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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Jonathan Rush So I asked the Vice president if I
could meet with mister Abrego Garcia Kelly Nash. He said
he was not able to make that happen. So I
asked him if I could get on the phone and
talk to mister Abrego Garcia. He said maybe if the
American Embassy were to ask.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
The Jonathan and Kelly Show. This guy is on every
major what are we calling him a heritage news legacy
legacy news programs? Senator van Holland, not van Halen.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Sorry, Senator Vayane Holland. The moose out front should have
told you prison's closed.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
He flew all the way there, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
He had it sounds like a sixty second conversation with
the Vice President of l Salvador who just said, no, no, no,
you could have sent an email on this. We would
have told you the same thing. No, now, get on
your plane and go home. I think he was home
for dinner last night.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Talked to the embassy. That's why we have an embassy.
We got on American embass right down the damn road.
We could have handled this with them, but that doesn't
get you grand standing on television.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And that's what it was all about. Right. He knew
he wasn't going to get in and see this guy.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
All right, let's talk about some more of that. Oh, look,
here it comes. It's the Double Secret Probationary Jonathan and
Kelly hotline flashing. Kelly Nash, welcome on the phone, and
our Lieutenant Governor Pamela Evant.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Hey, good morning, Good morning, my friends. I hope you're
all doing my hope. You know this is for all
of our Christians out there living. This is a very
holy time during our liturgical year, very sad time.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I was surprised by the way you brought it up.
As a state employee. I know you're working this weekend
because you're at the Heritage, but Kelly was reading me
a list of states where the employees have good Friday off.
In a city of Columbia's off, or the municipalities take
the day, but our state workers are working tomorrow. What's
up with that?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Well, that's something we're going to have to address. Right,
I will be working tomorrow, but it's you know, this
is something that for Christians is a big deal. I
when I was in the private sector, this is a
day we gave off. This is very something that Jesus
died on the cross tomorrow, and I think that's something
that a lot of people feel very deeply about having
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that period. I remember, being very young, my grandmother was
very strict about, you know, the point of time in
the afternoon when Jesus hung on the cross, like there
was no TV, there was no talking, like we literally
we set our prayers, and that really stuck with me,
right so as an adult. But you know, to everybody celebrating,
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I know not everybody that probably listens to your show
is of Christian nature, but if they are wishing you
a very blessed Easter season, you know, it's it's amazing
how we go from this time of morning to Easter Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, I'm hoping our next governor and whoever that may be,
and we want to get in We don't want to
get into that necessarily with it. Look might be giving
because even atheists like a day off. So all right,
let's let's talk about some state business. And I know
one of the things killing that we're talking about today
was we apparently have a compromise. Do you think this
will hold up the scrutiny from the South Carol Supreme Court.
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We're able to state the compromise between the House and
the Senate for the school voucher plan.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
You know what, I believe it will. I was actually
getting brief done it yesterday. Great things. You know, I'm
not going to rest until we have one hundred percent
school choice, you know, with no with no caps, no limits.
We're seeing they're doing this in Texas. I just saw
a report on it this morning that Texas may join
the ranks of a lot of states who are allowing
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you know, full money follows the child school choice. And
in putting putting that power, I was actually talking with
a very I would say profound, some profound gentlemen in
the educational field yesterday, very tied to Ben Navarro and
Meeting Street and everything that they're doing collectively for education.
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And you know that's the thing is, we have got
to re engage parents. Parents are the critical ingredient in
the secret sauce of success for our kids. And when
you put power back into the hands of parents, I
think you're going to get re engage them. Because you know,
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I listened to a lot of podcasts on education Talk
with Allen Weaver. You know, I travel around the state.
I love to read to kids, and so when I'm
in a certain area, we'll pick a school and all
read and talk about reading. And every teacher will tell
you the kids that do the best have parent involvement.
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You know, not every parent gets to stay home, right, So,
but any kind of parent involvement creates success for a
child in the educational world, whether that's just making sure
their homework's done, making sure they don't miss school, it is.
People are shocked. And you guys are very into education,
so you won't be shocked. We have a truancy epidemic
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like we've never seen. And if we can't get our
kids in the classroom, how do we expect them to
be successful? So parent involvement is key and critical to
improving every editable case, every educational system. And so a
long way to say, I'm very hopeful that this is
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going to meet the threshold for the Supreme Court. It
is a step in the right direction, but we cannot
stop right there.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I'm talking with the Lieutenant Governor, Pamela Evitt. I'm wondering,
as I read this in the Post and Courier, tell
me where my thinking is wrong here, because I'm sure
my thinking is wrong. Otherwise somebody else would have thought
of this. The South Carolina Constitution expressly prohibits public dollars
from going to private or parochial schools. The limitation conservatives
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have long railed against as biased towards lower income students
seeking alternatives to the state it's public school system. They
say that that even though they have a new plan,
some fear it will not pass in the Supreme Court. Here,
why not rewrite the constitution, put an amendment into it,
change it.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
We anytime you change the constitution, ask to go back
to the voters. We saw that with the with the
Lieutenant governor's position. Right, But I think this we are
right for that. I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I go very few places where I get pushed back
on school choice. If I'm getting pushed back, it's usually
from Democrats.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Right, tell me a democrat without telling me your democrat.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I hate school choice.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I hate school choice. Let's bring murders and rapists back
to our country after we rounded them up and departed them. Oh,
let's let's bring biological males into women's sports, because we
think that's fair and that helps young girls. Right, Yeah,
let me tell you. It doesn't take a lot to
listen to somebody. Oh, I know, I know how you vote.
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I know exactly how you vote. But you know, I
think we're we would be okay, if we put this
on the ballot, I think you would have you would
probably see some turnout, right, some turnout at the ballot box,
because we have got to get people in this state energized.
