Rap Radar: Conway The Machine

Conway The Machine lives up to his name. A year after cranking out two releases, the Buffalo native dropped another: Won't He Do It. With a tour in full swing and callabo album with 38 Spesh on the way, The Machine isn't showing any signs of slowing down. In his first solo Rap Radar interview, Conway talks about his new album, relationship with JayZ and Kanye West, family losses, reconciling with Westside Gunn and more! #ConwayTheMachine, #Conway #JayZ #KanyeWest #WestsideGunn #GriseldaSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, wrap it up podcast, Li Wilson, what's up?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Talk to him? Talk to him. Season two is going
pretty nicely. No man looking on the up and up. Man,
I can't complain.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Was you just woman? Man?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Ari Melburgh talking about the Tyler I missed that.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, you missed that. The cameras man, what got this shot?
The PJ didn't have an MSNBC.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Shout to Ari Melburgh. I returned on his show The
Beat and you know, talked about all things rap Radar
and a couple of current event topics.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I get some clips out there, man, I ain't see
no clips yet.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's coming up. It's coming up. But he liked the
taler joint. Yeah, he really enjoyed the taler Uh create
a conversation and he was, uh, he was really impressed
by it. And the fact that he says that, you know,
you get all the guys that we want on the
beat list talent the beat, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
You gotta get them down with that Rap Raidar podcast.
But a shout out to Ari for sure. He always
a big supporter.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
You think you think we said the bar to high
with that talent thing? Is the whole season going to
be us having to live up to the hype of Taler, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
I think we're doing pretty all right. Man. This guy
is doing his he's doing his own numbers as well.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Man, Conway man his first time Grizelda Conway himself. Yeah,
that's not not with his brothers BA. This is his
first solo episode, and I think he I think he
hit it off pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Won't he do it? Do it?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's funny. After we had a conversation, he fucking broke
his leg. That's his body fell apart. Man, it's a
six million dollars man, he's working too odd out here, Conway, damn. Yeah,
but he seems like he's recovering now. I seen him
runing around with gun. He looks like he got a
he's recuperating, man.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Absolutely, And of course the show must go on because
you know, I think initially he canceled the tour dates,
but he put the tour dates back up, so I
pushed it back a little bit, right, So he's gonna,
you know, hit the road. It looks like maybe this fall,
I believe, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
So and Knway wants to make sure and his albums
down in that end of the year conversation, man, do it.
It's a tough year, man, competitive right now with these
rap albums. I think so, man, But you know, Conway
got a chance. You know, we'll see in December. And
you know every time we get with the Grizzla, any
any any frashion of the Grisel.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
This magic.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
So you know, you should you should expect no less though.
Absolutely he gave a really good conversation talk about things
that he's never heard or talked about in the previous conversations,
about Kanye West and his relationship with Westside Gun and
a whole bunch of other things.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
A lot of clarity, moment of clarity, a lot of
clarity in this in this episode, for sure, you know
what I'm saying. So he had the hoigh Street continues, Man,
we got one of the hottest podcasts and movements right now.
You got to understand, you got to stand we're not
playing the season two is special, yes, sir. That for like,
the whole first season we did was like kind of
a trial run, and like like this season is like
the real deal.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Holy feel that was our demo.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I feel like, you know, I feel like the intention
is started to get a little more different.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
So you know, consistency, man, that's all we need. And
here we are.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Here we are, man, We're gonna stay consistent. We're gonna
stay give me these quality conversations.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
You know we always made magic with these guys.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
One of the big forces from the Grisel the movement,
the man himself with the machina Machina like Makina like makina.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, I need my Rosetta Stone.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
And he got that drum Wark compilation coming to you know,
he's got his own woman going on to salute the
drum work.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah. All he had all the drum work gooons with
those Buffalo guys, they don't run, they don't run by themselves.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Man, we had a full studio, man, everybody for Buffalo.
Shout out to the stylists too. I forget the young
lady's name, but she's dope, but she always Yeah you
see how that cover like, I feel like Conways on
some Ashley the classy.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Type to cover the album. Yeah, I saw it. You
know he's getting a couple of dollars out here.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, man, we're getting dollars. Two were getting conversation for
our conversations.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Beat us.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Let's get into it, man, Yes, Sir Conway, and to
rap rate all podcasts. Yeah, you have to rap rate
all podcasts. My name is beat out, Elliott Wilson, Ellie.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
How you feeling.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'm feeling good Man, seeing this man Man successful.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
This guy Conway, the machine.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
The machine is economist today mainally a solo Conway episode podcasts.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Man, thank y'all Man first and for most Man, I've
been waiting to get my soul, my shine for real,
good looking man.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
I appreciate it well deserved me.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Got the new project out, won't he do it? Ah?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah, yeah, sir, you know what man, I had to
had to show improve man.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
You know, don't marginalize me.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Don't marginalize me till I'm out of my moment, you
know what I Man.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
It feels like the moment keeps coming back because it's
not like you took any time off.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, this shit, don't stop.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
This ship don't stop, man, because you know, I think
one of the things that I think people just gloss
over about Griselda's uh our work ethic. You know what
I'm saying, We hire workers, we sleep in the studio.
You know what I'm saying. This ship don't stop. You
know what I mean, I think that's probably uh one

(04:50):
of the one of the one of the benefits of
you know, having an age, you know what I mean,
being older and having that that journey, you know what
I'm saying, to get get to this point before we
actually popped and took off, we were able to understand
like how important it is to have a great work ethic,
you know.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
What I'm saying. And it's like that for me, Wes
and Bennie, like you know, we cooking in our sleep.
You feel me, you.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Say, like who else could give me six projects like
you like to run your arm right now?

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Yeah? Man, it's you know, I mean, it speaks for itself,
you know what I mean. The work.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
I'm just I'm just thankful man, first and foremost man,
because you know I ain't I ain't even supposed to
be sitting right here, you know what I'm saying. Like,
you know, niggas could have scored. Niggas could have you know,
shit could have went way different with what happened to
me and with me and just not even with that shooting.
I've been in our type of other like real life

(05:48):
street things where you know, I just feel feel blessed man,
even I feel like it's another chance to do something good.
That's why I do so much. I can give so
much back to the hood and you know with my
Conway Cares Charity and the Drum Work Fast and stuff

(06:08):
like that. Like I'm just you know, showing my gratitude
for even having another chance. Man, you know what I'm saying,
Won't he do it?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
That's what I'm saying. Like are you a man of faith?
Because on a cow you said you're not religious, right,
But I've noticed that this reoccurring theme throughout your projects.
You have, like this theme of God, you know, won't
he do it? God don't make mistakes? King to a God?
Like is that your intention?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Not?

