Rap Radar: Steven Victor

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
He wants to rap raid our podcasts. Manators beat out
Elliott Wilson. Goodness see Elliott, good to see you be Man.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
You know what I'm saying, How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Brother? Feeling great? Man? Feeling better now that we got
our newest guests on the show.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Today behind the scenes person Man. The podcast people love it.
Behind the scenes champions Man. They think they're in the
music industry. They're like, you know what's funny. When we
did that trailer, uh, we revealed I guess today was
one of the people we had featured in it.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I remember I was like.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Everybody's gonna want Tyler first. And one of my homies
from the old I call him the Social Squad. He
was like, oh there, Stephen Victor. Episode is first. I
was like, word, Stephen Victor. Got fans like that Stephen
Victors aren't moving.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
He's so nice.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
You gotta stay the name twice Victor victim Man, Victor
victim Man for those that don't know, Stephen Victor's man.
Where do we start with this guy? Long time manager pushing.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Tea, working the clips, good Music, worked over there many
years with Kanye and uh brought the world pops Smoke.
That was a pretty good accomplishment, brought the late great
pop smoke. I think he signed producers that produced like
the biggest song in the world, the Old Town Road X.
This man does it all and like we're announcing, we're

(01:07):
excited to be part of the new announcement, which is
now he's getting into the sports world right beat out.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yes, sir, He's getting his Don kingo on. He signed
Davis Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
And he also has a Nego on his roster too, man,
Like this guy is not stopped Nego.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Man, and he's got one of the Flyers logos and
uh merch and we still get our Victor Victor Jackets. Man,
it got promise man waiting on it. Yeah, man, this
is one of these patted episodes that we stacked up.
It's a good window. But it was great about it
be is we at the time of it. It was
the beginning of the whole. Like I think rapt Caviart
set it off with Jim Jones was really bigging up

(01:45):
Drake and you know, put not put in respect on
pusha T's name, and that led to like what's going
on right now at the time we're taping this now,
uh Paris just had the amazing Pharrell Williams les vaton
Don reveals the new Boss shout Out version do with
recipes Virgil uh it played a new song right beat
off from the Clips.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, he played a new song. Wait.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I don't know if it's a solo record or if
it's like a CLIPS record. You know, I think it's
a CLIPS record. I think it's a CLIPS record. They
have both had verses on it.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Mouse Yeah, push him.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Outkay unless unlet's it's for pushing your feature in mouth.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
But yees's know what I'm saying, like if we don't
know as of yet, but it sounds like he has
some subliminal shots at Jim Jones.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I guess it was based.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Off his ranking that was it Fi magazine had put
him as like one of the top best rappers. Yeah,
obviously Jim Jones has some objections to that, but it
was it sounded very sturgical, you know, how push you
could get.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
He said, the reality TV is mud wrestling.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
He said a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
He said he trying to get a feature out of
your out of your lane or something like that. Basically
he's supplying that, you know, Jim Jones was trying to
kiss up the Drake to get a feature, and he
had Jim. Jim made the boll statement that he didn't
consider pushing one of the top FIFTYFC. So so now
we have the song. The internet is on fire right
now at the time. Whist is coming out about this.
They wanted Jim Jones pushing Beef. Man, he want that beat?

(03:02):
Jim Jones pushing Beef.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I don't think I want that.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
That's I'm gonnah, But.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
You know, Joebo's excited. Man.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
It puts his name in the conversation. Man, he put
that video up him laughing in the car like you know.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
He loves it, man, veterans man, I mean not for
enough that gym has had a hell of a run
over the last couple of years with cops, a LoJack
and fraud department. So I don't know if he's a
formidable opponent.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
But you know, one thing about Jim is that he's
overachieved his entire career, like he's not to be in
a position that he's in right now. So you know,
salute to him, But I don't know. I think pushing
might be a little bit out of his weight class.
Respect We'll see.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I have to agree with you with that, But I
do think it's played a lot of people saying like, yo,
you know, Jim's crazy if Jim went after jay Z
and I so go after push It And it was
like and also they're like, yo, he rhymes way better
now too.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
So I never would have thought that.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
On Joel Moo's Coofy Listed twenty twenty three, here we are, Here,
we are.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Man, and you know it's funny Stephen Victorm we used
to be involved with Joe, with Jim Joe's career.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Also, I know, Steven, I know Stephen Victim is like,
what's going on man? By ex guy by current guy?
That going at it like it's exciting times man.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Also Victor, you know, definitely going to enjoy the conversation
we have with him. But he's also promised us that
one of the times we're gonna get that tang Davis
on the Underraparated podcast.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Right, We're gonna make that happen.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Man.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
You gotta make it happen, man, You gotta get your
gloves up, man, practice the jab and the hook.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Man.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
What I'm saying trying to be we try to be
the world champion, the world champions out here in the
podcast world. Man, we got to get champions on the platform.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Man, you know what I'm saying, Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Let's get do it to Ben one of the most
prolific businessmen behind the scenes man, mister Controversy himself, mister
all hands in, mister Stephens.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Victor on the Rap Rate All Podcast.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, Yeah, Raperate Up Podcast. Elliott Wilson, you know you're
going with the man shining because it was Stephen Victim.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Man.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yes, long time coming man, supermanager extorday, you had the
hell of.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
A twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three looking no different, Eliot.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, he's on major levels. Man, trying Can we just
start with this some fun of formal announcement. Man, you
just taking over the sports world? Can we start there.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I don't know if I'm taking over the sports world,
but I think I'm just trying to get It's not
I don't think it has anything to do with sports.
It's more so just working with people that whether they're
in sports, whatever they might be in that like we
have a mutual respect for one another and there's like
a relationship there more than it is like trying to
get into different areas of business.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
You know what I'm saying, A gentleman known as mister
Yeah Tank Davis best box on the planet.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
So they said itself, yeah, face of boxing.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
So we saw that with the big fiber Garcia. I'm
seeing a lot of Victor Victor merchants seeing human made.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah Nego did in shorts.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah right, Yeah, that's still is a custom human made.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Like when you see someone with a Victor Victor shirt
or like a jacket's almost like a Rockefeller chain.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's like you're down with the squad. Yeah, that's interesting
you say that because UZI said the same thing to me,
and I was like, oh, I mean, you know Rockefellas, Like,
I mean, I guess I feel honored, you know what
I'm saying that somebody would even mention because you know,
I'm not thinking, I don't think we're there yet, but
the fact that someone sees your in that light.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, was always your intention for Victor Victor worldwide to
get into sports or just was it like happened by happenstance.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
I've always been into sports. I don't think I ever
like that was like an idea, like y'all I'm going
to venture into the sports world. I've always been into sports,
and I've always been obsessed with boxing, you know what
I'm saying. So I don't know if I would say
it's like a natural thing, but I wasn't, you know,
headed towards that are so like the opportunity presented itself.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
What was your favorite boxer coming up?

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Floyd? I mean before Floyd out n let me take
that back, Roy Jones. I was really into like Roy
and zab Judah, you know what I'm saying. And then
after that was Floyd like them Roy Jones rhymes must
have forgot. Yeah. I bumped into Roy Jones at a
record at university when I was interning. I bumped into
him and that was a little key starstruck.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
Wow. Talk about the connection with Tank like like we
see him like he's now he's putting more so hitting
the radar. If you're not even a casual boxing.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Fan, Oh yeah, he is.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Like what makes them special? And like your connection to him, I.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Think what makes him special, Like he reminds me of
you know, whether it's like uh, I think through the
course of life you meet special people, whether you meet
them personally or you see them on TV or on Instagram. Now,
I feel like he's just one of those people. He's
just like a superstar like people. I feel like people
are born superstars and then the ones that end up

(07:49):
being in our face are the ones that like work
hard towards their craft, whether it's boxing, making music, whatever
it might be. I feel like he's just someone that
was born a superstar and his talent is boxing, and
he's making the most of it. So what's what is Victor?
Victor's intentions of like elevating his profile and his brand
really just tapping into all the different things that he's into,

(08:10):
whether it's like fashion, like design, sports, and just like
helping him execute different things that he wants to do
outside of boxing.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
How did you guys connect? Like you said what you
was on Instagram?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, on Instagram, well, like I said, I'm like obsessed
with boxing, so I'll be boxing too, And in my
my trainer was like, Yo, your favorite boxer is like
oncase he don't really post like that if you ever noticed,
and he was like, yeah, you should reach out to
him whatever. So we just started like talking in in
the DM pause, you know, and then we just you know,