We've got to keep people around the get people around
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the country energized. People think they've done their job. They
voted for President Trump. He's in office. So now you
know the laziness like, Okay, turn off the news, get disengaged,
let's go back home. We're going to let everything work
itself out. That's not how that's not how this works.
You've got to stay on top of what's going on.
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You've got to look at issues that are going to
be on the ballot, and you have got to make
sure you come out for the midterms because when you
get to the general and it's the primary, Guys, less
than thirteen percent of South Carolinians voted in the primary
last June.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Probably half of them listened to wvoc's that.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Is that Yes, I am sure the percentage is very
high because you guys are doing your job. But let's go.
You know, when you have those kind of low numbers,
all kinds of things can happen, Like if you let
that sink in. Less than thirteen percent of the people
in the states are voting on things issues, people that
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will be at the helm and control things, and you,
your say was not in any of that. So you're
letting thirteen percent make the decisions for the collective holes.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Certainly, the three of us have talked about this before,
but I thought that him and Master probably could go
down as one of the greatest governors in the state
of South Carolina. I think, get school choice, if you
could bring the tax right down, and if you could
feel a damn pothole. Sally hit a pothole yesterday while
I was diverted, not watching out because you really have
to have somebody riding shotgun just to look for the
damn pots. But if we don't do something about the
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availability of being able to drive it all, every time
a voter hits a pothole, I think they curse.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Okay, so you know what I was. I was working,
I was I was with sd Doot, I was with
Justin Powell a few weeks ago, and every time I'm
with them, I'm like Dustin, I keep hearing about potholes. Okay,
this this I have. I have a solution, not a cure,
just a bit of a solution. There is now an
app on sddot's website that when you come across a pothole,
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you give the location and they will come out and
fill it.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Really like that, how long is that going to do
before they come out?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
He says that they have an entire crew on this,
so you'd identify that pothole. We'll do our own little experiment.
You identify the pothole if it's a road you drive
on all the time. I want you to tell me,
and I will go back to the director and say, hey,
my friends told me they did this. I gave them
your advice. They did this, and this is how long
it took. So either great job, you got it filled
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right away, or oh my gosh, that was a week ago,
you know, and we still haven't seen any any resolution.
But I told him, I said, you know, I see
a lot of work going on. I see you know,
I see cones going down, I see cones coming back up.
I said, But it's the potholes I keep hearing about.
And he said, tell everybody to go on our go
on our website, pull up our app, report it and
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we'll get it filled. We have a whole we have
cruise set aside to do that.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Okay, he's going to be on the clock because I'm
going to it's Mandy Thursday. I'm going to go through
the app and I'm going to report that pothole and
then we're going to I'm all right now, it's an
easy way for me to keep up with the timeline.
Mandy Thursday. I'm sending the email message excuse me, the
app you message where.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
You're checking in Now, I'm here for you.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You're checking in with us from the Heritage, which is
one of the biggest events in South Carolina annually. And
I understand your husband had good news.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
He did so he was invited to play in the
program esterday. He played with Jordan Speith the last nine holes,
the back nine, and they won. They won his group
on the last of the final nine. So I'm telling
you he was. He came in, he had a trophy.
Happier than our youngs has ever been when he's gotten
terrific kid like he was just walking a little bit taller.
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So I'm very proud of David. He he had a
great time and instead like you know, the golfers are
just amazing guys, like really like family guys, very nice
and talked about like how how they are so nice
to like the young like young ones right, like if
there's there's a youngster that has a hat or a
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ball or a tag. You know, if you're standing up
there and you got twenty hats, probably not going to
help you out. But to the young kids that are
rising golfers and looking up at them, he he just
couldn't couldn't talk enough about how how the golfers took
time out of their game. Now, again, it's the programs,
so they don't have millions of dollars on the line,
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so let's give them a little grace if they don't
stop right on Sunday when they're trying to take take
the tournament. But he said it was just it was
great to see.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Well, and you're there in an official capacity, it's not
just fun and games.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, So Sunday I'll be there. I will be giving
the trophy out in the eighteenth to the winner. I'm
really excited about that. It is going to be a
great day. And people don't realize is you know, the
advertisement to the world, right, because the Heritage is a
huge event. So people all across the world are looking
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on Sunday and Easter Sunday. It's on, you know, they're celebrating,
but the golf maybe on in the background. They're seeing
our beautiful beaches, they're seeing our immaculate golf courses, They're
seeing what South Carolina has to offer. And I would
I like Dwayne Parrish, our director of part I will
tell you that I'm sure they get so into seeing
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everybody playing that they're on their computer. They're booking a
trip to South Carolina. And so golf plays a huge
role in tourism, right, and so the heritage brings a
lot of tourism dollars back into our state. So it's
a great way to be spotlighted on Easter Sunday.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And then the other aspect, obviously, since you have a
very successful history in the business background of our state
as a company owner, but there are a lot of
CEOs of the like that you play host to or
I'm assuming the state still does a good job to
the South Carolina Department to Commerce and like showing off
our state to perspective suitors for being able to expand
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or bring new businesses into South Carolina. And one of
the things I wanted to ask you about specifically was
what do you think about the opportunity that's going to
be presented if the state will bend a little bit
Because we've got a guy who wants to PLoP down
a billion dollars to build a casino in the corridor.
A shame.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Well, you know that it's really funny. That is one
of those time topics that continue to be very polarizing.
You know, we have a lot of people that are
really against it, and then we have a lot of
people that are for it. So it's going it's going
to weigh a lot on the General Assembly and we'll
see what happens. We have nine days less guys, and
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we have a lot of big things that are are
really heading at us. We have tort reform that is
in conference trying to be sorted out, as you mentioned earlier.
We have our voucher system. We have DEI that's crossed
the aisle. We have a huge energy bill, and I
cannot stress enough that if you as you're talking. Being
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on the executive side of what happens in this state
and living my entire life in the executive role. If
we don't have energy, we can't grow. Businesses want affordable,
reliable energy to either expand or to drop root here.