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well with the.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Titles, it really came from a place of like it
was some shit I had said in the hospital, you
know what I'm saying. When I was, you know, on
my road to recovery and getting out of there, Like
right when I was about to get out of there,
I remember saying this shit like, you know, man, God
don't make mistakes.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Won't he do it? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (06:55):
And when I did the tapes, even back then, it
was all like a puzzle, you know what I'm saying,
that's how like methodical I.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
Am when I do my my art, Like it's all.
It's all.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
It was a sentence and I posted it on my
grandm the other day, like you know I was. I
was a reject, you know, I came from the bottom.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
I was a.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Reject to you know what I'm saying, reject to Look
what I became. God don't make mistakes. Man, won't he
do it? You know what I mean. It's just like
all of you know, it go into to one plot
that was the you know, really the uh the thinking
with with with the albums when I named him like that.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
But so you had the concepts where I had that
you were gonna go like yeah, Kanye used to say
he had that.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, I got already already.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
I'm painting the pictures is like a movie and you know,
different with different scenes and different different parts of it.
You know what I'm saying, By the grace of God,
our movie ain't in yet, you know what I mean.
It was for me, West and Benny, you know what
I'm saying. The boys doing a bunch of amazing things.
And know everybody is just like in their own right,

(08:03):
just man, you know, just just in their peace, you
know what I mean. I finally found mine.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
It seems like the show is about to hit the
road to won't we do? With tour is you'll probably
be somewhere tearing down near you. And early this year
was overseas though, right, what was that experience?

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Like absolute madness? Man, it was it was unreal. I
never really felt that type of energy, you know what
I mean before, like the fans out there. This is
my second time actually touring out there. This time just
felt a little craziest. I did like Athens and Italy.
Just I did about eight shows about eight different cities

(08:43):
and and it was just like, man, just unreal like energy.
They singing a word for word, they barely know the language,
you know what I mean. They buying a merch they got,
you know, stacks of vinyls, just tall and taking picture
and they just really appreciate, you know, real hip hop.

(09:04):
They just appreciate the culture, man. And it just reminds
you of you know what what you know, we built
we as in like every m C from the beginning,
since you know, this ship first started, man, like I
think every MC should really you know, if you've never
been overseas. Go over there, and they'll give you a
better perspective, like you know what, you what you contributed

(09:26):
to because they value that ship and they appreciate that
shit differently over there, you know what I mean, they
don't take it for granted. Like it's just man, it's unreal.
I just man, I could talk about it for days
and days.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Being you in London though, right, I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
I'm not sure, you know what I mean. I think
I might have just scared myself out of going you
know what I mean, Like, man, you legal legal now,
it's clean.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Businessman, No, but also the ripped though the Paris in
our lifestyle man, drip game He'll be camp with Yeah,
man's like that like that man, I mean I'm a
handsome guy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
But yeah, nah, man, I just like with this whole,
with this album and just.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Really everything that I've been doing over that well since
God Don't Make Mistakes came out kind of just been
you know, uh, focused on.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
The level, like and just reinvent myself and just and
just grow exactly and just.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Growing uh as an artist and as a man. You
know what I'm saying. And you know shout out to Janie.
You know, she she stepped in and really, you know,
helped pipe this ship up crazy, you know what I'm saying,
having me at you know, runways in Paris, and you know,
you know, having that ship on, and you know, she
designed to cover the whole creative.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Director exactly, my creative director. So I just let her.
I just like, look, I'm I like what Junique likes.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
I like, you know what I'm saying exactly exactly, so
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
That's how I really, you know, piped up.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
But the main focus was just the level of like,
you know, I feel like I already made my stamp
with you know, with that with that sound that people
love me and us for as in Griselda, like I
already made my stamp like since reject too. I mean
we got about ten hitlers. We got you know what

(11:28):
I'm saying, all the Tanner talks, all the you know,
the big ghost ships, all the I mean, the Alchemist,
I mean one more got approve.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
You'll know.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
I'm the motherfuckering nigga that made this shit attractive again.
Y'all niggas eating lunchable, eating the kids snacks and ship.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
And the projects.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
You know what I'm saying, a lot of these niggas
that's getting to prayer, y'all. Niggas be putting on y'all
listens and ship. Now the niggas eating lunchibles before Griselda,
they was eating lunchables bro right, all shots them.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Niggas is the niggas is niggas.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
An niggas was invisible man me west Man, then we
came through.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
He made this ship look good again. Man, because you.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Were saying like you felt like you was like everybody's
jocketed sound the out side. You kind of wanted to
go away from there, but this album you went back
to the essence but then still expanded the sound.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
First, Yeah, because I was bored m Just like I said, Man,
I feel like I already made my stant with that lane,
you know what I'm saying. And and again you know
i'd be joking around and just you know, fucking with
niggas when I be talking shit like that. Man, it
is what it is, because I understand like we all
was inspired by signing.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
And if you ain't inspiring this, then who who are you?

Speaker 4 (12:40):
And what what's should what's your value? You know what
I'm saying like I was inspired by you know, Whu
Tang clan. You feel me Ray and ghosts and them
niggas like I wanted to ship. I was rapping on
them niggas type beats and going in they niggas. They
lane dressing like method man and them niggas. And you
know what I'm saying, like, yo, I'm gonna take because

(13:01):
I had braids and ship back then, like I was
wearing half my hair unbraided, half of it.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
With some method man shape.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
My you know what I'm saying, my helly Hanson jacket
inside out.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
I had one leg up niggas, some wallabes, two toned
ship like that, Like you know, we always inspired, so
I don't it's kind of unfair to be like, oh man,
you niggas took our ship and ran with it like
we I look at it like a plus for I
was like, man, we really, man, it's impact, man, we
really people really love what we bring to the point

(13:33):
of where like on some like Steph Curry ship, like
he didn't invent the three point shot, but he made
that shit attractive again.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
And now everybody, you know.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
At every level of basketballs chucking threes from the logo.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
You know what I'm saying, but always talk about the
context of it.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
I thought it was cool at quarters, like you wear
clips of like combat jacket niggas that was say earlier
about you guys, Like why was it important to include that.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
For the song?

