Rap Radar: Tyler, The Creator

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, rap Ate Up podcast, Elliott Wilson. Can you believe it?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are back? They gave us a season two. That's
a tough negotiation. But how you feel?

Speaker 1 (00:10):
I feeling great, man, I'm happy to be back. They
said we can only come back the rap rate. Our
boys going to come back if they get these A
listers up up to date. Man, get these get this
talent right right.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I think the first one is a good one. Tyler
the creative man be that.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Only took me ten years to interview this guy again.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Man, this is my first time interviewing.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Actually, I credit you, man, because you know what I saw, man.
You guys became bessies at the Rock Nation Brunch.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Man, the Rock Nation Brunch with Dreams Come True. It's
so cool because I saw him we talked about in
an interview, but you know, I saw him in the
cut just hiding from people, Like what the fuck is.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
This gonna hiding?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
And I didn't even introduce myself. I didn't, you know,
I say hey, my name's Beat. I just say, yo,
what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
He's like I'm hiding from everybody?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Like okay, And then we had a really cool conversation
after that.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
He respects your waves. You respect the waves.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
And I also respect his encyclopedic knowledge of music because
we got into a conversation about the hej was playing
Heartbreaker from Mariah carry jay Z and we were debating
on the year that it came out.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I said ninety seven. He was like, no, it's ninety nine.
I'll put my house on it. I say, for real.
Then we googled it and he was right. He was right.
He's serious about that.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
He'd be like, I love the Brandy album track nine. Yeah, man,
he's And I think that that record was might have
been Jay's first actual number one as a feature, like
the first number one record. They didn't have a number
one solo record to empire state of Mind, so I
know that Heartbreaker was number on record.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Everybody remembers doing the.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Scarface right, yeah, the tub and all that. But yeah, man,
it was just a great vibe. Man like to be
able to finally kick it with Tyler, like he dropped
the deluxe version call Me If You Get Lost, If
You Get Lost, so much good material on there, and
it was like he chose us as the outlet to
talk about that. He has not done any other interviews.
It's what we call the old school beat out. Remember

(01:52):
the magazine Game An exclusive exclusives that possible twenty twenty three.
Today it is, Yes, it's possible today.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Man. So we can't take him enough.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Shout to Chris Clancy, shout to his amazing team, that
Kelly Clancy the wife. Yeah, man, I just it just
was so cool to kick it with. And they wouldn't leave, right,
He try to kick with us all day.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Man, it won't be our friend. After we finally spoke
to him, I wasn't mad at him.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
You know, I think Tyler's also a great guest because
he's he knows what he wants to talk about. You know,
he has a lot of conversation and he's just just
a great guest. He's talkative. That's what you also want
from a good person.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
And you feel like with you know, beat Out, we
know these beat Out lists, we know hard you are
on these mcs. But his growth is I mean you've
sort of realized now, like, wow, this guy's really in
the conversation like it is. He should be in those
top echelon MC talk stations that happen.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I think it's only right. I mean, also, when you
think about La artists. I don't think he gets the credit.
Evid comes up, doesn't make everybody like yo. So I
think it's a good conversation to be had. I don't
think he wants to have it, but nonetheless.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
And then maybe we'll get in by to his little festival.
I heard that's popping this ship. He's coming back Straw
with his little, little, big festival. Now that went from
like the Arking lot to Dodger Stadium.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, man, we asked him about that too. He was
kind of dodging it. But you know, no pun intended.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
No pun intended. Man. But we're excited. Man, what a
way to kickoff season two.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
I'm excited. Let's get into a guy, get into a
man tality, creative man, the one and only podcasts. Yeah yeah,
rap right up podcasts. Elliott Wilson spat out, beat out,
what's up?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
A good This is special man. Y'all dos y'all niggas
been with each other in the last two hours and
they just said, Hi, that was crazy high talent the creator.
How are you, sir? I'm awesome. I can't believe you're here, man,
long time coming. It's not that shocking. I respect you

(03:43):
and you were one of the first to embrace what
I was doing early on, and a lot of people
can argue aw blogs and everyone's embracing you, but it
wasn't a spectacle with you. You were genuinely curious in
me as a person. So thank you for that and
for the state Seale. I didn't want to do any

(04:05):
press or interviews or anything, but I was like, you
know what, let me do one. And it was specifically
I told Clinty and Kelly, like, I want to do
this one because I respect you so much. And I
met you well. We ran into each other when I
was hiding at the Rock Nation store in the corner.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
He was trying to protect like.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Behind a bush, and me and him hung out for
like forty three minutes, and I was like, man, not
only does he have really pretty waves, like because this
ship was on point. I really enjoyed his company. Although
this nigga did not have socks on with his shoes
with the suit and I snicked photos. Yeah, he was

(04:49):
doing the top of me too. We had the chest out.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, you know it was look he looked great though.
He had a chest burgundy, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I had I had a green suit and a green suit. Yeah, yeah,
So what made you.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Re visit this album and then add these elements to it?
I mean you already want to grammy God damn it,
like the Estate cell.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Well, this is the first. Usually I make albums is
like I work on the same like fourteen songs, fifteen songs,
but this one I started December twenty nineteen and made
so many songs. Again, it was like a mixtape. So
I'm rapping over New York shit by Busta, can't you
see by Total Throw. I gotta throw some DSE versions

(05:29):
so I'm just hitt and hidden versus just getting into
the mold. And it was a lot of things that
didn't make it. So Originally I wanted to put The
Estate Sell out August twenty twenty one, but I just
didn't go through with it, and then I wanted to
put it out before tour twenty twenty two in February.

(05:52):
Didn't want to put it out August twenty twenty two
when I got off a tour to figure it out
and shoot the last things, and I didn't. Then find
really got to finish it and you know, put it out,
but the album dropped in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Right, most rappers would be on the fifth project by now, right,
But why do you think this album has had such
a great shelf life?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
One, I'm good, but two I don't know. I think
talent always just speaks and like lives longer than anything,
especially today, Like everyone's thinking of numbers and moments and things.
But I put the State sell out and there's people
who hit me saying yo, like I really wasn't fucking

(06:34):
with the album at first, and me revisiting like I
have better contacts, I'm in a different place in my life.
I actually really like it now and I'm like, oh,
that's great, and I think it's just good, good music.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
And it also made history being the first and only
album that hit number one hip hop and R and
B charts in three different years, Like do you pay
attention to that?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
That's super cool? But none of that. I I got
to a point where numbers truly kind of don't even
mean anything because you can't really have a metric for uh,
who's really watching cultural relevance things like that, you could
be the biggest artist in the world, but no one

(07:19):
wants to dress like you or watch your interviews, And
it could be the other way around. People could want
to emulate your style and things like that, but no
one really listens to your songs. When I put dog
Tooth out, say on Instagram and got like a million likes,
and two days later I put Sorry Not Sorry out

(07:43):
it got seven hundred likes. Right, if you only look
at Instagram, you would think, oh, people not fucking with
this more than dog Tooth, right numbers, Sorry not Sorry
got three point seven million views in twenty four hours
on YouTube, where dog Tooth only got like one point
three So on YouTube, Sorry not Sorry it's more the thing.

(08:05):
But if you only look at Instagram you would think
it was the opposite. And while that's interesting, YouTube has
been down because TikTok is up, and to battle that,
they put out this thing called shorts because YouTube is
now a long form thing. Now, if you have a
two minute video like that's a long form thing. So
to get that many views on a song like that

(08:29):
on YouTube when TikTok and Instagram is the highest thing
is like wow, which made me think, like none of
these numbers even matter because what are we basing this
metric on? Again? So and so could get ten million
views in a week I'll have this video peek at
a certain million views and just kind of stay there.
But again, I could tour and do a bunch of

(08:53):
other things. So like the number thing, I just I
really don't even I'm at a point where I don't
really like that conversation because you know, I fucking hate
rap Twitter. Like I hate rap Twitter. Some fucking twenty
year old white kid in Minnesota that just wants engagement,
that has no context and didn't grow with this music

(09:14):
that's shaping how younger kids think about it. I really
hate rap Twitter. And like, I bring that up because
you have rap Twitter and you just want engagement, so
you'll say something stupid like little Pooky Dookie is more
important than anything jay Z's done or whatever, just for engagement,
And then he does that. So people just argue in it.

(09:36):
They're not actually talking about the song. They like the lyric,
they like the music, the musicians, the music at all.
Then they start arguing. Then they start bringing up numbers, right,
they start bringing up numbers, so and so sold this
that has nothing to do with how you feel about it.
They just start bringing up numbers. So then when that's
the main conversation on Twitter about numbers views, a Spotify

(09:59):
fucking count popular songs. This is underrated, This is overrated.
What do you think of my top five? Like the
conversation becomes the that conversation becomes a focal point for
some nineteen year old who's making music now, who's now
worried about who's in it. When it's in this room,

(10:20):
it's like, fuck, I need this to go viral on
whatever platform. Oh fuck I put my song out and
it only got this many views. Fuck, I'm a failure.
It's like, dude, it affects the art. Yeah, it affects
the art. And it's like, dude, call me if you
get lost. Went platinum in January this year. Yeah, like
it just it went platinum like a few months ago.

(10:41):
And people will be like, bro, I saw comming. Someone's
like that's it, And I'm like, you're worried about the
time frame of the success, Like that's crazy. Right. It's
this kid named Jordan Ward. He has a song called
White Crocs that I really like. And I saw the
video when it was at twenty nine thousand and now
I think it's at like three hundred thousand views, and

(11:04):
I'm so proud of that because the song's good, and
I'm like, bro, I don't see this dude on fucking
hype beast, on academics, on his thing, and he's finding
success within what he put out. And I hope he's
not on label calls and they're like, we need something
to go viral, we need bigger numbers of that. I

(11:24):
hope he sees the success that that is having. I
don't even know if that has anything to do with it,
but to me, that two hundred thousand views that went
up in the last few months, to me is like, man,
keep that shit going, kid, And I hope the kids
that's making music or the people the adults that's making
music don't let these numbers fuck with their creativity and

(11:46):
things like that, because it's so many people like Haul
of Notes, who didn't pop until their fourth album, and
who is really important. It's the fucking the Ramones who
fucking flopped a thousand times. It's Jimmy Iveen thought, in
my mind was a fucking failure. And you can't look
at an archive page without that era being on it.