And let's not mention we we all take for granted
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as consumers that every time we turn on that light switch,
those lights are gonna come on. So so we have
a lot going on. That energy bill needs to cross
session too, So a lot happening in the next nine
days for us to keep our eye on. And then
a budget, the budget. You know, I'm hearing good things
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getting brief done that also yesterday, and hearing that there
is really close to resolution, you know, so it looks
like the General Assembly may not be duking it out
and getting numbers to our desk it well into June.
So lots of good things, people working hard, But y'all
got to keep your eye on all these things that'll
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be moving around really quickly in the next nine days.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Well, my eye is on it, but it just it
seems like it moves like molasses until the last couple
of days, Like I don't know what they do all
session until oh, wait a minute, we're going to be
out of session here in a couple of hours. Let's
try to pass all these bills.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Now.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Well, you know that that is a little bit of
the difference between government and if you talk if you
talk to our people in the Senate, right, they will
tell you that government was designed to move slow because
if it moved fast, then there would be so many
laws on the books that we may not be happy
with that outcome either. Right, So that is their reasoning
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for me. You know, they deliberate all session long, and
they ponder, and they try to make the best things
they can, and then they realize, just like our kids
doing homework. Right, I'm a mom of three. My son
Jackson will tell you he deliberates over the paper he
has to write for weeks, and then the night before
he's frantically typing, having me check things, and then he's
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hurrying to submit it. So I kind of look at
being a mom has really prepped me for my role.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I was going to say, politicians are like your kids,
got it?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Well, you're right, we have a lot of the initiatives
come down to one of the things that people have
been talking about lately, and we haven't seen as much
news coverage in the past couple of days. It's about
the budget. Appearently we had good news bad news. The
good news is we're going to take away the ear
marks that often just led to gigantic checks the size
of Ed McMahon's TV commercial where we would just have
pet projects being paid for. But we weren't able to
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expedite our tax break any further than hopefully I hope
then I was hoping for. But at least we are
going to be able to bring it down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well we are, and I think so. A couple thoughts
I have on that. A couple of weeks ago, I
was invited to the White House and I spent some
time with Doge because I am a huge fan of
bringing Doge to South Carolina. You know, when I ran
my business, when I was at the Helm every single day,
every time at the end of every year, when David
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and I made critical decisions on where were we going
to take our profits, you know, and what we're going
to do our first and foremost, we always looked at efficiency,
like how do we make our company run more efficient?
How do we make sure that our clients know that,
you know, we're giving them everything that they have requested
and needed in a timely manner. And that's what DOJ
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is doing. At a state level, You're not going to see,
you know, oh, we're not going to uncover the billions
of dollars are going to a foreign entity. Like my god,
I would hope not. But because we have a balanced
budget every session, right, and I was kidding about that,
we don't give to foreign entities. But I'm just saying,
like you know, people think like, oh, we're going to
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find all this money. I'm very focused on how do
we make government more efficient? Because as we continue to
top this conversation about lowering taxes, I think people realize that.
You know, for seven years, I've always heard as I
traveled around, probably the number one suggestion is, why isn't
our tax structure more like North Carolina? Why isn't our
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tax structure more like North Carolina? North Carolina is at
this two point whatever rate and we should be there.
And I kept trying to say, it's a little bit
more complicated than just lowering the tax rate.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
The way you get to figuring out that percentage, it's
you've got to compare apples and apples. And I think
we found out when the General Assembly was going towards
a flat tax, which I don't know about you guys,
but the very first person I ever heard talk about
flat tax was Rush Limbaugh, and it was the conservative
way of thinking. Right off, flat tax means everybody pays
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their fair share, and that's what I think the General
Assembly was hoping to move towards. And then people kind
of said, well, wait, I don't think that's what we want.
And so it's my dad used to always say, be
careful what you wish for, right because you may get it,
and you better understand what it is you're wishing for.
And so that got the brakes kind of stalled on it.
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And now you know, it's back at the drawing board
to say, Okay, well maybe that's what people were asking for,
but now they've decided that's not what they want. But
you can't continue to lower taxes without figuring out how
to run efficiently. And when you talk about dollars, the
more the stake rows, the more we need dollars for
the critical things we need to run. Right, just like
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our home, if you have you bring more people in
your home your costs go up. So if we can
work if we can take that doge concept and work
on that and work on getting rid of regulations, then
lowering our taxes more and more every year becomes very manageable.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
We got Pamela Evid on the phone, Lieutenant governor. A
couple of thoughts. You talked about, you bring more people
into your home, your costs go up. I've always pointed
out that whether it's a community or a state, when
more people come into the quote unquote home, they're also
becoming taxpayers, and so they should be contributing to the home.
You mentioned regulations, and you mentioned dose. South Carolina has
a guy named rom Ready who's trying to launch South
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Carolina Doze, and he mentions in a recent post, South
Carolina has eighty four thousand regulations, which is fifth most
in the nation, only behind California, New York, New Jersey,
and Illinois. He says, this is an absolute disgrace and
an assault on the freedoms of the individuals in our state.
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Is there a thing that you can do as the governor,
if you were the governor or as a lieutenant governor or,
Is this just literally has to come from the legislature
start cutting these regulations.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Well, it depends on the regulation, right, It depends how
it was brought out. How is it brought on to
the books. Was it did it come through a bill
that was passed? Is it something that was done in
a committee? Right, So it's sitting down. The governor has
said to all the cabinet members to go through. I
think there's a lot of old things down there that
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you know, when you look at them, not all those
things I would venture to say or in play. You know,
some of these things are probably outdated and old, and
I think that's where you have to be deliberate. Let's
get in there, Let's start cleaning it up. Let's make
it more manageable. Let's make sure if there's an old
regulation that because of technology and the way you know,
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just the way you know we've evolved as a nation,
isn't even relevant anymore. Let's just get it off. So
it's not I think he's he maybe I haven't looked
at the number, but you know, if he looked at
it and said, these are how many regulations like, I
would be more concerned about how many are actually being
used or are valid?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
And then if they're not, Let's get them off so
it doesn't look so overwhelming. And that's what I'm passionate about.