Speaker 4 (13:58):
Because I wanted you know, these is the the type
of people who opinions and stuff that matter to me,
you know what I'm saying. Like you know, sometimes I
see comments and I see you know, you know, you know.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
You get hecklers. Shit, even Lebron James get hecklers, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
So you get people you know, Oh man, it ain't
you know this album we that this that like, you know,
I really don't care when nobody think. But certain people
who understand me, like you know, I joke around and
tell the home He's like, man, these niggas ain't so
cracking the nineties. They ain't gonna My music ain't for them,
you know what I'm saying, Like, they ain't gonna relate

(14:36):
to me. But somebody like you know, Clark Kent. You
know what I'm saying, And this is early Griselda, you
know what I mean. We first was coming through, Like
Clark Kent was one of the first people that was
really like, Yo, these dudes.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Out of Buffalo is crazy.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
You know what I'm saying, Combat Jack Rep, my man
rag A King Resting, you know what I mean, Like
World recipes like they was definitely very instrumental in that too,
my man Carlos classic material.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
There's several other people.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
You know what I mean, recipes ho Vein, you know
what I'm saying, Recipes my brother Hovein. Man, there's a
lot of people. It's like people like that O payon
matter like it means more than me. If Ray Kwan
told me, you know what I mean, like he told me, like, Yo,
nah nigga, I'm passing.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
That to Y'ALLT them niggas. Y'allt them niggas.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Then a comment on a Gram from a fake page
with two posts like I ain't tripping all that shit right,
So it was important to highlight that and just to
get them boys they flowers. It was my way of
giving them they flowers too. Clark Can't and my man
redg Like you know, it was the first two that
made me feel and as well as you know y'all

(15:47):
like I remember being that wave. I remember vividly being
I think we got to show it like s OB's
or something, and he was there. I met you, I
met you for the first time and that.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Was twenty fifty and some shit like that.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
So like, you know, it's people, that's the opinions and
shit that matter to me, you know what I'm saying.
So I just wanted to give flowers to them two dudes,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
But you definitely wrestle with credit, right Like even on
brick Fair you talk about like how you hate you
don't get credit for being the god or you. But
then on the last project, on so much More, you
talk about how you hope you never get the credit.
So it's like, do you feel like you struggle with
that duality?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
I do. I do, because it's really, you know, both
sides of the coin. For me, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
It's like, you know, I deserve, but that ain't for
me to dictate. That's for the fan, that's for the
you know, the people like y'all are determined that you know.
I look at it like a nigga, like like like
you know, Shaq was upset he didn't get an MVP
and dirkman Whiskey got or Steve Nash got it, you know,

(16:52):
I mean, like, of course gonna be upset. But it's
like that don't mean I don't love the league or
I don't love Steve Nash, or I don't love you know,
the voter or you know that that that you know
I'm not I'm not taking it that person of the
where I'm ready to like just then fucking I can't
win it for a little, I retire, I'm done.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Like it ain't that.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
But of course, because you work so hard at your craft,
like I, you know, I strive.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
To be the best, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
So like if I'm not mentioned up there, like I
feel like, damn, what I did wrong? Or what could
I have done to get that? Or what should what
can I be doing to make sure I get that
next time? Ship like that, like you know what I mean.
So I just look at it from a sports point
of view. And then on the second, on the other hand,
like you said, like I feel like, you know, if

(17:38):
I'm already at that that that pinnacle, I'm already at
that place, like all right, just the best you the
best man is it.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
It's like what a nigga got to strive for? You
feel me?

Speaker 4 (17:48):
So it's like, you know, I be needing little challenges
and ship and it's almost like I don't know if
y'all seen the last dance jaring shit.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Sometimes I just I just.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Make narratives and the challenges and shit in my head
and just to make me go crazier in the booth,
like they.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
All have that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's best like you all have that gun, Benny, you like,
what do you think that is? Like you all have
that kind of like that complainion.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
And we just want to be the best, you know
what I'm saying. And to me, I feel like nothing
wrong with that. No matter who the artists or whatever,
you should want to be the best. You know what
I'm saying. I don't care if I had a Burger
joint on the corner. I want people to be like
Yo's Conway spot that got the best bird in New
York City. Crazy, you know what I'm saying. It's just
it's just me like how I always been. I wanted
to be the best dressed in school. I wanted to

(18:38):
be on on the road. I want the highest average.
I wanted to I just wanted to be the best.
I wanted to win the talent shows. I wanted to win.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
That's why I won every battle I've ever been in
and all.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
That type stuff. It's like, I just want to win.
I want to be the I don't want to just win.
I want to be the best.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
You know what I'm saying. I really want that.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Because a kid, did you have that?

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Always?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
As a kid everything, I just was a young knucklehead
that just was easily distracted and you know, with temptations
in the hood and shit, and you know, and then
not just being so young and not really recognizing my greatness,
like without my potential.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
You know what I mean. That's why I'm thankful for
some of.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
The OG's in the hood that I had, you know
what I'm saying that kind of like yo, bro, you know,
show me and assure me, like man, you you bro,
you got something here, bro, if you really you know,
get in your bag, like shot out my bro spoons.
You know, I'm always getting my bro spoons his flowers
in the hood because you know, he.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Was, you know, in the streets doing his thing.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
But he'll take his street money and shit and go
be buying like studio equipment and shit, and didn't know
nothing about recording or how to play an instrument or
make a beat or anything.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
And really like went.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
To school and classes and bought all that stuff just
for me, like for us the homies in the hood.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
That was, you know, getting busy.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
He didn't have to do that, but he was just
showing us, like, yo, bro y'all, it's a lot of y'all,
can man take it there?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
You feel me?

Speaker 4 (20:07):
So it always been in me like that, man, Like
I just I just I just want to be the
best dog. I just want to be talked about it
that in that laying in that bracket because I feel
like I put enough for the work in. Man, I
feel like I'm a hard worker. I'm serious about my craft,
and I'm nice, Like I feel like I'm nicer than niggas.

(20:28):
There's so many people out there, dog that can fuck
with me. I was just joking with whole, like sending
them some ship, like niggas can't fuck with me besides you.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
The second text, I was like, nah, man, don't leave me.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
But I'm just like that, just my spirit man, fuck that.
I don't want to be that nigga. I want to
be that top dog man.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
You talk about jay Z on Monogram, one of the
highlights on the album, and there's a part I Liverpally.
You say, like you ask he asked you about Drum
Drum Work Fest, And yeah, I asked you do you
own it?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Did you do you understand what he meant by that question? Initially?

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah? I did.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
I definitely did, like and you know, I appreciate that
that It just honestly, it really just showed me like
why he is what he is and he you know,
like at the level he ad because that's really how
you need to be thinking when you starting something and
doing something and creating something.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
No matter what it.

