EPISODE 34: Discussing Miami's Business Evolution and Modern-Day Parenting Struggles

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Ever wonder what happens when New Yorkers start flowing into Miami? We're stirring up a vibrant discussion on the changes shaping the Miami business culture due to the influx of individuals from diverse backgrounds. With perspectives ranging from the political to the educational, we navigate the new dynamics redefining the city's landscape. We’ll delve into the remarkable story of Griffin from The Citadel offering schools a whopping 30 million dollars for his employees' children to get a foot through their doors.

As we switch gears, we'll reflect on summer, sports, and the Snow White narrative. We contrast summer experiences in Pennsylvania and Miami, weigh the pros and cons of introducing synthetic adversity through sports, and discuss the refreshing storyline of the new Snow White movie. But that’s not all. We also discuss the language we use to describe our kids and its impact.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I hear this guy and he's on the phone.
He's clearly on the phone withhis wife, you know, and he's
arguing about something.
And he hangs up and he looks athis son and the kid's there.
The kid looks up at him and hesays son, I'll tell you
something right now.
Don't try to understand women.
Women understand women.
That's why they hate each other.
["hate Each Other"].
["hate Each Other"].

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Episode 34, I actually remembered, man, I
can't get over this.
I would be lying if I tell youI didn't put thought now.
So I love these podcasts, likewhen we're here, we're fun,
right, but these fucking camerasstress me out, man, like it's.
Like you know, your wife hasthat mirror that you can see
everything you have a sweetblackhead.

(00:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy and I'mshiny as hell.
Right now I'm not even sweating, but I'm shiny.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
It makes you think about it.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
So Richard let me ask you a question, man.
So we grew up in Miami, right,we grew up in Miami business, we
grew up in the real estateindustry, in business.
You know, I even tested it theother day we could get with two
phone calls, we could get toanybody in Florida, pretty much
that, fair to say, definitely inMiami, definitely in South

(01:17):
Florida, definitely in Miami,definitely in South Florida.
Usually one right, yeah.
So we've grown up in thisbusiness, we've done everything.
Are you not?
Even are you concerned aboutthese New Yorkers, these
California guys moving in, youknow, and changing the dynamic?
We got a lot of these biggercompanies moving in now, right,

(01:39):
I also think that.
I also think that we're almostthe new New York.
You know, they always said ifyou can make it in New York, you
can make it anywhere.
Motherfucker.
Let me tell you something.
Man Coming to Miami, wherethere's 35 different cultures
yeah right, I describe so whatpeople don't understand.
Like someone, I'm trying toexplain the Miami business

(02:00):
culture to people, so I'm likeimagine a place where there's
people from every broken countryyou can possibly imagine.
Yeah Right, anytime there's apolitical coup, what does Trump
call him?
Shithole country Shitholecountry right yeah that's our
boy, trump, right?
So I don't get out of the fanof the guy, but you gotta you

(02:21):
know that's funny.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
No, that's funny, he's very funny.
I mean, he's incredibly funny.
Funny, funny, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
So.
But I mean, you know if there'sa political coup in Columbia?
If there's, you know whereverthe hell people are running, and
I'm hearing Ukrainians arecoming.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Oh yeah, I mean, they're North Miami yeah, north
Miami, I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
So imagine a culture where everybody's coming from
every broken country Venezuela,colombia, this and that.
What they don't understand isthat they come from like New
York and California, where acontract is a contract, where to
a place where a contract isjust a mild suggestion.
Yeah, like the pirate code.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Of whatever their guidelines.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Of whatever should happen.
You know what I mean.
Like it's so doing a deal andwith people that have no respect
for the law whatsoever becausethey're not supposed to, because
, well, they're supposed to,they're just not used to it.
Well, right, because in theircountry they're just, it's just
okay, there's a contract orthere's a police.

(03:22):
Dude, I've been to thesecountries.
You don't get a ticket, you paythe police officer off.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Like you want a ticket, or you want to pay, you
want to take it, you know, soit's a culture of, like,
corruption, of corruption, rightCulture of corruption.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
So we're already that .
Now you add to that the NewYorkers and their political
leanings right, because thereason why we are doing
Florida's doing as well as it isand I don't give a, you know I
try not to get us political here, but it is what it is DeSantis
is the reason why.
Is he perfect?
No, is there issues that wehave that we need to take care
of, like the insurance one,which is a major issue?

(03:58):
Yes, but I mean we're doing aswell as we're doing because of
the way, you know, our politicswere structured by him and
everything.
And are these New Yorkers goingto turn this into like?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
you know, no, no, no, because there isn't sufficient
density of them.
I don't think there isn'tenough of them, but I do agree
with you that.
So look, if you have enoughmoney, right, take Griffin from.
You know the Citadel guy comesfrom.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Chicago Right, that's one right, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I mean I heard this wild story there.
I don't know if it's true, butit sounds good.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Where he gave it should be true.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
It is not a should be Right right and I think it's
true, where he gave, he offeredlike a few schools 30 million
bucks so that they would takehis employees' children into the
schools.
Okay, and I think, like Ransomsaid no.
And I think why would they sayno?
Well, because, you know, theydidn't feel like they needed it,
I guess.
So, so Ransom said no and Ithink so.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Ransom for our Australian fans and fans from
other places.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
It's one of the finest private schools, is it?
The school Could be RansomEverglades, I mean there's a few
that are like the so RansomEverglades, just so you guys
know, to give you a littlecontext.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
So when I first went there, I went there for a
basketball game, right, I wasnot in Ransom Everglades, I was
in the opposite of RansomEverglades, right?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
And I show up.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I show up for a basketball game there and I
remember I will never Looks likean Apple store.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
I will never, I mean it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I will never forget the day I walked into Ransom
Everglades.
So much so that from that, fromthen on, when I had a date, I
would take them to ransomEverglades, like I was, like I
just saw the most beautifulplace.
I needed to take girls there tosee it.
Like it was just.
I couldn't believe it.
Strange, I mean pretty placebut strange.

(05:41):
Well, you need a quiet place tobe with your lady and you want
an ocean view.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Ocean view.
Ocean view school withsailboats man.
The football field leads on tothe bay Like they kick it into
the water.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right, that's an issue.
I mean, there used to be a kidback there.
That was back in the boatgetting the football Right, so
it's on the bay.
So if the football goes intothe water, there's an actual kid
from the sailing team that goesout there and gets it.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's amazing, so anyway, so ransom
said no, and I think maybeCarrollton said no as well, but
Gulliver ended up taking it.
So I mean Gulliver's, they'reunder construction.
I mean building new campuses.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Did you get that from the source that I think you got
it from?

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Our boy uh.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
No, no, no, no, no no .

Speaker 1 (06:18):
No, but he does.
It was funny.
I was with him yesterday whenwe were talking about how the
high school is getting a newcampus.
I mean it's going to bespectacular.
So, but when you have, when youhave enough money, okay, I
don't think there are realbarriers to entry.
Okay, so, like Mr Griffin ishere and we're welcoming him and
we love to have him in Florida,and the reality of the matter
is that his you know, hislearning curve isn't you know?

(06:41):
I mean, come on, he's KenGriffin of Citadel.
Now I can tell you that I haveNew Yorker friends and in fact
they're, you know, quasibusiness partners that they have
had like a shock, you know,like they thought they were
going to get here and operatelike New York and that this was
New York.
And I got New York friends andmy New York this and New York
that, and they've taken abeating and they concede they're

(07:03):
like, hey, you know, it's adifferent world down here.
Number one the quality ofpeople, quite frankly, of the
work that they do.
So I have doctors that friendsthat came from New York and
they're shocked about how poor,by comparison, our medical care
is.
Like you know, this one guy heshall remain nameless, was like
I'm in the hospital and they'rekilling people.
I mean it's crazy, bro, they'llkill you here, you know.

