August 20, 2024 • 29 mins
Sexual pleasure and intimacy shouldn't be taboo. Imagine having an open, laughter-filled conversation about orgasms, penises, and the quirks of our bodies without blushing or feeling awkward. That's exactly what we offer in this episode. Keri Lynn and Jamy Miranda break down societal walls and emphasize the necessity of understanding our bodies. We explore G-spot, clitoral, and cervical orgasms with the same candor you might reserve for a chat over coffee, aiming to normalize these often hushed topics and advocate for a more informed approach to sexual wellness.
Is the discomfort around oral sex something you've wrestled with? You're not alone. We dive into the emotional and psychological layers that shape our comfort with giving and receiving oral pleasure. Through self-reflection and open communication, we uncover how past experiences and societal narratives can influence our intimate lives. By addressing these hidden facets, we can foster mutual pleasure and transform our relationships, moving towards a pleasure-led life that enriches our overall well-being.
What happens when you start your day with a morning routine involving oral sex? We discuss the nuances of sexual preferences and the importance of open dialogue between partners. From understanding ejaculation and semen retention to breaking out of our comfort zones and sharing erotic content, we share our personal journeys and invite you to connect with us. We also touch on how photography can be a powerful tool for body positivity, as our guest recounts her transformation from feeling embarrassed to embracing her body wholeheartedly. Join us and let's celebrate the fullness of life together, one open conversation at a time.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Redefining Normal.
Join us as we questionconventional thinking and talk
about the courage it takes tocreate and live a deliciously
vibrant life.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
This podcast is for people who know there's a better
way to do life and love how weshow up in connection to others
our kids, our partners, ourbusiness and, beyond that, our
relationship with money,vitality and, more than anything
, ourselves.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
We're two shamelessly unapologetic moms choosing to
experience the fullness of life.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
And we're collapsing the conditioning that says you
can't live a life of pleasure,peace and abundance in the midst
of the mundane of life,responsibilities, work and kids.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Thank you for listening in.
Let's do this.
Hello and welcome to this week.
It's Keri Lynn and JamieMiranda coming at you and we
were just hysterically laughingtalking about penises,
ejaculation, and Jamie is aboutto talk about blowjobs, and so
we just do a record.
So we're not really sure what'sgoing to come out of this
(01:05):
conversation, but we know thatit's a really important
conversation to have with youguys as we sit here giggling
about how much we love penises.
I love a good penis, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So this conversation started because we were talking
about pleasure and orgasms andsex recently and I asked I asked
for a picture of said penisthat is involved in orgasms that
we were discussing and we'rejust laughing about how normal
(01:40):
that is for us.
Right, like it's.
Actually.
I didn't feel any hesitation tosay can I see what it looks
like?
Because, like, positions andthings like this matter.
Right, like this is afunctional thing, right?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So before you say that, like, why she asked for a
picture of my partner's penis,is because we were talking about
for me, I've been on a journeyaround my own orgasms and Jamie,
and Jamie has some experiencein orgasms that I don't, and so
I was really wanting to learnmore about G-spot orgasms, and I
(02:17):
haven't had regular G-spotorgasms, and so we were talking
about how the literalfunctionality of this and I
think this is really importantto talk about to start with this
, because a lot of women and Iand like this is why we're
having this conversation a lotof women out there don't realize
that there's multiple ways tohave orgasms, that there's
actually physical things that wecan do to enhance or be able to
(02:39):
bring into and to look at ourbody spaces and to see how a
penis meets into the vagina allthese different things that can
actually allow us to receive andexperience more pleasure.
And so, as I have beenexperiencing sex and different
things with this beautiful manin my life, I was like, wow,
this, this hits in a differentway.
I don't really know, like I'venever had this experience before
(03:01):
and this is something I don'tknow what to do with this.
And as, as I've beenexperiencing this, like my
sensitivity has been opening upand we've been having this
conversation to really teach mehow to have this kind of an
orgasm, so this was literally avery practical, very practical
thing of like I want to knowwhat this is doing, because, on
(03:22):
a physical level, where is thisgoing to and how is this going
to affect you with inside of you?
So I think that's reallyimportant to talk about because,
for women, if you don't knowthat, there are I don't know, is
there like nine ways?
Maybe there's more.
Jamie, you might know theanswer to this.
I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, I mean like I didn't even know there was nine
actually.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Someone told me that at some point in time, so I
don't know I could be makingthat up.
There's G spot Clitoral,there's cervical.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
There's energetic.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
There's actually an, a spot on the bottom side of
your vagina too.
Yeah, if you hook backwards,yeah, towards your.
By the way, if you hookbackwards I say this I'm like
you guys can't see me on video,but it's like if you would go in
your inside and you hookbackwards towards your bottom,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I mean like I don't, we should look this up.
We will look it up.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
We'll look this up and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
All of the different kinds of orgasms, because
today's more about penisesactually Now.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So now that you understand the background of
what we were talking about, whatwe put our lives, let me just
talk about orgasms online fory'all and, of course, carrie did
ask for you know consent.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
May I share a picture of your penis and Carrie has
seen Kyle's penis, because I wasjust so proud of how beautiful
he's.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
A beautiful car this is what we were literally
talking about before and we weresaying how, um, we find it
really sad that for so manywomen it's like we protect or we
have some, some.
I don't even know possession oryeah, and some discomfort, and
(05:09):
like no one should see this, orlike I, I don't know, I don't
even know what it is like itfeels like like it's mine.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
There's some insecurity and I don't.
I mean, I don't know what thestory is like if somebody else
sees it.
Is it diminished, is itvulnerable?
Is it?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
like these private parts.
I mean, this is just naked,nakedness in general right so if
we even go to nakedness ingeneral, then it's like women,
both sides, like we're.
You know, so many people areshamed of being naked in front
of anybody either way, right.
And so even if you're with agirlfriend, they might not even
want to see you naked.
Yeah Right, that's likeshameful.
Nevermind that Jamie would comeup to me and say oh my God,
(05:51):
carrie, I have to show you thepicture of Kyle, because his
cock looks so fucking good inthis picture.
And, by the way again, kylealso knew yes, so I did ask him.
May.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I show Carrie this picture of you, it's like, yeah,
whatever, but we are a nakedfamily too, you know, like
nakedness is not a thing in ourfamily.