I actually really agree with him, is like, let's just
clean it up then, and we just have to you
have to be focused on it. And I think that's
what DOGE did at the federal level. It made people
actually laser focus on getting this done right. When you
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ask somebody to do it, like when you tell your kids, like,
go through your clothes and tell me which ones don't
fit you anymore, right, so we can give them away.
It doesn't seem because you know they're doing their sports
and they're cleaning their room, and they're going to school,
and you know they're doing all these things. It seems
like a side thought. See again, being a mom really
helps me understand all these things. But I think when
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you have a group that's focused on it and that
and I'm not talking about growing government, right, but if
you have one person in each department or two people
that go through and just start sorting them right, use technology.
Let's tell how many of these regulations are eighty years old.
Let's start with those, right, give pull me up all
the ones that are eighty years old. Which ones can
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we get rid of, which ones aren't applicable, which ones
have to go back to the General Assembly. I think
that's a really good way to start, and I got
some really great ideas from being at the White House.
So I'm excited about that. I'm excited about cutting taxes,
and I'm excited about streamlining government.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, I'm excited about the fact we at least have
some momental going into these final days, wh can get
the General Assembly to come to an agreement as quickly
as possible, getting some of these things to the Governor's desk,
And then I know we have some big issues that
probably aren't to get clear. We're not going to be
able to come to the answers of all that we
need for our energy problem. But that is going to
be a massive problem. And I'd like to just toss
this out one more time because nobody ever thinks this
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is going to be an issue. But we're going to
have a warrant problem at some point in this state,
and that's going to be a dry morning when we
wake up and hit the faucep We don't have any
So I'm hoping that in the next session they'll be
able to pick that up. But in order to do that,
we've got to get all these other things across the
finish line.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
It's funny that you talk about water. You're the third
person this week who's brought it up, so that topic.
Over the last seven years of me being in this office,
literally in the last six months, I've heard people talking
about water and making sure that we are doing a
good job and making sure we have water, you know,
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far into the future. So I hope that makes you
feel good sometimes I think, you know, I get such
a different perspective being statewide and hearing people talk. But
it is something that's getting more and more on top
of mind for people.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Hooray, because that's going to be a huge pob if
we don't address it before it comes here. Liutend the governor,
thank you for your time. Thank you for using your
availability and your position to help CEOs feel more comfortable
and it Tyson then becomes South Carolina to create more
jobs here as you host and continue to host your
events around the heritage.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well, guys, thank you so much for having me on
every month and letting you give my little slice of
opinion about everything that's going on at the Capitol. And
around the state, and I hope to you and your
listeners a very blessed and happy Easter.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
All right, thanks, Lieutenant Governor. We'll be looking for you
with the trophy.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
All right, all right, I'll be the person in the
titan jacket.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Hey. By the way, I don't know after our last
conversation we had off the record, after our last podcast,
I mentioned something about the teasing of the app, but
there was everything happening with the lottery. I don't know
if you went over there with a cattle prod. But
like the next week, suddenly the app started popping up,
like at a point of purchase. They were directing people
to the app. There was actually some direction on the
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app about how to use these newly developed electronic coins.
So I don't know if you had anything to do
with that, but maybe it was just we talked about
it right before the timeline hit for more exposure for
the app. But it is more understandable now and I
think you're probably going to have more people using it now.
We'll see if you're able to get that little caveat
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of being able to use debit and cash or credit
cards as opposed to cash. So and that certainly would
give the availability and making more money for hopefully these
private vouchers that will be able to be legislatively used.
So I just want to give you a heads up.
If you went over there and banged a gong somewhere
and said, what's up, somebody was paying attention.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Well, I have a few friends on the Lottery Commission,
and so after our conversation, I gave him a call
and said, hey, I kind of got surprised done this,
what's going on? So I'm glad. I don't know. I
don't know if it was in the in the pipeline
or if just somebody recognizing it got everybody focused on it.
But hey, that's my job, like when people when people
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say to me, so what does the lieutenant governor do?
I can't fix alone pretty much problems on my own, right,
I have to go to but I can bring it
to people's attention. I can connect people to somebody who
can fix them. And really that's the best part of
my job, right. None of us can usually fix any
one thing all by ourselves, but when you work collaboratively
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with people, you can kind of get a lot done.
And so I'm glad. I'm glad that that has turned
around for you, and anytime I can be of help,
Like I said, that's probably the best part of my job,
So let me know.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And no, I didn't think it was appropriate to ask
her about the Nancy Mace comments about her husband. That's
why I didn't bring that up during the interview. Yeah. Plus,
that opens up the whole can of worms of the
governor's race, and we can talk about Killy and I
can talk about that, but at this point we're not
going to involve any of the possible candidates. Although nobody
is declared, right, nobody is officially declared for the governor's race.
(28:07):
Uh No, yeah, I think, God gosh, I wonder they
have all been behind the exploratory committee stage at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
And there was an article in the paper and I
didn't even read it today talking about who were the
potential candidates and whatnot. And I bet you if any
of them had been declared, it would have said, right
in that article, so and so has already declared. But
I know that, like you said, most of them have
not officially declared. Although I thought I remember somebody, oh
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was his name, guy from the low Country. Now it
was outn aken uh, he declared, and then he dropped
out the next day. You talk about yes, Ravenel was
in and out in a day.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Didn't take long for this Floor Tour Committee to come
back with an answer. No, yeah, that's not a good idea.
You ain't going to get it.
