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July 3, 2025 • 27 mins
Matt Cook and Buttsy kick off the episode by diving into the Roger Maltbie and Padraig Harrington incident at the U.S. Senior Open. They introduce the Swing Shift Golf Club, leading to a spirited debate on the differences between finding golf balls in competitive versus recreational play. Personal anecdotes and light-hearted conversations offer a glimpse into their golf experiences. Observations at the Swing Shift Golf Club are complemented by insights from Brent Grant. They discuss player reactions to pressure, indoor golf dynamics, and how to handle frustration and equipment damage on the course. The episode concludes with closing remarks and a look at future plans. ***Please Excuse Our Technical Difficulties During This Recording***
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(00:00):
Roger Maltbie and Padraig Harrington got intoit at the U.S.

(00:04):
Senior Open where Padraig Harrington was alittle bit upset.
And by a little bit, I mean a lot with RogerMaltbie and the entire fact that Roger Maltbie
did not help him while he was out there as anon-course analyst for the TV network.
He did not help Padraig look for his golf ball,which
was deep in the yonder.

(00:24):
Ignoring the aid of a player in need.
On top of that, no offense to PadraigHarrington, but he is very, very foreign and
not a young man anymore.
So listening to a pissed off older Irish guy,things got out of hand quickly.
And I don't think there was any room forPadraig to hear for a second what was wrong in
Maltbie's world.

(00:45):
He did not help me look for my golf ball.
The other team's player came over and washelping me, and he stayed completely away.
So I ended up throwing him in a pricker bush.
Well, that's real.
That's a real story.
Hopefully, he
won't make that mistake again.

(01:06):
Welcome back, everybody, to Pull Hook Golf thepodcast.
I'm your host, Matt Cook.
We've got our cohost, Buttsy, here with me.
And as you can see, hopefully, we are here atSwing Shift Golf Club in Paradise Valley,
Arizona for the Tuesday night golf league.
Yeah.
And I tell you what, we've got some sticks inhere.

(01:26):
We got some grass league players.
We've got some former pros.
What was that?
Bottle cap to the old guy Colano here.
Thought you just threw an AirPod.
I was like My god.
That was aggressive.
Don't forget about Brent and Gay Rant overthere.
Brent Grant's over there.
Say hi to the camera, Brent.
Fantastic stuff out of you.

(01:46):
We're gonna be getting to Brent a little bitlater tonight.
But, Buttsy, first off, let's start off with alittle bit of controversy that does not happen
at an indoor golf center, and that is helpingyour playing companions look for their golf
ball if it goes into the wild.
Yeah.
So we went over this briefly.

(02:09):
Are we gonna preface it with what happened withPaddy and Maltby first?
You wanna do that?
I like that better.
Yeah.
It was just kinda like, alright.
Why why are you talking about Why are you
getting into this?
So recently, folks, if you have been payingattention or maybe you haven't been, Roger
Maltbie and Padraig Harrington got into it atthe U.S.
Senior Open where Padraig Harrington was alittle bit upset.

(02:30):
And by a little bit, I mean a lot, with RogerMaltbie and the entire fact that Roger Maltbie
did not help him while he was out there as anon-course analyst for the TV network.
He did not help Padraig look for his golf ball,which was deep in the yonder.
Maltbie, on the defensive, says that hisproducer was in his ear saying, hey.

(02:54):
You're on standby.
We're gonna cut to you in just a moment to talkabout what's going on with Padraig.
So he did not feel as though he could go lookfor Padraig's golf ball at that time.
Yeah.
And he was clearly overwhelmed by what wasgoing on behind the scenes and in his ear, and
I think that's a reasonable excuse.
Yeah.
I mean, it's an excuse, but I just don't seeRoger Maltbie blatantly ignoring the aid of a

(03:21):
player in need.
And on top of that, no offense to PadraigHarrington, but he is very, very foreign and
not a young man anymore.
So listening to a pissed-off older Irish guy,things got out of hand quickly, and I don't
think there was any room for Patty to hear fora second what was wrong in Maltbie's world.