(12:07):
So I hope the kids that's watching this shit, or
the adults watching this that's forty that wants to start
a clothing line or sew closed or make carpets or whatever.
Don't allow the numbers and the metrics that is so
important now to fuck up what can end up being
one of the greatest things ever.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I think the key Sorry.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
For that tangent. I just truly hate that shit. And again,
numbers matter to the people it matters to. It's great
I have a number one this and platinum this because
I could go to a fucking smart water and the
fucking sixty year old dude who runs the budgets and
the company who doesn't know shit about me when he
does a quick google, Oh he has these accolades. It

(12:50):
makes him interested enough to even get a conversation with me.
So then I can be creative and create a new bottle.
So that's when that type of stuff is important for
the people that it would matter to, who don't have
time to give a fuck if I could play three
instruments or not. Right.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
It also mmeds be that clip that went viral where
you was talking about how you know you're just gonna
put your song up one time, You're not gonna promote y'all.
But I'll say the thing about it was attracted with you,
was like, like, you can tell you why you talk
about your music, how passionate that you are about the
music that you create, so you stand on it. You
know a lot of time you love to strow records out,
and they wanted to pop off. But I think that's
the difference where if someone like you really is connected

(13:26):
to it and you're so prideful of what you're creating,
you're gonna rep it.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
You're gonna rep it. I promote the fuck out that shit,
and they got to put dog tooth in my story. Twitter.
Nigga texts my niece in a thousand times like I'm
still how dare you disrespect yourself and not remind folks
like no, this is what I do. Not everyone, Nigga,

(13:50):
COVID happened, People got kids, families, motherfuckers dying. Everyone don't
got the time to always check something out, you know.
I mean, this is the first time more we have
this and could be instantly available our brain. That's fucking
however long humans have had, this is new. Nigga's been

(14:11):
picking berries and cutting cows up for years. We got
that a lot, but this is new. So if you
text me right now and I see it, and a
fucking squirrel runs by, and I forget. It's not a
bad thing. Just the human brain is new, and we
forget that you text me, So I might not remember

(14:34):
for a week or two weeks with everything dropping on
Fridays and clips and our attention span and fucking emails
and you gotta feed your dog, dude. People don't got
time to remember that I dropped an album or a
new song or anything. So it is my job as
an artist to not only put my stuff out there,

(14:54):
but also, hey y'all, by the way I put new
stuff out. I put this out. Da da da da da,
and that shit should keep going for months after absolutely.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
But speaking of this album called we Forget a little
you said while you were on tour, the album was
inspired by Q Tip's solo debut Amplified, Right, Like, what
were some things about that project that you drew from
creating this pro man?

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I wouldn't exist without come on, like q Tip is
truly the Yoda of the pocket that I existed Amplified.
You gotta think he was, like, you know, you had
native tongues and all this stuff, and you had like

(15:34):
Wu tang and you had like NWA and then you
had like the intellectual what Kaas won and then was
doing so at that time you eighteen, you find in
your pocket that you're gonna live in and Q tipping
them backpack dudes, fucking tied ice shirts and stuff, wearing

(15:56):
beads and shit. It's really important fast forward aside from
the music that's coming out, you know, let's say, what
is that beat rhyman life, that shit what came out
ninety six? Q Tip's making some money, He's traveling the world,
He's able to buy nice things, He's able to probably

(16:20):
be around beautiful women and just do awesome things. And
him hanging out at a club in Paris or Capri
or Atlanta or a different part of New York with
these beautiful women and he leaves and gets inside of
his awesome car listening to fucking Marvin Gay or whatever.

(16:44):
That's his true lifestyle that he lives. That might not
be mirrored in what him and five and shit Heat
is doing on a Tribe album. So Amplify to me
was reflective of what he really be living like through
Q Tip Breathe and stop and vibrant thing is just

(17:05):
the mirror of him going to these clubs and just
want to dance and live his life. And then Let's
Ride is old to him being in a really nice
car and just listening to music he loves. That's also
the first video I saw with the LMO two Lamborghini
truck and him and busses in it. That's like a
rare car and I'm like, Oh, Q Tip is making

(17:27):
an album an environment that's really his life. And I
believe when that came out, a lot of the backpacker
dudes was like, what the fuck is he doing? What
is he doing? But it's like, you like the version
of q Tip you think you know, but this is
actually him now at his most honest and call me
if you get lost. That mirror the way that I

(17:48):
truly live is that version of that. And q Tip
make the blueprint for that to happen, for in my
mind to happen. For calling if you get lost happened.
And I want to just pay my respects to q
tip for laying that blueprint down.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Because at least always say like Rick Ross does like
luxury wrap and it's feel like certain extent, that's a
lot of your content right now. Like you talk about
your list, do you talk about that green Rose voice.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
A lot, yet not shit rolling around like.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
What you get criticism for that someone something like you said,
let's be some kid on Twitter be like he may
not like the new talent that wraps about all the
nice things he has. And I think you have one
line where you say, you know, some white folks may
be offended, but the black folks it could be aspirational.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well yeah, it's all it's all context. I you know,
I sometimes I'm looking at these kids, it's like angry
at it. It's like, bro, I I've been super financially
turned since I was nineteen years old. You think I'm
just riding around in a fucking but like still, what
if talking about use your fucking brand? And I'm always

(18:54):
liked vehicles, but you know, they like Tyler talking about
the Beamer, but when Time talks about the Rose or
it's like, okay, you're a hypocrite. Like they're both vehicles.
You can't pick and choose. But you know, some kids
think it's inspirational and anwar. My friend who I've known
for fifteen years, man, he loves seeing this stuff because

(19:15):
he knows we was walking up and down fair in
fact to the brand. So he loves seeing me able
to even talk about these things, knowing the music im
making where we come from. And for some people they're like,
this is that big, this is superficial, you just like
all the other rappers, but the context behind it. I
literally looked at the video two days ago when I
first got my roles. My mom thought it was a rental.

(19:37):
She didn't know she I have the video. She was
fucking crying when she realized it was mine, And to me,
I'm like, the fuck you crying for you? Weird though
it's not that serious. And time goes by and you
get older and you start hanging out with your parents
realizing they're just people. Dude. I learned so much about
her life and upbringing that I didn't know, which made

(19:57):
me give, which gave me more context of like, oh,
that's why she's always super proud and just fucking crying
on the phone saying this and that she can't believe
we have this, like because she grew up different. So
the kid who thinks me having these things, thinking it's
just vapid or stupid or you're just like any other rapper.
On the other side of that, you have this fifty

(20:19):
three year old woman who like can't even grasp the
concept that something that fucking she farted out of her
is able to have these things because she didn't have
Like so it's really interesting. And that's why I said.
White kids say I bragged too much, the black kids
say it's inspiring. The duality tiring, that's what that means.

(20:40):
So and you mentioned your mom.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
I feel like one of the most point records is
the Sorry and I'm Sorry, like you know, touching on
so many things with that song, like that song is
there's a lot of impact just in that one song,
Like what made you go there with it? Like what
get all that stuff out?

Speaker 2 (20:53):
It was idea I had twenty twenty one when I
did it, and it was kind of all over the place,
and I never really finished it until after the album
came out. And I don't know, like a week after
the album came out, I just literally went to the
studio and like finished it. Was like, oh, those are

(21:15):
the four random lines that were missing. I forgot which ones,
but I finished it. And it's such a condescending song
because it's me like saying sorry but like I'm not
and giving context to why you know, my mom she
always wants to spend more time, but it's like I'm
always busy, and that's what I'm like, I'm sorry I

(21:36):
don't see you more. I'm sorry that the you know,
I'll spend an hour with her and it feels like
a chore because I'm like, the fuck I got an
interview on twenty minute of the day and she's like, nigga,
fuck that. I just want to kick it with my
kid and I have a sister and we're not the closest.
It's not a bad thing, but I'm like, damn, I'm sorry.
We're not as close as the idea of what some

(21:59):
brother sisters are like. And then I like it. So
that's what that is. It's me just like, hey, that's life, nigga.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Some of it's like some of its genuine apology and
some of its sarcasm.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, like some of us like eat my whole pussy.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
Can you talk about the treatment of that video, because
it's like there's different stages of you in your career.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Right, Yeah, I dude, I had that video idea in
twin on me one. When I first made the rough
draft of the song, I was like, oh, this will
be super sick and it's one of those things where
I'm like with Tara and Punch, those are that's my
DP and video producer who we've I've been with since Yonkers,
and every like three months I'm like, yo, I'm a

(22:43):
regret not doing this, and they're like, come on, let's
fucking do it, and it's shit happing it as I
And finally it was like, yo, we can't not do
this video. I do not want to be forty three
with a fucking seven year old running around like fuck,
I should have did the video. So we got it
done and literally the day before we shot it almost candid,

(23:06):
almost candid literally because I was like, it's a hair
away from being creative and corny is like sometimes right here,
and I was like, it's a hair away from being
a little cornball. But I changed something last minute. It
ended up being like one of my best videos. Fuck

(23:27):
video is one of my best offerings as an artist
or whatever to date, and I'm so happy we fucking
went through with that, and that was our longest shoot.
That was our longest fucking She ain't leave that bitch
to like two am right, ponk. She was crazy and.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Your mom's in the video too. She makes a little quicker.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Nigga, that's not mama. I cast a nigga that I
was like, oh that was mom. Duke's no, no, no,
I don't. I try to keep family as private as possible.
Did not put her in the video. So niggas, you
can lead a comment like, oh my god, I thought

(24:06):
that was Tyler Mama. I don't know that lady.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
But at the end of the video, Tyler Bowler got
beat to a buddy bloody pope, right, like, who was
that PERSONA?

Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's just me. That's just just me, the nigga that
wakes up in the morning like, oh damn, I got
a piss.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
It's me bear, So call we got lost. We get
introduced to this guy, Tyler bowl Like, who's this guy?
Who's this origin story? Like where's he come from?