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Jonathan Rush So I asked the Vice president if I
could meet with mister Abrego Garcia Kelly Nash. He said
he was not able to make that happen. So I
asked him if I could get on the phone and
talk to mister Abrego Garcia. He said maybe if the
American Embassy were to ask.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
The Jonathan and Kelly Show. This guy is on every
major what are we calling him a heritage news legacy
legacy news programs? Senator van Holland, not van Halen.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Sorry, Senator Vayane Holland. The moose out front should have
told you prison's closed.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
He flew all the way there, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
He had it sounds like a sixty second conversation with
the Vice President of l Salvador who just said, no, no, no,
you could have sent an email on this. We would
have told you the same thing. No, now, get on
your plane and go home. I think he was home
for dinner last night.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Talked to the embassy. That's why we have an embassy.
We got on American embass right down the damn road.
We could have handled this with them, but that doesn't
get you grand standing on television.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And that's what it was all about. Right. He knew
he wasn't going to get in and see this guy.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
All right, let's talk about some more of that. Oh, look,
here it comes. It's the Double Secret Probationary Jonathan and
Kelly hotline flashing. Kelly Nash, welcome on the phone, and
our Lieutenant Governor Pamela Evant.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Hey, good morning, Good morning, my friends. I hope you're
all doing my hope. You know this is for all
of our Christians out there living. This is a very
holy time during our liturgical year, very sad time.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I was surprised by the way you brought it up.
As a state employee. I know you're working this weekend
because you're at the Heritage, but Kelly was reading me
a list of states where the employees have good Friday off.
In a city of Columbia's off, or the municipalities take
the day, but our state workers are working tomorrow. What's
up with that?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Well, that's something we're going to have to address. Right,
I will be working tomorrow, but it's you know, this
is something that for Christians is a big deal. I
when I was in the private sector, this is a
day we gave off. This is very something that Jesus
died on the cross tomorrow, and I think that's something
that a lot of people feel very deeply about having
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that period. I remember, being very young, my grandmother was
very strict about, you know, the point of time in
the afternoon when Jesus hung on the cross, like there
was no TV, there was no talking, like we literally
we set our prayers, and that really stuck with me,
right so as an adult. But you know, to everybody celebrating,
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I know not everybody that probably listens to your show
is of Christian nature, but if they are wishing you
a very blessed Easter season, you know, it's it's amazing
how we go from this time of morning to Easter Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Well, I'm hoping our next governor and whoever that may be,
and we want to get in We don't want to
get into that necessarily with it. Look might be giving
because even atheists like a day off. So all right,
let's let's talk about some state business. And I know
one of the things killing that we're talking about today
was we apparently have a compromise. Do you think this
will hold up the scrutiny from the South Carol Supreme Court.
(03:09):
We're able to state the compromise between the House and
the Senate for the school voucher plan.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
You know what, I believe it will. I was actually
getting brief done it yesterday. Great things. You know, I'm
not going to rest until we have one hundred percent
school choice, you know, with no with no caps, no limits.
We're seeing they're doing this in Texas. I just saw
a report on it this morning that Texas may join
the ranks of a lot of states who are allowing
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you know, full money follows the child school choice. And
in putting putting that power, I was actually talking with
a very I would say profound, some profound gentlemen in
the educational field yesterday, very tied to Ben Navarro and
Meeting Street and everything that they're doing collectively for education.
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And you know that's the thing is, we have got
to re engage parents. Parents are the critical ingredient in
the secret sauce of success for our kids. And when
you put power back into the hands of parents, I
think you're going to get re engage them. Because you know,
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I listened to a lot of podcasts on education Talk
with Allen Weaver. You know, I travel around the state.
I love to read to kids, and so when I'm
in a certain area, we'll pick a school and all
read and talk about reading. And every teacher will tell
you the kids that do the best have parent involvement.
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You know, not every parent gets to stay home, right, So,
but any kind of parent involvement creates success for a
child in the educational world, whether that's just making sure
their homework's done, making sure they don't miss school, it is.
People are shocked. And you guys are very into education,
so you won't be shocked. We have a truancy epidemic
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like we've never seen. And if we can't get our
kids in the classroom, how do we expect them to
be successful? So parent involvement is key and critical to
improving every editable case, every educational system. And so a
long way to say, I'm very hopeful that this is
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going to meet the threshold for the Supreme Court. It
is a step in the right direction, but we cannot
stop right there.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I'm talking with the Lieutenant Governor, Pamela Evitt. I'm wondering,
as I read this in the Post and Courier, tell
me where my thinking is wrong here, because I'm sure
my thinking is wrong. Otherwise somebody else would have thought
of this. The South Carolina Constitution expressly prohibits public dollars
from going to private or parochial schools. The limitation conservatives
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have long railed against as biased towards lower income students
seeking alternatives to the state it's public school system. They
say that that even though they have a new plan,
some fear it will not pass in the Supreme Court. Here,
why not rewrite the constitution, put an amendment into it,
change it.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
We anytime you change the constitution, ask to go back
to the voters. We saw that with the with the
Lieutenant governor's position. Right, But I think this we are
right for that. I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
I go very few places where I get pushed back
on school choice. If I'm getting pushed back, it's usually
from Democrats.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Right, tell me a democrat without telling me your democrat.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I hate school choice.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
I hate school choice. Let's bring murders and rapists back
to our country after we rounded them up and departed them. Oh,
let's let's bring biological males into women's sports, because we
think that's fair and that helps young girls. Right, Yeah,
let me tell you. It doesn't take a lot to
listen to somebody. Oh, I know, I know how you vote.
(07:02):
I know exactly how you vote. But you know, I
think we're we would be okay, if we put this
on the ballot, I think you would have you would
probably see some turnout, right, some turnout at the ballot box,
because we have got to get people in this state energized.
We've got to keep people around the get people around
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the country energized. People think they've done their job. They
voted for President Trump. He's in office. So now you
know the laziness like, Okay, turn off the news, get disengaged,
let's go back home. We're going to let everything work
itself out. That's not how that's not how this works.
