September 11, 2025 • 38 mins
We’re kicking off a brand-new series on the podcast all about core values—the guiding principles that shape not just how we run, but how we live.
In this episode, we’re diving into respect:
- Respect for yourself, your training, and your recovery
- Respect for your teammates, competitors, and the sport itself
- Respect in how you handle challenges, setbacks, and successes
You’ll hear how we teach this value to our cross-country athletes, how it shows up in training and racing, and some personal stories from our own running journey—especially how we’ve had to adjust and lean into respect during emotional challenges lately.
Running is more than just workouts and finish lines. It’s about showing up with integrity and living your values every step of the way.
👉 Tune in, reflect on your own core values, and ask yourself: How am I practicing respect in my running and in my life?
00:00 Introduction to Respect and Core Values
00:13 Defining Core Values for the Team
02:51 The Importance of Integrity
03:38 Exploring Respect in Running
04:31 Respect for Self and Potential
11:38 Respect for the Sport and the Process
20:40 Respect for the Competition
24:11 Healthy vs. Toxic Competition
24:45 Team Spirit and Camaraderie
26:34 Using Competition to Push Yourself
31:29 Respecting Your Body and Limitations
33:29 Emotional Challenges and Running
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Angie (00:00):
R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
Find out what it means to me.
So today we're talking aboutrespect.
We're starting a new series.
Kevin (00:08):
I did not see the song coming.
I did not
Angie (00:11):
see that coming.
I did not see it coming.
come on.
So we are starting a new serieshere where we are talking about
core values, and we recentlydefined our core values for our
cross country team.
And we're gonna talk about thosefive core values and how those
apply to us as real liferunners.
So stay tuned.
(00:50):
What's up runners?
Welcome to the show today.
Did you guys like my littleAretha?
Kevin (00:54):
It was fantastic.
I thought I was standing next toAretha.
Actually.
that's, that was my firstthought was what Aretha is in
the room.
Angie (01:01):
In no world has that ever been said ever.
so like I just mentioned, okay,we're, did it actually start a
little series here on thepodcast and today we're talking
about, so essentially over lastweek, we.
Started a, a series, I guesswith our cross country team,
right?
a journaling series where wewere talking about team core
values.
And we talk about core valuesevery year with our team.
(01:25):
But we did a little differentthis year, and I really like the
way that we.
Did our core values this yearwith our team, and so we're
gonna talk about that and thenwe're gonna take each one, one
by one and talk about how thosethings replied apply to us as
real life runners.
So we would love to offer theseto you.
You can take'em and adopt'em ifyou want.
You can just listen and make it,trigger something else in you.
(01:48):
but core values are somethingthat are really important to
define, and I think that this issomething that.
Maybe we don't take enough timeto actually think about as a
runner, like what are my corevalues really as a human, but
then also how does, how do thosethings apply to running?
Kevin (02:02):
I, most people definitely do not take time out of their
day.
Yeah.
we've got stuff going, mostpeople don't I'm gonna take the
next 30 minutes and just reallysit down and deep dive into what
my core values are as a human.
Angie (02:11):
Unless they read a book by Brene Brown.
'cause I definitely did this.
Yes.
With when I was reading herbooks, a hundred percent.
Yeah.
In the middle of
Kevin (02:17):
the book.
Then you're like, that seemslike the most appropriate
activity I should do right now.
Absolutely.
You pause the book and you gointo that guy.
You put the book down.
Yeah.
You've got the list of values tochoose from.
You work your way through it.
But most people outside of thatcircumstance are not just gonna
sit down and take time out oftheir day.
To deep dive into their corevalues, let alone maybe even.
Know how to then take their corevalues and swing them over into
(02:39):
their running atmosphere, theirrunning life,
Angie (02:41):
running atmosphere.
Kevin (02:42):
Yeah, that didn't make any sense.
So I went with life.
Angie (02:44):
I like atmosphere though.
That's the book I'm readingright now.
It's actually very good.
I'm looking forward to finishingrecording this so I can go read
my book.
So core value number one that westarted with our team was or is
Integrity.
And I did an entire episode onthis and and actually did that
episode before.
We even thought to do thislittle series on the podcast.
(03:05):
So if you can go back twoepisodes.
I did a solo episode all aboutintegrity because it was
excellent.
Thank you.
Did you listen to it?
Kevin (03:11):
Yes, I did.
Angie (03:11):
Okay, awesome.
What was your takeaway?
I'll put you
Kevin (03:14):
on the spot.
I love listening to you.
Like I just, I love listening toyou share your wisdom.
It's just fantastic.
Angie (03:21):
Aw, thanks Kev.
So go back and listen to thattwo episodes ago.
'cause last episode was, we hada guest.
Speaker, which was great.
We talked about the thyroid andperimenopause and all sorts of
fun stuff.
so two episodes ago was theIntegrity episode, so go check
that out if you haven't listenedalready.
Today we are talking about corevalue number two, which is
(03:41):
respect.
And when I brought this up toKev, he was kinda like, okay,
how exactly?
what's your angle on this one?
Because with our cross countryteam, it's.
Pretty under, like it's easierto define respect, right?
Respect for the team, respectfor your coaches, like you wanna
talk about that?
Kevin (03:57):
Yeah.
I mean with the high schoolkids, putting in a value of
respect is actually remarkablyimportant because it makes sure
that they understand theseriousness of what this is.
We wanna make sure we're havingfun out there.
But there's a level of respectthat needs to be brought to all
the whole circumstance.
Like whether it's in practice,before practice, during a race,
everything should have someundercurrent of respect to it.
So it made a whole lot of sense.
(04:17):
I said, how are we pulling thisout of a team full of high
school kids and adopting it tosay like us, like how would I
apply respect?
I thought you had some wonderfulthoughts and that's what we're
diving into in this episode.
Angie (04:28):
Yeah.
And you also had some wonderfulthoughts to contribute.
Kevin (04:31):
Thank you.
Angie (04:31):
so the way that we're gonna start is really respect
for self and that, because thisis automatically where my brain
went, is I think of this asrunning is a way that we can
show respect for ourselves, orthat we can not show respect for
ourselves.
And so it really depends on how.
We look at this, so are weshowing respect for our body by
(04:53):
giving it the rest that itneeds, giving it the recovery
that it needs, giving it thefuel and the nutrition that it
needs.
Because when we restrict ourfood, that can, could be a lack
of respect for our body.
Like it depends on if you wantto think of it that way.
That's how I.
Have chosen to think about itrecently because I've been
trying to break out of dietculture in my brain for so long
(05:16):
that I now see fueling as a.
Very tangible way for me torespect my body and give my body
the fuel and the nourishmentthat it needs.
Kevin (05:25):
Yeah, no, all of that makes perfect sense, and that's
clearly a level of respect.
It's a respect for yourself tomake sure that your, it goes, it
dives into some of these kind ofmeld together, but it is a way
of respecting what you'reputting into it.
It's not just about going outfor a run, but then respecting
your body to make sure that youare, an overall healthy
individual, not just someonewho.
(05:46):
Who goes and runs and then hasthe rest of their life.
Angie (05:48):
exactly.
I see running as another waythat we can respect our mind or
that we can work on our mindset.
This is,'cause Kevin was kindalike, how does this differ from
integrity and.
All of these things areconnected.
Even when we were going throughit with the cross country team.
oh, I, we didn't even tell themlike what we did differently
this year.
Yeah.
With the cross-country team.
(06:09):
So basically the coaches, Kevinand I, and we brought in another
assistant coach this season aswell.
We got together and I came upwith the five ideas of what I
thought might be good, and we ascoaches decided on these are
gonna be our five core values.
And then we took those to theteam and I gave them a
definition of what I thoughtthat meant, or what we as a
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coach coaching staff, thoughtthat meant.
And then asked them, what do youguys think this means and how
does this apply to you in.
Your everyday practice, like inpractices, in meets in running,
like how does this actually showup?
And a lot of them started off bytrying to give us the answers
that we wanted to hear.
Yes.
Definitely trying to
Kevin (06:50):
give the correct answer.
Angie (06:51):
Definitely trying to give the correct answer.
And I'm like, okay, but whatdoes that actually look like?
And they were like, doing theright thing.
And I was like, but how do youknow if you're doing the right
thing?
Like what is it?
If I took a video camera.
And I love this test.
If you took a video camera andstarted filming someone, how
would you know that they wereshowing respect or integrity or
the other three that we're gonnatalk about in, in future
(07:13):
episodes?
Like how would you actually seeit?
And so that this is like whereit starts to get really good,
oh, they would be.
Here on time, right?
Like we talked about being ontime as a big thing.
and you guys know that if youlisten to the Integrity episode,
that was one of my big thingsabout being in integrity as
well.
That's also respect for self,respect for the team, respect
for your running buddies thatyou are.
(07:35):
Going to meet on a group run,possibly.
being on time is a way to showrespect for all of those things.
Kevin (07:41):
Yeah.
So getting them to actuallyexplain how they would show
these things I think is gonnaget a whole lot more than these
are our values.
it's more like the officeculture where you're told
values.
They go in like a poster on awall.
Yeah.
And then you never talk aboutthem again.
Trying to have kids let us knowwhat.
Actions would actually representthese values, gives them
something to go for.
alright, yes, respect, but I'mgonna do these things and then
(08:04):
people will naturally sense therespect coming from that.
Angie (08:07):
Yeah.
So another way that I think thatwe can choose to respect
ourselves or not would be.
With the thoughts that arepopping up in our brain with our
self-talk, mainly, like a lot ofus can be really mean to
ourselves.
Like our brain, our brains canbe very mean to us.
