December 25, 2024 • 69 mins
This episode dives into the enduring legacy of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas," exploring the original 1966 animated special, the 2000 live-action film with Jim Carrey, and the 2018 animated version featuring Benedict Cumberbatch. We analyze each adaptation's take on the Grinch's character development and the story's core message about the true spirit of Christmas.
• Comparison of the three adaptations and their unique storytelling approaches
• The increased emotional depth in Jim Carrey's portrayal
• The modernization of the Grinch's character in the 2018 animated version
• Discussion on favorite holiday traditions and how they relate to the Grinch's message
• Reflection on the impact of nostalgia in holiday films
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Welcome to Season 3 of Rebooted, where four former
film majors making a podcastabout Hollywood's favorite
pastime rebooting, recooling andnostalgia-milking every movie
except Back to the Future.
I'm Andrew, former film majorand now a director of marketing.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm Jessica, former film major and now a barista.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And I'm Rob, former film major and also a director
of marketing.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I'm Mike, former film major and now I'm a software
engineer.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
In this episode we cuddle up next to a fire to hear
a tale from the late great DrSeuss, as we pop open a can of
Dr Pepper and witness themachinations of a green beast
whose hate for Doctor who fanswould make Bruce Jenner jealous.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Bruce Jenner.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Bruce Banner.
Bruce Banner jealous.
This holiday classic.
Doctor.
Strangely Enough is.
How did that ding dang Grinchone up?
Scrooge to steal Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You're a curmudgeon, Andrew Grinch.
You really hate Christmasmovies.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Except for Die Hard.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, that's true.
And Jurassic World.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Jinx.
My favorite part of Christmasis that it's the one time of
year that Andrew's a biggercurmudgeon than me.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You take a step down to childhood joy, I really do
and I stay like this.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yes, 100%.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I fucking love christmas, you, you do I saw a
breakdown that someone said thatdie hard is more of a christmas
movie than rudolph thered-nosed reindeer, and they had
a whole breakdown on why I mean, it's true, rudolph redwood
knows reindeer only has onesmall part of the movie take
place at christmas yeah, most ofit is like, most of it is a
biopic right, right, right it's.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's a aaron sorkin biopic of ruder reindeer
politics no, the reindeer gamesand it's reindeer racism.
Rob is what it is, wow yeah Ilearned that from kiss, kiss,
bang, bang.
Oh, so there you have it allright.
(02:33):
Well, I do want to say welcomeall of you, great listeners, to
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(05:13):
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Speaker 4 (05:16):
Right, I don't know anybody like that.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, nobody I know is like that at all.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
All right, nobody I know, nobody I know is like that
at all.
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Nobody I know here refuses to go see Mad Max Fury
Road until the weatherman on TVtells him to do it.
And then he's like, yeah, I'mnot going to listen to my wife,
I'll listen to the weatherman.
I know he's not the weatherman,but I can't remember what he
does.
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I'm glad I added this .
All right, Jessica, why don'tyou give us a cool summary of
these threequels?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
of movies.
In this episode we're divinginto the three iconic
adaptations of how the GrinchStole Christmas the 1966
animated, the 2000 live actionand the 2018 animated, exploring
how each brings the beloved Drseuss story to life in its own
unique way.
The original how the grinchstole christmas is a classic 26
(06:10):
minute animated special.
Staying very true to dr seuss'srhyming, text and visual style,
it follows the grinch, a bittergreen creature who lives alone
atop mount crumpet looking downon the cheerful who's of
whoville.
Disgusted by their christmasspirit, he devises a plan to
steal christmas by taking alltheir presents, decorations and
(06:31):
food.
But when christmas morningarrives, the who's still
celebrate, teaching the grinchthat christmas doesn't come from
presents but from the heart.
The 2000 live action how thegrinch stole christmas stars jim
carrey as the grinch, addingdepth and backstory to the
character.
This version expands on theoriginal tale by exploring the
Grinch's troubled childhood inWhoville, offering a reason for
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his disdain towards Christmas,while he still attempts to ruin
Christmas for the Whos.
The Grinch is more complex,with moments of vulnerability
and emotional growth.
Complex, with moments ofvulnerability and emotional
growth.
The visual style is whimsicalyet extravagant, and Carrie's
performance brings a mix ofhumor and pathos appealing to
both kids and adults.
Finally, the Grinch 2018 is amore modern, computer-animated
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take on the story.
This version gives the Grinch aslightly different look, more
stylized and soft compared tothe original sharp lines.
Benedict Cumberbatch voices theGrinch, bringing a more subtle
and dry sense of humor to therole.
This film also expands on theGrinch's isolation and
loneliness, with a focus on hispersonal journey to the
understanding of the truemeaning of Christmas.
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Additionally, it introducesCindy Lou who as a central
character, who takes theinitiative to help the Grinch
change his ways.
The visual style is vibrant andcontemporary, making it feel
fresh while still honoring thespirit of the original.
Despite their differences intone and execution, all three
adaptations share a core messagethat Christmas is about love,
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kindness and community, notmaterial goods.
Whether through the originalanimation's simplicity, jim
Carrey's hilarious live-actionperformance or the 2018 film's
heartwarming modern twist, eachversion of how the Grinch Stole
Christmas delivers a memorableand timeless lesson for all ages
Ah who?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
dies.
Ah, who dores?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Welcome, christmas, christmas, christmas.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Wow, that was more like Christmas horror.
That was weird.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's in every single Grinch movie.
That is a staple of the Grinchmovies.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Besides your Amoeba, mr Grinch, I understand that I
understand that, but it was justlike, like it was kind of like
that creepy ghost etherealness.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
at least through my headphones here it was like a
disembodied voice haunting me onChristmas Eve for me it like
cut out, like right in themiddle of the high note, and so
it was like I couldn't reallytell what was happening.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I kind of know the song but I can't really.
I'm missing something here.
My voice just gets so high thatonly dogs can hear it.
That's just how it is.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So wait if all of our listeners just heard it,
because you're recordingseparate from Discord.
You're just calling all of ourlisteners dogs.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yes, bitches.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Wow Okay, support that Patreon.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That was really grinchy.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
All right, well, our local curmudgeon, mike, but not
at Christmas times, not atChristmas.
You give Mike a candy cane andhe turns into a young flipper
snapper.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Not a candy cane.
I thought you were going.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
If you give a mouse a cookie route and they're like
if you give Mike a candy cane,he's going to want.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
If you give Mike a mint chocolate chip cookie,
there you go.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Some snickerdoodles Some spritz cookies shaped like
Christmas trees.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh, I love spritz cookies.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He's going to want a peppermint schnapps to go with
it.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
No Bad experience.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
My mom makes these.
They're date cookies.
They're like these circlecookies with dates oh, they're
so good.
And I only get them atChristmas time.
And then she makes date bars,which has got like a crumbly
grumbly top and a layered dateoh, it's so good.
Grumbly, grumbly top and date,a layered date oh, it's so good.
(10:28):
You'll have to come over mikechristmas time here and have
some date bars and cookies.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I love christmas yeah .
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So deliciousness, deliciousness to be had, tell me
, guys, I, I kind of I want todo something here a little
different this time, because youknow, we, we do a lot of
jumping around.
We talk about muppets, we talkabout pontoons, we talk about
all sorts of strange things.
I don't know we've ever talkedabout a pontoon but we should.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
But you got me thinking back like when did that
happen?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I, you know, I saw a pontoon on a on a trailer of a
truck recently on the roadbecause someone was driving it
in the middle of winter, whichis weird.
But it got me thinking aboutpontoons and how some dude just
saw like or dudette, saw oildrums and slapped a two by four
on him and said this is a goodboat.
I mean, to me that's just I meanthey're not wrong exactly just
(11:20):
like so I just like I'm thinkingto myself all the pontoon is a
couple oil drums and a two-by orplywood, whatever.
So maybe next time we talk moreabout pontoons Although I think
we just did Rather than talkabout pontoons and Muppets and
stuff.
I kind of just want to get fromyou guys what is your favorite
(11:41):
Christmas?
I say movie, but then Mikemike's just gonna scream elf and
maybe pass out.
So let's say what's yourfavorite tradition surrounding
movie?
What do you do around christmastime to watch movies?
Do you have like, do you getlike, hot cocoa cookies?
Do you watch a specific moviebesides elf?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
listen, listen okay, elf is sacred and you shut your
mouth.
Um, okay, but no, we uh, a lotof our like family christmas
traditions revolve around likethe christmas classics on in the
background.
And when I say christmasclassics, I'm not talking like
(12:23):
christmas vacation, christmasstory I've never actually seen
either of those, weirdly enough.
I'm talking like the claymation, like the animated ones like
year without a santa clausrudolph, the red-nosed reindeer
elf, is obviously in the mix now.
Like it is, it's wellestablished as a classic.
It doesn't fit the same genrebut there is claymation in it
too there is, but it's, and theclaymation is very clearly a nod
(12:43):
to those like older movies,right, um, but we have those
playing in the background whilewe are building our christmas
decorations.
I'll post some pictures of thisin uh facebook group and on
twitter and stuff around so thatpeople can see them, or x, I
guess now?
No, we're not there anymore.
We're on blue sky now, butanyway this tradition started
when I was like eight or nine.
My dad would get a Lego setevery year.
(13:05):
It started with a train, alittle train that ran around our
Christmas tree, and every yearwe'd get another set to add to
it and it just grew and grew andgrew and grew into this massive
sprawling city that took up tworooms in our house.
My mom cut a hole in the walland we built a tunnel for the
train to go through and itturned into this like big thing
(13:26):
where immediately afterThanksgiving dinner, everybody,
like we'd go to my grandparentsfor Thanksgiving dinner on
Saturday, after everybody wouldcome back to our house we turn
on the Christmas movies.
We'd set up stations throughoutthe house and there'd be like
20 people building Lego sets forlike two days on end,
assembling this Lego city thatonly came up during christmas.
(13:47):
But like we, but these moviesare on repeat, so much that,
like we quote them incessantlythroughout the year or make
completely ludicrous, obscurereferences that 98.9 percent of
the world do not understand but,like my immediate family, find
absolutely hilarious my quoteyear round is you don't like
coconuts, say brainless.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You know where coconuts come from and I say
that all the time.
Anytime anyone mentionscoconuts, that comes out of my
mouth what about you rob anycool things you do?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
with movies.
I watched the uh originalgrinch, how the grinch stole
Stole Christmas.
That's.
That's one I always try to getto.
Uh, I don't know if we've doneit every single year, but, um,
we try to put like classicChristmas movies on in the
background and, uh, build littlegingerbread houses and the
(14:38):
girls really get into it.
Um, but we, we do all the likestop motion I motion.
I found out a YouTube playlistthat had like two hours worth of
all these older classic stopmotion movies.
So we just play that in thebackground and so, interspersed
with it is like random ads forwhatever is on YouTube.
(14:58):
But but it's alright, you know,and they get irrationally angry
because it's like they justdon't know what commercials are
anymore, because there's like noads with the Netflix, disney
plus stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Last year we got my dad YouTube plus, that we got
the family YouTube plus.
We had for my dad for Christmasand I've forgotten what ads are
on YouTube my dad for christmasand I've forgotten what ads are
on youtube, sometimes they'refine.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Sometimes they're like the same ad, like that's 10
times in a row, and you're like, okay, uh all right, I I
honestly it's one of the bestsubscriptions I ever got yeah, I
, uh, I.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I loved the also.
You know, in one growing up mydad had a box set of Frosty the
Snowman, rudolph the Red-NosedReindeer, santa Claus is Coming
Down and Little Drummer Boy.
Little Drummer Boy.
They all got played constantly,except Little Drummer Boy.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
F that movie I hate it so much, I hate that movie so
much it took the worstChristmas song ever and made it
into the worst Christmas movieever.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
In college, andrew and Rob I was in the Red Room
they played Little Drummer Boyliterally 10 times in a row by
10 different artists and I hatethat song so much.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You know the worst part about Little Drummer Boy?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
No, but you're going to tell me.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, I'm absolutely going to tell you.
Here's a song that's all aboutthis little kid who plays drums
for Jesus, and there's not asingle drum solo in any popular
version of that song, like wherethe hell is the drum line.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Where is it, andrew?
I mean Devil Redondo.
Georgia gets two fiddle solos.
Come on, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I started watching the beginning of that movie
earlier and I think I onlyreally ever see the like manger
scene where he plays for Jesus,because at the beginning it's
like he gets abducted in thedesert.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't even remember that.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Like this.
That's weird, just really shadycharacters.
The coach man what Coach man?
Yeah, I think so From.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Pinocchio.
That was a call back toPinocchio.
Yeah, it was kind of like aPinocchio it did have a very
Pinocchio.
Yeah, it was kind of like aPinocchio it did have a very
Pinocchio vibe to it.