So, yeah, I think I mean likebeing.
I think that it's actuallyreally important, because when
we hide our naked bodies, that'sthat's like the prime place for
(06:22):
shame to exist, right Like whenwe don't see normal naked
bodies on a regular basis andall we're seeing is perfect
Instagram, airbrushed,photoshopped naked bodies or
pornographic bodies.
It's a dissociation, like it'sthis belief that, like that's
(06:42):
what all naked bodies look likeand mine doesn't look like that,
so there must be somethingwrong with my body versus when
we see normal naked bodies withthe bumps and the cellulite and
the scars and the whatever it'slike, we really start to
normalize and feel more comfortwith our own.
So I mean like that's a wholeconversation as well, yeah, but
(07:07):
yeah, so it's normal in ourworld.
I think in a lot, I mean likein our bubble.
I can think of most of myfriends.
I would probably feelcomfortable Like if we were
talking about orgasms,functionally saying so, what
does his penis look like?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So like to really be able to offer some specific
feedback on positions or right,you know like different
techniques, so yeah, and I thinkit's interesting because I
think it's something we actuallytalk about as women is like,
when we start to actually talkabout what men's penises look
like I mean seriously, they alllook so different.
I did not like I mean, likebefore coming out of my marriage
(07:46):
or being I'm going to say beingmore open in naked spaces as
well, I did not actually havethe realization, because I'd had
one penis for so many years,I'd almost forgotten how
different they all look.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And how that makes a difference.
It does.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The way they're shaped, the way they yeah, like
it all does.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Like I like all penises.
There's not really a penis I'vefound that I don't like.
Right yeah, and they all fit indifferently and they all have
different functionalities withinside of you if you're having
sex with said penis.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yes, yes, I agree, and I think that normally, at
least in like general kind ofeveryday spaces, I feel that
there is like an aversion topenises.
A lot of women are like ewpenises, oh yeah, and maybe that
comes from not having exposure,healthy exposure and
(08:43):
discussions and understandingaround that and it's associated
with, you know, like disgust oricky experiences and
conversations in their mind.
Yeah, I appreciate penises.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, so actually on that you were wanting to talk
about, we haven't gotten to thispoint in the conversation.
Before I said hate record.
Speaking of penises, like oneof the things again I think a
lot of women have a lot ofresistance to is blow jobs.
Yes, and I think of it.
It's like you know, you and Iwould talk about cockwork, cock
worship, yeah, so I'm curious tohear where you're gonna go with
(09:19):
blow jobs.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, kyle and I were having this conversation and
it's kind of this like you know,double standard thing that we
were talking about.
So I've been giving Kyle ablowjob every morning before he
goes to work, like it's like agood morning kiss or a goodbye
kiss or whatever Right, andrecognizing all like how loaded
(09:42):
that particular act is.
Like how loaded that particularact is.
Kai was like I wonder, if youtalked about that, if people
would think that it's myexpectation or my demand that's
creating that.
And I'm like, yeah, possiblyLike I think it's hard for some
people to fathom that a womanactually like really enjoys that
.
(10:03):
I get super turned on by givinghim a blow job like best
foreplay ever and actually evenorgasmic, like I can orgasm from
oral sex with him and I I loveit, I love starting my day like
it's a fun little like erosinjection for the day and he
(10:23):
goes off to work Um, he does notcome by the way.
That's another part of thisdiscussion.
So it is the buildup, theenergy, the, the play and the
pleasure of it.
Um, but I was thinking aboutcause.
I was wanting to like sharethat somewhere and talk about
that.
I was like, oh, so women willperceive that it's for him and
(10:45):
not for me, or by his demand andnot by my, my like.
Can you please?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
can we please do this yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
um, but also this dual standard of um, mocking
women for not liking it, orcalling out women for not liking
it, or even stating that womendon't like it.
We're on the flip side.
I see a lot of or even statingthat women don't like it.
We're on the flip side.
I see a lot of people like if aman doesn't like to eat pussy,
then he's not a real man, andlike all of this kind of digs at
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men if they don't enjoy doingit on that side.
But it's a like, a unheard ofor absurd or highly offensive to
ever imply that about a womanthat if she doesn't like to give
oral sex, if she doesn't likeblowjobs, um, that's her
prerogative and that's right.
Like.
There's just such a dualstandard in the way we talk
about men who don't like to dothat versus women who don't like
(11:37):
to do it yeah, and what'shappening in the conversation
and the field and the.
You know the space between that.
That's the case and I'll justbe clear.
The space between that, that'sthe case and I'll just be clear.
I don't think that it's greatto like, judge and mock anybody
for their preferences.
Like I think it's shit that wesay a man's not a real man if he
doesn't like doing that, andnot the opposite, that we should
(12:00):
be calling out women for notliking it.
But more sincere question aboutwhat experiences and stories
and anchors exist in your bodythat this is not something you
enjoy and doesn't feel safe andpleasurable for you, because
it's a beautiful connection,it's a beautiful act, it's very
pleasurable on both sides.
Um, and so I would venture toguess that there's probably some
(12:23):
, you know, toxic experiences orstories that create the
aversion.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, I'm like I'm just letting that land in my
body.
It's funny because I've beendoing the same with my partner
around bullet jobs and I lovelike we don't live together so
it can't be done every day, butI love when he's around, that.
I'm like if he in at the end ofthe day, I'm like, oh yeah, I
totally will.
Or if he comes in, like in themorning when we wake up, I'm
like, ah, and it's reallyinteresting because I think here
(12:53):
I want to say this like youtalked about ejaculation and I
want to, and I want to bringthis in here because like, well,
and we even had thisconversation because it was like
if you do that, a lot of menthink, or a lot of women think,
that then they have to take themto a certain point, or it has
to be experience, and I'm likesometimes it is like literally
like kissing, it's like there'sa few minutes that I'm like I
just want to do this because itfeels really good and you're
(13:14):
going to like it and I'm goingto like it, and it's a nice
moment of connection, and thenwe're going to move on with our
day.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Right, and it doesn't have to be more than that,
right, yeah, and we don't haveto take it to the point of um,
ejaculation, yeah, and I think Iwant to talk about that here
too.