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Is, you should you should own it or at least
the biggest piece of it type, you know what I'm saying.
So the fact that the first thing that was the
first question, like, yo, man, I'm trying to you know,
I got this, I'm about to do year two.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
You know what I'm saying. You own it? You know
what I'm saying. It's kind of you know what was
your response?

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yes, yes, I'm making quiet noise out here, man, but
it's got to bug you out because you guys are
build a solid connection now, like a solid friendship. Remember
that first clip of when you did the show in
LA and you had an emotional moment and you could
to see you know, you guys connected, and now you've
built this swing a port.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
With him man whole.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's you know, I just appreciate
good people, you know what I'm saying. And you know
what I man, I just try to get people. They
flowers and they respect and acknowledge them for being great,
a great person, you know what I'm saying. And I
mean I have no no business with Hoole like we

(22:32):
ain't got no nothing. There's no incentive for the love
he been showing me, you know what I'm saying. That
just tell me a lot. And you know, I just
I just fuck with Bro like you know, you know
I got love for Bro.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Another person from that camp too. You get flowers to
is uh Kanye West on the app? Right, you even
have a song dedicated to Kanye. Why did you do that?

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Same reason?

Speaker 4 (22:55):
You know, just acknowledging you know what I'm saying, Like,
you know, there's no it was no incenter for the
love the type of love. Them dudes showed me, Bro,
I'm just one of them type of dudes. Man, We're like,
you know, my brothers is all in here. They'll tell you,
like the type of person I am, Dog, I try
to reciprocate the love as much as possible. And I

(23:17):
don't like asking for favors and shit like that. We
don't talk every day and shit like that. But I
just want to make it clear, you know what I
mean to to the to the world, to everybody whoever listening, Like,
that's my man, straight up.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
What was it like going from backing up work to
the college dropout to recording at his wrench? Was that
experience like.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Dream come true? The dream come true?

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Man?

Speaker 3 (23:42):
And you know, just no, damn man, won't he do it.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Like life?

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Sometimes it's funny like that. Man, You go full circle. Man,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
You go from like I said, like bagging up in
the spot to listening to college drop out to you know,
working on music and ship at his house.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
It's like, you know, God is God is the greatest man.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
What's he like in person? I never I don't think
I've met Kanye, but like, what are the conversations like
with him, h.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Man, it's a good dude. He's very uh outspoken.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
You know what I say.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Like now what you see in the media ain't ship
right like Nigga in the room. He he you know,
he just he got so much idea. I've never seen
nobody with this many like ideas and ship.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
And it ain't like it's not influenced by nothing, no
drugs and none of that.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Ship. It's like he just be silk ya.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Well yo, we should just be like he just real
real with those ideas he just gifted, man, and you
get a lot of jewels and ship just kicking it
and being around around yeah, and just watching him create.
It's just like it's a real treat. Like, damn dog,
this dude is a genius for me, a genius man.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Like I'm gonna tell you, like I'm gonna be honest,
like I don't know if he want me to.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I mean, it ain't no no big deal.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
So I was at the ranch one time and I
was playing him, God don't make mistakes. Before I had
dropped it, before it came out of shit. I was
just like the records I collected for it and the
record Stress came on.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
You know what I'm saying. You know that third verse
I talk about how you know how how I was.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
On that bottle. You know what I mean, I was
drinking mark, you know, shipping. I'm getting nice, you know what,
I man A day and ship and how to you know,
I'm just giving my perspective of what I'm dealing with
with that.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
And he heard that ship and he didn't say nothing.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
You know, he just got up and walked out the rule.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Feeling that ship, you know what I man, Nigga came
back and gave me like an autographed alcohol anonymous book.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yeah read that. I love that record.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
That shit I felt that da you know what I man.
And we had a whole different conversation that I don't
want to share. But it's just stuff like that and
just be like, bro, we ain't have to you know
what I mean. Like, I'm just different, man, I guess
cause I'm older, and you know, I never had nothing.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
You know what I'm saying, So to just to be
the guy to receive it's just you know, like, man,
why are you doing that.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
While you're showing me that love? Like while you have
me coming out here to be on an album.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
You know what I'm saying, I barely got you know
what I'm saying a hundred thousand followers like I ain't.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I ain't even I'm not. I ain't on a radio
or club or none of that. Like you saw that
in me.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
You know what I'm saying, right, and not just reciprocate
the love. You know what I mean to answer right
that question, it's.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
The gratitude exactly.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I'm big on that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Absolutely, I think about like those moments in your life
and going back to like God don't make mistakes. You
said that the story of your life got wild chapters right,
like would have been some of the most memorable.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
Ship like that, you know what I mean, going to
the ranch, you know, performing my Ship in front of
you know, at that time, was the biggest crowd at
the novel in LA and you know, breaking down on
and having that moment you know where I just broke
down thinking about Shanegun, you know, performing the car is
it always been a It was a tough record recording it.
I cry recording it, you know what I'm saying. At

(27:35):
Darren your house, I cry every time out there and
I perform it and having that moment and then looking
up and just meeting whole for the first time at
that moment, and shit is like, No, that's one another moment,
you know what I'm.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Saying, Uh, having that shit on in Paris and that's beautiful.
You know, that's another moment.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
What's she familiar with you? Maybe?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
I think she when she smoked that cologne I had,
she know I was somebody.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
It was that moment at the Rock Nation brunch we
met Beyonce.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Oh yeah, now Rihanna too, right, that was the one
that right there too. Yeah, that was that was That
was a moment right there. And I had that ship
on again. Yeah, that's dressed at the rock brunch.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
You know who would have thought?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Man, So you got so that we said you don't
put the drip on the grammar anymore because Castle tried to.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
I had to stop that ship, Elliott man, you know
what I man?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
That was why I was caught a few of these
rap niggas like yeah with the fire emojis, Yeah, you
got that ship on twin you know, I say these
niggas with the you know, with with the same ship
on another color or some of these niggas mold would
be the same color, sneaker everything.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Like damn, man, I am.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I'm just you know, I'm the guy from Buffalo wrapping
over saying drummless sample you want to I don't want
to bother.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Me, dressed like Conway whever thought you know, man, i'd
be taking pictures with Rihanna and them and having that
ship on.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Man.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I never was a bomb, you know, illustrious career in
the streets. I never I never looked chips that fact.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Man, this ain't no big ships.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, you get a real accurate depiction of Buffalo in
that documentary for Rick James. I was surprised to see
you there too when you saw that, of course I did.
I say, wait, that's Conway and he was talking about Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
And that was dope for me too, man, even because
you know, I'm so inspired by Rick James. You know,
Rick James is to me one of the like, you know,
the greatest you know musicians to ever live and create
these just an innovator, a trailblazer and icons and he's
from Buffalo, you know what I mean. So right, you