So we can either encourageourselves and tell ourselves how
great we are, or we can tearourselves down and tell
(08:30):
ourselves, I'm slow, I'm lazy.
I just I should really be doingthis The way that you talk to
yourself shows a level ofself-respect as well, whether or
not anyone else hears it.
Kevin (08:41):
I think that this type of respect flows into the next one
that you have of identityrespect.
Of owning the fact that you area runner.
Yeah.
Regardless of pace, regardlessof mileage, regardless of
whether you run races or not,regardless of all sorts of
things.
You are still a runner.
And that leads to being able tohave a more positive mindset.
'cause there's a lot of peoplethat have negative mindset of
(09:03):
oh, I, it's okay if I take awalking break here'cause I'm not
a real runner.
It's okay if I take a couple ofoff days because I'm not a real
runner.
Yeah.
You are a runner.
Have that level of respect andhave that respect for yourself.
Drive the positive mindset Thatyou can bring when you go and
work out.
Angie (09:19):
And I think that kind of along those same lines too, is
respecting your potential.
And I think that's a really bigpiece of this as well, is if you
don't believe that you have anypotential to improve or to get
better as a runner, it's goingto be very easy for you to blow
off runs or training sessionslike you just mentioned.
Versus if you say, I know I havesome potential, or at least I
(09:42):
think I do, or at least I'mwilling to.
Look for some, right?
I'm willing to believe that Ihave potential.
'cause maybe for you right now,it's hard for you to believe
that, especially if you've beengetting older, if you've noticed
maybe that you're slowing downif things aren't feeling the
same way that they used to.
It can be harder to believe thissometimes, but do you believe in
(10:05):
willing to look, willing to beopen to this fact, right?
That could be another way tolook at this as well, I think
there is respecting yourpotential, and then there's also
respecting the limits of whereyou currently are right now.
If this makes senses, and thisis a tricky one, it's a, yeah,
this is a tricky one, right?
Because in some ways you do haveto respect your limits.
(10:25):
If you are currently runningfive miles a week, it's not a
good idea to just jump intorunning 30 miles a week.
That is not the smartest choiceif you want to stay injury free,
right?
There's.
Definitely potential.
You can definitely get to thatdown the road if you want to.
Yeah.
But going from five on week oneto 30 on week two would not be
(10:47):
the best way to do that.
So you need to respect the limitthat you know your body has
right now and respect thepotential that you do have the
room to get there.
Kevin (10:56):
Yeah.
respect the timeline thatrunning takes.
This is not a quick process.
if you are like, oh, I reallywanna push for a pr, if you're
running a, a.
Four hour marathon, you wannarun a three and a half hour
marathon.
That's not happening next week.
there's some time involved inthat.
There's some training necessaryfor that and.
Respect your limits.
Know what you're willing to putinto this of whether you're
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willing to put in the work thatis going to change you from
being four to three and a half,from being three and a half to
three, like these are difficultjumps to make.
Do you have the bandwidth topull that off?
Respect what it's going torequire and will you can see the
potential respect, whether youcan fully honor all of that
potential with other thingsgoing on in your life.
Angie (11:38):
And I think that ties next nicely into our next
section was, which is more ofthe section that you really
wanted to add to this podcast,which is respect for the sport.
And part of what you know to tieinto what you just said is
respecting the process.
I think that's a huge part ofrunning is understanding that.
There's more that is, that youare capable of that progress is
(12:00):
unfortunately not linear, butyou have to respect the process.
You have to put in the work ifyou want to see a return.
Kevin (12:08):
Yeah, you, there's no cutting corners and getting
success out of distance,running, like it's just, it's
not gonna work.
If you want to get solidresults, you have to put in a
good amount of time and effort.
I forget what the exact line isout of once a runner, but
there's something about the onlyway to actually improve as a
(12:28):
runner is day by day ever.
So gradually removing onemolecule at a time, the very
hard rubber from the bottom ofyour soles.
that's what it's like if youwant to get better, there's, you
have to actually go put in thework step by step.
that's how you do it.
Sure.
There are ways to get aroundthis.
There are certainly shortcutsand you look, you take it to
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professional athletes.
There may be some people thatare finding some shortcuts
towards certain things, but thebest way, legal
Angie (12:55):
or illegal,
Kevin (12:56):
that's what I was perhaps alluding to.
Yeah.
but.
The way to actually truly enjoyit.
And, we could, we're not gonnadive into a Supers shoe
discussion, but I feel likeregardless of what the time on
the clock says, you can enjoythe process and decide whether
you are fully investing inyourself to try and see what
that potential is.
(13:17):
Whatever.
Extra stuff you're doing on topof it, whether you're buying
into various stuff that you seeon social media of this is the
magic pre-race, or thepost-race, or the post exercise,
or whatever the things are.
Making sure that you justgenerally take care of yourself
without searching for someperfect magic bullet that you're
just.
Taking care of yourself and,respecting the idea that this is
(13:39):
a slow process and it's ajourney of improving as a runner
while you improve as a human, Ithink is my take.
Angie (13:47):
Yeah.
you went big with that one.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Kevin (13:49):
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to pre and drop.
My favorite quote of runningalso though, go for it Is to
give anything less than yourbest is to sacrifice the gift.
He didn't say to get anythingless than a gold medal is to
sacrifice the, to sacrifice thegift.
He said to give less than yourbest.
Like he went to the local prisonand founded a running club in
the prison.
Those people weren't out therewinning medals.
(14:10):
That wasn't what it was about.
Yeah.
Don't get me anybody wrong.
He wanted to, but that wasn'tthe point.
Oh, he was ultra competitive.
But that the point was, how muchcan I squeeze out of myself?
Yeah.
And it wasn't about, He wascertainly chasing medals and
times.
But it was purely how hard can Isqueeze myself to get everything
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out of myself.
Angie (14:32):
Yeah.
And I think that really tiesback to cross country too,
because when we just had ourfirst race of the season over
the weekend as well, and whenthe girls were standing there on
the line, some of them were justhappy.
Some of them were excited, someof them were genuinely very
nervous.
And a couple of them, I lookedat them and I said.
Look, and then actually I saidthis to the whole varsity team.
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I said, you don't have controlover the number on the clock.
You do have control over theeffort that you put in.
So if you cross the finish lineand you can tell me, coach, I
gave my best effort today,that's all we can ask of you.
I am going to be proud of you nomatter what.
No matter what that clock says.
If you look at me and you say,coach, I did my best today.
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That's all we want.
And that's respect.
And I think that we as runners.
Giving our best every single dayis a part of respect, and that
does not mean that you give 100%of everything you have on every
single given day.
You give what?
Is available, I think to youlike, because sometimes your
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best is 20%, sometimes your bestis 40%.
And so if you're giving thatamount, technically you are
giving a hundred percent.
Giving everything I've got.
if you think of it that way, butsometimes,'cause I think that we
can mistake this though withgiving my best effort means
pushing myself to the limit.
And that's not what it means.
if you are.
(15:58):
Schedule says Today is an easyday.
It is your job to go out and runlevel two outta 10.
Keep it nice and easy.
Your best effort would be toactually maintain a level two
run, not to try to push itfaster, not to do an L five or
an L seven or an L eight, justbecause you can.
Yep.
Respecting the process andgiving your best effort on that
(16:22):
day means My effort today issupposed to be an L two, so I'm
gonna go out and I'm gonna runan L two.
Kevin (16:27):
And maybe you're mentally not fully there and you can't
hold yourself in an L two and itgradually slips up to an L
three.
That's how it might slide.
Okay.
But that doesn't mean, butthat's normal.
That's completely normal.
Yeah.
But that's very different than.
I feel great, and so instead ofL two, I'm gonna bump this thing
to an L five and squeeze moreout of it.
(16:49):
That's just ignoring theprocess.
Yeah.
That thing, if I push harder allthe time, it's gonna happen.
These, sometimes I've got thecapacity to be like, Nope.
Let's make sure this is nice andcomfortable.
let.
And focus and check inperiodically to make sure it's
comfortable.
And sometimes I don't.
Sometimes the answer is, let'stake it out comfortable put on a
podcast or music and just flowthrough the thing.
(17:10):
Yeah.
And if the times pick up, if thepaces pick up, sometimes I
finished the run, I looked at myheart rate.
I was like, those last two mileswere a little harder than they
should have been.
But I didn't have the mentalcapacity to slow myself down.
I needed to just check out, puton some whatever in my ears, and
go for a run on that morning.
Angie (17:26):
Yeah.
And I think that's a way thatyou can respect yourself, right?
And I think that's where some ofthese lines can sometimes be
blurred.
Yeah.
Is am I respecting myself andwhat I need today or am I
respecting the sport and theeffort level and my training
plan?
Because that's a piece of ittoo, right?
Respecting the sport is, ifyou're following a training
plan, is actually sticking tothat training plan and doing
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what's on your training planbecause.
If you don't do what'sprescribed on your plan, and
then like, how do you trulyexpect to get the results, then
if you don't get the resultsthat you were hoping for, can
you really be mad?
Yeah.
if you follow it for the mostpart, and no one's ever gonna be
100% perfect in their trainingplan, the time we become
Kevin (18:06):
box checkers on our team,
Angie (18:08):
and that's great.
and that's fine.
I love the box checkers.
I like checking boxes as well,but.
It doesn't mean that you have tobe a hundred percent perfect in
order to get the results.
I, I think is what I'm trying tosay.
That's great.
Kevin (18:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I'm completely with you.
it is very much, it's a balanceof respect yourself, but respect
what the plan is in order to tryand achieve the results as
possible.