(08:49):
we developed the friendship and from there started working together.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
So he did a cool campaign. I think it was
it was Hove and also Udell voiceovers.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, yeah, so what I can't remember if it was
me or David. I have a friend of mine, like
everyone I work with like friends named David, and he
had the idea. He was like, YO, for Tank's next fight,
we should do we should have like a director. Forgot
who the director was. He said, we should have them
direct something crazy, you know what I mean? And he

(09:23):
was I forgot who. He said. Yeah, he was like,
we should have someone direct something crazy and I was
like yeah, and then we should probably have like Mike
Tyson or somebody like narrated or Hove, you know what
I'm saying. I was like, I was like, maybe we
should have Mike Tyson and Hove narrated, right, And then
I was like, we have to find somebody to write
the script or whatever. So we took the idea to
Tank and he was like, Yo, that's fire. But before

(09:44):
we had we took the idea to Tank, I reached
out to a couple of scriptwriters, but then I reached
I reached out the whole first, and I was like, yeah,
I'm thinking about doing this. You know what I'm saying.
I'm going to reach out to some scriptwriters. Can I
send it to you when it's done? And he was like, yeah,
send it to me. So then we saw speaking the
Tank about it and he had this video on his
phone and it was it was a speech that Whole
gave at one of his concerts and he was like, Yo,

(10:06):
this ship is like fire right here. So I sent
that to Jay and I was like, can you just
resay this? I was like, because he really this that. Yeah,
it came out dope. He sold my fire right. Yeah,
it came out really dope. I saw that Jay kind
of shotowed him out at his Paras show. But it
was like, I've seen Tank box him up. Yeah, what

(10:27):
was it?

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Like?

Speaker 1 (10:28):
If I see it that?

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Like to be like part of that big big fight
night Vegas?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
What was that? What was that? Like he was in?
It was ill for me because, like I said, I'm
obsessed with boxing, so like I used to go to
all of Floyd's fights. Oh wow, yeah, that's back when
I had I was a degenerate gambler, so I would
get the tickets from the deck. It was crazy, man,
to just be a part of that moment. And even

(10:53):
his fight before that. But it's not what you would think,
right because like I used to watch the All Access
twenty four you know whatever with Floyd and before the
fight he would just be chilling. So I used to
think it was like the opposite. But it's the same
thing with Tang. He's like just another day, you know,
it's another day of the literally, it ain't no different

(11:14):
than anything else. You wouldn't think he's about to go.
I mean I would be if it was me, I'd
be like, Hella nervous.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Well Youse's a lot of hype.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Because remember I'm I'm a I'm really into boxing, like
really really into boxing, you know what I'm saying. So
I knew there's like you feel confident. I was like,
it's gonna be sparring for him, you know what I'm saying,
you know, because it's not like you know, the only
thing about boxing is like everybody has a punch his chance,
especially if you can hit, if you could crack like
you can never you know what I'm saying. Because with boxing,

(11:45):
I don't know if you guys are into boxing, like
it's really mental. So the minute you take your mind off,
it's like racing. I'll be racing too. It's like the
minute you take your mind off what's going on, that's
the split second that you could either crash or somebody
catch you with a.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Was how fitting it was, and with the body rare
like literally shut him down.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
So I didn't, you know, I was like, there's no
way this guy he got no work, Like I was.
I bet with Swizz like I was. I was speaking
to Slits and I was he was like yo, and
I was like cool. I was like, swizzly you like,
it's like, you know, just suspecting Ryan. But it's like
if you're driving a sports car, somebody's you know, if

(12:25):
I'm in a truck and somebody's in a car, there's
no way they're gonna how.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Much you was Swiss bat.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Crazy with me and we got to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Wet either bet no vehicles. You know, I said, you
both got a collection.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Tank he called it in the seventh Yeah he did. Yeah,
did you know what was going to happen then? Like
did you feel like it was coming watching the fight?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, Like just watching his facial watching his facial expressions,
and watching Ryan's facial expressions, I thought it was going
to be more. I like that. I thought it was
gonna be he was gonna get stopped like a round
a ninth or tenth, you know what I'm saying, because
I could tell he wasn't. He was like, Okay, I'm
gonna just play with Like I could tell his face shots,
but he's like, I'm gonna play with him. Gonn carry
him for a little okay, you know what I mean?

(13:13):
So you could tell, like like I said, I'm obsessed
with about you could tell when a fighter like steps
on the gas and he's trying to get him out
of it. I don't think he was trying to get
him out of there with that punch. I think that
just presented itself and he just shot. Kind of surprised
you when he didn't get up, yeah, for sure, because
I didn't even see it, Like watching it live is
different than watching it in TV. I didn't even see them.
I just seen him get on their knee pause. You know.

(13:41):
There was a really dope hip hop moment too when
they came out with Chief Keith was that you did
you that was all? Okay? That was his idea.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
He said, somebody he did the love so so he
said he didn't want to do the I don't like
it was more rowdy or something like that.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
He is interesting because when they were we were like
in the dressing room and me to league and David
were talking and he was like, Yo, he's going to
come out to Finico right one. He was like not,
he wants to do love so like, yo, he should
do such and such, And I was like, yo, you know,
as a boxer someone that's like in sports, you should

(14:16):
just really do what makes you feel good, regardless if
it's going to be the hypist or so. Yeah, but
that was all, you know, the chief keep thing was
all he wanted to come out too.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
So obviously you're a big boxing fan. Well, Victor, Victor,
get into any other sports world like the basketball, baseball, football.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Nah, because you know, I feel like for me, it's
all about like the individual, whether in tennis, basketball, or baseball,
whatever it is. You know what I'm saying, Because I
feel like there got to be some level of connection,
you know what, because I got so much going on,
like to be able to folk. I feel like like,
especially in today's day and age, like you have to

(14:55):
be able to be successful with something. You got to
be able to like hyper focus on it or else.
It's like they know different than any other successful person
that has connections. Like, what's the difference between you and
somebody else that's successful that has the same connections that
you have. It's about like your mindset and what you
bring to the table, like your perspective. I think that's

(15:15):
very important. So for me, it's like not necessarily about
getting into sports. It's more about and then you know,
it's like when you're working with people, to think about Tank,
that's that's really ill is that he has an extraordinary team.
And his team he's been with for like twenty years,
so they really know him, and you know, it's not
like you know, because sometimes with like artists are just entertainers.

(15:37):
You have like your friends that you came up with,
so they might not necessarily be the most like experienced.
But with Tank, like he has a really good experienced team,
you know what I'm saying. They've been with him for
a long time. They're really really smart, so it's kind
of like it's not as difficult because you're dealing with you.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Know, it's almost like a good foundation.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
He has a great foundation. Everybody around him is like
really good at their jobs. They're excellent, you know what
I mean, And they've been with him for a long time,
so they really care for him. So I feel like
all that stuff matters when.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
What's the next step for him, Like there's another big
fight coming up.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Like yeah, I mean he's gonna he's young, he's like
in boxing at least, so he probably got you know,
we're just gonna keep taking stepping it up.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
You know, he's undefeated, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Undefeated, like twenty nine and oh twenty seven knockouts you
see on defeating these streets to Victor. Victor the company?
Can you talk about the company? What it is exactly? Yeah,
I mean really it's just all the different things that
I'm into music, obviously, boxing, right fashion, It's like in

(16:44):
all encompassing things. I just really try to focus on
things that like even with you know, I started my
career at Interscope, but where I kind of like took
the next step was managing the clips Like that was
me just being like a fan, Like I really just
trying to hyper focus on things that I'm really into,
like as a fan, Like I come into the thing
as a fan first, whatever it might be, you know

(17:06):
what I mean, whether it's like boxing, like Tank. I
was a huge fan of Tank before I even started
working with him, Like I was, like, so I knew
everything about him before I even met him. You know
what I'm saying, Not to be on some like stalker
Shiit same thing with like the clips. So whoever I
might work with, you know what I'm saying, Like I
just yeah, what was those.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Other conversations of convincing you don't push your tea that
you can manage him to take his career.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
No, I never, I never would push it. I never.
I started off as a publicist, which.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Is a herald of like the people that know, like
these are the music industry. The publicists a lot of
times get shitted on right in the system, right, So
it's so rare for someone like you to break you
as a publicist and become the you know, the success
story that you are starting.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Get that. So I had to beg him to let
me be his publicist first, you know what I'm saying.
So I did it for free, and I was just like,
got you cheap. Yeah, that was the first project I
worked on. We got it for cheap e STAPs, right,
But yeah, I just went into it. I've been Listen,
I'm the same person I've been since I was a child.