(30:12):
know what I'm saying, he reped it. You definitely repped
the bigtime. He buried and he got buried buried in
Buffalo and all that.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
It's a ghettle for real.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
So somebody said that that Buffalo is like the most
second most segregated city in America.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
It is. It is.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
It is like you know, everybody stay where they be,
you know what I mean, Like white people stay over there,
Black people stay over there, Spanish, different ethnicity, so on,
so forth. Like it's crazy that the racial dynamic and
everything is like it it's so profound in Buffalo. It's

(30:49):
just like you know, you'll be amazed, you know what
I man, You know, to be it to come from
Buffalo and no matter what it is you do and
you into if you may take it out of there. Man,
you know, that's applaudable in itself, you know what I mean.
I think that's why so many people from the city
is proud of us and how we made it and

(31:11):
did it, because you know, it's tough, man, you know
what I'm saying, just you know, a lack of support
the segregate, not the racist bullshit and all that shit, man,
you know, and it's it's difficult racism because you know,
they ain't about to just uh, you know, walk past
you and be like, get.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Out of my way, nigger. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
They gonna smiling if you think we was good. But
these you know, they're gonna get caught in a text
message or something with the racial slurs, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It's like, damn, I know you felt like that.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
It's like hidden racism but blatant, if that makes sense,
you know what I mean. And that's I feel like
that's kind of a little more difficult to deal with
because I'd rather motherfucker tell me he don't like me.
At least I know, I'm just stay away from that
nigga you feel me rather than you know, thinking that
you fuck with me and you and you really the

(32:06):
whole time think the worst of me, you know what
I mean. That's tough to deal with. And just you know,
being poor. We also like the second or third poorest
city in America, so you got God on top of that,
you know what I'm saying. And you know, it's tough
to create an environment in the streets. That's that's crazy,

(32:27):
like you know, with the streets ship.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
But you love the city though you gave back two
hundred thousand during COVID giving out backpacks and things like
that for the for the residents.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah, you know all that.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
The drummer Fest this year is dedicated and you know
we're doing it and paying homage and dedicating it to
the you know, the victims of the mass shooting at
the at the supermarket that happened last year. Some more
racist bullshit, That's what I'm saying. Like, you know, this
type of city where a white guy could just you know,

(33:00):
pull up to the only supermarket in the black, you know,
predominantly black neighborhood. It's the only supermarket in a around
in that area. You know what I'm saying, Uh it
full camouflage and body armor and just go in here
and just shoot a bunch of you know people, mothers
and grandmothers and fathers and shit. It just it devastated

(33:23):
the city, and you know, we still were still fucked
up about.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
It, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
So you know, the drum work Fest is just you know,
I'm just trying to just put a smile on faces
and just like you know, remote that black cloud and
that that stigma of like, yo, man, we can't make
it out.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Man. This shit is it's it's ugly is and now
you know what I mean, It's because it's a beautiful
city with beautiful people, right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
I just I just love the city and I just
always want to highlight it and represent it to the fullest.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Right, I'm proud to be from Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Right. You mentioned your homie Spoon, right, like how you
supp which you growing up and things like that. And
on the Kanye track you said like your dreams are
very lofty and now your friends didn't believe in you. Right,
So what were some of those dreams that you thought
that you wanted to aspire? What do those look like?
The shit I'm doing now? You know what I'm saying,
I ain't had the belief and the outpouring of support

(34:19):
that I got now early on coming up doing this shit.
You know, Like I said in the next line, like
even like some family or project the fears on you
in superstitions, that's profound.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
I feel like in the you know, in the hugs
and the you know, the black communities, like too often
we uh we talked somebody off a ledge with our
own fear of flying. You know what I'm saying, Just
because you don't think I can do it. Don't mean
I can't do it, you know what I'm saying. And

(34:54):
I've experienced that. I'm sure I'm not the only person
that's that experience that, and you know, had to just
keep you gotta just keep a pushing and just not care.
Nobody think. Man, give them something to talk about. They
even talked about Jesus.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
But you just want to sell cocaine, man, That's why.
That's why I just wanted to sell cocaine forever. Nobody
criticized me for that, except for you know, the nosy
old ladies and Moucker, Jimmy Walker, Jimmy Reese and them niggas,
Johnny Walker and Jimmy reesing them niggas. But outside of Griselda,
you mentioned like drum Work Fest, right, you got drum Works.

(35:32):
That's the actual label. Can't explain music there you go,
drum work music. Can you talk about that label and
the artist that you spearheaded on it.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, man, I'm just it's a drum work. When I
did that and.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Started that for me, like I was, you know saying earlier,
I was, you know, partly kidding around about it, but
it's true. I was getting bored, you know what I'm saying,
And I was just dealing with I was bored and
I was dealing with a lot of I don't know
word for I'm gonna just say, like just negative bullshiting mentally.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
And stuff, you know. And it just came from like.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
A lot of different dysfunctions you know, in among in
the inner circle that you know, I already kind of
got in trouble for speaking on talking about and ship
like you know what I mean, And it just put
me in a place of depression and just like solitude

(36:30):
where IUD is there when you want to be bothered.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
And I just wanted to shut down everything, you know.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
I don't know, I just I feel like I just
needed a new challenge. So I just you know, with
the drum Work label for me, I look at it
as just a new another challenge.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Now.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
That's why I got this new energy, is to prove
that you know, you know what I mean, this drum
Work ship can you know, can be can be a
giant in and this ship like a like a CMG,
like like a q see like you know, shit like that,
you know what I'm saying, Like like a Griselda, you know,
what I mean, like, and it's the challenge for me

(37:08):
to see if I can just take you know, Jay
Skis Goose by the way shots ask you know what
I mean, unique in them niggas like I want to take.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I want to you know, I'm proven of myself that
I can do it.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
So it's like it's just a challenge, you know what
I mean that Like I was saying earlier, like on
some jor and shit, like you know what I mean.
His challenge was to come back and three Pete again,
like can I do that shit again? And that's what
made him come back out of that first you know, retirement.
That was his challenge, you know, Phil Jackson challenged him.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
That's my challenge. That's what kind of made me come back.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
And you know, because I already had the obligation to
drop the God Don't Make Mistakes the Shady album. But
had it not been for that, it would have been
a longer hiatus between my last album and this album.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Because I was in a fucked up space. Man.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
I was in the after came to a guard and
you know that was around when I'm you know that
whole Ellen Lenovo and I'm working with Yay I'm working
with Diddy. I'm man, I'm having a you know, enjoying myself.
That's kind of when Ship kind of start going, start
spiraling downhill, and you know, I just realized that, you know,