Speaker 2 (24:34):
A lot of folks think that the name boud Layer
comes from the poet nigga. I don't know shit about that, nigga.
It's this show called Limity, Snigkets and Unfortunate Events. It's
this book I used to read when I was in
eighth grade and Jim Carrey did the movie See eighth
Grade two thousand and four. I think the movie came
out two thousand and five with Jim Carrey. Sorry, I'm

(24:56):
gonna have to google that. That's correct.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
That's what we you do. Want to wrap Raid Up podcast.
We fact checked journalism. Gotta make sure it's right. A
lot of people said online that they thought it was
like The Poet or something.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I don't know that I came out December seventeen, two
thousand and four, but I've seen it in two thousand
and five. Yeah, I and the kids are called their
last name, they're called the Bode Layers, and I really
really love their dynamic because they're like orphans, but like
they still get shit done. And the dynamic is you

(25:29):
have one who is the idea person who knows they're
the idea person. They don't try to build shit, they
don't try like they're the idea person. And you have
the brother who's like, Okay, I'm gonna figure out all
the information to get it done like a producer like
and I love that he stays in his pocket. And

(25:49):
then the baby is the builder and go the fuck
by the idea. They just execute it. And I really
love that dynamic. And I love that show a lot.
And I always thought they had this regal sense to them,
even though niggas have no parents, but they travel and
have all this information. And I was so enamored with

(26:10):
it that I just put Tyler Boda lair just I
think in like an Instagram bio one day, just for fun,
and I realized, like, oh, that's me when I'm flying
the Monaco to watch convention or so and so to
go swimming, Like I don't know, that's what it felt like.

(26:30):
So that's what I ran with.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Oh okay, I know you did igor in Italy. Where
did you record this album at.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
So comic to get lost? Mostly during COVID at my
house in my goddamn living room. Yeah, it was traveling nowhere.
Uh no, no, and it's fucked up. Like my personal
twenty twenty was fucking awesome, awesome, some of the best

(26:57):
times in my life because we had nothing. All you
had was like you couldn't fly nowhere, you couldn't really
buy shit, and we was just hanging out at the
bear core human shit, just biking and like going to
the park, going to the beach, just playing chess, listening
to music, joking. It was like some of the best

(27:18):
times in my life and it's so interesting that not
having everything was everything. It was the weirdest the ecotomy,
like I loved it. Twenty twenty was so good and
I was making this album at that same time.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
What was the experience like to live out your dream
and make this cakes to grills and work with Drama, Like.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Dude, Drama is so awesome. He's so funny. He's so funny.
This nigga ordered tortilla soup from Chick fil A and
that's so fucking crazy to me. I have video of it.
I meant to put it out and he says it
so cool, like, yeah, I ordered tortilla soup from Chick
fil A, And I'm like, you're crazy. And it's the
only nigga on earth that's still wearing his hat like this.

(28:00):
It's fucked well him and Punch actually, but it's truly remarkable.
But man, two thousand and six was such an important year,
at least in LA. I don't know how it was
for y'all. Wherever the fuck y'all was at. You was
probably on the stoops somewhere in New York. But that's
rapper racist br dude. Two thousand and six was so special,

(28:25):
like so with La ice Cream Team came out, and
what that shit did for sect or black kids that
didn't want to like gang bang or play sports. You
had these niggas really just like skateboard and just I
don't know, just kind of being weird niggas wearing orange
and pinks and greens and shit. And at the same

(28:47):
time ATL came out. So you have the Southern guys
like dro and Ti and stuff, wearing like colorful polos
with their chains and their big jean shorts and like
they hats like this, and they old schools were like
big rims and beating it. And you had some of
that in La. But at the same time, Ralph Florin

(29:09):
and Lacosse there's stuff from two thousand and five, thousand
and six, Poust seven was there, was making these colorful polos,
these bright colors for men, these blues, these lime greens,
these oranges, and then hot Thorn, where I grew up,
the uniform stores that would sell just like, oh, you're

(29:29):
going to a private school, you need the navy pantsa
da da They would sell the fake versions of these
Lacosts in these rolth Florin polos. So instead of it
being like sixty five seventy five at Macy's. You go
to the little hood spot, you could get that same
one for like thirty two bucks. Right, So in the
where I grew up, you just had like these wild

(29:50):
like niggas that you know, be with the shits, but
in like pink and orange and like these colorful polos
riding around the like whatever TI or like the new
Little Wayne mixtapes and shit, they little beat up in pilots,
but they save they little scrap up to put rims
on it. And where I grew up at like it's

(30:10):
low buildings, wide streets. Sun is always hitting. So it
was a super saturated, colorful era as I'm remembering. So
you got that, and then MTV is still playing music
and you know we still watch that, so we have Subterranean.
It's a TV show that play indie rock. So you

(30:31):
got like you're getting your silver some pickups, you're getting
your Fallout BOYD, You're getting your gym class heroes. You're
getting all of this mixed with what P and Ego
is doing, mixed with what like the Atlanta Southern shit
that's going on. So you got this hybrid of things
that's going on still it's La so you got the
crumping shit that's going on. It's such an interesting, robust,

(30:57):
colorful moment. And DJ drama was everywhere, you know. Of
course it wasn't Billboard. That's again why numbers don't matter.
The Pack I don't know if you know the Pack
pod be, but they had a song called Vans that
was a fucking number one smash, at least in Los
Angeles because everyone had a fucking sidekick. So that was
going on, and you had shows like Your Mama and

(31:21):
TV and like, ah, it was such a special time.
And I've always wanted to do a gangster grill, so
finally when I got to do the gangster grills, I
think subconsciously the super pastelle or robust, saturated, colorful energy
from that I associate him with is what I put
into this album because that six and Los Angeles was

(31:44):
just so it felt like this room, right, So such
a good fucking time.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, I think he was telling me that when you
first approached him, you had even like sketched out like
places of stuff he had said in the past and
different parts of songs before even.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Oh yeah, before he came, I went, dude, I was
downloading the most random gangster grills I've ever, taking bits
of his voice from as much as I could find
and just placing it throughout my hour long version of
the album, just so I could hear his tone in

(32:19):
the shape of how I'm gonna put him everywhere. So
when I played it for him, he was confused. He's like,
where the fuck did you get that voice from? Or
what I needed to do that to make sure tonally
and sonically, I wanted you for sure here and it worked.
What's your favorite? Uh talk?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Pointing like he just random just holiday season.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Like that man is crazy. Like people don't know that
man is out of his goddamn mine, Like he don't
just wear his hat like this, he thinks like this.
So it's outtakes a ship that I ain't even put
on there that this nigga is saying some crazy shit.
He was like, we just woke up on the pj hah,
y'all should call me DJ putdram because because I'm in

(33:02):
my pajamas and I'm like, he's not like a comedian,
He's not joking. He meant like this man is a psychopath.
He's really like that. He's really like he's really like
that I can't believe I just said that in a
serious tone. But we on the boat toes out just
Fami Friends, Vanilla ice Cream. But he's good at what

(33:25):
he does. He don't just go and say gr like,
he'll listen to the song and really find a pocket
and understand the shape, like he knows the tone of
his voice so well. And to have that sensibility isn't
shocking because he's a DJ. When you're a DJ, you
have to have a sensibility of the crowd and how
people react and move and things like that. So when
you really look take a step back, it's not that
shocking of why he's good at that because he knows

(33:47):
what works. He knows a transition, he knows the human ear.
It's it's an interesting thing and I think he deserves
more credit of how he approaches it because that takes years.
He's from Philly.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
And then when we got with him, he played us
the album and the only song hadn't been done was
the intro that you were going to do, And he
was telling me he was gonna.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Do the intro. Yeah, I do the intro and I
didn't finish, and I did it, and then I played
a little bit of bas on it because it didn't
have much low end. And yeah, I originally he sent
the beat that Canon did, but it had drums on it,
and those drums are fucking terrible. I was like, take
these fucking drums out. He was like you sure. I'm like, yeah,
these drums are terrible, and he sent it back without

(34:27):
the drums, and I was like, if this is gonna be,
the intro has to feel and sound like an intro.
So we just left it there, and I felt for
myself obligated to just give a bit of history lesson.
That's what I said, Once upon a time two thousand
and six, if I had to guess, we baby was
prusing to us. He was the best. I was kick
pushing him. Diamond dollars right on my feet. Push came

(34:48):
out that year, and ice cream diamond dollar shoes came
out that year. And I saved up every dollar doing
odd jobs so I could buy it off of this
kid off of the hype Beast, formed for two hundred dollars.
I met him at Union off Labra. I was fucking fifteen,
and my mom was like, what the fuck are you doing?
And I didn't want to tell her because she's gonna
be like you buying random shit off a random nigga,
off a random street mind and shoes in the store

(35:11):
just park on the side. And I go in there
and I'm like, are you Tony X three blah blah blah.
He's like yeah, and I'm like, let me see the goods.
We're either a STUICI or Union showing shoes and I'm like,
all right, give me one shoe and I'll give you
one hundred. And I had him in Do Taco tell

(35:32):
you when he first met me, I was skating in
my ice cream shoes and he's like, are you crazy?
These are expense I'm like, if I'm gonna buy something,
I'm enjoying the true story, like you was skating around
La and these damn shoes in six at that time.
And again, it's such an important time in my life.
So I had no other option but to pay homage

(35:53):
to Wayne and Loupe and p and Drama within those
three bars, because I got the opportunity to do my
on a gangster girls project and you killed that intro. Man. Oh,
I went actually crazy and.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Even with the state sill and call me you said,
I think this is your best album. And I saw
he said on Twitter, like What a Day and Dog
Twoth are your best raps?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Oh easy, yeah, easy, It's the most me. It's me,
It's honest, it is. I love eating pussy like truly
it's kind of but almost. I had to google if
I had an oral fixation because that shit starts at three,
like I went to a warm hoole and truly don't
want nothing to return. Neighbor house shit, Kelly Green, like

(36:36):
I like Doctor because it is a manifesto. It is
me in every line in there, aside from the daughter
thing is the true thing, and What a Day is
truly how I feel. I don't funk with parties. I
hate paparazzi. I've never driven a hell cat and you
will never catch me in a maserati. I've never needed

(36:59):
any anyone else for my own personal validation. And I
will not touch a female if she's stupid, like if
you do, if you are not curious or intelligent, I
don't care how bad you are. I cannot deal with it.
I've never posted on TikTok, I've never worn a marry,
I've never wanted to sibling, and I've never worn beats

(37:23):
by Dre Headphones forcefully to get a video made because
it just doesn't work like that over here. And that
whole song, I just was stating facts And I love
that because it is no it's my real life, Like
I don't know. I love what it days so much.