(18:12):
You know what I'm saying. It's worked out in some
areas good, it's bad, you know what I'm saying. But
I've always looked at everything the same, like just a
fan and I do all of the knowledge and I
just work super hard. I feel like I'm the I'm
like forever an intern you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Is it more like just seeing what's missing and trying
to make that happen?

Speaker 1 (18:37):
What you think I'm like, Yeah, I'm just willing to
do whatever. Man, whether it's like I'll go and walk
the dog and pick up the dog shit if I
have to, you know what I'm saying. I feel like
that's gonna help the situation. Like whatever it might be, like,
I'm willing to do that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
And you got an internship while you were attending more House, right, Yeah, what.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Was it like being in Atlanta during that time? I
wasn't so. I had an internship in Atlanta at MTV Studios,
but that wasn't ship. That was just like getting coffee.
And during the summer I had an intern in New
York when Universe was at eight twenty five and I
was interned for Plaza. Yeah World. Plaza was interning for
Hawk Islam, you know him. He had a record label,

(19:20):
cour University, and Drew Hill was signed there.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Maya wow, Okay, that's crazy, that's crazy. I don't know
what floor that was.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
That was the seventh floor. It was either the sixth
or the seventh. Five, yeah, okay, yeah, so and then
they moved to seventeen fifty five. But yeah, I interned
there for the summer for two summers, and then that's
where I met Junior.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Oh yeah, Junior.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, so Junior kind of gave me my first shot. Yeah. Right,
But you also came up under Tony Draper from swab House.
Right when I met Tony Draper through Pusher.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Oh okay, he was managing because he was managing the
clips while I was the publicists.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
I saw something you had said that one thing you
learned from twenty is like a lot of times people
get jobs at labels and you just start spending money recklessly, right,
And Tony was the owner of the of the label,
so you felt like his approached to how he dealt
things is what you took from.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Right, Well, that's all I knew so before So I
was a publicist, right, like you said that was I
wouldn't say it was like a low job, but I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
In like the decision making.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, so my knowledge of like a record label came
from Draper. It didn't come from it, and so my
so the way Draper explained it was, you know, that's
everything is your own money, you know, So that was
my knowledge, you know what I'm saying. So I feel
like the way that you're your initial learnings of things

(20:43):
is usually like the foundation. So that my foundation was
treat everything as if it's your own, because that's how Draper,
you know what I'm saying. I was with Draper a lot,
and like he like instilled that in me.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Right, So those were the cues that you took going
into the relationship with the Clips then right as a
when I started, Yeah, for sure manager, m what makes
a good manager?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
I've been lucky, right because I started managing Pusher after
I had like a like a five year late like
a three or four five three four or five year
relationship with him, like, so it wasn't so I knew
him as a person like with friends, you know what I'm saying. So,
I feel like the thing that makes a good managers
you have to have like a certain level of care
for the person that you're working for, you know what

(21:24):
I'm saying, Like you have to look at them first,
and you have to always think about their their well being,
whether it's like their financial wellbeing, their personal wellbeing, their
emotional wellbeing, like their creative well being before. Like that
has to be the focus, right, you know what I'm saying.
And there from there you could kind of make decisions
that you make the best decisions from there, I feel like.

(21:45):
So I feel like that's the most important thing as
a manager because you're it's like you're in the service business. Right.
It's like I said, whether it's like you gotta go
walk Nigga's dog or you've got whatever you gotta do,
you know what I'm saying, you should be willing to
do it, you know what I mean, if that's going
to help, that's going to help further their career. And
this is the first grap group you ever managed, the first.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Also, it sports like I'm just gonna get the best
boxer that.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
So I've been lucky, you know, So I feel like
I'm I've been you know, no.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
But it was challenging, like people don't understand, like you
know the clips, you have the clips right, they're a
successful group. You know, there was obviously drama with the
labels at times and stuff. Then Malice goes off and
like you know, this transition of like okay, how we're
going to turn push your t into like his own
solo entity, Like you talked about those early days of
that challenge of like you know, establishing him coming out
of a group which was his foundation.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know, it wasn't like I gotta be honest, I've
been super fortunate because it wasn't that challenge because you
got to remember it was maybe like a three or
six month period when Malice like left the group and
when we started fucking with Kanyem.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
So you're like, go to Hawaii, Yeah, Hawaii, stay there.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
You feel me like half of half of a manager's job.
So it's just not fucking it up, like you know
what I'm saying. You get in a situation and you
make the most out of the situation instead of fucking
it up.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
But that was the thing too, Like he was you
had sort of vision might be more clear than he did,
right in terms.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Of like oh yeah, yeah. I was like, Yo, this
is this is it, you know, because there was other
opportunities on the table, and I was like, nah, this
is saying that ship as clear as you're not leaving wire.
Yeah exactly, I'm not getting you a ticket. You're staying.
This is it, you know what I'm saying. So, but
I guess where you're intent is up.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
You know, when Malice decided to not continue to rap, like,
did you feel like, okay, we.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Have to no? You know, Like I remember I was
saying that I'm like forever an intern. I feel like
I'm very I can't think of a better word to
describe it, but I'm very like childish in my thinking.
Like I have like childlike optimism, and I'm a little
bit delusional. I never look at the negative, you know
what I'm saying, Like the fucking house could be burned down,
I'm thinking about something completely different, you know. So I've

(24:07):
always been I've always had like very very good focus
and the ability to like not think about anything that's
negative but trying to focus on the positive aspects of things.
Does that just come from being a Brooklyn native? Have
you always been that way. I think it comes from
like my upbringing, right, So my my my father's very

(24:28):
like straight, like everything is about like education. He's very,
very practical. And then my mom is like low key
delusional about things like she's very you know what I'm saying,
Caribbean parents. Yeah, of course, so I had both, like
you know what I'm saying, Like my dad like superstructured,
very everything is like education, education, and my mom is
just like, oh, you know, right wherever I want, I

(24:50):
could like woul it, you know what I'm saying. She's
a bit but grow with BK like when the rap
become meaningful for you, like you were always a fan,
so like naw, you know, my my first my sister
put me on the wrap. She put me on a
mob deep like early on, like Mob Deep in Chop
Cort Quest. So we're talking about ninety three. Yeah, before that,
I don't even know if I was even into music.

(25:13):
You know what I'm saying. Wow, yes, Wow, man, I
listened to NBA Boy all day.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
So your sister's responsible for putting you onto all the
new music and stuff like that early on.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
But then once I got into it, I got into it.
But Yeah, my sister put me on the wrap earlier.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
And then when you were in traveling, when you were
in college or in Atlanta or even in Virginia at
some time, right.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, because I got chipped off the boarding school, right,
But I was I was like boarding school. I was
like in a town with like a thousand people. So
how would you get into new music? Just the kids,
you know what I'm saying. They would be in my
dorm and like, yo, check the shit out. Like we
would just share music, you know what I'm saying, right,
and whatever was exciting at the time, like whether it
was beefing with you. It's like a soap opera. Do

(25:59):
you remember the first time we heard the clips? I
was in college. When when did that? When did two
thousand and two? Yes? I was in college and I
had a friend, yeah, and he was he was really
into the clips and I was like, yo, this ship
is like he grinding came out and he was like, Yo,
this ship is fire is firing. I was like, Yo,
this ship is trash. Is trash? Move that ship up
for someone. I was like, what the is that? Because
it was so different and my man was like, nah, bro,

(26:21):
this is wow. He just kept on playing it. He
played it so much I start I was like, oh,
this ship is actually fire. But the first time I
heard I was it was just so different, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Funny, It's funny how Push it still hates like the
commercial joints off there, like when the last time all that,
Like do you feel does that bug you out there?
He really hates like an artist really kind of hates
some of their catalog. That's like with big records, like nah.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Because I think that he has his own taste, you
know what I'm saying. He's into what he's into, whether
he's making that kind of music or not. But I
don't what's up.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
With the sort of the direction of like sort of
leaning into the fact that it's almost like wrestling like
that pushes the bad guy right, like the playing up
the joker thing that the the themon type of energy
like that.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
He's well, that's not he's not playing that. That's who
he is. Yeah, you know, Push is a good guy.
We love Pusher now. He but he's like there's two
sides to the coin, right, there's always two sides.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Of a saying we're lucky to be cool with him because.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
When he goes.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's very very bad. You know what I'm saying, How
do you How does one man is that? That seems
to be probably one of the most challenging things to
manage someone like that.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I would think now because he's not like when he
goes left, there's like a reason for he doesn't go left,
you know what I'm saying, there's reason for it. So
if you're just being an objective person, you assessing the situation,
you know, I was a therapist, I'd be like, Okay,
I can see why he went left. It's not you know,
some people just go left because they they're angry by
something else. It's not like he's not one of those

(27:49):
people that takes out his frustrations about something else on
something else. Like if he goes left on you, you
know what I'm saying, and he goes all the way
like he don't stop.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
So how many for it for you? For When he
scored the number one album last year with Almost Dry.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
It was great man, because he you know, that was important.
It was important to us. So I feel like and
anything when you accomplish your goals, it always feels good, right,
And he's been in the game for so long, you
know what I'm saying. And he's never like switched, It's
never It's always been you know what I'm saying, what
he's on like, he hasn't had to conform to anything, right,

(28:27):
Just point about the Grammy nomination and yeah, man, the
Grammys his cap I think. So, you know I thought
he was gonna get it last year. Well this year, yeah,
the Grammy. Yeah, I thought he was gonna get it.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
He's gonna get man, So what happened after what you
guys do?