(07:25):
And so now you think about thecare that we have in comparison
to some of these brokencountries, and you know, people
come from those countries toMiami.
So you know, like, in thatsense, we're, you know,
everything is relative, but yeah, I mean, it's a.
I don't think they're going tochange the dynamic, I don't
think there's enough of them.
We welcome them here.
I'll tell you what has changedthe price of amenities.

(07:47):
Okay, so, like all the clubsdown here, all the private clubs
Lagorse, riviera, ocean Reef,these places, indian Creek.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
But it has to do with that, or it has to do with just
that.
Everything's double.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
No well, everything is certainly more expensive.
But what happens is that, likeyou know, before when you were
at these places, there was, youknow, fees, annual fees and
things like that weren't alwaysgoing up, maybe the initiation
fees, what you got to pay to getin, but what you pay once
you're there, those weren'trising aesthetically.
But now what happens is they'repricing out people that have

(08:19):
been there for 30 years becauseit's like, oh, we don't want to
pay 20 grand a year in dues andit's like, really, because the
New Yorkers think that that'sincredibly cheap.
They're used to paying 250grand a year.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Well, that's what's happening to real estate too,
right?
Right, I mean as a whole, samething, same thing, same concept.
So I think in that sense thatchanges.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
The restaurant scene has certainly gotten a lot
better.
A lot of these big New Yorkgroups have opened restaurants.
Here I mean just major foodgroup alone, you know there's a
bunch of new high-endrestaurants.
Thomas Keller literally justopened the new place in Coral
Gables at the La Palma building.
So in the past four years alonethe saturation of quality

(08:58):
luxury living dynamics hasgotten much better and I think
that's because real money hascome in from these places New
York, chicago, california andyou know.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
So you're saying that the saturation of them is not
enough, and maybe that the andnow we also got to use a little
bit of common sense there andsay, look, those guys are
running away from that.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Right right.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's gonna be a while before they start turning back
into that.
And I mean look there's a andthere might not have never been
that Right right?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Usually those guys are not.
And again, remember, everythingis, you know, the majority
rules in a way, and especiallyon these social justice and type
issues.
I mean, I think there are threereasons why Florida has really
benefited since COVID and one ofthem is of course, the governor
and the governor's policy.
And you know we made a hat.
It was very funny, you knowthat is a hat that says you know

(09:49):
Florida, and then it says opensense the whole fucking time.
You know and-.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Are you okay with the waters man, please?
I'm sorry, man.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
That's.
It's funny and it's accurate.
So we also.
The weather, okay, is a bigmotivator here, believe it or
not, although once they get hitby a hurricane, you know they
kind of hesitate, but here's butyou know what else?
A big one.
No state income tax, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
But let me tell you something about the weather.
I think that those guys theydon't.
So I go to as you know, I go toPennsylvania a lot, right?
So these Pennsylvania guys arealways talking oh, I want to go
to Miami, I want to go to Miami,I want to go to Miami, you know
so.
So much so that we just had 30of them come down for like a
wrestling camp that we wouldusually go up there, and they
came down here.
But so I've been over there forthe summer.

(10:31):
That's beautiful weather.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
I mean it's 70s, I know man, but that's three
months out of the year.
Nine months out of the yearthey're getting their ass kicked
.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
But that's what they think summer is is what I've
realized.
Oh yeah, they come over hereand their assholes are sweating.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I mean, you know what I'm saying.
It's like it's 7am.
Why is it 95 degrees?
Why?

Speaker 2 (10:49):
am I sweating?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
on the way to my car at 7am.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
So their concept of summer is a little bit off.
And when they get there andthey get hit with the real
summer, it's like it's funny.
Summer here hurts man when wetalk about that.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
It's just more of a reminder of, like where we grew
up and where we're from, whichis like not you know I joke
about it with Rodney now thatlike for people that the word
summer is a verb you know, whenit's like where do you summer?
I used to summer at fuckingContinental Park and we had a
slip and slide and we playedbasketball.

(11:24):
But the fact of the matter isthat you know, the snowbirds,
they got it right.
I mean, down at Ocean Reef,which is, by the way, is a place
here.
It's beautiful golf courses,you name it, pools and you know
now it's like they're dead.
They're dead time Right.
So you know, now it's like whenthey're happy to have the
people from Miami there.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Thank you, Melanie.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Thank you so much, appreciate it.
The fact of the matter is thatyou know the snowbirds, as they
call them.
They go back up north, you know, during when the weather's
beautiful up there.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, they got it right.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
they got it right, you know and then they come down
here when the weather'shorrific over there, that's
right, but summer's not summer,right?

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I mean like sorry, when they come over here it's
for the winter, it's basically asummer.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Right, that's exactly right, and that's the beauty of
it.
Of course, our summers arepainful and they're very hot,
but it's you know, four monthsout of the year, and then the
rest you have temperate climate.
Yeah, you know.
So it's like you're doingbetter.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
You know, at 70, 80% of the time You're 60 degrees
here and you go outside and yougo to the office and it's like,
it's like you see the women withthe high boots.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
The hugs right.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, the scarves, yeah, the ear muffs.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
And you can still buy 11 in the morning.
It's 80.
Right, right, right right.
So you know that's it's morning.
Winter lasts hours.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah morning, winter wear, yeah, so
let me ask you a question.
So you're, how is it being?
Because I'm enjoying the yourtransition into being a sports
dad, right.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Wonderful.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's fun.
Huh yeah, it's cool.
It's cool stuff, it's the best.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
You know, man, one thing I youknow, you and I have had.
I'm sure we had theseconversations before but my take
on sports is that if you'redoing okay financially and you
know, and you have the abilityto have your kid go through life

(13:08):
without any adversitywhatsoever, that's not
necessarily a good thing.
A kid not having any adversityis.
It's even psychologists evensay that your brain does not
like your brain is meant tohandle through, through.
You know growing and everythingis.

(13:28):
It's supposed to handle acertain amount of adversity to
develop correctly.
So I got some friends that youknow we go back and forth on it
Cause I mean I got one inparticular.
It's a little bit of an extreme.
It's like I mean his whole jobis to make sure that his kids
have zero adversity, justgrowing up.
Right, I mean zero.

(13:49):
Are you preparing, you know?
Are you preparing somebody forlife?
You know, and I think thatsports is what I call synthetic
adversity.
Yeah Right, it is tears, it isjoy, it is.
You know, it is.
You know this person beat metoday, especially in these.
You know team sports a littlebit less and you know I grew up

(14:10):
playing team sports and I got alittle bit of understanding of
it, of working hard andeverything.
But you know my kids are bothmy son Russell's and my
daughters, and tennis and man.
What you know at six, sevenyears old, you know crying for
hours cause you lost and thenand then working hard for three,

(14:30):
four, five months with you knowa person's picture in your room
.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
And chasing them, you know, and actually going and
beating them you know, at thehighest stage in youth sports.
You know it builds somethinginto that.
That shit I didn't have.
You know what I mean.
Like well, cause, that's causewe had real adversity, right.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
I mean, yeah, I was gonna say I'm pretty sure I had
some adversity, but I meanadversity, but I mean listen, I
was blessed to growing up, butsports is incredibly important.
You know psychology and thingslike that is not something I
know a lot about.
You're listening out there forthose of you who think I know
everything think that I think Iknow everything.

