August 30, 2023 • 35 mins
Welcome to another episode of Real Estate Talk, where we navigate the complex intersections of business, real estate, and law. In today's world, it's become crucial to comprehend the shifting sands of the US Constitution and how it plays out as we battle the pandemic. With states rebelling against stay-at-home orders, we examine how business owners like a Texas hair salon owner, as well as industry magnates like Elon Musk, are exercising their rights and pushing back against crippling shutdowns. We also discuss the Wisconsin Supreme Court's decision against the extension of the shelter order, raising thought-provoking questions about the balance between public safety and personal freedom.
As we dig deeper, we take a critical look at the government's police powers. We discuss how the Constitution and its amendments are being tested during this crisis, with businesses caught in the crossfire. With data leading the way, we explore the potential outcomes - another shutdown or the lifting of restrictions – and the wider implications for society. Touching on the harsh realities of economic recessions and depressions, we throw light on the underreported increase in suicides, domestic violence, and child maltreatment.
Taking a hard look at the hospitality industry, we debate the challenging task of maintaining safety standards in restaurants, especially with the 50% capacity rule. Further, we explore the heated controversy surrounding mask-wearing – a symbol of scientific safety for some and a sign of economic suppression for others. We ask, are we becoming a germaphobic society or is this the new normal? Lastly, we draw parallels with times gone by, comparing our current struggles to those faced by previous generations. Stay tuned for an enlightening discussion on how we, like the soldiers in Normandy, navigate uncharted territory to face unprecedented danger.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
All right, guys, what episode is this?
They're like we're up therealready.
12 or 13.
No, 12 for sure, 13.
Well, yeah, it could be 12 orcould be 13.
I don't know, we'll find outeither.
12 or 13 guys, all right.
So, um, I tell you what one ofmy favorite oh yeah, welcome to
real estate talk, real estatepodcasts.
(00:24):
Yeah, I always got to rememberto say that my name.
There we go.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm a little tired guys.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I haven't slept.
I haven't slept well.
I didn't sleep well last night.
Um, so, yeah, what?
What are my?
Our favorite podcast that wehad?
Because, um, it's kind of likewe we did it almost at the
beginning of the of the Coronavirus thing right, where we had
Richard on um, just when thisshit started hitting the fan and
and we kind of went throughlike different scenarios that
(00:50):
that could happen and and, uh,why they would happen and how
they would happen.
And man and Richard, richardand I are in a, are in a in a
group chat there.
That's that's uh, I mean, I'meverybody's like five years old
on it, you know, or at least weact five years old on it.
But, um, one of the things we dois bombard each other with with
, uh, with news articles, ofeverything that comes in.
(01:11):
So, man, little by little, allthe stuff that we talked about,
every single thing aboutbusiness owners, you know, kind
of fighting back and opening upanyway, about states, kind of
fighting back.
You know we had that inWisconsin and in and in Texas we
had that salon, um, you know,owner, that, that, that, uh that
went out and said you know what?
(01:32):
I'm not going to close down,they went and send her to jail.
She took the jail time.
Then what?
the governor the governoractually offered to pay her, uh,
her, fine, and the I believe itwas the um, uh, the, the uh
attorney general of Texasactually went and and got it,
got it, did whatever he had todo to get her out, right, and
(01:53):
then, and then, ted Cruz whichis what the Senator, senator
from Texas, senator from Texaswent and got a haircut with her,
which, which, uh, you know, uh,we also saw, you know in in in
California, which basically issaying they're going to stay
closed till like 2025.
Um, elon Musk said hey, listen,I'm going to open up.
You want to arrest me?
You could arrest me.
(02:13):
Um, they ended up backing off,which is interesting.
Um, and in Wisconsin, whatexact, richard?
What exactly happened inWisconsin?
The, the, the Supreme courtbasically said you, you're not,
you're not obligated to stay, orthey told them that you don't
have the right for the stay athome orders.
Is that basically what happened?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, what?
What happened was that thestate's governor issued an
executive order extending thethe shelter orders that he had
previously put in place.
Um, and the Supreme courtstruck down the extension of the
shelter order, which basicallyterminated it.
(02:50):
Um, as of uh, as of the uhmoment, the court ruled Right.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Because another thing that happened, you know, while
we were, you know, between thatlast podcast and this one, is
that the, the attorney generalof the United States, said hey,
we're starting to getdangerously close to, uh, to um,
you know, I guess, affectingour, our constitutional rights.
So what it seems to me likeRichard, like if tell me if I'm
(03:17):
understanding this correctly,okay, cause I'm, I'm not an
attorney and not even close toone Okay, um, what, what I think
happened was that in in a, inshort, in a short term, like in
a week or two, for a, for theterm of a week or two, it was
kind of okay constitutionally,cause it was like kind of an
emergency situation.
But if you want to startextending it, then it becomes
(03:40):
almost like an issue with theconstitution and and and and our
rights.
Is that basically what I'm,that I understand that correctly
?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, you know, um, I mean that's, it's a, that's a,
obviously a grandoversimplification, but but it,
you know, it hits the.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I don't know that's a is that a compliment.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
He said grand man, that's pretty big.
Hey, thank you All right, justin case.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah right, fuck you or thank you.
So Chairwoman you want to take,I don't know Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Um, you know, the government, at all levels a
state, local, federal um, theyhave what's called police powers
.
Now, when, when we say policepowers, we don't really mean,
you know, police officers withbadges and cars with lights on,
we mean this inherent authorityto enact restrictions, basically
(04:33):
for the public good.
Okay, and so, um, the way thatthey get to doing that is
through various, uh,declarations of emergency.
Okay, so you know, if there isa sufficient emergency, the
government can enact martial law.
We put soldiers out on thestreets and then you know
there's curfews and youabsolutely can't go out, and you
(04:54):
know you may not be able tospeak, and you know who knows,
right.
So now, the thing is that allevery encroachment on a
constitutionally protected righthas to pass what we call a
scrutiny test.
Okay, and so if we were inlitigation about these things
and somebody were to file alawsuit saying, hey, you know
(05:15):
the the order to close mybusiness is a constitutional
overreach Right, we have to findan amendment right, A
constitutional right that isaffected by an order to close
your business.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So which?
Which are what, which are whatthere has to be some Well.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I was about to say that.
I was about to say that.
So if we could ask the audience, right, if we could say, hey,
who knows what, uh amendment,right, we would travel under.
What would we say was beingviolated?
If they tell you you can't openyour business?
And I think it's the uh, theright to the pursuit of
happiness right, life, libertyand the pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Well, I think, life and liberty.
Well, liberty for sure, libertyfor sure, life.
I mean, you got to make aliving.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
No, no, no no, I mean again, semantics, okay, but,
but, um, but probably thepursuit of happiness, because
you can't argue, you're notliving right, like no one's
really going to die because thebusiness is closed.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So uh, but again we're digressing.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
We're digressing, but the point is you pick an
amendment under which you'regoing to travel, and then the
judge, but the court'sobligation is to assess whether
or not the restriction isreasonably tied to some
prevailing public policyinterest, such that the
government's encroachment onthat right can be justified.
(06:34):
Okay, so in the immediateaftermath, as we discussed back
then, all of these things areprobably constitutionally
permissible and it would be anabsolute waste of anyone's time
to try and question that at thattime, at a time when we don't
have sufficient data, we don'tknow the scope of the disease,
we know very little about how itaffects people, we don't know
(06:55):
how many people have it.
I mean, there were so manyunknowns that it would be a
loser all day.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Right, but things don't change.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Right.
Well, so what happens is thatafter two months, you know, so
you know it's like listen, ifthe objective was to flatten the
curve, and you know the curveis more or less flattened and,
by the way, it's not flattenedin any way, in any place except
New York.
So if you take New York,whereas previously there was
only a spike because of New York, now, if you take New York out
of the models, you'll see thatthe numbers are going up.
(07:26):
It's literally everywhere else.
Now, does that justify anothershutdown?
No, because, remember, theshutdown initially was not about
preventing spread, it was aboutnot overwhelming the health
system.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Okay, and so which everybody's everybody's
reporting.
The hospitals are at 50%capacity.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Right, correct, correct and so and so again.