Speaker 1 (28:49):
After you just left? Yeah, went back to New York,
to New York, Yeah, or speak about New York.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
There's a lot of talk from another New York all
it's the same to push your t's in the top
fifty rapper, right, how do you?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
What do you?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
What are your thoughts about that? About what push your tea?
Not necessarily being a top fifty rapper.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
That conversation's like you can't say he's not a top
fifty rapper. Like this guy's been twenty years, right years,
two thousand and two and then in twenty twenty three. Yeah,
he's been relevant for twenty years without doing anything outside
of what he's doing. Right, you know what I'm saying,
it's like you can't say.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, were you surprised that Jim said that, Jim Jones,
somebody you work with the.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Pier, right, was that surprised. I'm not surprised by anything,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Twenty years, It's yeah, twenty years is insane. I'm the
same who else. A lot of rappers don't make it
past twenty days. Man, That's what I'm saying. In twenty years,
and he's still operating at you know, a high level.

(29:49):
You know what I mean. I'd just say, arguably, he
how many rappers? How many relevant rappers out right now?
Right now?

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Is the question?

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Right? So my thing is I look at at it
as who is performing at a high level and who's
making the most money? Right, That's how I judge it,
because you could be performing at a high level and
not be getting paid accurately for it. That's true, especially

(30:21):
in music, because there's a bunch of artists that are incredible,
but they don't you know this this artist. You can
have artists a that's the best singer or the best rapper,
but they don't they don't have the recognition or they're
not being you know, their talent doesn't match the deals
that they're getting. So I feel like when you have
the connection of the two, that's what you really want.

(30:43):
You want to be able to do what you do
at a high level and get paid paid for it
the way you want to be paid for it. Right.
It's like you look at any brand like you look
at Ferrari. They do exactly what they want to do
and they sell the cars at the price they want
to sell it, or it's not it's not you know,
they don't got to make a bunch of like you

(31:04):
don't got to make minivans like he got to make minivans.
You know what I'm saying is.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
That the most is that the most awarding part because
it feels like always we push whatever you guys are doing.
It feels very uncompromising, right.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Completely uncompromising. That's the whole point of life. Right. You
want to be able to do what you want to
do and get paid for it. You don't want to
get up in the morning and be like you go
to work and you're like, fuck this job. You want
to feel good about your job, your craft. You know
what I'm saying. You want to feel good about the
people that's around you, and all the other ship is
for the birds, Like, what's the point.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Why has every Push your T album? I joke with
him about every marketing plan is like I just made
the best album of the year. Every every Push your
T album is like the whole mo is just the
best album is just a certain standard, Like that's the
marketing plan, Like I've made the best album.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Because he feels like he and he does. And that's
the thing. Right, you want to be the best at
what you do. I'm saying, once you've gotten to a
place where you're that's why if you look at anybody
that's great, whether it's Kobe, Michael, anyone, right, Floyd, Like,
once you make money, once you're at a place where
you're you're comfortable in you like, there has to be
something else that's driving you. And for people that are great,

(32:13):
it's you know, them wanting to be at the best.
They're competing like you guys are competing with other people
in your in your field. I'm competing with other people
in my field. Like you know what I'm saying, race
car drivers, boxes, whoever it might be. You're competing against
your peers. You want to get to that place where
you're you know, that's what's driving. It's something else driving
you other than money. You know what I'm saying. It's

(32:34):
always for everyone that's successful, that has impact. It's always
like a zero sum game, you know what I mean.
It's zero zero sum game. Like it's like somebody whin,
somebody loses. Like it's not you know people that are
thinking about like money. That's like once you're financially fund
no one's thinking about that, you know what I'm saying.
It's like the game amongst people. That's what's going on

(32:57):
out here.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
I saw that you recently tweeted that no one wrapped
better than Push, said no one writes better than dream?

Speaker 1 (33:04):
What do you think makes them so good at their crash?

Speaker 3 (33:06):
I'm god, what do you say like when someone no
one raps better than Push? Like, what is it about pushing?
T's rhymes that just make you make that statement?

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Who wraps better? I'm going to ask you better and
push your tear? You don't want my answer? Why not?
I want you? I do? Why don't I want your answer?
Tell me? I want to know. I think there's a
lot I mean, Push is dope. Tell me tell me.
I want to know. I want to know he conna
start some ship. Though I listen, by the way, you

(33:41):
can tell me something that probably I might shut up.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Okay, I think jay Z I think raps better than
Push your Teeth. Okay, we're talking about right right now,
talk about right now today. See I'm going off of
based off what people see. It sound like I'm coming, police,
you're coming.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Please, You're giving me context?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Is the context. I'm basing it off of recent releases.
And you know I'm not going off of legacy, my
recent releases, releases. Even though I do think Push Your
Tea had the best album of last year, I do
think Drape the Canadian, I think he does rap better
than Push. You know, at certain times I think, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Can Cole.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
They evenly yoked, but I would put I think they're
like one A one B Cole.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I put cold, I think cold depending on the day, Push,
but he.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Still would have Pushed in the top five or top ten,
in the top ten. And we're talking skills, We're just talking.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
You're talking about it. You're being objective. I'm being objective.
I think I think Push Your Tea right now is
a top ten rapper.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Absolutely, but I think he has criterior for that I'm
going off of because I said he was the best
rap of last year. So I'm basing it off of releases,
guests versus freestyles. If it's applicable just in totality, not
trying to be a no.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
So even with what you're saying, that's like, you know,
someone can argue one or the other. I feel like
that in itself.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I mean, I think it's not necessarily just based off
of lyricism, you know what I mean, because if that
were the case, we would highlight battle rappers and we
don't really.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Know, yeah for sure, because you have to have you know,
that's like in a void.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Yeah, of course, you know. I just don't think it's
just that, you know. But if I'm just taking everything
into tally, I do believe pushes in the top ten
for sure.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
But I think what's best of all pushes, Like I mean,
they say the Coke Wrap whatever. But like he's made
he's made an art out of what his lane is, right, Yeah,
he's masterful in his lane. It feels like there's nobody
else that can kind of go in that area anymore
in a way, like that's sort of like doing.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Like the kind of thing. You know, he's difficult his
own lane. It's difficult to be doing it for that
long and keeping it at at a certain point, you know,
everybody kind of your reflexes go, right.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
How do you what's your take on how we stay
so sharp as he somebody's always recorded, because you don't
seem like the type of artist that's recording all the time, right,
you know it was up to me. Yeah, I feel
like he's the guy that he goes through the ten songs.
Those are the ten songs, right, Like that's.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
He lives his life. You know what I'm saying. He's
not bound by the studio. He's very you know, this
is it, that's it. And you know what I'm saying.
This going on.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
He was saying like you guys are poll opposites with that, right,
like like you're you're different.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Oh yeah, for sure, he's very Like like I was late,
He wouldn't he wouldn't be late. I just have so
you know, my mind is all over the place. It
reflects in my behavior.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
You know.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
So it's the weird thing that when the artist is
like the steady more time. But I think that also
that's part of what why I've been able to be successful.
You know what I'm saying is that he's the way
he is and I'm the way I am. I think
the way he is allows me.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
To be because otherwise if it was the opposite, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
And Beat I have mentioned Dream, like, let's talk about that, Like,
so you're involved in Dreams? Were also like how did
that come about.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
To Push your m hmm. So we developed a relationship
because he was working on Push, his first album.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
You know some of those songs underrated on that first.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Album, Yeah, somebody a lot of them didn't.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Dream has a record with Pusher and Big Sean called Pussy.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
That I really enjoyed. Yeah, the video was very nice.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
But we know, we know he's very interesting man. Talk
about like getting to know him and building that that connect.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Same thing, Like I was a huge fan of the Dream,
you know what I'm saying. So when I got the
opportunity to work with him with pusha like we just
had a mutual respect for one another. We became friends
like quickly, and then we started working together the same thing.
It just started off as a relationship, like a personal relationship.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
What is it about him? That you that you think
we said no one writes better.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
You haven't been in the studio him, Nah, you've been before, No,
I haven't known. Okay, so I've been in the studio
with a bunch of people. Mm hmm. And I would
say by far, like he's the most talented person.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Wow to this day, even right now for me, Yeah,
I think so, yeah, Well just you'll see him just
quickly craft like melodies.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
And not just quickly. I mean, yeah, this guy is yeah,
because you can people can make songs quickly, but what's
the quality of the song Like this guy is like
brilliant when it comes to songwriting, like brilliant I mean
this layer like just like pushings, like layers and layers.
He's just like in another category. And he scooped up
some Grammys too though. Yeah, so you see what I'm saying,

