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Speaker 1 (00:00):
stress out.
Remember, ryan Serge is one ofmy best friends in the world.
So I hear, even though I justmet you, like dude I'm, you know
I have stories or stories.
You lived with me for years.
Feldman, first and foremost,thank you.
(00:24):
I know you're a busy, busy,busy guy, so I really appreciate
it, man.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
My man awesome, Glad to be here, man.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
You're definitely definitely our first big
interview, so you know, Iappreciate that.
So, feldman, I kind of want tostart a little bit from the
beginning.
You're a Pennsylvania guy,right?
Yeah, philly, philly, yeah,philly guy, holy shit, yeah,
that's, that's a different.
I actually go to Pennsylvania alot for for my, for my kid.
I spent last year about a monthin Pennsylvania, yeah, and we
(00:51):
got a lot of friends over therebecause of the wrestling thing
and you actually, you actuallywrestled in your kid, right.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, I wrestled in junior high school and high
school.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Junior high school.
What school was school overthere?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Marple, newtown.
Right, and I was, I was.
I was an average wrestler, butyou know, I learned.
I learned how to throw my hands.
If MMA was big back then, Ithink I would have made a shot.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, because you had the wrestling and then then the
boxing.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Absolutely man.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, I got a buddy of mine that from from Philly,
boom, boom Bachman, you knowboom, boom Bachman.
By any chance, fred Bachman,you know Bachman.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, he fought on the.
He fought on Oscar Delahoy'sreality show.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that's a really good, reallygood friend of mine.
He's got a brother to Lance.
He does have a brother, Lance.
Yeah, Lance is killing it man.
Yeah, lance is killing it onthe marketing company and his
yeah, bachman's, bachman's twosons are the top wrestlers in
the country Crazy, you know, Ithink yeah it's it's a price?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so.
That's funny, you know, bachman.
Yeah, so so you started offwrestling.
(01:46):
How'd you get into the wholeboxing thing?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I mean, my dad was a professional boxer.
He trained seven worldchampions.
My mom got beat up real bad andgot it became a quadriplegic.
She was left in a wheelchairand my dad kind of turned my
house into a training camp.
My mom had to go somewhere elseto live because she couldn't be
taken care of, so had fightersin my house.
(02:09):
since I was I don't know sevenyears old all the way up through
my whole entire childhood intomy adulthood.
You know it was raised by like10 different men, two guys on
death row, like crazy, crazystuff.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
No shit.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, man, I've seen everything in my life growing up
and into into adulthood, so youknow I'm pretty well rounded
now.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I've seen it all, man , it's funny.
It's funny when you get a guylike you that you know.
Do you think that your, your,your street edge, helps you in
the business world?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'd fail without it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So I couldn't, I wouldn't be here.
Yeah because I think, I thinkI'm well rounded.
Where I'm like, I use thestreet, I use the box and stuff.
You know, like you, what do youwant to do?
You go into the red and, andyou know, very well educated,
and I had to talk to the rightguys.
Yeah, the right way.
(03:07):
And yeah and all just works out.
Because, look man, you know thetop guys that are only just
college educated and don't haveany street cred.
They want to be around someonethat that's been around it Right
.
And the other guys you need.
You need that because, if not,they're going to walk all over
you.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, and I also I also think that that you know,
you know growing up on thestreets and growing up poor, it
gives you you're a little bitmore real right, like, like and
and, and you recognize who'sreal and who's not.
A little bit.
It gives you that radar right Alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So much man Like I don't.
I don't talk fake, I don't dofake, I don't have fake around
me and when they are around me.
They're not around us for long.
I mean, I just want real Likeand if I'm messing up, tell me
I'm messing up.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Do we curse on this thing?
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.
So if I'm fucking up, tell meI'm fucking up.
Like, tell me, right, don'ttell somebody else I'm fucking
up.
Tell me I'm fucking up.
Yeah, you know, be real, I'mall about real, and if you're
not real, then fuck off.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah and that and that you know people
don't realize in in business.
You know it's like the tennisworld.
I always say it and I'vementioned in a couple of
podcasts, like when I go tothese, my daughter plays tennis.
So when you go to these, these,so I'll get into a lot less
issues with people at awrestling tournament, at a
jiu-jitsu tournament, than Iwill at a tennis tournament,
right?
So these tennis parents havenever been punching the fucking
(04:31):
face before.
So they talk to you and theyapproach you just the way they
approach you.
They don't even get that, thatsafe distance.
They get into your space alittle bit because they've never
been punching the fucking face.
That's I use that line all thetime.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And, like my wife says, why is that guy acting
like that?
Never been punching the fuckingface I'm punching the fucking
mouth, because if he did, hewouldn't be talking like that he
would there's no way he would,because I've been punching the
face by the baddestmotherfuckers in the world and I
won't ever talk like that, likeyou, just don't do it.
There's a certain people.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Right you when, when you are, you know when.
Again, when you're a guy who'sbeen through it and everything,
you learn to respect peoplebecause you demand respect Right
.
So it's it's kind of like youknow you wouldn't dare
disrespect somebody because inyour world you know you, you
wouldn't accept even you knowanybody disrespect you.
So you treat people.
I just find that you knowpeople have been through it, you
(05:26):
know, like yourself, it's justa different breed of person 100
percent man.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean I was out to dinner like two weeks ago with
my wife and this guy was actinglike a jerk off, like I mean of
jerk off to the waiter.
It was unbelievable and I waslike my man, I said why are you
treating this guy like that?
Man don't treat this guy likethat and he's just turning
around and minding his ownbusiness the whole night.
But I was like I was getting somad.
I was like yo, I want to punchthis guy in his mouth, like why
(05:53):
isn't he treating people?
All I'm saying is like why isso easy to treat people right
and people don't do it?
It's better, it's just, it'seasier, it's easier, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's easier, nice, be kind, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I live on one thing and I know we're going to
talk about a bunch of shit butlive on, do the right thing,
like do the right thing.
Just do the right thing.
It's so much easier to do theright thing Because if you do
the wrong thing, you got toremember everything that you did
to cover up while you did thewrong thing.
Just do the right thing, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah yeah, I was a perfect example of that too.
I was we're in a meeting at a150 foot yacht.
It was a big, big dinner tableand when we were having dinner,
you know, high level, you knowthe story started.
So you know, I mean it's, it's,you know, all wealthy people,
the whole situation.
And there was a guy next to me,a yacht broker guy, right, so
(06:44):
fucking dressed like a yacht bro, you know, I'm dressed with
fucking pastels and shit.
You know, I'm like with the,with the sweater wrapped around,
that type of guy.
And you know we were alltalking and everything, and he's
sitting right next to him andhe threw just I had just met the
guy and he threw like like aninsult, you know, in my
direction and I'm like I look athim like that's, that's
interesting, like oh fuck, Idon't know, I don't know, you
(07:05):
know it's not, I don't know thisguy, for him to break that
barrier, you know I let it slide.
He says it again, you know.
And uh, right during themeeting I he was running, I
grabbed him, I put him to me andI whispered, real in his
fucking ear I go, dude, I'llknock you the fuck out.
You talk to me one more fuckingtime in front of everybody.
I'm gonna knock you the fuckout.
(07:25):
I look at it and I just keptthe fucking no, because again
that guy could think that he'syou know, just go out there and,
and, and, and, do whatever andsay whatever he wants.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
You know, man, and I think that's another reason why
you know, with the fighters Igot such a great relationship
with him, because they knowyou're that I've got punched in
the face.
Yeah, I'm not a promoter.
They just asked someone formoney to put a fight on.
Yeah, but I did bear an unclefights.
I did boxing, I did everything.
Yeah, I did it.
So I traded one respect yeah,because you know what it feels
(07:57):
like to taste a punch and Idon't like it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Have you had any issues with you, with the
fighter?
Because I mean, at the end ofthe day, listen, I grew up, you
know, in boxing, james, with aDita.
Dita's been with my kickboxingcoach, my, my, my, my since I
was what?
16 years old, you know.
So I know there's characters.
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
To to nose to noses and was like my man, don't touch
my nose, I'm gonna fuck out.
And I did.
I said look, you don'tunderstand, I will knock you to
fuck out, and I Sometimes forgetthat I'm 50.
Now Last thing to go is yourpunching power, so I will knock
them the fuck out, but that'swhat I said.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I don't know, man, can I still take a punch?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I used to take when I was 30 plus, like you know what
.
Maybe we should end this in myhead, only me.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Which is it?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
we shouldn't start banging that if one of my
fighters knocks me out, it'sprobably doesn't look really
good for me?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
No, it's not a good idea, probably not a good idea.
And speaking of that, tyson and, and what's his name?
Jake Paul.
Yeah, what do you think I mean?
I think it's the reflexessituation.
I don't think he's, I don'tthink at 60 years old You're not
gonna have the reflexes to getaway from a young man's punches.
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's so hard.
That's why I think a lot ofpeople are gonna tune in this,
because it's hard to say likeright.
You want to say Mike Tyson isgonna walk all over this kid,
yeah, but he's 50.
He'll be 58 years old, I think,at the time of the fight 58 is.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Reflexes are going man now look by the way.
He didn't have an easy lifeeither.
It's not up, it's not like aguy who's been eating fucking
vegan and doing yoga his wholelife.
You know what I mean?
I mean it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
If he crashed Jake Paul, he's probably gonna knock
him out.
Yeah but he has to get througheverything to get there and it's
not gonna be easy.
And you know a lot of peopleyou know talk shit on Jake Paul.
But listen, jake Paul isn't thebest fighter in the world
certainly not, but I mean he'slearning the job.
He's learning on the job.
He's getting better and betterevery fight man, yeah, he could
(09:47):
crack.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I mean, talk promoting ones, forget about it
there.
This kid's, this kid's a figuresecond to none.
Second to none.
