July 9, 2024 • 35 mins
Can shifting your wealth consciousness truly transform your relationships? Join me, Keri Lynn, the Wealth Alchemist, as I unveil my personal journey through the intertwined realms of money and relationships. Together with the insightful Jamy Miranda, founder of the Parenting Paradox and Notorious Sexy Selfies course, we question conventional wisdom and explore the profound impact that financial attitudes have on our personal lives. Discover how recognizing and altering toxic patterns can lead to a life of peace, prosperity, and pleasure.
Parenting is no easy feat, and the roles both parents play are vital, whether they're together or apart. In this episode, Jamie and I share heartfelt stories about our experiences with long-term marriages, the tough choices between unschooling and traditional education, and how our core values like freedom, self-responsibility, and growth have guided our parenting journeys. Through candid discussions about mental health and personal development, we highlight how these elements are essential for effective parenting and enriching our overall well-being.
Venturing into the often taboo subjects of astrology, human design, and gene keys, Jamie and I discuss how these spiritual frameworks can both expand and limit our understanding of ourselves and our relationships. We emphasize the importance of treating these systems as tools for self-discovery and encourage the respect for individuality and differing perspectives. As we wrap up, we invite you to connect with us and share your thoughts, ensuring that our conversation continues to foster authentic connections both online and offline.
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Keri (00:01):
Welcome to Redefining Normal.
Join us as we questionconventional thinking and talk
about the courage it takes tocreate and live a deliciously
vibrant life.
Jamy (00:10):
This podcast is for people who know there's a better way
to do life and love how we showup in connection to others our
kids, our partners, our businessand, beyond that, our
relationship with money,vitality and, more than anything
, ourselves.
Keri (00:26):
We're two shamelessly unapologetic moms choosing to
experience the fullness of life.
Jamy (00:32):
And we're collapsing the conditioning that says you can't
live a life of pleasure, peaceand abundance in the midst of
the mundane of life,responsibilities, work and kids.
Keri (00:43):
Thank you for listening in .
Let's do this.
So what is redefining normal?
Let's get stuck into this,shall we?
I am Keri Lynn and I call myselfthe Wealth Alchemist.
I really love helping people toshift their relationship with
money and wealth.
I help you to break throughyour glass ceilings and the
(01:03):
limitations that you have aroundreceiving, holding and growing
your wealth and then ultimatelycreating a life of peace,
prosperity and pleasure.
I totally believe that I amhere to help support, shift the
wealth consciousness of thisplanet, and what really drives
me is to look at how we canshift the consciousness and
(01:24):
elevate ourselves into acompletely new way of thinking,
whether it be wealth or anyother area of our lives.
I tend to look at money andwealth because it's something
that a lot of people have stuffaround and ultimately it's a
doorway into how we can look atour inner worlds and create a
(01:45):
new landscape.
Whether it's through and moneyis relationship, so I look at it
as a relationship and whetherit's through our relationship
with money that expands out intoother relationships.
And what a lot of people alwaysfind very interesting about
when they come in to work withme is that they come in for
money but we end up talkingabout their relationships and
their marriages, theirfriendships, their coworkers,
(02:08):
their colleagues, but ultimately, a lot of people end up it's
always layered together moneyand intimacy.
People's intimacy levels alwaysincrease or find new ways of
being when we start to look atmoney and wealth as well.
It's true, so true right, andit's, I think, actually, jamie,
something we do have to have aconversation around on this show
100%.
(02:30):
So the reason that I do moneywork personally is because it
took me a long time to get tothe place to actually own this
story, to own my story, and Igrew up in a wealthy and
successful family.
My grandfather was the numberone Chevrolet dealer from 1936
to 1986.
He sold 1 million cars.
The dealership went on all theway till 2008.
(02:52):
Crash.
So many cars after that.
But but but that time of life.
You know it's quite amazingwhen I actually think about that
, how phenomenal it was.
And they ultimately created afleet car leasing for way back
then and the company has rununtil a couple of years ago when
it was sold for $2 billion.
(03:12):
And so when I say that I grew upin the experience of money and
wealth, I really get it and likea huge internal level many
people don't get, and so,instead of hiding the story
anymore, I decided to come intothe, into the space and really
start teaching and holding thepoint for people to move into
creating their dreams and andallowing them to shift out of
the stories they had aroundmoney and wealth, because a lot
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of the things that people cometo me and share I don't really
actually believe to be true.
But what I will say and what hasreally become a part of my
story and what I share is thatmoney doesn't buy happiness, and
a lot of people think that themore that we grow our wealth and
the more money you have, thehappier that you become, but the
truth is that happiness and joyand bliss and love and all
(03:57):
these things that we're going totalk about on the show and how
we create that, it comes frominside, no matter how much money
you have, and so for me, thatactually led me to write my
fourth book, which is coming outsoon Yay, right.
It ends with me break the chainsof conditioning and embrace a
life of peace, prosperity andpleasure, and it's the story of
(04:20):
how I thought I had a mentalhealth issue, but really I had a
toxic relationship problem.
So I am now divorced.
I have an estrangedrelationship with my mother.
That happened at the same time.
I basically divorced my mom andmy ex-husband at the same time
and my mom and I now currentlyonly really talk when on text,
when necessary, and I haven'tseen her in it's almost two
(04:40):
years, can you believe?
Jamy (04:41):
it Two years.
Keri (04:42):
Yeah, so I am the author of that book that's coming, and
then I am an author of threeother books, including the New
Wealth Magnetize Abundance.
Hold your Wealth and Leave aLegacy.
One other one Save your Assets.
The Foundational Framework.
I Wish I Knew Before Throwing$100K Down the Drain.
That's a really important one,and I have my first one, which
(05:06):
is how to use Feng Shui tocreate business abundance.
So I love writing, I lovesupporting people to write as
well, and I have another podcastcalled the Wealth Alchemist
Podcast.
It is sitting over there with94 episodes y'all can go and
listen to and geek out on allsorts of money things.
I'm a mama of two boys and Ilove to move my body through
dance and gymnastics-basedmovement, and I am such a
(05:29):
chocoholic, that is true.
So that's me in a nutshell, Ithink.
I think that covers it all.
Jamy (05:38):
Not all, it covers a lot of it, but we will you know
obviously explore deeper levelsas we continue this conversation
in the coming episodes.
Keri (05:48):
Yes.
Jamy (05:48):
Yes so.
Keri (05:49):
Jamie, over to you, tell us about you.
Jamy (05:51):
So, yes, I am co-host to Redefining Normal.
I am Jamie Miranda, I'm thefounder of the Parenting Paradox
and the Notorious Sexy Selfiescourse and the Notorious Sexy
Selfies course, and I find thatmy work is really being in
devotion to supporting themother that exists at that
intersection of like intentionalparenting.
(06:13):
She like desires a reallyhealthy partnership with whoever
you know, her husband or along-term partner, and then
adding to that, the cultivationof her own like prosperity that
includes mental and physicalhealth, her spiritual and
emotional wellbeing and her ownlike ecstatic, turned on
(06:38):
pleasure in life.
So where Carrie's doorway ismoney and wealth.
My work really is and I'lladmit, sometimes reluctantly
because it feels reallyvulnerable to talk about and
share, but it's in mentoring andteaching around the parenting
relationship and the layers oflike what that looks like,
trying to parent with a partneras well.
(07:05):
As well, carrie and I both, Ithink really bring it all back
to relationships.
You know it's like we weunderstand the importance of
that space between two people.
So it's relationships with ourkids, with our partners, with
money, with ourselves, with life, with business, whatever you
name it.
It all kind of centers aroundrelating in general and, like we
(07:25):
both said before, as with money, it's all connected.