(38:34):
Like he's been, he's been. He's another one that's been
around twenty years operating at a high level. Crazy, you
know what I'm saying, right, Yeah, So, I mean how
many people do you know that can operate at a
high level for that long that long of a time,
especially in this industry. That shit, it's like fleeting, right
you know what I'm saying. The Urban Sextu music is

(38:56):
like that shit swings. Yeah, you know it definitely is
a temper A monkey in the zoo. He feel me?
When you said you were in the studio with Dream,
were there any records that you saw him craft that
we know all of them. They're just very like you
know what. There's been interviews where they said he wrote
Umbrella in like five minutes, went, yeah, that's how all

(39:18):
the records. It's like the Beyonce stuff you saw. I
wasn't in there with with Beyonce, but whenever I've been
in the studio with him, all those songs, you know
what I'm saying. He comes in, he goes into and
it's not right. He just goes into booth.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Oh he's not putting the paper or not.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
No, he figures it out when he gets in there,
and it gets figured out like like that, ain't He's
not in there for six hours. He's in there for
like sixty seconds. And he'll come out with and.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
What's the project? He was telling me something he's doing
like a movie around it or.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Something for his current one.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, the next album.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I don't know about the movie. But we did a
movie around his one of his projects a couple of
years ago. But he's really into film. He's just very,
very creative. This guy can you can build a house.
I'm not joking.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
I mean like Carpenter dreams of Carpenter's frank Ocelana in
real life, I really do.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, the fuck is going on. You're going to his
career and he'll be building cabinets. So that's the reason
why we don't have dream album. He's building the cabinet.
I mean, listen, he's doing that. He can whatever's wrong
with the car and fix it. This guy's working about Listen.
I'm telling you this guy's very extremely talented. That's crazy.

(40:29):
Thank you for the dream of it. And he has
a really good taste. This is something that's underrated. M
I saw you said that. You know, you can't listen
to someone if they can't dress. How could you like
to think about it? Right, you're going to leave your
house and you're gonna put that on. That's a very
bad you start. You started to start the day off

(40:51):
making a very bad decision. So you're not about to
give me some advice to me, I give you some
equally bad.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
I think to go ahead and here and fashion the music.
It's like if you dress badly, your taste is reflect.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, everything is bad. Like you cannot you can't listen
you you know what I'm saying, You can't listen something
else about you? You always wear the La Dodge you had?
What's that about? I don't know. I just love the color.
M you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Okay, Like, oh no, no affiliation.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
I'm very like everything's the same. Like I eat the
same thing, wear the same thing. I'm like obsessive with.
What if I'm obsessive with at the moment. So jay
Z has a Yankee, you have the La Dodgers. Yeah,
speaking to taste, though you also work with someone who
has great taste. Nego, how'd you convince him to do
an album?

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Man?

Speaker 1 (41:45):
It started off with the logo, right.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Bold enough to ask him to do a logo, Yeah,
to do your logo Victor Victor worldwide right?

Speaker 1 (41:53):
And then through that, you know, we developed a relationship.
And I just had this idea of him doing an
album because I was like, I mean, he used to
put music out like back in the days when ape
sounds and ship like that. But I was like, yo,
it would be really fire if he did like an album,
you know what I'm saying, m M, every don't know
Neo is the founder of Bait. Yeah, yeah, I know, Nego.
It was really well received. Man, we got a clipse

(42:15):
song song and you know, pushed it his thing on
this on the solo record. He has the best taste
of like this guy is Yes, Wow, nobody's fucking with
this guy. I saw that you will to his house
and it's yeah, bro, that's what I'm telling you. Nobody's
fucking with this guy. Everything is perfect, you know what
I'm saying, Like everything is done to a level of sophistication,

(42:38):
and m it just makes me be like, oh, I'm
I'm not doing anything in my life. I gotta reevaluate
everything right. The only person that comes close is like
Kanye just very I mean it's just very like everything
gotta be perfect. And if you notice it, you know
what I'm saying, then you on the same wavelength. But
most people won't know.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
It's just like you're talking about like detail in the room,
like furniture, the fucking the reveals in the.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
You know what i mean, The type of like everything
is just very thoughtful. You know what I'm saying, and
I think that just like if you're that thoughtful in
your own life and like things that you're around, like
you're always going to be so you're gonna be great
and you're gonna be surround You're going to surround yourself
with greatness. And hear me clearly was on that album, right, Yeah.

(43:29):
Did you know that he was going to salvage that
for almost dry Well? No, because I begged him for it,
like I was like please, Yeah, that is crazy. So
it was originally on the album and I was like please, So.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
All the songs on the album, like did you create them?
Because you have like tal creator was on there. It
was like really soft study. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, that was a big conversations between like Me, Pharrell,
Rocky because Rocky executive producer project. Also, I think Rocky
maybe Forrell was the first person I called, and then
Rocky was the second person. And then Rocky was like, Yo,
I'm into this, let's let's do it together.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
That's so he said something. Nego wasn't going to work
somebody lest he kind of had a person relationship also
with the.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Person he was really on some like you know there's
people I was like, yo, this I think it's fine.
We should put on a good look. Sam.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Right, He was like, no, I.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Rocky exactly, you know what I mean? So yeah, I
mean we had a I had a really good time
putting that together because again it's like I'm a huge
fan of Nego, Like it's now he's your client. Yeah,
that's so surreal.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Also, gonna be business owners, right, entrepreneurs, you're going to
restaurant together.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, we're trying to bring a carry up to New York.
It's his restaurant that he has in Japan.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Hmm, we're gonna put away in New York.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
He said, what what's it called again? Carry up? Yeah? Fire,
and you trying to bring it to New York. Yeah,
not trying to. We're going soa we don't try.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
We let's do it exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
The Victor worldwide. We try. You know what I'm saying,
You don't try do it? And so does that happened
in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
What's it look like?

Speaker 1 (45:15):
Probably like twenty four? Okay, hopefully twenty three, but I
done it. Were already in May March, we may May. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Do you feel like you're getting more motivated doing stuff
like that outside of the music, do you still have
that drive in terms of, like, you know, running a label,
trying to find the next star. I mean obviously you
know you brought us pop smoke to the world, Like
is that still part of it? Do you feel like music?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, just trying to find a news listen to music
is the basis for all of it. Like music is,
you know, like they say in My First Love, So
like music is always going to be my focus. Is
Music's never I just feel like I'm I have ideas
and I try to execute them. My side of music.
I feel like I could do not do it all,
but I can do it at the same time, like
it works and and and you know, I just feel like,

(46:00):
you know, before like I signed pop, when I first
started at UMG, I think maybe like I don't like
five or six years ago, like I was just so
excited to have my opportunity, you know what I'm saying.
I feel like sometimes when you first get an opportunity,
like there's a lot of excitement and you you know

(46:21):
what I'm saying, You're just trying to do everything, and
then kind of as you start having more success, sometimes
it I don't want to say you get jaded, but
you know, maybe you know it's kind of I don't know,
if you get to a point. And then I remember
I had a I was feeling really good about I
don't remember what I had. I had just did some
deal and I felt like really good about it. And