It's crazy, but um, but yeah, Imean, but if we really think
about Tyson even and I get, I'ma huge, I'm a huge Tyson fan and
everything but if you thinkback on Tyson's even, hey, they,
I mean when he would get tested, you know he would, you know if
he's not the guy funny to gettested.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Teddy Atlas was one of his old trainers.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, he has a saying .
I forgot what it was.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
No, but he said, he just said the other day.
He said Mike Tyson's onlyreally been in four fights and
he lost all four of them.
Yeah, he said the ones that hegot pressured.
He lost everyone.
And now I don't necessarilyagree with that Because I mean
he's been him, not that hefolded when he got pressed, but
I think he's been in more thanfour fights.
I think he's been in somefights where he looked
(10:30):
sensational.
He's one of the hardestpunchers ever.
But he could be that, that bigbully that when he got backed up
, you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Go back the other way .
You know, yeah, it's, it's,it's and and it has it.
It has it in every sport, likeif you're the bully, you're
great bully, but if that bullystands up, you know the other
guy stands up to the bully andthen all of a sudden he's on his
heels.
You know that's a whole this, awhole different world.
So I don't know, man, that's,that's a tough one.
You're right, people are gonnatune it out.
I've never tuned into one ofthem.
I'm gonna tune into this one.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I'll watch it, a hundred percent I might even be
there.
No, really, I mean, I thinkit's a spectacle, I think it's
something that I would want tosay yeah, and usually I'm not
into this kind of stuff but,yeah, it's Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It is right, it is.
He got, he had.
I mean, dude, I remember when,back in the days when he would
fight, it was like it was likethe Super Bowl, it was like shit
would stop.
Oh, mike tight.
And you know, and you knew itwas a minute, you know 30
seconds, you know, but you stopto watch it, you know crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I remember watching him get knocked out by Buster
Douglas that night.
I remember Jim Lantley's voicego, mike Tyson has been knocked
out and I was like oh Holy shitI can't believe this just
happened.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
We never thought it was gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah right, it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah.
So business wise man, how thefuck did you do this?
How the fuck did like, in five,in five years, six years, right
yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You know it takes.
What is it?
What's that?
Well, it takes a whole lifetimeto become an overnight success.
I mean, I understand that part,so I know it's been more than
that.
But as far as the company'sconcerned, man like I mean, what
the fuck?
It's crazy, I mean you, youpaint yourself sometimes like
what the hell's going on here?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You know, I don't, I don't have time to really
because?
No, because, listen, peopledon't see the lows, right, the
lows, and building this thing,and I don't show them the lows.
But there's a lot of lows manand all the time because I'm
dealing with the lows to getback to the highs.
So I don't have time to reallylook at that every once in a
while.
What I do do is I Google BKFC,right, and I just look at all
the stuff that people talkedabout it and the articles and I
(12:24):
was like damn, we builtsomething unbelievable here,
because if you are sittinginside, like my one buddy said,
dave, you gotta step out of thejar sometimes and I'm like what
are you talking?
about he's like you live in thisjar.
Every once in a while step outof the jar and read the label so
you know.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You see what you built because if you don't, I
like that.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You know you can't really work as hard because
you're like you get frustratedtoo easy, but I'm like we are
building something special.
I've read some of the thingsthat says can it be the next UFC
?
We're probably never gonna bethe next UFC.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Why you say that, though I'm just saying you have
seen is a juggernaut it's.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It'll take a lot for us to get to be the next UFC.
I think that we can be thedifferent sports.
I mean, I'm just saying adifferent sport, but I think we
can be the second biggest combatsport promotion in the world.
Hands down, no doubt.
Yeah and if I would have saidthat five years ago, people
would have probably put me in apadded room.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You know why I this.
You know why I disagree withyou there, and I'm a huge MMA
fan and everything but um I,there's still a lot.
There's still more boxing fansthan there are MMA fans today.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Well, listen, you agree with that one, though you
could be right.
Here's the thing forget boxingand forget MMA.
Let's talk about whyeverybody's watching BKFC.
Because it's relatable, because, guess what, if I go out and
ask and I do it all the timewith investors I ask people in
the room, I go do you know whatOoma Pilata is?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you knowwhat a Kamora Choke is.
(13:44):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You know what a bare knuckle punch is.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yes, yes yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Every man, woman, little child, old man, old woman
, black, white, chinese,hispanic doesn't matter, they
all know what a bare knucklepunch is, they all get it.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
You don't need to explain it to anybody, you don't
need to be there and go.
Oh no, he just took them downand that's the point.
You don't need to do any ofthat.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But even more than that, the fans relate to it
because they kind of say, man, Iwonder if I could have done
that when I was younger, rightlike it's a bare knuckle punch,
and in a different way, just inlife.
They get up every morning andthey get punched in the fucking
face by life and they have tosay am I gonna lay back down or
am I gonna keep going every day?
And I think that's why theyrelate to bare knuckle more than
(14:27):
any other combat sport outthere.
And why do I say that it mightnot be as big?
Only because I don't know thelongevity of all the athletes,
and once I know that in the nexttwo or three years Got it, then
I'll know if it can be that big.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, and it's like, you know, it's the car accident
thing too, with fighting ingeneral, right, nobody ever
walks by a fighting.
Oh, you guys are fighting andjust keeps on going.
Everybody stops.
I mean, dude, on 72nd Avenue,the Starbucks on 72nd and US1, I
was with my son the other dayand, dude, two guys just start
fucking beating the shit out ofeach other almost on the middle
(15:00):
of the road.
I mean I parked my car and Ijust sat with my son and we just
watched the whole thing.
I mean it was a lot for StreetFight, it was long because they
kept on falling and getting upand then they ended up falling
into US1.
I mean it was crazy.
So nobody walks through a fight, you know, walks by a fight,
and again.
So back to my theory on why I'mgonna respectfully disagree with
(15:22):
you on BKFC.
You know, being bigger isbecause there's still a lot more
boxing fans out there, a lotmore than MMA fans.
So in theory, if you captureall of those guys' imagination,
now boxing is doing a horriblejob at boxing, right?
I mean?
And the system that works isthe UFC system that you're the
(15:45):
one running it, you're the onepromoting, you're the one that
wakes up every day in themorning and worries about the
business, right?
That's the formula that'sworking.
So you're gonna it just makessense that you're gonna capture
all those eyes, right, I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
boxing got contaminated right.
It got contaminated by the badpeople and there's a lot of bad
people in it and look, there's alot of bad people everywhere.
But we created our ownecosystem.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
We created everything inside of us and it can't be
contaminated, and it can't becontaminated, and when it gets
contaminated, that's when I'mout.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It's like it's not gonna get contaminated under my
watch and we're gonna always dothe right thing.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So listen, I'm not gonna argue with you tell me I'm
gonna be the bigger than theUFC man.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But I'm just saying I see us comfortably being in the
number two position in combatsports in two years, hands down
comfortably.
I really I don't see anythingelse out there like it.
And I tell you why it's becauseof what I said to relatability,
but it's cause of the sound too, just that, whoa, yeah,
everybody does it.
So talk about what you saidabout the car act.
(16:45):
I mean when you saw someonebanging on the street right
Fighting each other on thestreet.
When you go to a basketball gameand there's a fight in the
stands, what do you look at?
The game or to fight.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Forget that when you go to a World Heavyweight Boxing
Championship and a fight breaksout in the stands, what do you
watch?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's a good point.
You watch the fight in thestands.
You watch the fist fight.
Did you hear the other day DanaWhite talking about the fight
and the brawl in the stands inMexico?
Did?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
you hear his commentary on it.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
There was a huge brawl in the.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I heard that.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So what he says was he goes dude.
It's the fucking craziest thingI ever seen.
Security never stopped it,nobody.
The fight ended.
When the fight ended Likepeople just got exhausted, went
back to their seats, got theirbeers and just kept on drinking.
That's crazy.
Like they didn't even fuck withit.
Like he's like hey, it'sMexican.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know what, sometimes I think that that
might be the way to do it, causeit seems like sometimes the
security just makes people getmore hype.
Listen, I don't suggest it.
I'm going to be over secure.
You know, I have more securitythan we need, but I'm saying
maybe that's the way to do it?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, have you seen that video on Instagram that
there's two dogs barking at eachother like fucking, and then
the gate opens and then bothdogs just stop barking.
It's pretty much.
How many times have you?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
seen that, though A security guy holding back that A
guy goes this and they pullaway and they go like whoa.
But it's about to get real.
I'm out of here.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's it.
So what do you see in like whatshort-term goals?
What are you looking at?
Long-term goals I meanlong-term goals is worldwide,
right.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, I mean listen, we're like I said, we started
June 2nd 2018.
We did our first show in ahockey rink, a little hockey
rink in Cheyenne, Wyoming, about1500 people in attendance.
We're doing shows now eight to10,000 people consistently.
We've tomorrow in Miami will beour fifth straight sellout this
(18:44):
year, so we're selling out allthe time which.
We're getting bigger and bettersponsors on board.
We're getting bigger and betterTV networks that want to talk to
us now Bigger athletes, biggernames, better names, better
sponsors, better venues, bettereverything.
So where are we gonna end up, Imean, I think, in two years,
where there's nothing else thatcan touch us?
(19:05):
Like I said, the UFC I don'tsee anything else out there that
can really touch us in twoyears.
I know the other guys are gonnado their things, but it doesn't
have that like oh shit moment,like we have right, it just
doesn't have it.
And you hear that sound andyou're like whoa and people
continuously get engaged.
And the biggest thing aboutbaronuckle fighting is once you
(19:26):
watch it once it's hard to watchsomething else you become a fan
for life.
It's gotta get in the watchthat first time and it's over.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
When you talk about Lowe's, because I mean, look, I
have a company 2008 was my Lowe.
I mean they was just as low asLowe can get.
When you talk about Lowe's, wasthere a point where you're like
, fuck dude, this is like eitherI get this done or I'm done?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I mean, look so my mom, as I mentioned, was a
quadriplegic.
She got beat up really bad.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Was it a jacking or was it a go?
What do you mean?
Beat up really bad.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
She was dating some guy.
