06 05 25 SC Dems say its not the message, it's the absence of a messenger ... the media!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Jonathan and Kelly Show. Jonathan the author
of a new book called.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Independent Kelly Nash, I think we need.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
To stop thinking in boxes and think outside of our boxes.
Jonathan and Kelly show the historical American figure, hysterical American
figure think it out of the box with a brand
new book called Independent.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
SOJP she has left the Democrat Party, then, yes, Carne
Jean Pierre. She's willing to walk with anybody who will
accept her community and then take themselves out of their
political box and think out of the box. I would
like to test her theory on that, and so I
would be willing to show up and have a discussion

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with her and say I support all of this, all
the things you're saying, I support it. Will you support me?
And if we walk hand in hand and I'm wearing
my Maga hat? Uh oh, are you still willing? I
supported you? You got your rainbow hat on, but your hat.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Now, she's a member of a community. It's not just
her is her community.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I understand that I support the gay and lesbian and
the pride community. By the way, did you see.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
She wants you to come out of your box now?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
She says in her box. She can't climb out of
her box, but she wants you to come out of yours.
I saw who's that Rob Schneider, the comedian. Did you
see his joke about gay pride?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Not recently?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
It's hysterical. They played it on the Joe Rogan podcast
the other day and Joe Rogan is like, I can't
believe he said this. And he says they want a
whole month. I mean, that's a that's a bit much,
isn't it. I mean, you know, look, you go and
you're a veteran. You fought for America. You get a day, right,

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you founded the country. You don't even get a day.
You got to share it with ab blinken who freed
the slaves. They get they they gotta share a day. Oh,
you died fighting for the country. You died, you get
a day, we call it Memorial Day. But you're a homosexual,
so we get a whole month. You get a whole
flipping month.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
A month with thirty one days. It's even more than
the Black Skid American African American American History or African
American Month. It's only twenty eight day.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
So we got to celebrate carinje on Pierre based on
that over sixty days a year, because she's black and gay.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
That's true, So Sally. I think, if Sally asked me
last night, how did she get how does she print
that book? I said, whom at stop. Don't judge a
book by its cover. I think all of the printed
so far as the cover, and there is a great cover,
the cracked ceiling, the craigs, the what is it? What's
the subtitle inside the Broken White House?

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I gess.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Or it could be that even early on it was
such a coup on the American people that we elected
a guy who I can't remember his name, that she
thought it was so blatant. She even thought to herself,
and I'm surprised the book is entitled you ain't gonna
believe this. Maybe it was so plain to even KJP

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that this was the biggest coup and secret going on
in American political history, that she started taking notes early on.
Maybe that big three ring binder she carries around was
just her taking notes of the day so she could
compile her book. I don't know, but I got a
feeling we're going to find out that although I and

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a lot of people never liked Joe Biden for a
lot of different reasons. We don't need to get into.
It's really just going to be a cover to cover
and up must read, and I don't know if this
would be the must read. There's gonna be so many
books about this administration that shows that even Hillary Clinton
could learn some lessons about how to be jaded, self centered,

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self appointed, self anointed, narcissistic, green, and self fulfilling. Because
this woman is going to end up being the most
notorious of all the family members, which is pretty tough
to pick.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
It's interesting that she mentions in the interview, or it's
not even an interview, it's a promo video that she
posted regarding this new book of hers that people often
stop her in the grocery store and ask her what
are we going to do to save democracy? How are
we going to fix the country. It's interesting that if
all the people they could ask, they ask her. So

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they must believe that in that binder the answers are there.
And so maybe we could elect caringe On Pierre as
our next president and her binder. Maybe just elect the binder.
Do we even need her? We just have the binder?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
She said as she travels with the country, and even
in her community, she drops her child off at school
or travels in the grocery stores and shops in the
grocery store. And I was thinking to myself, if I
saw that she traveled at Columbia, South Carolina for some reason,
and it was across the street in five points, would
I even take the time to cross the street to
ask her anything?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
And if I saw her in the produce section and
I because our eyes met and she was blinking at
me with that bizarre eyeshadow, and I had to ask
her something, would that be the question I would ask
the country?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
You know what? I you know what? I would go
animal house on her, and I would just pick up,
pick up like a cucumber and go Mine's bigger. I
know that breaks your heart. Mine is bigger. The There's
a video of Charlie Kirk which is a pretty funny
video where he's at a dinner table and incomes Doug Emhoff.