I was re-listening to somerebooted podcasts just the other
day, and Pinocchio was one ofthem, so it's fresh in my dome.
You're like Coachman.
I see why you're For you.
That's a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
For me it was just recent.
I tried to block that moviefrom memory All.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
For me it was just recent.
I tried to block that moviefrom memory.
All right, well, that's awesome, I think.
A lot of cool traditions.
So in every version of how theGrinch Stole Christmas, the
central conflict revolves aroundthe Grinch trying to steal
Christmas.
But the way each film portraysthat conflict varies varies.
(17:46):
In the 2000 live action version, the grinch's personal history
and emotional struggles are amajor part of that conflict, as
well as his context, supposedly.
Um.
Well, in the 2018 animated filmfocuses more on his loneliness
and his desire for recognition.
Do you I'm gonna ask you this,to you, mike uh, do you think
these added layers make theconflict more compelling or do
(18:06):
you think they distract withsimplicity and charm of the
original dr suess story?
Or do you think these differentapproaches change the way we
view the crinches quote-unquoteevil or his actions?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
yeah, I so I think, for sure, they definitely change
the way that you look at theGrinch.
But the thing is, like theoriginal, like the, the book is
a children's book, right, it'snot like it's a novel, it's
short.
And the original animatedspecial is a 26 minute special,
(18:42):
right, right, there's not enoughdepth to the character of the
grinch in the original short orin the book to flesh out a
feature length movie there justisn't.
So you have to.
You have to introduce thatsomewhere, right, and if the
main character of the story isthe villain of the story, then
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the logical place to flesh outthe story is the why of what
makes him the villain, and so Ithink, like, I think it's
necessary to achieve afeature-length movie, and I
think it like it.
It does help you sympathize withthe Grinch a little bit,
(19:24):
especially in the newer one,more so than the others, where
you see hints of almost, like,childhood trauma and torment and
(19:45):
he's just mad and histransformation, I feel like, is
a little bit more sudden and alittle bit more true to the
traditional like oh, it'sChristmas and happiness and yay,
and let's have a change ofheart, whereas there's aspects
of the 2018 Grinch that, likeyou said, he's lonely.
He's not heartless and vile,necessarily.
(20:08):
He's just like he doesn't feelwelcome.
So you see his interactionswith Max and his interactions
with Fred throughout the movie.
You see this naturalprogression of how he reaches
that change of heart at the end.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
All right.
So let me ask you this, mike.
So in the original we had adoctor, dr Seuss.
He used a condition calledcardiomejorly, which means when
your heart gets too large foryour body to solve the issue of
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the Grinch by killing him, hewould die from that.
If your heart gets too large,you die right.
So wait, maybe I'm thinking thewrong story.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
This is why you're the Grinch.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
No, okay, but I actually do have a real question
for you, mike, other than thefact that you're frozen in my
Discord and I can't tell yourresponse to what you said.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He's saying that his heart grew too large too fast,
and so therefore he died.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So the doctor Seussuss killed him, no, but uh,
in all in all truth, that waskind of just a joke, but in all
truth, I I'm curious what youthink.
So the original dr seuss storyis about the.
It's like anti-materialism,right, it's about not needing
material things to be happy atchristmas.
But in order to make magillionsand billions of dollars, they
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wanted to turn this into afeature film through
commercializing it, intocreating a whole backstory.
Would it not have been betterand better for jim carrey's eyes
if they would have just doneanother 30 minutes short for
retelling this story and moremodern and live action errors,
than try to come up with a bunchof bullshit to give him a
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backstory?
Objection.
Your honor leading the witnessRight?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, I don't know how like I feel like there's an
answer that you want, but likewell, I'm just saying isn't it
kind of?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
funny because it's like it's creating this.
They're commercializing thestory by making it longer.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I think you're putting too much thought into it
.
Personally, I don't know.
It's a Christmas movie, right?
I mean, even with the extrabackground into the Grinch.
Neither of these are superemotionally deep cinema 're
christmas movies?
(22:47):
Like, let them be christmasmovies, you know what I mean?
They're too long.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think I'm going back to the pinocchio thing here
.
Oh see, I don't, I didn't, Idon't think that at all I I
think they're yeah, no, I don'tthink they're too long.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I think they do a good job.
Um, actually, the one thing, theone thing that I did think was
interesting in um the mostrecent one you know we're
talking about like things thatthey're, they're, you know,
doing differently and you knowchanging from one to the next is
um like music choice.
Um, in the 2018 one like umsinging, like singing like God
(23:25):
rest you, mary, gentlemen, andvery like, very traditional,
like religious Christmas songs,and I and I I found that
interesting because there's somany Christmas movies that, even
when they focus on Christmas asthe central plot of the story,
they focus on, like thecommunity and the giving and the
kindness aspect of it and thelike.
You know it's not about thegifts and the giving and the
kindness aspect of it, and likeyou know, it's not about the
(23:47):
gifts, it's about the like,quality time and family, and
they don't really like touch onthe religious aspect of
Christmas, and not that that's aproblem, it's just that like
that's the way a lot of modernChristmas movies are, so like
you hear songs like Jingle Bellsand White Christmas and things
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like that, and you wouldn't hearthe more traditional hymns.
And the fact that you did Ithought was an interesting and
uncommon choice.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I do think it's funny that in all three versions of
the films, even though you havelike different backstories, it's
like hey, who's commercialism?
Oh, the Grinch taught you thatyou don't need presents, so
don't worry about it.
It's family, no commercialism.
Oh, the grinch learned hislesson.
Commercialism's back on thetable.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Here's your present looks like meat's back on the
menu boys yeah it is interestinglike I, that that is the one
thing too where I'm kind of like.
I don't always think I fullyunderstand the lesson that's
being taken away for the grinchlike, especially in the original
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one.
If he is this evil guy whohates christmas and really in
the original he is just kind oflike evil.
So he's the, the you knowantagonist in the in the story.
There's no explanation as towhy he hates christmas.
Um, and it's just like, whydoes he all of a sudden decide
(25:19):
just because they're happy?
I mean, it seems weird to me,but yeah, it goes from in the
original cartoon.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
The Grinch is an asshole.
To the second one, the Whoviansare assholes.
To the third one, santa's anasshole.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, I think part of the reason that I don't look
like too deeply into it is likeyou hinted at it early in the
early in the, in the episodewhen, when it turns to christmas
, like I just like regress intolike eight years old again and
everything is magic and nothingin the world is wrong.
(25:58):
So it's like all of the like,yeah, you shut your mouth, sir.
Like all of the like normalthings and like the cynicism
that you would get out of mejust completely fades away,
because the snow is falling andSanta is coming and that's all
(26:19):
that matters.
I don't have snow.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yes, hey Rob, don't worry, there's no snow falling.
Your power it's.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
OK, for now I don't have snow.
Mike.
Rob, don't worry, there's nosnow falling.
Your power grid's okay for nowso for Mike.
When snow, when snow falls forMike, it's wonderful and lovely.
When snow falls for Rob, he'sterrified and going to.
Cancun oh man alright.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Well, let's talk about the classic.
Oh man All right?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, let's talk about the classic Grinch.
Conflict is all about thebattle between the Grinch and
those who Vians over Christmas,but the stakes are different in
each version.
In the original anime short,the conflict is more external.
Can the Grinch steal Christmasand ruin the who Vians holiday?
The conflict is more externalCan the Grinch steal Christmas
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and ruin the Whovians holiday?
But in 2000 and 2018 films,there's a deeper internal
struggle within the Grinch, aswe kind of talked about, as he
grapples with his own feelingsof anger and isolation.
Jessica, I'm going to ask youthis which version do you think
better explores the personalstakes for the Grinch?
And does that external versusinternal conflict change how
satisfying really the the end ofthe movie is, or really say
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enjoyable?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I think the Jim Carrey one is the one that has
like the most background.
Definitely, like, like I meanCindy Lou, who literally goes to
the townspeople to find out whythe Grinch is such a Grinch,
and like they kind of meant,like they kind of delve into in
the third one that he was anorphan and that Santa never
brought him anything.
So it hurts him to see theother people happy and having
their families, but like, yeah,the second one definitely has,
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because he was bullied as a kid,because he was hairy and green,
and then they continue to dothat as adults.
Yeah, and it's like, yeah, theykind of deserved it.
In the Jim Carrey one, like,yeah, he might have been a
Grinch, but it was on theWhovians in that one.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So he should have Zipporated their town.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
You're saying Should have what.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
What did you say?
I said he should haveZipporated their town.
What is?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
that.
I don't think I want to I don't, I don't know, you don't know
either mike.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Okay, I guess I'll cut that out.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's just something to take a zippo lighter and just
like light every house on fire.
Is that it?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
yeah, okay, welcome to vietnam bud okay, I was not
born in vietnam during duringVietnam?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
None of us were.
I was.
How old do you think?
I am Okay you're constantlyacting like we're decades apart,
because I'm two years youngerthan you.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Oh my gosh, I might have to cut that out.
That'd be a good outtake.
Alright, rob, alright, rob.
Yes, rob, I have a question foryou too, my friend, okay you
segued out of this bit yousegued out of
Speaker 3 (29:22):
the cop ones and stuff, and then went back to it.
I love that segue.
I feel like we're two guys,just you know, it's like a late
night talk show, we're just likeyeah.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Rob, question for you , my friend.
Sure, which is better, dr Seussor Dr Pepper?
Oh, man.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
um, I think I'm gonna have to go with Dr Pepper
that's right.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's the only one right now.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I hate Dr Pepper.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Dr, Pepper.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
That's right, it's delicious, it's better with
whiskey.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I hate Dr Pepper.
Dr Pepper is nasty, in myopinion.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
What it has 23 flavors.
Come on, that's right.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Andrew didn't believe me.
We looked up what they wereSecret recipe.
I looked up because you didn'tbelieve me.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
You told me it was Baskin Robbins.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And I said Baskin Robbins has their 23 flavors.
They have 31 flavors at BaskinRobbins and Heinz Ketchup has 65
flavors.
Whatever it is, there you goSomething like that.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
One of them is purple Something, and none of those
are the question, not a flavor,mike.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So both the 2000 live action Grinch and the 2018
animated version seem to leanheavily on that good, good
nostalgia, aiming to draw inolder audiences like us, while
also appealing to the newgeneration like our children.
Uh, the 2000 film, with its jimcarrey performance and its
references to the original,feels like a nostalgic
reimagining, while the 2018version updates the classic with
more modern animation and humor.
Do you think these films usenostalgia effectively or do they
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risk relying too much on itsdrawn audiences?
How much do you think the newerversions are trying to create
new memories for kids today,while still leaning on the
familiarity of the original tomake parents feel more
comfortable introducing thisstory to their kiddos feel more?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
comfortable introducing this story to their
kiddos.
So I would not introduce mykids to the Grinch with the 2000
live action remake becausethey're just well.
So my, my oldest, doesn'treally like Muppets and I feel
like she, she gets creeped outby them.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
She gets creeped out by them.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It's not like she doesn't them.
It's not that she doesn't findthem entertaining.
Something about them unsettlesher, and I feel like Jim
Carrey's cringe would probablydo the same thing to her.
Why?
Because he's a little creepylooking.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
He's terrifying in that.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I thought Mike was asking why she's like Muppets.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
because that I'm concerned about and he knows
he's like muppets because thatI'm concerned about and he and
he knows he's creepy lookinglike he purposely does things in
the movie that just just the inthe eyes I think andrew already
talked about the like contactsand stuff like just he just
looks a little creepier.
So I would.
I would and have introduced mykids to the Grinch with the
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original, but if I didn't havethe original handy, I would
introduce them with the 2018version Because I feel like it
matches the original but kind ofa little bit more kid friendly
and with modern music taste.
But they do.
They both both of the updatesand remakes really do more
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heavily into the Grinch and DrSeuss itself, while the 2018
version feels like it is leaningon the nostalgia of Christmas
(32:55):
in general.
Like the town of Whoville isvery much like this Coca-Cola
classic Christmas.
Look, and then you have thebattling carolers and the kids
throwing snowballs, and thensomeone has like a machine and
it like makes a whole bunch ofsnowballs for the kids and
(33:17):
you're like man, I wish we hadthat when I was a kid because
that's amazing.
So they just kind of like gaveyou the setting and world
building of what Whoville is andhow everybody's having a
beautiful, lovely, warm,nostalgic time in community
(33:38):
together and then they juxtaposethat with this isolated Grinch
who's really he's not meanspirited because he's really
nice to his dog, but he's alsojust very sad and lonely.