(37:44):
It's a good record. Madly produced it. Dude, That's one
of my favorite mad Lid beats ever.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
He said, used to just skate around to. That's an
old bab.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Random mixtape some ship and you skate around to that
and that. Me and Rocky have a version of that
from like twenty eighteen. But one day I was like
feeling It was like a two week thing where I
was just feeling weird and I recorded that. That's why

(38:16):
that first verse is just so kind of honest and
like it's almost therapy for me. I love that song.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Even on Dog Too, I was thinking about what you're saying,
how everything you say in isfaction. When we met, he
was like, Yo, everyone keeps calling me king.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'm not your fucking king, bro, it's so weird, dude,
I don't need the weird, Like, oh, I gotta get like, man,
you were a king. It's like Nigga, I know I'm awesome.
I don't need the weird. It feels performative. I hate
performative shit. Just say hi and then niggas be like,

(38:51):
oh that's my brother. Like, Nigga, we met once. You
don't know my family, I don't know. I don't remember
your name. You know what. I hate? This happened at Coachella.
A lot you may have met once, maybe doing this,
Like they see you and they like, are you bro?
My god? Like I don't know you. Let's stop. I

(39:14):
don't like the performance, Like, just say what's up, like
my dude, Like, you're not my dude. We shook hands once.
We have a mutual friend. And I don't mean in
the mean way. You're a nice guy, cool, but don't
over act like you know me. Whether it's to force

(39:35):
the relationship to make you feel cool because you know me,
or three the people that may be watching the optics,
you want to make it seem like we have a
close relationship than we do. Nigga, I like and not
even being mean. I and I don't say this in
a bad way. I do not care about you, and

(39:56):
it's not in a bad way. I have my life,
I have my friends, my family, what shit going on?
The overhandshit you doing that. You're trying to make it
seem like, yo, man, I can't start my party until
so and so get here, Like nigga, you don't really
exist in my life. And it's not in a bad
meaning way, just dude, like, how's your family? You've never

(40:21):
met my mom? I don't know. It's performative and I
don't like it. And it's like you don't know grimmy
say you do not know anyone? Stop talking, and you
don't have a daughter. I do not have. But I
thought that line was funny because it's like I say
that line and niggas be like, wait, you got a

(40:42):
kid on the way, And it's like the fact you
have to answer that question prove my point. You're not
my bro, right, but you I'm such a pretentious bitch, dude,
Now you keep it real too.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Like one of the things I liked I saw recently
on the huge Hulu doc CAA. You're talking about how
you are a rapper, and I was like on tour, like,
this is the first time in the long time that
I heard a rapper say that they're a rapper and be.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Proud of it and be proud of it, like I
may have had moments where I've even dialed into the
pocket of like, I'm not just a rapper, I'm an artist.
Because of it's a you get someone on like Fox
News or some writer, whether it's on a blog or

(41:28):
fucking New York Times or whatever, who will use the
word rapper in a way to be reductive or to
what's the word I'm looking forward to, not degrade, but
to like associate with you not being high level art

(41:49):
or anything like that. And I think sometimes rappers we
see that, whether we're conscious of it or not, and
we have pride and self worth and love what we
do as artists, so we might say things like I'm
not just a rapper, I'm more than this. And that's

(42:10):
not to put rap over here. I think it's actually
to say to the people who look at rap like
it's some low thing, like, no, I'm an artist. What
you're not saying I am? And I think that's what
it is. And I think I think Yachdy did an
interview where people were like, bro, what are you're saying?

(42:31):
But I was like, damn, Yatdy, you didn't articulate that correctly.
Now they just gonna take that headline and run with it.
But I think I know the frustration that he might
be having, and sometimes that's a hard thing to articulate.
But I love music so much and I love rap.
That's my shit. I get to change so many people's

(42:53):
lives around me with it. And I said at that
BT Award that I went on stage two years ago,
like this should changed so many folks lives. It's awesome,
and it's still young and we're still learning what all
this is. It's awesome. Yeah, it's beautiful. I remember speaking
of awards. So you got the Grammy for Ego. You
were there.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
You you made it clear you didn't think necessarily it
should be used as a hip hop album per se,
because you didn't rap this last one you got. You
didn't even go to the Grammy. It's like, what made
you decide to focus on tour? Not?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Well, Yeah, I was on tour, Like I had a
like show that night or whatever. I was in Portland
and it was too much of a house to go
to Vegas and do the shit and then get back.
So I was just literally just riding my bike through
the like back of woods of fucking Portland, like literally
talking to cows and shit, and my barber hit me

(43:43):
like congrats, bitch. I'm like, m M what I do
and then calls start coming in. It's like, oh shit,
I want it and yeah it was awesome. It was
like and my ego was like, okay, y'all, y'all niggas mad.
I won this album for the rap one. Watch this.
We're gonna double back. Now I'll show your rap album
and got it back and I was like, ah, now

(44:05):
you said, I mean you did rap has always say.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
But I remember sitting in the first time we talked,
he was like, I got to order Grammy like you
was serious about it.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
No, and again not that the Grammy is the say
all be all to say that your album or music
art has worth. For my personal thing. That was a
check mark that I personally wanted to do since a
young child, and I got two of them. Host I'm straight.
I was straight with one. If I never get another

(44:31):
one again, I'm okay awesome to continue to add to that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm I'm pretty ambivalent when it
comes to it. If I get another one, that would
be so fucking awesome and be so proud that'd beautiful,
but also I got one off my checklist. I'm good.
I don't overindulge. We straight on to the next thing.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Right you checking off a lot of things on your
checklist right now?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Man?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Like you said, Heaven to me is one of your
highlight reels of life right now? Right like only thirty two?
Where do you think is like your best part of
your existence so far?

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Now, I'm not big on like, oh, I miss the
days like bro, I'm so turned right now, like Nigga,
I want to Bluestone Lane yesterday and sidecar and just
had a donut in a little latte and it was awesome.
Like I'm so straight with life right now. Yeah, And
I'm hyped for whatever forty two has for me. Probably

(45:31):
maybe have a kid running around or not going through
a denim phase, definitely all gold teeth, probably driving a
pickup truck. I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna
be into. But that's why I'm excited, because I know
it's gonna be awesome at the time, and I'll be
able to look back at my life and say, yeah,
thirty two was great. I don't miss it, and then
fifty two is gonna be great and seventy. I'm gonna

(45:52):
be such an ill old man.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
That second verse on Heaven to me is really dope.
It's like a very picturesque of a person in their
forties with the kids around, Like it's really dope, Like that's.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Really what you want? Yeah, Like that's a vert. Like again,
I don't really want to speak in absolutes, but a
version of where my forties could go could definitely be
my small house. We go to have the big yard
and it's on a lake and I have a boat
and my kids are running around chasing my wife for

(46:24):
I don't really fuck the marriage, but whoever, I decide
to have a life thing with uh just running around
and all right, we're going to an opera and make
my mom babysit the kids and I don't know, And
that's a version of it. Who knows, dude, I might
be fucking bald with a belly gut making heart at

(46:44):
that time. Who fucking knows. But that's a version that
I'm like, I'm super okay with that.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
And that freestyle thing it was really dope too, was like, dude.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I fucked up. I fucked the flow up, fucking I
bring it back like that was received that yeah, because
I know how to freestyle, so I actually fucked up
there and we kept it because it was honest and
I like it. It felt good though, it felt awesome.

(47:12):
That last verse I love so much because just thinking
back at seventeen again, context like first verses where I'm at,
second is where I probably end up, and then the
third is like gave me contexts like oh, man, like
me and Jasper really was just like taking the bus
to random spots and that was just me and him

(47:33):
on a plane, like I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Shit's so cool to me or it was also cool
hearing young Boy on the album as well.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Man, he's so nice. He's such a sweetheart for real,
he's really a sweetheart like people think he's like like
he's sweet, Like, dude, we got ice cream, he wants
to go finished car shopping. So nice. He sent me
that verse within a day, I asked him like, yo,
I kind of got this idea. I want to do this.
Not only did he deliver it for me and sounded great,

(48:05):
he asked me like, is this okay? Is it good?
I'm like yeah, and he stayed on topic. Get a
lot of these guys now who just punch in and
can't even stay on fucking topic of a song. And
he not only stayed on topic, he just sounded so great.
And when I made that, I just knew I wanted
that Louisiana draw tone, that that accent over over that loop.

(48:30):
He sounds great, Yeah he did.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I think that surprised a lot of people, having young
boy on the toddle of the creative albums like Worlds Collide.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
It just kind of was unexpected. It's always funny to
me when people are super super surprised and people forget that,
like I am a producer, like so like when you're
a producer, you just kind of like know, like heygg
put that, do that, and it's with my musical knowledge
and how much I love it. Like if you take
a step back, it's not that shocking. But at surface level,

(48:59):
I guess people wouldn't expect someone like me to even
want to associate with a young boy. But I love
that shit, like he's so he's a sweetheart man.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Or like when you produce for Westside Gun people, we
weren't expecting that, bro, which.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Is crazy, Like Nigga, I am a rat, I am
a hip hop and right now that is the most
potent crack cocaine hip. But like that niggas from Buffalo,
I mean that is rap music.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Man, what about this artistic run, like you make it
clear like flower Boys a change right, Like you're hitting
your new plateau, a new zenith right and it's running
on with the last three albums, Like what do you
attribute it to? Like this run you're on right now?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Focus, I'm really good. I'm not afraid of change. And
you know, I'm just dialed in and just trying to
make shit that I'm a fan of at the highest
execution that I possibly can. I think, I don't know.
I just I don't think people be trying to execute
things at the best that they can't because it's quick.

(50:05):
Niggas hit niggas that So, like I was some interviews,
some dude was like, yeah, I go to the studio
and I knocked shit five six songs out of night
And I'm like, oh, that's fucking weird. Like sometimes you
could be in the mode and just be knocking verses out.
But I'm like, dude, what it's some kid who thinks

(50:26):
like damn or someone I guess I'm saying, kid, it's
someone who sees that, like, damn, when I go to studio,
I need to be having a work ethic like that.
And it's like, dude, that same energy could go into
a three minute thing that's the greatest thing of all time.
So then people start thinking like damn, I gotta work
out of work, so they don't want to give shit
the time. But I'm like, no, give shit the time,
whether y're out Sniody Angelo, the Nigga Voodoo and Black

(50:47):
Messiah bro that was a decade like and Black Masiah
was great. Quin Tarantino take ten years to do things
like the idea that you got to put shit quick
because we see its fucking so stupid, and I think
everyone should work on their time. Fuck the fans, fuck

(51:07):
your mom, fuck your family, fuck your friends. To tell
your label to suck your dick. You gotta do your
shit for you, right.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
You also said fuck the critics on Manifesto, man like
you fired back at them, like addressing social issues and
stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Do you feel like bruh niggas be active again? That's
why I like the Limited Snicketts show because and this
is just my personal opinion. I'm not saying this as
an absolute I'm not saying right or wrong. When tom
Ston's happening was doing the protests and shit and niggas
coming at certain people for not really being in the streets,
It's like, bruh, it's a team. Some people are there

(51:42):
to donate funds. Some people are there to make the
best signage. Some people are there to bring everyone together.
Some people are footstolds and they're supposed to be there
to in the presence and be marching. Some people are
there to be the one with the megaphone having the
speech in the microphone because they're articulate and know how
to get thoughts out. Not everyone is supposed to do

(52:03):
every job. And the limited snickets showed the three kids.
One's the idea person. One looks all the information on
how to actually execute it, and it's a person who
builds it and actually executes it. And that that's what
I went there, and niggas bringing up like old lyrics
and shit of mine, like trying to get me out
of here, like bitch I was for real, cancel Nigga.