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The camera doesn't show you it's Charlie Kirk's table, it's
just somebody at the table with Charlie Kirk and they're
filming Doug em Hoff walking through the restaurant and then
he walks right behind Charlie Kirk and then the camera
stops on Charlie Kirk and he just looks at the
camera and he goes total beta. The timing on it
is just impeccable. Now.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
So we got that going on, and then we got
something there seems to be a threat of consistency. And
I don't know if this is a a concerted effort
by these individuals, but we've got something going on that
could be a chapter in the book called the Beards
of the Democrat Party. Seems like every guy who wants
to take the lead, as it's being pointed out by

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a man who's a terrible candidate, as he says of himself,
Tim Walls. Tim Wallace wants to make sure that we
understand how to relate to men. We've got Swallwell growing
a beard. We got Buddhajet growing a beard. It's just
the manly thing to do with the Democrat Party. We're
going to have the candidate growing candidates that we think
are going to be the leaders of the party. The
face of the opposition is going to be covered with

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a well maintained beard.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
It's interesting that they want the mail vote now because
They've done everything they can to alienate the men for decades.
I mean, even what's a future president. David Hogg was
talking about how nobody who's under the age of like
thirty five likes you. You guys are mean spirit. You
make men out to be monsters. The toxic masculinity movement

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that was so popular in twenty nineteen through about twenty
twenty three is one of the more insane things that
what they've done. But it's not the first time they've
done it. I mean, you go back to the early nineties.
They were starting it, then they lost momentum. They brought
it back in the early two thousands, it lost momentum.
They brought it back at the end of the twenty teens.
It's now lost momentum again. The basic theory is is

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that men's normal behavior is unhealthy for the planet. That
men like to flirt with women or pursue women. That
is being called sexual harassment. If I try to talk
to you, that's harassment. I I if I go on
a date with you and actually have intimate relations with you,

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and you wake up the next morning regretting it. That
has happened to probably hundreds of millions of women throughout
the world displaying your dominant where they woke up the
next morning and go, you know what, I probably had
too much to drink last night. That was a bad decision.
I shouldn't have done that. I was thinking about my
ex when I did that. I shouldn't done whatever that

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is now reclassified as rape. And so you've got this
whole idea of their minimizing real crimes and then just
making all of our behavior criminal. And like I said,
this is not the first time we've done this, and
that's why we've ended up in an era where young
men are so confused they don't even now they're losing

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their gender. They don't even know what gender they are.
But they're so confused the guys who are trying to
be straight males that they're total betas. They don't dare
talk to a woman because that's considered harassment, So they
sit in a corner and wait for some girl who's
bold enough to talk to him. We're having a role
reversal here, brought on by the libs.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
So why did they fail victim to the school counselor
that led them to the doctor's office, that led them
to the surgeon to cut off their PP and made
a vagina out of it with something called vagina plasty.
Why do I even know what that word means? Why
should I even know what that means? And then signed
up to become a high dollar big pharma customer for

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the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well, allow me to talk to girls finally, Yeah, they
could be I want to talk to girls. I'll be
willing to become one. It's like Bosom Buddies. We taken
the comedy show and made it real life for God's sake,
And you didn't bring up the fact they like to
blow crap up and they.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Like to hit people. Well, they're violences, I mean to
the toxicivity of these guys.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well you think about what they've gone through. I saw
a video maybe you've seen it as well, that came up,
like I guess yesterday, where there's some guy working with
like a group of homeless people. It looks like I
might be misc might just be typical Seattle people, but
they look to be homeless and they're coming up to
his table and he's got like little bags of I'm