Um, as opposed to jim carrey'sgrinch, the nostalgia is like we
turned all of the grinch things, even like dr seuss's drawings
(34:04):
of the who've whovians, and evenmade people's faces look like
the Whovians and put Jim Carreyin a bunch of makeup that he had
to get trained by a Navy SEALto endure torture, but I do
(34:25):
think they both lean heavily onthe nostalgia.
I enjoy the nostalgia of the2018 version more just because
of the classic Christmas and theGrinch is like oh, there's
something redemptive in himgoing forward.
So I'm not, as it's not asabrupt a flip of a switch as it
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is in the original movie and inJim Carrey's version, where it's
like there's like this lightswitch and his heart grows
really big and you're like, asAndrew said, he died.
Dr Seuss killed him.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I.
I do think, though, that.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, ron Howard.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I though that Ron Howard I mean Ron Howard was
like a kid when the Grinch cameout, like 10, 12 something.
Ronnie Howard, I'm sure it waslike a classic, especially for
him.
He probably watched it when itfirst came out, so it was
something for him that probablywas really big for him, so he
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knew how to keep the nostalgiafor it.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Looking back at the two movies, let's talk more and
more what we liked and disliked,but what was changed?
Let's start with our favoritethings.
I'm kind of we're relying onold recordings for this one.
Yeah, I got that somewhere inthe can.
As they say, opinions are likeanatomically ambiguous green
(35:54):
monsters.
Mike, your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Was he anatomically ambiguous?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Did you see a penis?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Do you know how?
To most kids' movies?
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Um, I, wow, I, I'm gonna need a minute.
Oh man, uh, yeah, I.
I liked the 2018 version a lotmore than I thought I would.
There's something so iconicabout Jim Carrey, especially in
(36:35):
the roles that Jim Carrey does.
When he's comedian Jim Carrey,the physical humor just takes
over.
So I wasn't sure that I wouldlike the 2018 one that much, and
I actually really liked it alot.
The thing that I think I likedthe most was like it felt dr
sucey like, almost even more soin some regards than the 2000,
(36:59):
like the 2000 grinch was like.
Here's what dr suce would looklike if it was real, but not
real and like a little bit weird, whereas the 2018 fully
captured the whimsy of dr seussand all like the little, like
quirky details, like the birdsat the beginning that were like
(37:19):
snowballs, that like popped outof the ground and then started
to fly, or like you know, thesled with like one little ski in
the middle that was likeholding it up, like it, just
like it was so distinctly drseuss.
Um, and I.
I liked that a lot all right.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well, speaking of things, I like a lot rob, yeah
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (37:42):
um, I kind of want to agree with what mike said about
the 2018 film being more DrSeuss-y and the 2000 version
being like.
What if the Grinch were ahyper-realistic but also
fantastical vengeful?
Speaker 4 (38:03):
character.
It was like borderline TimBurton.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, yeah, I would say, it was like it was Tim
Burtonline Tim Burton.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, yeah, I would say it was like Is Burton's
Batman.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
It was Tim Burton adjacent.
Yeah, it was like Ron Howardmaking a Tim Burton movie.
That's kind of what it feelslike.
Yeah, ronnie Howard, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Ronnie.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Howard, you know, happy Days Andy Kress' show, oh,
arrested Development.
Yeah, happy days Andy's showArrested Development.
Yeah, speaking of ArrestedDevelopment.
Speaking of Arrested Developmentand narration, I do think that
(38:43):
the other aspect that I reallylike about the 2018 version is
that they tried to keep thenarration throughout the film
and they tried to capture kindof the feeling and themes of you
know how the Dr Seuss book was,was read and performed.
(39:06):
So I like the the poetry andrhyming of the narration telling
you know not only the bits ofthe story that we've all read in
the book and seen in theoriginal cartoon, but then the
additional elements about theGrinch's past and growing up in
the orphanage and all that stuff.
So I really enjoyed them,trying to pay homage to that
(39:31):
original format, and I alsoreally appreciate the 2000 film
for not doing that and not justtrying to completely carbon copy
the original, because that'sall it had to go off of was the
original 60s movie.
So I really appreciate it fordoing that and I appreciate the
(39:53):
2018 movie for trying to kind ofdo both.
It worked and built off of whatthe 2000 film did in creating a
backstory and changing itslightly and then also still
going back and paying homage tothe original um and trying to
(40:13):
keep the themes uh intact withthat.
So that's, that's what Ithought pharrell is for real.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Is us such a good choice for narrator, given like?
The tone is really good, likeit, just it fits so well also,
can we talk?
We talk, though, about howCindy Lou, who is basically just
an amalgamation of Edith andAgnes from Despicable Me,
Speaking of Edith Jess.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
What?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
do you?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
think about this movie.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
All right, I was.
I totally agree about the whole.
Like Tim Burton, you you sayingthat, yes, I agree, but I
literally was thinking the wholetime.
This is like for the 2018,.
This is Despicable Me, but inthe Whovian world, that's
exactly what it was.
And it's an Illumination film,so of course it's going to have
that, but it just needed theminions and it's just a Minions
(41:09):
movie.
Grinch is a green Minion.
I guess that can talk.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
And is furry.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And is furry.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Does that make Max Doctor Nefario?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
You didn't expect me to know that Minions weren't
furry, did you?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
You only know that because our kids like the
Minions.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, and we got those ones from McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I do like the 2001 a lot.
Jim Carrey is high.
You know peak Jim Carrey, it'speak.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Peak.
Jim Carrey yeah, I mean it's alot of fun.
The Whovians, I don't know.
I do like the simplicity in theoriginal one where it's just
they're the townspeople youdon't know like.
I do like the simplicity in theoriginal one where it's just
they're the townspeople.
You don't have that backstory.
You have the Cindy Lou whowho's like why are you taking
our Christmas tree Santa?
But other than that, like youdon't really know any of the
(42:00):
backstory.
But I mean it was nice to havethat little background and
keeping Cindy Lou who still thatinnocent little girl and then
in the new one she's still theinnocent little girl and then in
the new one she's still theinnocent little girl.
But yeah, I mean the classic isa classic and the Jim Carrey
one is also a classic.
The 2018 one I'm interested tosee in 10 or so years if it's
(42:22):
still watched a lot compared tothe other two.
I don't know if it's going tohave that staying power that the
other two have.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I mean I have small children and so I watched it
quite a bit.
I haven't watched the 2000s.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
And speaking of not having staying power, I have
opinions too.
I, I don't know man.
I like the original, I likeit's nice and short, tells the
story, gets in, gets out.
He dies of a heart.
Enlargement.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
That's not what happens, and then I can go back
to watching movies aboutdinosaurs.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
It's quite the fan fiction you've written for
yourself you can drink some DrPepper while you watch it.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
He watched the horror .
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Grinch one's why yeah , yeah, I don't know.
I just I honestly, like I saidthe other two, felt like I was
kind of like it's not over yet.
It should be over yet.
This is an easy story.
You know green guy hateschristmas, green guy steals shit
.
Green guy hears people singing.
(43:29):
Green guy has a heart attack atthe end.
You know, like been there donethat?
I don't know.
So, is this just green eggs andham?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
are these movies just jacob's ladder, where, after
his heart enlarges, he's justlike in purgatory?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
maybe I don't know, that's a good idea, it's a good
thought.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I don't know what if this is like the mummy episode
and Andrew is gaslighting usagain because he actually
secretly loves all of thesemovies?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
I'm not.
I honestly it's.
I like the original because Iliked the story, like the
original book story and I justI'm not a big Jim Carrey fan in
general, gasp, and yeah gasp.
Oh, like the original bookstory.
And I just I'm not a big JimCarrey fan in general.
Gasp and yeah, gasp, oh mystars.
And I just didn't.
(44:18):
I'm not a big IlluminationEntertainment cartoon style fan
either, so I just, you know, forme, if it ain't broke, don't
fix it.
Go eat some green eggs and ham,right?
Either way, I'd give theoriginal movie a 6.2 on the pH
scale and the other ones I don'tfeel like rating.
Wow, okay, so that's wherethose kind of land up there for
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us everybody.
So our king of listeners,robert, has brought us a pair of
questions.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
I did.
I have a pair of questions.
Read those away, big king oflisteners thank you, harold, I
will read the questions.
You're being the herald of theof the king of the listeners.
That was the whole thing.
That was the.
(45:22):
That was the bit, uh.
So I have two questions.
First question derrick askswould you be down for for Jim
Carrey to return to the rolewith motion capture or a
bodysuit instead of the hours ofmakeup and prosthetics?
And then he cited his sword.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Torture that motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
He cited his sword.
Well, we know where Andrewstands.
Wow, there's a HollywoodReporter article about Jim
Carrey saying that that's theonly way he would come back
would be to do those things.
But is that something thatpeople, at least here in this
podcast, would be interested in?
Speaker 2 (46:00):
No.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
I think I would hate it.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
I think, yeah, if the only way that you could bring
Jim Carrey back as the Grinch, Ifeel like, would be to make a
sequel, like if it was just areboot of the Grinch Son of the
Grinch Right, like if it's asequel and it's like a
continuation then sure.
But what's the point of asequel to the Grinch?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I was literally thinking today that I'm
surprised they never made asequel where he went and found
his whatever species Grinchy isbrethren because in the
beginning he was storked andthen accidentally got storked to
the wrong place.
So there are people who arelike him and he could go find
them.
They could also be Grinch's whohate Christmas and he shows
(46:47):
them the meaning of Christmas,and I'm surprised they never did
that.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I'm glad they never did that.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, I would hate Esmo Cap.
Good job, it would look bad.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Well, okay, have you guys ever seen that guy who made
what a Lego head would looklike if it looked like real life
?
Speaker 4 (47:04):
I think so.
It's this weird fleshy thing.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what Jim Carrey's.
We'll post a picture, robin,let's get that on our social
media.
That's what Jim Carrey's Grinchlooks like to me, compared to
the classic Dr Pepper.
Dr Seuss version, dr Pepper I'mlooking at a bottle of Dr
(47:27):
Pepper right here, the Dr Seussone.
I just I don't like it.
It's disgusting.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
His eyes are gross, his skin is gross, his mouth is
gross the other other side oflike jim carrey emotion cap is
that especially in a role likethe Grinch or, you know, like Dr
Eggman and Sonic, there's somuch of the humor of those roles
that stems from Jim Carrey'sphysical comedy and I feel like
(47:58):
that doesn't translate as wellif it's not actually him on set
on screen.
I feel like motion capturewould not actually capture that
effectively and it would loseyou'd lose out on some of the
effect of like what makes JimCarrey humor, jim Carrey humor.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
I also just don't think that he's like what would
want to do that anymore he'sdoing, for all intents and
purposes, retired, and then hewas like I'm gonna be, like what
was it?
Speaker 4 (48:34):
he said he's like I, like I'm retired.
But if somebody hands me ascript that's like solid gold
and like I, look at it and go,yes, the world needs to see this
movie, then I'll come back.
And then, like two weeks laterhe's like hey, I'm coming back
for Sonic 3.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
I mean, my son loves Sonic our son is excited, so the
Sonic movies are great, they'refun.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
They're fun movies.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
James Marsden actually gets the girl in these
movies so there's your answers,derek yeah, no, the answer's no
if they're gonna make anotherGrinch movie with mocap, they're
just going to get Andy Circus.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
You know what I'm going to say?
I'm going to just issue adecree here.
James, jimmy, oh, I was likewho are?
You talking to Jimmy?
I was like James Derek.
James, art or film, rather,jimmy.
(49:37):
I was like James Derrick, james, art or film, rather, is pain.
So if you don't want to put onall the makeup, don't do the
role.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
There you go Wow.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Here's the answer, All right.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Second question comes from Emily long time listener
Jim Carrey a pussy.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
There you go.
I call him the egg man, emily,long time listener, long time
fan, question person as well,and she asks a very important
Christmas holiday question.
Favorite Christmas haters theGrinch, ebenezer Scrooge or
(50:11):
walter hobbs that's not a fairquestion walter hobbs.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Walter hobbs walter hobbs doesn't hate, he doesn't
hate christmas, he hates buddy.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
And then comes to love him by the end of the movie
.
That's, that's different Idon't feel like Walter hates
Buddy.
He hates his own life.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Yes, he hates his job , he hates his life.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Mike's answer is Walter Hobbs yeah, he's the
biggest hater.
No, because he doesn't hateChristmas.
I'm coming to his defense.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
He's not a Christmas hater.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
My answer is Ebenezer Scrooge, but that's just
because of michael kane.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Christmas carol.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yes, yes, michael kane I also agree that is that
is, by the way, that is myfavorite christmas movie I also
agree that's a solid choice Iagree with ebenezer scrooge,
michael kane being a big one,but I feel like the grinch well,
walter hobbes been in one film,the grinch, it's the grinch.
Well, walter Hobbs has been inone film, the Grinch, it's the
Grinch is essentially the samein all the Grinch films.