(46:42):
I bumped into J at a party and he said
to me, you're you're going to be great. I can
remember how he phrased, but basically it was like, yo,
like I see a lot in you're going to be
great type thing, right, And I remember that night I
went home and I was just like, I don't want
to say pressure on me, but it made me feel
like like, oh man, I ain't done ship I got,

(47:02):
you know, because it had like the opposite effect. I
feel like for some people it might have been like, oh, like, nigga,
you've made it, but for me, it I was like
I feel like I hadn't done shit. I was like,
damn this niggas looking at me like I'm about to
do something great now, right, Like I gotta get it together.
And I feel like that that's the point that like
sh like switched for me, and I was just like, yeah,

(47:24):
I gotta like focus because again I was feeling I
can't remember what had just happened. Maybe I had just
got my deal, so I was feeling really good about
something I had just done in business, right, and then
he said that to me, And it was kind of
like at one point Jay Z offered you a situation
at Rock Nation too. Right. It was between the time
when I was my deal was up with Kanye and

(47:46):
I was speaking to des a lot and I was
going to go m So what ended up what it
was is he was like, Yo, if you're not gonna
you should work out your situation where yay, Like that's
what you should do, but you should you should really
fuck with Like, don't go into one of these corporate
buildings that might not be the best use of your
talent because you'll get kind of put in the box.

(48:08):
You know what I'm saying. Right, She's like, if you should,
your first you things should be to work it out
with him. You know what I'm saying, because obviously you
guys do great ship together. Foks with you fuck with him,
But if you can't come to death Row instead of yeah,
all right, but it's ill because you know, like I said,
I was talking to Deaths and I was like, Yo,

(48:28):
you know what I'm saying. This is the kind of
situation I want. This is what I'm looking for conversation wise.
And I mean I know now, but before before I
went to Universal, like they were talking with her about
something and she was the one that gave them the kite,
like you should really because I was dealing because remember
Yea Yeay's thing was he was managed by rock Nation.

(48:49):
I think at the time I was dealing with with
das on a bunch of like different matters and she
kind of put the like helped it out? Did she
helped out? UMG situation? I'm saying. So, I'm forever grateful
those guys.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Because you have like a direct line with this Lucing
Grange guy. Man, what's that guy like in real life?

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Scared? What is he like? You never met him? No? No,
I never met Loution Grange.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Neither that he didn't want the podcast of Universe.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
I mean, listen, this guy is He's brilliant, yo, because
remember when before I went to Universe, I was picking
between a bunch of different situations and when I met
this guy, I was like, Yo, this guy is, like
I said, you meet people in life, whether they're like athletes. Saw, yeah,
this guy is genius level m hm, Like there's loosing
it as everybody else. Like he's in a whole different area.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Code, and he's the one that presented you the opportunity
to bring Victor Victor worldwide University.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
And at the time, it wasn't even Victor Victor. It
was just like, yo, I'm gonna give your own situation
and create this this job for you. Like working in
the center at UMG where I was, I was fluting
across like the different labels, and I was just able
to tap into whatever you m G had going on,
like I could tap into it. So if I had
an idea for like TV, film, publishing, merch records, whatever

(50:07):
it might be, how.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Did you develop pop Smoke And did they believe right
away in him?

Speaker 1 (50:12):
You know? Interesting you talking about Lucien right that was
that was the only person that believed the pop went up.
And I played it for him because when I when
I first found him, well I didn't find it. WECo
brought him to me, you know, and I started trying
to get him a deal, Like nobody wanted to sign
him because he didn't have anything going on, Like there
was no metrics on it, right, but the ship was
his fire, you know what I'm saying, and the energy

(50:33):
of it, the energy of it, the music. He was
just talented, you know what I'm saying. And everyone else
was like, oh yeah, this is cool, it's fine, whatever, whatever,
what's what's going on? Like, what's the the number? What's
the number? Lusen was the only person when I played
it for him he was like, oh, this think is fire.
You should sign him. It doesn't happen like that anymore,
like a traditional signing. Yeah. That he was the only
person that was like, he's fire. It's funny. Push yourself.

(50:58):
Let Steven talks streaming. This is m number listen. I
love that though it's weird because I'll never sign an
artist off of it, But I know every stat m hm.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
So what makes you want to get into business with
an artist if it's not based off of that? Just
like how you like the music?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah, it's the same thing, like how I like the music,
how I like the person. More important is the person,
you know what I'm saying, and then the music and
the talent, because you could that's the most important thing
for me is the person. I don't give a fuck
out talented someone might be. If they don't, if we
don't mess off, I feel like they're not a good
parted person. I'm out. So what song was it that

(51:37):
you heard when you heard pop Smoke that caught your attention?
It wasn't a song so with pop At the time,
I was at Death Gym right and Rico, you know,
you know, Rico beating right. Rico kept being like, Yo,
I got this kid, I got this kid, you got
to meet him. Fires from Brooklyn. And at the time,
like I said, I got I'd be having like a
lot going on sometimes, so I was. I was not

(51:59):
really I was kind of like rapping from Brooklyn, you
know what I'm saying. And at the time, like we're
from Karanarsi, you know what I'm saying. He was like
he's from Aranashi. I was like, nothing comes out of Karanasi, bro,
you know what I'm saying. So I also had that
in my mind, like you know what I'm saying, there's
no there's not even public transportation out there. You gotta walk.
You gotta walk hell of fight to catch a dollar van,

(52:20):
to go to catch a bus or to catch a train.
You know what I'm saying. So like to Reco kept
just being like, Yo, you gotta meet this y. So
finally I was like, all right, I do it. And
I did it as a favor. I was like I
just because Rico was like, Yo, I've been promising him
this meeting and like now he's looking at me like
a liar. I was like, okay, Rico's my man, Like
I'm like twenty years like you know what I'm saying.
So I was like, I'll do it as a favor.

(52:42):
And then when I met him, I was like, you're sick.
Is a super star.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I think.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Thank god Rico kept, you know, bothering me about this.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
So it wasn't just his presence.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
His presence more than anything because all the songs he played,
they were like it wasn't nothing to Joe stuff. It's
like songs, you know what I'm saying, And they were
just like really good songs. But more important than that,
it was like his presence, you know what I mean.
I was just like this nigga. I remember I called
Rico when I left. I said, Yo, this nigga's a superstar.
He was like, Yo, we gotta get him a deal.

(53:14):
We got to get him a deal, right, But yeah,
was he He had some legal trouble too. Before. I
didn't know about none of the legal trouble until after
I signed him. Wow. I was just like, Yo, this
niggas star. We gotta sign him. And Lusien was like,
you should sign him, So we signed him. Originally he
was signed at the Center. He wasn't assigned to a label.
He was just at Umgen. We say the center, what

(53:35):
does that mean? So you know, Universals owns all the
labels like def JAM, Republic, Interscope, Island Capital. It's like
a bunch of subsidiaries underneath MG, and then there's the
Center where like Lucy In and then it has like
business affairs, you know, it's like the holding. It's like
you know, it's like LVM Major or whatever. They got

(53:56):
those different companies within it. Gotcha, Okay, So I work
in the Center, I don't work for a particular label.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
You can go to each one of those, any one
of those different labels.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
So thank god for that because if not, if I
was working at a label and I presented, they would
have just been like unless I was the CEO of
the company, you know, because remember I took him. I
sent it to everyone. Everyone passed, right, so you had
the legal and I sent it to J too. You
know what I'm saying. This is why, like I'll be saying,
there's people in life that are just like special. And

(54:28):
and he was like, Yo, this nigga's fire because I
sent him the I send him like seven or eight songs.
I think y'all just signed this kid from Brooklyn? What
do you think? What do you think you thought? He
was saying? He said it was fire. You know what
I'm saying, right, so you got everyone else's co sign.
You felt it was good, But I knew it was good.
You know what I'm saying. I just I was just
like the push. You feel the same way too. I

(54:50):
think so because he brought him out on the show
so early on, very very early on. Yeah, but because
it was so early, you know what I mean? It
was more so one of those things where I was like,
am I bugging? Am? I? Just like out of my mind?
And it was different. It was it was like very
very different.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Did you feel any of that, like this guy's gonna
save New York hip hop?