(03:42):
Yeah.
I think he was just wronged, and you could tellby the altercation there was no coming back
from that.
He was not trying to understand what Roger hadto say.
He was just disgusted.
Yeah.
Exactly.
So I agree with you on that.
Now granted, most, like, on-course analystsoutside of the senior golf circuit do help

(04:03):
players look for golf balls.
And Maltbie even said in the argument, he goes,hey.
I've looked for hundreds of players' golf ballsout there throughout the years.
He's like, literally, a producer was in my ear,told me to stay on standby, so I have to I
gotta do my job.
Yeah.
And I can understand that.
You know?
Well, yeah.
It's again, like, these guys aren't 25 either.

(04:25):
Like, these are old dudes.
The ability to multitask, especially with anearpiece on, and then you're covered in audio
video shit.
I don't know.
I just I don't think Maltbie was concerned withwhere Patty's ball was or was even paying
attention to that whole situation, and Pattydidn't realize that.
Yeah.
Now we gotta take the segue right over to ifyou're in a competition

(04:49):
Yes.
You're playing in a competition, your playingopponent has just hit it into the crap.
Uh-huh.
Are you going over there and helping them lookfor it?
Yeah.
So it's like we were saying.
I think so.
I think it's a common courtesy, especially if aguy's having a rough day.
It's not the first time he's hit it.
Yeah.
But like I said earlier, to a degree.

(05:12):
I mean, if I know where my shot is and it's notfar from where I'm at, it's not gonna affect
what I have to do on the golf
course, then he's got my
undivided attention, and I'll help him look forit the entire five minutes till the rules are
up, and he has to do whatever he has to do, goback or drop one.
He might get half the time, though, if I got aquarter mile to my ball still, and I need to
figure out what's going on and focus on whatI'm doing.

(05:34):
So I don't know.
Or like you said earlier, if this guy's hittingthe shit all day and somehow miraculously found
it well off the map and had shots, that mightbe grounds to go and investigate.
Yeah.
More than anything.
Not help, but investigate.
I mean, in a tournament, I feel like you gottado your common courtesy, a little bit of

(05:56):
etiquette, go over, do like, help them lookaround the area.
Right?
Yeah.
Like, here in Arizona, we've got a lot ofdesert.
There's rattlesnakes out here.
There's a lot of danger out there in theyonder.
So let's talk about recreationally because weboth agree from a competitive standpoint, you
go help them.

(06:17):
Yeah.
Do what you can with that, but recreationally.
We're out there playing golf.
How hard are you helping a fellow playingpartner look for their golf ball in the desert?
It depends on how well I know the guy.
If it's like you or if it's a friend orsomebody that I give a shit about, I'm I'm

(06:37):
feeling for you.
And like you said,
I'm feeling for you.
It's a
Been there.
But are you going and actually searching?
Are you going in there?
And digging around?
Gonna lie.
I'm kinda lazy when it comes to this.
I'll at least drive over and kinda get out ofthe cart and just kinda, you know, touch my
foot to the dirt.

(06:58):
I don't
blame you whatsoever.
I would have a quick scan, but I have had a lotof help looking for golf balls, and it's always
somebody else that finds it and not me.
So I should probably start returning the favor.
I have in my older age, especially because ofthe desert, and normally, we're playing out
there in the heat.

(07:18):
Yeah.
I do not help anybody look for their golf ballsanymore in our playing groups.
Like, you'll notice.
I'll, like, I'll go to the edges, and I'llkinda, like, look in
brief survey.
to see.
But, like, if you're 30 yards in, I'm notrisking getting bit by a rattlesnake.
You know?
I would be honest.