(52:24):
I couldn't I got kicked out of countries like sucking
old dick, Like couldn't Tory Nigga's talking to me about
and you know it's crazy y'all sitting here and we
all parading my success and accolades and Tyler, you've done
so great. Da da. What if I was a bitch
and I let the niggas get me out of here
in twenty twelve, we wouldn't be here now. We wouldn't

(52:45):
have a whole generation of people being themselves, We wouldn't
have so many things if I let these niggas get
me out of here in twenty twelve. So I say
that still to this day, like don't let flower boy
in a wig fool you y'all could all suck my dick.
I'm still on that type of time, right.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
I love that line on sorry not sorry, saying I'm sorry.
Tell my ancestors. I know it's supposed to fight, but
his eyes shining brighter than a black man's plate.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I'm gonna make it right. In the meantime, I'll get
some advice while these blood diamonds getting cleaned off. Nigga
fuck the price, spend it there, And then again, I
can't save niggas. I'm not Superman, but I could try.
You get through this thing where like you gotta be
a hero all the time and speak out and shit,
and it's like, nigga, I'm with my family, bro, I'm
eating lasagna like I can't save it, Like I don't know,

(53:33):
I just always find it. Where everyone thinks you gotta
speak up and shit. It's like, nah, bro, some people
are selfish and the only thing that they worrying about
is their well being and the people around them well
being and what they're gonna eat for dinner. And this
shit will make you think like you gotta always care
about everything and be a I don't give a fuck
what the fuck is for dinner tonight. And I'm okay

(53:55):
with that. I got too much shit to worry about.
Niggas got flat tires and all types and shit, got
family members. That's hurt niggas. We ain't got time to
be worrying about the fuck trending and ship. I'm thinking
my ass home. I'm going to sleep, waking up, making
sure my mom are right. I got an interview later,
y'all worry about that? What do you think of so
and so? I don't give a fuck. Bitch. Well, you

(54:16):
have evolved, though, Tyler. I mean you said you apologize
the sleep of Gold Maz oh yeah, well again, I
was trying to fuck her boyfriend at the time. But
but we uh yeah, like I don't, I don't, I don't,
like yeah, sorry, like I said sorry when I saw
or whatever, like it's all good, right, yeah, but everything

(54:36):
is all good. Then everything's all good. Okay. But it's
interesting that you did kind of play up.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I mean, do you look at like the old future
era like you kind of played up and the sort
of bad guy mystique a little bit.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Right, yeah, bro, because it's fucking everyone's fucking crazy, Like
that's why I did el shit in the first place.
You just get a reaction and just watch everyone be
kind of ypo critical like this niggas out here shooting niggas,
killing people, being weird with women for real, like selling drugs,

(55:07):
doing drugs, like we're parading niggas. That's like, oh, I'm
a drug addict. I'm off the shit. Like but as
soon as you see an upside down cross, that's that, Like,
are y'all fucking kidding me? Everyone is fucking crazy. Everyone
is crazy, so hell yeah, let's lean into this shit.
Let's fucking we're the devil. Or you just watch people

(55:30):
be like, oh, this is the last straw, Like your
uncle rape somebody, Like, don't appreciated be seeing suck nine
year old dicks? Like what ch'all niggas talking to me about?
But niggas don't be one other. You put the outside
down cross like you so cracked to your fucking daughter,
Like this shit is crazy. So when I was younger,

(55:51):
like that's how I was doing it. I would watch
my grandmother like give the deacon money, and I'm like,
this nigga's just going to buy another Cadillac. What are we?
This whole thing that y'all are fucking doing makes no sense.
So you know, I'm seventeen seeing all this shit and
I'm like, hell yeah, we're putting upside down crosses on everything.
To watch this older generation of black folk that I

(56:12):
grew up around freak out. And I'm like, oh, that's
what y'all worried about. This shit that some some dudes
from Europe putting our ancestors head and you following that
for some nigga you never met. But the real issues
you only want to talk about, y'all crazy. Hey, let's
keep saying the craziest shit, right, Let's keep saying the

(56:34):
most Outland is shit possible, right, That's why our future
had that energy because we really just were like, suck
all of our dicks. Man, But your crew is popping
out here.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
You got Taco and Dave Jazz Movies, Frank Oceans doing
this thing.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Sit Like, how proud are you are your of crew? Dude?
I said in fucking Heaven to me, all my niggas
is up, like it's truly a maze, And I guess
it's probably rare. Just people you grew up with all
just doing their thing. It's so beautiful. I love it
so much. I love it. My fucking my boy Artsy

(57:12):
and Snowfall Linos right now fucking Chicago shooting like folks
I truly care about, are just up. It's the most
beautiful thing. It's really awesome.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Was it was there a point though, where you feel
like you because you led a whole movement, right that
you feel like a certain point Was it a transition though,
to kind of put more to focus on yourself at
a certain point?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Definitely?

Speaker 1 (57:35):
And what was that like for you?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, after you just become an adult. You just become
an adult and whatever that means, it's all relative. But
I think being an adult is more so it's responsibilities
and focusing on yourself. And that's what I did. That's

(57:57):
what I did. We did that Big O F two
were twenty twelve and it was awesome, great, so the
best times of my life thus far. And then when
Wolf came. When I was working on Wolf, I was like,
you know, we should just it should just be me,
Jasper and Travis, and we did that and it was

(58:18):
just a different thing, which it should have been. It
was my album with all that album. So and then
you do that and shit just changes. You become a
fucking adult for real. But you also have good people
in your corner too. Oh no, It's it's so crazy.
Like I always think all the times I should have

(58:38):
got like beat the fuck up growing up, Like Nigga's like,
where are you from? Nigga? And I'm like, bro, are
you stupid? Dude? I look like I like, look at
my skinny jeans, like all right, Like he should have
beat my ass like shit like that. I'm like, man,
I've always just had this luck or angels around me
or something. I'm not even super religious. I'm just saying,
mephor always had angels around me. And it's weird how

(59:00):
I got so lucky with the people in my squad,
where there's Kelly Clanty, Jenny Prestonville, Brad Ryan, Tara Punch, Darren.
I'm forgetting folks for sure, but I mean I Treot Wallace,
fucking Joe vic Neil, I'm forgetting someone. But like, dude,

(59:25):
the universe is like really on my side. And I've
been with these folks forever, ever, ever since twenty eleven,
the same folks, same guard saying that, like this dude,
I met him at the Yonkers video shoot and like
still this day, I'm hitt him, like yo, I was
thinking of lighting like to this day, to the like,

(59:51):
isn't that's man? Niggas be firing managers every week every month,
they business dude stealing from them. They fucking security guard
tried to eat they And I've got him. So lucky
and blessed to have such an ill squad around me
that not only trust my ideas, but truly have my

(01:00:11):
best interest as a person, because fuck the bread, fuck
the money, Like it's truly as just a person, and
that are open enough to understand me and let me
understand them, and fuckings, I'm so blessed, Like I'm blessed
for real to have that on what a day?

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
You said, Clancy gave me the best advice you heard
in the sec What was that advice?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Do you remember? It was the plans and gave me
the best he said, I need to call me, he said, nigga,
get on a plane, go to the middle of nowhere
and just be by yourself and just think. And by that,
he's like, he know how busy I get, and I'm lokey,
a workaholic, like truly, it's fucking ridiculous, but I like
always working on shit. And he's like, bruh, you are

(01:00:57):
bottling stressing because you're not a stressor, so you just
push it away and let it sit. But after a while, bro,
you will pass the fuck out. Get on a plane,
go wherever the fuck you want, whether it is the
desert or the damn mall, and just go be by
yourself for a few days and take your chest, boarding
your bike and don't talk to anyone for a while.

(01:01:21):
And what that truly meant was it's like, yo, just pause.
The next line I say in there is that I'm
so scared of going back to Hawthorne. I'm so scared
to living on those outskirts of Inglewood and the day again,
I'm so scared of taking the bus that I think
I subconsciously like gotta always do shit so I never

(01:01:46):
pour again. And that's what that is. That's why I
say in that song.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Even on Mass, you talk about this conversation out with
Pharrell for three hours and it like shifted your perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah, definitely was that, like like whatever was that? Like
I was and flower Boy? Ever was that? And that
was summer twenty sixteen. I think it was in Milan. Yeah,
I talked about on the rough Caviart thing, but yeah,
I think it changed my whole shit. Oh it was
that conversation. Yeah, it was that conversation fucked me up
the greatest and greatest shifted. I flew back home as

(01:02:19):
a different man. When he told you like house music, Yeah,
I mean, and that was just a piece of it.
But that talk and then the next time I came
out with flower Boy and then Igor and called me
if you get lost, So like it's cool like I've
had since day one, like Yay and p and Jay
and these folks embraced me and liked me a lot.

(01:02:43):
Coming to the house. It's not Da Da and that's
because they truly saw a diamond in the rough. They
saw he has something. But you know, you grow, and
it took me a while to get to where I'm
dusting all the dirt off, fucking clean all of that,
and I'm here now. And like I talked to pe

(01:03:03):
a week ago. Well he called me yesterday, but and
I say that because I love that nigga and we're
like truly friends now. But a week ago we was
on a phone call and I thanked him for just
being a silent cheerleader to allow me to really see

(01:03:24):
the pom poms that I had. You know, I don't know,
I fuck with that. I think those dudes a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Or the love is reciprocated, but there's also like heartbreak
on this album, man, Like listening through it, I feel
like corso, especially like the third verse, like is that
based on a true story?