And you have to work those twothings together, but both of
them, it's a balance ofrespecting the sport and
respecting your own personalbody.
Yeah.
And.
Kind of balancing those twolevels of respect.
Angie (18:37):
Yeah, and I think that's also what we can add in here as
well is respect for what isrequired.
if when you choose to run a halfmarathon, a marathon, an ultra
marathon, whatever it is,whatever your goal is, there is
a process that is involved andsometimes, so I'm just gonna
take a marathon'cause that's aneasy example.
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Training for a marathon is notjust about running training for
a marathon is also aboutstrength training, making sure
that you're not getting injured.
It's doing mobility work, it'smaking sure that you're eating
enough food, it's making surethat you're getting enough
sleep.
Like all of those things arerespect for the process.
It's not just the running.
So it's about all of thosethings.
And it's also tied back intorespect for yourself and for,
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making sure that you're takingcare of your body in the best
way so that you can do thisthing that you wanna be able to
do.
Kevin (19:26):
So signing up for things that you can actually put in the
appropriate amount of work for.
Don't sign up just for thingsbecause they sound good.
It goes back to the entireprinciple of core values.
Don't say this is a core valueif you don't actually find it
important, don't sign up for arace just'cause it seems like a
good idea.
Don't suggest Oh no respect.
That's gonna be one of my topcore values.
if it's not, there's, in thebook you alluded to.
(19:49):
There's a list of what, like 80,90 core values?
Yeah, there's a lot.
There's a lot.
Like we have five, there areother ones to choose.
There's
Angie (19:55):
a lot of really good ones to choose coming down, narrowing
down, that's the word I'mlooking for.
Narrowing down your core valuesis a really hard process.
I remember when I read thisbook, however long ago that was,
I asked you to do this exercisewith me, and you're like, these
mean the same things.
I don't understand what the heckis the difference between this
word and this word.
And I'm like, they're the same.
It's just which one you connectto more.
Yes.
which one defines that thing foryou?
Kevin (20:17):
Yeah.
it's all about finding likefreedom
Angie (20:18):
and independence.
Yes.
They basically mean the samething, but they're also kinda
different.
Yeah.
Kevin (20:23):
And but you look of a definition online.
Yeah.
And it might be different thanthe way that you define that in
your heart.
And that, I think, is what makescore values really important, is
they're not just words thatsomebody else suggests.
They're words that you canconnect to.
Yeah.
And put actions to.
Angie (20:37):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
All right.
The fourth.
The fourth thing, but the nextthing we wanna talk about is
respect for the competition.
I think this is actually athree.
So it's respect for self,respect for the sport, and then
respect for competition.
And competition.
We don't just mean the otherpeople that you're running
against, quote unquote, against.
'cause I think that as real liferunners we, we often look at
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racing differently than eliteor.
Quote unquote more competitiverunners.
But I think that this is whatwe're gonna be talking about
right now, right?
Yeah.
It's like what exactly iscompetition?
It doesn't mean that you're justgoing out and trying to beat
other people, which is kinda theway you used to look at running
from your days in cross country.
And that's, what we tell ourrunners right now in cross
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country is it is a team sportand.
Our goal is to beat the otherteams.
yes, we want you to go out thereand run your best, but the goal
is for us to beat as many otherrunners out there as possible so
that we can get a better teamscore and do better in that
meet.
Kevin (21:35):
Yeah.
And within the context of arace.
Yeah.
That really helps inspirepeople.
It's very difficult for that tobe,'cause
Angie (21:41):
they're high school kids too,
Kevin (21:42):
right?
Angie (21:43):
Yeah.
Kevin (21:43):
So you tell somebody when they can see the finish line.
I need you to beat that personin a red shirt.
I need you to beat that personin the blue shirt.
And they'll go do it as best asthey possibly can because
they're into the competition.
We got other people that areless into the competing against
others, and they're going ashard as they can.
You tell'em, I need you to catchthat person in the shirt.
They're like, yeah, I'm gonna goas fast as I can.
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And if I pass.
A person in that colored shirt.
Great.
Yeah.
But if not, eh, then I don't,they really don't care.
This is as hard as I can pushmyself right now.
And they're not gonna find anextra, there's no more juice to
squeeze just because there'ssomebody three steps in front of
them.
Yeah.
There's just not.
Angie (22:19):
Yeah.
And I think there's, we as reallife runners can use other
people in races as competition.
Like we can use those.
You've done this, I have donethis, I've done this both.
To, just stay, like I've givenmyself a target and said don't
let that person get away fromyou.
So I've let this person in frontof me pull me along mentally.
and then, yeah, I also havetried to beat others towards the
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end of the race as A way not.
Because I have anything againstthem by any means, but just as a
way to push myself of I'm gonna,I'm gonna beat that person now.
It's just a way, like you said,to try to get a little bit more
juice out when you're pushingyourself to your limits there.
Kevin (22:54):
Yeah.
But I think that an interestingway of looking at this, like on
our team, respect for thecompetition, we talked about
respect for your teammates, workreally hard for the other people
on your team.
As real life runners.
Everybody who signs up, like wewill go back to your marathon.
You could pick a half marathon,one of these longer races.
People are shelling out a decentamount of money for this.
Yeah.
To all go for the same goal
Angie (23:14):
and some traveling outta town.
Kevin (23:16):
So what creates a team other than people who are all
United doing the same activitytowards the same goal at the
same time?
Yeah.
That's a team.
yes, there's whatever place youfinished in the race, but
technically you are allteammates out there.
Yeah.
Striving for the same goal.
Angie (23:33):
and along those lines, this is one of the things that
we told our team as well, is noone's here is going to be mad at
you if you beat them in a race.
let's take that off the table,right?
We are all here to make eachother better.
And so you beating yourteammate,'cause we've had this
in the past where we've had.
Kids that were faster than theirteammates, but they didn't wanna
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pass their teammate becausemaybe that teammate was older
than them.
that teammate was a senior andthey're like, I don't wanna pass
the senior, but we're like, no.
You have to go pass the senior.
You gotta go now.
Like this is your job to passthe senior because.
That's going to make the teambetter, it's gonna make you
better.
It's gonna make that seniormaybe push a little bit harder
to keep up with you.
And that is a level of healthycompetition versus more of a
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toxic competition or a toxiccomparison.
there are people out there thatdon't wanna get beat that.
Do have a complex and want to bethe fastest on the team or don't
like it when other people passthem or beat them in a race.
That would be more on the toxiclevel versus healthy
competition.
Where I love when I see runnerspassing maybe one of the runners
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is feeling strong that day.
And she goes to pass either herteammate or even someone on the
other team.
I've seen this, and this is oneof the things I love about cross
country, is it really is, eventhough we are separate teams all
competing against each other,there is this level of comradery
between runners and you see thisall the time in, real life
runner races.
Essentially.
Kevin (24:58):
There's a level of respect on the cross country
level also.
Yeah,
Angie (25:02):
there is for sure.
And so it's like.
When I see people pass andthey're like, come on, let's go.
Like they bring that otherperson along with them because
they're, again, respect for yourcompetitors.
let's do this.
let's beat the course too.
Yes.
Together.
Let's beat
Kevin (25:16):
the course together.
That's a great way of puttingit.
the number of people on our teamthat this was their first race
or, they're not some of thefastest kids in it, and they
were towards the back and it waslike, it wasn't still a huge
pack of runners.
It was like.
Runner and then 10 steps, andthen another runner, and then
maybe 20 steps and anotherrunner.
And I was finding like our kidsand kids from other teams and I
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could hear the other coach yellout and cheer for their kid and
then I'd cheer for our kid and Iwas telling'em all.
I'm like, that kid on the otherteam, that's your new best
friend for today.
You two are running this racetogether.
Yeah.
Go catch up with, you know thatkid's name?
Like I would listen to the othercoaches, I'm like.
There's no reason for the two ofyou to be running five steps
apart from each other.
Yeah, go next to each other.
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This is your name.
That's his name.
Go run together because it'sgonna be a whole heck of a lot
easier if the two of you aretogether in this thing.
Angie (26:08):
So funny because so many times the cross country kids are
more of like the introverted,quieter, so much personalities.
You're like.
Go make friends with this kid asyou run with them
Kevin (26:18):
so much, but yeah.
But you don't have to go andchat with them the entire time.
Yeah.
But the difference betweenrunning five steps behind them
and running next to them, evenif you never say a word to them.
Is.
That's gonna make a difference.
It's gonna make a difference inboth of the outcomes of that
race,
Angie (26:34):
right?
And so I think that's where youcan use other people to help you
respect yourself as well, right?
Like you are running againstyourself as much as you're
running against other people.
And sometimes we can use otherpeople to beat yourself and I
don't know if that is.
Along the same lines of respectof beating yourself, but in a
way it can be, because goingback to what we were talking
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about before with our negativeself-talk is like we want to
beat down our negative self-talkand show ourselves and find
evidence and prove to ourselves,Hey, I can do this.
I'm not going to let theself-talk win.
And sometimes doing somethingthat you didn't believe was
possible, whether that's in arace or just on a normal
training run.
Can be that boost that you cando to show greater respect for
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yourself.
Kevin (27:21):
Yeah.
does that
Angie (27:21):
make sense?
Yeah.
Kevin (27:22):
No, it's completely, but there's so many other people in
competitions.
That's the last, ultra that Iran.
I love that it was such a bigloop course because I was
passing other people, whether Iwas lapping them or
crisscrossing.
'cause the course went back overitself.
So sometimes I would pass peoplefrom behind, but sometimes we
were just running oppositedirections.
Everybody was cheering foreverybody.
Yeah.
That was the thing.