So the more data we have, youknow, to suggest that you know
many more people have beeninfected than we knew about.
So you know we may be a lotcloser to a herd immunity than
we previously thought, or thatthe mortality rate is not as bad
as we previously thought, orour ability to handle it from an
(08:10):
infrastructure perspective.
You know, once these thingsstart creating balance again,
then it becomes more and moredifficult for these restrictions
to survive to kind of scrutinywe were just describing.
Right, the scale start to tipin the other direction, where
people need to get out there andwork, et cetera, et cetera.
(08:32):
You know, out we lost him.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I think it's a good point actually he's, he's
again, it's about that adultdecision that has to be made,
and that's kind of what he issaying.
Is that tipping that scrutinytest is kind of that whole same
thing.
Got what we're going to say?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like.
What I'm understanding is that,like at the beginning, nobody
knew what was going on.
Now everybody kind of knowswhat's going on.
You've almost picked aside, youknow, and it's crazy to say,
but you know there is sides tothis.
There's the let's stay shutdown forever.
Every you know no life is worth.
You know any dollar amount,which I agree on, but those type
(09:15):
of those people are notcounting that there's going to
be an effect in life.
Of course, by by every economicrecession or depression or any
collapse has brought in tons ofdeaths with suicides Over 1000%,
yeah and domestic violence,child molestation kids that are
(09:37):
substance, substance abuse,substance abuse skyrockets,
hunger skyrockets.
There's a lot of kids, I mean, Igot, I have friends that are
you know they're, they'reteachers and principals and
everything.
And how many kids are that that?
There's a lot of kids thattheir only meals come from
school.
Yeah, they eat there.
They eat, they eat breakfast,they eat lunch.
They probably ask their friendsfor the leftovers and they fill
(09:59):
themselves up and then don'teat to the next day.
That's a reality, you know.
They might eat a sandwich, anair sandwich, you know, when
they get home, or something likethat, which you know, two
slices of bread, maybe somehoney, you know.
So those are lives that areaffected.
Those are lives that that thatare affected, but they're not
dying.
So that's, that's what theargument is to a lot of people
(10:19):
like, well, no, no, life isworth it, I know, but you know,
you got to understand that.
So how do we, how do wequantify, how do we compare
suffering, right?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So you know you don't ask the doctors is the thing.
The problem is we're onlylistening to one set of data
points, which is only theperspective of the doctors.
There's a reason why doctorsdon't run the world it's because
they have a medical perspective.
It's the same reason whyattorneys don't run the world
they have a legal perspective.
(10:49):
Right, it's only when we blendall of these things together
that we get an actual blendedperspective so we can take and
make an adult decision.
If we're not asking theeconomist, if we're not asking
the sociologist, if we're notasking everybody, it's supposed
to help you make the decision,not be the decision maker.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Absolutely, it's supposed to.
You know, and Richard will tellyou was he back on the line?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh, you're here.
Oh, okay, so you know, Richardwill tell you.
Listen, I called Richard.
Richard has been my attorneyfor 15 years.
You know I'll call him a lot oftimes and I want to hear what
the worst case scenario is.
All right, rich, if I do this,or if this goes wrong, what
happens?
He'll tell me every which waypossible.
And then I got to make adecision Sure, okay, well, this
(11:31):
could happen.
But this could also happen, andhe'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
By the way, did you guys lose me?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, oh shit, it's been minutes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's beenminutes, yeah, so I don't even
know where you left off.
But, richard, I mean, when youtalk to, I mean most of the and
you and I have had, obviously,conversations about.
You know your clients and youknow they're trying to thought,
as far as you know, do theylisten to you or do they not
listen to you?
And I would, you know, I've, asI remember correctly, you know,
(12:00):
a lot of these, thesesuccessful businessmen.
They do the same thing.
They want to listen to yourobservation, your opinion on it,
but they're going to dowhatever the fuck they want at
the end of the day, one way orthe other.
And that's kind of what I see.
You're going to listen to thedoctors, you're going to listen
to the experts, but you know thepresident or the country has to
make its own decision on movingforward.
And that's where it gets tricky.
(12:21):
And I understand that.
You know, and now the argumentsbecome well, you can't value
money over life.
That's crazy.
If this economy goes to crap,the way it's going to go, if we
don't open up, there's going tobe way, way more death.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
There's more life, more life at stake, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, more life at stake.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I mean, I think it's also a perspective thing.
I mean, doctors deal with sickpeople, so they're used to.
When people don't listen totheir advice, I'm sorry, go
ahead no that's the opposite.
They deal with people that aresick.
So they say, hey, don't eatthat.
And then they get sick and theycome and deal with the doctor.
So all the doctor ever seesjust see the people that get
(13:01):
sick.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
We're talking.
I'm sorry, we're talking tosomebody else.
Let's talk to somebody else.
Is he All right?
No worries.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I mean, it's the same thing with the attorneys.
The attorneys typically seethings when they go bad.
You know they made the deal.
They make 10 deals and two gobad.
Those are the ones that theysee, those are the ones that are
in litigation.
So attorneys are very much moresensitive to hey, how can it go
wrong?
And they know how it can gowrong because they've done that
same deal 50 times and seen itgone wrong five, six, seven, 10
(13:28):
times.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Look, I think that, richard, to kind of go back to
your point I'm not sure that'swhere you left off or not but
what I see happening next beforewhen we spoke first, it was
whether, as a business owner, ifI was in California, for
example, and they're telling meto stay shut down for another
two months, I'm going to tell mepersonally, if it was me, I
would just open up, I'd ratherdie with my sword in my hand
(13:50):
than have them just completelyshut me down.
I lose my clientele, loseeverything.
I would do it responsibly, etcetera, et cetera.
But you know, I wouldabsolutely go after the pursuit
of happiness thing, right.
But now what I think is goingto happen now we kind of covered
that in our last podcast, right.
But what I think is going tohappen now is these restaurants
that have been closed for twomonths.
Now you're telling them you'regoing to have to open up, with
(14:12):
more expenses because you'recleaning and those and all these
exaggerated precautions that,honestly, I don't think make a
difference.
I think once you're in there,you're in there and you're going
to catch it.
Just just.
That's just me.
You know I'm not a doctor oranything, but you know, I think,
that restaurant owners aregoing to try to do that whole
50% operation thing and they'regoing to realize dude, I can't
(14:34):
do it at 50%, and they're justgoing to go 100%.
And then people are going toshow up there and be like how do
you want me to eat with a mask,how do you want me to be inside
here having drinks with a mask?
Because that's the rule, tooright, you're supposed to have a
mask all the way until you eator drink.
Richard, is that what I'mhearing?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
You know, I should know more about the specifics of
the rule, but I don't.
You know, there was an articlein the Herald today where some
quotes from some people you knowwas that it wasn't as weird as
they thought.
But yeah, it's my understandingthat you know you have you need
facial covering unless you'reeating outside, and then
(15:13):
obviously you can remove it toeat.
But you know, there's even likesome time limits on how long
you can be there.
And I mean, you know, I mean,look, there's no avoiding these
exercises, okay, and there areno.
You know, believe it or not,okay, there's a lot of
(15:34):
sensationalism on both sides,okay, and just like the left,
you know, the leftsensationalizes, in my view,
this, this problem, so, so sodoes the right in minimizing it.
Okay, you just can't go fullbore right now, okay.
So you know, the science justdoesn't bear it out, it's just
not the best idea.
(15:55):
Period, end of story.
And so this you can't getaround these baby steps back.
You know I haven't heard anypolitician local, state or
federal saying that.
You know it's going to be 50%capacity forever.
In fact, not even the publishedguidelines contemplate that.
(16:17):
So I do think that there is anexpectation from the government
and, quite frankly, I don'tthink it's an unreasonable
expectation that people complywith the guidelines to the
extent possible.
You know and and unfortunatelyit's going to take a little bit
of this you know people doingthings that they don't
(16:38):
necessarily want to do for atime.
You know for a time.
There's a time after which,like everything else, like the
shelter orders, there's a timeafter which the restriction is
no longer reasonable.
But that's not today, you know,it's just not today.
So you know it's like everythingelse.
The 50% capacity yeah, that'sgoing to get old.