You've got to stay on top of what's going on.
(07:44):
You've got to look at issues that are going to
be on the ballot, and you have got to make
sure you come out for the midterms because when you
get to the general and it's the primary, Guys, less
than thirteen percent of South Carolinians voted in the primary
last June.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Probably half of them listened to wvoc's that.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Is that Yes, I am sure the percentage is very
high because you guys are doing your job. But let's go.
You know, when you have those kind of low numbers,
all kinds of things can happen, Like if you let
that sink in. Less than thirteen percent of the people
in the states are voting on things issues, people that
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will be at the helm and control things, and you,
your say was not in any of that. So you're
letting thirteen percent make the decisions for the collective holes.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Certainly, the three of us have talked about this before,
but I thought that him and Master probably could go
down as one of the greatest governors in the state
of South Carolina. I think, get school choice, if you
could bring the tax right down, and if you could
feel a damn pothole. Sally hit a pothole yesterday while
I was diverted, not watching out because you really have
to have somebody riding shotgun just to look for the
damn pots. But if we don't do something about the
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availability of being able to drive it all, every time
a voter hits a pothole, I think they curse.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Okay, so you know what I was. I was working,
I was I was with sd Doot, I was with
Justin Powell a few weeks ago, and every time I'm
with them, I'm like Dustin, I keep hearing about potholes. Okay,
this this I have. I have a solution, not a cure,
just a bit of a solution. There is now an
app on sddot's website that when you come across a pothole,
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you give the location and they will come out and
fill it.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Really like that, how long is that going to do
before they come out?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
He says that they have an entire crew on this,
so you'd identify that pothole. We'll do our own little experiment.
You identify the pothole if it's a road you drive
on all the time. I want you to tell me,
and I will go back to the director and say, hey,
my friends told me they did this. I gave them
your advice. They did this, and this is how long
it took. So either great job, you got it filled
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right away, or oh my gosh, that was a week ago,
you know, and we still haven't seen any any resolution.
But I told him, I said, you know, I see
a lot of work going on. I see you know,
I see cones going down, I see cones coming back up.
I said, But it's the potholes I keep hearing about.
And he said, tell everybody to go on our go
on our website, pull up our app, report it and
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we'll get it filled. We have a whole we have
cruise set aside to do that.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Okay, he's going to be on the clock because I'm
going to it's Mandy Thursday. I'm going to go through
the app and I'm going to report that pothole and
then we're going to I'm all right now, it's an
easy way for me to keep up with the timeline.
Mandy Thursday. I'm sending the email message excuse me, the
app you message where.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
You're checking in Now, I'm here for you.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
You're checking in with us from the Heritage, which is
one of the biggest events in South Carolina annually. And
I understand your husband had good news.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
He did so he was invited to play in the
program esterday. He played with Jordan Speith the last nine holes,
the back nine, and they won. They won his group
on the last of the final nine. So I'm telling
you he was. He came in, he had a trophy.
Happier than our youngs has ever been when he's gotten
terrific kid like he was just walking a little bit taller.
(11:20):
So I'm very proud of David. He he had a
great time and instead like you know, the golfers are
just amazing guys, like really like family guys, very nice
and talked about like how how they are so nice
to like the young like young ones right, like if
there's there's a youngster that has a hat or a
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ball or a tag. You know, if you're standing up
there and you got twenty hats, probably not going to
help you out. But to the young kids that are
rising golfers and looking up at them, he he just
couldn't couldn't talk enough about how how the golfers took
time out of their game. Now, again, it's the programs,
so they don't have millions of dollars on the line,
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so let's give them a little grace if they don't
stop right on Sunday when they're trying to take take
the tournament. But he said it was just it was
great to see.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Well, and you're there in an official capacity, it's not
just fun and games.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, So Sunday I'll be there. I will be giving
the trophy out in the eighteenth to the winner. I'm
really excited about that. It is going to be a
great day. And people don't realize is you know, the
advertisement to the world, right, because the Heritage is a
huge event. So people all across the world are looking
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on Sunday and Easter Sunday. It's on, you know, they're celebrating,
but the golf maybe on in the background. They're seeing
our beautiful beaches, they're seeing our immaculate golf courses, They're
seeing what South Carolina has to offer. And I would
I like Dwayne Parrish, our director of part I will
tell you that I'm sure they get so into seeing
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everybody playing that they're on their computer. They're booking a
trip to South Carolina. And so golf plays a huge
role in tourism, right, and so the heritage brings a
lot of tourism dollars back into our state. So it's
a great way to be spotlighted on Easter Sunday.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
And then the other aspect, obviously, since you have a
very successful history in the business background of our state
as a company owner, but there are a lot of
CEOs of the like that you play host to or
I'm assuming the state still does a good job to
the South Carolina Department to Commerce and like showing off
our state to perspective suitors for being able to expand
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or bring new businesses into South Carolina. And one of
the things I wanted to ask you about specifically was
what do you think about the opportunity that's going to
be presented if the state will bend a little bit
Because we've got a guy who wants to PLoP down
a billion dollars to build a casino in the corridor.
A shame.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Well, you know that it's really funny. That is one
of those time topics that continue to be very polarizing.
You know, we have a lot of people that are
really against it, and then we have a lot of
people that are for it. So it's going it's going
to weigh a lot on the General Assembly and we'll
see what happens. We have nine days less guys, and
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we have a lot of big things that are are
really heading at us. We have tort reform that is
in conference trying to be sorted out, as you mentioned earlier.
We have our voucher system. We have DEI that's crossed
the aisle. We have a huge energy bill, and I
cannot stress enough that if you as you're talking. Being
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on the executive side of what happens in this state
and living my entire life in the executive role. If
we don't have energy, we can't grow. Businesses want affordable,
reliable energy to either expand or to drop root here.