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Ebenezer Scrooge has beenplayed by so many, not even just
actors, characters, I mean likeyou had, you know, scrooge
McDuck.
Be Ebenezer Scrooge in Mickey'sChristmas Carol.
You've had, like Michael Caine,you've had Bill Murray.
I mean, there's so manydifferent variations.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Jim.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Carrey.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
That's right, jim Carrey, that's true.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Forgot about Jim Carrey being.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
Scrooge, I did forget about that too, that was a
weird movie Like Uncanny ValleyPolar Express.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Andrew's dad, took our son to see it and they had
to leave because our son got soscared.
I, andrew's dad, took our sonto see it and they had to leave
because our son got so scared.
I just forgot about that untiljust now.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
I remember watching that, like on a tiny little TV
in a hospital room with, I think, logan in the ER when he was
like three months old.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
My daughter is scared of Muppets and I'm concerned
that the Muppet Christmas Carolwould scare her.
I saw.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
I've seen that.
I've seen a meme.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
My, my children didn't love the ghosts, or they
didn't like the Ghost ofChristmas Past or the Ghost of
Christmas Future.
The Ghost of Christmas Futureis terrifying, yeah but the
Ghost of Christmas Past is alittle creepy, little doll.
That's like Uncanny Valley.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
She's like the little computer robot girl in Resident
Evil.
She is creepy in the MuppetChristmas Carol.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Mm-hmm.
Oh well, and Anne, they lovethe Ghost of Christmas Present
until he started to fade awayand die and then my son had a
meltdown.
I'm like great.
Speaker 4 (52:54):
Traumatized your children.
Well done, I did see the ghostof Christmas past but it's a
Christmas miracle Also theMarley brothers yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah, they didn't scare him that much though.
No, he was.
He was OK with them.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I think it's because they sing yeah you know, uh,
marley and marley, you know I do, though I uh, I saw a meme that
showed michael kane as uh, andit said like all right, all
right, michael kane, this is amuppet one, so you can play this
as joe.
Like you can play this sillyand blah blah it one, so you can
(53:30):
play this as Joe.
You can play this silly andblah, blah, blah.
It's like I'm going to playthis as serious as a car
accident when you're going to.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
if you're going to do a Muppet movie, right, if
you're going to be the humanactor in a Muppet movie, you
either have to play it straight,like Michael Caine, and treat
the Muppets like classicallytrained Shakespearean actors, or
you have to play it like TimCurry in Muppet Treasure Island
and pretend that you are also aMuppet.
Those are the only two ways todo it accurate.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Great performances yes, both great movies yes where
do those, where do those lie inthe list?
I feel like for me MuppetChristmas Carol is number one
and then Muppet Treasure Islandis two.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
I'll agree with that it's like there's like a very
large gap between all the otherMuppet.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Treasure Island is two.
I'll agree with that.
There's a very large gapbetween all the other Muppet
movies.
I actually like the more recentone.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
I liked the Jason Segel one because he's a huge
fan of the Muppets.
He did it in a way that wasrespectful for the Muppets.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
The Jason Segel one also gets props from me for the
Sheldon cameo which was perfect.
I haven't seen that movie sinceit came out, but I remember
that though.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
We found our way back to Muppets.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
We always do.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (54:41):
It was Muppets, always was.
So there's your answer.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Emily, was it Ebenezer?
Scrooge for everybody.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
I think so, except Mike said Walter Hobbs.
Walter Hobbs does not answer.
Emily was it?
Was it ebony's or scrooge foreverybody?
Or I think so.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
so mike said walter hobbs no walter hobbs does not
hate christmas.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
I choose well, not at the end he starts singing
really off key.
Oh, he doesn't hate christmas.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
No, he doesn't hate christmas, he hates people, and
I resonate with that so muchwell, that's creepy, all right.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Well, let's go ahead and talk about our hot takes
from a murder robot.
We've got those cracking offhere in season three instead of
our dad jokes.
So, rob, can you give me some?
Well less you mark, rob, canyou give us those hot takes from
the murder robots?
Speaker 3 (55:33):
Sure, meg 3 Gan says Grinch is life, and if you don't
think so, you probably have nofriends.
So that was pretty hot take.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Just to remind you.
These are the comments of theMeg 3 Gan.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
We love our voting crew, which is kind of ironic,
because Grinch is the one thatdoesn't have friends yeah, meg
three again.
Usually is, you know, prettysaucy with us, okay, uh, she
doesn't like.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
She doesn't like redheads and tends to comment on
fire crotches.
So this one there wasn't achance, so that was like an
emerald crotch.
On this one we didn't do oh, Iwas gonna say we didn't do
Wizard of.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Oz.
There wasn't a chance, so thatwas like an emerald crotch on
this one.
We didn't do I was going to saywe didn't do Wizard of Oz there
you go.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
Emerald is green.
Jess, that's a nice.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
I realized that after I said it, all right, the other
murder robot, skynetet,whatever we want to call it,
open AI.
Yeah, whatever, this doesn'tsound as fun, skynet alright
let's talk about the Grinchmovies.
Honestly, the Grinch is the onlyguy in Christmas movies who
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isn't pretending to love theholidays which that's not true,
Walter Hobbes while secretlyplotting to ruin them.
The man just gets it like youknow.
He's not out here pretending toenjoy ugly sweater parties or
dealing with Aaron's famousfruitcake Ugly sweater parties.
He sees Christmas for what itis a commercialized, overhyped
mess.
And honestly, who could blamehim?
Jim Carrey's Grinch isliterally the only guy who's
(57:02):
ever made me think okay, maybe Ishould just steal my neighbor's
presents.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Ugly sweater parties.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
Sounds like you're wearing an ugly sweater to an
orgy.
I I gotta say like this, thisopen eye ai, or this, this robot
, giving me this hot takes.
I said, I said, give me a hottake about these three movies
and this is what it gave me andI'm, like it's very specific
about wanting to steal frompeople.
What's this thing been trainedon?
(57:36):
Thieves?
Oh, so yeah, that's our, that'sour murder robot segment.
Thank you, rob, for readingthat out.
Um, I had a tickle in my schnozso I was afraid to try to read
it.
All right.
Well, we would like to take amoment here to talk about some
upcoming movies, things we'reexcited to see.
We might also quickly checkback on what we wanted to see
and how that worked out for us.
(57:56):
So, jess, my lovely bride, yougo first.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
I wanted to go first because I have a feeling we're
all going to see the same moviethat we're excited for and that
is 28 Years Later.
That trailer looks amazing.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
I'm very excited just , we gotta wait till April of
next year, wasn't it June?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
either way or whatever.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
I haven't watched the trailer yet.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
I should go do that oh, mike, you gotta watch it, so
good you haven't seenTerminator 2, mike, so you're
fine or Aliens but I did see 28weeks later
oh, um, oh man.
So so two moves.
I'm gonna bring up two moviesthat I watched recently that I
was end up enjoying a lot and,uh, I've been watching.
(58:42):
I've been like I have a list ofhorror movies that have been
recommended to me that I'm goingthrough.
First one I watched was strangedarling.
I end up really liking it verymike.
If you have not seen it, youshould watch it blind, because
it was really good okay, yeah,the the trailer.
I figured out the twist from thetrailer that's because you're
you which was disappointing 99of people would not figure it
(59:05):
out but mike probably would too.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
So don't watch the trailer like.
I was able to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
And it bummed me out that I figured it out, but it
was really good.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
The second movie I horror movie I watched that I
really liked was Late Night withthe Devil.
It had it filmed like it wasactually made in the it like it
looks like it was actually madein the 70s.
Speaker 4 (59:27):
Nice, have you seen it, mike?
No, but I like that touch youshould watch it too.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
That one was so good.
Classic evil dead camp.
I saw a little bit of it in theroom with Jess.
I was doing something else.
I forgot what I was doing so Ididn't get to see it, but it,
the way they shot it actuallyreminded me of like fire starter
and, um, uh, the the one topolice station.
Um, that we saw for the podcastprecinct.
Speaker 4 (59:59):
Yeah, like you know how those the the older like it
looked like they were mimickinglike classic, like evil dead
kind of yeah, yeah but, theymimic the style.
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Really well, it's a talk show, so it's more like a
like uh, johnny carson, almost ajimmy car, right but I'm just
saying that the way the cameraslook, there's cameras that legit
shot in that time frame, right,like like uh, firestarter or so
on yeah it.
Just it had that same kind offeel to it and I thought they
did a really good job with nice.
Oh, another, a quick.
That was another thing tooabout um, the first movie just
(01:00:31):
mentioned, they shot it on.
Well, if they're telling thetruth, they shot it all on 35
millimeter, which wasinteresting uh, I'll do a quick
third one because I've watchedit.
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Uh, over thanksgiving , breaking the car with my kids
and I had to hide it.
But, terrifier, that movie isdisgusting, absolutely
disgusting, but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Mike, what about you?
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
What are you looking?
Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
forward to Right now.
As far as timely movies go, I'mreally looking forward to the
Dogman movie.
It comes out January 31st.
My kids love the dogman series.
Uh, we read dogman books atleast three nights a week to
(01:01:16):
them.
Um, they're favorites in ourhouse and the movie seems on
pace to capture the like charmof those books perfectly and I
cannot wait to take my kids tosee that movie.
If you have young kids in thein the range of, like you know,
five to ten, take them it.
(01:01:37):
They'll love it, you'll love it.
It'll be a good family event,totally worth it okay.
Well, if you're not like a jadedhates cartoons old man, you'll
love it, you'll.
You'll love it.
If you're not the grinch,you'll love the potty humor in
it, andrew.
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Butts and guts, rob, what about?
Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
you buddy Butts and guts.
Recently I've been watchingBlack Doves on Netflix, which I
really enjoyed.
It has Keira Knightley in itand it is about a contract
killer and a spy in London whoare trying to figure out who
(01:02:21):
killed the spy's lover, and I'mabout three episodes in.
It's really, really good.
I've been enjoying it.
Um, I don't really have anymovie on the horizon that I'm uh
super excited about.
I did see a poster for the newsuperman movie.
Uh, that's coming out in julyfrom james gunn, which I like
(01:02:45):
Smallville so I like Smallville.
I have kind of enjoyed some ofthe DC movies with Superman in
them and I like James Gunn andwhat he did with Guardians, so
I'm kind of willing to just givehim the benefit of the doubt
and see what he's going to do.
But that's not like I'm notsuper excited for that one.
(01:03:13):
So that's really it for me Forright now as far as what's
coming out.
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
So Nice For me.
There's some movies I want to.
There's some TV shows I want tosee.
I still want to catch up andwatch Lioness.
I've heard a lot of good thingsabout that.
And then there's a movie comingout early next year to Apple TV
called the Gorge, that I reallywant to see.
(01:03:43):
It's got Miles Teller and AnyaTaylor-Joy and Sigourney Weaver
in it, and so it looksinteresting, interesting.
I want to thank you all forjoining us on another episode of
rebooted.
We're so glad you took.
Uh, oh, I was gonna say hour,but I have not done recording or
editing this recording yet, sowe're just gonna guess an hour
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hour and 11 minutes oh wow,we're speedy today, so maybe
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you all.
Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
And just remember this holiday season.
Whether it's the how the GrinchStole Christmas book, the 1966
special, the 2000 Jim Carrey orthe 2018 Benedict Cumberbatch,
no matter which version you'rewatching or reading, Max is a
good, good boy.
Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Max is a good, good boy.
Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Who's Max?
Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
no-transcript you, you, you you you you, you.
Welcome to Season 3 of Rebooted, where four former
film majors making a podcastabout Hollywood's favorite
pastime rebooting, recooling andnostalgia-milking every movie
except Back to the Future.
I'm Andrew, former film majorand now a director of marketing.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm Jessica, former film major and now a barista.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And I'm Rob, former film major and also a director
of marketing.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I'm Mike, former film major and now I'm a software
engineer.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
In this episode we cuddle up next to a fire to hear
a tale from the late great DrSeuss, as we pop open a can of
Dr Pepper and witness themachinations of a green beast
whose hate for Doctor who fanswould make Bruce Jenner jealous.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Bruce Jenner.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Bruce Banner.
Bruce Banner jealous.
This holiday classic.
Doctor.
Strangely Enough is.
How did that ding dang Grinchone up?
Scrooge to steal Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
You're a curmudgeon, Andrew Grinch.
You really hate Christmasmovies.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Except for Die Hard.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, that's true.
And Jurassic World.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Jinx.