(38:23):
I got some healing to do and some finding myself
to do, and you know, I'm finally getting there now
and getting to a place of peace and ship. A
lot of that is working with you know, having these
boys around. Man, they inspire you know that new wave,
like watching Skis you know, cook up, you know album

(38:44):
at the album so quick and spit like how he's
spitting and and doing what they doing, and you know
how these boys just you know look up to me
and count count on me to like, you know, man, bro,
now you that dude, you t.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Like, get out of that page. Bro, you gotta get out.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
That's why I'm even here doing these interviews and ship.
I hate interviews. I hate shoot videos. I hate all
that ship like I hate kind of the camera and
like I think that came with after I got shot.
I just was always wanted to be the guy that
was in a cut in the room, like you know,
I'll be in the corner or something back there.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Like yo, shit, were machine or why are you good?

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Bro?

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Like I was always on that and I think that's
just a resulta you know, when I got shot.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Even with the Denver the clear I had process.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, why do you pick them through? Both places?

Speaker 4 (39:41):
When we was on that tour, that was the one
that we met whole. I'm not sure if it was
that tour or another tour before that we did, but
both times we did Denver my manager Chad, you know,
like I said, I'm always I'm always trying to work
and get shipped, you know, get in the studio, even
in other cities. Shit, I like going to eat different

(40:03):
restaurants and foods in these cities, and I like to
record in different city because it's a different energy. And
I'm like, yo, find me a studio. I didn't want
to go cook And he found this lab. It's actually
called the lab, the studio.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
It's like a.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Like an old like mechanic's garage and some shit that
they renovated and turned into a studio. It was like
in a cut behind like a gas station, and you
wouldn't even know it's.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
There if you you were right.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
We rolled past it ten times looking at the navigation.
You know what I mean it's a cut like that,
and I liked that part of it, and you know,
the engineer was fired. Shout out my boy Rocky. I
just was for some reason. It was in a good space.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Dog.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
I was knocking out five six songs, eight nine song like,
I was just going crazy.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
We did a tape, Me and Goos did a tape.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
In a day out there, like and I just recorded
so much music out there, and that's what kind of
gave birth to the won He Doer shit.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Just me getting back my peace of mind.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Like I was out there by myself, man, just you know, well,
you know, me and my pistol.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Girlfriend. I was, you know, I was out there.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
I was going to the studio from ship sun up
the sundown. You feel me just locked in and I
just found like a space that I hadn't been there
since I was like recording at Darren jer house before,
you know, working on you know, Hitler tool, hit reject
tool and shit like that. Like I got back in
that bag and ship. That's how they Won't He Do

(41:33):
It birthed. I just kind of took like some of
the joints that made the most sense that the fourteen
ships that made the most sense.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
And you know, painted that picture.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
You don't write anything down neither right, some of the.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Stuff I wrote down.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
You know, I got back into that, you know what
I'm saying. And you know I credit that honestly to
going out there and watching how Yay work and watching
Diddy work.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
And seeing how important it is to kind of like
take your time and just make make make music. Were
just making music.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
So it's like I'm in a room watching doctor Dre
work and I I'm just in a room with.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Just creatives, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Of course, nobody's writing for me or none of that shit,
but we just bouncing around ideas.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
And you know, you got the dude on a piano.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
That's how like uh the Kanye record, Ate the dude
on the organ, man ride on the organ, Drea singing
shit like that is just I wanted to tap into
that bad just make music and not just get a
batch of beats email to me and go to booth.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
And you know, already showed that I can make, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
What people would call fans would make saying it's a
classic in a day, like we done did that, We
did Haul and Nash in a day.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
You know what I'm saying. We did?

Speaker 4 (42:54):
You know we did some of them Hitler's in a day?
Wells went lying about that ship like we recorded them
ship is in a day? What was Shane gonna do?
I want to say it was maybe two days.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I'm talking about made the beat from scratch Darren Ja
and while we writing.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Or crafting, like we're still writing, wed just think of
it in our head until we rememberize it. Didn't go
on the booth and say it. You know what I'm saying.
But to answer your question, some of this ship, I
definitely picked up my phone because I was I wanted to.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
I was inspired by.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
How watching them, how they cooked, and it was like,
let me just let me think these bars out a
little more instead of just saying whatever the first ship
come to my head?

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Do you have a favorite verse off the album?

Speaker 4 (43:39):
The Kanye verse and the Won't He Do It? The
title the title track verse and that Twin Cross Twain
is different the Twin Cross Twins. I impressed myself.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
On there, like God damn, I'm in that bag.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
But you know that ship, I was saying the first
couple of bars of that uh, that Won't He Do It?

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Song?

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Got the and got a bunch of shit on my mind.
Lady got so much good in my heart? Is like
why I hate me go out my way for these niggas.
They still violate me. Then going on the internet sneak
dish ince suf tweeting entitlement and jealousy when they see
my funds increasing, Man, because they fucked up. They bag
when they was eating, taking their frustrations out on me.
I'm like, what's the reason?

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Like Ship? Like that is just it's.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
When I'm really spelling my heart in that both like
I'm really it's church.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I don't know that stuff in the writing. I just
just care out of me. You feel me?

Speaker 4 (44:35):
But uh that Kanye, I definitely wrote like the you
know what I'm saying when you dyed? What you gonna
leave your kids? Some sneakers and bells? Acho, you wilding
like mar Sellers.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
You know I'm on my sports show Ship and you
know you speak for yourself. You know they had to
show man Acho and you know my sellers, Wiley, you
know what I mean? Like Acho, you wilding like my sellers,
You speak for yourself and all that I can only
I can only get in that.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Bag when I take my time with right. You know,
I'm getting too old for this.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
You know, man, another sports figure that made the album,
shar Sharp, he's on the chosen.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Yeah, yeah, shout out un man. You know I had
to have uncle part of this ship.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Yeah. Do you know if you heard the record yet
or I doubt it it'll get too.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, hopefully it gets to him.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
I was down in Florida, actually, I was working on
so I'm doing the album, a full album.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
With Justice League. It's already done.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
It's just they putting the sprinkles and the cherries and
ship on.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Top of it.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
But it's it's already done, already wrapped on it, and
you know, we're just getting some features sent there and
you know they doing the last minute little ship to it.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
But anyway, I.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Recorded that song was supposed to be what's gonna be
on the Justice League tape, but I just made a
little adjustment like nah, this ship too fine.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Executive decision.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
So we recorded that in Miami and with Justice again,
Like I'm on that type of time now, the way
I want to be in the studio with the producer,
all of them and create and bounce ideas. Let's add
this at the end of that song. You know what
Conway think of? Think of something apart right here. You
know what I mean, Like some ship I might not