He beat her up really badthroughout her car ran her over
Jesus and I left her as aquadriplegic for the rest of her
life.
And she like did everything likeas a quadriplegic, went to
college, wrote poems, but thebig thing that gets me is she
had a paintbrush in her mouthand she painted these beautiful
flowers with her mouth and Ihave them hanging in my office
(20:24):
and every time like it getsrough, I'm like man.
Look at what my mom did.
But back in 2016, november2016,.
You know, I was at my lowest oflows.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I got so 60, we're talking about almost, yeah,
eight years ago.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Eight years ago I was at my lowest point.
I've really ever been out in mylife.
I got diagnosed with cancer.
I got turned down by anotherstate.
I got turned down by 28 statestotal in Barranaco.
But I got turned down byanother one.
I was dead fucking broke.
I had $262 in my name, Like Iwas dead fucking broke and I was
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shit at home.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
And you weren't no spring chicken at that time
either.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Shit at home wasn't going good.
It just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You know, I wasn't a depressed person Nights crying
because I'm fucking tell youright now, I spent a lot of
nights crying, fucking duringyou know, crying like crying and
crying and crying I had.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It was a bad day.
I drove to the Comerbery Bridge, which is about half hour from
my house, got out of my car, Igrabbed it, man, it was freezing
cold.
Man.
I remember the steel wasfreezing cold and I lifted the
leg up and I was just gonna jump, man.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
What's up, so I saw.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I saw my mom's picture.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Man, I saw my mom's picture and I was like you're
like, just push the way and shecould do it and I'm back in the
car and I said man, I said I'mnever gonna be here again, I'm
gonna be the biggest fuckingthing I can ever be.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
No one ever stopped me.
Blah, blah, blah this wholefucking thing crying my eyes out
, man.
And I got that video.
I watched it like once a monthand what video I never took.
I took a video of myself in thecar.
Holy shit, when I got back tothe car, because I was like man,
like I was crying, like I waslike I got home and you know, I
talked to my wife and she waslike I didn't know, you know you
(22:02):
were going through that stuffand actually I didn't tell her
for like two days.
I didn't tell her for like twodays and she's like what, I had
no idea.
It was just, you know, youdon't know everybody's story
right, and it was just, it was abad day.
It was a really bad fucking day.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And was it something in business that it was?
It was at that day or like fuck, you got just got hit with and
got kicked with balls, justeverything.
Just kind of woke up in themorning.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Cancer dead broke, thinking the business I'm
working on is just gonna be shit.
Arguing with my wife going andjust being like fuck this man?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
What were you doing at that time?
What'd you do before this?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I was promoting fights also.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
But your whole life.
That's what you'd done.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
No, I owned two bars.
Two bars.
I did a lot of shit.
I did everything.
Entrepreneur, entrepreneur,every fucking thing, but I it
was.
You know, I lost my second barbecause I kind of got fucked by
the township.
I was redoing something andthey wouldn't approve the zoning
and I shut it down and I gotscrewed and I was, I was just
dead broke, man, I was deadbroke.
You think it's.
No one ever gave me shit so Iwasn't going to ask.
(22:57):
I had pride the size of fuckingyou know the Atlantic Ocean.
I couldn't ask anybody foranything.
I couldn't because my wife hadmoney.
I couldn't ask her for itbecause I'm like who the fuck
kind of fucking guy asks hiswife for money.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Like I couldn't do it .
So I was like fuck it, let mejust jump off this fucking
bridge and I ain't got to worryabout shit anymore.
And I didn't.
And I'm so thankful that Ididn't, so thankful that I saw
that picture on my head, becauseif I didn't, you know, I
wouldn't have been there, Iwouldn't have built this, I
wouldn't have Like literally thepicture of your mom popped up
in your head, like that'spicture of her flowers Of the
(23:30):
flowers of the flowers.
These roses and I was like Likeliterally that, just like if it
was a cartoon, it would havejust popped up in a little
bubble and I was like shepainted this with her mouth.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Because she couldn't even walk.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, and I said what I'm quitting, right, I'm
fucking quitting and I rememberI just pushed away and I was,
like you know, crying.
I got in the car and I'm cryingand I'm like all right, so
retake.
And I did it again because Iwas like crying and I got the
video, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And that video is what you talking to yourself, or
you're talking to your mom Notto myself Talking to yourself,
to myself.
Have you posted that videoanywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
No, I won't, you won't.
No, I never posted.
That's personal to me now.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah.
I mean look Don't lose itthough Shit If I sell it for
Safe part of that thing.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
If I sell it for nine zeros, you know, and I'm happy
and content, right, not withmoney, but I'm happy and content
as a human being and I feellike I accomplished what I need
to accomplish in life and thatwas, you know, going past all my
obstacles.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And if I do that, maybe I will, because I really
think that video changed a lotof people's life.
Yeah, I'm not ready to show ityet?
Yeah, just not ready to yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Now do you think also that the, the, the, the let's
call it the failure and the, the, the, the bar business?
Because the way I look, Ididn't go to school for business
, right, every kick in the nutsI like I haven't, I haven't come
around to it, but I want to putlike a diploma on my.
It says school of hard knocksFucking right, because I fucking
learned everything just bymaking them.
It's like Edison, he said Ijust ran out of wrong ways to do
(24:55):
the light bulb.
You know what I mean?
I didn't figure out the rightway.
I fucking ran out of wrong waysto do the light bulb.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, so, you think that thosefailures are would you be here,
right now if it wasn't for thosefailures Not a chance in the
world.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
But I mean, it's funny because a lot of people
say can you tell me you knowwhat's the path to success?
How'd you succeed?
How'd you succeed?
I said I'm not.
I can't tell you how Isucceeded.
I'm going to tell you how, justdon't quit Great how I learned
from every single failure.
Well, here's the two things.
I say the, the two major things, and when I explained the whole
thing, you'll really understandPatience and don't quit.
(25:26):
Now, of course you're going tosay yeah, I get it, but really
I'm going to explain it to you?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, I'm going to explain it to you.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You're driving down this long ass road and you know
that the destination is downthat road, but you can't see it
and you go fuck this man.
I'm turning around, you turnaround, you quit.
It was five minutes down theroad.
You never made it.
Yeah, you didn't have thepatience not to quit.
I mean.
So you, you quit If you have thepatience enough to go after
your dream, but if you do, yougot the patience enough to go
(25:53):
after your dream and go afterwhat you want in life and you
don't quit.
You have to make it.
I mean I'm not saying you haveto be what, what I'm doing, what
you're doing, what Serge isdoing, but I mean, if you're, if
your goal is just let me payoff my house in 10 years, well,
if you have that patience to doit and you have a plan to do it,
you're going to do it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, right, yeah, but like so, if, if, somebody
takes a snapshot of you, likeright after, like the bars
failed and everything like that,it's felt them in.
A good business man?
Probably not.
I mean he failed that.
You know a pretty solidbusiness, right.
But that's the thing that whatpeople don't realize is that you
know a lot of people go toschool for this shit, like they
go to Harvard and this, and that, like you know, like you, we,
(26:35):
us guys, that started fromscratch.
You, you, you, you learn.
That's the only way you'relearned.
There's no, there's noprofessor to call me.
Like who the fuck are you goingto call and say, hey, how do I?
What book are you going to readto Billy?
How do I start up bare knuckleand make it into a billion
dollar company.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I started this big food festival business when shit
wasn't going that good, Istarted.
I was always resourceful, Ialways figured something out.
So I started this food festivalbusiness, going into a story
about this.
So I started this food festivalbusiness and I got my son
involved with me and he's likean ace.
He's unbelievable, right.
Never gave my son a dime ever.
(27:10):
Like literally might've gavehim $20 or $100.
I never gave him any real money.
I gave him opportunity.
The kid fucked me, fuck me,like we joke about it now.
He fucked me for two semesterspretending he went to college
and went to work every day righthere.
We went to college.
He wasn't going to college.
He's now the top 1% earners inPennsylvania.
(27:32):
Wow, never, ever, ever went tocollege.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, so College is overrated, I mean, unless you're
gonna be a doctor and engineer,you maybe have to.
But it is Like in my world,like both of my kids are
athletes, I wanted to go toschool.
I wanted to go just because Iwant them to compete, you know.
But yeah, I don't, I don't, Ijust don't, I don't see it.
I mean, like you know it's, youknow, man, I graduated with a
1.5 GPA and I'm, you know, I'mdoing all right, and I'm You're
(27:59):
doing good in graduate.
Actually, I graduated the yearbefore they switched to a 2.0,
so I would probably stillfucking been there trying to
figure out how to get to 2.0.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm not discouraging people from going to college.
You want to go to college?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's okay, you can say it no, but I mean that.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Look, if you go to college, you want to be a doctor
, you want to be a lawyer.
You want to be an accountant,you have to have that to create
a.
Do that, do it.
But I mean nothing substitutehard work.
Nothing in the world cansubstitute hard work.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Nothing, well, and and, and I just think that if
you're going to teach your kidsanything, it's just to be tough,
right, cause you got to be ableto survive, you got to be able
to survive Resilience grit,right, grit, 100%.
So that's, that's the stuff,cause people don't realize.
Like you know, man, like youknow, yeah, you said it right
(28:46):
now.
Oh, yeah, you know, uh.
And then the bar second barclosed, but you got to put if,
if we were doing a movie onFeldman, right, there's probably
a whole fucking 20 minutes onthe day.
The bar closed and you're theresitting like what the fuck am I
going to do?
Like why can't I figure thisout?
Because I remember thinkinglike bro, why can that guy do it
?
And I can't do it.
You know what I mean.
(29:06):
Like like that, that, that low,that at night, and feeling like
a fucking loser and just tryingto figure out and what is it.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I want to tell you this when I tell you like I
didn't have enough money to buya fucking sandwich, Like I
really did.
Like when the bar closed, thenI fast forward to when I was
going to jump.
But when the bar closed Ididn't have shit, Like I wanted
to go to my dad and be like you.