So it's kind of this idea thatthe way we do one thing is the
way we do everything and thisdoorway around parenting it's
really specifically forspiritual entrepreneurs, moms in
particular, because that's justthe role I hold, I'm the mother
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, and so it's the way I seethings.
The lens it's my own lens, butit's like we're on our healing
journey and oftentimes a lot ofthe mothers that I work with
kind of had that awakening intotheir spiritual journey before
they became moms.
And so there were a lot ofrelationships that began in an
(08:07):
old kind of frequency and oldparadigm and old vibration and
there really is an initiationand a portal an intense portal,
I will add of bringing thoserelationships into integrity
with the new way, with our newway, our new vibration, our new
perspectives and the new waythat we do things.
You know, it's kind of a bigcleanup process to bring these
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close family relationships fromold paradigms into the new ones.
And honestly I say this a lotthat I'm actually really jealous
when I see younger new moms whohave done a lot of that work
before they had kids, youngernew moms who have done a lot of
that work before they had kidsand you know it's like they get
to start those relationships inthose kind of developmental
(08:51):
years from that awareness.
And I will say I do want to addthat I don't think any
parenting journey is just, youknow, easy, breezy and like
because they've done it that way, it's easier.
Every parenting journey, you,you know, has its set of
challenges.
We're all learning as we go andso I know carrie and I've kind
of joked around about you know,like we both, I, you do too,
(09:14):
right like I studied educationand developmental psychology and
in school, yeah, mine was earlychildhood education, yep.
It was definitely not my.
You know my what's the word?
Qualifications for the workthat I do.
That really stems from walkingthe walk, talking the talk,
journeying the journey alongsidemy kids, and I think that
(09:40):
there's this awareness that youcan't learn how to do parenting
from a book, no matter what youread, I mean, it gives you some
framework, it gives you someideas to start from, but I tell
my kids often that this versionof me, this 46-year-old Jamie,
(10:00):
has never parented 13-year-oldyou in this particular situation
.
So we are learning alongsideeach other, with a commitment to
stay at the table, to stay inthe conversation and to figure
this out together.
And that's what it all comesback to is like a choice to stay
present with what is yeah.
Keri (10:22):
I think something to add really quickly here that feels
relevant as you're talking aboutthis when Jamie and I first met
which we actually haven'ttalked about yet we first met
when both of us were inmarriages.
Jamie's still in her marriage.
At that point, when things feelreally yuck, like you know and
(10:43):
I'm saying this because we'retalking to a lot of people who
are in the spiritual space, whothere's a woman who, generally
speaking, their partner don'tdoesn't always come alongside.
It's like you feel like you'redragging a man with you and the
woman's going further, faster,learning, educating, growing,
all that kind of stuff, and theguy you're like come on, come on
, come on.
And I'm saying this becauseit's such a common thing to see
right now yeah, and so I thinkit's really important to just
(11:04):
mention here that that's how wemet.
Five, five, can you believe it?
Five years ago.
Yeah, and so, as we're sittinghere talking about this, like
this is where we started, andand I and I mentioned that I'm
divorced, now she's not andwe've both taken this path to
totally reinvent our lives andit looks different for both of
us and how it's evolved, but Ireally want to say cause Jamie's
(11:25):
sitting here talking aboutparenting Like it wasn't always,
like.
She's going to share a lot abouther journey around this and it
wasn't always this way and bothof us could definitely say five
years ago the scene looked a lotdifferent.
And that's why we're heresharing the story, because we
understand what that's like tobe in that position and to go
like I don't think this can everwork and I don't know if I'm
(11:47):
ever going to have the joy andall these things and how am I
going to do this and how am Igoing to navigate all of this
stuff.
And we're now on the other sideof this, on the, on the place
where, um, we have so much joyand bliss and pleasure and we've
done it differently.
And I think it's a reallyimportant thing to add in right
here.
So, as you guys get theframework of where we're coming
from when we tell you, whenJamie shares you a little bit
(12:09):
more about, like her, herparenting journey and her yeah,
Well, cause, even the parentingjourney, um, really includes the
conversation of partnership aswell, you know, because it takes
two to make a baby.
Jamy (12:21):
Uh, it takes two to raise a kid.
Oftentimes, you know, like Imean, obviously there's lots of
different ways that that can,that, that can look, but whether
you're together with yourpartner or not, there there are,
you know.
That's like there are twoexternal forces, kind of making
choices and raising and or notright, or choosing to be absent
from that, but there are stilltwo energetic forces in the
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creation of this new soul on theplanet.
And so a lot of my parentingjourney really does include the
conversation of my relationshipwith my husband.
And yeah, like Carrie said, wewere in in in a very similar
kind of question of like doesthis work, Will this work, what
do we need to do to make it work?
Or to change the definition andthe framework of this
(13:06):
relationship?
Because I found our way together, and, you know, carrie and her
ex made different choices, andyou know, I mean, I think that's
part of the beauty of what webring to this conversation,
though, is such differentperspectives and pathways to the
same questions, and so, youknow, you get a very
(13:27):
well-rounded kind of dynamic inthis place.
I'm the mama to two girls, soCarrie's got two boys, and I'm
not a chocoholic.
Keri (13:39):
Actually, I like fruity, handy Starburst and Skittles,
and you know all that nastystuff I actually really like
healthy and I say healthy, quoteunquote, but like good quality
chocolate, yeah.
Yeah, I'm definitely leaning tothat too.
I'm definitely trying to stayaway from the sugar, although I
(13:59):
could definitely go that wayreal quick.
Yeah, and you unschooled yourkids as well.
Jamy (14:04):
Yes, yep, so I unschooled them for most of their education
.
I have an 18 year old and a 13year old right now.
My 13 year old has recentlydecided to go into the school
district and it's been quite anadventure for both of us.
I love it.
I love watching her thrive inany place that she's at.
I've been married for 21 years.
(14:26):
Actually, this week, sunday, isour 21st wedding anniversary.
I don't know what we're goingto do yet, but we'll find
something fun and, you know,exciting to do.
Keri (14:40):
I was married 17.
I was married 17 years.
We got separated in two yearsand so it was 19.
I mean, I'm actually 19 married, but 17 years together and 19,
two years separated, justdivorced.
Jamy (14:50):
That's a lot.
Kyle and I actually met eachother in high school and I did
share this before, but so not alot of people know that we
flirted with each other a lot inhigh school.
Like we were never together inhigh school, we were just
friends, but we flirted a lot.
One night stand that wentnowhere at the time.
(15:13):
It wasn't like a couple ofyears later and a marriage.
So I was married once before,um, married and divorced within
a year, um, and we'll get intoall of that.
Like that's a whole episode oninfidelity and cheating and
ancestral stuff around that.
Um yeah, so I was married oncebefore divorced, ran into him at
(15:36):
like a homecoming football gameand he asked me out I think
that was like in October.
We moved in in December,engaged in April, married in
July and the rest is history.
I just got the chills.
I love you.
So that's us, and I will tellyou my highest values are
(15:58):
freedom and self-responsibility,which really go hand in hand,
which I think is why they're thetop two, and then like growth
and self-development, like thisdesire to continue expanding.
So, carrie, expanding.
So, kerry, what are your, wouldyou say, your highest values?
Keri (16:15):
freedom, love, freedom, love and I'd say, sovereignty.
Sovereignty is a high value aswell.
Growth, sovereignty, growth,growth and health.
The vitality I'm really latelyon a very big journey of how can
(16:40):
I, you know, actually even thisbook, you know it ends with me
is my journey out of my mentalhealth stuff.
And so for me it's become Imean, it's always.
I studied massage and integratedbody therapies and all sorts of
nutrition and all sorts ofhealth things 19 years ago, 20,
20 years ago, 20.
Yeah, 20 years ago.
That's how he, when I met, wasin a massage training.
(17:01):
Oh, wow.