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assuming toilet trees and stuff to give the homeless people.
All right, all right, there's a transgendered male to female
who happens to be near the back of the line,
who one of the maybe one or more of the
homeless people is either giving them a hard time or
actually physically abusing them at that point, okay, he she

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runs to the front of the line. This is where
the video starts. He she runs to the front of
the line and starts screaming at this guy, are you
effing gonna do anything? And he's like, ma'am, I'm not
the police, and she and they just keep screaming at him.
I want the f in decency that everybody else is
getting and he's like, understand that, but I have nothing

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to do with that. I'm just here to help the homeless.
And he She gets so mad that they like pick
up the table and they flip it over and then
just storm off. And I'm like, well, you know what,
no wonder because you don't know if you have a
penis or don't have a penis, if I'm a male,
if I'm a female, and then somebody's given me a
hard time. Life is really tough if you're a liberal,

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because you're always offended. You don't know what to do,
you don't have any more natural instincts. Whatever your natural
instincts are, are completely wrong, So you got to rewire yourself.
It's a miserable life.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, and we even saw it celebrated today on MSNBC
and I can't remember the woman's name. But now we
created so much flux with the men and what their
role in a relationship is. In particular, she's written a
book called The Pleasure of Going a Year Without Sex
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
There's something about celebrating a year without having any sexual relationship. Well,
of course you had to go for a year.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
I'm surprised it didn't last longer.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Her husband. I actually enjoyed that as.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Well as she stood there in his French made outfit
serving up some coffee.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Looking like Glenn Grinweld.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Now we move on to the chaos, the corruption, and
the bigger tree. The bigger tree of Donald Trump's He
started this as the first administration and he was slapped
down temporarily and then they had to rewrite it. But
he's still banning people to come in from other countries.
This is big a tree. This is corruption. Well, this
is bigotree. But he goes along with the corruption of
the chaos as we watched an interview with a I

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think it was a Pennsylvania House member. This woman spoke
as if she was a typical American citizen who only
read the headlines. She had absolutely no information to bring
to the table. And you would have thought that the
reason we brought her on the news program was because
she's on a committee somewhat or maybe sure her position
inside the House has somehow allowed her to get some
inside her information so we can find out what's really

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going on. But she's this cluelesses most of the people
you meet on the street.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, she was brought on MSNBC specifically to say that
there's great concerns now that Donald Trump's behavior has become normalized.
It's not normal what Donald Trump is doing. Donald Trump
is a menace, and Donald Trump hates people of color,
any color that's not white. And that's why he's actually

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restricted travel from twelve countries now. And then she says,
and then he provided no information as to why he
picked these just random twelve countries. Well, I can read
you from his White House press release from last night,
just one couple of lines from it. I directed the
Secretary of State and coordination with the Attorney General, the
Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Director of National Intelligence

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to identify countries throughout the world for which their vetting
and screening information is so deficient as to warrant a
full or partial suspension on the admission of nationals from
those countries. There's your answerty clear, that's.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
The engine they hit that on the White House web page.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, it's cleverly disguised at white House dot gov headline
restricting the entry of foreign nationals to protect the United
States from foreign terrorists.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
And I do like the fact that they carved out
and it's a long list. It's like ten different reasons
of things that would be allowed if you are from
one of those countries, the athletes coming for the Olympics.
And there's the rest of the list also printed on
the White House web page. Because I haven't been to
that web page, but there's like ten different reasons of
why you will be allowed even if you're from that country,

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to travel into the US, travel in and out as
you see fit.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
And by the way, each one of those countries gets
its own paragraph as to what they found deficient in
their system. So, like if you want to read about Haiti,
like why is Haiti specifically targeted. They've got a whole
thing talking about in Haitian's thirty one point three eight
percent of the people are not even checked before they