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Rapped? Yes? Because I don't know if you remember so
back to the legal thing. So once we started working,
he had all these cases, which is like insane. So
the kid that came and got my car keys, right,
So it's interesting how life works. So it's like he
had like all these court cases. But more important than that,
like with the music, I was like, yo, he because
when we started, when I signed him and we started speaking,

(55:30):
he was like, yo, I want to be His goal
was to be like Kanye. It was to be like
a global superstar, you know what I'm saying. So I
was like, yo, you know, the only way you can
do that is by taking over a sound your hometown.
So you got to be like super deliberate, and it's
not going to be fast. It's not going to be
easy because you have to build a foundation, and it

(55:52):
takes time to build a foundation, you know, Like it
takes a lot of time. You got to be just
very deliberate and you gotta you know what I'm and
you got to stay the course. So that was one
of the plans, was to be the face of New
York and then branch from there. What was it like
put them together that first project? You know, it was
like a work in progress because initially after we signed him.

(56:13):
He started, he had the song Welcome to the Party.
Then you know what I'm saying, This shit started started buzzing.
So a lot of people started reaching out to him
and wanted to work with him, whether it was like
producers or other artists. And I remember we would have
these meetings and I'd be like, Yo, you can't be
over here over there. You know what I'm saying. You
got to kind of be very centered if you try
to like really be like Kanye or somebody like this.

(56:37):
You got to really develop your own sound and be
the person that's responsible for your success. Like you can't
have an artist bigger than you. You can't get on
the song with the artist bigger than you or put
them on your song, because then they're going to get
the credit. You're not necessarily going to get the credit
because people are going to be able to pinpoint where
your success came from. Like they're gonna be like, oh,

(56:58):
he had a song with this person, You had a
collaborate with that person. You know what I'm saying, Like,
you got to get your own fan base, whether that
is five people, yo, five hundred thousand people initially, but
you have to be you know what I'm saying, the
bulk of your fans have to be have to find you.
They can't find you through your collaboration with I don't
know a song with any like B level or A

(57:19):
level artist, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
So he was like, I'm not clearing that.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Was good. I was like, Yo, we gotta be very
very And then that's how the whole thing with Mellow
came about with the producer from London because when he
had all those songs, I remember asking Rica. I was like,
yo's let's get this nigga to the studio and come
to find out, he was in London. So he flew
him from London and put them in the studio together.
But then that sparked an idea. I was like, Yo,
his producers from London, pops from New York. He wants

(57:50):
to be a global artist, Let's do his first show
in London. Because the producer that was doing all the
music was based in London, you know what I'm saying,
and nobody knew him. So I was like, Yo, this
is a way to further build your platform, your legacy
because you'll be known for also introducing someone from a town.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Right, you know, create a whole new sound. You said
it takes time, but it felt like it went really fast.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
It did go really fast. I didn't know it was
going to go that fast, you know what I'm saying.
But you know, I feel like he knew because when
he first played dr he was like, yeah, I'm telling you,
and I was just like, where's the hook? But the

(58:34):
whole song was like a hook. You know what I'm saying, right,
But he knew, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
So, you know, with Pop passing, U, you know that
tragy within itself, like did you feel like, I mean,
obviously lost a friend, but did you even think about
on the business and like, you know, where do we
go to from here?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
No? Man, I was like depressed. I don't know if
you saw that interview, I do it, Noah, But I
feel like that conversation with Fifty kind of like really
because I went to go see right before he passed,
like we had. I had taken him to see Fifty
just because I felt like, you know, he was just
living like super fast. So I was like, yo, you know,

(59:16):
I feel like Fifty could talk some sense in them,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it was really fifty.
That was just like, yo, you gotta He said, what
are you going to do with the album? You know
what I'm saying, because remember when we were la recording
his album, because the whole plan was he passed away
in February, right, Yeah, he was supposed to go on
tour in March, March, April, and the album was supposed

(59:39):
to come out in June. So we had had that
conversation with so most of the album's already done. So
he was like, what are you doing with the album?
And I was like, man, I'm not thinking about that ship.
And he was like, you know you're He's saying, I
get you're grieving, but you gotta like get out of
this ship and stop being selfish, Yetta. You see, he's you,

(01:00:00):
guys have plans to put this album out. You did
all this great work, and now you're just going to
like abandon it because you feel because you're sad, you're depressed.
He was like, I get it. You know what I'm saying.
You gotta mourn, but you can't abandon what you promised him.
I was like, he was like, you signed him, you guys,
you made a promise to him and made a promise
to you that you were gonna he was going to
be like the face of New York. You guys had

(01:00:21):
all these great plans and now you're just gonna You're
just gonna like forget about that. And then he was
just like, you can't forget about that. And he was
just like, yeah, I help you. And then it was
he was like, you know, he would push me. He'd
be like, yo, what are we doing. He was like,
you got to you gotta do this for his family,
for his legacy. He was like, you can't wait till
you done morning in like a year, two years or whatever,

(01:00:42):
and be like, oh, you know, he said, you gotta
do it now and I'll help you. And he did.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
He was like it was almost like as if it
was his artist that was pushing in the wake of that.
Was it hard to listen to Pop's music.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah, I didn't listen to it. I mean I still
have a hard time listening to it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
I don't really listen to it like that, right, because
you got all those songs, was like very into meate.
I was like we were, you know, between me and him.
Ben Rico, he was in the studio together like all
the time. Yeah, so much. So, Like I remember when
we when I first signed him, and I used to
always be like, yo, let's go to the studio, studio, studio.
He used to be like, why do you want me

(01:01:23):
to go to the studio? So and I'd be like, like,
how do you think this war? I'm saying how to create?
But once he once he realized that and he saw
you know, the music coming out, like how it was
coming out and how good it was, you know, he
would he didn't want to leave the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Right because me the WU two came out before he passed,
right before in February seventh, and Christopher Walken it's just
even with that. We made that, and we made a
lot of those songs in the Bahamas because that was
the point.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
So here was the thing, right. There was a period
in time where he was working like every day, like
I mean, he would be Remember he also had like
court cases, so his days would be like on Monday
he'd have a court case and then on Tuesday he'd
have a We'd go to London and he'd do a
show on Wednesday and then come back on Thursday for

(01:02:13):
a court case. On Friday Saturday, we go to la
for a studio session. And this went off for like months,
you know what I'm saying. So I told him, I said,
I was like, Yo, this these next six months is
going to be like super grueling. But at the end
of the year, like I'll take you on vacation, you
know what I'm saying, on vacation, and if you want
to record, like we can. We can go to like
the Bahamas or wherever you want to go, and we'll

(01:02:33):
just make for studios there and like you can record,
you cannot record. So we decided to go to Bahamas
and there was a studio out there that we booked
and he was just recording out there. So Christopher Walking
came from one of those sessions and he made it.
When he made it, I was like, this is so fine.
We got to put it out tomorrow. And that's what
we did. Like I think he might have made the

(01:02:53):
song on like a Wednesday, and we put it out
on like Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Wow, it definitely took on the life of its loan,
Like I love so like that just it's not for
the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Yeah, I was just like, yo, this is so fire.
And we did everything that that night we did the
because I forgot what it was called before, but I
was like, yeah, we should call a Christopher Walking and
we should we should recreate the King, because I like,
you can't be like so uh in your face with it,
like oh, I'm the King of New York. I gotta
be like subtle, like saying most people don't need most

(01:03:23):
people your age don't even know. Because he didn't even
know the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
I was like, we didn't even know the movie. Movie
is super old, rightly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
So I was just like, Yo, we're gonna put your
face on it, and we're just like imply and I
mean people that I know, you know what I'm saying.
So it worked out to walking, and yeah, exactly, it
was perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
So yeah, are there any plans to release any more
prossimous projects with Pop?

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
I don't think so. I feel like the fans just
go so crazy, you know what I'm saying, Like they
just go to boom brazy with it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
It'll be in your comments, yea.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
And I'm like trying to say something to drop some
more exact nobody has time for, Like it's insane, you know,
they like just critique it so much and he's not
here to.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
So it's kind of just like, yeah, how did you
feel about that backlash with the cover for Faith, Like
it seems like you took a more proactive approach with FAV.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I feel like that was bullshit, you know what I'm
say because at the end of the day, it's like
because people don't know, right, people sit back and they
think that they know, but they don't know shit. They're like, oh,
this is not Like I'm like, what are you talking about?
Like when we did fucking the video for Shake the Room,
like that whole concept and idea was like Virgil's idea

(01:04:40):
and when we would when we were going through the process,
like at first, Pop was like, don't you know, I
don't know because you know, he had never had a
video like that. He was like, I don't know, but
he trusted Virgil's vision, so it would have been the
same thing for like these guys is created and creatives.
You can't, like Nigga, if you could do a better
cover than you should, And that's when they were doing it.
I'm like, move this shit, you know what I mean, Like,

(01:05:04):
this is this bullshit? You know, it's just like it's
pure nonsense. But you got at some point you did
acquiesce and just give the fans what they wanted though, right, Yeah,
but because it just it just took a life of
its own, you know what I'm saying. It was just
like why I put Virgil through this, why I put
Pops family through this is kind of just like because

(01:05:24):
by the way, if he was alive, it's been like,
fuck off, you're not jacking to cover cool, right, you
know what I'm saying. It's all about the music and
the end of the day, Yeah, like this is my cover.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
That's what it would have been, you know what I'm saying, Right,
But he wasn't here to defend it, so we kind
of you know, how did you operate?