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And then, I don't know, withhowever many miles to go, some
guy passed me and I'm like, ohshoot.
I'm pretty sure that guyactually just passed me in the
race.
Yeah.
And I tried to keep up with him.
Like he dragged me to probably afew minutes faster.
I'm like, this is good.
I may have been able to gofaster and now this guy is here
and I'll try and go with him andsee happens.
And it turned out I couldn'tstay with him, but it was
something.
And afterwards, I wish that hewas still at the finish line,
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but I think he got in the carand drove away.
'cause it was.
Starting to rain.
it was, but it was great.
And then the woman who won theoverall, I heard her coming up
behind me.
That certainly gave me a boostfor the final quarter mile.
I would not have run that finalquarter mile as fast as I did if
I didn't hear her coming upbehind me.
Yeah.
And her pacer cheering her onfor the entire last mile of the
race, like he was screaming forher.
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So yeah, respect for everybodyelse who's out there putting in
the work and trying as hard asthey can.
Angie (28:30):
Yeah.
Because when we look atcompetition, like respect is
really giving your best effortnot diminishing someone else's.
Yes.
It's not about you sayinganybody else is less than, or
you being better than anyoneelse.
It's saying.
I'm gonna respect myself and youby giving my best effort.
(28:51):
Because if you slow yourselfdown, like our, on our cross
country team, yeah.
If you slow yourself down,that's not actually showing
respect for your teammate.
No.
That's not giving them a levelof respect.
It is more respectful, I think,to, for you to give your best
effort and invite them.
To come along with you.
And if they can't that day, thenso be it.
That's okay.
Kevin (29:12):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And we had that happen on theteam, this week of two girls
that were running together andone started, you could see her,
she had the side stitch and itwas like, you have to leave your
teammate.
She's got a side stitch and isstruggling.
Yeah.
And the other one pulled ahead.
And by the time it was at thefinish line.
The one with the side stitchthat had disappeared and she was
back.
But would she have been able todo it if the other one didn't
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pull ahead?
Yeah, don't slow down for theteammates who's got the side
stitch and struggling.
Pull ahead because you need togo chase down some more people
and see what you got.
She's gonna give the best thatshe possibly can.
Don't waste her effort byslowing yourself down.
Yeah, she's trying really hard.
You should be trying reallyhard.
Also, don't slow down and belike, oh, I'll just, I'll stay
with you.
(29:52):
That's not helping, that's notrespect for the sport or your
teammate.
Angie (29:56):
Yeah.
It's like I told the girls atthe starting, I think it was at
the starting line, it might havebeen a practice, but at one
point last week, I said, risingtides raise all ships.
Kevin (30:05):
Yep.
Angie (30:05):
And they all looked at me like, huh, what are you talking
about, coach?
And that's really what we'retalking about here, is that
like.
When we all rise together, likerising tides, when we push
ourselves higher, all ships riseup, right?
And that's really what we'reinviting ourselves to do by
respecting ourselves and byrespecting our competition, by
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respecting the sport, we areshowing up in a different way.
And I think that it's reallyimportant.
We would just invite you toreflect on this week and say,
figure out where am I res doinga good job, respecting myself,
respecting, running, andrespecting all of these
different areas of my life.
And by all means, please take itoutside of running as well, if
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you wanna, of course, apply itto other areas.
And then also get honest withyourself and say, okay, where am
I not respecting myself?
Where am I not respecting,running?
how can I show up with morerespect?
In my running, in my fitness, inmy health, in my life.
be a cool opportunity for someintrospection.
Kevin (31:05):
Yeah, of course.
And it like respect goes beyondrunning, even within running,
where can I respect myself in myoverall health?
Because that is why I think alot of us are here is overall
health.
Yes.
It's cool to have the times onthe clock get lower.
Yeah.
But respect my overall health.
Yeah.
And fitness.
Angie (31:21):
Yeah.
And this was definitelysomething that I had to do last
week as well.
So when we go back to when wewere talking about respecting
our limitations.
Last week, I tweaked my back andactually it was, I guess like a
little over a week ago at thispoint, like a week and a half
ago, I tweaked my back and so Idid have to respect my body and
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what my body was telling me.
As much as I didn't want to pullback, that was what I needed to
do.
so I had to pull back on mystrength workouts and luckily.
It lined up with a deloadingweek, which was nice'cause I was
supposed to pull back anyway.
so I pulled back on my strengthexercises so I didn't go as
heavy.
I did not, I modified some ofthe exercises, a couple of the
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exercises that I know were.
That tend to aggravate my backmore, are more likely to
aggravate my back.
I took those out for the week.
I did some extra kind of corework and some extra mobility
work because that was the wayfor me to respect my body in
that moment and what my body wastrying to tell me.
Yeah.
Kevin (32:21):
appropriate adjustments that are still moving your
overall health forward.
Yeah, but you're not stringingyourself.
You're not so tied down to whatthe schedule said that you have
to do these certain exercises.
There's a level of respect foryour overall long-term health.
That getting in, certainexercises that are just going to
prolong your back issue is notactually respect for your
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overall health.
Angie (32:42):
No.
do you feel like you've had anexample recently where you've
had to do this too?
Kevin (32:47):
last, I do this almost anytime.
I don't get enough sleep overthe course of a few days.
if I can see that I'm lackingsleep e.
One day outta the week.
Every once in a while it's okay,we're up a little late, but I
need to make sure that I get inmy run.
And the only time I'm gonna beable to get it in is if I get up
and run before school.
But I won't do that back toback.
Like it gets to a point whereit's like, all right, I've done
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this too many times in a row.
I'm not getting enough sleep.
So I was not aiming for an offday tomorrow.
Maybe I'll be able to run atpractice, but probably not, and
that's gonna be okay because Ineed to make sure that I get
enough sleep.
Yeah.
sleep is one of my biggestpriorities, honestly.
Angie (33:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
Think about it for yourself.
like the, Kevin and I havedefinitely had to adjust things
over this past week.
We had, a loss.
We lost our beloved doggy, lastweek.
And those of you that are a partof our real life runners team,
you know what happened, you knowthe story.
And that was a super traumaticexperience, especially for me.
It was traumatic for our wholefamily.
(33:43):
but it.
I definitely had to honor what Iwas experiencing emotionally
last week as well.
Kevin (33:51):
Oh.
My training week was completelyjust based off of emotions.
Yeah.
It was like, I'm gonna go outand do a speed session today.
Nope.
I am sad.
Yeah.
It's gonna be an easy run.
And then it was like, I'm gonnado strides.
And then I started running and Iwas at like an anger point of
grief.
And I was like, Nope, notstrides, I'm just gonna run.
Fast as I can right now until Ican't breathe anymore.
(34:11):
Yeah.
And then it was just likeheaving, like on the other side
of our neighborhood.
It, but that's what my headneeded.
Yeah.
Not necessarily what my bodyneeded.
No.
that was not some
Angie (34:21):
that needs to take priority.
Yes.
It was
Kevin (34:23):
not a great training week.
No.
It's what I needed.
Angie (34:25):
And I think that's where really a way that we can respect
ourselves as well, is I did thesame thing.
Like I modified my training, notjust for my back things, but
also emotionally, normally myTuesday runs, I wake up at five,
5:00 AM and go train with myfriends.
And I did not do that lastTuesday because, it happened on
Monday night.
the accident happened on Mondaynight and I just.
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I couldn't like, and so I wentout and I ran three miles on
Tuesday by myself and cried myentire run.
And that is, it was not a goodrun, but running, and this is
wild, a couple episodes agoabout what, a month and a half
ago we had a guest on my friendShiel, and she talked about
processing grief and running isa way to move emotions through
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the body.
And man, did I put that intopractice on that run.
But I really had to respect,what my body was asking of me
and what.
Running was allowing me to do
Kevin (35:17):
Yeah.
Running allowed.
And you got something out ofthat run.
Yeah.
I was going to run on Tuesday.
and I don't think you came topractice that day, I think that
you were home.
No, I did not.
Yeah.
And I told the other assistantcoach on the team, I go, yeah, I
was gonna run today, but I'm sadso I'm not.
And that was it.
that was the full thing.
Yeah.
Like I just, I'm, and I'm not
Angie (35:36):
doing that today.
Yeah.
And that, I think that'simportant that like when.
We are sad.
And that doesn't mean we neverrun when we're sad, but it means
that you know yourself.
And that was not the day to dothat.
Kevin (35:49):
No, that was gonna be too much.
Yeah.
That was just gonna be too much.
Angie (35:52):
And for me, it was like I, I just needed to get out and
move my body.
I needed to run, I needed towalk, I needed to scream at the
sky.
I was upset, I was angry.
I was all so many differentemotions.
Tuesday I think was one of thehardest days of my entire life
up until now, and it.
Respect for myself meant givingmyself the space to feel all the
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yucky feelings and to feel allthe things that I needed to
feel.
And running was a part of thatfor me.
And running was not a part of itfor you that day, but not that
day, but was other
Kevin (36:22):
days.
Yeah.
I worked through all thosevarious emotions in different
runs through the rest of theweek.
I just, I didn't have anythingin me Yeah.
On that Tuesday.
Yeah.
Angie (36:30):
you had to work all day too.
And I, it was afforded the spaceto
Kevin (36:34):
Yeah.
Angie (36:35):
Like I did some work, but I minimized it.
Kevin (36:38):
I literally have no idea how I taught that day.
Yeah.
I'm not sure what the kidslearned.
Yeah.
Angie (36:42):
I dunno.
But anyway, thank you guys.
Thank you to everyone thatreached out and, Said such
wonderful, nice things and sentyour love and your prayers.