And so it's always been a partof my life and in these last
four years it's become more andmore and more and more critical
because my mental health andI'll say this like I am a huge
advocate for mental healthadvocacy to have more awareness
around it, because even as aperson who was in this field,
coaching, for the last 19 years,like to not understand the
(17:22):
depth of the stuff that wasgoing on in my mind.
That didn't need to be right,because I had no idea how messed
up and I say this with a lot oflove for myself how messed up
the way that my mind worked andhow depressed and anxious I was
for so long and how much itaffected my ex-husband, how much
it affected my kids, how muchit affected me.
And you know, the journey hasbeen a long, not easy journey
(17:45):
out and four years later, fiveyears later, I can definitely
say my mental health is amillion times better, my
vitality is a million timesbetter, my energy levels are
better, I'm a far better mothernow.
Um and so for me, that is ahuge, uh, a huge part of my life
is really unraveling that andteaching that and helping other
(18:08):
people, and that's part of whatI was saying earlier.
Right, that money doesn't buy ushappiness.
I could tell you that I'msurrounded, I've been surrounded
by so much money and so muchmisery.
Yeah right.
Jamy (18:22):
And I think too this importance of like our physical
vessel is important in thespiritual journey, Like a lot of
kind of spiritual communitiesare all about ascension and 5D
like leaving the body, Leavingthe body, and I think both of us
, on our journey, have reallyrecognized the importance of the
physical vessel of our bodies,of our 3D self.
Right, we're here to be human.
We're not here to, like, leavethe physical form.
(18:46):
We're here to bring all of thatinto this body and to operate
on this planet and on this earth, beat on the ground, like fully
here, and that requires takingcare of, you know, our nervous
system, of our, of all of oursystems really, and you know,
like, our, our, our bodies are aspiritual gift.
(19:08):
So if you're ignoring it oryou're trying to leave it, you
might be missing the pointTotally, your point here.
Keri (19:16):
That's a whole episode right there too, by the way.
It really is, and actually Iwant to add into, before we move
on to this next part of this Iwant to add in.
I said that money doesn't buyhappiness, but I also want to
say and be very clear that italso can right Money.
Jamy (19:28):
It can contribute greatly to happiness if you know how to
relate to it, if you know how torelate to it.
Keri (19:31):
Right, I don't want to say it in a way that's like don't
have money because it doesn'tbuy you happiness or you're
going to be miserable with money.
It's more to the point whereit's like, one way or the other,
you find your own happiness andyour joy.
And money can be a really greatcatalyst and give you so much
opportunity to be able to takecare of yourself, like if I
didn't have the money that Ihave, I couldn of taken the path
that I did to take care ofmyself, right, um, it's a huge
(19:54):
tool.
Jamy (19:55):
It's a huge tool, exactly so.
I just want to be clear yeah,we are definitely never going to
tell you not to go get that bag, like get the money that is not
what this show is about.
Keri (20:08):
Okay, so we have the redefining normal podcast.
Is us turning on this batsignal, if you will?
I also call it like an antenna,right, reaching out lighthouse,
right, right.
We are calling in all of youcheeky change makers, to connect
and to be inspired and feelsafe in a beautiful sanctuary of
(20:28):
support Absolutely Like.
Jamy (20:36):
We really want to speak to a dynamic group of curious,
free-spirited individuals whothrive on shaking things up and
blazing new trails.
I guess change makers, we don'tjust accept the status quo.
We question it, we challenge it, we redefine it.
And Carrie and I reallyintentionally do that with kind
of a cheeky, playful spirit.
We aren't trying to forceanything, but to to open to
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curiosity and to welcome thecontemplation of what's possible
.
Keri (21:04):
Uh, we have some really.
I mean, we've already recordeda bunch of the shows and I can
tell you already that we havesome deep and intense
conversations that are comingfor you and more that I know
that we're going to record alongthe way.
That are going to be really, uh, deep and meaningful and get
you to think outside of the box,for sure.
But we will be giggling andhaving a good old time, laughing
our faces off, and we hope thatyou laugh with us, um, and
(21:27):
joking along the way, because,to me and Jamie, if we can't
have fun while we're doing it,what are you doing?
Right, it's also reallyimportant for us to make room
for the paradoxical spectrum ofreal talk and joyful banter and,
beyond that, right, like Jamieand I both believe that as much
as we can tell you one thing, wecould also be on the same, on
the other spectrum at the sametime.
Right, that one of my healingfriends mentors, teachers who I
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was one of the first people Iwent to speak to when I was on
this overcoming bipolartendencies journey and I said
okay, what are we going to do?
How are we going to make thisbetter?
Right, how am I going to makethis better.
And she's like Carrie, you'renot.
I was like what?
And she said we are all bipolar, we all live For humans, we all
have two polars and what yourjob is is to learn to live in
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these polars.
And it was one of the mosthealthy, amazing things a woman
could tell me, because it alwaysmeant that it was never my job
to actually think that I couldnot be in both ends of the
spectrum, because I'm alwaysgoing to have both ends of the
spectrum.
It's how do I live within themand have it be safe in my body
to go to all ends of thespectrum, why I live within them
and have it be safe in my bodyto go to all ends of the
spectrum?
But it's also in the way that welook at our philosophies in
(22:40):
life.
Right, like we can live, we canhave two, two almost
contradictory thought processesat the same time.
You know, and in this placethat we're going to bring you
into, it is like not to say thatwe're right or wrong, because
there is no right or wrong inthis moment.
This thing might be the rightthing.
In this moment, this thingmight be the right thing, and
it's always to come back intothat alignment within yourself
and allow yourself to live inthis huge paradoxical spectrum
(23:03):
that we as humans as Jamie wastalking about in this 3D reality
that we are here to embody, isto embody all of the fullness of
ourselves, which means thatsometimes they totally clash and
don't make any sense together.
Jamy (23:16):
I think about that with parenting paradox, right, like I
tell parents all the time, likeyou can literally be like I
cannot stand my kid right nowand I love them more than
anything on this planet.
And they're true at the sametime, and so it's like if you
can't let both be true, you tryto reject one or the other.
But they're both true andinnate.
You know it's letting it bothbe true.
Keri (23:38):
Yes, yes.
Jamy (23:40):
So here we're going to make things fun and we're going
to really flip the script onwhat transformation looks like
in this world for ourselves andfor you the bold visionaries,
the, you know, like inquisitivedisruptors, the freedom
revolutionaries, those who, like, refuse to be confined by the
status quo, by generationalconditioning, by religion or
(24:04):
governments or whatever rightLike.
It's like anything that tellsyou you should be a certain way.
I will add to that we aredefinitely like woo-woo,
spiritual, energetic type people.
Like we mentioned before.
I think it's important todesignate that presence is the
opposite of dogma.
(24:24):
So any system, whether it'slegal or like whatever
collective conditioning andtradition, family stuff, it can
all get dogmatic right.
So even the spiritual kind ofrealm can get that way.
And this is really what I thinkCarrie and I have been
discussing recently is that wehave a bit of an aversion to.
(24:49):
Is that, like in the spiritualworld, it's kind of a new set of
rules and dogma that tell uswhat we're supposed to be and
how we're supposed to live orsupposed to believe, and we're
kind of both.
At the point where we're overthat dynamic, we're more focused
on a commitment to presence andbeing responsive to life in
(25:12):
this moment.
Like that's a big part of Ithink what this podcast is about
is stopping to challenge, wherewe just navigate from
reactivity, from some deep likeunconscious dogma that this is
just the way things work, andreally actually bringing full,
intentional and present, likecuriosity to life and and asking
(25:34):
like, like how, how can this bebetter?
Like, how, how am I limitingmyself?
What do I want to create here?