(07:39):
I do this when I'm playing with peeps.
Scratch that bullshit if I care about you.
That might happen, like, one in 10.
Nine times out of 10, I'm pretending to lookfor your ball.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And this goes back to a story.
Piece of shit.
I don't know.
This goes back to a story that I shared on thepodcast previously.

(08:02):
But if you're a new listener, this is a newstory for you.
I, in college, my college teammate, we wereplaying together
Yeah.
in a competition or in a tournament, collegiatetournament.
And sure enough, he did not help me look for mygolf ball.
The other team's player came over and washelping me, and he stayed completely away.

(08:23):
And it wasn't like he was, like, his ball wassuper far away.
He just had nothing to do with helping mewhatsoever.
Didn't give a shit about
you.
Didn't give a shit about me at all, so I endedup going and hitting him in the face and
throwing him in a pricker bush.
Oh, that's real.
That's a real story.
I was gonna say that led to a suspension in myfreshman year of college, and I was out for a

(08:50):
couple of weeks from playing in tournaments.
I mean, dude, you're on a team.
Yeah?
Buddy, I need like, we're playing for the sameend goal here.
Need some help.
Yeah.
In that case, yeah.
Did he realize that he had messed up?
When he walked back when the when we went, meand the other what was great is the other guy

(09:12):
in the group, we finish out the rest of theround without him.
So we just left him.
The woods, the round, we're signing our cardsin the bush.
After the round, our coach comes up and islike, hey.
What happened to I'm not gonna say his name.
No need.
No need.
Because, I don't know, somebody could go backand find this.

(09:34):
But that being said, coach is just, like,miffed.
He's like, where is he?
And then the other kid would not rat me out atall.
Like, stand-up dude.
I should have become buddies with this guy.
But he's just like, yeah.
Don't know.
He just disappeared on a hole, and, yeah, he'sgone.
And so I'm just kinda like, yeah.

(09:54):
He's gone.
Don't know what happened.
So literally, we finish up the round.
Everything goes.
He ends up walking in with, like, a rippedshirt, a black eye, like, a half an hour later.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Not good.
Well, he did not hopefully,
he won't make that mistake again.
He helped anybody look for the golf ball afterthat day forward.

(10:15):
I've heard from deep in Pennsylvania, which iswhere he lives now, that he helps people look
for golf balls all the time.
He looks for balls that aren't
lost.
Exactly.
He just just in case.
Yep.
So now, later,
in life, I'm kinda like he was back in the day.
I'm like, but at least I go over and I do thecourtesy of, like, looking on the edges, trying

(10:38):
to help without, like, getting in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It really is just showing face.
Interesting.
I mean, yeah.
I think it's the right thing to do.
If you blatantly just don't, it's a it's atough look.
Yeah.
You're a bad person at that point.
I'm sorry.
You just don't wanna fan.
Why are you fanning it towards me?
No.
It's not fanning.

(10:59):
It's a fucking mic.
Let's go.
Buttsy had some Italian food tonight.
It wasn't it was a it was croutons.
Just croutons.
Italian croutons.
I made some diced up chicken, and I didn't haveany lettuce or Caesar dressing, but I had
croutons.
No canon.
So I threw that in there.
Made a little wrap.

(11:20):
Wow.
Surprised you can't yeah.
You can't smell.
All you're smelling is the crouton dust.
That's all I smell.
This is not a brink bread.
It smells like somebody has eaten a pepperonipizza and regurgitated it.
Oh, no.
Look at this little training aid, though.
I wish we had a camera on this guy becauseWasn't that what Brent Oh, no.
Now we've got a golf bag down.

(11:41):
Life boot?
These are the problems that happen in indoorgolf on a Tuesday night league.
Oh, no.
Gotta fix
the action.
Just leaked it out to the right.
Oh, no.
He's getting chirped.
I don't I don't
know these guys well enough to chirp them fromback here, but
I'm I'm neither.
I'm trying to be a little bit respectful sofar.