And let's not mention we we all take for granted
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as consumers that every time we turn on that light switch,
those lights are gonna come on. So so we have
a lot going on. That energy bill needs to cross
session too, So a lot happening in the next nine
days for us to keep our eye on. And then
a budget, the budget. You know, I'm hearing good things
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getting brief done that also yesterday, and hearing that there
is really close to resolution, you know, so it looks
like the General Assembly may not be duking it out
and getting numbers to our desk it well into June.
So lots of good things, people working hard, But y'all
got to keep your eye on all these things that'll
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be moving around really quickly in the next nine days.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Well, my eye is on it, but it just it
seems like it moves like molasses until the last couple
of days, Like I don't know what they do all
session until oh, wait a minute, we're going to be
out of session here in a couple of hours. Let's
try to pass all these bills.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Now.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Well, you know that that is a little bit of
the difference between government and if you talk if you
talk to our people in the Senate, right, they will
tell you that government was designed to move slow because
if it moved fast, then there would be so many
laws on the books that we may not be happy
with that outcome either. Right, So that is their reasoning
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for me. You know, they deliberate all session long, and
they ponder, and they try to make the best things
they can, and then they realize, just like our kids
doing homework. Right, I'm a mom of three. My son
Jackson will tell you he deliberates over the paper he
has to write for weeks, and then the night before
he's frantically typing, having me check things, and then he's
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hurrying to submit it. So I kind of look at
being a mom has really prepped me for my role.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I was going to say, politicians are like your kids,
got it?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Well, you're right, we have a lot of the initiatives
come down to one of the things that people have
been talking about lately, and we haven't seen as much
news coverage in the past couple of days. It's about
the budget. Appearently we had good news bad news. The
good news is we're going to take away the ear
marks that often just led to gigantic checks the size
of Ed McMahon's TV commercial where we would just have
pet projects being paid for. But we weren't able to
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expedite our tax break any further than hopefully I hope
then I was hoping for. But at least we are
going to be able to bring it down a little bit.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well we are, and I think so. A couple thoughts
I have on that. A couple of weeks ago, I
was invited to the White House and I spent some
time with Doge because I am a huge fan of
bringing Doge to South Carolina. You know, when I ran
my business, when I was at the Helm every single day,
every time at the end of every year, when David
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and I made critical decisions on where were we going
to take our profits, you know, and what we're going
to do our first and foremost, we always looked at efficiency,
like how do we make our company run more efficient?
How do we make sure that our clients know that,
you know, we're giving them everything that they have requested
and needed in a timely manner. And that's what DOJ
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is doing. At a state level, You're not going to see,
you know, oh, we're not going to uncover the billions
of dollars are going to a foreign entity. Like my god,
I would hope not. But because we have a balanced
budget every session, right, and I was kidding about that,
we don't give to foreign entities. But I'm just saying,
like you know, people think like, oh, we're going to
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find all this money. I'm very focused on how do
we make government more efficient? Because as we continue to
top this conversation about lowering taxes, I think people realize that.
You know, for seven years, I've always heard as I
traveled around, probably the number one suggestion is, why isn't
our tax structure more like North Carolina? Why isn't our
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tax structure more like North Carolina? North Carolina is at
this two point whatever rate and we should be there.
And I kept trying to say, it's a little bit
more complicated than just lowering the tax rate.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
The way you get to figuring out that percentage, it's
you've got to compare apples and apples. And I think
we found out when the General Assembly was going towards
a flat tax, which I don't know about you guys,
but the very first person I ever heard talk about
flat tax was Rush Limbaugh, and it was the conservative
way of thinking. Right off, flat tax means everybody pays
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their fair share, and that's what I think the General
Assembly was hoping to move towards. And then people kind
of said, well, wait, I don't think that's what we want.
And so it's my dad used to always say, be
careful what you wish for, right because you may get it,
and you better understand what it is you're wishing for.
And so that got the brakes kind of stalled on it.
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And now you know, it's back at the drawing board
to say, Okay, well maybe that's what people were asking for,
but now they've decided that's not what they want. But
you can't continue to lower taxes without figuring out how
to run efficiently. And when you talk about dollars, the
more the stake rows, the more we need dollars for
the critical things we need to run. Right, just like
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our home, if you have you bring more people in
your home your costs go up. So if we can
work if we can take that doge concept and work
on that and work on getting rid of regulations, then
lowering our taxes more and more every year becomes very manageable.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
We got Pamela Evid on the phone, Lieutenant governor. A
couple of thoughts. You talked about, you bring more people
into your home, your costs go up. I've always pointed
out that whether it's a community or a state, when
more people come into the quote unquote home, they're also
becoming taxpayers, and so they should be contributing to the home.
You mentioned regulations, and you mentioned dose. South Carolina has
a guy named rom Ready who's trying to launch South
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Carolina Doze, and he mentions in a recent post, South
Carolina has eighty four thousand regulations, which is fifth most
in the nation, only behind California, New York, New Jersey,
and Illinois. He says, this is an absolute disgrace and
an assault on the freedoms of the individuals in our state.
(21:15):
Is there a thing that you can do as the governor,
if you were the governor or as a lieutenant governor or,
Is this just literally has to come from the legislature
start cutting these regulations.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Well, it depends on the regulation, right, It depends how
it was brought out. How is it brought on to
the books. Was it did it come through a bill
that was passed? Is it something that was done in
a committee? Right, So it's sitting down. The governor has
said to all the cabinet members to go through. I
think there's a lot of old things down there that
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you know, when you look at them, not all those
things I would venture to say or in play. You know,
some of these things are probably outdated and old, and
I think that's where you have to be deliberate. Let's
get in there, Let's start cleaning it up. Let's make
it more manageable. Let's make sure if there's an old
regulation that because of technology and the way you know,
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just the way you know we've evolved as a nation,
isn't even relevant anymore. Let's just get it off. So
it's not I think he's he maybe I haven't looked
at the number, but you know, if he looked at
it and said, these are how many regulations like, I
would be more concerned about how many are actually being
used or are valid?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Right?