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Yeah, yeah, dude, February Yeah, February twentyth, twenty twenty one,
I fucking met this girl. And then like that's all
of that stuff, and yeah, it's crazy. Humans are crazy.
Humans are actally crazy. We don't know anything. We think

(01:04:03):
we know everything, but we're so complex and emotions and
all that are so wild, and once you think you
know something, you realize, oh, you don't know anything. I
who was I with the other day. I was with
someone at the office and I was like, oh, yeah,
I'm getting up there. I'm thirty two, and he was like, oh, no,
you're a dumb baby. You're still a child. And this

(01:04:25):
guy's like, I think a little under sixty. And when
he said that, I just was like, no, you're right,
because he probably had hit forty eight and was like,
oh fuck, I thought I knew everything. I don't know nothing.
So he sees me and he's like, oh, you still
have shit in your diaper. You are a baby. And
just knowing that and being okay with it allows me

(01:04:48):
to be like Nigga, when I'm forty two, I don't
know what the fuck I will be on right, I'm
with it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
There's also an eight minute song is that the same girl?
Yeahs fired, Yeah, will Shure and like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Sweet one take just thoughts, and again someone was like, man,
I can't listen to that song because it's too long
and you can't bump it, will you not every song?
Every song is supposed to be a fucking drumm. It's art,
it's expression, and that is me not doing it for y'all.
I recorded that in the midst of those emotions and

(01:05:21):
just recorded that for myself to just get it out
and decided to yeah, that's going on the album. Man. Dude,
was that fucking Dom Tolliver. He walked up to me
like last week Coachelling. He's like, dude, that's my favorite song.
And I'm like, a six foot two nigga just crying
for thirty minutes? Is your favorite song? He explained to

(01:05:42):
me why, And I'm like, that's awesome that someone could
hear that goopy ass fucking long song and like not
even relate to the specific theme or subject, but it's
a tone and emotional thing that they're like, nah, I
feel that, yeah, And that's what music, movies, a painting

(01:06:03):
or whatever it should do. It shouldn't always be like
this shit go hard. I did the whip test it,
banging the whip, like, how do you feel about it? Though?
So I'm happy that it's people out there that could
connect to it like that or how'd you get out
that sadness? Well? Time? And like, look, I'm rich, all right,

(01:06:24):
I'm not even gonna. I'm gonna, but no, like you,
you're in it. You're in it. And then it's like, okay,
what's the logic. M hmm, this is what it is. Okay,
this will happen. Either this will happen or this will happen. Okay,
let me move accordingly. Life's awesome. Although this sucks, can't

(01:06:46):
control it. Time will pass and either A B or
CE what happen, and you move on. I don't really
dwell too much into like that stuff, Like yeah, and
that stuff happened, and my life outside of that thing
was so awesome. It's like, and I'm blessed. Then I
get to eat and go hang out with my friends.

(01:07:07):
Still still sad about that. You don't put it away,
but like you, yeah, and everyone's different. Some people will
be fucking depressed for three years. Like, yeah, that was
a good two weeks. I was like, fuck, this sucks
and I did that, and I thought you wanted to

(01:07:28):
dance in that two weeks, which is awesome, Like I
thought you wanted to dance one of my illest songs,
and like that wouldn't exist if I didn't have that
life experience. And I'm in the middle of the life experience. Shit,
I'm just sad. I'm looking at telling me line of like, hey,
but real talk, make it it's fire. He's like what
I'm like, bro, I get to feel feelings and emotions
and like actually be human. So I kind of in

(01:07:52):
a weird way, I like that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
You also talk about it like keeping you've always kept
your personal life in the shadows, keep people protected, Like
do you look forward to the day where you will.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Come out with Oh no, not at all. Niggas is weird.
Those people are weirdose the internet is weirdos. I don't
want I don't want you niggas. I don't want people
know my family. Look like y'all need to know where
I live. Y'all need to really know who I'm fucking
everyone weird And you got to keep your peace and
you got to protect yourself because people out here is
fucking weirdos. And even because of it, like I hate this.

(01:08:23):
I'll just be driving and a kid. It's like, oh
my god, and just start filming, like niggas say hi first,
Like like the privacy shit is a dub. So when
niggas come up filming, I don't like that And I
tell him politely, that's a dub. I tell paparazzi, like, yo,
I'm not that guy. Like I don't play that, don't
do that. You could like my songs, but that don't
mean you gotta do all that. You like a lyric

(01:08:44):
and a beat cool like the art that I put out,
but when you get my personal space, like it's weird
and you need your ass beat, And like, I kind
of hope we get to a point where like these
people who cross those lines, who feel like it's just
five because they downloaded the album, really start like understanding

(01:09:05):
consequences that comes with actions. Because where I grew up,
you say the wrong thing, you get hitting your fucking mouth.
But now shit is like different, so you can't do
But it's like, nah, we off all of that. You're
such a good man. I love you. I'll text you later.
So yeah, it's a I don't do, not like or

(01:09:28):
condone it, and I'm cool. You walk up to me,
you say something, but I will talk. I'll talk to
a tree man. It's like, I will talk. I'm a
fool as hell. But once this pop out and that
invasion of privacy and I'm just chilling some dude pulled
up to me. Some niggle pulled up on me the
other day. I'm driving. He goes on the side of me.
He's like, Yo, Tyler or something.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
He's like, YO, nice car, dude. I'm like, oh, thank you, bro,
I'm selling one just like this. Are you interested? I'm like, no,
I'm I clearly have one. He's like, man, bro, yo,
where are you headed right now? Higg I'm like what.
He's like, where you headed right now? I want a photo?
I'm like, one that's on your business. But two, I'm

(01:10:11):
not pulling over to give you a photo that doesn't
logically make sense and that's not my ego, that does
not make sense. And he's like, but bro, I'm a fan.
And I'm like, I'm so happy that you like the
art I put out that you probably consume on the Internet.
That doesn't mean I'm gonna pull over to stop my

(01:10:32):
day for you to get your likes and comments on
a photo for whatever you put it on. Because you
like dog tooth, I have somewhere to be. He's like, oh, Bro,
you don't gotta be a dick. And I'm like, it's
crazy that you're associating me being an asshole with giving
you an answer to a question you asked because it

(01:10:55):
doesn't mirror your ideal output. So I'm like, the entitlement,
I'm not tripping, I get it, but I'm not getting
off the car. He's like, damn man, please, I'll get
out right now. I'm like, look the car behind me.
If I put a thumbs up out my son, roof,
it's gonna be an awkward day for you because he

(01:11:15):
knows I feel threatened. Now. Damn bro, hey, I appreciate that. Man,
what do you appreciate this? He's like Later he drives off,
and these are the interactions that I get, and I'm like,
what the fuck is going? Who raised these niggas?

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
This nigga had a beard. Bro, when you got phaser,
here's certain shit. You just can't be out here just
doing this. Nigga had a beard? Well, you do bring
people together? Can't flog? Now? Is that returning the shit?
I don't know, man, you don't know. I don't know.
I just want to ride my bike, dog, Okay, I

(01:11:57):
just want to ride my bike. Man. I don't believe you,
But I have a tone where I sound sarcastic a
lot of the time. Huh. So even when I tell
the truth or give a compliment, some people think I'm lying,
but I'm like, I'm dead ass. I just want to
just go to the mall.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Do you have in your mind with the next era
of coll of the creative.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Music is of course, No, there's another thing we gottatop doing.
We gotta stop, Like man, just pop. When motherfucking uh
Twoky Bunky in ninety seven or two thousand and four
popped out with a new song and album announcement, nigga,
you didn't know shit about it until that motherfucking album
announcement or video came out. We got to get back

(01:12:38):
to that. Motherfuckers with the sneak peak shit or like
you got something coming up and then his story like
how about this? How about you fucking wait and mind
y'all goddamn business and go get your latte, And that's
for everyone. That's for everyone. Niggas love prying we got.
I fucking hated so much, dude, it's so fucking we

(01:13:00):
So I'll be out of line if I ask if
we're gonna have a video for running up. Definitely too late.
I had a crazy idea for that video. Had a
fucking crazy video idea favorite, but I couldn't. I didn't
have the fucking time to do. But I had such
an ill video that actually felt like the energy of

(01:13:21):
the area of that song when it wasn't what people expect.
I had such an ill, fucking idea. I didn't do it.
And again, that's one of probably sixty videos I regret
not doing. You can still do it, though it's kind
of too like it stays like it's we're done, We're done.
Sometimes you gotta know when to let go. Sometimes you
gotta know when to take the clock off Flavor Flame
and just move on it next. By the way, I

(01:13:44):
don't say that in a bad way. I'm gonna tell
you something. I met Flavor Flay once. Super nice, but
everyone's nice, so that doesn't mean anything. Smelled amazing, like
smelled amazing. And that man plays the piano so well,
so beautifully, Like if you google flavor Flight piano, it's

(01:14:05):
this one video. I think he's at a comic con
or a hotel lobby. Bro He's playing the piano so
fucking well. I think that's it. It's like, truly, I mean,
hitting chords that hit my fuckings and I'm like, so,
whoever's watching this, if you get a chance, google this
nigga Flavor Flave playing piano. He might be in a
green hat with a do rag and some like dark

(01:14:26):
Vader glasses. It is amazing. And I'm like, flavor Flave,
fuck the clock. Let people know about this skill that
you have right here. That's fuck the performative shit, where
is that? Right? So good? At the brunch, you told
me something that I don't know. Can I talk about this?

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
You told me that you wanted to work with Jermain
Duprix and you said you want him to teach you
how to make songs or something like that. I don't
I still don't understand what you mean by that, because
you have.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
So much knowledge. Jermaine dupri is one of our greats, Yes,
truly one of our greats. Like I was listening to
Sweetheart by him and Mariah Carey off that night, fourteen
seventy two album, and I'm listening to this and I'm like,
they just don't know Jermaine DePree was writing me song,
Like listen to my Way. People don't know he's writing
me song. By the way, I didn't know Frell told me.

(01:15:17):
I'm like nigga. What He's like, Yeah, this nigga's writing
me song. So I'm going back and I'm like listening
to like the my Way records and like some of
the Confession's records, and I'm like, oh, I understand him,
and Brian's like vocal phrasing, oh he was writing me.
And now I'm like, well, why can't I find any
demos at all of Jermaine Duprix's stuff. The only song

(01:15:40):
where Jermaine Duprie's rough or vocal demos in is might
be track seven on the Emancipation of Me Me album,
Oh Damn the Club about the clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
In a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
That's his ref And I think he told me he wanted,
like usher someone to do that. And I ran into
him at the studio one day and I was like, yo, nigga,
how much I gotta pay you for your demos? He
told me as soon as the people recorded, he deletes them.
He doesn't want wow thing of it. And I thought
that was so interesting as a person, because I'm like, well,

(01:16:14):
I wonder how he is at his home with physical things.
He can't be a hoarder, then he can't keep things
for nostalgic value. If he deletes that, so he might
have the most minimalistic house of all fucking time if
that's his thought process. Years past and I'm again listening
to random songs of you ro and I'm like, no,
he has a he has a special way of writing songs.