(12:03):
You do?
Yeah.
Go here.
We're gonna turn on your mic, Brent.
Are you?
You're activated.
We've been saying it.
Yes.
Go ahead, Brent.
Go ahead and share with us.
Brent's shirt has suffocated his hearing.
Here we go.

(12:24):
If he brought the camera over there, yep, we'dbe in business.
But that's okay.
That's okay.
What do we got, Brent?
We got a tight little draw coming in.
It's just overturned.
I know that really well in my own game.
Just looks like a little bit.
Great stuff.

(12:45):
Yeah.
Just take that over there with you.
Oh, yeah.
He's on.
The move, folks.
I might actually make it to that bathroombefore you.
That's fantastic.
Sitting on an anti-salute golf club.
Novel posting in there.
This valley.
So Brent's giving you guys an up-close andpersonal view of everybody in and quite TGL,

(13:06):
folks, but pretty close.
Here's Gabe, the owner of Swing Gift.
Pure sauce here about to hit this one.
He just looks confident over the golf ball.
Oh, Gabe rips it.
Oh.
Oh, that's a big old slinger.
We spoke it's just a hair right.
That went from the left rough to the rightrough.

(13:26):
That's the second cut there.
He loves it.
He loves it.
It's not even bad.
I would take that nine times out of 10.
That is 20 yards further.
It's got no tree trouble.
There's no rough in the indoor golf scene.
Does it account for that?
It does.
It does.
I've watched this guy since we've been here andjust robot fade it right down the middle.

(13:49):
He's a robo fader.
Love a good robo fader.
Do not pull this one.
I'll feel
terrible.
Not gonna happen.
Oh, wait.
Whoa.
I'm gonna drop.
Test of spiders.
Yeah.
He said, screw you.
I'm not a fade guy.
Get out there.
I'm an absolute ball player out here.
Oh, you wanna see

(14:10):
the other way?
Wow.
So long,
way, they're playing Winged Foot East Course.
Brent, this is unbelievable camera work here.
Which a.k.a., folks, if you are not aware, thatis Winged Foot.
Okay?
Great graphics out here.
What a setup they have here at Swing Shift.

(14:31):
And Brent's talking.
He's chirping.
Are we gonna get booted for music club?
You never know.
Just got a chance.
We're risking it all.
We're risking it
for the baby.
That's a bunch of tee shots in the baby.
That's probably that
guy had a great shot over there where Brent'sat.

(14:54):
Brent, what's his name?
Cool to see a hole out here.
Get his name, Brent.
Got some Brett?
Team United over here on the left.
Brent Powell.
Wow.
Fantastic.
I want us let's check this bunker shot out.
There we go.

(15:15):
Just a hair short.
Just a nut hair short over there.
Just a nut hair.
Oh, there's Winged Foot golf clubs.
They're beautiful, beautiful clubhouse.
You wanna know a little story about WingedFoot?
The graphics are really good.

(15:35):
They're so good.
So GS Pro is the software which is, in myopinion, the best software that's out there.
I think Brent's talking too.
I don't know.
Is Brent talking?
Yeah.
We might have to mute him again.
Oh.
Did that lip?
Oh my lord.

(15:57):
Hey.
We just muted Brent.
Brent's done.
Did we mute him?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're doing great.
My name, Jen.
That lip too?
Everything's going great.

(16:20):
Brent's pumped.
He's having a good time.
He's sweeping the camera around.
You'll be sick.
What's that?
If they hate fucking if they had sushi here.
Somebody is craving some sushi.
Yes.
Bad.
Mix that with this Italian crouton.
Yeah.
Here we go.

(16:40):
Big shot on the left.
Oh, man.
Good shot.
Good shot.
It's just a ball player.
Look at Brent, dude.
This is hilarious.
You're doing great.
You're doing great.
I'm doing great.
No.
You're doing great.