(15:10):
I don't know a lot aboutpsychology and things like that,
but it seems right.
I mean it's definitely, youknow, a life experience.
I mean you gotta if you, if younever lose, you have no idea
how good it is to win.
You know so and that's the samewith everything else.
You know if you struggle, thenwhen you have good times you're
able to kind of understand howgood the good times are and what

(15:31):
bad times are.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
But that's the thing like in our kids' lives.
You know, and I get criticizedsometimes by some of my friends
and you know, as far as you know, how hard we go at it.
Yeah, even me.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Right, well, not anymore, not anymore, no, not
anymore.
At the beginning you did.
You know what was your saying.
No semblance of a normalchildhood.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
So Richard and I's friendship.
You know, here we're veryfiltered with each other right
now, right, but in our regularlives there's zero filter.
So we were at a thing at youroffice or something and I took
my son and he introduces me andhe introduces my son and he goes
by the way that kid, he hasnothing that even remotely
resembles a normal life.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
A normal childhood.
Yeah, yeah, poor kid which, bythe way, childhood, you know, is
a relatively new concept.
It's.
It's pretty fascinating cause,you know, like baby clothes and
all that, like that's allrelatively new.
If you look at photos of likethe 1800s 17, you know, like
when cameras were, you know,could just kind of came out
family.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Everybody does the same type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Right, there were like little adult clothes, you
know so, and you know they werebasically children, were a good
way to kind of like build upyour employee coffers, you know,
like they worked, they workedthe family business, they worked
the farms, you know.
But now this notion of concept,and you know, of childhood and
child labor laws, I mean theseare all relatively new and

(17:02):
primarily in the United States.
I mean, as we know, in othercountries they're not nearly as
sensitive to the needs ofchildren.
Kids work right away, you know.
So I mean they don't let adultssuffer adversity here to these.
Really.
I mean people suffer it, but manit's like you're not allowed to
have anxiety.
Now, If you have anxiety, we'regonna give you a pill for it.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I mean it's crazy.
I tell my son all the time likeI don't.
From early age I don't have amemory of going to school and
not being worried about gettingin a fight, I mean about there's
somebody there that I mighthave an issue with at some point
.
There's, you know, there's theyou know, and that's the thing.

(17:44):
That's what leads me to thatLike and that's one of the other
questions that you know you andI talk about you know privately
, you know private school versuspublic school you know, so, um,
my, my, and again, you know,for all you feminists out there,
here's some real goodconversation for you guys.

(18:05):
Different, is it different toraise a boy than it is to raise
a girl?
Do you go a little harder?
Of course, it's different,right, you know what I'm saying.
Like the girl's allowed to be aprincess and a little bit more
protected, and you know.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
And the boy so is public school and, by the way,
all the feminists are hatingthat word right now, your use of
the word princess.
Oh right, it's like offensive?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
No, and I assign gender to that.
Yeah, right, are you crazy?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Have you seen the girl that's gonna be the new
Snow White?
No, oh my God, she's getting ahuge beating.
We routinely talk about DisneyI happen to be a fan of Disney,
okay, and you know I don't thinkthey're the devil, but I
certainly disagree with some ofthe things they've been doing.
But anyway, that's anotherconversation.
But the girl that they're aboutto remake Snow White there are

(18:49):
no dwarves, of course, becausethat's offensive, even if you
call them dwarves in that image.
No, no, they're not.
No, that dwarf is like a badword.
Dwarf is not a bad word to sayyeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so you
don't wanna say that, but sothere are no dwarves.
I think there's maybe oneperson who's not very tall and
then vertically challenged, likeme and the new Snow White.

(19:13):
She apparently is not a fan ofthe original Snow White, or at
least that's what they say abouther, that she hates Snow White,
and she did this interview onthe red carpet and they were
like oh the actual actress.
The actual actress is gonna doit.
And she was on a red carpet orsomething.
She was being interviewed andthey asked her they're like oh,
what do you think of?
Tell us about your characterand this and that?
And she was like, well, it'snot 1933, okay, so she's not

(19:35):
waiting on the prince to rescueher or anything else, and it's
gonna be about how she takescharge of her, which, by the way
, listen, I have a daughter.
So in a way, I love that right,like, in a way, I'm like, okay,
this is great, and she doesn'thave to wait for the man to
rescue her.
That's of course.
Of course, that's common sense.
But I just wanted to point outthat your use of the word

(19:57):
princess is problematic.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah, so listen, don't get me, you know, don't
get me cranking, brother.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I'm just saying you know what buttons to push, I'm
just.
I'm just If anybody knows whatbuttons to push, is you?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
So?
My whole thing is this right?
Our Jordan Peterson said acouple.
He said one thing.
He says a lot of things that Ireally agree with.
But you know, one of the thingsis that we our soul not soul
but our most important job asparents is to make sure our kids
are liked right, that they'relikable.

(20:32):
Yeah Right, have you.
You know, and in my world I see, you know, we're traveling the
country and going to thesetournaments and everything.
And then there's both sidesthey're like dude, this dad's
real cool and this kid's a dick.
And then there's like the viceversa.
You know what I mean, dude, thekid's such a nice kid I can't
believe that.
Assholes is that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know whatI mean.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
So our job, you know if people have that with me,
they see my daughter and she'slike such a sweet little girl,
and then you, and then it's likemy God, send me to the
sweetheart too Right, that's it.
Listen, I only look stupid.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
So, so, so you know.
So again, kids are.
If we go with that concept,that look, our job is to make
sure that our kids are likable,but is it also that our kids can
flourish and communicate withany social group per se, right?

(21:28):
So is it going full private,top of the school, top of the
line schools, right?
Just as extreme as goingthrough the worst schools, where
you know, let's not call it aculture of winning, it's a
culture it's a whole differentculture of survival.
Culture of survival.
You know, more single parents,more crime, more drugs.

(21:54):
Well, more drugs is depends onwho you ask, right, better drugs
?

Speaker 1 (22:00):
There's plenty of drugs at private school, I think
.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
So is.
Should we think about it as abalance, right?
Should we?
And again, let's say I'mtalking to you as, let's take
your daughter out of it.
Let's say you have a son, right, do you go a little bit half
and half Do you want him to goto?
You know, look at, and a friendof mine brought something up.

(22:24):
He's like, so what do you wantyour kid to do?
I'm like, well, I want him tohave his own company, and you
know, okay, so who would be hisemployees?
Be, right, right, I mean, doyou need to be able to come in?
And you know, listen, man, I'verealized that you know extreme

(22:46):
wealth.
It's almost a differentlanguage.
At some point, of course, youknow you're the clothes you wear
, everything.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Right, the people you're around, the things you do
, I mean it's it's it's, it's,you know.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
You almost communicate without communicate.
You know what I mean.
You could tell by what a guy'swearing you know, everything, I
think, is a balance.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
I mean, look, kids have to have adversity.
I mean, first of all, I'm afirm believer in the fact that
there is not really a levelplaying field.
Okay, I mean, there's just not.
We got friends in our group offriends that we that we have the
chat every day.
That one of them was now.
He moved to a different schoolnow but one of them was a

(23:25):
teacher at a school that's, youknow, let's call it a survival
culture school and he was therefor years and the stories the
guy would tell us about whatthose kids go through on a daily
basis.
I mean, it's just not the sameenvironment.
Can you make it?
And do many of those kids makeit?
They do, but those are oddsbeaters, yeah, okay.
Whereas you know You're bornwith a special something inside