And just really being alive inthe moment and this again has to
do with their relationship tomoney, parenting, business,
friendship, whatever you name it, going to the fricking grocery
store, it doesn't matter beingpresent and responsive to life
(25:57):
instead of, like, getting stuckin some autopilot reaction to
the way things are happening.
Keri (26:05):
I think one of the things you just said there, jamie, I
want to like really enforce, isthat a lot of what we're going
to talk about is the fact that,whilst we're going to have all
these conversations, rememberwe're two moms doing life Like
we're just two normal womendoing life, and the way that we
invite you into this world is tolook at like life itself can be
(26:26):
its own amazing, pleasurefilled, joy filled experience.
Going to the supermarket can bea pleasure filled, joy filled
experience.
Right, we're not asking you togo out and have some crazy ass
life that you know doesn't seemrealistic.
It's a very real.
take the kids to school, do themake, the make the lunch, the
lunches, have dinner like it's avery real life, yeah yeah, yeah
(26:50):
in that we're going to start toreally challenge these dogmatic
norms in all the differentarenas and, uh, including, like
jamie just said, the spiritualcommunities, the goddess,
revolutions, polarity, dynamics.
You know, we've been throughall of this and it's again these
, these paradoxes, of which, yes, it's true, and yes, and yes,
(27:11):
and yes and um.
Also, for example, in thespiritual community, there's a
lot of talk about astrology,human design, gene keys, which
we freaking love love rightdepending on how you interact
with any of these frameworks,right, um, any of these
frameworks that we have in thisworld can look like a box and a
limitation, and can also beexpansion, and so there are many
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ways that we're going to helpyou to expand through this, but
also realize that it's yourchoice how you want to interact
with any of them, and don't letany box be a limitation for your
life.
Really allow it to be anexpansion.
Bring any of these ideas thatwe bring to you.
If they're not expanding you,then you know you don't have to
(27:53):
take them on.
Jamy (27:54):
Yeah, true, I love your analogy of like a coat.
Keri (27:58):
Ah, yes, I always say that when I talk about human design,
I'm always like wear it, put iton like a coat.
You can always take it off,just try this.
And any of these conversationsthat we have with you, whether
it's human design or sexualityor blowjobs or money things,
whatever we're going to talkabout, because we got it all
going on right.
Whatever we, whatever we inviteyou into, we invite you to like
(28:19):
, put it on like a coat, liketry it on and see if it works.
If it doesn't work, you canfeel free to take it off and
leave it at the door the nexttime.
Right, you can just play withit.
Jamy (28:27):
Yeah, there is room to disagree here.
In fact, carrie and I disagreeon a lot of things, I mean like
the.
The thing we agree on, though,is the respect to leave room for
that Right Like we we, wereally value the.
It's like unique, individuatedperspectives.
That's what makes life and theworld and humanity interesting.
(28:48):
It's interesting, you know,that we call this redefining
normal, because normal really iskind of an illusion.
You know, it's like if you'renormal, it means you're
conforming to everybody aroundyou and you're not being your
authentic, unique essence, andwe need more people to be that
in the world.
Keri (29:07):
So yeah, speaking of human design, I think it's important
that we mention I'm a manifester.
Jamie is a generator.
You'll hear this in ourexperiences.
You'll hear this between us.
If you actually understandhuman design, you'll probably
actually hear it in theconversations.
By the way, jamie fullyactually had this all ready for
us to go for the intro becauseher and her like genius of
(29:30):
putting things together step bystep Thank you, jamie.
I bring the, I bring the ideas.
Jamie starts to put thingstogether step by step.
We work really well togetherand I think this is part of the
fun of playing into some ofthese experiences is really
knowing where people's strengthsare and how you can actually
show up in a relationship,knowing your strengths and being
able to lean into each other'sstrengths and letting it be the
(29:54):
flow that gets to happen becauseof knowing these types of
things.
Jamy (29:58):
Right, it's been huge, I think, to an untangling
conditioning.
It's like this is the way I'msupposed to be and then
oftentimes people will learn thehuman design and be like, oh,
that's not the way I'm built.
So I've been trying to workagainst my nature to be
something according to someoneelse's expectations and now I
have the almost permission andfreedom to actually be what I
(30:21):
truly feel is innate to me.
And, yeah, these systems havelike radically redefined and
changed the way I parent, theway I relate to my husband,
understanding the way he's built.
Carrie, you know, it's like whenyou understand these things
again, we use them not as a box.
We do not define people by them.
(30:42):
We use it as a framework to getcurious about what resonates
and what works.
It's an experiment really.
You know.
It's like you try things on,you see what works, you see what
doesn't and you know evenbeyond, like the structures
themselves, we're all uniquebeings.
It's different for all of us.
So, like continuing the analogyof a coat you can put it on and
(31:05):
see if it feels good and if youlike it.
And then you know me with mylike, aesthetics and my design
and beauty stuff.
You can style the same coatlots of different ways.
You know, carrie and I willwear an outfit differently, so
it's the same with these systems, we're all going to make it our
own and it's so important tooccupy your own space and your
(31:31):
own, knowing your own innerwisdom.
Keri (31:34):
And your own unique gifts.
Jamy (31:35):
Yes.
Keri (31:36):
Totally, yeah, great.
So this is our introduction toredefining normal and a really
general idea of what we arecreating here, who we are, what
we're bringing to the world.
We are creating here, who weare, what we're bringing to the
world.
Our mischievous nature totallyfuels our desire to explore the
unknown, break through theboundaries and create a world
that resonates with our deepestvalues of authenticity and
innovation.
So we will be making, we willhave discussions around
(31:59):
everything from how to make timeand space for a hot sex life,
full parenting, to our humandesign, gene keys, sole purpose
work, dating, self-reflection,money.
What other things do we talkabout?
I mean, we have so many amazingconversations We've been just
talking about some like breakingfree of governmental things
that you guys, we are going togo the whole road here.
(32:21):
There's not like and to behonest, this is the intro.
But, to be honest, if there'sanything that you were curious
about, that, as you, as we starthaving these conversations and
you're like, I want to know moreabout that.
We really invite all of ourlisteners to be able to
communicate.
We really want to engage withyou guys.
So please reach out to us, letus know.
Is there a topic that you'relike oh my God, this is
(32:41):
something that's really in myheart right now and I don't know
what to do to move through this, or this is something that I'm
really confused about.
Or I'm living in these twoparadoxes, or I'm stuck, or
whatever, and you're looking toget outside your box.
Please reach out, let us know,because we really are here to
have these taboo conversations,and why we call this.
To me, redefining normal is tomake these taboo conversations
(33:02):
normal, and I can tell you thatthere's some things that are
coming up that I'm like are wereally having this conversation,
jamie?
Oh my God, really we're doingthis and I'm like, and she's
like isn't that the whole point,carrie, just wait guys, these
episodes are Fire.
There's some fire coming.
Yeah, they're juicy, quiteliterally.
So, yeah, so we really areabout having these taboo
(33:29):
conversations and making themvery normal, and so if there's
anything for you that feelstaboo and you want to hear us
talk about it, please do reachout and um and ask us.
Jamy (33:36):
Yeah, and we will.
We'll share a lot ofperspectives, ideas, beliefs,
like we're gonna.
We're gonna bring ourselves tothe table, but we will always
point you back to yourself.
Yeah, so as you're listening,it's like take a minute to
consider new possibilities, takewhat serves you and leave the
rest.
Like the world really does needmore unique and authentic
(33:57):
expression and we celebrate allof it.
So it's like, together wereally want to embrace all of
our unique perspectives andcelebrate our rebellious spirit,
knowing that true project,progress, this, this like
expansion and change andevolution, it comes from daring
to be different, to notaccommodate and just fit into
(34:17):
the norm.
So we really do invite you tojoin us on this journey of
self-discovery, transformation,limitless possibility.
Welcome to the tribe of cheekychange makers, where curiosity
meets courage and freedom meetsfun.