Um, and I and I do wonder, like, is there, I guess, the
question being like, is theresome something we could share
(13:43):
here around if you don't like itcause you asked the question,
but like, if you don't like itbecause you asked the question,
but like, if you don't like it,is there an exploration that we
could bring people into hereabout why they don't?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I mean it's the same as we do, right, it's like sit
with, like, when you think abouta blow job, what, what does it
bring up?
Where do you feel it?
I mean, there's so manydifferent ways to you know, like
self-explore and self-reflectin this, but, um, oftentimes
there there's like a specificstory or idea, and it may not
even be a personal experience.
(14:15):
It may actually be likescrolling instagram and seeing
women talk about how horriblemen are, how gross penises are,
whatever, right, like there's a,there's a perception that
exists internally, that'screating this picture or this
perception of what blowjobs are.
Um, and it's yeah, like, if you, if it's something that you
(14:40):
want to explore, then goinginternal and even just getting
curious about like what is, whatis my story?
What sensation comes up, whatemotion, what projection, and
it'll often lead you somewhere,whether it's like a feeling and
a sensation in your body or aspecific story or a specific
experience or whatever.
And then you know, I mean youjust continue to kind of follow
(15:02):
that rabbit hole, to bringing itback to what is the truth and
integrity when you take yourstory and your you know kind of
projections around it out.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And actually even before that I would say is like
do you want to?
Do you want to Do you want to?
Does it matter to you?
Do you want to find ways tohave pleasure?
Like for me, part of it is likeI know I can have throat
orgasms, so I'm like I want tofind ways to have pleasure.
Like for me, part of it is likeI know I can have throat
orgasms, so I'm like I want tofind ways to bring myself to
that pleasure.
And ultimately, when we startto do that, like Jamie said,
like it brings her immenseamounts of pleasure and so we
(15:37):
can actually allow ourselves togo those places.
But we have to choose it first.
Yeah, you have to want it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I mean, like this isn't like a go figure out how
to get over your aversion toblow jobs if you have no
interest in exploring thatavenue and there's no judgment
or expectation of that, likeit's not, like oh you're bad,
whatever.
That's not what you want to do.
We, you know, like create morespaces for Eros and intimacy and
(16:11):
sexual connection and pleasureand optimizing that on our lives
.
I mean, like I'm assuming youdo too, but I find that when I'm
in that energy and I haveaccess to that and I clear any
blocks to that, that blows intoevery aspect of my life.
That flows into business, thatflows into parenting, that flows
into money, that flows into allof it.
You know so.
And not to mention, therelationship is juicier and more
(16:33):
alive and more connected whenthat energy is flowing you're
doing this for your partner andyou feel resentful about it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
a lot of times what happens?
I?
I know like I've heard manystories of people who are doing
this for their partner bothsides of it, by the way, whether
whichever side you're on man orwoman, yeah, whatever body
you're in um that if you'reresentful for for giving to your
partner, then that doesn't turnyou on and it actually will go
the opposite way of what we'retalking about here with Eros
(17:09):
right.
And when you're in this space ofchoosing into it because it
does bring both of you pleasure,like honest to goodness, like
why would you not start your daythat way?
And then your magnetism isfricking, turned on and like one
of the things Jamie and I talka lot about here is, and in life
is to live a life led bypleasure or be turned on in your
life.
And when we say this, likepeople look at me.
(17:31):
I'm, like I literally like I'mactually in the middle of
writing, of coaching bookwriting week, so I help write.
This week we have 28 authorscoming through writing a book in
a week and what I often say inbook writing week to me it is
one of the most turned onexperiences of my life.
Like it is such a creative flowand I write books and I move
even in the most mucky, hardplaces.
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I will move from one orgasm tothe next and people are like
what I'm like quite, quiteliterally, Like I am so turned
on in my joy of getting to dowhat I love doing in my life
that I want to have orgasms.
Yeah, and this is how thishappens is like do the things
that turn you on?
And if it's not turning, youwant to do it, yeah Right, first
(18:12):
of all, just ask the question,like anywhere in your life,
anywhere in your life this isn'teven just about oral sex, right
, like?
If anything in your life isn'tturning you on, why not?
Are you doing it out of like,because you're obligated to do
something?
If you are checking withyourself, then why are you doing
it?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, and this is literally the creation of your
own reality.
I mean, like this is it?
The thing is happening, likeyou know, like you're doing
whatever it is you're choosingto do, but you get to frame it
in a way that serves you Right.
You can frame it as anobligation and a pain in the ass
.
You can serves you right.
You can frame it as anobligation and a pain in the ass
(18:49):
.
You can frame it as a beautifulopportunity and a turn on.
And and here's the other thing Ijust want to point out like
eros and pleasure and this, likethis turn on we're talking
about, is not necessarily sexual.
It does not have to funnel intointercourse.
It is life force, it isess, itis our connection to, like
creation, energy, and oftentimesit does end up sexual because
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that energy is flowing and itopens you and it, you know it,
it facilitates that, but it'sit's also I mean, I know I've
been in super turned on eroticspaces that aren't, that aren't
sexual at all.
You know, with celibate peoplelike this, idea of being well
fucked has nothing to do.
You do not need to be partneredto be well fucked.
It is an internal energy thatyou harness and occupy and
(19:35):
utilize in life.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, I'll actually speak to that in the fact that I
was married for years, notsexual, and I mean we were
married for years.
The last few years we were notsexually active with each other
and in those years are the timesthat I spent so much time
cultivating my own sexuality andmy own sensuality and I'd have
people come to me all over theplace, jamie, and I would laugh.
I'd talk to her about this, Iwould have clients come to me,
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friends come to me.
All these different people andyou probably, listening to this,
have actually said this to meCarrie you are one of the most
sensual sexual beings I've evermet.
I've heard it so many times inthe last few years and I just
laugh because I'm like you guysrealize I wasn't having sex
right, and I say this becauseit's so freaking important to
understand that it has nothingto do with another person.
(20:48):
No-transcript, but maybe quoteunquote should be.
Yeah, and I'm going to say itis.
It should be right, becauseorgasms should be, sex should be
, and I'm like'm like I'm usingthe quotes right, and if it's
not like, why not?
Do you want it to?
And what are you willing to doto look within yourself?
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Because it is a personaljourney.
This has nothing to do withyour partner, by the way.