Whether or not you actually senta message, maybe you just
thought of us or sent prayers orlove.
we appreciate it.
It's been a really tough weekfor our family.
but we're getting through and,There we go.
Kevin (37:00):
respect.
Angie (37:01):
R-E-S-P-C-C.
I hope
Kevin (37:03):
you're gonna sing some more.
Where's yours?
I have no, you're
Angie (37:05):
not gonna, you're not gonna bring in?
Kevin (37:07):
Nope.
Angie (37:07):
Come on.
Kevin (37:08):
no.
Angie (37:10):
Alright.
Sounds good.
All right, you guys.
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Now, get out there and run yourlife.
R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
Find out what it means to me.
So today we're talking aboutrespect.
We're starting a new series.
Kevin (00:08):
I did not see the song coming.
I did not
Angie (00:11):
see that coming.
I did not see it coming.
come on.
So we are starting a new serieshere where we are talking about
core values, and we recentlydefined our core values for our
cross country team.
And we're gonna talk about thosefive core values and how those
apply to us as real liferunners.
So stay tuned.
(00:50):
What's up runners?
Welcome to the show today.
Did you guys like my littleAretha?
Kevin (00:54):
It was fantastic.
I thought I was standing next toAretha.
Actually.
that's, that was my firstthought was what Aretha is in
the room.
Angie (01:01):
In no world has that ever been said ever.
so like I just mentioned, okay,we're, did it actually start a
little series here on thepodcast and today we're talking
about, so essentially over lastweek, we.
Started a, a series, I guesswith our cross country team,
right?
a journaling series where wewere talking about team core
values.
And we talk about core valuesevery year with our team.
(01:25):
But we did a little differentthis year, and I really like the
way that we.
Did our core values this yearwith our team, and so we're
gonna talk about that and thenwe're gonna take each one, one
by one and talk about how thosethings replied apply to us as
real life runners.
So we would love to offer theseto you.
You can take'em and adopt'em ifyou want.
You can just listen and make it,trigger something else in you.
(01:48):
but core values are somethingthat are really important to
define, and I think that this issomething that.
Maybe we don't take enough timeto actually think about as a
runner, like what are my corevalues really as a human, but
then also how does, how do thosethings apply to running?
Kevin (02:02):
I, most people definitely do not take time out of their
day.
Yeah.
we've got stuff going, mostpeople don't I'm gonna take the
next 30 minutes and just reallysit down and deep dive into what
my core values are as a human.
Angie (02:11):
Unless they read a book by Brene Brown.
'cause I definitely did this.
Yes.
With when I was reading herbooks, a hundred percent.
Yeah.
In the middle of
Kevin (02:17):
the book.
Then you're like, that seemslike the most appropriate
activity I should do right now.
Absolutely.
You pause the book and you gointo that guy.
You put the book down.
Yeah.
You've got the list of values tochoose from.
You work your way through it.
But most people outside of thatcircumstance are not just gonna
sit down and take time out oftheir day.
To deep dive into their corevalues, let alone maybe even.
Know how to then take their corevalues and swing them over into
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their running atmosphere, theirrunning life,
Angie (02:41):
running atmosphere.
Kevin (02:42):
Yeah, that didn't make any sense.
So I went with life.
Angie (02:44):
I like atmosphere though.
That's the book I'm readingright now.
It's actually very good.
I'm looking forward to finishingrecording this so I can go read
my book.
So core value number one that westarted with our team was or is
Integrity.
And I did an entire episode onthis and and actually did that
episode before.
We even thought to do thislittle series on the podcast.
(03:05):
So if you can go back twoepisodes.
I did a solo episode all aboutintegrity because it was
excellent.
Thank you.
Did you listen to it?
Kevin (03:11):
Yes, I did.
Angie (03:11):
Okay, awesome.
What was your takeaway?
I'll put you
Kevin (03:14):
on the spot.
I love listening to you.
Like I just, I love listening toyou share your wisdom.
It's just fantastic.
Angie (03:21):
Aw, thanks Kev.
So go back and listen to thattwo episodes ago.
'cause last episode was, we hada guest.
Speaker, which was great.
We talked about the thyroid andperimenopause and all sorts of
fun stuff.
so two episodes ago was theIntegrity episode, so go check
that out if you haven't listenedalready.
Today we are talking about corevalue number two, which is
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respect.
And when I brought this up toKev, he was kinda like, okay,
how exactly?
what's your angle on this one?
Because with our cross countryteam, it's.
Pretty under, like it's easierto define respect, right?
Respect for the team, respectfor your coaches, like you wanna
talk about that?
Kevin (03:57):
Yeah.
I mean with the high schoolkids, putting in a value of
respect is actually remarkablyimportant because it makes sure
that they understand theseriousness of what this is.
We wanna make sure we're havingfun out there.
But there's a level of respectthat needs to be brought to all
the whole circumstance.
Like whether it's in practice,before practice, during a race,
everything should have someundercurrent of respect to it.
So it made a whole lot of sense.
(04:17):
I said, how are we pulling thisout of a team full of high
school kids and adopting it tosay like us, like how would I
apply respect?
I thought you had some wonderfulthoughts and that's what we're
diving into in this episode.
Angie (04:28):
Yeah.
And you also had some wonderfulthoughts to contribute.
Kevin (04:31):
Thank you.
Angie (04:31):
so the way that we're gonna start is really respect
for self and that, because thisis automatically where my brain
went, is I think of this asrunning is a way that we can
show respect for ourselves, orthat we can not show respect for
ourselves.
And so it really depends on how.
We look at this, so are weshowing respect for our body by
(04:53):
giving it the rest that itneeds, giving it the recovery
that it needs, giving it thefuel and the nutrition that it
needs.
Because when we restrict ourfood, that can, could be a lack
of respect for our body.
Like it depends on if you wantto think of it that way.
That's how I.
Have chosen to think about itrecently because I've been
trying to break out of dietculture in my brain for so long
(05:16):
that I now see fueling as a.
Very tangible way for me torespect my body and give my body
the fuel and the nourishmentthat it needs.
Kevin (05:25):
Yeah, no, all of that makes perfect sense, and that's
clearly a level of respect.
It's a respect for yourself tomake sure that your, it goes, it
dives into some of these kind ofmeld together, but it is a way
of respecting what you'reputting into it.
It's not just about going outfor a run, but then respecting
your body to make sure that youare, an overall healthy
individual, not just someonewho.
(05:46):
Who goes and runs and then hasthe rest of their life.
Angie (05:48):
exactly.
I see running as another waythat we can respect our mind or
that we can work on our mindset.
This is,'cause Kevin was kindalike, how does this differ from
integrity and.
All of these things areconnected.
Even when we were going throughit with the cross country team.
oh, I, we didn't even tell themlike what we did differently
this year.
Yeah.
With the cross-country team.
(06:09):
So basically the coaches, Kevinand I, and we brought in another
assistant coach this season aswell.
We got together and I came upwith the five ideas of what I
thought might be good, and we ascoaches decided on these are
gonna be our five core values.
And then we took those to theteam and I gave them a
definition of what I thoughtthat meant, or what we as a
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coach coaching staff, thoughtthat meant.
And then asked them, what do youguys think this means and how
does this apply to you in.
Your everyday practice, like inpractices, in meets in running,
like how does this actually showup?
And a lot of them started off bytrying to give us the answers
that we wanted to hear.
Yes.
Definitely trying to
Kevin (06:50):
give the correct answer.
Angie (06:51):
Definitely trying to give the correct answer.
And I'm like, okay, but whatdoes that actually look like?
And they were like, doing theright thing.
And I was like, but how do youknow if you're doing the right
thing?
Like what is it?
If I took a video camera.
And I love this test.
If you took a video camera andstarted filming someone, how
would you know that they wereshowing respect or integrity or
the other three that we're gonnatalk about in, in future
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episodes?
Like how would you actually seeit?
And so that this is like whereit starts to get really good,
oh, they would be.
Here on time, right?
Like we talked about being ontime as a big thing.
and you guys know that if youlisten to the Integrity episode,
that was one of my big thingsabout being in integrity as
well.
That's also respect for self,respect for the team, respect
for your running buddies thatyou are.
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Going to meet on a group run,possibly.
being on time is a way to showrespect for all of those things.
Kevin (07:41):
Yeah.
So getting them to actuallyexplain how they would show
these things I think is gonnaget a whole lot more than these
are our values.
it's more like the officeculture where you're told
values.
They go in like a poster on awall.
Yeah.
And then you never talk aboutthem again.
Trying to have kids let us knowwhat.
Actions would actually representthese values, gives them
something to go for.
alright, yes, respect, but I'mgonna do these things and then
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people will naturally sense therespect coming from that.
Angie (08:07):
Yeah.
So another way that I think thatwe can choose to respect
ourselves or not would be.
With the thoughts that arepopping up in our brain with our
self-talk, mainly, like a lot ofus can be really mean to
ourselves.
Like our brain, our brains canbe very mean to us.
So we can either encourageourselves and tell ourselves how
great we are, or we can tearourselves down and tell
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ourselves, I'm slow, I'm lazy.
I just I should really be doingthis The way that you talk to
yourself shows a level ofself-respect as well, whether or
not anyone else hears it.
Kevin (08:41):
I think that this type of respect flows into the next one
that you have of identityrespect.
Of owning the fact that you area runner.
Yeah.
Regardless of pace, regardlessof mileage, regardless of
whether you run races or not,regardless of all sorts of
things.
You are still a runner.
And that leads to being able tohave a more positive mindset.