(16:58):
It's not old yet.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
That's where Richard kind of left off was.
He was talking about the ideathat, as things go along and
more and more, things are kindof skewing to the side of it no
longer being legal for them tokeep it shut down, there's more
now, more, more weight on theother side of the of the of the
scale to say, hey, you're goingto start losing some of these
cases now because the sciencedoesn't bear out being shut down
(17:23):
entirely, impinging on people'sconstitutional rights.
I think that's where you werebefore, richard.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, exactly Exactly .
And, and you know, and on thispoint also, of the heightened
sanitation measures andeverything else, it's like, look
, it's another phenomenon.
We're talking about the groupchats that we're in, you know,
and I have one where, you know,it's my family and my extended
family, okay, and Jesus knows alot of these characters.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Oh, boy dude.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
They're wildly colorful, some of them are are
wildly wealthy and some of themare wildly Republican.
And then there are some thatare that are gay, gay and
married to other men and theyadopt, you know, you know, I
mean these these very liberalpositions on everything you know
.
And then there's a friend ofthe family who's in there.
(18:13):
He runs a modeling agency, he'sgay, and these guys are very
progressive, right, and so it'san interesting mix in there.
But what's funny is that whenthis started okay, when this and
, by the way, one of the guysthat happens To be gay and he's
one of the greatest humans onearth I love this guy brewing
guys names Jerry, he's a doctor.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I wish we could say.
I wish we could say hishusband's name, because it adds
a little bit of humor to it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know he's a doctor and he's on the front
line in New York, so he'sobviously seeing the worst case
scenario, like he's seeing therefrigerated truck holding
bodies.
You know I went to an emergencyroom here.
There was nobody there.
So you know everything is likeyou're.
It's kind of like you know yourenvironment.
So you know he was maximumalarmist, okay, and he's a
(19:03):
doctor.
So you know he's talkingshelter, shelter, shelter,
shelter, shelter.
Like and shelter and talk shitand like there's no
consideration for anything elseand like the economy.
You're a moron, you know, justshelter, shelter, shelter.
And then there's a lot of womenin this chat room who, by the
way, all have an incrediblyExaggerated sense of like their
own work, right.
(19:23):
So it's like theself-preservation is incredible,
like they're terrified.
They want to say it's about oldpeople and all that.
They're terrified forthemselves.
So, number one, they're happyto quarantine because their
houses are better than DisneyWorld.
Okay, and I've said as much andso.
And, by the way, theyquarantine with their nanny.
(19:43):
Okay, with their nanny.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And like with the cool and the and the.
Can I say, can I talk about thepicture you sent the other day?
Or where they were quarantining?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
They all take their yachts out, these two stories.
They all take their yachts outand they're at the sandbar and,
like all the yachts are Disney,they won't even get near each
other.
Right and so, but in the samegroup of people.
At the beginning it was allabout like how the science
Requires, the sheltering periodand the story, and then, like
(20:15):
the concepts of the vaccine andthe concepts of the therapy,
just and as more and more likeinformation comes out.
Like you know, these peoplewere all about vaccines.
And then I said to them Let meask you guys a question how many
of you get the flu vaccine?
And it was like 40% of thepeople in there got the flu
vaccine.
You know what I'm saying, right?
So it's like you guys don'teven get the flu vaccine.
(20:38):
So it's like you guys talkabout the vaccine, you don't
even get the flu vaccine, right?
That's number one.
And, by the way, cindy, my wife, got the flu vaccine last year.
And the flu Because, because,because that's the way vaccines
work, they're strange, specific,right?
And and if you get it?
And, by the way, covid-19 hasalready mutated.
(21:02):
And so Everyone's hero, drAnthony Fauci, testified himself
last week, on Tuesday, theworld went crazy that a vaccine
may not even be effective.
So I said to them the other day, that day I said, hey guys, you
see Fauci testimony, here's alink.
And they were like, oh yeah, weheard of that.
I'm like, let me ask youquestion Stay to reopen.
The curve has been flattened,especially in New York.
Vaccines may not even beeffective.
(21:24):
When it's ever will you guyscome out?
And then they were like well,the doctor times any says, well,
it's gonna be a very personalchoice for everyone, because you
know me personally, I'm gonnaget on a plane in July, but I
don't know if I can bring myselfto do it.
And other people were chimingin oh my god, I can't go to a
restaurant now because I'mnausea.
And I'm like you see, youpeople only care about science
(21:47):
when it's good for you, becauseyou're telling me you want to
shut me down based on science,but science won't bring you out
of your house right now.
It's a personal choice.
So listen, that exact choice isthe choice you got to give
people.
You gotta let people open.
Yet, unless I'm decided,they're gonna get back to
working out because,unfortunately, anthony Fauci
himself come out right now.
I say, hey, there's no moreCOVID.
We eradicated it and half thecountry won't believe him.
(22:08):
They're not coming out, they'restaying inside anyway.
Yeah so you know it's likereopening in and of itself
doesn't bring people back.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And at what point?
Until what point is?
Is you have the right, justlike I have the right?
A car accidents are Way moredangerous than the COVID right
now, statistically.
I'm not this is not just memaking it up right, so, but we
still have the right to go outthere and drive, okay, alcohol
and driving kills a lot morepeople, right, so so, and I have
(22:38):
the right to do that.
I have the right to do whateverthe fuck I want with my own
body.
At what point?
Does you see what that's?
That's where I start thinking.
I'm assuming I'm.
Everything I'm saying is with aquestion mark, richard, right,
and that's to the point where,if I want to go out there and
put myself in danger, that's myHuman right, constitutional
right to be able to do so.
Right, as long as I don't putanybody else in danger.
(23:00):
And that leads me to the nextthing right, the mask.
Okay, so at what point is thatgoing to start becoming an issue
?
Like, I always have to have amask on me at all times, all day
?
For how long?
Right.
So if I, if I, want to go to asupermarket, right, and I don't
have a mask on me for whateverreason, okay, like I have to.
(23:21):
And at what point does that maskbecome unhealthy?
Right?
So?
So walking around with a maskand breathing that stuff all day
, and so what?
So at what point is that gonnabecome?
You know, because I rememberwhen it first came out, they
there's little of literallyvideos saying from Fauci saying
that's not gonna do anything.
Now, out of a sudden they hadsome back-end meetings and and
(23:42):
all of a sudden it's mandatory,right.
So, man, how long?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Oh yeah, what's the right, let me address those two
points and then, unfortunately,I'm gonna have to jump, because
I'm being my, my boss over here.
Look it's, it's two.
It's two, it's number one.
The general principle is it'smore of the same as Zeus.
For now Everyone's gonna haveto kind of put up with it,
because there just isn't enoughtime past or crisis Allidiation
(24:10):
to suggest that it's wholly onthat.
That's number one.
Number two for all the reasonsyou indicate Enforcement, people
having it, blah, blah, blah,blah, etc.
The government itself is notgoing to be imposing the mass
restriction for very long.
In fact, in the county alreadyin Miami-Dade County, they did
away with the requirement ofhaving masks on in County parks.
(24:34):
Okay, but you have to be able todistinguish between the better
the government as an actor,state, local or federal and
private enterprise apart, apart,I'm the vote basically you know
, public's Lowes, these people,you know, man, they can, they
can say, hey, we're gonnarequire mass, and if you don't
want to wear a mask, you're notgoing to go there.
Okay and so and so, by the way.
(24:56):
So, by the way, I'm gonna bethe first to point out some
devil's advocate arguments here.
Okay, they make you wearclothes.
Okay, so this the absolute.
They make you worse, you knowlike you, you know like the
absolute logic notion doesn'twork for either.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You just broke my heart right now.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
You can't say it's like oh, they're making me wear
a shirt, but, but you know so,somehow a shirt doesn't violate
your rights, but the mask doesno.
Over time, it will be clearperhaps that the science doesn't
bear it out.
Especially, though, you know,we can't get people to have
clean masks all the time.
You know, etc.
Etc.
Um, and, and there will be atime for that, but you know,
(25:41):
unfortunately for now, and bythe way, private enterprise can
decide forever.
You know as stupid as they are,you know, and so you may not
have that.
You know.