And, yes, it might havesomething to do with your
partner.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well, and ultimately, oftentimes that is where it
goes If you have a partner,because I think that as human
beings we do, we enjoy pleasure,like and, but it's not, it's
not required.
And I think this is exactlywhere we want to break this idea
of normal, because normalreally is a disconnect from this
life force, energy.
It is very much beencompartmentalized to this
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private, one monogamous partnerand that's the only place that
it's acceptable.
Very religious conditioning inthis, like sex, is for
procreation and for connectionwith a single monogamous partner
, and that's it.
And I can see the controlpattern that exists in that when
you disconnect humans from ourcreation, life force, energy,
(21:57):
that is the erotic, likeecstatic current, we're
disconnected from ourselves inmassive ways.
You know, so I understand thatcontainment, um in, in creating.
You know systems of control andum, manageability and whatever,
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whatever you know, whatever thereason may have been, whatever,
whatever you know, whatever thereason may have been.
And it's really hard to breakthat conditioning and really
lean into the layers of shameand ideas around what's
appropriate and acceptable.
And this doesn't mean free forall, fuck everybody.
There's still discernment,there is still cultivation,
(22:38):
there's still trust and intimacy, um around that.
I'm still very, very particularabout who I would engage in, and
I mean, in fact, I've only hadintercourse with Kyle for the
last 21 years, although I've,you know, been in a lot of
spaces and I've I've exploredemotional intimacy and flirting
(22:59):
and shared pictures and all ofthat sort of stuff.
But I am, I am very picky aboutwho I, you know, share intimacy
, physical intimacy with, and Ithink that, yeah, untangling the
idea of what sexuality orerotic or ecstatic energy is
(23:22):
from this idea of sex andmonogamy and intercourse is
powerful.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, and I think the other thing I want to add in
here too, on top of everyamazing thing you've already
said, is like one of the thingsthat I started to really feel my
heart felt really sad about asI've talked to more and more
women around intimacy with theirpartners over the last few
years, has been how many womenoutsource their turn on to their
man right, only if he turns meon.
(23:50):
I'm like sweetheart.
Yeah, that's love like in yourhands, yeah right, you know, and
it's like my partner's likehere you're always turned on.
I'm like, well, yeah, but Idon't need you to turn me on.
Like you do turn me on and likeyou come in the part.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I'm like, I want I am in charge of my turn off right.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, because I am already turned on in myself.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, and we do.
We spend a lot of timecultivating that and
prioritizing that and protectingthat.
Really, you know and I thinkmen have a lot to learn too you
know, like I don't have a lot ofconversations because I will
share when things come up, oryou know old stories or whatever
, and I was like, wow, I neverknew that.
So there is some responsibilityon our part to also be
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communicating with our partnersand inviting them into meeting
our needs in that way.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And like there's so many layers to this, I think
that there are lots of episodes,yeah, yeah, because it is like
the conversation between,because every and it is, you
know what everybody's different,every man is different,
everyone is different and whatturns them off doesn't like we
could do things that we thinkintentionally.
We're like, oh my God, that'stotally a turn on for you and
it's like actually that turns metotally off.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, and so there is conversations around that
episode on it, yep, and I willsay to our morning blow drops.
I don't even get in bed, likeI'm still laying in bed, and he
just walks over the edge of thebed.
It's, it's perfect, you know.
Perfect arrangement, perfectlevels.
You know, I can just stayrelaxed and usually, like, roll
(25:21):
back over and go back to sleepor whatever.
Um, he goes off to work.
You know, it's like it's.
I think it's beautiful, I loveit, I think it's a great way to
start the day.
Um, I do think that we shoulddiscuss so we've discussed, like
, sharing this protection of,but so I think we should do a
separate episode on that,because that's a whole different
(25:43):
like where we are on time.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, we probably.
True, that's true, let's dosome shorter episodes.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So next time, actually, we'll stop this right
now.
We'll do the next episode.
So tune in for the next one,because we're going to talk
about ejaculation and semenretention and our personal
journeys with it.
Ok, so, sorry.
Anything else you want to sayabout?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
penises and I was like, sorry the teeth of
thinking we're going to get thisin this conversation.
You have to wait till the nextone.
I will say we said a lot today,like and I know like oftentimes
we try and give some tips andtricks and different things I
don't actually know Like, todaywas very like, oh my God, we
just have to talk about this,yeah, so if you do have
(26:26):
questions, if you're like, oh myGod, you triggered the fuck out
of me.
Like I can't even believeyou're talking about this, I'm
pissed off at you.
Whatever the thing is, yeah, oroh my God, oh my God, this is so
amazing, I want some that.
And we didn't get far enoughinto it.
And you're like I don'tunderstand what you're talking
about.
Please do reach out to us likethis is a huge love of ours to
(26:46):
talk about and support people in.
Yeah, so, um, yeah, that's whatI want to finish saying like I
know that we've really just hada really deeply, quite intense
conversation that could triggerthe fuck out of a lot of you, um
, and we're here for it and welove you, yeah, yeah it's
welcome because we were theretoo.
Yeah right, we were both theretoo.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
So yeah, I mean like how many you know?
However, many years ago, I wasdefinitely the one that was like
, oh my god, I would never ask,look or want to show pictures.
What now?
I'm like how do we start achannel where we can share all
the erotic pictures, all of thesexy stories, like?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I want to make, by the way, by the way, she did do
that we do have a sexy selfiesgroup where that's like started
a whole thing and she actuallydoes teach sexy selfies.
So, by the way, that doesn't,and I want to, I want to expand
it, I want to make it co-ed, Iwant to create space because I
think, and she, actually doesteach sexy selfies.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
So, by the way, that doesn't.
And I want to, I want to expandit, I want to make it co-ed, I
want to create space, because Ithink that all of us have a
desire to be seen and witnessedin our fullness and in our eros,
and there's something soliberating and so expansive in
that, like it's healing on a lotof levels and it does bring up
a lot of shit.
So you know, like there'sthere's work and pleasure in
(28:04):
that.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
So yeah, that's actually.
We'll add to that and just sayif you are actually wanting to
do sexy self things with Jamie,do reach out to her, because it
truly has been part of probablyone of the most healing parts of
my journey and I was triggeredas hell to start this journey.