Keri (34:34):
Yes, thank you so much for listening in supporting us on
this big passion project andthis soul mission work.
We are so excited to bringthese fun and deep conversations
to all of you and we're reallyexcited to have you listen in
and connect with us throughoutthis next series of
conversations that go on for aslong as they go on, for Thank
you for being here.
Jamy (34:55):
Thank you.
Thank you.
See you on the next episode.
If you enjoyed this show, letus know.
We're all about authenticconnections, so come chat with
us on social media or email.
Links are listed in the shownotes.
Keri (35:09):
And please make sure to subscribe to the podcast on your
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Welcome to Redefining Normal.
Join us as we questionconventional thinking and talk
about the courage it takes tocreate and live a deliciously
vibrant life.
Jamy (00:10):
This podcast is for people who know there's a better way
to do life and love how we showup in connection to others our
kids, our partners, our businessand, beyond that, our
relationship with money,vitality and, more than anything
, ourselves.
Keri (00:26):
We're two shamelessly unapologetic moms choosing to
experience the fullness of life.
Jamy (00:32):
And we're collapsing the conditioning that says you can't
live a life of pleasure, peaceand abundance in the midst of
the mundane of life,responsibilities, work and kids.
Keri (00:43):
Thank you for listening in .
Let's do this.
So what is redefining normal?
Let's get stuck into this,shall we?
I am Keri Lynn and I call myselfthe Wealth Alchemist.
I really love helping people toshift their relationship with
money and wealth.
I help you to break throughyour glass ceilings and the
(01:03):
limitations that you have aroundreceiving, holding and growing
your wealth and then ultimatelycreating a life of peace,
prosperity and pleasure.
I totally believe that I amhere to help support, shift the
wealth consciousness of thisplanet, and what really drives
me is to look at how we canshift the consciousness and
(01:24):
elevate ourselves into acompletely new way of thinking,
whether it be wealth or anyother area of our lives.
I tend to look at money andwealth because it's something
that a lot of people have stuffaround and ultimately it's a
doorway into how we can look atour inner worlds and create a
(01:45):
new landscape.
Whether it's through and moneyis relationship, so I look at it
as a relationship and whetherit's through our relationship
with money that expands out intoother relationships.
And what a lot of people alwaysfind very interesting about
when they come in to work withme is that they come in for
money but we end up talkingabout their relationships and
their marriages, theirfriendships, their coworkers,
(02:08):
their colleagues, but ultimately, a lot of people end up it's
always layered together moneyand intimacy.
People's intimacy levels alwaysincrease or find new ways of
being when we start to look atmoney and wealth as well.
It's true, so true right, andit's, I think, actually, jamie,
something we do have to have aconversation around on this show
100%.
(02:30):
So the reason that I do moneywork personally is because it
took me a long time to get tothe place to actually own this
story, to own my story, and Igrew up in a wealthy and
successful family.
My grandfather was the numberone Chevrolet dealer from 1936
to 1986.
He sold 1 million cars.
The dealership went on all theway till 2008.
(02:52):
Crash.
So many cars after that.
But but but that time of life.
You know it's quite amazingwhen I actually think about that
, how phenomenal it was.
And they ultimately created afleet car leasing for way back
then and the company has rununtil a couple of years ago when
it was sold for $2 billion.
(03:12):
And so when I say that I grew upin the experience of money and
wealth, I really get it and likea huge internal level many
people don't get, and so,instead of hiding the story
anymore, I decided to come intothe, into the space and really
start teaching and holding thepoint for people to move into
creating their dreams and andallowing them to shift out of
the stories they had aroundmoney and wealth, because a lot
(03:35):
of the things that people cometo me and share I don't really
actually believe to be true.
But what I will say and what hasreally become a part of my
story and what I share is thatmoney doesn't buy happiness, and
a lot of people think that themore that we grow our wealth and
the more money you have, thehappier that you become, but the
truth is that happiness and joyand bliss and love and all
(03:57):
these things that we're going totalk about on the show and how
we create that, it comes frominside, no matter how much money
you have, and so for me, thatactually led me to write my
fourth book, which is coming outsoon Yay, right.
It ends with me break the chainsof conditioning and embrace a
life of peace, prosperity andpleasure, and it's the story of
(04:20):
how I thought I had a mentalhealth issue, but really I had a
toxic relationship problem.
So I am now divorced.
I have an estrangedrelationship with my mother.
That happened at the same time.
I basically divorced my mom andmy ex-husband at the same time
and my mom and I now currentlyonly really talk when on text,
when necessary, and I haven'tseen her in it's almost two
(04:40):
years, can you believe?
Jamy (04:41):
it Two years.
Keri (04:42):
Yeah, so I am the author of that book that's coming, and
then I am an author of threeother books, including the New
Wealth Magnetize Abundance.
Hold your Wealth and Leave aLegacy.
One other one Save your Assets.
The Foundational Framework.
I Wish I Knew Before Throwing$100K Down the Drain.
That's a really important one,and I have my first one, which
(05:06):
is how to use Feng Shui tocreate business abundance.
So I love writing, I lovesupporting people to write as
well, and I have another podcastcalled the Wealth Alchemist
Podcast.
It is sitting over there with94 episodes y'all can go and
listen to and geek out on allsorts of money things.
I'm a mama of two boys and Ilove to move my body through
dance and gymnastics-basedmovement, and I am such a
(05:29):
chocoholic, that is true.
So that's me in a nutshell, Ithink.
I think that covers it all.
Jamy (05:38):
Not all, it covers a lot of it, but we will you know
obviously explore deeper levelsas we continue this conversation
in the coming episodes.
Keri (05:48):
Yes.
Jamy (05:48):
Yes so.
Keri (05:49):
Jamie, over to you, tell us about you.
Jamy (05:51):
So, yes, I am co-host to Redefining Normal.
I am Jamie Miranda, I'm thefounder of the Parenting Paradox
and the Notorious Sexy Selfiescourse and the Notorious Sexy
Selfies course, and I find thatmy work is really being in
devotion to supporting themother that exists at that
intersection of like intentionalparenting.
(06:13):
She like desires a reallyhealthy partnership with whoever
you know, her husband or along-term partner, and then
adding to that, the cultivationof her own like prosperity that
includes mental and physicalhealth, her spiritual and
emotional wellbeing and her ownlike ecstatic, turned on
(06:38):
pleasure in life.
So where Carrie's doorway ismoney and wealth.
My work really is and I'lladmit, sometimes reluctantly
because it feels reallyvulnerable to talk about and
share, but it's in mentoring andteaching around the parenting
relationship and the layers oflike what that looks like,
trying to parent with a partneras well.
(07:05):
As well, carrie and I both, Ithink really bring it all back
to relationships.
You know it's like we weunderstand the importance of
that space between two people.
So it's relationships with ourkids, with our partners, with
money, with ourselves, with life, with business, whatever you
name it.
It all kind of centers aroundrelating in general and, like we
(07:25):
both said before, as with money, it's all connected.
So it's kind of this idea thatthe way we do one thing is the
way we do everything and thisdoorway around parenting it's
really specifically forspiritual entrepreneurs, moms in
particular, because that's justthe role I hold, I'm the mother
(07:46):
, and so it's the way I seethings.
The lens it's my own lens, butit's like we're on our healing
journey and oftentimes a lot ofthe mothers that I work with
kind of had that awakening intotheir spiritual journey before
they became moms.
And so there were a lot ofrelationships that began in an
(08:07):
old kind of frequency and oldparadigm and old vibration and
there really is an initiationand a portal an intense portal,
I will add of bringing thoserelationships into integrity
with the new way, with our newway, our new vibration, our new
perspectives and the new waythat we do things.