Okay, I have 20 bucks to buysome 20 bucks.
You're a fucking loser,motherfucker.
Man how the fuck did you get?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
yourself here.
But I tell people all the time,man, you know, I went from
flying my own plane, right, Igot my, I got my pilot license,
flying my own plane to all myoffices and shit like that, to
like rationing out my food tolast you know a week, because I
didn't, I wasn't a check comingin.
But never once I'm telling youthis is this is what I tell
(29:57):
people all the time.
Never, once, ever, that I saidthat I, that the quitting come
into the picture.
It just fucking did it.
I'm not trying to act up, itfucking did it.
And obviously it didn't withyou either.
You know what I'm saying.
That one, you got one Cause.
Look, I had a panic attack atthe airport.
I had a panic attack at theairport.
I mean, if I had a chance tojump out anywhere, I would have
jumped that day.
I remember crying like, oh, myGod, like you know.
(30:18):
So listen, whoever hasn't hadthat in business, that panic,
you know it's, it's, it's.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
You haven't been in business long enough to put it
that way, and I think thatprepped me for what I'm going
through now.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Right, that's the point right.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
The whole world sees BKFC and says, man, it's the
biggest thing out there.
It's, you know, one of thebiggest things out there.
But there's struggles there.
There's struggles every dayfunding it and getting this
event Right, but none of thoseobstacles Because we're
expanding.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Right, but none of those obstacles are bigger than
the fucking day the bar closedNever, and you're like a fucking
zero.
Never, ever, right, likethere's nothing, never fucking
ever.
There's, there's.
There's a saying in Scarface,right, when Scarface said
there's nothing that that, uh,nothing you can do to me that
Castro hasn't already done.
Right, it's like you know, it'sa fucking most quarter movie
ever.
I heard Right Like, but if youthink about it like there's
(31:02):
nothing anybody can do to me,that you know that there's
nothing in business right now,that's going to hurt more than
those two days that we mentioned, I'm sure there's others, you
know, never there's.
Oh, you lost an investor or Idon't know One of the.
You had that.
You had that fight.
I know you guys were allstressed out.
Remember, I served as one of mybest friends in the world.
So I hear, even though I justmet you, like dude I'm, you know
(31:23):
, I have stories or stories.
You lived with me for years.
I have, you know, the, the, the, that that day, that, the, the,
the, they canceled that, um,delray Beach, when they canceled
the whole fucking right, dude,I'm like, oh my God, I'm
stressing for you guys.
I'm like what the dude?
That those are the things,right, but but again, nothing
compares, you know it and itgets better.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
It does because, like two years ago, anything bad
that happened three years ago,we'll say it was a knife in me.
It was like fuck man, I don'tknow how I'm going to survive
this Now I'm like I got a showon Friday.
It costs about growth, Not nottomorrow's show, but in general.
I got a show on Friday to costa million bucks and I got a
hundred thousand on Wednesdayand I'm like I'll find it, I'll
(32:06):
find it in two days, and I findit every fucking time I find it.
I just figured it out and makeit happen and now luckily we're
not in that position that wewere there.
But I mean, there were dayslike, listen, I did a huge fight
at Wembley Arena in London.
I flew to England without any,without a dime $780,000 for that
(32:27):
car.
I didn't have a dime, Didn'thave a dime, literally had, I
think, about 300 bucks in ourbusiness account.
And this company came in andbought us and they didn't fund
us in time and I'm like, fuck,what we're gonna do.
So I'm like, hey, listen, I'llgive you all my shares.
Give me the money.
If I can't pay you back, youkeep all my shares.
I'll figure something out.
(32:48):
I've mortgaged every singleshare I had of the company.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
So there's another thing that we haven't talked
about right Balls, all right,balls, like what, like.
So, if you had to, so again,you know, if we're doing
anything today, it's kind offiguring out the mind of a
businessman, yeah, man, the mindof somebody who started from
scratch, and the grit that ittakes right, sure, so like the
(33:11):
balls, the self-confidence andthe balls right, because you
gotta just believe in yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But I don't know if it's self-confidence all the
time, because I do doubt myself.
It's like I go, man, how do Iget in this position again?
But I go and then I go.
You know, there's that shoulderand this shoulder goes, man
fuck him, man you're gonna finda way.
You're gonna find a way, butit's balls because they say it's
a quote that says anentrepreneur jumps out of a
plane and builds a parachute onthe way down.
(33:38):
Right, you just do.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I'm definitely stealing that one, but you
figure it out, man, I fuckinglove that one.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I love that one, you do, you figure it out, man, and
I haven't figured it out yetcompletely, but we're figuring
it out every day, every fight,every day, every weigh-in, every
press conference, every signingOn the table?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We're doing it.
We're doing it.
Putting in chips on the tableevery month, just going all in.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And it's funny.
The worst thing that's gonnahappen is people are gonna talk
bad about me who gives a fuck?
But three years ago it was likea knife, like every time
someone said he sucks or thatbusiness sucks.
You're past that stage.
Fuck yourself, man.
You're past that stage rightnow.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
The hurt now is nowhere near compared to those.
And now it's just about growthand I just made a mistake.
It is Right, but then again,how does somebody a street guy
who has failed in businesspretty much till right now what
comes together right Like it's afascinating thing.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
So all of us dude, you're in high-level business,
you're an internationalhigh-level business right now,
every single person thatinvested into me and I got a lot
of investment into me now, theyall said it or invested in you.
It was my passion.
I just sold my passion.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And I invested in the company, invested in you.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Look, I think Paranacal is cool but if it was?
This guy over here doing it, Iwouldn't invest in it.
I'm investing in you.
I see your passion and I can'tquit.
Like I can't quit Because mydad always told me I was gonna
be shit in life.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I can't quit.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Like that's one of the reasons, like I'm like he
ain't fucking right and I'mgonna show him every day he
ain't right and I can't quit.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, that's another motivation for you.
You got a lot of little thingsthat you dig deep when you're in
there and you're like I diglook, I went to therapy, the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I had a fucked up child Dude.
I had so much shit going on.
You don't even know and I don'twanna go into it now.
But I mean fucked up childhoodand I just wanna.
I wanna be able to make itbetter for other people that
have to go through this kind ofjourney and are fucked up and
give them confidence that theycan do it.
I mean, that's really we justtalked about it when we ate,
serge.
I said I wanna change people'slives.
(35:48):
Right, like I said, why are youdoing this to one of the girl
fighters?
She goes I wanna changepeople's lives.
I wanna tell them that they cando it and I go.
Every one of my interviews I go, they go.
What's your number one goal?
I said I wanna change people'slives.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Dude, let me tell you something.
So we do I'm a board member andLittle Abner Foundation, right.
So Little Abner Foundation, wedo stuff for sports and
everything like that, right,which is cool archery, taekwondo
, wrestling, the whole thing butevery year we take a bunch of
terminally ill, a lot ofquadriplegic kids to Disney.
Last week yeah, this is ourseventh year fucking doing it.
(36:22):
I get goosebumps just fuckingthinking about it, cause, if you
really wanna realize, it goesback to your story on that and
you know, when you see your momwith a fucking paintbrush and
everything, it's like when yousee these kids and I'm gonna try
to not get emotional through it, because but it's when you see
these kids that didn't doanything wrong, right, didn't
make a mistake, didn't doanything, and they're in a
(36:42):
fucking wheelchair.
A lot of them are orphans,quadriplegic and terminally ill.
So we had to take and again,all the credit or role.
You know he's the architect ofthis and he's the one putting
his fucking ambulance company,putting everything right.
But we're taking them in afleet of ambulances, basically,
cause they, dude, two of themcouldn't even make it Last year.
(37:03):
A couple of them died beforecause we do it once a year,
right.
Then two of them died afterthat.
But if you sit there and yousee these kids I'm talking about
, I'm talking about little kids,bro, you know, and their and
their and their wheelchairs,just, and some of them could
barely smile, but you can see,as when Disney comes out, mickey
comes out, they see that smile.
You want to feel like a fuckingpussy?
Go to one of those go to one ofthose events and push the
(37:25):
wheelchairs and you'll be like.
You know what dude?
Nothing is hard.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
So back when I was promoting boxing, I did a fight
for this kid named Paul Kress.
He was dying of cystic fibrosisand I brought him to the fight
and we did this whole entirefoundation around him and the
only thing I could not stopnoticing is he had the biggest
smile in the fucking room, likehe was facing death literally in
three months, and he couldn'tstop smiling.
(37:50):
And my kids were complainingabout everything and I was like
you little motherfuckers, lookat this kid, he's facing death
and he's smiling.
And you're complaining that,that you don't have this or you
don't have this.
What are you guys doing, man?
You know like it puts life intoperspective what they're going
through, would you?
You know what?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
feeding tubes.
Feeding tubes, I mean, likewhat do you call those bags?
for sure, those bags and that'swhy I take my kids there to push
the wheelchairs.
I mean that's our yearly reset.
That's awesome, like push awheelchair of a kid that can't
walk, and it's going to reallymake you appreciate shit, man.
And that's part of life isreally understanding how lucky
(38:32):
we are Because, look, we've hada tough, but you know it's.
We have life and every day youknow we're just getting better
and better and you know, so felt, man, you got to go, man, so
you got to get any, not man.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
It was great talking.
I love having these real talks,to be honest with you, because
it puts things in perspectiveFor me, even today, as I'm going
through struggles today and I'mlike man, the fuck am I worried
about?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Listen, we're rooting for you.
All right, You're one of theguys that you're looking at Like
you, just fucking.
I don't know.
I don't know if it's.
Maybe I'm a little closerbecause you know I'm hearing a
little more stuff and everything.
We're fucking rooting for you,man, and every time you hit a
home run, we're fucking happyfor you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I appreciate it, man.
Keep on doing what you're doing, buddy.
Appreciate it, man.
All right man.
Thank you.
stress out.
Remember, ryan Serge is one ofmy best friends in the world.