I did not like my body when shefirst started teaching me how
(28:26):
to take the pictures.
I was so like I don't want tosay I want to say there's a
little embarrassed.
There was a lot of shame in theroles, the different things,
and now, the more that I do it,I'm like, oh my God, I feel so
freaking, sexy and gorgeous andit's totally changed my life.
And it doesn't matter what sizeyou are, what shape you are
Like.
There is a way you are, yeah,there is a way for you to feel
(28:46):
and look absolutely fricking,sexy and gorgeous in pictures,
naked clothes.
However, you want to do it.
Jamie is so amazing at this, soplease do reach out to her and
join whenever she decides to doher next group.
Maybe this will entice her to doyeah, maybe it will A generator
responders like, okay, let's dothis, All right, let's close it
(29:07):
and then, and then we'll hitrecord again so you guys can
have the next week We'll be onuh, ejaculation semen retention.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
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Let's do this.
Hello and welcome to this week.
It's Keri Lynn and JamieMiranda coming at you and we
were just hysterically laughingtalking about penises,
ejaculation, and Jamie is aboutto talk about blowjobs, and so
we just do a record.
So we're not really sure what'sgoing to come out of this
(01:05):
conversation, but we know thatit's a really important
conversation to have with youguys as we sit here giggling
about how much we love penises.
I love a good penis, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So this conversation started because we were talking
about pleasure and orgasms andsex recently and I asked I asked
for a picture of said penisthat is involved in orgasms that
we were discussing and we'rejust laughing about how normal
(01:40):
that is for us.
Right, like it's.
Actually.
I didn't feel any hesitation tosay can I see what it looks
like?
Because, like, positions andthings like this matter.
Right, like this is afunctional thing, right?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So before you say that, like, why she asked for a
picture of my partner's penis,is because we were talking about
for me, I've been on a journeyaround my own orgasms and Jamie,
and Jamie has some experiencein orgasms that I don't, and so
I was really wanting to learnmore about G-spot orgasms, and I
(02:17):
haven't had regular G-spotorgasms, and so we were talking
about how the literalfunctionality of this and I
think this is really importantto talk about to start with this
, because a lot of women and Iand like this is why we're
having this conversation a lotof women out there don't realize
that there's multiple ways tohave orgasms, that there's
actually physical things that wecan do to enhance or be able to
(02:39):
bring into and to look at ourbody spaces and to see how a
penis meets into the vagina allthese different things that can
actually allow us to receive andexperience more pleasure.
And so, as I have beenexperiencing sex and different
things with this beautiful manin my life, I was like, wow,
this, this hits in a differentway.
I don't really know, like I'venever had this experience before
(03:01):
and this is something I don'tknow what to do with this.
And as, as I've beenexperiencing this, like my
sensitivity has been opening upand we've been having this
conversation to really teach mehow to have this kind of an
orgasm, so this was literally avery practical, very practical
thing of like I want to knowwhat this is doing, because, on
(03:22):
a physical level, where is thisgoing to and how is this going
to affect you with inside of you?
So I think that's reallyimportant to talk about because,
for women, if you don't knowthat, there are I don't know, is
there like nine ways?
Maybe there's more.
Jamie, you might know theanswer to this.
I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, I mean like I didn't even know there was nine
actually.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Someone told me that at some point in time, so I
don't know I could be makingthat up.
There's G spot Clitoral,there's cervical.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
There's energetic.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
There's actually an, a spot on the bottom side of
your vagina too.
Yeah, if you hook backwards,yeah, towards your.
By the way, if you hookbackwards I say this I'm like
you guys can't see me on video,but it's like if you would go in
your inside and you hookbackwards towards your bottom,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I mean like I don't, we should look this up.
We will look it up.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
We'll look this up and we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
All of the different kinds of orgasms, because
today's more about penisesactually Now.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So now that you understand the background of
what we were talking about, whatwe put our lives, let me just
talk about orgasms online fory'all and, of course, carrie did
ask for you know consent.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
May I share a picture of your penis and Carrie has
seen Kyle's penis, because I wasjust so proud of how beautiful
he's.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
A beautiful car this is what we were literally
talking about before and we weresaying how, um, we find it
really sad that for so manywomen it's like we protect or we
have some, some.
I don't even know possession oryeah, and some discomfort, and
(05:09):
like no one should see this, orlike I, I don't know, I don't
even know what it is like itfeels like like it's mine.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
There's some insecurity and I don't.
I mean, I don't know what thestory is like if somebody else
sees it.
Is it diminished, is itvulnerable?
Is it?
Speaker 1 (05:28):
like these private parts.
I mean, this is just naked,nakedness in general right so if
we even go to nakedness ingeneral, then it's like women,
both sides, like we're.
You know, so many people areshamed of being naked in front
of anybody either way, right.
And so even if you're with agirlfriend, they might not even
want to see you naked.
Yeah Right, that's likeshameful.
Nevermind that Jamie would comeup to me and say oh my God,
(05:51):
carrie, I have to show you thepicture of Kyle, because his
cock looks so fucking good inthis picture.
And, by the way again, kylealso knew yes, so I did ask him.
May.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I show Carrie this picture of you, it's like, yeah,
whatever, but we are a nakedfamily too, you know, like
nakedness is not a thing in ourfamily.
So, yeah, I think I mean likebeing.
I think that it's actuallyreally important, because when
we hide our naked bodies, that'sthat's like the prime place for
(06:22):
shame to exist, right Like whenwe don't see normal naked
bodies on a regular basis andall we're seeing is perfect
Instagram, airbrushed,photoshopped naked bodies or
pornographic bodies.
It's a dissociation, like it'sthis belief that, like that's
(06:42):
what all naked bodies look likeand mine doesn't look like that,
so there must be somethingwrong with my body versus when
we see normal naked bodies withthe bumps and the cellulite and
the scars and the whatever it'slike, we really start to
normalize and feel more comfortwith our own.
So I mean like that's a wholeconversation as well, yeah, but
(07:07):
yeah, so it's normal in ourworld.
I think in a lot, I mean likein our bubble.
I can think of most of myfriends.