'cause there's a lot of peoplethat have negative mindset of
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oh, I, it's okay if I take awalking break here'cause I'm not
a real runner.
It's okay if I take a couple ofoff days because I'm not a real
runner.
Yeah.
You are a runner.
Have that level of respect andhave that respect for yourself.
Drive the positive mindset Thatyou can bring when you go and
work out.
Angie (09:19):
And I think that kind of along those same lines too, is
respecting your potential.
And I think that's a really bigpiece of this as well, is if you
don't believe that you have anypotential to improve or to get
better as a runner, it's goingto be very easy for you to blow
off runs or training sessionslike you just mentioned.
Versus if you say, I know I havesome potential, or at least I
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think I do, or at least I'mwilling to.
Look for some, right?
I'm willing to believe that Ihave potential.
'cause maybe for you right now,it's hard for you to believe
that, especially if you've beengetting older, if you've noticed
maybe that you're slowing downif things aren't feeling the
same way that they used to.
It can be harder to believe thissometimes, but do you believe in
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willing to look, willing to beopen to this fact, right?
That could be another way tolook at this as well, I think
there is respecting yourpotential, and then there's also
respecting the limits of whereyou currently are right now.
If this makes senses, and thisis a tricky one, it's a, yeah,
this is a tricky one, right?
Because in some ways you do haveto respect your limits.
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If you are currently runningfive miles a week, it's not a
good idea to just jump intorunning 30 miles a week.
That is not the smartest choiceif you want to stay injury free,
right?
There's.
Definitely potential.
You can definitely get to thatdown the road if you want to.
Yeah.
But going from five on week oneto 30 on week two would not be
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the best way to do that.
So you need to respect the limitthat you know your body has
right now and respect thepotential that you do have the
room to get there.
Kevin (10:56):
Yeah.
respect the timeline thatrunning takes.
This is not a quick process.
if you are like, oh, I reallywanna push for a pr, if you're
running a, a.
Four hour marathon, you wannarun a three and a half hour
marathon.
That's not happening next week.
there's some time involved inthat.
There's some training necessaryfor that and.
Respect your limits.
Know what you're willing to putinto this of whether you're
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willing to put in the work thatis going to change you from
being four to three and a half,from being three and a half to
three, like these are difficultjumps to make.
Do you have the bandwidth topull that off?
Respect what it's going torequire and will you can see the
potential respect, whether youcan fully honor all of that
potential with other thingsgoing on in your life.
Angie (11:38):
And I think that ties next nicely into our next
section was, which is more ofthe section that you really
wanted to add to this podcast,which is respect for the sport.
And part of what you know to tieinto what you just said is
respecting the process.
I think that's a huge part ofrunning is understanding that.
There's more that is, that youare capable of that progress is
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unfortunately not linear, butyou have to respect the process.
You have to put in the work ifyou want to see a return.
Kevin (12:08):
Yeah, you, there's no cutting corners and getting
success out of distance,running, like it's just, it's
not gonna work.
If you want to get solidresults, you have to put in a
good amount of time and effort.
I forget what the exact line isout of once a runner, but
there's something about the onlyway to actually improve as a
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runner is day by day ever.
So gradually removing onemolecule at a time, the very
hard rubber from the bottom ofyour soles.
that's what it's like if youwant to get better, there's, you
have to actually go put in thework step by step.
that's how you do it.
Sure.
There are ways to get aroundthis.
There are certainly shortcutsand you look, you take it to
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professional athletes.
There may be some people thatare finding some shortcuts
towards certain things, but thebest way, legal
Angie (12:55):
or illegal,
Kevin (12:56):
that's what I was perhaps alluding to.
Yeah.
but.
The way to actually truly enjoyit.
And, we could, we're not gonnadive into a Supers shoe
discussion, but I feel likeregardless of what the time on
the clock says, you can enjoythe process and decide whether
you are fully investing inyourself to try and see what
that potential is.
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Whatever.
Extra stuff you're doing on topof it, whether you're buying
into various stuff that you seeon social media of this is the
magic pre-race, or thepost-race, or the post exercise,
or whatever the things are.
Making sure that you justgenerally take care of yourself
without searching for someperfect magic bullet that you're
just.
Taking care of yourself and,respecting the idea that this is
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a slow process and it's ajourney of improving as a runner
while you improve as a human, Ithink is my take.
Angie (13:47):
Yeah.
you went big with that one.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Kevin (13:49):
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to pre and drop.
My favorite quote of runningalso though, go for it Is to
give anything less than yourbest is to sacrifice the gift.
He didn't say to get anythingless than a gold medal is to
sacrifice the, to sacrifice thegift.
He said to give less than yourbest.
Like he went to the local prisonand founded a running club in
the prison.
Those people weren't out therewinning medals.
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That wasn't what it was about.
Yeah.
Don't get me anybody wrong.
He wanted to, but that wasn'tthe point.
Oh, he was ultra competitive.
But that the point was, how muchcan I squeeze out of myself?
Yeah.
And it wasn't about, He wascertainly chasing medals and
times.
But it was purely how hard can Isqueeze myself to get everything
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out of myself.
Angie (14:32):
Yeah.
And I think that really tiesback to cross country too,
because when we just had ourfirst race of the season over
the weekend as well, and whenthe girls were standing there on
the line, some of them were justhappy.
Some of them were excited, someof them were genuinely very
nervous.
And a couple of them, I lookedat them and I said.
Look, and then actually I saidthis to the whole varsity team.
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I said, you don't have controlover the number on the clock.
You do have control over theeffort that you put in.
So if you cross the finish lineand you can tell me, coach, I
gave my best effort today,that's all we can ask of you.
I am going to be proud of you nomatter what.
No matter what that clock says.
If you look at me and you say,coach, I did my best today.
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That's all we want.
And that's respect.
And I think that we as runners.
Giving our best every single dayis a part of respect, and that
does not mean that you give 100%of everything you have on every
single given day.
You give what?
Is available, I think to youlike, because sometimes your
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best is 20%, sometimes your bestis 40%.
And so if you're giving thatamount, technically you are
giving a hundred percent.
Giving everything I've got.
if you think of it that way, butsometimes,'cause I think that we
can mistake this though withgiving my best effort means
pushing myself to the limit.
And that's not what it means.
if you are.
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Schedule says Today is an easyday.
It is your job to go out and runlevel two outta 10.
Keep it nice and easy.
Your best effort would be toactually maintain a level two
run, not to try to push itfaster, not to do an L five or
an L seven or an L eight, justbecause you can.
Yep.
Respecting the process andgiving your best effort on that
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day means My effort today issupposed to be an L two, so I'm
gonna go out and I'm gonna runan L two.
Kevin (16:27):
And maybe you're mentally not fully there and you can't
hold yourself in an L two and itgradually slips up to an L
three.
That's how it might slide.
Okay.
But that doesn't mean, butthat's normal.
That's completely normal.
Yeah.
But that's very different than.
I feel great, and so instead ofL two, I'm gonna bump this thing
to an L five and squeeze moreout of it.
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That's just ignoring theprocess.
Yeah.
That thing, if I push harder allthe time, it's gonna happen.
These, sometimes I've got thecapacity to be like, Nope.
Let's make sure this is nice andcomfortable.
let.
And focus and check inperiodically to make sure it's
comfortable.
And sometimes I don't.
Sometimes the answer is, let'stake it out comfortable put on a
podcast or music and just flowthrough the thing.
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Yeah.
And if the times pick up, if thepaces pick up, sometimes I
finished the run, I looked at myheart rate.
I was like, those last two mileswere a little harder than they
should have been.
But I didn't have the mentalcapacity to slow myself down.
I needed to just check out, puton some whatever in my ears, and
go for a run on that morning.
Angie (17:26):
Yeah.
And I think that's a way thatyou can respect yourself, right?
And I think that's where some ofthese lines can sometimes be
blurred.
Yeah.
Is am I respecting myself andwhat I need today or am I
respecting the sport and theeffort level and my training
plan?
Because that's a piece of ittoo, right?
Respecting the sport is, ifyou're following a training
plan, is actually sticking tothat training plan and doing
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what's on your training planbecause.
If you don't do what'sprescribed on your plan, and
then like, how do you trulyexpect to get the results, then
if you don't get the resultsthat you were hoping for, can
you really be mad?
Yeah.
if you follow it for the mostpart, and no one's ever gonna be
100% perfect in their trainingplan, the time we become
Kevin (18:06):
box checkers on our team,
Angie (18:08):
and that's great.
and that's fine.
I love the box checkers.
I like checking boxes as well,but.
It doesn't mean that you have tobe a hundred percent perfect in
order to get the results.
I, I think is what I'm trying tosay.
That's great.
Kevin (18:17):
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I'm completely with you.
it is very much, it's a balanceof respect yourself, but respect
what the plan is in order to tryand achieve the results as
possible.
And you have to work those twothings together, but both of
them, it's a balance ofrespecting the sport and
respecting your own personalbody.
Yeah.
And.
Kind of balancing those twolevels of respect.
Angie (18:37):
Yeah, and I think that's also what we can add in here as
well is respect for what isrequired.
if when you choose to run a halfmarathon, a marathon, an ultra
marathon, whatever it is,whatever your goal is, there is
a process that is involved andsometimes, so I'm just gonna
take a marathon'cause that's aneasy example.
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Training for a marathon is notjust about running training for
a marathon is also aboutstrength training, making sure
that you're not getting injured.
It's doing mobility work, it'smaking sure that you're eating
enough food, it's making surethat you're getting enough
sleep.
Like all of those things arerespect for the process.
It's not just the running.
So it's about all of thosethings.