My favorite part of Christmasis that it's the one time of
year that Andrew's a biggercurmudgeon than me.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You take a step down to childhood joy, I really do
and I stay like this.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yes, 100%.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I fucking love christmas, you, you do I saw a
breakdown that someone said thatdie hard is more of a christmas
movie than rudolph thered-nosed reindeer, and they had
a whole breakdown on why I mean, it's true, rudolph redwood
knows reindeer only has onesmall part of the movie take
place at christmas yeah, most ofit is like, most of it is a
biopic right, right, right it's.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
It's a aaron sorkin biopic of ruder reindeer
politics no, the reindeer gamesand it's reindeer racism.
Rob is what it is, wow yeah Ilearned that from kiss, kiss,
bang, bang.
Oh, so there you have it allright.
(02:33):
Well, I do want to say welcomeall of you, great listeners, to
the end of 2024 or, if you'relistening, in the future, that's
when this was released, in theend of the year of our lord,
2024.
It's been a busy year for ushere at what is now jammer.
Uh, as you know, we've reformedour company as jammer and we're
(02:54):
working hard on growing ourgaming product line and, as well
as doing our podcasts, which wereally love doing these and, uh
, quite truthfully, we need yourhelp being able to continue to
do them.
I know we joke around a lotabout our Patreon supporters and
people just helping to supportus and all that kind of stuff,
(03:16):
but, truthfully, if you enjoywhat we're doing, we really
could use a little bit of thatfinancial support going into
2025 to help us offset some ofour hosting costs and other
business expenses because,unfortunately, you know,
everything costs the moolah aswe enter our 40s and you know
(03:37):
the world and stuff Not thereyet, all that kind of stuff.
I was going to say only half ofus have entered our 40s.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Let's chill on that.
Yeah, half of us have Well 40s.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Let's chill on that.
Yeah, half of us have, well, butanyways, we appreciate all the
love and the support we getdoing Rebooted and I freaking
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So, you know, please considerthrowing a couple bucks our way,
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And, speaking of that, in 2025,we're committed to releasing at
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(04:06):
little slower pace than we weredoing with season one, but
should be a little more of apace than we did with season two
, where we had like a yearhiatus.
So we are planning on makingsure we're at least releasing a
(04:27):
full episode every month andthen trying to get snorts in as
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So be sure to check out ourcinema shorts, or snorts as we
call them.
Uh, for current movies, and ourinaugural snort, which we just
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the sub stack.
So make sure you check that outand keep keep telling your
friends about rebooted or yourenemies too, like tell everybody
(04:49):
right, stop it yeah that's agood point.
Yeah, the barista that gives youcoffee in the morning, go tell
them to go listen to reboot itlike everybody I already do and
if you don't like someone andthey're going to do whatever you
say the opposite, to tell themthey shouldn't listen to
Rebooted and then they will yeah.
Because, yeah, yeah, this is ifyou got those friends that are
(05:13):
like contrarians, where they doexactly the opposite of what you
say.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Right, I don't know anybody like that.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, nobody I know is like that at all.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
All right, nobody I know, nobody I know is like that
at all.
All right.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Nobody I know here refuses to go see Mad Max Fury
Road until the weatherman on TVtells him to do it.
And then he's like, yeah, I'mnot going to listen to my wife,
I'll listen to the weatherman.
I know he's not the weatherman,but I can't remember what he
does.
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I'm glad I added this .
All right, Jessica, why don'tyou give us a cool summary of
these threequels?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
of movies.
In this episode we're divinginto the three iconic
adaptations of how the GrinchStole Christmas the 1966
animated, the 2000 live actionand the 2018 animated, exploring
how each brings the beloved Drseuss story to life in its own
unique way.
The original how the grinchstole christmas is a classic 26
(06:10):
minute animated special.
Staying very true to dr seuss'srhyming, text and visual style,
it follows the grinch, a bittergreen creature who lives alone
atop mount crumpet looking downon the cheerful who's of
whoville.
Disgusted by their christmasspirit, he devises a plan to
steal christmas by taking alltheir presents, decorations and
(06:31):
food.
But when christmas morningarrives, the who's still
celebrate, teaching the grinchthat christmas doesn't come from
presents but from the heart.
The 2000 live action how thegrinch stole christmas stars jim
carrey as the grinch, addingdepth and backstory to the
character.
This version expands on theoriginal tale by exploring the
Grinch's troubled childhood inWhoville, offering a reason for
(06:54):
his disdain towards Christmas,while he still attempts to ruin
Christmas for the Whos.
The Grinch is more complex,with moments of vulnerability
and emotional growth.
Complex, with moments ofvulnerability and emotional
growth.
The visual style is whimsicalyet extravagant, and Carrie's
performance brings a mix ofhumor and pathos appealing to
both kids and adults.
Finally, the Grinch 2018 is amore modern, computer-animated
(07:17):
take on the story.
This version gives the Grinch aslightly different look, more
stylized and soft compared tothe original sharp lines.
Benedict Cumberbatch voices theGrinch, bringing a more subtle
and dry sense of humor to therole.
This film also expands on theGrinch's isolation and
loneliness, with a focus on hispersonal journey to the
understanding of the truemeaning of Christmas.
(07:38):
Additionally, it introducesCindy Lou who as a central
character, who takes theinitiative to help the Grinch
change his ways.
The visual style is vibrant andcontemporary, making it feel
fresh while still honoring thespirit of the original.
Despite their differences intone and execution, all three
adaptations share a core messagethat Christmas is about love,
(08:01):
kindness and community, notmaterial goods.
Whether through the originalanimation's simplicity, jim
Carrey's hilarious live-actionperformance or the 2018 film's
heartwarming modern twist, eachversion of how the Grinch Stole
Christmas delivers a memorableand timeless lesson for all ages
Ah who?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
dies.
Ah, who dores?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Welcome, christmas, christmas, christmas.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Wow, that was more like Christmas horror.
That was weird.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
It's in every single Grinch movie.
That is a staple of the Grinchmovies.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Besides your Amoeba, mr Grinch, I understand that I
understand that, but it was justlike, like it was kind of like
that creepy ghost etherealness.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
at least through my headphones here it was like a
disembodied voice haunting me onChristmas Eve for me it like
cut out, like right in themiddle of the high note, and so
it was like I couldn't reallytell what was happening.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I kind of know the song but I can't really.
I'm missing something here.
My voice just gets so high thatonly dogs can hear it.
That's just how it is.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So wait if all of our listeners just heard it,
because you're recordingseparate from Discord.
You're just calling all of ourlisteners dogs.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yes, bitches.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Wow Okay, support that Patreon.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That was really grinchy.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
All right, well, our local curmudgeon, mike, but not
at Christmas times, not atChristmas.
You give Mike a candy cane andhe turns into a young flipper
snapper.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Not a candy cane.
I thought you were going.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
If you give a mouse a cookie route and they're like
if you give Mike a candy cane,he's going to want.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
If you give Mike a mint chocolate chip cookie,
there you go.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
Some snickerdoodles Some spritz cookies shaped like
Christmas trees.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Oh, I love spritz cookies.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He's going to want a peppermint schnapps to go with
it.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
No Bad experience.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
My mom makes these.
They're date cookies.
They're like these circlecookies with dates oh, they're
so good.
And I only get them atChristmas time.
And then she makes date bars,which has got like a crumbly
grumbly top and a layered dateoh, it's so good.
Grumbly, grumbly top and date,a layered date oh, it's so good.
(10:28):
You'll have to come over mikechristmas time here and have
some date bars and cookies.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I love christmas yeah .
Speaker 1 (10:34):
So deliciousness, deliciousness to be had, tell me
, guys, I, I kind of I want todo something here a little
different this time, because youknow, we, we do a lot of
jumping around.
We talk about muppets, we talkabout pontoons, we talk about
all sorts of strange things.
I don't know we've ever talkedabout a pontoon but we should.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
But you got me thinking back like when did that
happen?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I, you know, I saw a pontoon on a on a trailer of a
truck recently on the roadbecause someone was driving it
in the middle of winter, whichis weird.
But it got me thinking aboutpontoons and how some dude just
saw like or dudette, saw oildrums and slapped a two by four
on him and said this is a goodboat.
I mean, to me that's just I meanthey're not wrong exactly just
(11:20):
like so I just like I'm thinkingto myself all the pontoon is a
couple oil drums and a two-by orplywood, whatever.
So maybe next time we talk moreabout pontoons Although I think
we just did Rather than talkabout pontoons and Muppets and
stuff.
I kind of just want to get fromyou guys what is your favorite
(11:41):
Christmas?
I say movie, but then Mikemike's just gonna scream elf and
maybe pass out.
So let's say what's yourfavorite tradition surrounding
movie?
What do you do around christmastime to watch movies?
Do you have like, do you getlike, hot cocoa cookies?
Do you watch a specific moviebesides elf?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
listen, listen okay, elf is sacred and you shut your
mouth.
Um, okay, but no, we uh, a lotof our like family christmas
traditions revolve around likethe christmas classics on in the
background.
And when I say christmasclassics, I'm not talking like
(12:23):
christmas vacation, christmasstory I've never actually seen
either of those, weirdly enough.
I'm talking like the claymation, like the animated ones like
year without a santa clausrudolph, the red-nosed reindeer
elf, is obviously in the mix now.
Like it is, it's wellestablished as a classic.
It doesn't fit the same genrebut there is claymation in it
too there is, but it's, and theclaymation is very clearly a nod
(12:43):
to those like older movies,right, um, but we have those
playing in the background whilewe are building our christmas
decorations.
I'll post some pictures of thisin uh facebook group and on
twitter and stuff around so thatpeople can see them, or x, I
guess now?
No, we're not there anymore.
We're on blue sky now, butanyway this tradition started
when I was like eight or nine.
My dad would get a Lego setevery year.
(13:05):
It started with a train, alittle train that ran around our
Christmas tree, and every yearwe'd get another set to add to
it and it just grew and grew andgrew and grew into this massive
sprawling city that took up tworooms in our house.
My mom cut a hole in the walland we built a tunnel for the
train to go through and itturned into this like big thing
(13:26):
where immediately afterThanksgiving dinner, everybody,
like we'd go to my grandparentsfor Thanksgiving dinner on
Saturday, after everybody wouldcome back to our house we turn
on the Christmas movies.
We'd set up stations throughoutthe house and there'd be like
20 people building Lego sets forlike two days on end,
assembling this Lego city thatonly came up during christmas.
(13:47):
But like we, but these moviesare on repeat, so much that,
like we quote them incessantlythroughout the year or make
completely ludicrous, obscurereferences that 98.9 percent of
the world do not understand but,like my immediate family, find
absolutely hilarious my quoteyear round is you don't like
coconuts, say brainless.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
You know where coconuts come from and I say
that all the time.
Anytime anyone mentionscoconuts, that comes out of my
mouth what about you rob anycool things you do?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
with movies.
I watched the uh originalgrinch, how the grinch stole
Stole Christmas.
That's.
That's one I always try to getto.
Uh, I don't know if we've doneit every single year, but, um,
we try to put like classicChristmas movies on in the
background and, uh, build littlegingerbread houses and the
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girls really get into it.
Um, but we, we do all the likestop motion I motion.
I found out a YouTube playlistthat had like two hours worth of
all these older classic stopmotion movies.
So we just play that in thebackground and so, interspersed
with it is like random ads forwhatever is on YouTube.
(14:58):
But but it's alright, you know,and they get irrationally angry
because it's like they justdon't know what commercials are
anymore, because there's like noads with the Netflix, disney
plus stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Last year we got my dad YouTube plus, that we got
the family YouTube plus.
We had for my dad for Christmasand I've forgotten what ads are
on YouTube my dad for christmasand I've forgotten what ads are
on youtube, sometimes they'refine.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Sometimes they're like the same ad, like that's 10
times in a row, and you're like, okay, uh all right, I I
honestly it's one of the bestsubscriptions I ever got yeah, I
, uh, I.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I loved the also.
You know, in one growing up mydad had a box set of Frosty the
Snowman, rudolph the Red-NosedReindeer, santa Claus is Coming
Down and Little Drummer Boy.
Little Drummer Boy.
They all got played constantly,except Little Drummer Boy.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
F that movie I hate it so much, I hate that movie so
much it took the worstChristmas song ever and made it
into the worst Christmas movieever.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
In college, andrew and Rob I was in the Red Room
they played Little Drummer Boyliterally 10 times in a row by
10 different artists and I hatethat song so much.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You know the worst part about Little Drummer Boy?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
No, but you're going to tell me.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, I'm absolutely going to tell you.
Here's a song that's all aboutthis little kid who plays drums
for Jesus, and there's not asingle drum solo in any popular
version of that song, like wherethe hell is the drum line.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Where is it, andrew?
I mean Devil Redondo.
Georgia gets two fiddle solos.
Come on, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I started watching the beginning of that movie
earlier and I think I onlyreally ever see the like manger
scene where he plays for Jesus,because at the beginning it's
like he gets abducted in thedesert.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I don't even remember that.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Like this.