So I hear, even though I justmet you, like dude I'm, you know
I have stories or stories.
You lived with me for years.
Feldman, first and foremost,thank you.
(00:24):
I know you're a busy, busy,busy guy, so I really appreciate
it, man.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
My man awesome, Glad to be here, man.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
You're definitely definitely our first big
interview, so you know, Iappreciate that.
So, feldman, I kind of want tostart a little bit from the
beginning.
You're a Pennsylvania guy,right?
Yeah, philly, philly, yeah,philly guy, holy shit, yeah,
that's, that's a different.
I actually go to Pennsylvania alot for for my, for my kid.
I spent last year about a monthin Pennsylvania, yeah, and we
(00:51):
got a lot of friends over therebecause of the wrestling thing
and you actually, you actuallywrestled in your kid, right.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, I wrestled in junior high school and high
school.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Junior high school.
What school was school overthere?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Marple, newtown.
Right, and I was, I was.
I was an average wrestler, butyou know, I learned.
I learned how to throw my hands.
If MMA was big back then, Ithink I would have made a shot.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, because you had the wrestling and then then the
boxing.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Absolutely man.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, I got a buddy of mine that from from Philly,
boom, boom Bachman, you knowboom, boom Bachman.
By any chance, fred Bachman,you know Bachman.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, he fought on the.
He fought on Oscar Delahoy'sreality show.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that's a really good, reallygood friend of mine.
He's got a brother to Lance.
He does have a brother, Lance.
Yeah, Lance is killing it man.
Yeah, lance is killing it onthe marketing company and his
yeah, bachman's, bachman's twosons are the top wrestlers in
the country Crazy, you know, Ithink yeah it's it's a price?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so.
That's funny, you know, bachman.
Yeah, so so you started offwrestling.
(01:46):
How'd you get into the wholeboxing thing?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I mean, my dad was a professional boxer.
He trained seven worldchampions.
My mom got beat up real bad andgot it became a quadriplegic.
She was left in a wheelchairand my dad kind of turned my
house into a training camp.
My mom had to go somewhere elseto live because she couldn't be
taken care of, so had fightersin my house.
(02:09):
since I was I don't know sevenyears old all the way up through
my whole entire childhood intomy adulthood.
You know it was raised by like10 different men, two guys on
death row, like crazy, crazystuff.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
No shit.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, man, I've seen everything in my life growing up
and into into adulthood, so youknow I'm pretty well rounded
now.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I've seen it all, man , it's funny.
It's funny when you get a guylike you that you know.
Do you think that your, your,your street edge, helps you in
the business world?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'd fail without it.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
So I couldn't, I wouldn't be here.
Yeah because I think, I thinkI'm well rounded.
Where I'm like, I use thestreet, I use the box and stuff.
You know, like you, what do youwant to do?
You go into the red and, andyou know, very well educated,
and I had to talk to the rightguys.
Yeah, the right way.
(03:07):
And yeah and all just works out.
Because, look man, you know thetop guys that are only just
college educated and don't haveany street cred.
They want to be around someonethat that's been around it Right
.
And the other guys you need.
You need that because, if not,they're going to walk all over
you.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, and I also I also think that that you know,
you know growing up on thestreets and growing up poor, it
gives you you're a little bitmore real right, like, like and
and, and you recognize who'sreal and who's not.
A little bit.
It gives you that radar right Alittle bit.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
So much man Like I don't.
I don't talk fake, I don't dofake, I don't have fake around
me and when they are around me.
They're not around us for long.
I mean, I just want real Likeand if I'm messing up, tell me
I'm messing up.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Do we curse on this thing?
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.
So if I'm fucking up, tell meI'm fucking up.
Like, tell me, right, don'ttell somebody else I'm fucking
up.
Tell me I'm fucking up.
Yeah, you know, be real, I'mall about real, and if you're
not real, then fuck off.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah and that and that you know people
don't realize in in business.
You know it's like the tennisworld.
I always say it and I'vementioned in a couple of
podcasts, like when I go tothese, my daughter plays tennis.
So when you go to these, these,so I'll get into a lot less
issues with people at awrestling tournament, at a
jiu-jitsu tournament, than Iwill at a tennis tournament,
right?
So these tennis parents havenever been punching the fucking
(04:31):
face before.
So they talk to you and theyapproach you just the way they
approach you.
They don't even get that, thatsafe distance.
They get into your space alittle bit because they've never
been punching the fucking face.
That's I use that line all thetime.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And, like my wife says, why is that guy acting
like that?
Never been punching the fuckingface I'm punching the fucking
mouth, because if he did, hewouldn't be talking like that he
would there's no way he would,because I've been punching the
face by the baddestmotherfuckers in the world and I
won't ever talk like that, likeyou, just don't do it.
There's a certain people.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Right you when, when you are, you know when.
Again, when you're a guy who'sbeen through it and everything,
you learn to respect peoplebecause you demand respect Right
.
So it's it's kind of like youknow you wouldn't dare
disrespect somebody because inyour world you know you, you
wouldn't accept even you knowanybody disrespect you.
So you treat people.
I just find that you knowpeople have been through it, you
(05:26):
know, like yourself, it's justa different breed of person 100
percent man.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I mean I was out to dinner like two weeks ago with
my wife and this guy was actinglike a jerk off, like I mean of
jerk off to the waiter.
It was unbelievable and I waslike my man, I said why are you
treating this guy like that?
Man don't treat this guy likethat and he's just turning
around and minding his ownbusiness the whole night.
But I was like I was getting somad.
I was like yo, I want to punchthis guy in his mouth, like why
(05:53):
isn't he treating people?
All I'm saying is like why isso easy to treat people right
and people don't do it?
It's better, it's just, it'seasier, it's easier, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's easier, nice, be kind, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, I live on one thing and I know we're going to
talk about a bunch of shit butlive on, do the right thing,
like do the right thing.
Just do the right thing.
It's so much easier to do theright thing Because if you do
the wrong thing, you got toremember everything that you did
to cover up while you did thewrong thing.
Just do the right thing, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah yeah, I was a perfect example of that too.
I was we're in a meeting at a150 foot yacht.
It was a big, big dinner tableand when we were having dinner,
you know, high level, you knowthe story started.
So you know, I mean it's, it's,you know, all wealthy people,
the whole situation.
And there was a guy next to me,a yacht broker guy, right, so
(06:44):
fucking dressed like a yacht bro, you know, I'm dressed with
fucking pastels and shit.
You know, I'm like with the,with the sweater wrapped around,
that type of guy.
And you know we were alltalking and everything, and he's
sitting right next to him andhe threw just I had just met the
guy and he threw like like aninsult, you know, in my
direction and I'm like I look athim like that's, that's
interesting, like oh fuck, Idon't know, I don't know, you
(07:05):
know it's not, I don't know thisguy, for him to break that
barrier, you know I let it slide.
He says it again, you know.
And uh, right during themeeting I he was running, I
grabbed him, I put him to me andI whispered, real in his
fucking ear I go, dude, I'llknock you the fuck out.
You talk to me one more fuckingtime in front of everybody.
I'm gonna knock you the fuckout.
(07:25):
I look at it and I just keptthe fucking no, because again
that guy could think that he'syou know, just go out there and,
and, and, and, do whatever andsay whatever he wants.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
You know, man, and I think that's another reason why
you know, with the fighters Igot such a great relationship
with him, because they knowyou're that I've got punched in
the face.
Yeah, I'm not a promoter.
They just asked someone formoney to put a fight on.
Yeah, but I did bear an unclefights.
I did boxing, I did everything.
Yeah, I did it.
So I traded one respect yeah,because you know what it feels
(07:57):
like to taste a punch and Idon't like it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Have you had any issues with you, with the
fighter?
Because I mean, at the end ofthe day, listen, I grew up, you
know, in boxing, james, with aDita.
Dita's been with my kickboxingcoach, my, my, my, my since I
was what?
16 years old, you know.
So I know there's characters.
Yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
To to nose to noses and was like my man, don't touch
my nose, I'm gonna fuck out.
And I did.
I said look, you don'tunderstand, I will knock you to
fuck out, and I Sometimes forgetthat I'm 50.
Now Last thing to go is yourpunching power, so I will knock
them the fuck out, but that'swhat I said.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I don't know, man, can I still take a punch?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I used to take when I was 30 plus, like you know what
.
Maybe we should end this in myhead, only me.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Which is it?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
we shouldn't start banging that if one of my
fighters knocks me out, it'sprobably doesn't look really
good for me?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
No, it's not a good idea, probably not a good idea.
And speaking of that, tyson and, and what's his name?
Jake Paul.
Yeah, what do you think I mean?
I think it's the reflexessituation.
I don't think he's, I don'tthink at 60 years old You're not
gonna have the reflexes to getaway from a young man's punches.
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
It's so hard.
That's why I think a lot ofpeople are gonna tune in this,
because it's hard to say likeright.
You want to say Mike Tyson isgonna walk all over this kid,
yeah, but he's 50.
He'll be 58 years old, I think,at the time of the fight 58 is.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Reflexes are going man now look by the way.
He didn't have an easy lifeeither.
It's not up, it's not like aguy who's been eating fucking
vegan and doing yoga his wholelife.
You know what I mean?
I mean it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
If he crashed Jake Paul, he's probably gonna knock
him out.
Yeah but he has to get througheverything to get there and it's
not gonna be easy.
And you know a lot of peopleyou know talk shit on Jake Paul.
But listen, jake Paul isn't thebest fighter in the world
certainly not, but I mean he'slearning the job.
He's learning on the job.
He's getting better and betterevery fight man, yeah, he could
(09:47):
crack.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I mean, talk promoting ones, forget about it
there.
This kid's, this kid's a figuresecond to none.
Second to none.
It's crazy, but um, but yeah, Imean, but if we really think
about Tyson even and I get, I'ma huge, I'm a huge Tyson fan and
everything but if you thinkback on Tyson's even, hey, they,
I mean when he would get tested, you know he would, you know if
he's not the guy funny to gettested.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Teddy Atlas was one of his old trainers.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, he has a saying .