I would probably feelcomfortable Like if we were
talking about orgasms,functionally saying so, what
does his penis look like?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
So like to really be able to offer some specific
feedback on positions or right,you know like different
techniques, so yeah, and I thinkit's interesting because I
think it's something we actuallytalk about as women is like,
when we start to actually talkabout what men's penises look
like I mean seriously, they alllook so different.
I did not like I mean, likebefore coming out of my marriage
(07:46):
or being I'm going to say beingmore open in naked spaces as
well, I did not actually havethe realization, because I'd had
one penis for so many years,I'd almost forgotten how
different they all look.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And how that makes a difference.
It does.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
The way they're shaped, the way they yeah, like
it all does.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Like I like all penises.
There's not really a penis I'vefound that I don't like.
Right yeah, and they all fit indifferently and they all have
different functionalities withinside of you if you're having
sex with said penis.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yes, yes, I agree, and I think that normally, at
least in like general kind ofeveryday spaces, I feel that
there is like an aversion topenises.
A lot of women are like ewpenises, oh yeah, and maybe that
comes from not having exposure,healthy exposure and
(08:43):
discussions and understandingaround that and it's associated
with, you know, like disgust oricky experiences and
conversations in their mind.
Yeah, I appreciate penises.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, so actually on that you were wanting to talk
about, we haven't gotten to thispoint in the conversation.
Before I said hate record.
Speaking of penises, like oneof the things again I think a
lot of women have a lot ofresistance to is blow jobs.
Yes, and I think of it.
It's like you know, you and Iwould talk about cockwork, cock
worship, yeah, so I'm curious tohear where you're gonna go with
(09:19):
blow jobs.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Well, kyle and I were having this conversation and
it's kind of this like you know,double standard thing that we
were talking about.
So I've been giving Kyle ablowjob every morning before he
goes to work, like it's like agood morning kiss or a goodbye
kiss or whatever Right, andrecognizing all like how loaded
(09:42):
that particular act is.
Like how loaded that particularact is.
Kai was like I wonder, if youtalked about that, if people
would think that it's myexpectation or my demand that's
creating that.
And I'm like, yeah, possiblyLike I think it's hard for some
people to fathom that a womanactually like really enjoys that
.
(10:03):
I get super turned on by givinghim a blow job like best
foreplay ever and actually evenorgasmic, like I can orgasm from
oral sex with him and I I loveit, I love starting my day like
it's a fun little like erosinjection for the day and he
(10:23):
goes off to work Um, he does notcome by the way.
That's another part of thisdiscussion.
So it is the buildup, theenergy, the, the play and the
pleasure of it.
Um, but I was thinking aboutcause.
I was wanting to like sharethat somewhere and talk about
that.
I was like, oh, so women willperceive that it's for him and
(10:45):
not for me, or by his demand andnot by my, my like.
Can you please?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
can we please do this yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
um, but also this dual standard of um, mocking
women for not liking it, orcalling out women for not liking
it, or even stating that womendon't like it.
We're on the flip side.
I see a lot of or even statingthat women don't like it.
We're on the flip side.
I see a lot of people like if aman doesn't like to eat pussy,
then he's not a real man, andlike all of this kind of digs at
(11:15):
men if they don't enjoy doingit on that side.
But it's a like, a unheard ofor absurd or highly offensive to
ever imply that about a womanthat if she doesn't like to give
oral sex, if she doesn't likeblowjobs, um, that's her
prerogative and that's right.
Like.
There's just such a dualstandard in the way we talk
about men who don't like to dothat versus women who don't like
(11:37):
to do it yeah, and what'shappening in the conversation
and the field and the.
You know the space between that.
That's the case and I'll justbe clear.
The space between that, that'sthe case and I'll just be clear.
I don't think that it's greatto like, judge and mock anybody
for their preferences.
Like I think it's shit that wesay a man's not a real man if he
doesn't like doing that, andnot the opposite, that we should
(12:00):
be calling out women for notliking it.
But more sincere question aboutwhat experiences and stories
and anchors exist in your bodythat this is not something you
enjoy and doesn't feel safe andpleasurable for you, because
it's a beautiful connection,it's a beautiful act, it's very
pleasurable on both sides.
Um, and so I would venture toguess that there's probably some
(12:23):
, you know, toxic experiences orstories that create the
aversion.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, I'm like I'm just letting that land in my
body.
It's funny because I've beendoing the same with my partner
around bullet jobs and I lovelike we don't live together so
it can't be done every day, butI love when he's around, that.
I'm like if he in at the end ofthe day, I'm like, oh yeah, I
totally will.
Or if he comes in, like in themorning when we wake up, I'm
like, ah, and it's reallyinteresting because I think here
(12:53):
I want to say this like youtalked about ejaculation and I
want to, and I want to bringthis in here because like, well,
and we even had thisconversation because it was like
if you do that, a lot of menthink, or a lot of women think,
that then they have to take themto a certain point, or it has
to be experience, and I'm likesometimes it is like literally
like kissing, it's like there'sa few minutes that I'm like I
just want to do this because itfeels really good and you're
(13:14):
going to like it and I'm goingto like it, and it's a nice
moment of connection, and thenwe're going to move on with our
day.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Right, and it doesn't have to be more than that,
right, yeah, and we don't haveto take it to the point of um,
ejaculation, yeah, and I think Iwant to talk about that here
too.
Um, and I and I do wonder, like, is there, I guess, the
question being like, is theresome something we could share
(13:43):
here around if you don't like itcause you asked the question,
but like, if you don't like itbecause you asked the question,
but like, if you don't like it,is there an exploration that we
could bring people into hereabout why they don't?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I mean it's the same as we do, right, it's like sit
with, like, when you think abouta blow job, what, what does it
bring up?
Where do you feel it?
I mean, there's so manydifferent ways to you know, like
self-explore and self-reflectin this, but, um, oftentimes
there there's like a specificstory or idea, and it may not
even be a personal experience.
(14:15):
It may actually be likescrolling instagram and seeing
women talk about how horriblemen are, how gross penises are,
whatever, right, like there's a,there's a perception that
exists internally, that'screating this picture or this
perception of what blowjobs are.
Um, and it's yeah, like, if you, if it's something that you
(14:40):
want to explore, then goinginternal and even just getting
curious about like what is, whatis my story?
What sensation comes up, whatemotion, what projection, and
it'll often lead you somewhere,whether it's like a feeling and
a sensation in your body or aspecific story or a specific
experience or whatever.