Let's say, apple says foreveryou have to be in our stores
with a mask, and so you know,listen, it's gonna get to the
point that somebody like Applecan afford to do that.
What are you gonna do?
No longer have a fucking iPhoneto me, a break, oh, so it's
like the only time you're gonnahave a mask is when you need to
(26:02):
get an iPhone.
You're gonna send your wifeinto Apple, yeah, but whoever's
gonna go wear a mask?
You know so.
So it's like that's the thing.
Private enterprise andgovernment acting is two
different things.
I think the mask quoterequirement will go away.
I think it will remain.
I think many businesses, themore progressive the business,
(26:23):
the more likely you are to seethat type of requirement either
way.
By the way, the Fauci video isthe last thing I'll address.
I personally think that theyinitially were saying that
because there were no masks,like I don't know if you notice,
but there's like a bazillionlike the largest growing
businesses in America right nowlike sanitizer, maker, mask,
(26:44):
glove, like all of a suddeneveryone's in that fucking
business.
I don't know how many phonecalls I've gotten in the past
three days of Contacts that Ihave that are ready to load me
with military grade PPE.
Now everybody sells PPE.
So you know now that you canget masks everywhere, it's okay
to tell people well, fucking,you haven't there.
You know what I mean, becauseit arguably prevents particles.
(27:05):
When you couldn't fucking finda mask, when when, dude, we're
not even a president UnitedStates could find a fucking mask
, you had to send everybody'shero out to say, no, I don't
wear a mask or that, becausethen you know you create
availability for others.
But similarly, the science canchange, right, you know, like
they took the position now thatit's less particulates.
(27:27):
Okay, so maybe that wasn't outat the time or they didn't know
that it was transmitted in waterdroplets.
So you sneeze, they didn't know.
In fact, the who said youcouldn't even transmit it
between people.
So, as the science progressed,now we know if I sneeze on you,
you can get it At last.
I'm arguably projecting less,not.
So these evolutions are gonnatake place.
(27:50):
Some are gonna be good forpeople that think like you and I
do.
Some of them are gonna be morepainful, and we just gotta kinda
see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, well, let me just toss this out there as
maybe to make everybody feel.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And, by the way, guys listen.
I appreciate you always forhaving me on.
Thank you, bro.
Better luck, be good Later.
Take care.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I was in Home Depot this past week up in the middle
part of the state.
I won't say any names so Idon't wanna get any people in
Home Depot.
I was not alone in not wearinga mask, Really, and it was
wonderful.
They let me in, they smiled.
There were other people inthere.
Some had masks, some didn't.
Some had masks on their littlepet dogs and their purse.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I had a buddy of mine told me that at Dick's Sporting
Goods he walks in and they say,hey, do you hand them a mask
and some hand sanitizer?
And he says, do I have to wearit?
Says the guy paused and says,well, we prefer that you wear it
.
He goes okay, thank you, walkedout and didn't put the mask on.
(28:49):
You know what I mean.
So it's a weird, obviously aweird situation.
I have been holding strong sofar.
I have not yet to wear a mask.
I put one glove on the otherday because I saw myself in the
situation where I had to wear amask.
I was able to talk my way outof it.
They gave me gloves, they gaveme a mask.
(29:10):
I put one glove on and then Irealized, holy shit, I think I
could talk my way out of thisand while I had one glove on
Michael Jackson, my way out ofit.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I was gonna say were you doing the Michael Jackson
impersonations?
What are you shooting for?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
But I don't know how long I could hold on, for I
really don't know.
I don't know.
Do I have to go to home Depotsoon, probably.
Do I have to jump on a flightsoon, probably, oh yeah, so I
don't think I could hold onforever, but as of now, man, I'm
holding strong because I do seeit.
I do see it, not because I'msome hard-headed, crazy old guy
(29:45):
or whatever.
It's just because I have theright to wear a mask or not wear
a mask.
I have the right.
If I'm walking into a place,how does my mask, how does me
not wear?
How does me not wearing a maskaffect your mask?
So you have a mask, you havegloves and you have one of those
fancy face shields that I'vebeen seeing too right, oh yeah,
(30:08):
how does you could walk in therewith a bubble.
Walk in there with a bubble.
You know what I'm?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
saying Go ahead If you're in a bubble.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
How does it affect your bubble if I'm not wearing
it Am?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I in a bubble?
Yeah, I'm wearing it.
Wear your hazmat suit 100%.
Take and cover yourself inPurell.
Wear lead lined underwear,whatever you feel like you need
to do.
The reality of it is I waswatching this happen for a while
, cause I don't know about you,but I don't remember from 20
years ago people using a lot ofhand sanitizer.
It's bad for you.
We become like this germophobesociety.
(30:39):
It's bad for you.
I don't get when it's happening.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I tell I real all the time I tell I real, all the
time, like you know, you'rekilling your good germ, cause
you have some good germ, goodbacteria, on your hands and
you're killing it, which isgonna make you have you
defenseless.
So when you don't have the soap, he usually looks at me and he
goes, yeah, okay, and then hejust puts it on.
So what are you gonna?
It's we're making ourselvesunhealthier and I don't know the
(31:01):
data on it, but it doesn't seemto me like the mask You're
inhaling.
You're exhaling and inhalingand you're supposed to do that
up in the open and get fresh airand everything like that.
I can't imagine thatsomething's not gonna come out.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Because what they're basically saying is you're
putting other people's lives atrisk because of your selfish
behavior.
This is the argument that wasmade for the lady in Texas, and
you know, if the data bears thatout, I suppose it's like not
drinking and driving If whatyou're doing with yourself is
gonna now affect other people.
So there's potentially anargument there.
The thing is this that scienceisn't actually there to say that
(31:40):
they're speculating.
They think the science is thereand because they think the
science is there, they are nowable to reach into your life and
make you do things, make youthe puppet on the strings, and
so, yeah, I think there's andyou know what I think there
should be that reaction.
We are Americans and it is inour nature historically always
(32:02):
to rebel against being told whatto do.
Oh, you're gonna tax the T.
Okay, let's fight a war aboutthis.
We are a country that wasfounded on the idea of not
letting government control us.
We had come from Europe, mostof us.
When the revolution was fought,most of the people here had
come from Europe and they hadcome under the seeing government
(32:25):
oppression firsthand, wherethey come into your house, they
grab you, they throw you in jailand nobody ever hears from you
again yeah that's been so longalready people forget about it.
Well, we're so desensitized tothis.
I mean, I was just thinkingabout the lines of gratitude.
I'm getting ready to take anddo something else for another
place, and the idea of gratitudeand one of the best things that
I found to do was, at the endof the day, just write down
(32:47):
thank you and write everythingyou can think of from that day.
You know all the little things.
You know.
My car started this morning.
I don't.
My father used to have to takeand push the gas all the way
down the car to preset theautomatic choke on the car,
which was high tech technologyat the time.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Now you turn the key, like it always starts, that car
doesn't turn on.
You're like I can't rememberthe last time I pressed the car
thing and it doesn't turn on.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
The other day 10 years maybe I flew when I had to
do a series.
I was doing a whole week inPensacola up through the
panhandle, teaching classes,right, and I go to get on my
morning flight and my iPhonewon't start nothing.
It is a paperweight.
All of my hotel information isin there.
I'm like what a spoiled brat Iam that I am so dependent.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I don't have a computer and I'm bad.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Like I'm furious that it doesn't work and I'm like
how easily I take for grantedall the good things that I have.
So, yeah, I mean this, doeswhat's the technical term for it
suck.
It does suck a lot.
I do like I mean I got thatwhen I was up in the middle of
the state I got to go sit downat a restaurant and have a meal.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And you know what?
That's pretty awesome.
I can't wait for that.
I enjoyed it so much, I think.
I'm gonna do it this weekendright.
This weekend everything opensup.
Tomorrow, today, yesterday no,yesterday was the what I think
Miami-Dade, for whatever reason,is tomorrow.
That's what I'm hearing I don'tknow.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I'm waiting for the gyms to reopen, man, I mean, I
want to get on an elliptical andjust go for days.
Yeah, see what happens, let'ssee.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I'll leave it with this.
Let's in summary.
You know, I think, the way Isee things is.
I think I sent it to you theother day, the meme.
You got half of the picture.