(23:47):
Right, right, those are oddsbeaters, because it's like
anything else, man, you know, ifyou're always in a place and
it's cold and it's damp and youdon't have the right, you know
clothing and you don't.
You know you're, you're, you'realways hungry.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
You know what your parents are giving you?
The wrong message.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah, I mean that's, that's, that's gonna be hard and
it's harder.
You're stacking the chips, youknow.
And then you go to a placewhere everything is reassuring,
Everything's beautiful foreverything state of the art, you
know, and you have all theright kinds of support.
The parents are involvedbecause they have time to be
involved.
Yeah Right, you know, like yougot four room moms, like per
grade, you know where, like mydaughter goes to school, there's
like a room mom, there's like acommittee of room moms and it's

(24:21):
like they do a birthday partyand it's like they worry about
you know, are you right?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
They just fucking fleet of helicopters.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Are you?
Are you bringing in, you know,no nuts please?
And it's like no nuts.
And the other place was like isthis food Right?
It's just fucking amazing kids.
They're one for the teacher,you know.
So it's, it's everything.
Everything is relative, so ofcourse there should be some
balance.
You know what I think thebeauty of sports, especially for
the kids that are, let's callit, you know, like Silver Spoon,
has a negative connotation, butfor the kids that have it

(24:48):
better, let's say, sports isgood, because losing sucks for
everybody, you know, and youtypically play against kids that
come from the survival typeschools and those kids, you know
, typically oh, they're on yourteam.
Yeah, they're on your team too,and so you know, you, you kind
of by putting them in that, inthat situation, they get exposed
to, I think, more a biggervariety of what life is really

(25:09):
like, and that's valuable, youknow.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
It's like you see, some of the most fucked up
people I've met come from thehigher society.
Of course, Parents weren'tthere.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you that sentme that thing the other day.
That that the only one that'sgoing to remember you working
late late nights Is your kids?

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, killed me, killed me, the only one that's
going to remember you workinglate.
In 20 years, in 20 years, in 20years.
The only people that'llremember you working late was
your kids.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's a real one right
there.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
That's the balance for us too.
I mean, you know, like it's,listen, I like nice things, I
want to have nice things, I wantto be able to do the things
that you know some of myrelatives and the people I work
for do, and I see that, and it'svery difficult to be around
them.
There really is something to besaid for that cliche of keeping
up with the Joneses.
You know, like I neverunderstood.
20 years ago I didn't reallyunderstand that phrase, Cause I

(25:59):
didn't know any Joneses.
Well, you hadn't met anyJoneses.
Right, I was about to say Ididn't know any Joneses.
But now that I know, a bunch ofJoneses.
I just surrounded my Joneses,I'm like God damn, I'm so far
you know, I wake up in themorning and it's like I'm far
away.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
We were talking about that just a couple days ago.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Like, oh, I gotta remember my name's.
I'm closer to Martinez than Iam to Jonesy, you know so, so
it's hard, it's hard, but butyou know, look and we were
talking about it a minute ago,about what the kids can and
can't do nowadays it was a greatmovie called the Goonies.
I don't know if you've everseen it.
Yeah, of course it's in thefucking 80s classic.
How fucking dare you ask meabout the Goonies.
I mean, I don't know, bro Didyou have a TV.

(26:31):
I keep hearing the story aboutthe Rip Sneakers bro.
So yeah, no, it was Blue Pumosbro.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Somebody got a lot of peoplegot their asses kicked because
those Pumas.
I thought you had air.
They were air conditioned,Listen man, so so literally a
lot of people got their asseskicked for those cause.
Making fun of me with thosePumas.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
So so we're watching the Goonies recently and I'll
never forget that when the movieended, one of like the biggest
takeaways that my kid had wasthat she was like where were the
parents this whole time, Right,you know?
And it was like what do youmean?
The dad was like working andshe was like no, no, no, Because
you know, like the kids arerunning around, bro, Like
they're on their bikes, isn'tthat?

(27:07):
They're gone for like hours onend?
Right?
No cell phones.
You know, like in our day, dude, we got on the bike and,
fucking, we drove around.
It's not hours, I'm sure thereare places in the United States.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Wake up in the morning and haul ass.
Don't come back without a cellphone and a tracker Right, right
, like just go and ride all day.
Be home before dark.
Be home before dark.
Be home before dark.
Dude right.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
And, by the way, I'm certain that there are still
places in the United Stateswhere you can do that.
And, by the way, that's great.
You know that's what it's like.
You know what's the guy?
Jason Aldean?
The guy got a horrible.
He almost got canceled recently.
Well, it depends.
Half the country elevated hismusic to the top of the charts
and the other country, like youknow, they've made voodoo dolls.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
One of the.
Try this in a small town, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
So look in small towns I'm sure they still have
more of that.
Okay, In Miami, personally,father of a little girl, my
daughter will never get on thebike and like go for a ride,
Like she's never going to go.
I'm going to ride to myfriend's house because you know
well, I'm a glass half empty guyby nature, you know, and I
watch way too much TV, I guess,and read the news, and she's

(28:13):
never going to do that.
If I had a son, it wouldprobably be a little easier to
let him do that.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
So let me tell you one thing that, like, did I send
you okay, did I send you thememe that we made of my son with
the egg in his hand?
I didn't send, I did no, youdidn't fucking pay attention to
it.
I'm like dude, you got to lookat this and you didn't pay
attention to it.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
You sent the love shit.
Oh wait, I do remember that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
So one of the beautiful things I love about
wrestling- oh yeah, One of thebeautiful things I love about
wrestling is that I go to placesthat I would never, ever have
an excuse to go to, right?
So I mean a barn in the middleof of Orban, ohio, you know what
I mean, like, like, or anotherfarm in, like Maryland, you know
.
So.
So what those kids do, that wewouldn't dare do our kids.

(28:57):
So I mean I get there and Ireally try.
I really understand the conceptthat we're we're just too
helicoptery, so I go out of myway to loosen up that
helicopteriness.
You know for a better term,right.
So when we get there, yeah, myson is squirrel hunting with my
fucking hillbilly buddies, youknow what I'm saying so.
I got pictures of him withsquirrels in a full camouflage

(29:20):
gear.
They're on their ATV and I'mlike fuck man, there's three of
them on an ATV with a fuckinggun in their hand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
The pothole and shit goes off.
You're right.
Yeah, exactly, so I mean I'myou know like they're in the
woods.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
and I remember one time I got there I'm like, hey,
where's the lodge?
I'm like, oh, I don't know, andhe's back there somewhere.
And back there somewhere isjust a yeah, you look back.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Back there somewhere is a fucking field of forest.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
So and I'm like as loose as I'm trying to be.
I'm like, dude, where the fuckis he?
You know what I mean.
So now I'm like walking throughthe woods screaming, hey, you
know.
And then you know again, theycome all full of mud with a
couple squirrels in their handsand they're looking for deer.
And you know, like the huntingcult, we're not part of a
hunting culture at all.
Right, so I get a video.
I get a video from anotherbuddy of mine that were dove

(30:09):
hunting and it's, you know, hisson with a fucking shotgun, and
you know, and sending a video,hey, I'm dove hunting and
everything.
That's like a whole differentworld.
So I don't know about runningaround the streets, but there's
a whole world, as city slickersthat we are, that we don't know
exist.
So the funny thing is that thevideo that I sent that I sent

(30:29):
Richard was yeah, you know again, my son's never seen, you know,
like a chicken coop you knowwhat I mean.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
So now he's like yeah , this came out of the bird's
ass.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, no, no, he's like, he's like fuck.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I'm never eating eggs again.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, so he's asking his buddy, which you know we
call, you know he calls, theycall us derogatory Hispanic and
we call them derogatory.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
You know, hillbilly and this and that you know.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
So you know he's like he's asking, you know my son's
asking, you know his Hillbillybuddy.
Let's say you know, hey, is thelittle chickens?
The chickens come out of thisand he's holding an egg.
Yeah, and the face of his buddyis like what?
And we caught a picture of it.
He's like no asshole the storkbraids them and we made a meme
out of it.
So you know it's kind ofinteresting and another thing

(31:21):
that we have to deal with too,talking about letting the kids
go out and everything that wehave to deal with that you know
that our parents didn't have todeal with and everything, and is
a social media part of it.
Oh my God man.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
That's a scary part.
What a nightmare man.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's a scary part, right.
So you know, if you add, youknow, I heard the other day, and
I don't necessarily think it'strue, but it's easier to raise a
kid when you're broke, right.
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
No man, no way.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Well, hold on it's hard in different ways, dude,
but hold on.
So you know if you're raising akid in a 10,000 square foot
mansion versus, you know, a onebedroom apartment.
Are you closer together, right?