That's weird, just really shadycharacters.
The coach man what Coach man?
Yeah, I think so From.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Pinocchio.
That was a call back toPinocchio.
Yeah, it was kind of like aPinocchio it did have a very
Pinocchio.
Yeah, it was kind of like aPinocchio it did have a very
Pinocchio vibe to it.
I was re-listening to somerebooted podcasts just the other
day, and Pinocchio was one ofthem, so it's fresh in my dome.
You're like Coachman.
I see why you're For you.
That's a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
For me it was just recent.
I tried to block that moviefrom memory All.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
For me it was just recent.
I tried to block that moviefrom memory.
All right, well, that's awesome, I think.
A lot of cool traditions.
So in every version of how theGrinch Stole Christmas, the
central conflict revolves aroundthe Grinch trying to steal
Christmas.
But the way each film portraysthat conflict varies varies.
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In the 2000 live action version, the grinch's personal history
and emotional struggles are amajor part of that conflict, as
well as his context, supposedly.
Um.
Well, in the 2018 animated filmfocuses more on his loneliness
and his desire for recognition.
Do you I'm gonna ask you this,to you, mike uh, do you think
these added layers make theconflict more compelling or do
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you think they distract withsimplicity and charm of the
original dr suess story?
Or do you think these differentapproaches change the way we
view the crinches quote-unquoteevil or his actions?
Speaker 4 (18:20):
yeah, I so I think, for sure, they definitely change
the way that you look at theGrinch.
But the thing is, like theoriginal, like the, the book is
a children's book, right, it'snot like it's a novel, it's
short.
And the original animatedspecial is a 26 minute special,
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right, right, there's not enoughdepth to the character of the
grinch in the original short orin the book to flesh out a
feature length movie there justisn't.
So you have to.
You have to introduce thatsomewhere, right, and if the
main character of the story isthe villain of the story, then
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the logical place to flesh outthe story is the why of what
makes him the villain, and so Ithink, like, I think it's
necessary to achieve afeature-length movie, and I
think it like it.
It does help you sympathize withthe Grinch a little bit,
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especially in the newer one,more so than the others, where
you see hints of almost, like,childhood trauma and torment and
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he's just mad and histransformation, I feel like, is
a little bit more sudden and alittle bit more true to the
traditional like oh, it'sChristmas and happiness and yay,
and let's have a change ofheart, whereas there's aspects
of the 2018 Grinch that, likeyou said, he's lonely.
He's not heartless and vile,necessarily.
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He's just like he doesn't feelwelcome.
So you see his interactionswith Max and his interactions
with Fred throughout the movie.
You see this naturalprogression of how he reaches
that change of heart at the end.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
All right.
So let me ask you this, mike.
So in the original we had adoctor, dr Seuss.
He used a condition calledcardiomejorly, which means when
your heart gets too large foryour body to solve the issue of
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the Grinch by killing him, hewould die from that.
If your heart gets too large,you die right.
So wait, maybe I'm thinking thewrong story.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
This is why you're the Grinch.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
No, okay, but I actually do have a real question
for you, mike, other than thefact that you're frozen in my
Discord and I can't tell yourresponse to what you said.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
He's saying that his heart grew too large too fast,
and so therefore he died.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
So the doctor Seussuss killed him, no, but uh,
in all in all truth, that waskind of just a joke, but in all
truth, I I'm curious what youthink.
So the original dr seuss storyis about the.
It's like anti-materialism,right, it's about not needing
material things to be happy atchristmas.
But in order to make magillionsand billions of dollars, they
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wanted to turn this into afeature film through
commercializing it, intocreating a whole backstory.
Would it not have been betterand better for jim carrey's eyes
if they would have just doneanother 30 minutes short for
retelling this story and moremodern and live action errors,
than try to come up with a bunchof bullshit to give him a
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backstory?
Objection.
Your honor leading the witnessRight?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Yeah, I don't know how like I feel like there's an
answer that you want, but likewell, I'm just saying isn't it
kind of?
Speaker 1 (22:21):
funny because it's like it's creating this.
They're commercializing thestory by making it longer.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I think you're putting too much thought into it
.
Personally, I don't know.
It's a Christmas movie, right?
I mean, even with the extrabackground into the Grinch.
Neither of these are superemotionally deep cinema 're
christmas movies?
(22:47):
Like, let them be christmasmovies, you know what I mean?
They're too long.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I think I'm going back to the pinocchio thing here
.
Oh see, I don't, I didn't, Idon't think that at all I I
think they're yeah, no, I don'tthink they're too long.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I think they do a good job.
Um, actually, the one thing, theone thing that I did think was
interesting in um the mostrecent one you know we're
talking about like things thatthey're, they're, you know,
doing differently and you knowchanging from one to the next is
um like music choice.
Um, in the 2018 one like umsinging, like singing like God
(23:25):
rest you, mary, gentlemen, andvery like, very traditional,
like religious Christmas songs,and I and I I found that
interesting because there's somany Christmas movies that, even
when they focus on Christmas asthe central plot of the story,
they focus on, like thecommunity and the giving and the
kindness aspect of it and thelike.
You know it's not about thegifts and the giving and the
kindness aspect of it, and likeyou know, it's not about the
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gifts, it's about the like,quality time and family, and
they don't really like touch onthe religious aspect of
Christmas, and not that that's aproblem, it's just that like
that's the way a lot of modernChristmas movies are, so like
you hear songs like Jingle Bellsand White Christmas and things
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like that, and you wouldn't hearthe more traditional hymns.
And the fact that you did Ithought was an interesting and
uncommon choice.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I do think it's funny that in all three versions of
the films, even though you havelike different backstories, it's
like hey, who's commercialism?
Oh, the Grinch taught you thatyou don't need presents, so
don't worry about it.
It's family, no commercialism.
Oh, the grinch learned hislesson.
Commercialism's back on thetable.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Here's your present looks like meat's back on the
menu boys yeah it is interestinglike I, that that is the one
thing too where I'm kind of like.
I don't always think I fullyunderstand the lesson that's
being taken away for the grinchlike, especially in the original
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one.
If he is this evil guy whohates christmas and really in
the original he is just kind oflike evil.
So he's the, the you knowantagonist in the in the story.
There's no explanation as towhy he hates christmas.
Um, and it's just like, whydoes he all of a sudden decide
(25:19):
just because they're happy?
I mean, it seems weird to me,but yeah, it goes from in the
original cartoon.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
The Grinch is an asshole.
To the second one, the Whoviansare assholes.
To the third one, santa's anasshole.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah, I think part of the reason that I don't look
like too deeply into it is likeyou hinted at it early in the
early in the, in the episodewhen, when it turns to christmas
, like I just like regress intolike eight years old again and
everything is magic and nothingin the world is wrong.
(25:58):
So it's like all of the like,yeah, you shut your mouth, sir.
Like all of the like normalthings and like the cynicism
that you would get out of mejust completely fades away,
because the snow is falling andSanta is coming and that's all
(26:19):
that matters.
I don't have snow.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Yes, hey Rob, don't worry, there's no snow falling.
Your power it's.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
OK, for now I don't have snow.
Mike.
Rob, don't worry, there's nosnow falling.
Your power grid's okay for nowso for Mike.
When snow, when snow falls forMike, it's wonderful and lovely.
When snow falls for Rob, he'sterrified and going to.
Cancun oh man alright.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Well, let's talk about the classic.
Oh man All right?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, let's talk about the classic Grinch.
Conflict is all about thebattle between the Grinch and
those who Vians over Christmas,but the stakes are different in
each version.
In the original anime short,the conflict is more external.
Can the Grinch steal Christmasand ruin the who Vians holiday?
The conflict is more externalCan the Grinch steal Christmas
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and ruin the Whovians holiday?
But in 2000 and 2018 films,there's a deeper internal
struggle within the Grinch, aswe kind of talked about, as he
grapples with his own feelingsof anger and isolation.
Jessica, I'm going to ask youthis which version do you think
better explores the personalstakes for the Grinch?
And does that external versusinternal conflict change how
satisfying really the the end ofthe movie is, or really say
(27:31):
enjoyable?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I think the Jim Carrey one is the one that has
like the most background.
Definitely, like, like I meanCindy Lou, who literally goes to
the townspeople to find out whythe Grinch is such a Grinch,
and like they kind of meant,like they kind of delve into in
the third one that he was anorphan and that Santa never
brought him anything.
So it hurts him to see theother people happy and having
their families, but like, yeah,the second one definitely has,
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because he was bullied as a kid,because he was hairy and green,
and then they continue to dothat as adults.
Yeah, and it's like, yeah, theykind of deserved it.
In the Jim Carrey one, like,yeah, he might have been a
Grinch, but it was on theWhovians in that one.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
So he should have Zipporated their town.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
You're saying Should have what.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
What did you say?
I said he should haveZipporated their town.
What is?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
that.
I don't think I want to I don't, I don't know, you don't know
either mike.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Okay, I guess I'll cut that out.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
It's just something to take a zippo lighter and just
like light every house on fire.
Is that it?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
yeah, okay, welcome to vietnam bud okay, I was not
born in vietnam during duringVietnam?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
None of us were.
I was.
How old do you think?
I am Okay you're constantlyacting like we're decades apart,
because I'm two years youngerthan you.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Oh my gosh, I might have to cut that out.
That'd be a good outtake.
Alright, rob, alright, rob.
Yes, rob, I have a question foryou too, my friend, okay you
segued out of this bit yousegued out of
Speaker 3 (29:22):
the cop ones and stuff, and then went back to it.
I love that segue.
I feel like we're two guys,just you know, it's like a late
night talk show, we're just likeyeah.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Rob, question for you , my friend.
Sure, which is better, dr Seussor Dr Pepper?
Oh, man.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
um, I think I'm gonna have to go with Dr Pepper
that's right.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's the only one right now.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I hate Dr Pepper.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Dr, Pepper.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
That's right, it's delicious, it's better with
whiskey.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I hate Dr Pepper.
Dr Pepper is nasty, in myopinion.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
What it has 23 flavors.
Come on, that's right.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Andrew didn't believe me.
We looked up what they wereSecret recipe.
I looked up because you didn'tbelieve me.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
You told me it was Baskin Robbins.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And I said Baskin Robbins has their 23 flavors.
They have 31 flavors at BaskinRobbins and Heinz Ketchup has 65
flavors.
Whatever it is, there you goSomething like that.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
One of them is purple Something, and none of those
are the question, not a flavor,mike.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So both the 2000 live action Grinch and the 2018
animated version seem to leanheavily on that good, good
nostalgia, aiming to draw inolder audiences like us, while
also appealing to the newgeneration like our children.
Uh, the 2000 film, with its jimcarrey performance and its
references to the original,feels like a nostalgic
reimagining, while the 2018version updates the classic with
more modern animation and humor.
Do you think these films usenostalgia effectively or do they
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risk relying too much on itsdrawn audiences?
How much do you think the newerversions are trying to create
new memories for kids today,while still leaning on the
familiarity of the original tomake parents feel more
comfortable introducing thisstory to their kiddos feel more?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
comfortable introducing this story to their
kiddos.
So I would not introduce mykids to the Grinch with the 2000
live action remake becausethey're just well.
So my, my oldest, doesn'treally like Muppets and I feel
like she, she gets creeped outby them.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
She gets creeped out by them.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
It's not like she doesn't them.
It's not that she doesn't findthem entertaining.
Something about them unsettlesher, and I feel like Jim
Carrey's cringe would probablydo the same thing to her.
Why?
Because he's a little creepylooking.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
He's terrifying in that.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I thought Mike was asking why she's like Muppets.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
because that I'm concerned about and he knows
he's like muppets because thatI'm concerned about and he and
he knows he's creepy lookinglike he purposely does things in
the movie that just just the inthe eyes I think andrew already
talked about the like contactsand stuff like just he just
looks a little creepier.
So I would.
I would and have introduced mykids to the Grinch with the
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original, but if I didn't havethe original handy, I would
introduce them with the 2018version Because I feel like it
matches the original but kind ofa little bit more kid friendly
and with modern music taste.
But they do.
They both both of the updatesand remakes really do more
(32:35):
heavily into the Grinch and DrSeuss itself, while the 2018
version feels like it is leaningon the nostalgia of Christmas
(32:55):
in general.
Like the town of Whoville isvery much like this Coca-Cola
classic Christmas.
Look, and then you have thebattling carolers and the kids
throwing snowballs, and thensomeone has like a machine and
it like makes a whole bunch ofsnowballs for the kids and
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you're like man, I wish we hadthat when I was a kid because
that's amazing.
So they just kind of like gaveyou the setting and world
building of what Whoville is andhow everybody's having a
beautiful, lovely, warm,nostalgic time in community
(33:38):
together and then they juxtaposethat with this isolated Grinch
who's really he's not meanspirited because he's really
nice to his dog, but he's alsojust very sad and lonely.