You know, it's kind of a bigcleanup process to bring these
(08:29):
close family relationships fromold paradigms into the new ones.
And honestly I say this a lotthat I'm actually really jealous
when I see younger new moms whohave done a lot of that work
before they had kids, youngernew moms who have done a lot of
that work before they had kidsand you know it's like they get
to start those relationships inthose kind of developmental
(08:51):
years from that awareness.
And I will say I do want to addthat I don't think any
parenting journey is just, youknow, easy, breezy and like
because they've done it that way, it's easier.
Every parenting journey, you,you know, has its set of
challenges.
We're all learning as we go andso I know carrie and I've kind
of joked around about you know,like we both, I, you do too,
(09:14):
right like I studied educationand developmental psychology and
in school, yeah, mine was earlychildhood education, yep.
It was definitely not my.
You know my what's the word?
Qualifications for the workthat I do.
That really stems from walkingthe walk, talking the talk,
journeying the journey alongsidemy kids, and I think that
(09:40):
there's this awareness that youcan't learn how to do parenting
from a book, no matter what youread, I mean, it gives you some
framework, it gives you someideas to start from, but I tell
my kids often that this versionof me, this 46-year-old Jamie,
(10:00):
has never parented 13-year-oldyou in this particular situation
.
So we are learning alongsideeach other, with a commitment to
stay at the table, to stay inthe conversation and to figure
this out together.
And that's what it all comesback to is like a choice to stay
present with what is yeah.
Keri (10:22):
I think something to add really quickly here that feels
relevant as you're talking aboutthis when Jamie and I first met
which we actually haven'ttalked about yet we first met
when both of us were inmarriages.
Jamie's still in her marriage.
At that point, when things feelreally yuck, like you know and
(10:43):
I'm saying this because we'retalking to a lot of people who
are in the spiritual space, whothere's a woman who, generally
speaking, their partner don'tdoesn't always come alongside.
It's like you feel like you'redragging a man with you and the
woman's going further, faster,learning, educating, growing,
all that kind of stuff, and theguy you're like come on, come on
, come on.
And I'm saying this becauseit's such a common thing to see
right now yeah, and so I thinkit's really important to just
(11:04):
mention here that that's how wemet.
Five, five, can you believe it?
Five years ago.
Yeah, and so, as we're sittinghere talking about this, like
this is where we started, andand I and I mentioned that I'm
divorced, now she's not andwe've both taken this path to
totally reinvent our lives andit looks different for both of
us and how it's evolved, but Ireally want to say cause Jamie's
(11:25):
sitting here talking aboutparenting Like it wasn't always,
like.
She's going to share a lot abouther journey around this and it
wasn't always this way and bothof us could definitely say five
years ago the scene looked a lotdifferent.
And that's why we're heresharing the story, because we
understand what that's like tobe in that position and to go
like I don't think this can everwork and I don't know if I'm
(11:47):
ever going to have the joy andall these things and how am I
going to do this and how am Igoing to navigate all of this
stuff.
And we're now on the other sideof this, on the, on the place
where, um, we have so much joyand bliss and pleasure and we've
done it differently.
And I think it's a reallyimportant thing to add in right
here.
So, as you guys get theframework of where we're coming
from when we tell you, whenJamie shares you a little bit
(12:09):
more about, like her, herparenting journey and her yeah,
Well, cause, even the parentingjourney, um, really includes the
conversation of partnership aswell, you know, because it takes
two to make a baby.
Jamy (12:21):
Uh, it takes two to raise a kid.
Oftentimes, you know, like Imean, obviously there's lots of
different ways that that can,that, that can look, but whether
you're together with yourpartner or not, there there are,
you know.
That's like there are twoexternal forces, kind of making
choices and raising and or notright, or choosing to be absent
from that, but there are stilltwo energetic forces in the
(12:42):
creation of this new soul on theplanet.
And so a lot of my parentingjourney really does include the
conversation of my relationshipwith my husband.
And yeah, like Carrie said, wewere in in in a very similar
kind of question of like doesthis work, Will this work, what
do we need to do to make it work?
Or to change the definition andthe framework of this
(13:06):
relationship?
Because I found our way together, and, you know, carrie and her
ex made different choices, andyou know, I mean, I think that's
part of the beauty of what webring to this conversation,
though, is such differentperspectives and pathways to the
same questions, and so, youknow, you get a very
(13:27):
well-rounded kind of dynamic inthis place.
I'm the mama to two girls, soCarrie's got two boys, and I'm
not a chocoholic.
Keri (13:39):
Actually, I like fruity, handy Starburst and Skittles,
and you know all that nastystuff I actually really like
healthy and I say healthy, quoteunquote, but like good quality
chocolate, yeah.
Yeah, I'm definitely leaning tothat too.
I'm definitely trying to stayaway from the sugar, although I
(13:59):
could definitely go that wayreal quick.
Yeah, and you unschooled yourkids as well.
Jamy (14:04):
Yes, yep, so I unschooled them for most of their education
.
I have an 18 year old and a 13year old right now.
My 13 year old has recentlydecided to go into the school
district and it's been quite anadventure for both of us.
I love it.
I love watching her thrive inany place that she's at.
I've been married for 21 years.
(14:26):
Actually, this week, sunday, isour 21st wedding anniversary.
I don't know what we're goingto do yet, but we'll find
something fun and, you know,exciting to do.
Keri (14:40):
I was married 17.
I was married 17 years.
We got separated in two yearsand so it was 19.
I mean, I'm actually 19 married, but 17 years together and 19,
two years separated, justdivorced.
Jamy (14:50):
That's a lot.
Kyle and I actually met eachother in high school and I did
share this before, but so not alot of people know that we
flirted with each other a lot inhigh school.
Like we were never together inhigh school, we were just
friends, but we flirted a lot.
One night stand that wentnowhere at the time.
(15:13):
It wasn't like a couple ofyears later and a marriage.
So I was married once before,um, married and divorced within
a year, um, and we'll get intoall of that.
Like that's a whole episode oninfidelity and cheating and
ancestral stuff around that.
Um yeah, so I was married oncebefore divorced, ran into him at
(15:36):
like a homecoming football gameand he asked me out I think
that was like in October.
We moved in in December,engaged in April, married in
July and the rest is history.
I just got the chills.
I love you.
So that's us, and I will tellyou my highest values are
(15:58):
freedom and self-responsibility,which really go hand in hand,
which I think is why they're thetop two, and then like growth
and self-development, like thisdesire to continue expanding.
So, carrie, expanding.
So, kerry, what are your, wouldyou say, your highest values?
Keri (16:15):
freedom, love, freedom, love and I'd say, sovereignty.
Sovereignty is a high value aswell.
Growth, sovereignty, growth,growth and health.
The vitality I'm really latelyon a very big journey of how can
(16:40):
I, you know, actually even thisbook, you know it ends with me
is my journey out of my mentalhealth stuff.
And so for me it's become Imean, it's always.
I studied massage and integratedbody therapies and all sorts of
nutrition and all sorts ofhealth things 19 years ago, 20,
20 years ago, 20.
Yeah, 20 years ago.
That's how he, when I met, wasin a massage training.
(17:01):
Oh, wow.
And so it's always been a partof my life and in these last
four years it's become more andmore and more and more critical
because my mental health andI'll say this like I am a huge
advocate for mental healthadvocacy to have more awareness
around it, because even as aperson who was in this field,
coaching, for the last 19 years,like to not understand the
(17:22):
depth of the stuff that wasgoing on in my mind.
That didn't need to be right,because I had no idea how messed
up and I say this with a lot oflove for myself how messed up
the way that my mind worked andhow depressed and anxious I was
for so long and how much itaffected my ex-husband, how much
it affected my kids, how muchit affected me.