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board a plane. So they're just going through all the
reasons as to Somalia, Yemen, so on and so forth.
Is for yours your question, I'm trying to get to
the bottom of this thing, which is it's a very
long piece. Maybe that's the reason is she didn't read it.
It's so long.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
There are a list of exceptions, but the bottom line
is this, and this is probably what the article should
have been entitled, You ain't got no business here. I mean,
that's exactly if you've got business here. If you are
a government employee, if you're part of an that's a
sha for an employee, an ambassador of the like. If
you're a business person traveling in and out, you made

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certainly we seem investments probably from some of those countries
as well are persons who call them home. So there's
a whole list of things that you can use as reasoning,
and you will be allowed to travel into the US,
into the air port of your choice. But the headline
should be you ain't got no business here. If you
ain't got no business here, you ain't coming here. So
there you go, you ain't got no business here. And

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then the other thing that I thought it was laughable
about the interview that we're talking about from the house
member in Pennsylvania, and her name will come to me
in a minute, was the bigotry comment this as we
find out that Joe Biden, who is a Catholic in
good standing according to the then Pope, for Pete's sake,

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the FBI's anti Catholic positioning is becoming one of the things,
just one of the things you're going to hear about
more and more of as Cash Bettel releases more information
about the past behavior of the intelligence community and of
the FBI.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I mean, before the end of the Biden administration, it
was obvious that they were targeting conservatives. They told you that.
They didn't say we're targeting conservatives, but they said that
we have concerns about people who attend church, we have
concerns about people who consume right wing media, we have
concerns about people who own weapons. Well, just described one

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hundred percent of the Fox News audience.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yes, you have concerns about it.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
And that would be enough according to cash Bettel now
and what's her face of the documents that they've read,
that was an okay to the FBI for the agents
to then open cases against Americans because they were known
church attenders who also consumed right wing media, who also

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owned weapons. If you checked those three boxes, and I
know everybody that we talked to in this building checks
all three of those boxes, then that is enough for
an FBI agent to open an investigation into your private life. Certainly,
it's not anymore. It was up until yes, a couple
of months ago, including Joe Widen mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Well, he checked one of the boxes because he was
a Catholic in good standing, but.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
He didn't attend church regularly. And I don't think, I
don't believe that he actually owned that shotgun. But he
told Jill to fire it off the front porch or whatever.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
You open up the patio doors, to just fire it
out the window. Both perils, he said, yeah, And that's
at the VP's residents.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, right there, security outside.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
You just killed a security dude.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I heard some rustling. Better be safe than sorry. Hey.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
As we continue to hear from Washington, DC and those
persons who are the head of the Democrat Party or
are striving to be the calls for the action from
people like Tim Wallace. You got a bully Donald Trump,
you got to bully him back, but at the same
time show that you can have a tremendous amount of fun.
We have South Carolina Democrats here struggling with direction and

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leadership through a rough twenty twenty five state House session.
As reported in an article on The Posting Courier, a
growing chorus of voices inside the Democrats South Carolina House
Caucus is calling for a change in leadership after a
disappointing legislative session. Now that certainly is putting a target
right on the back of Todd Rutherford, because he is

(19:04):
and has been for a long time now, the face
of the Democrat Party, particularly in the House.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, and I mean I get it. They're frustrated. It's
interesting that the angles that they're taking, I mean, some
of them are like, what's her face the lady, No, No,
the lady who used to be the leader back in
like two thousand and two or something like that, And
she says, some people guilda coop. Hunter says that some
you know, some people like our current leader thinks that

(19:31):
this is a lifetime appointment. We're supposed to be swapping
you out every few years. Okay, So she believes in
term limits. I like that. I al know she is
going to apply him to herself or not.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
That is uncharacteristic of her.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
But Heather Bauer brings up the fact that she felt
unsupported by the Democrat Party when she wanted to run
an impeachment against Curtis Loftis, the state treasurer. I can't
imagine that she was unsupport in that effort because she
even had some Republicans siding with her. So I don't