And then you know, I mean youjust continue to kind of follow
(15:02):
that rabbit hole, to bringing itback to what is the truth and
integrity when you take yourstory and your you know kind of
projections around it out.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And actually even before that I would say is like
do you want to?
Do you want to Do you want to?
Does it matter to you?
Do you want to find ways tohave pleasure?
Like for me, part of it is likeI know I can have throat
orgasms, so I'm like I want tofind ways to have pleasure.
Like for me, part of it is likeI know I can have throat
orgasms, so I'm like I want tofind ways to bring myself to
that pleasure.
And ultimately, when we startto do that, like Jamie said,
like it brings her immenseamounts of pleasure and so we
(15:37):
can actually allow ourselves togo those places.
But we have to choose it first.
Yeah, you have to want it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I mean, like this isn't like a go figure out how
to get over your aversion toblow jobs if you have no
interest in exploring thatavenue and there's no judgment
or expectation of that, likeit's not, like oh you're bad,
whatever.
That's not what you want to do.
We, you know, like create morespaces for Eros and intimacy and
(16:11):
sexual connection and pleasureand optimizing that on our lives
.
I mean, like I'm assuming youdo too, but I find that when I'm
in that energy and I haveaccess to that and I clear any
blocks to that, that blows intoevery aspect of my life.
That flows into business, thatflows into parenting, that flows
into money, that flows into allof it.
You know so.
And not to mention, therelationship is juicier and more
(16:33):
alive and more connected whenthat energy is flowing you're
doing this for your partner andyou feel resentful about it.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
a lot of times what happens?
I?
I know like I've heard manystories of people who are doing
this for their partner bothsides of it, by the way, whether
whichever side you're on man orwoman, yeah, whatever body
you're in um that if you'reresentful for for giving to your
partner, then that doesn't turnyou on and it actually will go
the opposite way of what we'retalking about here with Eros
(17:09):
right.
And when you're in this space ofchoosing into it because it
does bring both of you pleasure,like honest to goodness, like
why would you not start your daythat way?
And then your magnetism isfricking, turned on and like one
of the things Jamie and I talka lot about here is, and in life
is to live a life led bypleasure or be turned on in your
life.
And when we say this, likepeople look at me.
(17:31):
I'm, like I literally like I'mactually in the middle of
writing, of coaching bookwriting week, so I help write.
This week we have 28 authorscoming through writing a book in
a week and what I often say inbook writing week to me it is
one of the most turned onexperiences of my life.
Like it is such a creative flowand I write books and I move
even in the most mucky, hardplaces.
(17:52):
I will move from one orgasm tothe next and people are like
what I'm like quite, quiteliterally, Like I am so turned
on in my joy of getting to dowhat I love doing in my life
that I want to have orgasms.
Yeah, and this is how thishappens is like do the things
that turn you on?
And if it's not turning, youwant to do it, yeah Right, first
(18:12):
of all, just ask the question,like anywhere in your life,
anywhere in your life this isn'teven just about oral sex, right
, like?
If anything in your life isn'tturning you on, why not?
Are you doing it out of like,because you're obligated to do
something?
If you are checking withyourself, then why are you doing
it?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, and this is literally the creation of your
own reality.
I mean, like this is it?
The thing is happening, likeyou know, like you're doing
whatever it is you're choosingto do, but you get to frame it
in a way that serves you Right.
You can frame it as anobligation and a pain in the ass
.
You can serves you right.
You can frame it as anobligation and a pain in the ass
(18:49):
.
You can frame it as a beautifulopportunity and a turn on.
And and here's the other thing Ijust want to point out like
eros and pleasure and this, likethis turn on we're talking
about, is not necessarily sexual.
It does not have to funnel intointercourse.
It is life force, it isess, itis our connection to, like
creation, energy, and oftentimesit does end up sexual because
(19:10):
that energy is flowing and itopens you and it, you know it,
it facilitates that, but it'sit's also I mean, I know I've
been in super turned on eroticspaces that aren't, that aren't
sexual at all.
You know, with celibate peoplelike this, idea of being well
fucked has nothing to do.
You do not need to be partneredto be well fucked.
It is an internal energy thatyou harness and occupy and
(19:35):
utilize in life.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, I'll actually speak to that in the fact that I
was married for years, notsexual, and I mean we were
married for years.
The last few years we were notsexually active with each other
and in those years are the timesthat I spent so much time
cultivating my own sexuality andmy own sensuality and I'd have
people come to me all over theplace, jamie, and I would laugh.
I'd talk to her about this, Iwould have clients come to me,
(19:58):
friends come to me.
All these different people andyou probably, listening to this,
have actually said this to meCarrie you are one of the most
sensual sexual beings I've evermet.
I've heard it so many times inthe last few years and I just
laugh because I'm like you guysrealize I wasn't having sex
right, and I say this becauseit's so freaking important to
understand that it has nothingto do with another person.
(20:48):
No-transcript, but maybe quoteunquote should be.
Yeah, and I'm going to say itis.
It should be right, becauseorgasms should be, sex should be
, and I'm like'm like I'm usingthe quotes right, and if it's
not like, why not?
Do you want it to?
And what are you willing to doto look within yourself?
(21:08):
Because it is a personaljourney.
This has nothing to do withyour partner, by the way.
And, yes, it might havesomething to do with your
partner.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well, and ultimately, oftentimes that is where it
goes If you have a partner,because I think that as human
beings we do, we enjoy pleasure,like and, but it's not, it's
not required.
And I think this is exactlywhere we want to break this idea
of normal, because normalreally is a disconnect from this
life force, energy.
It is very much beencompartmentalized to this
(21:35):
private, one monogamous partnerand that's the only place that
it's acceptable.
Very religious conditioning inthis, like sex, is for
procreation and for connectionwith a single monogamous partner
, and that's it.
And I can see the controlpattern that exists in that when
you disconnect humans from ourcreation, life force, energy,
(21:57):
that is the erotic, likeecstatic current, we're
disconnected from ourselves inmassive ways.
You know, so I understand thatcontainment, um in, in creating.
You know systems of control andum, manageability and whatever,
(22:17):
whatever you know, whatever thereason may have been, whatever,
whatever you know, whatever thereason may have been.