And you know, the journey hasbeen a long, not easy journey
(17:45):
out and four years later, fiveyears later, I can definitely
say my mental health is amillion times better, my
vitality is a million timesbetter, my energy levels are
better, I'm a far better mothernow.
Um and so for me, that is ahuge, uh, a huge part of my life
is really unraveling that andteaching that and helping other
(18:08):
people, and that's part of whatI was saying earlier.
Right, that money doesn't buy ushappiness.
I could tell you that I'msurrounded, I've been surrounded
by so much money and so muchmisery.
Yeah right.
Jamy (18:22):
And I think too this importance of like our physical
vessel is important in thespiritual journey, Like a lot of
kind of spiritual communitiesare all about ascension and 5D
like leaving the body, Leavingthe body, and I think both of us
, on our journey, have reallyrecognized the importance of the
physical vessel of our bodies,of our 3D self.
Right, we're here to be human.
We're not here to, like, leavethe physical form.
(18:46):
We're here to bring all of thatinto this body and to operate
on this planet and on this earth, beat on the ground, like fully
here, and that requires takingcare of, you know, our nervous
system, of our, of all of oursystems really, and you know,
like, our, our, our bodies are aspiritual gift.
(19:08):
So if you're ignoring it oryou're trying to leave it, you
might be missing the pointTotally, your point here.
Keri (19:16):
That's a whole episode right there too, by the way.
It really is, and actually Iwant to add into, before we move
on to this next part of this Iwant to add in.
I said that money doesn't buyhappiness, but I also want to
say and be very clear that italso can right Money.
Jamy (19:28):
It can contribute greatly to happiness if you know how to
relate to it, if you know how torelate to it.
Keri (19:31):
Right, I don't want to say it in a way that's like don't
have money because it doesn'tbuy you happiness or you're
going to be miserable with money.
It's more to the point whereit's like, one way or the other,
you find your own happiness andyour joy.
And money can be a really greatcatalyst and give you so much
opportunity to be able to takecare of yourself, like if I
didn't have the money that Ihave, I couldn of taken the path
that I did to take care ofmyself, right, um, it's a huge
(19:54):
tool.
Jamy (19:55):
It's a huge tool, exactly so.
I just want to be clear yeah,we are definitely never going to
tell you not to go get that bag, like get the money that is not
what this show is about.
Keri (20:08):
Okay, so we have the redefining normal podcast.
Is us turning on this batsignal, if you will?
I also call it like an antenna,right, reaching out lighthouse,
right, right.
We are calling in all of youcheeky change makers, to connect
and to be inspired and feelsafe in a beautiful sanctuary of
(20:28):
support Absolutely Like.
Jamy (20:36):
We really want to speak to a dynamic group of curious,
free-spirited individuals whothrive on shaking things up and
blazing new trails.
I guess change makers, we don'tjust accept the status quo.
We question it, we challenge it, we redefine it.
And Carrie and I reallyintentionally do that with kind
of a cheeky, playful spirit.
We aren't trying to forceanything, but to to open to
(20:58):
curiosity and to welcome thecontemplation of what's possible
.
Keri (21:04):
Uh, we have some really.
I mean, we've already recordeda bunch of the shows and I can
tell you already that we havesome deep and intense
conversations that are comingfor you and more that I know
that we're going to record alongthe way.
That are going to be really, uh, deep and meaningful and get
you to think outside of the box,for sure.
But we will be giggling andhaving a good old time, laughing
our faces off, and we hope thatyou laugh with us, um, and
(21:27):
joking along the way, because,to me and Jamie, if we can't
have fun while we're doing it,what are you doing?
Right, it's also reallyimportant for us to make room
for the paradoxical spectrum ofreal talk and joyful banter and,
beyond that, right, like Jamieand I both believe that as much
as we can tell you one thing, wecould also be on the same, on
the other spectrum at the sametime.
Right, that one of my healingfriends mentors, teachers who I
(21:56):
was one of the first people Iwent to speak to when I was on
this overcoming bipolartendencies journey and I said
okay, what are we going to do?
How are we going to make thisbetter?
Right, how am I going to makethis better.
And she's like Carrie, you'renot.
I was like what?
And she said we are all bipolar, we all live For humans, we all
have two polars and what yourjob is is to learn to live in
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these polars.
And it was one of the mosthealthy, amazing things a woman
could tell me, because it alwaysmeant that it was never my job
to actually think that I couldnot be in both ends of the
spectrum, because I'm alwaysgoing to have both ends of the
spectrum.
It's how do I live within themand have it be safe in my body
to go to all ends of thespectrum, why I live within them
and have it be safe in my bodyto go to all ends of the
spectrum?
But it's also in the way that welook at our philosophies in
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life.
Right, like we can live, we canhave two, two almost
contradictory thought processesat the same time.
You know, and in this placethat we're going to bring you
into, it is like not to say thatwe're right or wrong, because
there is no right or wrong inthis moment.
This thing might be the rightthing.
In this moment, this thingmight be the right thing, and
it's always to come back intothat alignment within yourself
and allow yourself to live inthis huge paradoxical spectrum
(23:03):
that we as humans as Jamie wastalking about in this 3D reality
that we are here to embody, isto embody all of the fullness of
ourselves, which means thatsometimes they totally clash and
don't make any sense together.
Jamy (23:16):
I think about that with parenting paradox, right, like I
tell parents all the time, likeyou can literally be like I
cannot stand my kid right nowand I love them more than
anything on this planet.
And they're true at the sametime, and so it's like if you
can't let both be true, you tryto reject one or the other.
But they're both true andinnate.
You know it's letting it bothbe true.
Keri (23:38):
Yes, yes.
Jamy (23:40):
So here we're going to make things fun and we're going
to really flip the script onwhat transformation looks like
in this world for ourselves andfor you the bold visionaries,
the, you know, like inquisitivedisruptors, the freedom
revolutionaries, those who, like, refuse to be confined by the
status quo, by generationalconditioning, by religion or
(24:04):
governments or whatever rightLike.
It's like anything that tellsyou you should be a certain way.
I will add to that we aredefinitely like woo-woo,
spiritual, energetic type people.
Like we mentioned before.
I think it's important todesignate that presence is the
opposite of dogma.
(24:24):
So any system, whether it'slegal or like whatever
collective conditioning andtradition, family stuff, it can
all get dogmatic right.
So even the spiritual kind ofrealm can get that way.
And this is really what I thinkCarrie and I have been
discussing recently is that wehave a bit of an aversion to.
(24:49):
Is that, like in the spiritualworld, it's kind of a new set of
rules and dogma that tell uswhat we're supposed to be and
how we're supposed to live orsupposed to believe, and we're
kind of both.
At the point where we're overthat dynamic, we're more focused
on a commitment to presence andbeing responsive to life in
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this moment.
Like that's a big part of Ithink what this podcast is about
is stopping to challenge, wherewe just navigate from
reactivity, from some deep likeunconscious dogma that this is
just the way things work, andreally actually bringing full,
intentional and present, likecuriosity to life and and asking
(25:34):
like, like how, how can this bebetter?
Like, how, how am I limitingmyself?
What do I want to create here?
And just really being alive inthe moment and this again has to
do with their relationship tomoney, parenting, business,
friendship, whatever you name it, going to the fricking grocery
store, it doesn't matter beingpresent and responsive to life
(25:57):
instead of, like, getting stuckin some autopilot reaction to
the way things are happening.
Keri (26:05):
I think one of the things you just said there, jamie, I
want to like really enforce, isthat a lot of what we're going
to talk about is the fact that,whilst we're going to have all
these conversations, rememberwe're two moms doing life Like
we're just two normal womendoing life, and the way that we
invite you into this world is tolook at like life itself can be
(26:26):
its own amazing, pleasurefilled, joy filled experience.
Going to the supermarket can bea pleasure filled, joy filled
experience.