I forgot what it was.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
No, but he said, he just said the other day.
He said Mike Tyson's onlyreally been in four fights and
he lost all four of them.
Yeah, he said the ones that hegot pressured.
He lost everyone.
And now I don't necessarilyagree with that Because I mean
he's been him, not that hefolded when he got pressed, but
I think he's been in more thanfour fights.
I think he's been in somefights where he looked
(10:30):
sensational.
He's one of the hardestpunchers ever.
But he could be that, that bigbully that when he got backed up
, you know yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Go back the other way .
You know, yeah, it's, it's,it's and and it has it.
It has it in every sport, likeif you're the bully, you're
great bully, but if that bullystands up, you know the other
guy stands up to the bully andthen all of a sudden he's on his
heels.
You know that's a whole this, awhole different world.
So I don't know, man, that's,that's a tough one.
You're right, people are gonnatune it out.
I've never tuned into one ofthem.
I'm gonna tune into this one.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I'll watch it, a hundred percent I might even be
there.
No, really, I mean, I thinkit's a spectacle, I think it's
something that I would want tosay yeah, and usually I'm not
into this kind of stuff but,yeah, it's Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It is right, it is.
He got, he had.
I mean, dude, I remember when,back in the days when he would
fight, it was like it was likethe Super Bowl, it was like shit
would stop.
Oh, mike tight.
And you know, and you knew itwas a minute, you know 30
seconds, you know, but you stopto watch it, you know crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I remember watching him get knocked out by Buster
Douglas that night.
I remember Jim Lantley's voicego, mike Tyson has been knocked
out and I was like oh Holy shitI can't believe this just
happened.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
We never thought it was gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah right, it was crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah.
So business wise man, how thefuck did you do this?
How the fuck did like, in five,in five years, six years, right
yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You know it takes.
What is it?
What's that?
Well, it takes a whole lifetimeto become an overnight success.
I mean, I understand that part,so I know it's been more than
that.
But as far as the company'sconcerned, man like I mean, what
the fuck?
It's crazy, I mean you, youpaint yourself sometimes like
what the hell's going on here?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You know, I don't, I don't have time to really
because?
No, because, listen, peopledon't see the lows, right, the
lows, and building this thing,and I don't show them the lows.
But there's a lot of lows manand all the time because I'm
dealing with the lows to getback to the highs.
So I don't have time to reallylook at that every once in a
while.
What I do do is I Google BKFC,right, and I just look at all
the stuff that people talkedabout it and the articles and I
(12:24):
was like damn, we builtsomething unbelievable here,
because if you are sittinginside, like my one buddy said,
dave, you gotta step out of thejar sometimes and I'm like what
are you talking?
about he's like you live in thisjar.
Every once in a while step outof the jar and read the label so
you know.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You see what you built because if you don't, I
like that.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
You know you can't really work as hard because
you're like you get frustratedtoo easy, but I'm like we are
building something special.
I've read some of the thingsthat says can it be the next UFC
?
We're probably never gonna bethe next UFC.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Why you say that, though I'm just saying you have
seen is a juggernaut it's.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It'll take a lot for us to get to be the next UFC.
I think that we can be thedifferent sports.
I mean, I'm just saying adifferent sport, but I think we
can be the second biggest combatsport promotion in the world.
Hands down, no doubt.
Yeah and if I would have saidthat five years ago, people
would have probably put me in apadded room.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You know why I this.
You know why I disagree withyou there, and I'm a huge MMA
fan and everything but um I,there's still a lot.
There's still more boxing fansthan there are MMA fans today.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Well, listen, you agree with that one, though you
could be right.
Here's the thing forget boxingand forget MMA.
Let's talk about whyeverybody's watching BKFC.
Because it's relatable, because, guess what, if I go out and
ask and I do it all the timewith investors I ask people in
the room, I go do you know whatOoma Pilata is?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you knowwhat a Kamora Choke is.
(13:44):
No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You know what a bare knuckle punch is.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yes, yes yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Every man, woman, little child, old man, old woman
, black, white, chinese,hispanic doesn't matter, they
all know what a bare knucklepunch is, they all get it.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
You don't need to explain it to anybody, you don't
need to be there and go.
Oh no, he just took them downand that's the point.
You don't need to do any ofthat.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
But even more than that, the fans relate to it
because they kind of say, man, Iwonder if I could have done
that when I was younger, rightlike it's a bare knuckle punch,
and in a different way, just inlife.
They get up every morning andthey get punched in the fucking
face by life and they have tosay am I gonna lay back down or
am I gonna keep going every day?
And I think that's why theyrelate to bare knuckle more than
(14:27):
any other combat sport outthere.
And why do I say that it mightnot be as big?
Only because I don't know thelongevity of all the athletes,
and once I know that in the nexttwo or three years Got it, then
I'll know if it can be that big.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, and it's like, you know, it's the car accident
thing too, with fighting ingeneral, right, nobody ever
walks by a fighting.
Oh, you guys are fighting andjust keeps on going.
Everybody stops.
I mean, dude, on 72nd Avenue,the Starbucks on 72nd and US1, I
was with my son the other dayand, dude, two guys just start
fucking beating the shit out ofeach other almost on the middle
(15:00):
of the road.
I mean I parked my car and Ijust sat with my son and we just
watched the whole thing.
I mean it was a lot for StreetFight, it was long because they
kept on falling and getting upand then they ended up falling
into US1.
I mean it was crazy.
So nobody walks through a fight, you know, walks by a fight,
and again.
So back to my theory on why I'mgonna respectfully disagree with
(15:22):
you on BKFC.
You know, being bigger isbecause there's still a lot more
boxing fans out there, a lotmore than MMA fans.
So in theory, if you captureall of those guys' imagination,
now boxing is doing a horriblejob at boxing, right?
I mean?
And the system that works isthe UFC system that you're the
(15:45):
one running it, you're the onepromoting, you're the one that
wakes up every day in themorning and worries about the
business, right?
That's the formula that'sworking.
So you're gonna it just makessense that you're gonna capture
all those eyes, right, I mean?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
boxing got contaminated right.
It got contaminated by the badpeople and there's a lot of bad
people in it and look, there's alot of bad people everywhere.
But we created our ownecosystem.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
We created everything inside of us and it can't be
contaminated, and it can't becontaminated, and when it gets
contaminated, that's when I'mout.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
It's like it's not gonna get contaminated under my
watch and we're gonna always dothe right thing.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So listen, I'm not gonna argue with you tell me I'm
gonna be the bigger than theUFC man.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But I'm just saying I see us comfortably being in the
number two position in combatsports in two years, hands down
comfortably.
I really I don't see anythingelse out there like it.
And I tell you why it's becauseof what I said to relatability,
but it's cause of the sound too, just that, whoa, yeah,
everybody does it.
So talk about what you saidabout the car act.
(16:45):
I mean when you saw someonebanging on the street right
Fighting each other on thestreet.
When you go to a basketball gameand there's a fight in the
stands, what do you look at?
The game or to fight.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Forget that when you go to a World Heavyweight Boxing
Championship and a fight breaksout in the stands, what do you
watch?
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's a good point.
You watch the fight in thestands.
You watch the fist fight.
Did you hear the other day DanaWhite talking about the fight
and the brawl in the stands inMexico?
Did?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
you hear his commentary on it.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
There was a huge brawl in the.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I heard that.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So what he says was he goes dude.
It's the fucking craziest thingI ever seen.
Security never stopped it,nobody.
The fight ended.
When the fight ended Likepeople just got exhausted, went
back to their seats, got theirbeers and just kept on drinking.
That's crazy.
Like they didn't even fuck withit.
Like he's like hey, it'sMexican.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know what, sometimes I think that that
might be the way to do it, causeit seems like sometimes the
security just makes people getmore hype.
Listen, I don't suggest it.
I'm going to be over secure.
You know, I have more securitythan we need, but I'm saying
maybe that's the way to do it?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, have you seen that video on Instagram that
there's two dogs barking at eachother like fucking, and then
the gate opens and then bothdogs just stop barking.
It's pretty much.
How many times have you?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
seen that, though A security guy holding back that A
guy goes this and they pullaway and they go like whoa.
But it's about to get real.
I'm out of here.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
That's it.
So what do you see in like whatshort-term goals?
What are you looking at?
Long-term goals I meanlong-term goals is worldwide,
right.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, I mean listen, we're like I said, we started
June 2nd 2018.
We did our first show in ahockey rink, a little hockey
rink in Cheyenne, Wyoming, about1500 people in attendance.
We're doing shows now eight to10,000 people consistently.
We've tomorrow in Miami will beour fifth straight sellout this
(18:44):
year, so we're selling out allthe time which.
We're getting bigger and bettersponsors on board.
We're getting bigger and betterTV networks that want to talk to
us now Bigger athletes, biggernames, better names, better
sponsors, better venues, bettereverything.
So where are we gonna end up, Imean, I think, in two years,
where there's nothing else thatcan touch us?
(19:05):
Like I said, the UFC I don'tsee anything else out there that
can really touch us in twoyears.
I know the other guys are gonnado their things, but it doesn't
have that like oh shit moment,like we have right, it just
doesn't have it.
And you hear that sound andyou're like whoa and people
continuously get engaged.
And the biggest thing aboutbaronuckle fighting is once you
(19:26):
watch it once it's hard to watchsomething else you become a fan
for life.
It's gotta get in the watchthat first time and it's over.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
When you talk about Lowe's, because I mean, look, I
have a company 2008 was my Lowe.
I mean they was just as low asLowe can get.
When you talk about Lowe's, wasthere a point where you're like
, fuck dude, this is like eitherI get this done or I'm done?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I mean, look so my mom, as I mentioned, was a
quadriplegic.
She got beat up really bad.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Was it a jacking or was it a go?
What do you mean?
Beat up really bad.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
She was dating some guy.