(17:01):
I don't know who's who's chirpable and who'sgonna be
like, shut up, you fat bastard.
Brent's being a great sport out here.
He is.
Brent, get out of the way.
People are playing under aliases out here.

(17:23):
Yeah.
No real names here.
Yeah.
It's a little sketchy sometimes.
Yeah.
No.
You're no.
Good.
You're okay.
He goes, sorry.
Shit.
What?
Shit.

(17:45):
Done screwed up.
Oh, no.
Do you
think that they are feeling the pressure?
You know, this certainly did add a littlesomething.
I was out getting a golf lesson today from goodold Trot Golfer.
Yeah.
And Trot, he did say he goes, do you know ifthe people actually want you there chirping

(18:07):
them?
And I'm like Yeah.
Nobody asked?
Well, Gabe wanted us to be here, but not theplayers.
You know what I mean?
Did they know this was coming?
I don't know.
It we gotta ask Gabe.
Just hours of observation.
So I've just been scanning the room since we'vebeen here.
And since we actually started talking about
Oh, hang on.
Course interview.

(18:29):
Alright.
You asked.
It's your your Alright.
Brought through Mopey.
Hang on, Mopey.
Alright.
Go ahead, Mopey.
When did your feet, when did your feet stopgrowing?
Back in the '60s.
I don't know either.

(18:51):
See, that's a really good question.
What?
Does anybody know?
No.
They continue to grow your entire life.
You're that and
your bullshit, dude.
That was definitely got big.
That was a year, I would think.
I think feet do too.
I could be wrong.
I don't think feet do.
Maybe wider from the I'm
just making a bullshit over here.

(19:12):
It's from the
it doesn't count.
Diabetes doesn't count.
Foot growth.
What's that?
There you go.
That's correct.
I
am
I wrong?
No.
No.
Not wrong at all.
Like, don't exist.
Forget
That's a good point.

(19:32):
If you live in San Diego Yeah.
We really do need a revamp of this golfindustry out here in Scotland.
Yes.
Yeah.
And the staff, the staff hate you.
Hate to see you walk in.
Yeah.
I love to see it.
Which I understand.

(19:53):
I mean no.
They did not.
No.
I'm just saying you guys can't shout.
I don't want I don't want oh, Sean?
Oh.
You guys knocked out.
So Gabe.

(20:13):
Gabe's great.
Gabe.
He's built an awesome community out here.
I was gonna ask him.
How do you great stuff, Brent, by the way.
Great.
No.
You are.
You're on.
You're on right now.
This is all new to us, folks.
We're gonna mute Brent again.
Just don't tell him he's muted.

(20:35):
Yeah.
I think that that is the key.
That's the key.
You just can't
You tell can see that he's muted.
He's
he's smarter than we thought.
He really is.
Oh, and he can hear us as we're talking.
Yeah.
We're the idiots.

(20:55):
We're the morons.
Really, don't tell him that he's muted.
That really took a turn.
That's fucking hilarious.
Tell him
to ask Gabe how you get involved with the
he keeps phoning at the phone when he couldliterally listen to us say it.

(21:16):
Unbelievable.
This is great.
What kind of money, what are the stakes here?
Yeah.
I do wonder.
That's what I wanna know.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I think we're adjusting some scorecards here.

(21:39):
I don't know.
We we we
aren't really sure about it all.
This might go down as Winged Foot.
The most winged podcast.
At the end.
Just keep on moving right to left.
Perfect.

(21:59):
It looks
like he's strangling a helpless robot.
It really does.
That forearm is.
This is yeah.
Hence, his arms locked down.
Please let go of me.
Please stop.
Jeez.
Why don't you let my legs touch the ground?