And it's also tied back intorespect for yourself and for,
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making sure that you're takingcare of your body in the best
way so that you can do thisthing that you wanna be able to
do.
Kevin (19:26):
So signing up for things that you can actually put in the
appropriate amount of work for.
Don't sign up just for thingsbecause they sound good.
It goes back to the entireprinciple of core values.
Don't say this is a core valueif you don't actually find it
important, don't sign up for arace just'cause it seems like a
good idea.
Don't suggest Oh no respect.
That's gonna be one of my topcore values.
if it's not, there's, in thebook you alluded to.
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There's a list of what, like 80,90 core values?
Yeah, there's a lot.
There's a lot.
Like we have five, there areother ones to choose.
There's
Angie (19:55):
a lot of really good ones to choose coming down, narrowing
down, that's the word I'mlooking for.
Narrowing down your core valuesis a really hard process.
I remember when I read thisbook, however long ago that was,
I asked you to do this exercisewith me, and you're like, these
mean the same things.
I don't understand what the heckis the difference between this
word and this word.
And I'm like, they're the same.
It's just which one you connectto more.
Yes.
which one defines that thing foryou?
Kevin (20:17):
Yeah.
it's all about finding likefreedom
Angie (20:18):
and independence.
Yes.
They basically mean the samething, but they're also kinda
different.
Yeah.
Kevin (20:23):
And but you look of a definition online.
Yeah.
And it might be different thanthe way that you define that in
your heart.
And that, I think, is what makescore values really important, is
they're not just words thatsomebody else suggests.
They're words that you canconnect to.
Yeah.
And put actions to.
Angie (20:37):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
All right.
The fourth.
The fourth thing, but the nextthing we wanna talk about is
respect for the competition.
I think this is actually athree.
So it's respect for self,respect for the sport, and then
respect for competition.
And competition.
We don't just mean the otherpeople that you're running
against, quote unquote, against.
'cause I think that as real liferunners we, we often look at
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racing differently than eliteor.
Quote unquote more competitiverunners.
But I think that this is whatwe're gonna be talking about
right now, right?
Yeah.
It's like what exactly iscompetition?
It doesn't mean that you're justgoing out and trying to beat
other people, which is kinda theway you used to look at running
from your days in cross country.
And that's, what we tell ourrunners right now in cross
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country is it is a team sportand.
Our goal is to beat the otherteams.
yes, we want you to go out thereand run your best, but the goal
is for us to beat as many otherrunners out there as possible so
that we can get a better teamscore and do better in that
meet.
Kevin (21:35):
Yeah.
And within the context of arace.
Yeah.
That really helps inspirepeople.
It's very difficult for that tobe,'cause
Angie (21:41):
they're high school kids too,
Kevin (21:42):
right?
Angie (21:43):
Yeah.
Kevin (21:43):
So you tell somebody when they can see the finish line.
I need you to beat that personin a red shirt.
I need you to beat that personin the blue shirt.
And they'll go do it as best asthey possibly can because
they're into the competition.
We got other people that areless into the competing against
others, and they're going ashard as they can.
You tell'em, I need you to catchthat person in the shirt.
They're like, yeah, I'm gonna goas fast as I can.
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And if I pass.
A person in that colored shirt.
Great.
Yeah.
But if not, eh, then I don't,they really don't care.
This is as hard as I can pushmyself right now.
And they're not gonna find anextra, there's no more juice to
squeeze just because there'ssomebody three steps in front of
them.
Yeah.
There's just not.
Angie (22:19):
Yeah.
And I think there's, we as reallife runners can use other
people in races as competition.
Like we can use those.
You've done this, I have donethis, I've done this both.
To, just stay, like I've givenmyself a target and said don't
let that person get away fromyou.
So I've let this person in frontof me pull me along mentally.
and then, yeah, I also havetried to beat others towards the
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end of the race as A way not.
Because I have anything againstthem by any means, but just as a
way to push myself of I'm gonna,I'm gonna beat that person now.
It's just a way, like you said,to try to get a little bit more
juice out when you're pushingyourself to your limits there.
Kevin (22:54):
Yeah.
But I think that an interestingway of looking at this, like on
our team, respect for thecompetition, we talked about
respect for your teammates, workreally hard for the other people
on your team.
As real life runners.
Everybody who signs up, like wewill go back to your marathon.
You could pick a half marathon,one of these longer races.
People are shelling out a decentamount of money for this.
Yeah.
To all go for the same goal
Angie (23:14):
and some traveling outta town.
Kevin (23:16):
So what creates a team other than people who are all
United doing the same activitytowards the same goal at the
same time?
Yeah.
That's a team.
yes, there's whatever place youfinished in the race, but
technically you are allteammates out there.
Yeah.
Striving for the same goal.
Angie (23:33):
and along those lines, this is one of the things that
we told our team as well, is noone's here is going to be mad at
you if you beat them in a race.
let's take that off the table,right?
We are all here to make eachother better.
And so you beating yourteammate,'cause we've had this
in the past where we've had.
Kids that were faster than theirteammates, but they didn't wanna
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pass their teammate becausemaybe that teammate was older
than them.
that teammate was a senior andthey're like, I don't wanna pass
the senior, but we're like, no.
You have to go pass the senior.
You gotta go now.
Like this is your job to passthe senior because.
That's going to make the teambetter, it's gonna make you
better.
It's gonna make that seniormaybe push a little bit harder
to keep up with you.
And that is a level of healthycompetition versus more of a
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toxic competition or a toxiccomparison.
there are people out there thatdon't wanna get beat that.
Do have a complex and want to bethe fastest on the team or don't
like it when other people passthem or beat them in a race.
That would be more on the toxiclevel versus healthy
competition.
Where I love when I see runnerspassing maybe one of the runners
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is feeling strong that day.
And she goes to pass either herteammate or even someone on the
other team.
I've seen this, and this is oneof the things I love about cross
country, is it really is, eventhough we are separate teams all
competing against each other,there is this level of comradery
between runners and you see thisall the time in, real life
runner races.
Essentially.
Kevin (24:58):
There's a level of respect on the cross country
level also.
Yeah,
Angie (25:02):
there is for sure.
And so it's like.
When I see people pass andthey're like, come on, let's go.
Like they bring that otherperson along with them because
they're, again, respect for yourcompetitors.
let's do this.
let's beat the course too.
Yes.
Together.
Let's beat
Kevin (25:16):
the course together.
That's a great way of puttingit.
the number of people on our teamthat this was their first race
or, they're not some of thefastest kids in it, and they
were towards the back and it waslike, it wasn't still a huge
pack of runners.
It was like.
Runner and then 10 steps, andthen another runner, and then
maybe 20 steps and anotherrunner.
And I was finding like our kidsand kids from other teams and I
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could hear the other coach yellout and cheer for their kid and
then I'd cheer for our kid and Iwas telling'em all.
I'm like, that kid on the otherteam, that's your new best
friend for today.
You two are running this racetogether.
Yeah.
Go catch up with, you know thatkid's name?
Like I would listen to the othercoaches, I'm like.
There's no reason for the two ofyou to be running five steps
apart from each other.
Yeah, go next to each other.
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This is your name.
That's his name.
Go run together because it'sgonna be a whole heck of a lot
easier if the two of you aretogether in this thing.
Angie (26:08):
So funny because so many times the cross country kids are
more of like the introverted,quieter, so much personalities.
You're like.
Go make friends with this kid asyou run with them
Kevin (26:18):
so much, but yeah.
But you don't have to go andchat with them the entire time.
Yeah.
But the difference betweenrunning five steps behind them
and running next to them, evenif you never say a word to them.
Is.
That's gonna make a difference.
It's gonna make a difference inboth of the outcomes of that
race,
Angie (26:34):
right?
And so I think that's where youcan use other people to help you
respect yourself as well, right?
Like you are running againstyourself as much as you're
running against other people.
And sometimes we can use otherpeople to beat yourself and I
don't know if that is.
Along the same lines of respectof beating yourself, but in a
way it can be, because goingback to what we were talking
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about before with our negativeself-talk is like we want to
beat down our negative self-talkand show ourselves and find
evidence and prove to ourselves,Hey, I can do this.
I'm not going to let theself-talk win.
And sometimes doing somethingthat you didn't believe was
possible, whether that's in arace or just on a normal
training run.
Can be that boost that you cando to show greater respect for
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yourself.
Kevin (27:21):
Yeah.
does that
Angie (27:21):
make sense?
Yeah.
Kevin (27:22):
No, it's completely, but there's so many other people in
competitions.
That's the last, ultra that Iran.
I love that it was such a bigloop course because I was
passing other people, whether Iwas lapping them or
crisscrossing.
'cause the course went back overitself.
So sometimes I would pass peoplefrom behind, but sometimes we
were just running oppositedirections.
Everybody was cheering foreverybody.
Yeah.
That was the thing.
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And then, I don't know, withhowever many miles to go, some
guy passed me and I'm like, ohshoot.
I'm pretty sure that guyactually just passed me in the
race.
Yeah.
And I tried to keep up with him.
Like he dragged me to probably afew minutes faster.
I'm like, this is good.
I may have been able to gofaster and now this guy is here
and I'll try and go with him andsee happens.
And it turned out I couldn'tstay with him, but it was
something.
And afterwards, I wish that hewas still at the finish line,
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but I think he got in the carand drove away.
'cause it was.
Starting to rain.
it was, but it was great.
And then the woman who won theoverall, I heard her coming up
behind me.
That certainly gave me a boostfor the final quarter mile.
I would not have run that finalquarter mile as fast as I did if
I didn't hear her coming upbehind me.
Yeah.