He beat her up really badthroughout her car ran her over
Jesus and I left her as aquadriplegic for the rest of her
life.
And she like did everything likeas a quadriplegic, went to
college, wrote poems, but thebig thing that gets me is she
had a paintbrush in her mouthand she painted these beautiful
flowers with her mouth and Ihave them hanging in my office
(20:24):
and every time like it getsrough, I'm like man.
Look at what my mom did.
But back in 2016, november2016,.
You know, I was at my lowest oflows.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I got so 60, we're talking about almost, yeah,
eight years ago.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Eight years ago I was at my lowest point.
I've really ever been out in mylife.
I got diagnosed with cancer.
I got turned down by anotherstate.
I got turned down by 28 statestotal in Barranaco.
But I got turned down byanother one.
I was dead fucking broke.
I had $262 in my name, Like Iwas dead fucking broke and I was
(20:59):
shit at home.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
And you weren't no spring chicken at that time
either.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Shit at home wasn't going good.
It just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
You know, I wasn't a depressed person Nights crying
because I'm fucking tell youright now, I spent a lot of
nights crying, fucking duringyou know, crying like crying and
crying and crying I had.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It was a bad day.
I drove to the Comerbery Bridge, which is about half hour from
my house, got out of my car, Igrabbed it, man, it was freezing
cold.
Man.
I remember the steel wasfreezing cold and I lifted the
leg up and I was just gonna jump, man.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
What's up, so I saw.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
I saw my mom's picture.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Man, I saw my mom's picture and I was like you're
like, just push the way and shecould do it and I'm back in the
car and I said man, I said I'mnever gonna be here again, I'm
gonna be the biggest fuckingthing I can ever be.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
No one ever stopped me.
Blah, blah, blah this wholefucking thing crying my eyes out
, man.
And I got that video.
I watched it like once a monthand what video I never took.
I took a video of myself in thecar.
Holy shit, when I got back tothe car, because I was like man,
like I was crying, like I waslike I got home and you know, I
talked to my wife and she waslike I didn't know, you know you
(22:02):
were going through that stuffand actually I didn't tell her
for like two days.
I didn't tell her for like twodays and she's like what, I had
no idea.
It was just, you know, youdon't know everybody's story
right, and it was just, it was abad day.
It was a really bad fucking day.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And was it something in business that it was?
It was at that day or like fuck, you got just got hit with and
got kicked with balls, justeverything.
Just kind of woke up in themorning.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Cancer dead broke, thinking the business I'm
working on is just gonna be shit.
Arguing with my wife going andjust being like fuck this man?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
What were you doing at that time?
What'd you do before this?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I was promoting fights also.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
But your whole life.
That's what you'd done.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
No, I owned two bars.
Two bars.
I did a lot of shit.
I did everything.
Entrepreneur, entrepreneur,every fucking thing, but I it
was.
You know, I lost my second barbecause I kind of got fucked by
the township.
I was redoing something andthey wouldn't approve the zoning
and I shut it down and I gotscrewed and I was, I was just
dead broke, man, I was deadbroke.
You think it's.
No one ever gave me shit so Iwasn't going to ask.
(22:57):
I had pride the size of fuckingyou know the Atlantic Ocean.
I couldn't ask anybody foranything.
I couldn't because my wife hadmoney.
I couldn't ask her for itbecause I'm like who the fuck
kind of fucking guy asks hiswife for money.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Like I couldn't do it .
So I was like fuck it, let mejust jump off this fucking
bridge and I ain't got to worryabout shit anymore.
And I didn't.
And I'm so thankful that Ididn't, so thankful that I saw
that picture on my head, becauseif I didn't, you know, I
wouldn't have been there, Iwouldn't have built this, I
wouldn't have Like literally thepicture of your mom popped up
in your head, like that'spicture of her flowers Of the
(23:30):
flowers of the flowers.
These roses and I was like Likeliterally that, just like if it
was a cartoon, it would havejust popped up in a little
bubble and I was like shepainted this with her mouth.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Because she couldn't even walk.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, and I said what I'm quitting, right, I'm
fucking quitting and I rememberI just pushed away and I was,
like you know, crying.
I got in the car and I'm cryingand I'm like all right, so
retake.
And I did it again because Iwas like crying and I got the
video, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And that video is what you talking to yourself, or
you're talking to your mom Notto myself Talking to yourself,
to myself.
Have you posted that videoanywhere.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
No, I won't, you won't.
No, I never posted.
That's personal to me now.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah.
I mean look Don't lose itthough Shit If I sell it for
Safe part of that thing.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
If I sell it for nine zeros, you know, and I'm happy
and content, right, not withmoney, but I'm happy and content
as a human being and I feellike I accomplished what I need
to accomplish in life and thatwas, you know, going past all my
obstacles.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And if I do that, maybe I will, because I really
think that video changed a lotof people's life.
Yeah, I'm not ready to show ityet?
Yeah, just not ready to yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Now do you think also that the, the, the, the let's
call it the failure and the, the, the, the bar business?
Because the way I look, Ididn't go to school for business
, right, every kick in the nutsI like I haven't, I haven't come
around to it, but I want to putlike a diploma on my.
It says school of hard knocksFucking right, because I fucking
learned everything just bymaking them.
It's like Edison, he said Ijust ran out of wrong ways to do
(24:55):
the light bulb.
You know what I mean?
I didn't figure out the rightway.
I fucking ran out of wrong waysto do the light bulb.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, so, you think that thosefailures are would you be here,
right now if it wasn't for thosefailures Not a chance in the
world.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
But I mean, it's funny because a lot of people
say can you tell me you knowwhat's the path to success?
How'd you succeed?
How'd you succeed?
I said I'm not.
I can't tell you how Isucceeded.
I'm going to tell you how, justdon't quit Great how I learned
from every single failure.
Well, here's the two things.
I say the, the two major things, and when I explained the whole
thing, you'll really understandPatience and don't quit.
(25:26):
Now, of course you're going tosay yeah, I get it, but really
I'm going to explain it to you?
Speaker 1 (25:29):
No, I'm going to explain it to you.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
You're driving down this long ass road and you know
that the destination is downthat road, but you can't see it
and you go fuck this man.
I'm turning around, you turnaround, you quit.
It was five minutes down theroad.
You never made it.
Yeah, you didn't have thepatience not to quit.
I mean.
So you, you quit If you have thepatience enough to go after
your dream, but if you do, yougot the patience enough to go
(25:53):
after your dream and go afterwhat you want in life and you
don't quit.
You have to make it.
I mean I'm not saying you haveto be what, what I'm doing, what
you're doing, what Serge isdoing, but I mean, if you're, if
your goal is just let me payoff my house in 10 years, well,
if you have that patience to doit and you have a plan to do it,
you're going to do it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, right, yeah, but like so, if, if, somebody
takes a snapshot of you, likeright after, like the bars
failed and everything like that,it's felt them in.
A good business man?
Probably not.
I mean he failed that.
You know a pretty solidbusiness, right.
But that's the thing that whatpeople don't realize is that you
know a lot of people go toschool for this shit, like they
go to Harvard and this, and that, like you know, like you, we,
(26:35):
us guys, that started fromscratch.
You, you, you, you learn.
That's the only way you'relearned.
There's no, there's noprofessor to call me.
Like who the fuck are you goingto call and say, hey, how do I?
What book are you going to readto Billy?
How do I start up bare knuckleand make it into a billion
dollar company.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I started this big food festival business when shit
wasn't going that good, Istarted.
I was always resourceful, Ialways figured something out.
So I started this food festivalbusiness, going into a story
about this.
So I started this food festivalbusiness and I got my son
involved with me and he's likean ace.
He's unbelievable, right.
Never gave my son a dime ever.
(27:10):
Like literally might've gavehim $20 or $100.
I never gave him any real money.
I gave him opportunity.
The kid fucked me, fuck me,like we joke about it now.
He fucked me for two semesterspretending he went to college
and went to work every day righthere.
We went to college.
He wasn't going to college.
He's now the top 1% earners inPennsylvania.
(27:32):
Wow, never, ever, ever went tocollege.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, so College is overrated, I mean, unless you're
gonna be a doctor and engineer,you maybe have to.
But it is Like in my world,like both of my kids are
athletes, I wanted to go toschool.
I wanted to go just because Iwant them to compete, you know.
But yeah, I don't, I don't, Ijust don't, I don't see it.
I mean, like you know it's, youknow, man, I graduated with a
1.5 GPA and I'm, you know, I'mdoing all right, and I'm You're
(27:59):
doing good in graduate.
Actually, I graduated the yearbefore they switched to a 2.0,
so I would probably stillfucking been there trying to
figure out how to get to 2.0.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I'm not discouraging people from going to college.
You want to go to college?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's okay, you can say it no, but I mean that.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Look, if you go to college, you want to be a doctor
, you want to be a lawyer.
You want to be an accountant,you have to have that to create
a.
Do that, do it.
But I mean nothing substitutehard work.
Nothing in the world cansubstitute hard work.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Nothing, well, and and, and I just think that if
you're going to teach your kidsanything, it's just to be tough,
right, cause you got to be ableto survive, you got to be able
to survive Resilience grit,right, grit, 100%.
So that's, that's the stuff,cause people don't realize.
Like you know, man, like youknow, yeah, you said it right
(28:46):
now.
Oh, yeah, you know, uh.
And then the bar second barclosed, but you got to put if,
if we were doing a movie onFeldman, right, there's probably
a whole fucking 20 minutes onthe day.
The bar closed and you're theresitting like what the fuck am I
going to do?
Like why can't I figure thisout?
Because I remember thinkinglike bro, why can that guy do it
?
And I can't do it.
You know what I mean.
(29:06):
Like like that, that, that low,that at night, and feeling like
a fucking loser and just tryingto figure out and what is it.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I want to tell you this when I tell you like I
didn't have enough money to buya fucking sandwich, Like I
really did.
Like when the bar closed, thenI fast forward to when I was
going to jump.