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Are you more in tune?
Yeah, you're so, on top of it,you probably fucking hate each
other.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Well, yeah, or you're just way closer right.
You know, like when you go to ahotel room, you know when you
stay at a hotel.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
You know what?
I'm willing to concede that Ithink richer kids can be more
awkward Like they In non-richsettings.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
If you take them out of veil, right.
If you take them out of the-.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Right, and even with their parents.
It's weird the interaction canbe.
I can't listen.
There are exceptions to everyrule, obviously.
On the show we recently talkedabout helox and it was probably
a home equity line of credit andwe were like, hey, you're not
technically, you're not reallysupposed to use it to go
traveling and shopping, and ofcourse there's exceptions to

(32:49):
every rule.
And some asshole was likethat's not true, it's a
portfolio product and you can,there's a bank that'll do it.
And it's like yeah, man, whatI'm saying is generally-.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Federally asshole.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Okay.
So there's an exception toevery rule.
Nothing in this life is 100%,except what they say.
Death and taxes, right, theonly two certainties.
So look, I see it on both sides.
It's gotta be harder to acertain extent, because you
can't.
They do leave the one, the 600square foot apartment, and they

(33:19):
go out, and they're inevitablygonna have friends that are
wealthier.
So in my family specifically,I'll give you an example I got a
bunch of older brothers.
One of them is a wildlysuccessful guy.
I'm talking jets, boats, planes, you know him.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
A huge pain in the ass.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, huge pain in the ass.
You call him my sister, right?
It's actually a great one, it'svery funny.
But then I have another brotherwho was more corporate America
type and, by the way, he's donevery well for himself, nice guy.
He's done very well for himself.
He has two daughters and Iremember that when they were
kids they would go and hang outwith my other brother's kids,
their cousins, and then they'dcome back and they'd say things
to my brother like, well, whycan't we do this and why can't

(33:54):
we do that?
And my brother would have totell them because we're not
Oscar, you know, we don't havethat kind of money, we don't do
that, you know.
And so that's got.
And, by the way, they wereliving in Coral Gables and going
to private school, like theydidn't have it bad.
It's like, trust me, you don'tknow, you have a fucking banana
hammock, you know, and it's likewhat's that?
It's like a hammock for yourbananas.

(34:14):
Trust me, not everybody has oneof those.
That's from a funny movie,actually, but it was really like
that.
But still so, that's gotta behard, that's gotta be taxing.
I sent you that video the otherday.
I know it killed me.
I was like who's cutting onions.
And there was this dad that itwas his daughter's birthday and
he couldn't afford a cake.
He could not afford a cake forhis daughter's birthday, but he

(34:36):
managed to get a slice of cake,okay, and so it's a video of him
coming into, like his 600square foot apartment that
looked like nine people lived init and he had the little candle
on the cake and the little girlbroke down crying.
It was like the greatest thingshe had ever seen.
It's gotta be very hard, so isit easier?
I don't know.
Might they be exposed to lessproblematic things?

(34:57):
Maybe at the same time, they'regonna have to suffer a higher
level of desperation, right?
So they?

Speaker 2 (35:03):
might-, but if we just discussed that, you need a
certain amount of adversity,right.
So we are who we are, right,you and I, which, as different
as we are, we're very, very,very similar, right?
As much as we argue.
I don't say we're different,but as much as we argue, which
is a lot.
I could tell you I'd argue withyou pretty much more than

(35:24):
anybody in my life period Can'teven ask for.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
tell me you.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
So, but we grew up kinda like I think our dads did
moms too, and everything rightbut I think of growing.
There's that famous picturethat I always bring up with you,
you know, in military fatigueright.
So there's a picture of Richard.
If he could send it to you, wecould put it up on the screen
right Of him.
I will, I'll send it it'spretty good, yeah, it's his dad

(35:49):
and Richard dressed in militaryfatigues.
Right, richard's climbing afucking rope, right, you know,
on a tree, right?
So you know we can't-.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, he'd open fire in the house too.
Right, right, so-.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Like at TVs and shit Right, so his dad was a unique,
absolutely very uniqueindividual, colorful, very
colorful, colorful character.
I mean, it's like you'resitting there and you're talking
to somebody out of a fuckingmovie.
You know what I mean.
So you know his desk had to beelevated so that everybody has
to like look up at him, right,so that everybody has to look up
at him.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Your neck was perpetually cocked in the upward
position.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Right, so his desk.
He purposely elevated his deskso when you would meet with him
you were kinda looking up andthe trinkets on his desk were
like a grenade.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Grenades.
I actually have the grenade inmy office, the one he put on his
desk.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
And the floor wasn't the floor.
Red Blood, red carpet.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
Blood red floor.
Right, you know, like crazy,right, it was like out of a He'd
sit there with his ring andjust-.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Right out of a movie, you know.
So we are.
Oh wow, another round of waters.
No, no, it's just coffee.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (37:03):
drinks oh, that's coffee.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Oh, thank you, Black.
Can I have it sorry?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Is that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Thank you for going of them beyond you know the call
of duty Above them beyond.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, what did I say Of the non?
Some shit.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Of the non beyond.
They're wrong and fastest onthe wrong syllable yeah, no, no,
nothing, just black.
So you know, if we're going, ifour job as parents is to raise,
is our job as humans right?
And specifically in today'ssociety where we want, it's fair

(37:39):
to say that the bar is setreally really low, right as far
as a person having, you know, acertain amount of mental
toughness and being able to gothrough adversity, mental
toughness, what's?

Speaker 1 (37:51):
that.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Right, so you know it's you know.
So, yeah, I think that they aperson who is below middle class
or close there.
You know, extreme, extremepoverty.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
They develop mental toughness.
I think more readily.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
More readily.
You know everything that's real.
You know synthetic and you know.
And we see it in the UFC.
I know you only watch.
I'm not even gonna go there, Iwas gonna start getting
political, but I'm gonna leaveit on.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
No, you were gonna be insulting to, you know, 300
million people right now.
That's okay.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Okay, so you know we gotta give views.
Somehow.
I only watch combat sports.
I only watch combat sports.
So a really interesting, uniquething is like when you see a
guy like a bow nickel, right,you have no idea how bow nickel
is.
You never even heard of the guy.
I have not, right.
So bow nickel is a blue chipbest wrestling pedigree you can

(38:45):
possibly imagine, but a kid whogrew up, you know, upper middle
class, went to the bestwrestling camps, you know, and
went to Penn State Universityand as decorated as a wrestler
as you can possibly imagine.
But he's fighting fucking rock,eating daggastanis, right, and

(39:07):
so technically, if you know,it's like the analogy of you
know, you're an alley catfighting a house cat, right,
right, yeah.
So the alley cat's gone througha lot of shits.
But now here's the issue now,both Nichols fucking them up,
right, and he's going tocontinue to do so, right, so
it's that.
It's that you know, if you, I'mgoing to.