There was two pictures.
One picture is soldiers runningout of their ships into
Normandy, into the beaches,facing certain death, okay, and
(34:36):
then it shows another picture ofsomebody hiding with a mask
behind something, a wall or aseat or something like that,
saying you know, this is ourAmericans today, facing.005%
mortality rate.
Yep, big difference.
So, all right, guys, a littlebit of an update on what's going
on and thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
And, by the way, questions on Questions or
comments, add them to thecomments and on either YouTube
or in Instagram, wherever you'reseeing it and be happy to get
back to you on whatever you comeup with.
Happy to help and I know youcan.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, yeah, all right guys, thank you, all right,
anything else we're good.
All right guys, thank you, allright guys, thanks.
All right, guys, what episode is this?
They're like we're up therealready.
12 or 13.
No, 12 for sure, 13.
Well, yeah, it could be 12 orcould be 13.
I don't know, we'll find outeither.
12 or 13 guys, all right.
So, um, I tell you what one ofmy favorite oh yeah, welcome to
real estate talk, real estatepodcasts.
(00:24):
Yeah, I always got to rememberto say that my name.
There we go.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm a little tired guys.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I haven't slept.
I haven't slept well.
I didn't sleep well last night.
Um, so, yeah, what?
What are my?
Our favorite podcast that wehad?
Because, um, it's kind of likewe we did it almost at the
beginning of the of the Coronavirus thing right, where we had
Richard on um, just when thisshit started hitting the fan and
and we kind of went throughlike different scenarios that
(00:50):
that could happen and and, uh,why they would happen and how
they would happen.
And man and Richard, richardand I are in a, are in a in a
group chat there.
That's that's uh, I mean, I'meverybody's like five years old
on it, you know, or at least weact five years old on it.
But, um, one of the things we dois bombard each other with with
, uh, with news articles, ofeverything that comes in.
(01:11):
So, man, little by little, allthe stuff that we talked about,
every single thing aboutbusiness owners, you know, kind
of fighting back and opening upanyway, about states, kind of
fighting back.
You know we had that inWisconsin and in and in Texas we
had that salon, um, you know,owner, that, that, that, uh that
went out and said you know what?
(01:32):
I'm not going to close down,they went and send her to jail.
She took the jail time.
Then what?
the governor the governoractually offered to pay her, uh,
her, fine, and the I believe itwas the um, uh, the, the uh
attorney general of Texasactually went and and got it,
got it, did whatever he had todo to get her out, right, and
(01:53):
then, and then, ted Cruz whichis what the Senator, senator
from Texas, senator from Texaswent and got a haircut with her,
which, which, uh, you know, uh,we also saw, you know in in in
California, which basically issaying they're going to stay
closed till like 2025.
Um, elon Musk said hey, listen,I'm going to open up.
You want to arrest me?
You could arrest me.
(02:13):
Um, they ended up backing off,which is interesting.
Um, and in Wisconsin, whatexact, richard?
What exactly happened inWisconsin?
The, the, the Supreme courtbasically said you, you're not,
you're not obligated to stay, orthey told them that you don't
have the right for the stay athome orders.
Is that basically what happened?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, what?
What happened was that thestate's governor issued an
executive order extending thethe shelter orders that he had
previously put in place.
Um, and the Supreme courtstruck down the extension of the
shelter order, which basicallyterminated it.
(02:50):
Um, as of uh, as of the uhmoment, the court ruled Right.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Because another thing that happened, you know, while
we were, you know, between thatlast podcast and this one, is
that the, the attorney generalof the United States, said hey,
we're starting to getdangerously close to, uh, to um,
you know, I guess, affectingour, our constitutional rights.
So what it seems to me likeRichard, like if tell me if I'm
(03:17):
understanding this correctly,okay, cause I'm, I'm not an
attorney and not even close toone Okay, um, what, what I think
happened was that in in a, inshort, in a short term, like in
a week or two, for a, for theterm of a week or two, it was
kind of okay constitutionally,cause it was like kind of an
emergency situation.
But if you want to startextending it, then it becomes
(03:40):
almost like an issue with theconstitution and and and and our
rights.
Is that basically what I'm,that I understand that correctly
?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, you know, um, I mean that's, it's a, that's a,
obviously a grandoversimplification, but but it,
you know, it hits the.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I don't know that's a is that a compliment.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
He said grand man, that's pretty big.
Hey, thank you All right, justin case.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah right, fuck you or thank you.
So Chairwoman you want to take,I don't know Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Um, you know, the government, at all levels a
state, local, federal um, theyhave what's called police powers
.
Now, when, when we say policepowers, we don't really mean,
you know, police officers withbadges and cars with lights on,
we mean this inherent authorityto enact restrictions, basically
(04:33):
for the public good.
Okay, and so, um, the way thatthey get to doing that is
through various, uh,declarations of emergency.
Okay, so you know, if there isa sufficient emergency, the
government can enact martial law.
We put soldiers out on thestreets and then you know
there's curfews and youabsolutely can't go out, and you
(04:54):
know you may not be able tospeak, and you know who knows,
right.
So now, the thing is that allevery encroachment on a
constitutionally protected righthas to pass what we call a
scrutiny test.
Okay, and so if we were inlitigation about these things
and somebody were to file alawsuit saying, hey, you know
(05:15):
the the order to close mybusiness is a constitutional
overreach Right, we have to findan amendment right, A
constitutional right that isaffected by an order to close
your business.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So which?
Which are what, which are whatthere has to be some Well.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I was about to say that.
I was about to say that.
So if we could ask the audience, right, if we could say, hey,
who knows what, uh amendment,right, we would travel under.
What would we say was beingviolated?
If they tell you you can't openyour business?
And I think it's the uh, theright to the pursuit of
happiness right, life, libertyand the pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Well, I think, life and liberty.
Well, liberty for sure, libertyfor sure, life.
I mean, you got to make aliving.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
No, no, no no, I mean again, semantics, okay, but,
but, um, but probably thepursuit of happiness, because
you can't argue, you're notliving right, like no one's
really going to die because thebusiness is closed.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
So uh, but again we're digressing.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
We're digressing, but the point is you pick an
amendment under which you'regoing to travel, and then the
judge, but the court'sobligation is to assess whether
or not the restriction isreasonably tied to some
prevailing public policyinterest, such that the
government's encroachment onthat right can be justified.
(06:34):
Okay, so in the immediateaftermath, as we discussed back
then, all of these things areprobably constitutionally
permissible and it would be anabsolute waste of anyone's time
to try and question that at thattime, at a time when we don't
have sufficient data, we don'tknow the scope of the disease,
we know very little about how itaffects people, we don't know
(06:55):
how many people have it.
I mean, there were so manyunknowns that it would be a
loser all day.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Right, but things don't change.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Right.
Well, so what happens is thatafter two months, you know, so
you know it's like listen, ifthe objective was to flatten the
curve, and you know the curveis more or less flattened and,
by the way, it's not flattenedin any way, in any place except
New York.
So if you take New York,whereas previously there was
only a spike because of New York, now, if you take New York out
of the models, you'll see thatthe numbers are going up.
(07:26):
It's literally everywhere else.
Now, does that justify anothershutdown?
No, because, remember, theshutdown initially was not about
preventing spread, it was aboutnot overwhelming the health
system.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Okay, and so which everybody's everybody's
reporting.
The hospitals are at 50%capacity.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Right, correct, correct and so and so again.
So the more data we have, youknow, to suggest that you know
many more people have beeninfected than we knew about.
So you know we may be a lotcloser to a herd immunity than
we previously thought, or thatthe mortality rate is not as bad
as we previously thought, orour ability to handle it from an
(08:10):
infrastructure perspective.
You know, once these thingsstart creating balance again,
then it becomes more and moredifficult for these restrictions
to survive to kind of scrutinywe were just describing.
Right, the scale start to tipin the other direction, where
people need to get out there andwork, et cetera, et cetera.
(08:32):
You know, out we lost him.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, I think it's a good point actually he's, he's
again, it's about that adultdecision that has to be made,
and that's kind of what he issaying.
Is that tipping that scrutinytest is kind of that whole same
thing.
Got what we're going to say?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like.