(46:20):
have thought of. You know what I'm saying, Like I'm
big on like letting people get the ship off. Like
I don't know, I don't know everything. I don't want
to be in the room. If I'm the smartest dude
in the room, or I'm the richest.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Dude in the room.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Let's all eat, let's all create, and let's all have input.
Because I might have missed something, you know what I'm saying,
Like I would have missed uh the water the wine
record had I not had Goose with me in Denver.
You know what I'm saying. I was a batch of
beasts my homie and E Jones sent you know Goose.
Uh he he found.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
The beat, like he I fell asleep. You know what
I'm saying. I'm on shrooms and on.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Type of shit and doze up. This nigga go I
wake up and Ghost got his first and hook and
everything to that beat. But he went in you see
what I'm saying, and like.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Helped guide me to with my verse, like gave me
a direction. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
And he wasn't there, I wouldn't have had that that
raw ass record.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
You feel me.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
And you're also working with thirty eight, specially her. You
guys got an album on the way, special Machinery.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah we did.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Uh so I recorded some you know a bunch of
verses and ship over that special spot.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
This is you know, a while ago or whatever. But yeah,
we you know, we got some ship together.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
That's coming to this see it two, he said, like the
summer maybe.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Oh yeah, you know, it's up to them ship.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
I guess this summer, then it's up the dog. But special,
ill nigga, you know what I'm saying. And got my
full support right, and it's gonna be special, you know
what I mean? No pun intended. It was up here
in Ransom the joint exactly like I wanted to me
and Ransom, you know, we have been kind of like
chopped it up and shipped. I ran into him a

(48:08):
couple of times, and you know, we both had acknowledgement
for you know, you know what we what we both
do well, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
And it just was love and shinning. We always just
had playing yo.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Man.

Speaker 4 (48:21):
We gotta knock, we gotta do something like nah facts,
Well I got into that that space, you know what I.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Man, and and then even had writer's blocks and ship too.
So once I got out of there and I recorded
that stab I recorded that stabbed Doll ship my part
in Denver, and I'm like, yo, I got sign ran
what you know, Nigga sent that ship back like the
next morning. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, stabbed out

(48:51):
and fleshing. My flesh is meant to be like a
connect like one song connected and same thing with like
quarters and bruis a fixed you know, but just like
late minute late game adjustments.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
I feel like when you in your bag, everybody knows
it because there's this adet that I love to talk
to him like what did that become this signature phrase?
Like how did you know that that was gonna be
a thing.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
I don't know, man, when it was when I first
did that ship, but I just you know, I just
liked it, and I seen how people talk to like
it was enjoying us. So I'm like, yo, I found something.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Jada Kiss got to laugh. You got to talk to him.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Hopefully my my shit be as iconic as you know,
Kiss ad Lib and you know, Gucci, Mane Bird and
all that. I also got the look look, yeah, that's
what niggas know. I'm about to walk on water. Look,
you know you already know, like, yeah, yeah, it's a
missile coming. Yeah, I started the verse. I would look,

(49:57):
it's a missile coming. It's a missile in a way.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Dips used to do that a lot too, like look yeah, yeah,
you know with all this stuff that you got going
on though, Conway, I know the labels is knocking on
your door.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Man.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
You said that you you got off of the contract.
You spit on it. Which label was it from? I
don't know, man, you don't remember.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
No, the whole entire you know, music industry, you know,
wants to fuck with the with the drum right now, man, fella,
you know we're in a good space.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
You said thirty million, that's is that the magic number?

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Whatever makes sense?

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Whatever makes sense, man, as long as long as long
as the team is situated. Man, you know, but there's
still good business with the great folks over the empire.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Right, yeah, good business, good bitiness. You know, should we
just dropped that thing? You know what I'm saying. You know,
we gotta we got cy B coming, a drum work
compilation coming, We got still you know, a lot of
business done, good business, you know, Shout out the Empire.
You know what I'm saying. Shit, shout out to Shady.
You know what I'm saying. You know, I can't say

(51:04):
it enough. You know, I'm thankful for you know, for
that opportunity, for them even taking a chance and fucking
with us and giving us a shot. You know what
I'm saying, Shit, I have nothing bad to say, and
Shito with the same with Griselda, with Wes Ain't nobody
got nothing bad to say about Conway and the offices,
you know, thankfully, you know what I mean. You know,

(51:27):
I try to treat everybody with fairness and treat every
situation with fairness. And I always like to finish what
I start, you know what I'm saying. So and I
want the best results too. So it's like my goal
is the same as you know, whoever I'm doing to
deal with and doing business with. So you know, I'm

(51:48):
just I'm a good dude, and you know I'm thankful
that people see that. And regardless of what should be
looking like, you know, on the internet and stuff, or
what I might get drunken. You know what I'm saying,
Get on, get on live.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Hey, you know I'm tough to deal with sometime. You know,
even I'm flawed.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
You're a good dude. And you're also a good son,
because you know, you talk about your mom a lot
throughout your music. How she doing health wise?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
She's good man, She's good man.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
She you know, she had the heart to open heart
surgery and stuff, but you know she patched up and
you know she's doing good man, ladies around grandkids, you know,
holding it down right.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
And she even made the album for God to make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Absolutely, I think be that like that got a mistakes album. Man,
I got to make mistakes.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I think God didn't know that, you know when I
saw the listen, that's another we're talking about that later.
Thanks for coming home.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Nah, But yeah, I was dope having my mom on
on that. I wanted her on on this album too.
You know, Uh, the feet was too high.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, yesterday's price was not today's price.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Well, but she didn't she just didn't fit the sound
of the album.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
No, you know, her health stuff, you know, man, she
was dealing with that, and you know, we just didn't
really have time to you know, so we worked one
of them.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
I wanted her on funny enough to Kanye record, like
just but the other side of it, like, you know,
on God to make mistakes. It was like she was
crying over my hospital bed when I got shot. This
one was like, look at you now, man, God, Man,
thank you man, look at you boy.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
You did it? You made it? Man, won't he do it?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
No?