(39:30):
That was the comparison ofsynthetic adversity versus real
adversity, right, I wonder howdifferent it is.
Everything synthetic is alittle bit, a little bit worse,
and everything like that.
But I wonder if we could createenough synthetic adversity so
that our kids can handlewhatever is coming, because
life's not easy.
No, Life's not easy.
No matter how good you do, nomatter, you got to be ready for

(39:51):
the toughness that it brings.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
And now you know, we know it's funny that you say
that, but it's like as timepasses and technology improves,
I mean a lot of the, the, thepurpose or the function of a lot
of the technology we use issupposed to make life easier.
You know, especially so likewhen you see, you know post
industrial revolution, and yousee, like the initial

(40:13):
commercials that would run forthings like a washing machine,
you know was fascinating or adishwasher, and it was like the
time you'll have to spend withyour family and friends because
you don't have to like go withthe fucking washboard and then
the clothes line and all thatand it's like, no, now you can
wash your clothes and you can.
you know you can dry yourclothes and it's all done and

(40:35):
bet much better quality in halfthe time.
But really society continues toget more complex and then
people suffer.
They have harder lives in otherways.
You know, like there's a guythat I know you love intensely
is a is actually a great lawyerin this town.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I know exactly who you're talking about.
I can't stand that guy.
I would love to get him on thepodcast.
Can we get that guy on thepodcast?
I?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
think we probably can .
I'll ask him Jesus.
He's an exceptional lawyer andhe's an excellent writer.
I don't agree with anything.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
That guy says yeah, period, end of story.
So I would love to get that guyon the podcast.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
And, by the way, the guy concentrates on being
polarizing.
Okay, that's his gig, but he'svery good at writing and I'll
never forget that he once wrotethis article about the
challenges of as you get olderas a lawyer, and it's that you
know there were.
I remember there were likethree or four things that made
life very hard, and one of themis that as you get older, the
demands on your time from yourfamily increase.

(41:29):
So you know, theoretically ortypically, when you're a young
lawyer and you start your career, you either are not married or
you might not be married, or, ifyou're married, maybe you don't
have kids.
So, like your family demandsare a lot less.
And that coincides with a timein your career where you're less
valuable.
Right, you don't?
You're not billing at $1,000 anhour in your first, your first

(41:49):
year at a law school.
So what happens is that as timegoes by, the family makes
greater demands on your time butat the same time, there are
greater demands on youfinancially.
Now you have to provide forkids, now you have to.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
You know things like that and people are paying more
for your time.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Right.
And so it gets harder becauseit's like what do you do, you
know?
Do you spend more time workingso you can provide, or do you
spend more time with your family, which obviously then takes
away from what you can provide?
So hard balance, you know yeah,I mean that's the whole thing
that that's and you know, Ithink that's been the theme of
today's show is that the balancefor kids.
There's a balance.
Like you know, I don't want mykid to suffer disproportionately

(42:23):
, but but she has to sufferenough so that she understands
what it is Well, the blessingsshe has Well, and that's why I
brought up social media.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
You and I have a very I can't think of many people
that have the same understandingof the importance of of a.
There's a Cuban word for it,called Tawla.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Oh it's so great Right Tawla is.
I wish there was a directtranslation.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
There isn't but the, the, the, the specific
translation would be like, like,like.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Constitution Right no , no, no I know, but it like the
, the, the, the actual oh yeah,literal translation would be
board board board right, and wedon't mean not B O R E D Right,
Like actual board board B O B OA R D.
So I remember lessons, but holdon, you got to tell them what
it means.
Tawla means to have.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Tawla means means, that you can.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Constitution, right that you can put up with like
getting picked on?
Yes, you know that you can takeit like some kids.
You make fun of them andthey're like pissed off.
They want to go home.
Like don't make fun of me, andthey get their.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Their parents expect them to go through life without
getting made fun of.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Right, so in my house my kids can make fun of each
other, you know and, and youknow I have the referee at
sometimes and everything, but I,I allow it no encourage and
I'll, yeah, and I'll talk to mydaughter you know, in particular
, she's the one that usuallygets more sensitive.
I'm like he's.
He's winning your.
Yeah, he won Right.

(43:46):
The number one rule of ballbusting Don't let the enemy know
.
We're going to write a bookabout it.
We still should.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
I have the rule saved .
There was like there's the 48laws of power which is an
exceptional book.
I mean that book in the wrong.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
It's a good shitter book.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
It's a good shitter book.
In the wrong hands that book isproblematic.
Yeah, okay, but so we weregoing to, we were going to write
the 48 laws of ball busting,yeah, and I listen, I think
there's a, there's a place forit.
We need to, we need to get anactual writer.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Yeah, and somebody knows what the fuck they're
doing.
Throw ideas to them Like we'rethe ball busters, but he's the
brain, and we do it all day.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
So you know it's funny you say that.
So yesterday I'm playing golfwith Mike, who you know,
calville and Calville, by theway, a guy's just an intro.
He's, he's he's our professorfriend, he's a doctor, he's the
guy that's a PhD and he teachesat history.
He teaches at the fight thefancy high school, okay.
So you know, it's a, it's a bigsort, it's great content one

(44:41):
day we should we should maybeget him on one, he won't.
But, um, yeah, but growing upCalville had a debilitating
speech impediment, right, okay,Like, oh my God, it was bad.
And what's funny is that now hegot it obviously perfectly
under control.
He teaches, he lectures all day, but man, it's so funny because

(45:02):
we used to rag on him aboutthat.
And so yesterday we're playinggolf and you know, we're you got
an episode?
No, no, we're saying crashthings to each other as usual,
and one of the guys that we werewith is, like new to the group.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
And he's a doctor and he's very nice.
And no, no, no, he's a ballbuster too.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
But he was like man, I, you know, I don't, I don't
want, I don't know these guys,so I don't want to say anything
and I was, I'm telling them thestory.
I'm like, no, he's like we saidsomething to Calville and and
he was like is he cool with that?
You know, is he going to getupset?
I'm like no, dude, youunderstand how we were growing
up.
The guy had a serious speechimpediment.
We'd fuck with him all day.
He'd be like.
He'd be like hey, hey, hey and,and fucking Michael would be

(45:38):
like spit it out.
Calville, zero concern abouthis feelings.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Right, his feelings, bro.
What the fuck were those.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
So.
So that's what we mean byTau'la right, that you got to be
able to put up with that, likeyou know, and, by the way that
may, in my view, kid grew up tobe a much better man, professor,
because of you.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like not only am I going to
beat this shit?

Speaker 1 (46:01):
I'm going to get a job where I got to talk all
fucking day.
You know what I mean.
Like most people are like oh, Igot a speech impediment.
Like how do I become a fuckinga coder?
Right, you know, like all, Iwant to do is sit behind a
computer all day and type, likethis guy was like no, no, I'm
getting ragged on, I got tolearn to fucking talk, so but
social media right now, suicidefor girls is up.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Oh my God, man Like right but but and?
And let me tell youspecifically for girls and
feminists.
Don't worry about, it's notbecause women are weaker or
anything.
I relax, let me fucking explain, all right.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
It's because, first of all, how are we even sure
they're girls?