(01:16:36):
And this is when him and Diddy were like, we
gonna do the Virgin thing. Y'all can't fuck with me,
and Nigga's like, did he got that? I'm like, y'all
understand this, Nigga. Jermaine de Prix was not only producing
and finding the talent, but it was like, ah, I
know your turn of voice, give me twenty minutes and
writing and seeing this shit. And I'm like, I want
to soak up as much information from Jermaine de Prix

(01:16:56):
one day as I can to make me better at
my craft, because it's some ship that I could definitely
learn from him that I can't even comprehend right now, Okay,
you have to make that happen some way he's doing
with currency. So yeah, he's Jermaine the pretty sick dude. Yeah,
he's so sick. Money ain't the thing, It's so sick.
Classic he did what's the song the other song from

(01:17:17):
it with Keith Sweat and so what's that song where
he got the Big bed from fourteen seventy two. It
might have been the third or fourth single off that album.
You Talk, you rolled on me. You called it at
a party and you talk too much? But you going
home with me? Yeah? And then the random dude at
the end r C like the worst name ever. It's like,

(01:17:39):
people really make bad decisions early on Gosh, Tyler the
creative man, thank you, this was a great decision. Thank
you for saying with us, that's it, we go on.
I'm I have thirty minutes left, let's go, and I
have nothing to do. So I tried.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
I tried to bate. I tried to bate Tyler last
night into the whole. You know, the big best rapper
in the game, you know, the Big three. They talk
about the Drake Kedger Coles.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
He wouldn't go for it, he says, he gives a
fuck hey, And you know what. You know what annoys
me when people are like this is my top top
five and people argue it like you got seventeen year
olds like yeah, like dude, fuck you ready to die
and enter the wu tang is my top ten album
em But I'm like, bro, you just got hair on
your dick. Stop is performing it. It's like that's your

(01:18:28):
And again some people might be right, but I'm right,
that's you got young boys and babies out here, and
that's your favorite. Like, I don't care about people's objective.
Top nothing. Tell me what is your favorite shit? Because
you learn so much from people, you get context. I
want to know why you think Pooky Dookie's second album

(01:18:50):
is your favorite? Oh, I have memories attached to it.
My brother did this when I was youngerest and that
track seven he talks about this found out I was
going through it like I want to hear that. I
don't care about no objective. Dude. The kids be doing
it with me. They do a tier list of like
ABC and D of the albums they like of me
and then tell people ask people thoughts. You're asking people

(01:19:14):
their thoughts on what you hold to your heart? What
kind of stupid shit is that? That's why I fucking
hate rap Twitter because everything's performative. Everyone is making these
lists just to have people engage, Like, who gives a fuck?
Who the top three is the Jamariqua is like my
favorite band. I don't know no one that talks about them,

(01:19:35):
and I don't give a fuck because I enjoy it
in my house and in my car. So why the
fuck are we sitting here arguing about, Oh, you don't
got Tupac in your top five nigga? No, I was
fucking born when that nigga was at his People like,
who gives a fuck? Tell me your personal top five
because y'all gonna just go in circles.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
I think people just like reference points, and I think
it always comes down to taste, right, So if you
have a conversation with someone and they say Pharrell's whack,
which is impossible, you will look at them.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
It's not impossible. They might be right. They're not wrong
because they grew up different. I don't like the Beatles.
I don't like the beat But do you think somethings
are absolute? Some things I guess could be objective, But again,
even objective is subjective the way that you grew up. Again,
some kids be here, call me if you get lost
and be like, this shit is terrible. He's only rapping
about card. We grew up with gangster girls, we grew

(01:20:26):
up with rap music. We we knew what it was
like when fifty cent had that fucking spin and chain
and like, oh my god, we was there when Pete
had the first colored jewelry. We know what ghosts faced
fucking ego looks like. So when I'm saying certain shit,
we know those talking about some kids whose parents grew
up only listening to the Beatles or fucking Atlantis Morrisset

(01:20:48):
or some shit who found wrapped through Reddit might not
understand why DJ Drama is there. We think he's cool
sounded on the records. They might think it's terrible. So
it's all context. So if a nigga's like Yo, Pharrell's
beats are terrible, maybe he didn't grow up with the
ear to understand a Stevie wonder Bridge or Michael Jackson
Bridge or fucking what Donnie Hathaway was doing vocally. He

(01:21:08):
might not be on that type of time. So you
can't really. I guess I can't fought folks for just
not liking certain things. The thing is, I don't like
when people are engaging for arguing and things like that,
for shit that they hold here and not even trying
to give contact, Like it's such a weird thing. Bro

(01:21:29):
and niggas just be one of the funniest shit on Twitter,
and it's changing a conversation of music. It's where I
see people really dive in and talk about I don't
know the concept or their favorite line, what it means,
or like, yo, I love this beat. It reminds me
of this because the player did this like conversation no matter.
Kids don't even look at credits no more. They don't
give a fuck who played, like, I don't know. I

(01:21:51):
guess I hold this shit so close to my heart
and I love music and these things so much that
when it gets reduced to the top, plays on fucking
Spotify or some kid from so and so saying so
and so is greater than this thoughts, I'm like, this
isn't a conversation, this has nothing. This is stupid. I

(01:22:13):
fucking hate it. But you love Front and by Us.
That's the greatest. That's my That's my favorite piece of art.
It turns twenty this year. I think I'm a throw
a party or a celebration. I've never and I've never
made anything better than Front and in my personal taste,
and I never will because everything I do is like

(01:22:36):
that song, like I love that so I was on
the clones The Clones number five, August nineteenth, two thousand
and three. You can fact check that. And the short
verse like the short I love, Dude, I love. I
grew up on R and B rap shit, so like
an eight bar verse. Biggie starts. Can't you see what
an a? I think an eight bar verse like we
got a bar fucking ushers nice and slow I think

(01:22:56):
has an eight bar random verse like I could be
wrong with the timing, but like, dude, I love a
bar versus. When I do warf talking, I'm like, Rocky,
I need an eight bar verse because I was seven
years old sponging and downloading the structure of all of
these rap, R and B songs in my brain. Like,
and some kids that are sixteen are like, why is
his verse so short? I'm like, it's not short, That's

(01:23:18):
all that was needed. But again, they never grew up
in the same time as me, so they don't have context.
So you got some kids saying wharf talk is whack.
Can't say he's wrong, he has no context, like little
zan on one twelve, a fucking one twelve. Anyway, he
wrote that, By the way, dude, long tell you like

(01:23:41):
classic slim Bro Slim's voice is great and third verses
bring back the dird verses. Yeah, bitch, I love third verses.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
I grew up on third versus niggaird versus species.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
People are like saying, like, I don't like the song
because it's too long. You don't like how the song
said because of the length. Like the conversation of music
now is just fucking ridiculous. Like I truly think it's crazy. Yeah,
I mean, like, I will fuck with that song, but
it's too long. But you didn't say if you like

(01:24:16):
how it sounds like. You see why I be so
fucking out. It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Is it hard to live in the world where people
don't love or understand music as much as YouTube?

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
It kind of I just try to. I don't know, man,
You just got to find people in real life who
love these things and who could talk and articulate and
have a passion for it. Sometimes you do a think
piece or write about it, no one's reading it. You
can call pretentious niggas be like, I ain't reading all that,
and it's like, bro, why can't we You would think

(01:24:50):
because of the Internet you would get closer to people
and music lovers. That's why I like YouTube, don't. I
don't really use any stream services. I'm a YouTube head
because man, you'll find a random song and in a comment,
it's a sixty eight year old man. He leaves a
little paragraph about the first time he heard it and
what he meant to it, and I'm just like, oh
my god, that is awesome in it under it someone

(01:25:12):
it's like, that's interesting you say that. And they're talking
about the music and how it makes them feel, and oh, yes,
Stuart left Stewart did the best work on the Jamaricas
second album because of it. Like that's the talk they
not talking about. Well, so and so state this, this
is so and so flop era, he's so, this gives

(01:25:33):
a fuck? What about the music? Bro? I love it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
And you do like Cherry Bomb.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
I've never I've always liked Cherry Bomb. And it's my
people think because I say that era of me as
a person was gross and I had to change, they
associate that with thinking that I hate the Cherrybomb album.
I've never stated that I put the Cherrybomb instrumentals out
because I think that's like some of my greatest work.
It's things on that Cherrybomb album instrumentals that I can't

(01:26:01):
do today. I'm technically a better producer, but the mindset
I was in, the creative freedom that I was in,
I can't even do that, like to mash up all
that shit is fucking crazy to me. That end part
of Cherrybomb, although that song is like just static in

(01:26:21):
part with the fucking kids choir singing like, I can't
even do that anymore. That shit's awesome, and that putting
those instrumentals out have people appreciate it in a different way.
You put Wolf instrumentals out recently too, Yeah, people love
those Wolf instrumentals and some shit I was really on
my like you could hear what I was hearing when

(01:26:42):
I was four and five on that album. If anyone
understands what that means, you could hear rusty or Beamer
or awkward or slater and really be like, Oh, he
likes Jay's first album. He likes cut Close first album.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
How do you look at Goblin? I think Goblin Sith
anniversary is coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Bro is fucking terrible, but I still love it. It's
it's an energy and an aura that it has and
hearing my wonky sense and gross drums and me not
realizing I'm yelling on every song and saying the most
wild shit is what got people there. It's not about

(01:27:19):
the music, it was a if you were there. That
energy and that aura and that air just cutting through
what everyone else was doing is so important. And there's
still some ones on there. I still think Youanker is awesome.
She is awesome. The first two versions of Nightmares ill Trunk.
Hat's still awesome. Analog still cool, Like it's still a
few things on there, but people don't know like those.

(01:27:42):
A lot of the songs on that album were just
like random songs I recorded after Goblin that we kind
of just yeah, hear yeah, I got these songs when
it comes to songs. So I noticed you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
You work well with others, but you seem to be
really selective with features, Like do you turn down a
lot of offers.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
That oh yeah, dude, but I ain't gonna say they name.
Remember that group in like twenty sixteen they offered like
a bag for a feature, and like, dude, you could
not pay me enough if they said, hey, not only
are they going to pay you a lot? They got

(01:28:20):
God on the line and he said he'll DeepThroat you
if you do this, it wouldn't happen because it's just
and it's not. Man. Probably nice guys, but I just
don't want to work with you artistically, and the song sucks.
And you are a nice person. It's nothing against you.