And her pacer cheering her onfor the entire last mile of the
race, like he was screaming forher.
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So yeah, respect for everybodyelse who's out there putting in
the work and trying as hard asthey can.
Angie (28:30):
Yeah.
Because when we look atcompetition, like respect is
really giving your best effortnot diminishing someone else's.
Yes.
It's not about you sayinganybody else is less than, or
you being better than anyoneelse.
It's saying.
I'm gonna respect myself and youby giving my best effort.
(28:51):
Because if you slow yourselfdown, like our, on our cross
country team, yeah.
If you slow yourself down,that's not actually showing
respect for your teammate.
No.
That's not giving them a levelof respect.
It is more respectful, I think,to, for you to give your best
effort and invite them.
To come along with you.
And if they can't that day, thenso be it.
That's okay.
Kevin (29:12):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And we had that happen on theteam, this week of two girls
that were running together andone started, you could see her,
she had the side stitch and itwas like, you have to leave your
teammate.
She's got a side stitch and isstruggling.
Yeah.
And the other one pulled ahead.
And by the time it was at thefinish line.
The one with the side stitchthat had disappeared and she was
back.
But would she have been able todo it if the other one didn't
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pull ahead?
Yeah, don't slow down for theteammates who's got the side
stitch and struggling.
Pull ahead because you need togo chase down some more people
and see what you got.
She's gonna give the best thatshe possibly can.
Don't waste her effort byslowing yourself down.
Yeah, she's trying really hard.
You should be trying reallyhard.
Also, don't slow down and belike, oh, I'll just, I'll stay
with you.
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That's not helping, that's notrespect for the sport or your
teammate.
Angie (29:56):
Yeah.
It's like I told the girls atthe starting, I think it was at
the starting line, it might havebeen a practice, but at one
point last week, I said, risingtides raise all ships.
Kevin (30:05):
Yep.
Angie (30:05):
And they all looked at me like, huh, what are you talking
about, coach?
And that's really what we'retalking about here, is that
like.
When we all rise together, likerising tides, when we push
ourselves higher, all ships riseup, right?
And that's really what we'reinviting ourselves to do by
respecting ourselves and byrespecting our competition, by
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respecting the sport, we areshowing up in a different way.
And I think that it's reallyimportant.
We would just invite you toreflect on this week and say,
figure out where am I res doinga good job, respecting myself,
respecting, running, andrespecting all of these
different areas of my life.
And by all means, please take itoutside of running as well, if
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you wanna, of course, apply itto other areas.
And then also get honest withyourself and say, okay, where am
I not respecting myself?
Where am I not respecting,running?
how can I show up with morerespect?
In my running, in my fitness, inmy health, in my life.
be a cool opportunity for someintrospection.
Kevin (31:05):
Yeah, of course.
And it like respect goes beyondrunning, even within running,
where can I respect myself in myoverall health?
Because that is why I think alot of us are here is overall
health.
Yes.
It's cool to have the times onthe clock get lower.
Yeah.
But respect my overall health.
Yeah.
And fitness.
Angie (31:21):
Yeah.
And this was definitelysomething that I had to do last
week as well.
So when we go back to when wewere talking about respecting
our limitations.
Last week, I tweaked my back andactually it was, I guess like a
little over a week ago at thispoint, like a week and a half
ago, I tweaked my back and so Idid have to respect my body and
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what my body was telling me.
As much as I didn't want to pullback, that was what I needed to
do.
so I had to pull back on mystrength workouts and luckily.
It lined up with a deloadingweek, which was nice'cause I was
supposed to pull back anyway.
so I pulled back on my strengthexercises so I didn't go as
heavy.
I did not, I modified some ofthe exercises, a couple of the
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exercises that I know were.
That tend to aggravate my backmore, are more likely to
aggravate my back.
I took those out for the week.
I did some extra kind of corework and some extra mobility
work because that was the wayfor me to respect my body in
that moment and what my body wastrying to tell me.
Yeah.
Kevin (32:21):
appropriate adjustments that are still moving your
overall health forward.
Yeah, but you're not stringingyourself.
You're not so tied down to whatthe schedule said that you have
to do these certain exercises.
There's a level of respect foryour overall long-term health.
That getting in, certainexercises that are just going to
prolong your back issue is notactually respect for your
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overall health.
Angie (32:42):
No.
do you feel like you've had anexample recently where you've
had to do this too?
Kevin (32:47):
last, I do this almost anytime.
I don't get enough sleep overthe course of a few days.
if I can see that I'm lackingsleep e.
One day outta the week.
Every once in a while it's okay,we're up a little late, but I
need to make sure that I get inmy run.
And the only time I'm gonna beable to get it in is if I get up
and run before school.
But I won't do that back toback.
Like it gets to a point whereit's like, all right, I've done
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this too many times in a row.
I'm not getting enough sleep.
So I was not aiming for an offday tomorrow.
Maybe I'll be able to run atpractice, but probably not, and
that's gonna be okay because Ineed to make sure that I get
enough sleep.
Yeah.
sleep is one of my biggestpriorities, honestly.
Angie (33:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
Think about it for yourself.
like the, Kevin and I havedefinitely had to adjust things
over this past week.
We had, a loss.
We lost our beloved doggy, lastweek.
And those of you that are a partof our real life runners team,
you know what happened, you knowthe story.
And that was a super traumaticexperience, especially for me.
It was traumatic for our wholefamily.
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but it.
I definitely had to honor what Iwas experiencing emotionally
last week as well.
Kevin (33:51):
Oh.
My training week was completelyjust based off of emotions.
Yeah.
It was like, I'm gonna go outand do a speed session today.
Nope.
I am sad.
Yeah.
It's gonna be an easy run.
And then it was like, I'm gonnado strides.
And then I started running and Iwas at like an anger point of
grief.
And I was like, Nope, notstrides, I'm just gonna run.
Fast as I can right now until Ican't breathe anymore.
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Yeah.
And then it was just likeheaving, like on the other side
of our neighborhood.
It, but that's what my headneeded.
Yeah.
Not necessarily what my bodyneeded.
No.
that was not some
Angie (34:21):
that needs to take priority.
Yes.
It was
Kevin (34:23):
not a great training week.
No.
It's what I needed.
Angie (34:25):
And I think that's where really a way that we can respect
ourselves as well, is I did thesame thing.
Like I modified my training, notjust for my back things, but
also emotionally, normally myTuesday runs, I wake up at five,
5:00 AM and go train with myfriends.
And I did not do that lastTuesday because, it happened on
Monday night.
the accident happened on Mondaynight and I just.
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I couldn't like, and so I wentout and I ran three miles on
Tuesday by myself and cried myentire run.
And that is, it was not a goodrun, but running, and this is
wild, a couple episodes agoabout what, a month and a half
ago we had a guest on my friendShiel, and she talked about
processing grief and running isa way to move emotions through
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the body.
And man, did I put that intopractice on that run.
But I really had to respect,what my body was asking of me
and what.
Running was allowing me to do
Kevin (35:17):
Yeah.
Running allowed.
And you got something out ofthat run.
Yeah.
I was going to run on Tuesday.
and I don't think you came topractice that day, I think that
you were home.
No, I did not.
Yeah.
And I told the other assistantcoach on the team, I go, yeah, I
was gonna run today, but I'm sadso I'm not.
And that was it.
that was the full thing.
Yeah.
Like I just, I'm, and I'm not
Angie (35:36):
doing that today.
Yeah.
And that, I think that'simportant that like when.
We are sad.
And that doesn't mean we neverrun when we're sad, but it means
that you know yourself.
And that was not the day to dothat.
Kevin (35:49):
No, that was gonna be too much.
Yeah.
That was just gonna be too much.
Angie (35:52):
And for me, it was like I, I just needed to get out and
move my body.
I needed to run, I needed towalk, I needed to scream at the
sky.
I was upset, I was angry.
I was all so many differentemotions.
Tuesday I think was one of thehardest days of my entire life
up until now, and it.
Respect for myself meant givingmyself the space to feel all the
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yucky feelings and to feel allthe things that I needed to
feel.
And running was a part of thatfor me.
And running was not a part of itfor you that day, but not that
day, but was other
Kevin (36:22):
days.
Yeah.
I worked through all thosevarious emotions in different
runs through the rest of theweek.
I just, I didn't have anythingin me Yeah.
On that Tuesday.
Yeah.
Angie (36:30):
you had to work all day too.
And I, it was afforded the spaceto
Kevin (36:34):
Yeah.
Angie (36:35):
Like I did some work, but I minimized it.
Kevin (36:38):
I literally have no idea how I taught that day.
Yeah.
I'm not sure what the kidslearned.
Yeah.
Angie (36:42):
I dunno.
But anyway, thank you guys.
Thank you to everyone thatreached out and, Said such
wonderful, nice things and sentyour love and your prayers.
Whether or not you actually senta message, maybe you just
thought of us or sent prayers orlove.
we appreciate it.
It's been a really tough weekfor our family.
but we're getting through and,There we go.
Kevin (37:00):
respect.
Angie (37:01):
R-E-S-P-C-C.
I hope
Kevin (37:03):
you're gonna sing some more.
Where's yours?
I have no, you're
Angie (37:05):
not gonna, you're not gonna bring in?
Kevin (37:07):
Nope.
Angie (37:07):
Come on.
Kevin (37:08):
no.
Angie (37:10):
Alright.
Sounds good.
All right, you guys.
as always, thanks for joiningus.
If you haven't yet, please leaveus a review, share this podcast
with a friend.
Let us reach and help morerunners out there.
And as always, this has been theReal Life Runners podcast,
episode number 426.
Now, get out there and run yourlife.
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