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
You know, found the pass in the Virgil obviously he
had an impactful rolling your.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Guys is Yeah, I mean I'm doing Virgil a long time.
We met during Dark Twisted Times, right Yeah that was
like two thousand tens. When did Dark Tis to come out?
Twenty ten? Yeah, So I've known Virgil a long time
and he's we've been friends, and you know, even with
like Pop, I was like, yeah, I signed this kid
from New York, you know we should It went from

(01:06:09):
like him creative directing some ship to him doing a video.
But it was just like very I don't know. I
mean that was like because Pop past and vergins. Just yeah,
it was like almost like back to back almost like yeah,
so you're looking at pictures and it's like poping Virgil
in the picture and they're both not here. You know. Yeah,

(01:06:29):
it's very very tough, right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
I see a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
Of pictures with Pharrell though, you know, he got the
new creative situation over at Louis Vuitton.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
What do you make about that? I think it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
It was like Valentine's Day or something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Yeah, because that's the thing, like Pharrell is like all
about like love and pushing the culture for it and
helping people and like he's done so much for me,
you know, you know, and you got to remember and
he was the first nigga with it was the first
thing in that seat before anyone was you know what
I'm saying, before anyone of our our culture. That was

(01:07:05):
he had the campaign with the fur on and remember
like the millionaire Yeah, and that changed the game. So
I think it's fitting, you know, super fitning. It's just
like I'm sure you're gonna have some input in listen.
You know, we'd be in Paris and listen. Whatever. Whatever

(01:07:27):
we on is what we're on. Like you know what
I mean, Like when Frell was fucking with Chanelle, it's
all Chanelle, you know, now it's LV you know. You
know what I'm saying, Victor, you know, so yeah, I'm
very like i feel like I'm a creative, but I'm
just saying, we're just so happy for him, like everybody's

(01:07:49):
just you know, like everybody's celebrating as if it's because
for has done so much for all of us. He's
the most giving person. You feel me like he's and
he's just you know, it's pell and then as everybody else. Yeah,
let's not forget. Let's not play around. You know what
I'm saying. We'll get out of here, though. I need

(01:08:10):
to get some insight on DJ drama and push your
t give us some insight. You know. It's like dramas
fire pushes. It's just like it's energy, you know what
I'm saying, Like you know the songs is going to be,
but you know what that energy is with when you
know what I'm saying, it's going to be Freestyles original recordings,
we would get a hybrid hybrid n you know what

(01:08:33):
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Are there actual songs done?

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah? Yeah? Okay, oh Scott, you think it's not coming out?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
No even about the theory, I'm like, we have like
five six records done, Like what's the status of it?

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Yeah, we got records doing. Ok So this summer is
going to be a hot summer. Yeah, but does it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Feel like like you know all to say, well, that
feels like a mixtape. It feels like an album right
like and pushes or to set the standard of album.
Is it going to evoke that same sort of feeling?
But does a lot of kind of go a little
bit more?

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Nah? Listen not me and my Like we the avengers
of the flee. So anything we do is gonna protect flyness,
whether it's closed music, you know saying you feel's think
about it right acts like you know, we're protecting the
flea Like it's like means and we got an Nego

(01:09:31):
album coming out to another one? Nice? Okay? Is that
coming to ship too this year? Yeah? A hot simmer ship?
Does that mean a new Clips album on the way too?
You see how Tank came out with the purple hearts
and all that. You know what I'm saying, what are
you saying? I'm saying what to be saying? Just know

(01:09:51):
if you don't know, I'm just saying, like, you know,
I think what did the purple hearts signify? Purple hearts signify?
What are signify?

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Gouty should notice I'm jowing a blank helped me out, Steve.
I mean, don't you get that when you oh, when
you go to war and you you know, you win, right,
oh oh oh, right, gotcha, you get a purple Heart
from the military. Yeah, for your servant services, extraordinary service,
extraordinary service in battle in combat. Yeah, Like I was

(01:10:22):
saying about, you know, it's like a zero some game,
Like it's like somebody when somebody loses. You know what
I'm saying, you flee, but I'm more flee. You know
what I'm saying. You got you know that you got this,
but I got the one of four of the same thing.
And you don't you know unless you know this is
another level of that. You're speaking jay Z right now.

(01:10:52):
You know what I'm saying. Absolutely, it's like, oh, where
did you get that from?

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
If you know, you know, you know what I'm saying,
I got you, Steve, Steven Victor has the hunger for more.
Man's that player. I feelt we got the we got
the real Stephen Victor. People get to see it's only right, man,
it's only right. Or well, thank you brother, I'm glad
you finally did this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
Man. Yeah, so good me and push. You're gonna be
good after this. Yeah? What what did you say? What happened?
We'll see why? Why did you ask that? What I'm saying,
you know about the rapper thing and oh biggas you
said you put some rapper listen, but you're it's you're
saying like he's in the conversation. Definitely not five absolutely,
So it's at that point it's like subjective, it's what

(01:11:37):
you prefer for the most part. Even though you're saying
it's objective, it's also there's some subjectivity in there. I
try to be objective and yeah, but there's some of
it in there. There's some of what you prefer. Sure
nobody can. He can't knock you for that. You know
what I'm saying, Like if you would have been like, oh,
he's like number twenty one and all these other trash
niggas is ahead of him, then he might have a
problem with you. But you're saying, you're making sense. I

(01:12:01):
love Push Love.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I think I think the Push of Drama is my
personal most anticipated project because.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
It's going to be, like you said, like an album,
you gotta craft it a certain way, like something with drama,
you can have a little more fun with it. And
I feel like when you haven't, like I take it
back to what you were asking me earlier about like,
you know, working with different people, like it gotta be fun.
So if if if it's no level of like fun
on love in the equation, then it's pointless, Like you're

(01:12:30):
never gonna be able to get anything out of it,
you know what I'm saying, Like I always say, and
you know, people kind of not make fun of me
for it, but because I you know, I don't want
to say I have a love for material things. But
like I said, I love flee shit, I love fire ship.
But I always say that, you know, everything is always
for love, not for money, you know what I'm saying.

(01:12:51):
Obviously the money is going to come from it, and
it seems like it's a contradictory statement because I'm like, oh,
this is this and then there's like the one to
fourth version of it, but not it's like it's always
for love, you know what I'm saying. I feel like
when you're having fun, like to think what you're saying
about drama the drama tape, Like he's gonna be having
fun with it, so I feel like it'll be more enjoyable,

(01:13:12):
you know what I'm saying. Like, I feel like when
you're making an album, not to say it's like stressful,
but you want to make sure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
That it's like super meticulous.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Everything is like perfect, you know what I'm saying. But
when you're doing a mixtape, like you know, you're fucking
around and you're competing, and I feel like when you're competing,
just like when we're talking about with like with Tank
and the Ryan fight, I'm like, if you're watching the
fight and you see his face, you're like, oh, he's
having fun in there, so he's about to That's why
I didn't think it was gonna end in the seventh round,
because I saw he was having fun. So he was

(01:13:40):
just like, I'm gonna carry him a little and then
I'm gonna get him a body here and like nine
at ten, but I'm gonna have some fun because I'm
like enjoying the game. I'm in control, but I'm also
enjoying it. You know, Like if you watch the fight right, like,
you know, he was standing in front of Rye and
Tank was and He's just like Ryan couldn't hit him,
you know, And when he did hit him, he was like, oh,
Scooby snacks. You know what I'm saying. But it's like

(01:14:01):
you could tell he was like enjoyed himself. You know.
Like whenever people, like whether it's like an artist or athletes,
start enjoying themselves, I feel like that's when you get
that's when the fire comes out, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Stevid Victim Man, I appreciate you coming through man success brother,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
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