Um, as opposed to jim carrey'sgrinch, the nostalgia is like we
turned all of the grinch things, even like dr seuss's drawings
(34:04):
of the who've whovians, and evenmade people's faces look like
the Whovians and put Jim Carreyin a bunch of makeup that he had
to get trained by a Navy SEALto endure torture, but I do
(34:25):
think they both lean heavily onthe nostalgia.
I enjoy the nostalgia of the2018 version more just because
of the classic Christmas and theGrinch is like oh, there's
something redemptive in himgoing forward.
So I'm not, as it's not asabrupt a flip of a switch as it
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is in the original movie and inJim Carrey's version, where it's
like there's like this lightswitch and his heart grows
really big and you're like, asAndrew said, he died.
Dr Seuss killed him.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I.
I do think, though, that.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Yeah, ron Howard.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I though that Ron Howard I mean Ron Howard was
like a kid when the Grinch cameout, like 10, 12 something.
Ronnie Howard, I'm sure it waslike a classic, especially for
him.
He probably watched it when itfirst came out, so it was
something for him that probablywas really big for him, so he
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knew how to keep the nostalgiafor it.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Looking back at the two movies, let's talk more and
more what we liked and disliked,but what was changed?
Let's start with our favoritethings.
I'm kind of we're relying onold recordings for this one.
Yeah, I got that somewhere inthe can.
As they say, opinions are likeanatomically ambiguous green
(35:54):
monsters.
Mike, your thoughts?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Was he anatomically ambiguous?
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Did you see a penis?
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Do you know how?
To most kids' movies?
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Um, I, wow, I, I'm gonna need a minute.
Oh man, uh, yeah, I.
I liked the 2018 version a lotmore than I thought I would.
There's something so iconicabout Jim Carrey, especially in
(36:35):
the roles that Jim Carrey does.
When he's comedian Jim Carrey,the physical humor just takes
over.
So I wasn't sure that I wouldlike the 2018 one that much, and
I actually really liked it alot.
The thing that I think I likedthe most was like it felt dr
sucey like, almost even more soin some regards than the 2000,
(36:59):
like the 2000 grinch was like.
Here's what dr suce would looklike if it was real, but not
real and like a little bit weird, whereas the 2018 fully
captured the whimsy of dr seussand all like the little, like
quirky details, like the birdsat the beginning that were like
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snowballs, that like popped outof the ground and then started
to fly, or like you know, thesled with like one little ski in
the middle that was likeholding it up, like it, just
like it was so distinctly drseuss.
Um, and I.
I liked that a lot all right.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Well, speaking of things, I like a lot rob, yeah
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (37:42):
um, I kind of want to agree with what mike said about
the 2018 film being more DrSeuss-y and the 2000 version
being like.
What if the Grinch were ahyper-realistic but also
fantastical vengeful?
Speaker 4 (38:03):
character.
It was like borderline TimBurton.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, yeah, I would say, it was like it was Tim
Burtonline Tim Burton.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, yeah, I would say it was like Is Burton's
Batman.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
It was Tim Burton adjacent.
Yeah, it was like Ron Howardmaking a Tim Burton movie.
That's kind of what it feelslike.
Yeah, ronnie Howard, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Ronnie.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Howard, you know, happy Days Andy Kress' show, oh,
arrested Development.
Yeah, happy days Andy's showArrested Development.
Yeah, speaking of ArrestedDevelopment.
Speaking of Arrested Developmentand narration, I do think that
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the other aspect that I reallylike about the 2018 version is
that they tried to keep thenarration throughout the film
and they tried to capture kindof the feeling and themes of you
know how the Dr Seuss book was,was read and performed.
(39:06):
So I like the the poetry andrhyming of the narration telling
you know not only the bits ofthe story that we've all read in
the book and seen in theoriginal cartoon, but then the
additional elements about theGrinch's past and growing up in
the orphanage and all that stuff.
So I really enjoyed them,trying to pay homage to that
(39:31):
original format, and I alsoreally appreciate the 2000 film
for not doing that and not justtrying to completely carbon copy
the original, because that'sall it had to go off of was the
original 60s movie.
So I really appreciate it fordoing that and I appreciate the
(39:53):
2018 movie for trying to kind ofdo both.
It worked and built off of whatthe 2000 film did in creating a
backstory and changing itslightly and then also still
going back and paying homage tothe original um and trying to
(40:13):
keep the themes uh intact withthat.
So that's, that's what Ithought pharrell is for real.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Is us such a good choice for narrator, given like?
The tone is really good, likeit, just it fits so well also,
can we talk?
We talk, though, about howCindy Lou, who is basically just
an amalgamation of Edith andAgnes from Despicable Me,
Speaking of Edith Jess.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
What?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
do you?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
think about this movie.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
All right, I was.
I totally agree about the whole.
Like Tim Burton, you you sayingthat, yes, I agree, but I
literally was thinking the wholetime.
This is like for the 2018,.
This is Despicable Me, but inthe Whovian world, that's
exactly what it was.
And it's an Illumination film,so of course it's going to have
that, but it just needed theminions and it's just a Minions
(41:09):
movie.
Grinch is a green Minion.
I guess that can talk.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
And is furry.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
And is furry.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Does that make Max Doctor Nefario?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
You didn't expect me to know that Minions weren't
furry, did you?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
You only know that because our kids like the
Minions.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, and we got those ones from McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I do like the 2001 a lot.
Jim Carrey is high.
You know peak Jim Carrey, it'speak.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Jim Carrey.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Peak.
Jim Carrey yeah, I mean it's alot of fun.
The Whovians, I don't know.
I do like the simplicity in theoriginal one where it's just
they're the townspeople youdon't know like.
I do like the simplicity in theoriginal one where it's just
they're the townspeople.
You don't have that backstory.
You have the Cindy Lou whowho's like why are you taking
our Christmas tree Santa?
But other than that, like youdon't really know any of the
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backstory.
But I mean it was nice to havethat little background and
keeping Cindy Lou who still thatinnocent little girl and then
in the new one she's still theinnocent little girl and then in
the new one she's still theinnocent little girl.
But yeah, I mean the classic isa classic and the Jim Carrey
one is also a classic.
The 2018 one I'm interested tosee in 10 or so years if it's
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still watched a lot compared tothe other two.
I don't know if it's going tohave that staying power that the
other two have.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I mean I have small children and so I watched it
quite a bit.
I haven't watched the 2000s.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
And speaking of not having staying power, I have
opinions too.
I, I don't know man.
I like the original, I likeit's nice and short, tells the
story, gets in, gets out.
He dies of a heart.
Enlargement.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
That's not what happens, and then I can go back
to watching movies aboutdinosaurs.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
It's quite the fan fiction you've written for
yourself you can drink some DrPepper while you watch it.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
He watched the horror .
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Grinch one's why yeah , yeah, I don't know.
I just I honestly, like I saidthe other two, felt like I was
kind of like it's not over yet.
It should be over yet.
This is an easy story.
You know green guy hateschristmas, green guy steals shit
.
Green guy hears people singing.
(43:29):
Green guy has a heart attack atthe end.
You know, like been there donethat?
I don't know.
So, is this just green eggs andham?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
are these movies just jacob's ladder, where, after
his heart enlarges, he's justlike in purgatory?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
maybe I don't know, that's a good idea, it's a good
thought.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I don't know what if this is like the mummy episode
and Andrew is gaslighting usagain because he actually
secretly loves all of thesemovies?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
I'm not.
I honestly it's.
I like the original because Iliked the story, like the
original book story and I justI'm not a big Jim Carrey fan in
general, gasp, and yeah gasp.
Oh, like the original bookstory.
And I just I'm not a big JimCarrey fan in general.
Gasp and yeah, gasp, oh mystars.
And I just didn't.
(44:18):
I'm not a big IlluminationEntertainment cartoon style fan
either, so I just, you know, forme, if it ain't broke, don't
fix it.
Go eat some green eggs and ham,right?
Either way, I'd give theoriginal movie a 6.2 on the pH
scale and the other ones I don'tfeel like rating.
Wow, okay, so that's wherethose kind of land up there for
(44:41):
us everybody.
So our king of listeners,robert, has brought us a pair of
questions.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
I did.
I have a pair of questions.
Read those away, big king oflisteners thank you, harold, I
will read the questions.
You're being the herald of theof the king of the listeners.
That was the whole thing.
That was the.
(45:22):
That was the bit, uh.
So I have two questions.
First question derrick askswould you be down for for Jim
Carrey to return to the rolewith motion capture or a
bodysuit instead of the hours ofmakeup and prosthetics?
And then he cited his sword.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Torture that motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
He cited his sword.
Well, we know where Andrewstands.
Wow, there's a HollywoodReporter article about Jim
Carrey saying that that's theonly way he would come back
would be to do those things.
But is that something thatpeople, at least here in this
podcast, would be interested in?
Speaker 2 (46:00):
No.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
I think I would hate it.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
I think, yeah, if the only way that you could bring
Jim Carrey back as the Grinch, Ifeel like, would be to make a
sequel, like if it was just areboot of the Grinch Son of the
Grinch Right, like if it's asequel and it's like a
continuation then sure.
But what's the point of asequel to the Grinch?
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I was literally thinking today that I'm
surprised they never made asequel where he went and found
his whatever species Grinchy isbrethren because in the
beginning he was storked andthen accidentally got storked to
the wrong place.
So there are people who arelike him and he could go find
them.
They could also be Grinch's whohate Christmas and he shows
(46:47):
them the meaning of Christmas,and I'm surprised they never did
that.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
I'm glad they never did that.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, I would hate Esmo Cap.
Good job, it would look bad.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Well, okay, have you guys ever seen that guy who made
what a Lego head would looklike if it looked like real life
?
Speaker 4 (47:04):
I think so.
It's this weird fleshy thing.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what Jim Carrey's.
We'll post a picture, robin,let's get that on our social
media.
That's what Jim Carrey's Grinchlooks like to me, compared to
the classic Dr Pepper.
Dr Seuss version, dr Pepper I'mlooking at a bottle of Dr
(47:27):
Pepper right here, the Dr Seussone.
I just I don't like it.
It's disgusting.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
His eyes are gross, his skin is gross, his mouth is
gross the other other side oflike jim carrey emotion cap is
that especially in a role likethe Grinch or, you know, like Dr
Eggman and Sonic, there's somuch of the humor of those roles
that stems from Jim Carrey'sphysical comedy and I feel like
(47:58):
that doesn't translate as wellif it's not actually him on set
on screen.
I feel like motion capturewould not actually capture that
effectively and it would loseyou'd lose out on some of the
effect of like what makes JimCarrey humor, jim Carrey humor.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
I also just don't think that he's like what would
want to do that anymore he'sdoing, for all intents and
purposes, retired, and then hewas like I'm gonna be, like what
was it?
Speaker 4 (48:34):
he said he's like I, like I'm retired.
But if somebody hands me ascript that's like solid gold
and like I, look at it and go,yes, the world needs to see this
movie, then I'll come back.
And then, like two weeks laterhe's like hey, I'm coming back
for Sonic 3.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
I mean, my son loves Sonic our son is excited, so the
Sonic movies are great, they'refun.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
They're fun movies.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
James Marsden actually gets the girl in these
movies so there's your answers,derek yeah, no, the answer's no
if they're gonna make anotherGrinch movie with mocap, they're
just going to get Andy Circus.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
You know what I'm going to say?
I'm going to just issue adecree here.
James, jimmy, oh, I was likewho are?
You talking to Jimmy?
I was like James Derek.
James, art or film, rather,jimmy.
(49:37):
I was like James Derrick, james, art or film, rather, is pain.
So if you don't want to put onall the makeup, don't do the
role.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
There you go Wow.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
Here's the answer, All right.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Second question comes from Emily long time listener
Jim Carrey a pussy.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
There you go.
I call him the egg man, emily,long time listener, long time
fan, question person as well,and she asks a very important
Christmas holiday question.
Favorite Christmas haters theGrinch, ebenezer Scrooge or
(50:11):
walter hobbs that's not a fairquestion walter hobbs.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Walter hobbs walter hobbs doesn't hate, he doesn't
hate christmas, he hates buddy.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
And then comes to love him by the end of the movie
.
That's, that's different Idon't feel like Walter hates
Buddy.
He hates his own life.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Yes, he hates his job , he hates his life.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Mike's answer is Walter Hobbs yeah, he's the
biggest hater.
No, because he doesn't hateChristmas.
I'm coming to his defense.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
He's not a Christmas hater.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
My answer is Ebenezer Scrooge, but that's just
because of michael kane.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Christmas carol.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yes, yes, michael kane I also agree that is that
is, by the way, that is myfavorite christmas movie I also
agree that's a solid choice Iagree with ebenezer scrooge,
michael kane being a big one,but I feel like the grinch well,
walter hobbes been in one film,the grinch, it's the grinch.