(01:28:41):
You just don't got to say yes to everything. They're
not very I'm very selective. And sometimes it's just liking people. Man,
you are cool, you are nice. Let's see what we do.
Worse come to worst. It doesn't come out right, but yeah,
so you have to know the person kind of like,
not even all the way. I'm just saying. Sometimes it's
not even because because you like the music of the song,
you can meet people and be like, man, we're here,

(01:29:04):
let's see what we could make. Sometimes it's good. Sometimes
it's not. But it's okay to say no. It doesn't
mean you hate the person or I just don't want
to do it. That happens. But you're a genuine guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Man, I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
I'm decent, You're genuine. I love you, man, kiss me
right now. Okay, Okay, I thought we were leaning. How Flex?
I love Flex. He's so sweet, He's so He's one
of the other eight niggas on Earth. That's still I
love flex man. He could be full Forwartive. Tell are

(01:29:40):
we going to no more tours? Are we touring for
this project or dates? I'm not touring at all. But
when it has come out, whatever you want, I might
do one special thing. Okay, who knows? This doesn't leave
this room? I heard nobody, but yeah, but this will
be out by then. So but I'm definitely not torn, bitch,

(01:30:03):
I'm tired. I just want to ride a bike and
get a little fat. You're not gonna get fat. Yeah,
I think I'll be blessed, but you never know. Oh,
if I do Nigga, I'm gonna become vegan start. I
don't know. It's weird. Shit, I don't know. I'm cute.
I look cute as hell, very attracted, Like what like

(01:30:27):
where anything? Oh? You know what? I do want to say.
I've seen fans saying on the laves versus stunt man.
People was like, oh, he's talking about Kanye, and I'm like,
you guys are fucking stupid and have terrible comprehension skills.
I would never.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
No, I love that nigga, and that is not about him.
It's actually about the rest of the world. When I say,
I say, wipe your feet on that door mat before
you speak again. People just being hypocrites. And I say,
how you tell us that you real, but you stay
off the meds. By stay off the meds, I mean
people be out here on every drug in the world
talking about they are real nigga and they one hundred.

(01:31:08):
And it's like, that's a lie. You're you're lenses, You're
drugged up right now. You sound stupid. How you got
no house keys but you show off protect And in
the background, I say priorities, and I'm seeing a lot
of folks like just not really having a place to
live or a means of transportation, but like they iced

(01:31:28):
out and I'm like, man, these priorities are crazy. And
then I say, how you call that girl a whoe
but got ten baby mamas. I hate the double standard
that people have on grown women having sex and being
a fucking adult. That shit is weird. And niggas be
out here having kids that they don't even take care
of and fucking everything, but have the nerve to call

(01:31:49):
someone like niggas sounds stupid. And then I say, how
you claim you free thing? It will be preaching a
Bible and it again. It's back to my original thought
where it's like niggas be doing and this and that slanging,
you're doing that, shooting people, but as soon as you
put a upside down cross off, they want to be
like and John Psalm's seven point three sid Moses and

(01:32:09):
I'm like, bro, you are hypocrite. And then that's I say,
are you pushy ass? Niggas think you so damn hard
because you got a big blower nigga, you ain't God.
And niggas flashing the guns just really thinking they got
and it's like, bro, we eat and breathe the same shit.
And then I say, y'all, fuck, y'all got the same cars,
y'all fuck the same girls, y'all got the same watch,

(01:32:31):
y'all say the same threat, y'all take the same pictures y'all,
the gay ones y'all doing to oppress those niggas. And
you see these ever you see niggas getting to a
certain girl and doing this and this and all this
shit just so niggas could be like, damn he hard,
he a real nigga, and like, but as soon as
a nigga kiss the nigga, like oh this nigga gay

(01:32:51):
like being all that, but it's like you're doing all
this for the approval of other niggas you don't know.
You're actually the gay one trying to impress these males
and that hippop. Like it's all so crazy to me.
And people read that and thought I was talking about Yay.
I'm like, are y'all fucking stupid? Look at everyone you're
listening to. That's who I'm talking about. So I wanted
to clear that up. I just wanted to because I

(01:33:14):
have no I won't do another interview after this, so
I really wanted to clear that up. So it's not
no article thinking that I'm saying some shit about someone
who I dearly love and happy he cleared that heaven
for me, like Yay cleared that heavenem me shit for me.

(01:33:37):
Like Also, if y'all I don't know, John Legend has
a second album called once Again that is fire incredible
and Kanye has a lot of production on there. And
I mean that pocket when Ye was doing that and
be and all, that is super good. So to all
you kids who only listen to Donda because motherfucking wrap caviar,

(01:33:59):
hold on, let me let me tell y'all too. I
like Carl Cherry a lot. I like Carl Cherry a lot,
but before I met him, I wasn't fucking with him
because it's rap caviar, biggest rap thing that you could do.
And I invited him to my listening part of Comic
If You Lost, because I wanted to tell him in person,

(01:34:20):
how dare you have this playlist or whatever, it's rap
caviar thing that all these kids, white, black, this, and
that listen to go to because kids don't search sh
it no more, so they go to that. How dare
you have that and not have a tribe called quest song?
How dare you have that and not have a Gucci
man song showing where all these young guys are derivative from?

(01:34:43):
How dare you not at least put one thing? How
dare I'm gonna say, go guy's name, but how dare
you only put this guy's stuff when he makes a
trap adjacent song. What you're doing is kind of tricking
people that were mona looked like rap is only one
thing and it's kind of no difference to how when

(01:35:05):
they're when the Fox News someone like, oh they're rappers,
they do this. You're kind of putting a battery in
that still for some fifteen year old white kids. So
when someone whether it's me or fucking Kevin Abstract or
someone else, they're like, oh, nobody listen to that. That
shit ain't in the street. Do that, Like you're doing

(01:35:25):
that by having the biggest rap platform. Rap turns fifty
this year, and like it ain't no fucking why isn't
you tip on there? Why isn't Missy on there? Like
and I get it, like it's it's politics, but like
you got a hundred songs and you're telling me in
the top thirty you can't just sneak something old in there.
So some kid could say, what is this question this?

(01:35:47):
I've never heard a snare like this? Put something from
oh seven in there, like Jesus fucking Christ. And I
told Carl Cherry, like it's not fair and it's not
fucking right, and it's detrimental to this thing that we
love that changed so many lives because what you're doing
is making it do this, especially with this algorithm. Shit,
it's just fucking doing this. Don't fucking do that. Do

(01:36:08):
not do that. It's not fair. I don't like And
I told Carlcherry and we're cool now, but when I
first met him, I was not fucking with him because
I'm like you just I love this shit too much
for for someone to just be on common saying ooh
this shit hard, but when it's something different, they're really
there is just no respect for I don't fuck with that,

(01:36:30):
and I let him know that shit. I let him
know that because I don't fuck with that. So now
we do a go on a play this. There is
something from yesteryear there, Yeah, and it fucking better be
better have a fucking Dayla soul song on their mother
fucking uh whatever iced out bart by fucking Gucci or
uh fuck, I don't know some Timblin and MISSI shit

(01:36:52):
or fucking I don't even listen to fucking David Banner.
But like like a pimp needs to just be on it,
like well, knock if you. Bucket is so culturally important
to rap music and it's so much ship dude, and
it blows my mind. It's no corrupt, there's no quick
on there, it's no fucking it's even drop it like

(01:37:15):
it's hot on there, like what are we talking about?
I fucking And that cosincides with the fucking conversational music
that's on the internet because you go fucking Spotify and
tell you how many plays a song? Guys, why does
that matter? Why doesn't matter with fucking how many plays
it has, It's just irrelevant. Do you like the song
or not? I don't know. Man. Ship is stupid. Ha

(01:37:39):
sh I hope I got every point across. I think
you know me. I'm going to hibernation. I think this.
I think this is it. I think I have nothing. No,
y'all got anything else? You got anything you want to
get off your chest?

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Elliott? Elliott? You sure I got your back? If getting
smoked to you, I'm a little scared. The waves is
looking crispy. Good, I'll be good. Nah, Yeah, Elliott, got
something to say. We're good. I'm happy to see you, brother.
I'm glad we're back. I'm happy we did this. Felt it.
It's awesome. Yeah. I brought you off some perfume. If

(01:38:18):
y'all don't like it, give it to your lady. I
grew with all women, so like I truly am. I'm
so used to a certain floral scent. I like that ship.
Most guys are not into that and not get it.
But it's spray on your clothes and then wear that
sweater two days later and it sits it really well.

(01:38:42):
You said there very well yourself. That's what I tried. Yeah,
wrapping up podcast, Yeah, hold on, can we feel missed?
Just camera real quick? It could be an out take
or whatever. It was part of the Rock Nation brunch.
I went for three reasons. I always wanted to go,
just just because I never went to. I was like
curious what food they had there? And three, I wanted

(01:39:04):
to see how many times I could be called king.
I counted nine. And the elist part, J let me
park my my BMW right in the front. Everyone else
had to shuttle. He let me park it right in
the front on the hills like aesthetically ill And I
top probably top four moments I've ever felt cool, like

(01:39:25):
the textbook cool. And I'm like, J, Nigga, thank you, bruh.
My homie sent me two weeks ago, Christen Cohms Instagram.
These motherfuckers had a photo shoot with my car in
front of the goddamn My Nation. And I saw Christian
last night and I should have told him, nigga, don't
sit on my goddamn hood. Nigga. I like, Christian, I'm

(01:39:46):
just saying nigga. I didn't know, but that was ill.
Like everyone walk up and they just like, who's the
little yellow BMW is that? I'm like, mine will be
back next year. I don't know. I don't, I can't.
I don't know fucking be doing that day. But it
was nice. I had some pizza of some waffle. It
was hot. Everyone was sweating, by the way, everyone was

(01:40:09):
sweating like all the photos. I want everyone like the photos.
Everyone was dripping wet of sweat.

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
He was in the bushes next to Dave Santan and
we had a good conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
I was like, Tyler, why the bushes? Everyone keeps calling
me king. I hate that ship. I was fucking hi dude.
Everyone was sweet. I've met a lot of people. It
was sweet. I have nothing else to say.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Here we go.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
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