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know what she means by that, but maybe Todd Ruttherford
wasn't encouraging enough, but that she wants to run against
him now.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well another Democrats are concerned that the caucus seemed to
be disorganized under Brutherford, oftentimes coming to the House floor
without a coherent strategy to count of the GOP talking
points of any particular legislation, whatever is going to be
happening of the day. They should have been given the
strategy of the day in order to fight back. What
is the supermajority. So, and that's what a lot of
people say. Look, you can have all the strategy you'd like,

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and we can change leadership. But until you get a
position where we can actually have a voice in what's
going to come to the agenda and then actually change
the outcome of the legislation that has discussed on the
House floor, we're really not going to be in a
position to cast stones at anybody for poor leadership when
our votes are, as you say, under the supermajority, not

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going to be able to change the legislation coming out
of the House and headed over to the Senate or
vice versa.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
You got the freshman legislator, a guy named Ed Sutton
from Charleston, who says, I love this guy's talk. The
average voter is trying to pay bills and raise a family.
Everybody agrees with that, right. The next line is they're
not looking for a Ted talk on pronouns, which is
exactly what Todd Rutherford loves to do. He loves to

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do the Democrat thing, and so that's fantastic pushback from him,
and that makes a lot of sense. Todd Rutherford, though
he's got somebody else to blame. It's not himself, it's
the media. The media does not give us the attention
that we need. Look, it's not the way it used
to be. We used to have a once robust state

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House press corps. It's been greatly diminished, and so they
don't actually cover the minority party. So I am now
encouraging all members to create your own news source. I
don't know what that means, my own news source, but
create your own stories because the mainstream media won't run
with it. Are you flipping kidding me? Todd? Every single
time we talk about a story in the posting courier

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wis WLTX any the media that what would be considered
mainstream media in South Carolina, we talk about how far
to the left these reporters are.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, it's amazing. We take it the headline. You read
it much like the House member from Pennsylvania we spoke of.
If you stop right there, all you know is is
that the Republicans are up to their old tricks again.
But they're a good old boy system. That's all you
hear out of people who don't are ill informed. It's
just a good old boy system. Well, now you've got
the good old boy system inside the House Caucus. The

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Democrat caucus has got a crack in it now because
they're good old boy systems is not good enough. So
now we've got to find a way to make sure
that this is You're never going to get new members
of the Democrat Party to get to a position in
the state of South Carolina or any state. It's going
to be. I'd rather for the Yoda cob hunter or
just like it is in DC. It's just a shadow

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of everything we see about the national television and so
far as MBSITCCNN of the light carrying the water for
the national Democrat Party. Kelly just went through the long
list of local news outlets here who have absolutely been
carrying order for the Democrat Party every article that they print.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Well, we've got you know, DC's got AOC, We've got
the less attractive, more violent sounding Heather Bower here, and
Heather Bauer says, quote, my look, my philosophy has always been, no,
we don't have the numbers, but we can and should
make the Republicans lives a living hell. That's that's the goal,

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and that's that is the goal of most Democrats in America.
We don't want to fix anything.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
We can't fix it.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
We want to make the Republicans angry. We want them
to be embarrassed of themselves. We want them to have
a hard time. Well, if they go out in the
public and they have a time at a restaurant, scream
at their kids, go ahead and call their kids names,
try to block them from entering target or something like that.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, you know, you may very well have Heather Bauer
coming up, because I understand somewhere in this article, if
I went back and found it, I could find it
where he was having a conversation with someone about the vote.
And this vote was like months ago, the vote for
the leadership position, and even Todd Rutherford was surprised that
he survived that vote is like nineteen thirteen or.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Something like that. Well that was I like that. Challenges
to Rutherford or not new And in twenty twenty two,
he faced a challenge from former Columbia Area Rep. Wendy Brawley,
shortly before she was drawn out of her own district
and the latest redistricting cycle. Do you think Todd Rutherford
had anything to do with that redistrict thing? Wow?

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Do you think so?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
You came for Look, if you come for the King,
you better not miss You better not