And it's really hard to breakthat conditioning and really
lean into the layers of shameand ideas around what's
appropriate and acceptable.
And this doesn't mean free forall, fuck everybody.
There's still discernment,there is still cultivation,
(22:38):
there's still trust and intimacy, um around that.
I'm still very, very particularabout who I would engage in, and
I mean, in fact, I've only hadintercourse with Kyle for the
last 21 years, although I've,you know, been in a lot of
spaces and I've I've exploredemotional intimacy and flirting
(22:59):
and shared pictures and all ofthat sort of stuff.
But I am, I am very picky aboutwho I, you know, share intimacy
, physical intimacy with, and Ithink that, yeah, untangling the
idea of what sexuality orerotic or ecstatic energy is
(23:22):
from this idea of sex andmonogamy and intercourse is
powerful.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, and I think the other thing I want to add in
here too, on top of everyamazing thing you've already
said, is like one of the thingsthat I started to really feel my
heart felt really sad about asI've talked to more and more
women around intimacy with theirpartners over the last few
years, has been how many womenoutsource their turn on to their
man right, only if he turns meon.
(23:50):
I'm like sweetheart.
Yeah, that's love like in yourhands, yeah right, you know, and
it's like my partner's likehere you're always turned on.
I'm like, well, yeah, but Idon't need you to turn me on.
Like you do turn me on and likeyou come in the part.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I'm like, I want I am in charge of my turn off right.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, because I am already turned on in myself.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, and we do.
We spend a lot of timecultivating that and
prioritizing that and protectingthat.
Really, you know and I thinkmen have a lot to learn too you
know, like I don't have a lot ofconversations because I will
share when things come up, oryou know old stories or whatever
, and I was like, wow, I neverknew that.
So there is some responsibilityon our part to also be
(24:33):
communicating with our partnersand inviting them into meeting
our needs in that way.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
And like there's so many layers to this, I think
that there are lots of episodes,yeah, yeah, because it is like
the conversation between,because every and it is, you
know what everybody's different,every man is different,
everyone is different and whatturns them off doesn't like we
could do things that we thinkintentionally.
We're like, oh my God, that'stotally a turn on for you and
it's like actually that turns metotally off.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, and so there is conversations around that
episode on it, yep, and I willsay to our morning blow drops.
I don't even get in bed, likeI'm still laying in bed, and he
just walks over the edge of thebed.
It's, it's perfect, you know.
Perfect arrangement, perfectlevels.
You know, I can just stayrelaxed and usually, like, roll
(25:21):
back over and go back to sleepor whatever.
Um, he goes off to work.
You know, it's like it's.
I think it's beautiful, I loveit, I think it's a great way to
start the day.
Um, I do think that we shoulddiscuss so we've discussed, like
, sharing this protection of,but so I think we should do a
separate episode on that,because that's a whole different
(25:43):
like where we are on time.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, we probably.
True, that's true, let's dosome shorter episodes.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So next time, actually, we'll stop this right
now.
We'll do the next episode.
So tune in for the next one,because we're going to talk
about ejaculation and semenretention and our personal
journeys with it.
Ok, so, sorry.
Anything else you want to sayabout?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
penises and I was like, sorry the teeth of
thinking we're going to get thisin this conversation.
You have to wait till the nextone.
I will say we said a lot today,like and I know like oftentimes
we try and give some tips andtricks and different things I
don't actually know Like, todaywas very like, oh my God, we
just have to talk about this,yeah, so if you do have
(26:26):
questions, if you're like, oh myGod, you triggered the fuck out
of me.
Like I can't even believeyou're talking about this, I'm
pissed off at you.
Whatever the thing is, yeah, oroh my God, oh my God, this is so
amazing, I want some that.
And we didn't get far enoughinto it.
And you're like I don'tunderstand what you're talking
about.
Please do reach out to us likethis is a huge love of ours to
(26:46):
talk about and support people in.
Yeah, so, um, yeah, that's whatI want to finish saying like I
know that we've really just hada really deeply, quite intense
conversation that could triggerthe fuck out of a lot of you, um
, and we're here for it and welove you, yeah, yeah it's
welcome because we were theretoo.
Yeah right, we were both theretoo.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
So yeah, I mean like how many you know?
However, many years ago, I wasdefinitely the one that was like
, oh my god, I would never ask,look or want to show pictures.
What now?
I'm like how do we start achannel where we can share all
the erotic pictures, all of thesexy stories, like?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I want to make, by the way, by the way, she did do
that we do have a sexy selfiesgroup where that's like started
a whole thing and she actuallydoes teach sexy selfies.
So, by the way, that doesn't,and I want to, I want to expand
it, I want to make it co-ed, Iwant to create space because I
think, and she, actually doesteach sexy selfies.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
So, by the way, that doesn't.
And I want to, I want to expandit, I want to make it co-ed, I
want to create space, because Ithink that all of us have a
desire to be seen and witnessedin our fullness and in our eros,
and there's something soliberating and so expansive in
that, like it's healing on a lotof levels and it does bring up
a lot of shit.
So you know, like there'sthere's work and pleasure in
(28:04):
that.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
So yeah, that's actually.
We'll add to that and just sayif you are actually wanting to
do sexy self things with Jamie,do reach out to her, because it
truly has been part of probablyone of the most healing parts of
my journey and I was triggeredas hell to start this journey.
I did not like my body when shefirst started teaching me how
(28:26):
to take the pictures.
I was so like I don't want tosay I want to say there's a
little embarrassed.
There was a lot of shame in theroles, the different things,
and now, the more that I do it,I'm like, oh my God, I feel so
freaking, sexy and gorgeous andit's totally changed my life.
And it doesn't matter what sizeyou are, what shape you are
Like.
There is a way you are, yeah,there is a way for you to feel
(28:46):
and look absolutely fricking,sexy and gorgeous in pictures,
naked clothes.
However, you want to do it.
Jamie is so amazing at this, soplease do reach out to her and
join whenever she decides to doher next group.
Maybe this will entice her to doyeah, maybe it will A generator
responders like, okay, let's dothis, All right, let's close it
(29:07):
and then, and then we'll hitrecord again so you guys can
have the next week We'll be onuh, ejaculation semen retention.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Okay, all right.
If you enjoyed this show, letus know.
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