What I'm understanding is that,like at the beginning, nobody
knew what was going on.
Now everybody kind of knowswhat's going on.
You've almost picked aside, youknow, and it's crazy to say,
but you know there is sides tothis.
There's the let's stay shutdown forever.
Every you know no life is worth.
You know any dollar amount,which I agree on, but those type
(09:15):
of those people are notcounting that there's going to
be an effect in life.
Of course, by by every economicrecession or depression or any
collapse has brought in tons ofdeaths with suicides Over 1000%,
yeah and domestic violence,child molestation kids that are
(09:37):
substance, substance abuse,substance abuse skyrockets,
hunger skyrockets.
There's a lot of kids, I mean, Igot, I have friends that are
you know they're, they'reteachers and principals and
everything.
And how many kids are that that?
There's a lot of kids thattheir only meals come from
school.
Yeah, they eat there.
They eat, they eat breakfast,they eat lunch.
They probably ask their friendsfor the leftovers and they fill
(09:59):
themselves up and then don'teat to the next day.
That's a reality, you know.
They might eat a sandwich, anair sandwich, you know, when
they get home, or something likethat, which you know, two
slices of bread, maybe somehoney, you know.
So those are lives that areaffected.
Those are lives that that thatare affected, but they're not
dying.
So that's, that's what theargument is to a lot of people
(10:19):
like, well, no, no, life isworth it, I know, but you know,
you got to understand that.
So how do we, how do wequantify, how do we compare
suffering, right?
Speaker 3 (10:29):
So you know you don't ask the doctors is the thing.
The problem is we're onlylistening to one set of data
points, which is only theperspective of the doctors.
There's a reason why doctorsdon't run the world it's because
they have a medical perspective.
It's the same reason whyattorneys don't run the world
they have a legal perspective.
(10:49):
Right, it's only when we blendall of these things together
that we get an actual blendedperspective so we can take and
make an adult decision.
If we're not asking theeconomist, if we're not asking
the sociologist, if we're notasking everybody, it's supposed
to help you make the decision,not be the decision maker.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Absolutely, it's supposed to.
You know, and Richard will tellyou was he back on the line?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh, you're here.
Oh, okay, so you know, Richardwill tell you.
Listen, I called Richard.
Richard has been my attorneyfor 15 years.
You know I'll call him a lot oftimes and I want to hear what
the worst case scenario is.
All right, rich, if I do this,or if this goes wrong, what
happens?
He'll tell me every which waypossible.
And then I got to make adecision Sure, okay, well, this
(11:31):
could happen.
But this could also happen, andhe'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
By the way, did you guys lose me?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, yeah, oh shit, it's been minutes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's beenminutes, yeah, so I don't even
know where you left off.
But, richard, I mean, when youtalk to, I mean most of the and
you and I have had, obviously,conversations about.
You know your clients and youknow they're trying to thought,
as far as you know, do theylisten to you or do they not
listen to you?
And I would, you know, I've, asI remember correctly, you know,
(12:00):
a lot of these, thesesuccessful businessmen.
They do the same thing.
They want to listen to yourobservation, your opinion on it,
but they're going to dowhatever the fuck they want at
the end of the day, one way orthe other.
And that's kind of what I see.
You're going to listen to thedoctors, you're going to listen
to the experts, but you know thepresident or the country has to
make its own decision on movingforward.
And that's where it gets tricky.
(12:21):
And I understand that.
You know, and now the argumentsbecome well, you can't value
money over life.
That's crazy.
If this economy goes to crap,the way it's going to go, if we
don't open up, there's going tobe way, way more death.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
There's more life, more life at stake, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, more life at stake.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I mean, I think it's also a perspective thing.
I mean, doctors deal with sickpeople, so they're used to.
When people don't listen totheir advice, I'm sorry, go
ahead no that's the opposite.
They deal with people that aresick.
So they say, hey, don't eatthat.
And then they get sick and theycome and deal with the doctor.
So all the doctor ever seesjust see the people that get
(13:01):
sick.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
We're talking.
I'm sorry, we're talking tosomebody else.
Let's talk to somebody else.
Is he All right?
No worries.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I mean, it's the same thing with the attorneys.
The attorneys typically seethings when they go bad.
You know they made the deal.
They make 10 deals and two gobad.
Those are the ones that theysee, those are the ones that are
in litigation.
So attorneys are very much moresensitive to hey, how can it go
wrong?
And they know how it can gowrong because they've done that
same deal 50 times and seen itgone wrong five, six, seven, 10
(13:28):
times.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Look, I think that, richard, to kind of go back to
your point I'm not sure that'swhere you left off or not but
what I see happening next beforewhen we spoke first, it was
whether, as a business owner, ifI was in California, for
example, and they're telling meto stay shut down for another
two months, I'm going to tell mepersonally, if it was me, I
would just open up, I'd ratherdie with my sword in my hand
(13:50):
than have them just completelyshut me down.
I lose my clientele, loseeverything.
I would do it responsibly, etcetera, et cetera.
But you know, I wouldabsolutely go after the pursuit
of happiness thing, right.
But now what I think is goingto happen now we kind of covered
that in our last podcast, right.
But what I think is going tohappen now is these restaurants
that have been closed for twomonths.
Now you're telling them you'regoing to have to open up, with
(14:12):
more expenses because you'recleaning and those and all these
exaggerated precautions that,honestly, I don't think make a
difference.
I think once you're in there,you're in there and you're going
to catch it.
Just just.
That's just me.
You know I'm not a doctor oranything, but you know, I think,
that restaurant owners aregoing to try to do that whole
50% operation thing and they'regoing to realize dude, I can't
(14:34):
do it at 50%, and they're justgoing to go 100%.
And then people are going toshow up there and be like how do
you want me to eat with a mask,how do you want me to be inside
here having drinks with a mask?
Because that's the rule, tooright, you're supposed to have a
mask all the way until you eator drink.
Richard, is that what I'mhearing?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
You know, I should know more about the specifics of
the rule, but I don't.
You know, there was an articlein the Herald today where some
quotes from some people you knowwas that it wasn't as weird as
they thought.
But yeah, it's my understandingthat you know you have you need
facial covering unless you'reeating outside, and then
(15:13):
obviously you can remove it toeat.
But you know, there's even likesome time limits on how long
you can be there.
And I mean, you know, I mean,look, there's no avoiding these
exercises, okay, and there areno.
You know, believe it or not,okay, there's a lot of
(15:34):
sensationalism on both sides,okay, and just like the left,
you know, the leftsensationalizes, in my view,
this, this problem, so, so sodoes the right in minimizing it.
Okay, you just can't go fullbore right now, okay.
So you know, the science justdoesn't bear it out, it's just
not the best idea.
(15:55):
Period, end of story.
And so this you can't getaround these baby steps back.
You know I haven't heard anypolitician local, state or
federal saying that.
You know it's going to be 50%capacity forever.
In fact, not even the publishedguidelines contemplate that.
(16:17):
So I do think that there is anexpectation from the government
and, quite frankly, I don'tthink it's an unreasonable
expectation that people complywith the guidelines to the
extent possible.
You know and and unfortunatelyit's going to take a little bit
of this you know people doingthings that they don't
(16:38):
necessarily want to do for atime.
You know for a time.
There's a time after which,like everything else, like the
shelter orders, there's a timeafter which the restriction is
no longer reasonable.
But that's not today, you know,it's just not today.
So you know it's like everythingelse.
The 50% capacity yeah, that'sgoing to get old.
(16:58):
It's not old yet.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
That's where Richard kind of left off was.
He was talking about the ideathat, as things go along and
more and more, things are kindof skewing to the side of it no
longer being legal for them tokeep it shut down, there's more
now, more, more weight on theother side of the of the of the
scale to say, hey, you're goingto start losing some of these
cases now because the sciencedoesn't bear out being shut down
(17:23):
entirely, impinging on people'sconstitutional rights.
I think that's where you werebefore, richard.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, exactly Exactly .
And, and you know, and on thispoint also, of the heightened
sanitation measures andeverything else, it's like, look
, it's another phenomenon.
We're talking about the groupchats that we're in, you know,
and I have one where, you know,it's my family and my extended
family, okay, and Jesus knows alot of these characters.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Oh, boy dude.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
They're wildly colorful, some of them are are
wildly wealthy and some of themare wildly Republican.