Well, walter Hobbs has been inone film, the Grinch, it's the
Grinch is essentially the samein all the Grinch films.
(51:13):
Ebenezer Scrooge has beenplayed by so many, not even just
actors, characters, I mean likeyou had, you know, scrooge
McDuck.
Be Ebenezer Scrooge in Mickey'sChristmas Carol.
You've had, like Michael Caine,you've had Bill Murray.
I mean, there's so manydifferent variations.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Jim.
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Carrey.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
That's right, jim Carrey, that's true.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Forgot about Jim Carrey being.
Speaker 4 (51:38):
Scrooge, I did forget about that too, that was a
weird movie Like Uncanny ValleyPolar Express.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Andrew's dad, took our son to see it and they had
to leave because our son got soscared.
I, andrew's dad, took our sonto see it and they had to leave
because our son got so scared.
I just forgot about that untiljust now.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
I remember watching that, like on a tiny little TV
in a hospital room with, I think, logan in the ER when he was
like three months old.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
My daughter is scared of Muppets and I'm concerned
that the Muppet Christmas Carolwould scare her.
I saw.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
I've seen that.
I've seen a meme.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
My, my children didn't love the ghosts, or they
didn't like the Ghost ofChristmas Past or the Ghost of
Christmas Future.
The Ghost of Christmas Futureis terrifying, yeah but the
Ghost of Christmas Past is alittle creepy, little doll.
That's like Uncanny Valley.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
She's like the little computer robot girl in Resident
Evil.
She is creepy in the MuppetChristmas Carol.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Mm-hmm.
Oh well, and Anne, they lovethe Ghost of Christmas Present
until he started to fade awayand die and then my son had a
meltdown.
I'm like great.
Speaker 4 (52:54):
Traumatized your children.
Well done, I did see the ghostof Christmas past but it's a
Christmas miracle Also theMarley brothers yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah, they didn't scare him that much though.
No, he was.
He was OK with them.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
I think it's because they sing yeah you know, uh,
marley and marley, you know I do, though I uh, I saw a meme that
showed michael kane as uh, andit said like all right, all
right, michael kane, this is amuppet one, so you can play this
as joe.
Like you can play this sillyand blah blah it one, so you can
(53:30):
play this as Joe.
You can play this silly andblah, blah, blah.
It's like I'm going to playthis as serious as a car
accident when you're going to.
Speaker 4 (53:35):
if you're going to do a Muppet movie, right, if
you're going to be the humanactor in a Muppet movie, you
either have to play it straight,like Michael Caine, and treat
the Muppets like classicallytrained Shakespearean actors, or
you have to play it like TimCurry in Muppet Treasure Island
and pretend that you are also aMuppet.
Those are the only two ways todo it accurate.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
Great performances yes, both great movies yes where
do those, where do those lie inthe list?
I feel like for me MuppetChristmas Carol is number one
and then Muppet Treasure Islandis two.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
I'll agree with that it's like there's like a very
large gap between all the otherMuppet.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Treasure Island is two.
I'll agree with that.
There's a very large gapbetween all the other Muppet
movies.
I actually like the more recentone.
Speaker 2 (54:14):
I liked the Jason Segel one because he's a huge
fan of the Muppets.
He did it in a way that wasrespectful for the Muppets.
Speaker 4 (54:22):
The Jason Segel one also gets props from me for the
Sheldon cameo which was perfect.
I haven't seen that movie sinceit came out, but I remember
that though.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
We found our way back to Muppets.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
We always do.
Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (54:41):
It was Muppets, always was.
So there's your answer.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Emily, was it Ebenezer?
Scrooge for everybody.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
I think so, except Mike said Walter Hobbs.
Walter Hobbs does not answer.
Emily was it?
Was it ebony's or scrooge foreverybody?
Or I think so.
Speaker 4 (54:50):
so mike said walter hobbs no walter hobbs does not
hate christmas.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
I choose well, not at the end he starts singing
really off key.
Oh, he doesn't hate christmas.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
No, he doesn't hate christmas, he hates people, and
I resonate with that so muchwell, that's creepy, all right.
Speaker 1 (55:10):
Well, let's go ahead and talk about our hot takes
from a murder robot.
We've got those cracking offhere in season three instead of
our dad jokes.
So, rob, can you give me some?
Well less you mark, rob, canyou give us those hot takes from
the murder robots?
Speaker 3 (55:33):
Sure, meg 3 Gan says Grinch is life, and if you don't
think so, you probably have nofriends.
So that was pretty hot take.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Just to remind you.
These are the comments of theMeg 3 Gan.
Speaker 3 (55:47):
We love our voting crew, which is kind of ironic,
because Grinch is the one thatdoesn't have friends yeah, meg
three again.
Usually is, you know, prettysaucy with us, okay, uh, she
doesn't like.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
She doesn't like redheads and tends to comment on
fire crotches.
So this one there wasn't achance, so that was like an
emerald crotch.
On this one we didn't do oh, Iwas gonna say we didn't do
Wizard of.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Oz.
There wasn't a chance, so thatwas like an emerald crotch on
this one.
We didn't do I was going to saywe didn't do Wizard of Oz there
you go.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
Emerald is green.
Jess, that's a nice.
Speaker 3 (56:20):
I realized that after I said it, all right, the other
murder robot, skynetet,whatever we want to call it,
open AI.
Yeah, whatever, this doesn'tsound as fun, skynet alright
let's talk about the Grinchmovies.
Honestly, the Grinch is the onlyguy in Christmas movies who
(56:41):
isn't pretending to love theholidays which that's not true,
Walter Hobbes while secretlyplotting to ruin them.
The man just gets it like youknow.
He's not out here pretending toenjoy ugly sweater parties or
dealing with Aaron's famousfruitcake Ugly sweater parties.
He sees Christmas for what itis a commercialized, overhyped
mess.
And honestly, who could blamehim?
Jim Carrey's Grinch isliterally the only guy who's
(57:02):
ever made me think okay, maybe Ishould just steal my neighbor's
presents.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Ugly sweater parties.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
Sounds like you're wearing an ugly sweater to an
orgy.
I I gotta say like this, thisopen eye ai, or this, this robot
, giving me this hot takes.
I said, I said, give me a hottake about these three movies
and this is what it gave me andI'm, like it's very specific
about wanting to steal frompeople.
What's this thing been trainedon?
(57:36):
Thieves?
Oh, so yeah, that's our, that'sour murder robot segment.
Thank you, rob, for readingthat out.
Um, I had a tickle in my schnozso I was afraid to try to read
it.
All right.
Well, we would like to take amoment here to talk about some
upcoming movies, things we'reexcited to see.
We might also quickly checkback on what we wanted to see
and how that worked out for us.
(57:56):
So, jess, my lovely bride, yougo first.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
I wanted to go first because I have a feeling we're
all going to see the same moviethat we're excited for and that
is 28 Years Later.
That trailer looks amazing.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
I'm very excited just , we gotta wait till April of
next year, wasn't it June?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
either way or whatever.
Speaker 4 (58:19):
I haven't watched the trailer yet.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
I should go do that oh, mike, you gotta watch it, so
good you haven't seenTerminator 2, mike, so you're
fine or Aliens but I did see 28weeks later
oh, um, oh man.
So so two moves.
I'm gonna bring up two moviesthat I watched recently that I
was end up enjoying a lot and,uh, I've been watching.
(58:42):
I've been like I have a list ofhorror movies that have been
recommended to me that I'm goingthrough.
First one I watched was strangedarling.
I end up really liking it verymike.
If you have not seen it, youshould watch it blind, because
it was really good okay, yeah,the the trailer.
I figured out the twist from thetrailer that's because you're
you which was disappointing 99of people would not figure it
(59:05):
out but mike probably would too.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
So don't watch the trailer like.
I was able to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (59:11):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
And it bummed me out that I figured it out, but it
was really good.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
The second movie I horror movie I watched that I
really liked was Late Night withthe Devil.
It had it filmed like it wasactually made in the it like it
looks like it was actually madein the 70s.
Speaker 4 (59:27):
Nice, have you seen it, mike?
No, but I like that touch youshould watch it too.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
That one was so good.
Classic evil dead camp.
I saw a little bit of it in theroom with Jess.
I was doing something else.
I forgot what I was doing so Ididn't get to see it, but it,
the way they shot it actuallyreminded me of like fire starter
and, um, uh, the the one topolice station.
Um, that we saw for the podcastprecinct.
Speaker 4 (59:59):
Yeah, like you know how those the the older like it
looked like they were mimickinglike classic, like evil dead
kind of yeah, yeah but, theymimic the style.
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Really well, it's a talk show, so it's more like a
like uh, johnny carson, almost ajimmy car, right but I'm just
saying that the way the cameraslook, there's cameras that legit
shot in that time frame, right,like like uh, firestarter or so
on yeah it.
Just it had that same kind offeel to it and I thought they
did a really good job with nice.
Oh, another, a quick.
That was another thing tooabout um, the first movie just
(01:00:31):
mentioned, they shot it on.
Well, if they're telling thetruth, they shot it all on 35
millimeter, which wasinteresting uh, I'll do a quick
third one because I've watchedit.
Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Uh, over thanksgiving , breaking the car with my kids
and I had to hide it.
But, terrifier, that movie isdisgusting, absolutely
disgusting, but I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Mike, what about you?
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
What are you looking?
Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
forward to Right now.
As far as timely movies go, I'mreally looking forward to the
Dogman movie.
It comes out January 31st.
My kids love the dogman series.
Uh, we read dogman books atleast three nights a week to
(01:01:16):
them.
Um, they're favorites in ourhouse and the movie seems on
pace to capture the like charmof those books perfectly and I
cannot wait to take my kids tosee that movie.
If you have young kids in thein the range of, like you know,
five to ten, take them it.
(01:01:37):
They'll love it, you'll love it.
It'll be a good family event,totally worth it okay.
Well, if you're not like a jadedhates cartoons old man, you'll
love it, you'll.
You'll love it.
If you're not the grinch,you'll love the potty humor in
it, andrew.
Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
Butts and guts, rob, what about?
Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
you buddy Butts and guts.
Recently I've been watchingBlack Doves on Netflix, which I
really enjoyed.
It has Keira Knightley in itand it is about a contract
killer and a spy in London whoare trying to figure out who
(01:02:21):
killed the spy's lover, and I'mabout three episodes in.
It's really, really good.
I've been enjoying it.
Um, I don't really have anymovie on the horizon that I'm uh
super excited about.
I did see a poster for the newsuperman movie.
Uh, that's coming out in julyfrom james gunn, which I like
(01:02:45):
Smallville so I like Smallville.
I have kind of enjoyed some ofthe DC movies with Superman in
them and I like James Gunn andwhat he did with Guardians, so
I'm kind of willing to just givehim the benefit of the doubt
and see what he's going to do.
But that's not like I'm notsuper excited for that one.
(01:03:13):
So that's really it for me Forright now as far as what's
coming out.
Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
So Nice For me.
There's some movies I want to.
There's some TV shows I want tosee.
I still want to catch up andwatch Lioness.
I've heard a lot of good thingsabout that.
And then there's a movie comingout early next year to Apple TV
called the Gorge, that I reallywant to see.
(01:03:43):
It's got Miles Teller and AnyaTaylor-Joy and Sigourney Weaver
in it, and so it looksinteresting, interesting.
I want to thank you all forjoining us on another episode of
rebooted.
We're so glad you took.
Uh, oh, I was gonna say hour,but I have not done recording or
editing this recording yet, sowe're just gonna guess an hour
(01:04:03):
and 15 minutes, maybe a cool 90we've only been recording for an
hour and 11 minutes oh wow,we're speedy today, so maybe
this might be a 45 minuteepisode yeah, especially for
joining us today, for whateverlength this episode is.
(01:04:24):
Uh, we really hope you're, oryou've, enjoyed it and had some
laughs, you know, light a fewmusics with us and just kind of
roll on the dough.
So, once again, if you lovewhat we're doing here, check us
out at jamrfun or at ourpatreoncom slash jamrllc I
(01:04:49):
believe I should know this andwe're also going to be on
Substack and you can check usout there and you can join us,
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Help us get out there.
2025 is going to be our year toget more downloads, so thank
(01:05:17):
you all.
Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
And just remember this holiday season.
Whether it's the how the GrinchStole Christmas book, the 1966
special, the 2000 Jim Carrey orthe 2018 Benedict Cumberbatch,
no matter which version you'rewatching or reading, Max is a
good, good boy.
Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Max is a good, good boy.
Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Who's Max?
Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
no-transcript you, you, you you you you, you.
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