Speaker 4 (53:50):
No, No, that was my idea for like the praise
and get a glory, you know, because she's big on
you know, religion and all that spirit. She's very spiritual,
so I thought that would have been a dope moment
for the album. But you know, she was dealing with
the you know, the heart surgery and shit, and we
just didn't We couldn't get it done in enough time.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Right, And at the bottom of twenty twenty two, I
know you your nephew passed away. I know that was
a dark time for you as well. Yeah, how'd you
put yourself out of that? That rut?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Man?

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Honestly be that man, I'm not sure if I have.
You know, I just try not to think of it
and just trying to just bury myself in the work.
And it's fucked up, man. You know, I think you
know I had. It's maybe like three three dudes. Man,

(54:44):
that's like, you know, its just super super close to me.
And you know I known them for a very very
long time. Man, So I was you know, I was
a little teenager saying ten eleven, twelve years old, seventh
grade and shit, you know what I'm saying, My broke,
my broke, we call him prick, my bro Chris James.
You know he got he lost his life, you know

(55:07):
what I'm saying. Uh, last year during all that. Then
right after that, uh you know Chef Dre. You know,
this is one of my best friends in the world,
you know what I mean, Uh, his son lost his life.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
You know, my that's my nephew. Like and then you
know another guy.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
Who's kind of like Spoones, who you know, was very
instrumental and uh making sure you know, seeing this ship through,
making sure like man, you know, keeping my mom head in
the game, like bro, no, you.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Need to be doing this funk all the streets. Shit
and dumb shit me man Monee.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
He lost his son on New Year's this year, like uh,
like a drunk driver, like he was driving on the
expressway down the wrong wrong, wrong way and head on
collision and and took took my other nephew life. So
you know, recipe peace Josh, rest in peace with League,
Rest in peace, Prick. You know what I mean that

(56:07):
that all this was going on while I was still
dealing with all that, then my mom having an open
heart surgery. You know, it's a lot, you know, the
you know, the DJ Shay even before like the Breakfast
Club interview, I probably you know, and it's just being

(56:27):
me being.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Real, real moment right now.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
You know I probably said and some things and did
some ship dog that you know, kind of probably rubbed
West wrong. I shouldn't have said. So dealing with that
kind of dysfunction with me and West and then all
this and then you know, my mom and my mental
stuff and you know, it just it was a fucked

(56:52):
up time for me in between from king to a
god and won't he do it?

Speaker 3 (56:57):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
And so something Rolling Stones is about you had a therapist?
Did you did that help people?

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Showed me how to say, fuck these niggas and do
you and Ball get your money these don't let these
niggas get you out your off your squaremen, fuck these niggas.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Get your money in Ball. You look good, you feel
how you look? You look good, you feel good. You
know what I'm saying. That's how I took it. That's
how I take that, man.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
And now as you need that push, you need that,
you know that reinsurance like man, you know? So all right,
you know, but like I said, the most important thing
is I was able to find kind of I guess,
a peace of mind and just maturing and growing as
an artist, as a as a man, as a father,
as a son, all that shit. You know, y'all remember

(57:45):
the first couple of times we came and did the
rap radar interview. You know, I ain't really wasn't no
talker or none of that ship.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
I'm just I rap and I go home, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
And you know I've been on the press runs and
doing all this stuff and you know what I mean,
and going overseas just showed me, like you know, I
owe it more to my fans, and I owe more
to my people that believed in me before all of
this shit, to really be active and you know, put
all the stuff aside and stop overthinking things and just

(58:20):
go crazy, man, getting that booth, go crazy.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
You the Ellis Khan, go dumb.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
And I just tell myself that in the mirror every month,
like you that nigga go eat.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
You and West are back in a good place.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Yeah, we always been.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
And that's what you know the great thing about Wes
and Man, I love that man so much because he
never really took it, you know on some like where
we man, fuck you, bro, you violated me type shit.
You know what I'm saying, Like we was good, you
know every little thing. I still had his blessings with

(58:54):
h We're still was doing the shows, rock and stage,
just hugging like I love his kids.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
His kids love me to death.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
They uncle Uncle Knwall, Uncle Dumont. You know, I'm Uncle
Dumont to them. You know what I'm saying, Like his
kids loved me to death. You know, his wife, you know,
my grandmother, everybody like you know what I mean. And
mister our bullshit, you know we lost you know, Auntie Shell,
granddad and it's just.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Like, man, what we what the fuck is we doing? Man?

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Like I'm tripping, brom, I'm a step up and I'm
a you know what I'm saying, yo, Bro, I'm tripping,
bro because in reality, shit, you ain't never took nothing
from me or not gave me nothing. I wasn't suposed
to get none of that. It's never no shady business,
no funny style shit, or no nothing. And I think
that's where it kind of got confused when I was saying,

(59:42):
because I said where I didn't read the contract, but
it wasn't from a place of me just being an
idiot or just like you know, he manipulated me or.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Nothing like shit, that's my brother. I don't got to
read that shit.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Shit we good, man, We good? I say less. And
you know, I feel like I just just owe it
to him to, you know, speak on that now. And
because we never really had a conversation about it. Man,
he just took that shit like I think he knew
what it was and knew I was just acting out
of my my feelings and my emotions and shit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
And you know, the love never changed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
And that's why it was important for me, like to
do the Bruce Affix video with him and the song
and everything and do it on a Darringer beat in
one of those crazy like left fields kind of what
the fuck is this beat? Because it reminds us of
the hauling Nash days, the fly Guy days, the Hitler two,
Hitler one, hit Looked three days. You know, I wanted

(01:00:41):
to give our fans that treat, like, Yo, this what
we've been missing. And I love seeing them dudes together
Conway Conway, west Side Darringer because that's how we started.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
That's how we're gonna finish, you know what I mean.
And that's how we're gonna finish Nigga. That's why we're
doing that haul of Nash too. We're doing that well
was sine Gun do too? And probably more work, you
know what I'm saying, Like hopefully you know West be
talking our retirement ship every year. Yeah yeah, no, West,
w ain't going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Let me out though.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
The Gela forever man or.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
They can't get rid of us. Man stuck together and
stopped this ship. We can only stop ourselves. That's why
I had to get my ship together. And you know,
honor my brothers man. You know what I'm saying, west
Side Gun, Benny the Butcher Man, I love y'all, niggas, Darren, y'all,
Love y'all, Griselda forever, drum work forever, b set forever, Nigga,
we built out whatever I'm special, beat ours list forever.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
He's has some great less in the last two years
since I've been on it, you know what I'm saying.
But I'm not taking nothing less than top twogregious, egregious.
When he closed his locker or all his door, I'm
gonna be standing by like the benship born Jus by
the locker looking at you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
What's up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
You know? Way baby? Podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Yeah, thank y'all. Man.

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