And then there are some thatare that are gay, gay and
married to other men and theyadopt, you know, you know, I
mean these these very liberalpositions on everything you know
.
And then there's a friend ofthe family who's in there.
(18:13):
He runs a modeling agency, he'sgay, and these guys are very
progressive, right, and so it'san interesting mix in there.
But what's funny is that whenthis started okay, when this and
, by the way, one of the guysthat happens To be gay and he's
one of the greatest humans onearth I love this guy brewing
guys names Jerry, he's a doctor.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I wish we could say.
I wish we could say hishusband's name, because it adds
a little bit of humor to it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know he's a doctor and he's on the front
line in New York, so he'sobviously seeing the worst case
scenario, like he's seeing therefrigerated truck holding
bodies.
You know I went to an emergencyroom here.
There was nobody there.
So you know everything is likeyou're.
It's kind of like you know yourenvironment.
So you know he was maximumalarmist, okay, and he's a
(19:03):
doctor.
So you know he's talkingshelter, shelter, shelter,
shelter, shelter.
Like and shelter and talk shitand like there's no
consideration for anything elseand like the economy.
You're a moron, you know, justshelter, shelter, shelter.
And then there's a lot of womenin this chat room who, by the
way, all have an incrediblyExaggerated sense of like their
own work, right.
(19:23):
So it's like theself-preservation is incredible,
like they're terrified.
They want to say it's about oldpeople and all that.
They're terrified forthemselves.
So, number one, they're happyto quarantine because their
houses are better than DisneyWorld.
Okay, and I've said as much andso.
And, by the way, theyquarantine with their nanny.
(19:43):
Okay, with their nanny.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And like with the cool and the and the.
Can I say, can I talk about thepicture you sent the other day?
Or where they were quarantining?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
They all take their yachts out, these two stories.
They all take their yachts outand they're at the sandbar and,
like all the yachts are Disney,they won't even get near each
other.
Right and so, but in the samegroup of people.
At the beginning it was allabout like how the science
Requires, the sheltering periodand the story, and then, like
(20:15):
the concepts of the vaccine andthe concepts of the therapy,
just and as more and more likeinformation comes out.
Like you know, these peoplewere all about vaccines.
And then I said to them Let meask you guys a question how many
of you get the flu vaccine?
And it was like 40% of thepeople in there got the flu
vaccine.
You know what I'm saying, right?
So it's like you guys don'teven get the flu vaccine.
(20:38):
So it's like you guys talkabout the vaccine, you don't
even get the flu vaccine, right?
That's number one.
And, by the way, cindy, my wife, got the flu vaccine last year.
And the flu Because, because,because that's the way vaccines
work, they're strange, specific,right?
And and if you get it?
And, by the way, covid-19 hasalready mutated.
(21:02):
And so Everyone's hero, drAnthony Fauci, testified himself
last week, on Tuesday, theworld went crazy that a vaccine
may not even be effective.
So I said to them the other day, that day I said, hey guys, you
see Fauci testimony, here's alink.
And they were like, oh yeah, weheard of that.
I'm like, let me ask youquestion Stay to reopen.
The curve has been flattened,especially in New York.
Vaccines may not even beeffective.
(21:24):
When it's ever will you guyscome out?
And then they were like well,the doctor times any says, well,
it's gonna be a very personalchoice for everyone, because you
know me personally, I'm gonnaget on a plane in July, but I
don't know if I can bring myselfto do it.
And other people were chimingin oh my god, I can't go to a
restaurant now because I'mnausea.
And I'm like you see, youpeople only care about science
(21:47):
when it's good for you, becauseyou're telling me you want to
shut me down based on science,but science won't bring you out
of your house right now.
It's a personal choice.
So listen, that exact choice isthe choice you got to give
people.
You gotta let people open.
Yet, unless I'm decided,they're gonna get back to
working out because,unfortunately, anthony Fauci
himself come out right now.
I say, hey, there's no moreCOVID.
We eradicated it and half thecountry won't believe him.
(22:08):
They're not coming out, they'restaying inside anyway.
Yeah so you know it's likereopening in and of itself
doesn't bring people back.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
And at what point?
Until what point is?
Is you have the right, justlike I have the right?
A car accidents are Way moredangerous than the COVID right
now, statistically.
I'm not this is not just memaking it up right, so, but we
still have the right to go outthere and drive, okay, alcohol
and driving kills a lot morepeople, right, so so, and I have
(22:38):
the right to do that.
I have the right to do whateverthe fuck I want with my own
body.
At what point?
Does you see what that's?
That's where I start thinking.
I'm assuming I'm.
Everything I'm saying is with aquestion mark, richard, right,
and that's to the point where,if I want to go out there and
put myself in danger, that's myHuman right, constitutional
right to be able to do so.
Right, as long as I don't putanybody else in danger.
(23:00):
And that leads me to the nextthing right, the mask.
Okay, so at what point is thatgoing to start becoming an issue
?
Like, I always have to have amask on me at all times, all day
?
For how long?
Right.
So if I, if I, want to go to asupermarket, right, and I don't
have a mask on me for whateverreason, okay, like I have to.
(23:21):
And at what point does that maskbecome unhealthy?
Right?
So?
So walking around with a maskand breathing that stuff all day
, and so what?
So at what point is that gonnabecome?
You know, because I rememberwhen it first came out, they
there's little of literallyvideos saying from Fauci saying
that's not gonna do anything.
Now, out of a sudden they hadsome back-end meetings and and
(23:42):
all of a sudden it's mandatory,right.
So, man, how long?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Oh yeah, what's the right, let me address those two
points and then, unfortunately,I'm gonna have to jump, because
I'm being my, my boss over here.
Look it's, it's two.
It's two, it's number one.
The general principle is it'smore of the same as Zeus.
For now Everyone's gonna haveto kind of put up with it,
because there just isn't enoughtime past or crisis Allidiation
(24:10):
to suggest that it's wholly onthat.
That's number one.
Number two for all the reasonsyou indicate Enforcement, people
having it, blah, blah, blah,blah, etc.
The government itself is notgoing to be imposing the mass
restriction for very long.
In fact, in the county alreadyin Miami-Dade County, they did
away with the requirement ofhaving masks on in County parks.
(24:34):
Okay, but you have to be able todistinguish between the better
the government as an actor,state, local or federal and
private enterprise apart, apart,I'm the vote basically you know
, public's Lowes, these people,you know, man, they can, they
can say, hey, we're gonnarequire mass, and if you don't
want to wear a mask, you're notgoing to go there.
Okay and so and so, by the way.
(24:56):
So, by the way, I'm gonna bethe first to point out some
devil's advocate arguments here.
Okay, they make you wearclothes.
Okay, so this the absolute.
They make you worse, you knowlike you, you know like the
absolute logic notion doesn'twork for either.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
You just broke my heart right now.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
You can't say it's like oh, they're making me wear
a shirt, but, but you know so,somehow a shirt doesn't violate
your rights, but the mask doesno.
Over time, it will be clearperhaps that the science doesn't
bear it out.
Especially, though, you know,we can't get people to have
clean masks all the time.
You know, etc.
Etc.
Um, and, and there will be atime for that, but you know,
(25:41):
unfortunately for now, and bythe way, private enterprise can
decide forever.
You know as stupid as they are,you know, and so you may not
have that.
You know.
Let's say, apple says foreveryou have to be in our stores
with a mask, and so you know,listen, it's gonna get to the
point that somebody like Applecan afford to do that.
What are you gonna do?
No longer have a fucking iPhoneto me, a break, oh, so it's
like the only time you're gonnahave a mask is when you need to
(26:02):
get an iPhone.
You're gonna send your wifeinto Apple, yeah, but whoever's
gonna go wear a mask?
You know so.
So it's like that's the thing.
Private enterprise andgovernment acting is two
different things.
I think the mask quoterequirement will go away.
I think it will remain.
I think many businesses, themore progressive the business,
(26:23):
the more likely you are to seethat type of requirement either
way.
By the way, the Fauci video isthe last thing I'll address.