Speaker 2 (46:36):
What?
Yeah, you're right I signedgender again.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Thank you for calling me out on that.
Yeah, I got.
You guys got to help me outwith that.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I'm gonna keep on assigning gender.
Don't worry, bro, we're goingto get you to finish line.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Even if we have to drag you, we're going to mold
you into a politically correctdeath, right?
So so um, I'll teach you toassume yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
So, um, fuck with that.
Oh, so, so.
So the reason why there's theirsuicide is so high because
women are Brutal, like I had oneof my, one of my, one of my
dear friends, daughters, theother day, and and and in the in
my car, cuz I was taking themfrom point A to point B or
whatever, and and and they weretalking about like they were
making fun of some girl, and I'mlike brutal, I'm like listen,
guys.
I stopped like I'm like listen,you cannot, like you can't be a

(47:19):
dick to people just becausethey got, you know, this is,
this particular girl hadenormous teeth, right.
So, which is very, which isvery funny, you know, and again
in our in our world.
You know, she can put down acarrot like you never, you know,
but I, you know I'm trying you,you don't want to be a bully,
you know that's there's.
There's another thing you don'twant to.

(47:39):
You don't want to raise a bully, you don't want to raise
somebody, but you want to raisesomebody and and again, this is
all about.
This is not a parenting podcast.
It's more like a what the fuckare we gonna do to fix society
problem right?
Like society is headed towardsthe soft, I can't take anything.
And if and if this is a, ifthis is anything is a podcast on
, like I guess success.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
I wonder how many negative comments will get on
that.
I love that because you knowthat there's this belief out
there that that's not True.
What's not true?
That we're getting softer andand what?
The term that the right wasusing a few years ago Was the
pusification of America.
Sorry again Anyone that'soffended, but that was the term.
And then there was this.
There's this push.
By the way, he's kidding Idon't give a fuck of it I.

(48:20):
Then somebody's gonna chime inoh their assholes, don't you
don't you worry about that.
So no, but me, you zero, fuck wesit here and we talk about it
as if it's assumed, like, ofcourse, the society is getting

(48:41):
Soft.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
You know people that don't believe of course no,
they're like.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
No, no, we're not.
You guys are just fuckingidiots.
It's like you know your meatheads and it's the end of the
era of the meathead.
There's nothing wrong with thatright.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
so if, if social media, so the reason why
specifically girls Suicide is upis because girls are brutal,
okay, a, and now it never wishI've been on.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
That would have.
That Would have been so amazing.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
So so women?
So now that with social mediait doesn't turn off when school
ends?

Speaker 1 (49:13):
No, man it doesn't stop at 233 30 on the country's
on the only time you get off thehook, maybe right a phone right
so it's, it's, it is all theway to 11 o'clock at night and
everything that.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
So if you do anything Like you're, literally by, by
teaching a mental toughness andbeing able to absorb a Mental
beating you and there should beclasses on.
They're really getting your asskicked there really and they go
in there and just make fun ofthem.
Your teeth are huge and yourfucking ears are.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
And you gotta like come back on one.
You gotta learn to say thankyou.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Well, you gotta be able to ignore it.
So the thing about social mediait you know it has to do with
the tabla part right like tablais extremely important.
You gotta be able to take theasshole.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
You gotta be able to take and that's why goes back to
our comment about the negativecommenters.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Right and those guys think they affect us.
That's why they probablystopped.
I mean, we guys listen.
Please start sending thenegative comments again.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I don't know what I gotta say.
My worry is that you guys arecompletely Scientists stop
boxing.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Should we stop?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
should we say we give a fuck, so they make it like,
seem like it hurts I really getupset.
When, when someone calls me outof the style, you know, god
bless we had it because it wasway lower this week, right Like
way lower this week.
Oh, these guys are pretty good.
It's like, fuck you, that's notwhat we Know, but it's funny.
You say that about the, aboutthe type of Abuse that that

(50:47):
women give to each other, islike the great joke that I mean.
I, it wasn't even a joke.
I heard it out of Whole Foods.
I was in line at Whole Foodsand there was this because you
only shop at Whole Foods, no, no, no, I'm a public fan.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
What are those shoes?
They sell?
Their the toms.
You were toms, why was it not?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
ever.
I would listen if you evercatch me.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
I want to scarves.
They sell the toms and scarsgetting caught dead and toms
would be.
Actually die fuck.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
God bless, bro, legacy killer.
So anyway, but I hear this.
This this guy and he's on thephone is clearly on the phone
with his wife, you know, and andhe's arguing about something.
And he hangs up and he looks athis son and the kids there.
The kid looks up at him and hesays son, let's say something
right now.
Don't try to understand women.
Women understand women.
That's why they hate each other, and it would you know, and

(51:37):
it's very funny and I say thatin front of women and they're
like, oh my god, that's so true,that's hysterical.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
You know, brutal man, they're brutal to each other
and so you have to.
You're almost saving your, yourdaughter's, life just by
teaching them how to be able totake a beating.
And, like I said, like in myhouse, I let my son just
Constantly fuck with my daughter, right?
Because, you know, if I see hercrying, if I see her freaking
out, I sit down and I go Okay,so let's talk about this.

(52:02):
What did he say?
You know, we said that I'm ababy or whatever.
Are you a baby?
You know?
Are you this?
Are you that?
You know what I'm saying?
Like it's, it's, it's a, youknow, and you and you teach them
how to deal with it and comeback because, again, social
media, dude, it's a danger, likeanother thing, our parents
didn't have big time right, soyou know hold on one second
because I'm getting.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Who is that?
Somebody I know.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yes, let me see.
Is that a picture of the personI know?
I don't know that guy?
Yes, sir, hold on.
We never taken a call duringthe podcast before I know well,
for we should start taking them.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Hey sir, how are you?
It's on my reception desk in myoffice.
I text you this morning.
Yep, it's in there waiting foryou, oh.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I know.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
No, I'm at.
I'm in Dural recording apodcast almost done.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Right, this is gonna be the first podcast we edit.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
No, we don't have to edit.
People will be wondering whothe fuck was that?
Yeah, like I have to answer.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
So, so yeah, with the social media thing, you know it
all goes back to.
You know we have to preparethese humans.
Let's forget about kids.
I don't want to seem like thisis a parenting podcast, right,
but it's.
It's more like a how do weprepare these humans to deal
with what's going to come inright now, right, which is, you
know, social media, asswhoopings and the and the

(53:25):
negative comments and everythingfor the?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
kids.
The first group of people whowe did the wrong things with are
now adults in their fields.
Remember we were making fun ofone of them.
I made the mistake ofSuggesting that there was a
tweet I even said it was a tweetabout a guy whose daughter was
coming back from college and shewanted part-time work as a CEO.
And we got a big laugh out ofit and somebody was like classic

(53:48):
fucking boomer right here, yeahand then some other asshole was
like Well, it's 2023 and themillennials are no longer in
college, so that's you know?
that's how dumb you are.
It's like okay, man, it's ajoke, I mean you didn't get it.
You didn't understand becauseyou're one of those fucking
people.
Like you got an ass the emailyou went to complain to HR right
, okay, and so, like you know,like HR is a massive department.

(54:09):
Now, like you know, like beforethe company started, hr was like
something you had to havebecause you Know you were
getting sophisticated.
Now, if you have a fuckingnursery and you don't have an HR
department, you're dying to getsued and also I know also
Surrounding yourself withfriends that are gonna bust your
balls is also very veryimportant.
Of course, like you, just tokeep yourself.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Of course, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Even with us.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah right, right like when he got appointed to,
to, to, to freck, which was Tomeet me with more of a big deal
to me because I'm, I'm, I'm inreal estate all day and our
friendship will finally pay off.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Yeah, I'm like I can't imagine how I'm not doing
anything for you.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
And I also said I go by you're still an asshole in my
book, so don't get fuckingcocky with me.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I mean, so you bring yourself back and that's the
stuff that I, you know, evenwith dead mothers.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Huh, even with dead mothers.
Yeah, my buddy's mom died andyou know, in the chat one of the
guys like she died every On theday of and everybody's like, oh
man, so sorry, al, I'm like man, I'm so glad I was there to get
it one last time.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
You're such a dick I.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Never say that.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
So you know so yeah, man, I mean you know we, we, you
know, I don't know, man, nobodyhas the book, nobody has.
I know there is parenting books, but it's probably just full of
a terrible shit yeah right we.
That's another thing we shouldprobably do.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
She's like I.
It's a New York Timesbestseller right, fuck, don't
raise.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Don't raise a pussy.
You know would be one of one ofthe subjects, but so, um, I
Don't know anything else.
You want to talk about anythingelse you got in mind?