But when the bar closed Ididn't have shit, Like I wanted
to go to my dad and be like you.
Okay, I have 20 bucks to buysome 20 bucks.
You're a fucking loser,motherfucker.
Man how the fuck did you get?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
yourself here.
But I tell people all the time,man, you know, I went from
flying my own plane, right, Igot my, I got my pilot license,
flying my own plane to all myoffices and shit like that, to
like rationing out my food tolast you know a week, because I
didn't, I wasn't a check comingin.
But never once I'm telling youthis is this is what I tell
(29:57):
people all the time.
Never, once, ever, that I saidthat I, that the quitting come
into the picture.
It just fucking did it.
I'm not trying to act up, itfucking did it.
And obviously it didn't withyou either.
You know what I'm saying.
That one, you got one Cause.
Look, I had a panic attack atthe airport.
I had a panic attack at theairport.
I mean, if I had a chance tojump out anywhere, I would have
jumped that day.
I remember crying like, oh, myGod, like you know.
(30:18):
So listen, whoever hasn't hadthat in business, that panic,
you know it's, it's, it's.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
You haven't been in business long enough to put it
that way, and I think thatprepped me for what I'm going
through now.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Right, that's the point right.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
The whole world sees BKFC and says, man, it's the
biggest thing out there.
It's, you know, one of thebiggest things out there.
But there's struggles there.
There's struggles every dayfunding it and getting this
event Right, but none of thoseobstacles Because we're
expanding.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Right, but none of those obstacles are bigger than
the fucking day the bar closedNever, and you're like a fucking
zero.
Never, ever, right, likethere's nothing, never fucking
ever.
There's, there's.
There's a saying in Scarface,right, when Scarface said
there's nothing that that, uh,nothing you can do to me that
Castro hasn't already done.
Right, it's like you know, it'sa fucking most quarter movie
ever.
I heard Right Like, but if youthink about it like there's
(31:02):
nothing anybody can do to me,that you know that there's
nothing in business right now,that's going to hurt more than
those two days that we mentioned, I'm sure there's others, you
know, never there's.
Oh, you lost an investor or Idon't know One of the.
You had that.
You had that fight.
I know you guys were allstressed out.
Remember, I served as one of mybest friends in the world.
So I hear, even though I justmet you, like dude I'm, you know
(31:23):
, I have stories or stories.
You lived with me for years.
I have, you know, the, the, the, that that day, that, the, the,
the, they canceled that, um,delray Beach, when they canceled
the whole fucking right, dude,I'm like, oh my God, I'm
stressing for you guys.
I'm like what the dude?
That those are the things,right, but but again, nothing
compares, you know it and itgets better.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
It does because, like two years ago, anything bad
that happened three years ago,we'll say it was a knife in me.
It was like fuck man, I don'tknow how I'm going to survive
this Now I'm like I got a showon Friday.
It costs about growth, Not nottomorrow's show, but in general.
I got a show on Friday to costa million bucks and I got a
hundred thousand on Wednesdayand I'm like I'll find it, I'll
(32:06):
find it in two days, and I findit every fucking time I find it.
I just figured it out and makeit happen and now luckily we're
not in that position that wewere there.
But I mean, there were dayslike, listen, I did a huge fight
at Wembley Arena in London.
I flew to England without any,without a dime $780,000 for that
(32:27):
car.
I didn't have a dime, Didn'thave a dime, literally had, I
think, about 300 bucks in ourbusiness account.
And this company came in andbought us and they didn't fund
us in time and I'm like, fuck,what we're gonna do.
So I'm like, hey, listen, I'llgive you all my shares.
Give me the money.
If I can't pay you back, youkeep all my shares.
I'll figure something out.
(32:48):
I've mortgaged every singleshare I had of the company.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
So there's another thing that we haven't talked
about right Balls, all right,balls, like what, like.
So, if you had to, so again,you know, if we're doing
anything today, it's kind offiguring out the mind of a
businessman, yeah, man, the mindof somebody who started from
scratch, and the grit that ittakes right, sure, so like the
(33:11):
balls, the self-confidence andthe balls right, because you
gotta just believe in yourself.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
But I don't know if it's self-confidence all the
time, because I do doubt myself.
It's like I go, man, how do Iget in this position again?
But I go and then I go.
You know, there's that shoulderand this shoulder goes, man
fuck him, man you're gonna finda way.
You're gonna find a way, butit's balls because they say it's
a quote that says anentrepreneur jumps out of a
plane and builds a parachute onthe way down.
(33:38):
Right, you just do.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I'm definitely stealing that one, but you
figure it out, man, I fuckinglove that one.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
I love that one, you do, you figure it out, man, and
I haven't figured it out yetcompletely, but we're figuring
it out every day, every fight,every day, every weigh-in, every
press conference, every signingOn the table?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
We're doing it.
We're doing it.
Putting in chips on the tableevery month, just going all in.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And it's funny.
The worst thing that's gonnahappen is people are gonna talk
bad about me who gives a fuck?
But three years ago it was likea knife, like every time
someone said he sucks or thatbusiness sucks.
You're past that stage.
Fuck yourself, man.
You're past that stage rightnow.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
The hurt now is nowhere near compared to those.
And now it's just about growthand I just made a mistake.
It is Right, but then again,how does somebody a street guy
who has failed in businesspretty much till right now what
comes together right Like it's afascinating thing.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
So all of us dude, you're in high-level business,
you're an internationalhigh-level business right now,
every single person thatinvested into me and I got a lot
of investment into me now, theyall said it or invested in you.
It was my passion.
I just sold my passion.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And I invested in the company, invested in you.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Look, I think Paranacal is cool but if it was?
This guy over here doing it, Iwouldn't invest in it.
I'm investing in you.
I see your passion and I can'tquit.
Like I can't quit Because mydad always told me I was gonna
be shit in life.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I can't quit.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Like that's one of the reasons, like I'm like he
ain't fucking right and I'mgonna show him every day he
ain't right and I can't quit.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, that's another motivation for you.
You got a lot of little thingsthat you dig deep when you're in
there and you're like I diglook, I went to therapy, the
whole thing.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
I had a fucked up child Dude.
I had so much shit going on.
You don't even know and I don'twanna go into it now.
But I mean fucked up childhoodand I just wanna.
I wanna be able to make itbetter for other people that
have to go through this kind ofjourney and are fucked up and
give them confidence that theycan do it.
I mean, that's really we justtalked about it when we ate,
serge.
I said I wanna change people'slives.
(35:48):
Right, like I said, why are youdoing this to one of the girl
fighters?
She goes I wanna changepeople's lives.
I wanna tell them that they cando it and I go.
Every one of my interviews I go, they go.
What's your number one goal?
I said I wanna change people'slives.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Dude, let me tell you something.
So we do I'm a board member andLittle Abner Foundation, right.
So Little Abner Foundation, wedo stuff for sports and
everything like that, right,which is cool archery, taekwondo
, wrestling, the whole thing butevery year we take a bunch of
terminally ill, a lot ofquadriplegic kids to Disney.
Last week yeah, this is ourseventh year fucking doing it.
(36:22):
I get goosebumps just fuckingthinking about it, cause, if you
really wanna realize, it goesback to your story on that and
you know, when you see your momwith a fucking paintbrush and
everything, it's like when yousee these kids and I'm gonna try
to not get emotional through it, because but it's when you see
these kids that didn't doanything wrong, right, didn't
make a mistake, didn't doanything, and they're in a
(36:42):
fucking wheelchair.
A lot of them are orphans,quadriplegic and terminally ill.
So we had to take and again,all the credit or role.
You know he's the architect ofthis and he's the one putting
his fucking ambulance company,putting everything right.
But we're taking them in afleet of ambulances, basically,
cause they, dude, two of themcouldn't even make it Last year.
(37:03):
A couple of them died beforecause we do it once a year,
right.
Then two of them died afterthat.
But if you sit there and yousee these kids I'm talking about
, I'm talking about little kids,bro, you know, and their and
their and their wheelchairs,just, and some of them could
barely smile, but you can see,as when Disney comes out, mickey
comes out, they see that smile.
You want to feel like a fuckingpussy?
Go to one of those go to one ofthose events and push the
(37:25):
wheelchairs and you'll be like.
You know what dude?
Nothing is hard.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
So back when I was promoting boxing, I did a fight
for this kid named Paul Kress.
He was dying of cystic fibrosisand I brought him to the fight
and we did this whole entirefoundation around him and the
only thing I could not stopnoticing is he had the biggest
smile in the fucking room, likehe was facing death literally in
three months, and he couldn'tstop smiling.
(37:50):
And my kids were complainingabout everything and I was like
you little motherfuckers, lookat this kid, he's facing death
and he's smiling.
And you're complaining that,that you don't have this or you
don't have this.
What are you guys doing, man?
You know like it puts life intoperspective what they're going
through, would you?
You know what?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
feeding tubes.
Feeding tubes, I mean, likewhat do you call those bags?
for sure, those bags and that'swhy I take my kids there to push
the wheelchairs.
I mean that's our yearly reset.
That's awesome, like push awheelchair of a kid that can't
walk, and it's going to reallymake you appreciate shit, man.
And that's part of life isreally understanding how lucky
(38:32):
we are Because, look, we've hada tough, but you know it's.
We have life and every day youknow we're just getting better
and better and you know, so felt, man, you got to go, man, so
you got to get any, not man.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
It was great talking.
I love having these real talks,to be honest with you, because
it puts things in perspectiveFor me, even today, as I'm going
through struggles today and I'mlike man, the fuck am I worried
about?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Listen, we're rooting for you.
All right, You're one of theguys that you're looking at Like
you, just fucking.
I don't know.
I don't know if it's.
Maybe I'm a little closerbecause you know I'm hearing a
little more stuff and everything.
We're fucking rooting for you,man, and every time you hit a
home run, we're fucking happyfor you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I appreciate it, man.
Keep on doing what you're doing, buddy.
Appreciate it, man.
All right man.
Thank you.
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