I personally think that theyinitially were saying that
because there were no masks,like I don't know if you notice,
but there's like a bazillionlike the largest growing
businesses in America right nowlike sanitizer, maker, mask,
(26:44):
glove, like all of a suddeneveryone's in that fucking
business.
I don't know how many phonecalls I've gotten in the past
three days of Contacts that Ihave that are ready to load me
with military grade PPE.
Now everybody sells PPE.
So you know now that you canget masks everywhere, it's okay
to tell people well, fucking,you haven't there.
You know what I mean, becauseit arguably prevents particles.
(27:05):
When you couldn't fucking finda mask, when when, dude, we're
not even a president UnitedStates could find a fucking mask
, you had to send everybody'shero out to say, no, I don't
wear a mask or that, becausethen you know you create
availability for others.
But similarly, the science canchange, right, you know, like
they took the position now thatit's less particulates.
(27:27):
Okay, so maybe that wasn't outat the time or they didn't know
that it was transmitted in waterdroplets.
So you sneeze, they didn't know.
In fact, the who said youcouldn't even transmit it
between people.
So, as the science progressed,now we know if I sneeze on you,
you can get it At last.
I'm arguably projecting less,not.
So these evolutions are gonnatake place.
(27:50):
Some are gonna be good forpeople that think like you and I
do.
Some of them are gonna be morepainful, and we just gotta kinda
see how it goes.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, well, let me just toss this out there as
maybe to make everybody feel.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
And, by the way, guys listen.
I appreciate you always forhaving me on.
Thank you, bro.
Better luck, be good Later.
Take care.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
I was in Home Depot this past week up in the middle
part of the state.
I won't say any names so Idon't wanna get any people in
Home Depot.
I was not alone in not wearinga mask, Really, and it was
wonderful.
They let me in, they smiled.
There were other people inthere.
Some had masks, some didn't.
Some had masks on their littlepet dogs and their purse.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
I had a buddy of mine told me that at Dick's Sporting
Goods he walks in and they say,hey, do you hand them a mask
and some hand sanitizer?
And he says, do I have to wearit?
Says the guy paused and says,well, we prefer that you wear it
.
He goes okay, thank you, walkedout and didn't put the mask on.
(28:49):
You know what I mean.
So it's a weird, obviously aweird situation.
I have been holding strong sofar.
I have not yet to wear a mask.
I put one glove on the otherday because I saw myself in the
situation where I had to wear amask.
I was able to talk my way outof it.
They gave me gloves, they gaveme a mask.
(29:10):
I put one glove on and then Irealized, holy shit, I think I
could talk my way out of thisand while I had one glove on
Michael Jackson, my way out ofit.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I was gonna say were you doing the Michael Jackson
impersonations?
What are you shooting for?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
But I don't know how long I could hold on, for I
really don't know.
I don't know.
Do I have to go to home Depotsoon, probably.
Do I have to jump on a flightsoon, probably, oh yeah, so I
don't think I could hold onforever, but as of now, man, I'm
holding strong because I do seeit.
I do see it, not because I'msome hard-headed, crazy old guy
(29:45):
or whatever.
It's just because I have theright to wear a mask or not wear
a mask.
I have the right.
If I'm walking into a place,how does my mask, how does me
not wear?
How does me not wearing a maskaffect your mask?
So you have a mask, you havegloves and you have one of those
fancy face shields that I'vebeen seeing too right, oh yeah,
(30:08):
how does you could walk in therewith a bubble.
Walk in there with a bubble.
You know what I'm?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
saying Go ahead If you're in a bubble.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
How does it affect your bubble if I'm not wearing
it Am?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
I in a bubble?
Yeah, I'm wearing it.
Wear your hazmat suit 100%.
Take and cover yourself inPurell.
Wear lead lined underwear,whatever you feel like you need
to do.
The reality of it is I waswatching this happen for a while
, cause I don't know about you,but I don't remember from 20
years ago people using a lot ofhand sanitizer.
It's bad for you.
We become like this germophobesociety.
(30:39):
It's bad for you.
I don't get when it's happening.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I tell I real all the time I tell I real, all the
time, like you know, you'rekilling your good germ, cause
you have some good germ, goodbacteria, on your hands and
you're killing it, which isgonna make you have you
defenseless.
So when you don't have the soap, he usually looks at me and he
goes, yeah, okay, and then hejust puts it on.
So what are you gonna?
It's we're making ourselvesunhealthier and I don't know the
(31:01):
data on it, but it doesn't seemto me like the mask You're
inhaling.
You're exhaling and inhalingand you're supposed to do that
up in the open and get fresh airand everything like that.
I can't imagine thatsomething's not gonna come out.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Because what they're basically saying is you're
putting other people's lives atrisk because of your selfish
behavior.
This is the argument that wasmade for the lady in Texas, and
you know, if the data bears thatout, I suppose it's like not
drinking and driving If whatyou're doing with yourself is
gonna now affect other people.
So there's potentially anargument there.
The thing is this that scienceisn't actually there to say that
(31:40):
they're speculating.
They think the science is thereand because they think the
science is there, they are nowable to reach into your life and
make you do things, make youthe puppet on the strings, and
so, yeah, I think there's andyou know what I think there
should be that reaction.
We are Americans and it is inour nature historically always
(32:02):
to rebel against being told whatto do.
Oh, you're gonna tax the T.
Okay, let's fight a war aboutthis.
We are a country that wasfounded on the idea of not
letting government control us.
We had come from Europe, mostof us.
When the revolution was fought,most of the people here had
come from Europe and they hadcome under the seeing government
(32:25):
oppression firsthand, wherethey come into your house, they
grab you, they throw you in jailand nobody ever hears from you
again yeah that's been so longalready people forget about it.
Well, we're so desensitized tothis.
I mean, I was just thinkingabout the lines of gratitude.
I'm getting ready to take anddo something else for another
place, and the idea of gratitudeand one of the best things that
I found to do was, at the endof the day, just write down
(32:47):
thank you and write everythingyou can think of from that day.
You know all the little things.
You know.
My car started this morning.
I don't.
My father used to have to takeand push the gas all the way
down the car to preset theautomatic choke on the car,
which was high tech technologyat the time.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Now you turn the key, like it always starts, that car
doesn't turn on.
You're like I can't rememberthe last time I pressed the car
thing and it doesn't turn on.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
The other day 10 years maybe I flew when I had to
do a series.
I was doing a whole week inPensacola up through the
panhandle, teaching classes,right, and I go to get on my
morning flight and my iPhonewon't start nothing.
It is a paperweight.
All of my hotel information isin there.
I'm like what a spoiled brat Iam that I am so dependent.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
I don't have a computer and I'm bad.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Like I'm furious that it doesn't work and I'm like
how easily I take for grantedall the good things that I have.
So, yeah, I mean this, doeswhat's the technical term for it
suck.
It does suck a lot.
I do like I mean I got thatwhen I was up in the middle of
the state I got to go sit downat a restaurant and have a meal.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And you know what?
That's pretty awesome.
I can't wait for that.
I enjoyed it so much, I think.
I'm gonna do it this weekendright.
This weekend everything opensup.
Tomorrow, today, yesterday no,yesterday was the what I think
Miami-Dade, for whatever reason,is tomorrow.
That's what I'm hearing I don'tknow.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I'm waiting for the gyms to reopen, man, I mean, I
want to get on an elliptical andjust go for days.
Yeah, see what happens, let'ssee.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I'll leave it with this.
Let's in summary.
You know, I think, the way Isee things is.
I think I sent it to you theother day, the meme.
You got half of the picture.
There was two pictures.
One picture is soldiers runningout of their ships into
Normandy, into the beaches,facing certain death, okay, and
(34:36):
then it shows another picture ofsomebody hiding with a mask
behind something, a wall or aseat or something like that,
saying you know, this is ourAmericans today, facing.005%
mortality rate.
Yep, big difference.
So, all right, guys, a littlebit of an update on what's going
on and thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
And, by the way, questions on Questions or
comments, add them to thecomments and on either YouTube
or in Instagram, wherever you'reseeing it and be happy to get
back to you on whatever you comeup with.
Happy to help and I know youcan.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, yeah, all right guys, thank you, all right,
anything else we're good.
All right guys, thank you, allright guys, thanks.
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