Right, we're not asking you togo out and have some crazy ass
life that you know doesn't seemrealistic.
It's a very real.
take the kids to school, do themake, the make the lunch, the
lunches, have dinner like it's avery real life, yeah yeah, yeah
(26:50):
in that we're going to start toreally challenge these dogmatic
norms in all the differentarenas and, uh, including, like
jamie just said, the spiritualcommunities, the goddess,
revolutions, polarity, dynamics.
You know, we've been throughall of this and it's again these
, these paradoxes, of which, yes, it's true, and yes, and yes,
(27:11):
and yes and um.
Also, for example, in thespiritual community, there's a
lot of talk about astrology,human design, gene keys, which
we freaking love love rightdepending on how you interact
with any of these frameworks,right, um, any of these
frameworks that we have in thisworld can look like a box and a
limitation, and can also beexpansion, and so there are many
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ways that we're going to helpyou to expand through this, but
also realize that it's yourchoice how you want to interact
with any of them, and don't letany box be a limitation for your
life.
Really allow it to be anexpansion.
Bring any of these ideas thatwe bring to you.
If they're not expanding you,then you know you don't have to
(27:53):
take them on.
Jamy (27:54):
Yeah, true, I love your analogy of like a coat.
Keri (27:58):
Ah, yes, I always say that when I talk about human design,
I'm always like wear it, put iton like a coat.
You can always take it off,just try this.
And any of these conversationsthat we have with you, whether
it's human design or sexualityor blowjobs or money things,
whatever we're going to talkabout, because we got it all
going on right.
Whatever we, whatever we inviteyou into, we invite you to like
(28:19):
, put it on like a coat, liketry it on and see if it works.
If it doesn't work, you canfeel free to take it off and
leave it at the door the nexttime.
Right, you can just play withit.
Jamy (28:27):
Yeah, there is room to disagree here.
In fact, carrie and I disagreeon a lot of things, I mean like
the.
The thing we agree on, though,is the respect to leave room for
that Right Like we we, wereally value the.
It's like unique, individuatedperspectives.
That's what makes life and theworld and humanity interesting.
(28:48):
It's interesting, you know,that we call this redefining
normal, because normal really iskind of an illusion.
You know, it's like if you'renormal, it means you're
conforming to everybody aroundyou and you're not being your
authentic, unique essence, andwe need more people to be that
in the world.
Keri (29:07):
So yeah, speaking of human design, I think it's important
that we mention I'm a manifester.
Jamie is a generator.
You'll hear this in ourexperiences.
You'll hear this between us.
If you actually understandhuman design, you'll probably
actually hear it in theconversations.
By the way, jamie fullyactually had this all ready for
us to go for the intro becauseher and her like genius of
(29:30):
putting things together step bystep Thank you, jamie.
I bring the, I bring the ideas.
Jamie starts to put thingstogether step by step.
We work really well togetherand I think this is part of the
fun of playing into some ofthese experiences is really
knowing where people's strengthsare and how you can actually
show up in a relationship,knowing your strengths and being
able to lean into each other'sstrengths and letting it be the
(29:54):
flow that gets to happen becauseof knowing these types of
things.
Jamy (29:58):
Right, it's been huge, I think, to an untangling
conditioning.
It's like this is the way I'msupposed to be and then
oftentimes people will learn thehuman design and be like, oh,
that's not the way I'm built.
So I've been trying to workagainst my nature to be
something according to someoneelse's expectations and now I
have the almost permission andfreedom to actually be what I
(30:21):
truly feel is innate to me.
And, yeah, these systems havelike radically redefined and
changed the way I parent, theway I relate to my husband,
understanding the way he's built.
Carrie, you know, it's like whenyou understand these things
again, we use them not as a box.
We do not define people by them.
(30:42):
We use it as a framework to getcurious about what resonates
and what works.
It's an experiment really.
You know.
It's like you try things on,you see what works, you see what
doesn't and you know evenbeyond, like the structures
themselves, we're all uniquebeings.
It's different for all of us.
So, like continuing the analogyof a coat you can put it on and
(31:05):
see if it feels good and if youlike it.
And then you know me with mylike, aesthetics and my design
and beauty stuff.
You can style the same coatlots of different ways.
You know, carrie and I willwear an outfit differently, so
it's the same with these systems, we're all going to make it our
own and it's so important tooccupy your own space and your
(31:31):
own, knowing your own innerwisdom.
Keri (31:34):
And your own unique gifts.
Jamy (31:35):
Yes.
Keri (31:36):
Totally, yeah, great.
So this is our introduction toredefining normal and a really
general idea of what we arecreating here, who we are, what
we're bringing to the world.
We are creating here, who weare, what we're bringing to the
world.
Our mischievous nature totallyfuels our desire to explore the
unknown, break through theboundaries and create a world
that resonates with our deepestvalues of authenticity and
innovation.
So we will be making, we willhave discussions around
(31:59):
everything from how to make timeand space for a hot sex life,
full parenting, to our humandesign, gene keys, sole purpose
work, dating, self-reflection,money.
What other things do we talkabout?
I mean, we have so many amazingconversations We've been just
talking about some like breakingfree of governmental things
that you guys, we are going togo the whole road here.
(32:21):
There's not like and to behonest, this is the intro.
But, to be honest, if there'sanything that you were curious
about, that, as you, as we starthaving these conversations and
you're like, I want to know moreabout that.
We really invite all of ourlisteners to be able to
communicate.
We really want to engage withyou guys.
So please reach out to us, letus know.
Is there a topic that you'relike oh my God, this is
(32:41):
something that's really in myheart right now and I don't know
what to do to move through this, or this is something that I'm
really confused about.
Or I'm living in these twoparadoxes, or I'm stuck, or
whatever, and you're looking toget outside your box.
Please reach out, let us know,because we really are here to
have these taboo conversations,and why we call this.
To me, redefining normal is tomake these taboo conversations
(33:02):
normal, and I can tell you thatthere's some things that are
coming up that I'm like are wereally having this conversation,
jamie?
Oh my God, really we're doingthis and I'm like, and she's
like isn't that the whole point,carrie, just wait guys, these
episodes are Fire.
There's some fire coming.
Yeah, they're juicy, quiteliterally.
So, yeah, so we really areabout having these taboo
(33:29):
conversations and making themvery normal, and so if there's
anything for you that feelstaboo and you want to hear us
talk about it, please do reachout and um and ask us.
Jamy (33:36):
Yeah, and we will.
We'll share a lot ofperspectives, ideas, beliefs,
like we're gonna.
We're gonna bring ourselves tothe table, but we will always
point you back to yourself.
Yeah, so as you're listening,it's like take a minute to
consider new possibilities, takewhat serves you and leave the
rest.
Like the world really does needmore unique and authentic
(33:57):
expression and we celebrate allof it.
So it's like, together wereally want to embrace all of
our unique perspectives andcelebrate our rebellious spirit,
knowing that true project,progress, this, this like
expansion and change andevolution, it comes from daring
to be different, to notaccommodate and just fit into
(34:17):
the norm.
So we really do invite you tojoin us on this journey of
self-discovery, transformation,limitless possibility.
Welcome to the tribe of cheekychange makers, where curiosity
meets courage and freedom meetsfun.
Keri (34:34):
Yes, thank you so much for listening in supporting us on
this big passion project andthis soul mission work.
We are so excited to bringthese fun and deep conversations
to all of you and we're reallyexcited to have you listen in
and connect with us throughoutthis next series of
conversations that go on for aslong as they go on, for Thank
you for being here.
Jamy (34:55):
Thank you.
Thank you.
See you on the next episode.
If you enjoyed this show, letus know.
We're all about authenticconnections, so come chat with
us on social media or email.
Links are listed in the shownotes.
Keri (35:09):
And please make sure to subscribe to the podcast on your
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