(22:21):
It's like he's murdering a rubber chicken.
He's a hell of a cheerleader, though.
You see him throwing his hands?
He was excited for that man.
Yeah.
He doesn't even know that man.
He was excited for him.
That's great.
Know that man.
What a place this is, we need to know thestakes here.
It just runs up.
What are the

(22:42):
stakes, boys?
What are we playing for?
How much?
I'll unmute you.
Hang on.
Does he know that you're gonna unmute him?
I think he might find out.
Well, with Danny and Sean, we got $100, twodown.

(23:03):
We won 200, probably two down.
Oh, we got some real action.
Real action.
See, what people don't realize is that indoorgolf has taken off.
Biggest loss to date on a Tuesday.

(23:25):
No.
What is the biggest loss?
To date on a Tuesday?
Anybody walked out of here, anybody broken aclub yet indoors?
Oh.
Oh.
Oh.
Joel?
Wow.
Who's Joel?
Joel.

(23:52):
Mike, yeah.
Give me two shots.
Give me two shots.
Eight.
Oh, that's great.
We...
That's true.
That's true.
You hear Well,
then we're gonna get that question answered.
Nobody's gonna admit to it.

(24:12):
No.
Nobody.
Nobody.
Yeah.
I think a grand probably has exchanged hands inhere.
Somebody's definitely lost
a thousand in here.
Certainly.
You wanna go two downs at
200?
And then you're on tilt?
Yeah.
So you press.

(24:32):
Oh, man.
One down on the two down.
Now this...
yeah.
Somebody's definitely lost over a thousand.
I do love auto two downs.
What are your thoughts on breaking clubsplaying simulator golf, let alone real golf?
Never done it.
I've seen it.
You have?
I've seen it.

(24:53):
Seen the level
of frustration.
No.
Probably, like, a year ago.
I won't say his name.
If he's watching this, he knows who he is.
He's probably not even embarrassed.
Not you.
Yeah.
Has Brent broken a club?
I haven't seen Brent break clubs.
I haven't seen you break a club.

(25:16):
Okay.
That's fair.
If I told you that it's true that he wearsmetal spikes on tour, you would believe that he
breaks clubs.
Yeah.
For sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he does wear metal spikes on tour.
Yes.
Yes.
He's still that guy that goes clanking into theclubhouse.
Yes.
Me.
I am him.
Oh, a little buttercream cooter.

(25:37):
Oh.
Just outside the circle of trust.
I, for a second, thought these guys on the sameteam had the same shirts.
Oh, like team T-shirts?
When are we
going to get to the point to where indoor golfhas T-shirts for the teams?
Like bowling.
I think they have it.

(25:58):
It's called
TGL.
Good old TGL.
That don't count.
That's not regular.
The common man can't go do that, though.
No.
Cannot.
Did get any commentary here?
Is there anybody watching this?
I don't think so.
It's okay.
I think the livestream did not, like, thequality of the stream didn't come through

(26:20):
great.
Some people just, like, irritated.
Yeah.
A little bit.
Just, hey.
Alright.
I'm out.
But we can turn this into an episodeafterwards, which is great.
There's plenty of audio.
Plenty of audio.
Plenty of good stuff in here.
What time is it?

(26:41):
Not even eight yet?
I don't know what Matt's doing here.
No.
We got a VIN number.
Bronco.
I like the Bronco, by the way.
Isn't that sick?
Sick.
Yeah.
I bought it for the wife.
She love it?
She loves it.
She's a happy girl right now.

(27:02):
Just probably out driving right now just forthe hell of it?
Yeah.
2025 Ford Bronco.
She loves it.
The new car effect.
Yeah.
You know, I think I'll
think I'll head over to the store.
You already went.
Yeah.
I forgot something, though.
You know what?
She did say that last night.
She goes, you know, I kinda just wanna runerrands and, like, go to the grocery store.
I need a reason to go drive this thing.

(27:23):
That's awesome.
Yeah.
That's great.
Well, alright.
I think we should call this?
Yeah.
Let's call it.
I kinda wanna go see what's going on and talkto some of
the boys here.
Let's do it.
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