Speaker 1 (55:57):
No, I mean, look, I think today was good.
We got a little bit outside thebox, talked a little bit about
business, the impact of NewYorkers, right, and people from
California and Chicago here inFlorida.
We talked about you know kindof how to, how to try to make
productive members of society.
You know you got to have abalance.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yeah, and you know, and, and you know if we'll leave
it, we'll leave it with this.
You know what we're reallytalking about with this is what
are, what are the keys tosuccess?
Right, like to be a successfulpart of member of society, to be
a successful.
You just can't be productiveproductive member productive.
Successful, yeah, no, and I'mleaning more towards successful,

(56:36):
because if you're a six,there's just no or very little
pussies at the top of thebusiness world, fair to say I
mean you don't get there having.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
We mean that in the, not in the literal sense.
We mean it in the oh, right,right, right.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yes, no, there is vaginas.
Right right, there is vaginas,because you know there's.
I'm here to help you be clear?

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I thank you.
The ambiguity is negative.
Right, so yes there are a fewweak minded people.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
You don't get at the top of the business world so if
you're, if you're trying toraise a business man or business
woman, somebody who's abusiness person, a business them
, they're there.
Right A business person right,A business person, the say with
me good.
You know, you don't, you don'tget.
You don't get to the top of thebusiness world without taking

(57:26):
ass whoopings, giving asswhoopings.
You know you've got to be ableto.
You got to be able to take aloss and not freak out.
You're right, you got to beable to take extreme pressure
extreme pressure.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
That's like that great meme of the iceberg and
it's like you see the topsuccess and everything that's
under the water All the way inthe bottom.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, so we gotta be able to.
You gotta be able to handleLike you have to be as
productive and even maybe morefocused during extreme pressure.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Oh, let's leave it on that.
That's the great one.
Oh, you got to hear this.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
When you call it, when you call it, when I call it
, oh my God.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
So this guy in the downturn, first of all in the
run up things you don't knowabout, jesus, okay, make us
proud of our little go gutterhere.
So in the run up, this guy wasin real estate and he got
successfully bought a bunch ofproperties.
Okay, so he had a bunch ofinvestment properties.
He had an office the one we'resitting in now he had a house,
you name it.
He had maybe 10, 12, 15properties.

(58:23):
He bought a fucking airplane.
He taught himself how to flythe airplane.
He had an office in Texas andin Tampa he'd get in his own
plane and fly around Tampa,orlando, gainesville.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Yeah, so he was doing well.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
And then the world ended with the downturn, and
when the world ended, man, allof these properties went into
foreclosure.
And when I tell you that it was, there was a time when, I swear
to you, it was 20 foreclosurecases pending at one time.
There were so many we couldn'teven keep them straight.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
I couldn't keep them straight, well it wasn't only,
it was just lots just creditorsand everything, yeah everything.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
The whole world falls apart.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I remember even the IRS showed up one day when the
fucking world was falling apart.
My front desk goes hey,somebody's here the IRS.
I'm like listen man, I'm out ofthe mood for jokes.
I'm not in the mood for jokes.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
She's like I'm not in the joke.
She's like no, it's not a joke.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
I'm like listen, man, I'm not fucking around.
Like you know, it's who Ipromised you.
The IRS is here.
Dude, there's a picturesomewhere on my phone.
The guy sat right there and Ijust took a picture like the
worst day of my life, yeah yeah,and the world is falling apart
and the IRS shows up.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
We used to call them foreclochies, the law said we
used to call them foreclochies.
Again, we just couldn't keeptrack of them.
And so every day in theafternoon we talk about what we
were trying to accomplish.
And I'll never forget I wasdriving home and I'm on H Street
, I'm right in front of FIU andthis guy's telling me to do
things in these cases that thereis no basis in the law for what
he's asking for.
Okay, his ideas of how to solvethese problems did not exist.

(59:41):
And of course I'm fuckingyelling at him.
I'm like it doesn't fuckingwork that way.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
We can't do that, et cetera, and so everything he's
suggesting by the way, I was inTexas, like I was in Texas, but
selling like I don't know hugeproduct-.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Everything he's suggesting, I'm shooting full of
holes.
And finally he says okay, bro,you know what?
I just want you to know, it'sfine.
It's fine, you wanna know why?
Cause I thrive on negativeenergy.
And I was like oh yeah, well,then you should be running at
110%.
Yeah, dude, it was like I knowexactly where I was.

(01:00:16):
You're Satan, bro.
You're Satan.
I fucking hate you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Yeah, I know exactly where I was.
I know exactly what was thewhole world.
I had just had my one of likethree panic attacks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
You know what I mean.
One guy showed up at his likeown home that no longer even had
furniture and shit.
He was like and looked inthrough the sliding glass door
and this guy, buck naked, got upand beat the fuck out of that
guy.
Two in the morning, no.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I chased the guy.
I didn't get to beat the fuckout of him, but he was.
I was like what the fuck is,what the hell is that guy doing
in my backyard?
And he was inspecting the housefor a foreclosure.
So, dude, I listen, man.
I don't know if you guys cansee, I've always been a big guy.
I've been in martial arts myentire life.
I've been in a thousand fights.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
I mean I'm the wrong fucking guy.
I'm the wrong goddamn.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
I'm angry as hell at life.
I'm the wrong guy to be in thebackyard at that point.
I never, I never forget that.
I came out.
He saw me.
He fucking makes a right.
He hits the fence because hehas to make a right and then a
right to get out of the house.
And I remember he hits thefucking fence.
Bro, I'm right behind trying tograb him.
Dude, he gets in the car.
He was a huge pickup truck andI remember I climb on the pickup

(01:01:27):
truck and I'm elbowing thewindow, trying to break the
window to get through to grabhim, Because I didn't know he
was like.
I thought he was somebodytrying to break into my house,
Right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
How did you find out he was an inspector?
The police showed up the nextday.
No just two and two together.
He was like no.
Detective Ramsey showed up totell me that Dude.
Let me tell you that guy had atough.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
That guy had a tough situation there because I was
going to.
I was going to if I were tocall him.
I'm glad I did it.
I'm glad he was faster than meand he got in that car and he
was able to close that door.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
He was a little more nimble, he was he was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
He was way more nimble.
But yeah, you know, yeah, thatwas those are.
Those are horrible, horrible,horrible, horrible times.
But to give this asshole credit, you know, one of the very few
people that that kind of youknow stuck with me and and that
people wonder why I put up withthis guy is because he was there
during the absolute he would.
He was busting my balls thewhole way through.
I mean, don't that neverstopped?

(01:02:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
No matter what, no matter how difficult Bang up job
buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Way to get yourself into all this shit.
You know but but but we got outof it and we're doing great, so
we're here recording podcast.
We're recording podcast underin there, right Under amazing
lighting today, by the way, thisis the light it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
it's a little bit.
They gave you the blue today,the blue.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I had the blue that was, it was looking better.
The other one's a little bittwo in your face.
This is this one's good, thatone's horrible?

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
No yeah, the one where you can see the zits is
spectacular.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Yeah zits from like fucking 10 years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
All right guys, thank you, great episode.
See you next week.