Speaker 4 (22:31):
And then if they're not, Let's get them off so
it doesn't look so overwhelming. And that's what I'm passionate about.
I actually really agree with him, is like, let's just
clean it up then, and we just have to you
have to be focused on it. And I think that's
what DOGE did at the federal level. It made people
actually laser focus on getting this done right. When you
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ask somebody to do it, like when you tell your kids, like,
go through your clothes and tell me which ones don't
fit you anymore, right, so we can give them away.
It doesn't seem because you know they're doing their sports
and they're cleaning their room, and they're going to school,
and you know they're doing all these things. It seems
like a side thought. See again, being a mom really
helps me understand all these things. But I think when
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you have a group that's focused on it and that
and I'm not talking about growing government, right, but if
you have one person in each department or two people
that go through and just start sorting them right, use technology.
Let's tell how many of these regulations are eighty years old.
Let's start with those, right, give pull me up all
the ones that are eighty years old. Which ones can
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we get rid of, which ones aren't applicable, which ones
have to go back to the General Assembly. I think
that's a really good way to start, and I got
some really great ideas from being at the White House.
So I'm excited about that. I'm excited about cutting taxes,
and I'm excited about streamlining government.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, I'm excited about the fact we at least have
some momental going into these final days, wh can get
the General Assembly to come to an agreement as quickly
as possible, getting some of these things to the Governor's desk,
And then I know we have some big issues that
probably aren't to get clear. We're not going to be
able to come to the answers of all that we
need for our energy problem. But that is going to
be a massive problem. And I'd like to just toss
this out one more time because nobody ever thinks this
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is going to be an issue. But we're going to
have a warrant problem at some point in this state,
and that's going to be a dry morning when we
wake up and hit the faucep We don't have any
So I'm hoping that in the next session they'll be
able to pick that up. But in order to do that,
we've got to get all these other things across the
finish line.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
It's funny that you talk about water. You're the third
person this week who's brought it up, so that topic.
Over the last seven years of me being in this office,
literally in the last six months, I've heard people talking
about water and making sure that we are doing a
good job and making sure we have water, you know,
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far into the future. So I hope that makes you
feel good sometimes I think, you know, I get such
a different perspective being statewide and hearing people talk. But
it is something that's getting more and more on top
of mind for people.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Hooray, because that's going to be a huge pob if
we don't address it before it comes here. Liutend the governor,
thank you for your time. Thank you for using your
availability and your position to help CEOs feel more comfortable
and it Tyson then becomes South Carolina to create more
jobs here as you host and continue to host your
events around the heritage.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well, guys, thank you so much for having me on
every month and letting you give my little slice of
opinion about everything that's going on at the Capitol. And
around the state, and I hope to you and your
listeners a very blessed and happy Easter.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
All right, thanks, Lieutenant Governor. We'll be looking for you
with the trophy.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
All right, all right, I'll be the person in the
titan jacket.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Hey. By the way, I don't know after our last
conversation we had off the record, after our last podcast,
I mentioned something about the teasing of the app, but
there was everything happening with the lottery. I don't know
if you went over there with a cattle prod. But
like the next week, suddenly the app started popping up,
like at a point of purchase. They were directing people
to the app. There was actually some direction on the
(26:12):
app about how to use these newly developed electronic coins.
So I don't know if you had anything to do
with that, but maybe it was just we talked about
it right before the timeline hit for more exposure for
the app. But it is more understandable now and I
think you're probably going to have more people using it now.
We'll see if you're able to get that little caveat
(26:32):
of being able to use debit and cash or credit
cards as opposed to cash. So and that certainly would
give the availability and making more money for hopefully these
private vouchers that will be able to be legislatively used.
So I just want to give you a heads up.
If you went over there and banged a gong somewhere
and said, what's up, somebody was paying attention.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Well, I have a few friends on the Lottery Commission,
and so after our conversation, I gave him a call
and said, hey, I kind of got surprised done this,
what's going on? So I'm glad. I don't know. I
don't know if it was in the in the pipeline
or if just somebody recognizing it got everybody focused on it.
But hey, that's my job, like when people when people
(27:13):
say to me, so what does the lieutenant governor do?
I can't fix alone pretty much problems on my own, right,
I have to go to but I can bring it
to people's attention. I can connect people to somebody who
can fix them. And really that's the best part of
my job, right. None of us can usually fix any
one thing all by ourselves, but when you work collaboratively
(27:34):
with people, you can kind of get a lot done.
And so I'm glad. I'm glad that that has turned
around for you, and anytime I can be of help,
Like I said, that's probably the best part of my job,
So let me know.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And no, I didn't think it was appropriate to ask
her about the Nancy Mace comments about her husband. That's
why I didn't bring that up during the interview. Yeah. Plus,
that opens up the whole can of worms of the
governor's race, and we can talk about Killy and I
can talk about that, but at this point we're not
going to involve any of the possible candidates. Although nobody
is declared, right, nobody is officially declared for the governor's race.
(28:07):
Uh No, yeah, I think, God gosh, I wonder they
have all been behind the exploratory committee stage at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
And there was an article in the paper and I
didn't even read it today talking about who were the
potential candidates and whatnot. And I bet you if any
of them had been declared, it would have said, right
in that article, so and so has already declared. But
I know that, like you said, most of them have
not officially declared. Although I thought I remember somebody, oh
(28:38):
was his name, guy from the low Country. Now it
was outn aken uh, he declared, and then he dropped
out the next day. You talk about yes, Ravenel was
in and out in a day.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Didn't take long for this Floor Tour Committee to come
back with an answer. No, yeah, that's not a good idea.
You ain't going to get it.
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