March 10, 2024 • 24 mins
Michael and Preston return in Episode 53 to discuss reframing, space repetition (another 75 Hard go by Preston) and taking steps on the path toward closing the gap between us and our dreams!
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Preston (00:09):
All righty, Michael.
Welcome to year number two,officially of the Reclaiming Man
podcast, episode 53.
You got me.
Yeah, according to the day thatwe released our first episode.
What is the date today?
Is it the?
March 9th.
(00:30):
Oh, dang.
Yeah.
That's pretty freaking cool,dude.
Michael (00:34):
Yeah.
That was the day that wereleased our first few episodes,
it's crazy.
This
Preston (00:38):
time last year, Scott and I were in St.
Louis or something like that,and you weren't there.
Now, this year.
Scott's doing family stufftoday.
He's got his like in laws intown for a visit and you and I
are hanging out.
We should yeah, really quickepisode 53 reclaiming man,
(00:59):
Preston, the Southern CanuckRadomski here.
And we got Don Miguel, otherwiseknown as a Michael, the
mastermind Beckwith over thereon the other side there.
But, we were with Zach Babcocklast year, cause we were
learning how to do this wholepodcast thing.
Have you seen his picturerecently?
No.
What did he do?
He shaved his beard off, bro.
(01:19):
Beard is gone.
He looks fantastic.
Michael (01:22):
You know why I did, right?
Cause you did.
Yeah.
Preston (01:26):
Yeah, Zach.
It's very honored that you tooka page out of my book and shaved
your beard off.
And it's looking good.
You're looking about as handsomeas I'm looking these days.
But you gotta get a little bitmore gray in your beard like I
do and then you'll be up to parwith me there, buddy.
Ha Until then.
It adds the wisdom.
(01:46):
You're welcome.
Yeah, but he does have somereally fricking cool tattoos.
So I guess he's got the edge inthat aspect.
Or I guess that maybe makes ustied.
I don't
riverside_preston_the sou (01:53):
know.
Preston (01:54):
So what are we talking about today?
Michael episode 53 reclaimingmind.
Are we on?
Michael (02:01):
Yes.
Reclaiming mind.
I was thinking we would harkenback to a concept called close
the gap.
And I was rereading through someof the Tony Robbins materials
that I went through last yearand one of his four day
conferences, which was reallygood.
Unleash the power within and,close the gap.
(02:25):
It's just the concept thatthere's always.
going to be something betweenyou, some amount of space or
some skill that you need toacquire or level up on, some
additional time that you need tospend executing against some
plan to close the gap betweenwhere we're at right now and
where we want to be in thefuture.
And I was delayed getting inhere because, My sister in law
(02:53):
and Jen, my wife and Paige andLucy, my father in law were
downstairs and they weretapping.
Are you familiar with tapping?
Like tap dancing?
It's like priming.
Tapping with you use, yourfingers like on different parts
of your bodies.
And you basically, as you'redoing it, you're doing
(03:13):
incantations, like you'retalking about things that you
want to like negative energythat you want to release or
things that you want to do.
There's all sorts of differentOr
Preston (03:20):
you do, like Allah, Akbar, like stuff like those
guys.
No,
Michael (03:24):
I'm just kidding.
Yes.
Preston (03:25):
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
Now that sounds reallyinteresting.
Is it like a meditative thing,almost, or?
Michael (03:33):
So I don't know too much about this yet, right?
I just I saw them down there andit reminded me, because they
were talking about things in thefuture.
That's a car.
I had this workbook open as I'vebeen just.
Reworking through itindependently and I saw this
close the gap exercise that hedoes where he you know has us
(03:53):
Help actually like he brings inDean Graziosi.
Do you know that name?
Preston (04:00):
Sounds familiar, but I don't like I don't know offhand
No,
Michael (04:03):
okay.
I won't go down into too deep ofa Tangent on it, but either way,
you know Closing the gap just,you know referring to what?
Whichever area of your life.
And I think for me right now,it's mostly mentally that I need
to close the gap and put myselfin position to acquire the the
knowledge and the skills to takeme to where I want to go next,
(04:25):
because we always have thisplace where we are right now,
and then.
There should be a tensionbetween a positive tension
between where we want to go andthose dreams that we have it's
like it makes for the uncomfortit makes for the challenge and
the stress.
But in some cases, it's likejust changing the perspective on
(04:47):
the stress to realize that it'sgood.
And so that was what I wanted tobasically talk reframing.
Stress in a positive manner andhow that can help us close the
gap.
I like it.
Yeah I think
Preston (05:02):
I struggle too with the what you're talking about like
mentally I guess accomplishingthings or being mentally focused
or being mentally tough.
Yeah, Yeah, and it's I think alot of people I don't think I
know like I bet like I would Idon't know 75 percent of
(05:25):
Americans gosh, I would sayprobably even more Struggle with
that on a daily basis And thenwhen you Look at what America
kind of is right now.
Just how we were all overweight,and we're all not eating right,
and we're You know just suicidesare up, like children are lost.
(05:51):
The gap is widening.
The gap is, yeah, wideningextreme.
It is and it isn't.
There's like the people thatare, yeah, you're right, the gap
is widening with a lot ofpeople.
But there are the folks thatare.
Yeah, with some people.
Recognizing that and attemptedto do something about that close
that gap for themselves.
And I think the more people thatdo that, the more, and talk
(06:15):
about it too, I just started 75hard again.
I'm on day six.
I think I'm on day six.
And I haven't told my wife I'mdoing it yet.
It was funny the other day.
She's are you doing 75 hardagain?
I was like, no, not like really.
Cause what was it?
It's Sunday night or Mondaymorning or something.
(06:36):
Just Oh, you want to have somechampagne tonight?
I was like, nah, I'm good.
And I forget something else.
And then, Oh, and then I wasgetting granola or peanuts and
stuff ready for my lunch.
And it was like a trail mix withM& M's and stuff in it.
So I'm at the kitchen likepicking out all the M& M's and
Rivanna comes up and she's like,Why are you doing that?
I'm I just don't want to.
Cause like my whole thing is Iwant to try and do 75 hard
(06:59):
without anybody knowing.
I'm telling you right nowbecause like it just, I have to
know that we're talking aboutthis concept because it's
Exactly.
It's one of those tools.
It's a great tool.
Yeah.
And the idea of if I can do itwithout anyone like knowing,
then like that, cause the wholepoint about like 75 hard is like
the mental toughness challenge.
(07:20):
And when we all did it lastyear, I made it to, I don't
know, day 40 or something likethat.
And just fell off the wagonafter that.
And I remember thinking thewhole time, like even my wife
was like what, even if you madeit to day 75, what do you do on
day 76?
And I had just been.
I just read the 75 Hard bookrecently, or I started reading,
(07:41):
I finished it to this morningand I was listening to, he's got
two podcasts.
One is 75 Hard and one is thelive hard program and 75 Hard is
part of that program because I'dalways wondered too yeah, what
do you do after day 75?
And what Andy does is it's thiswhole one year program of Live
Hard.
(08:01):
I won't go into it, but if youlook up on his podcast, episode
14 of Real Af.
is the 75 hard program and Iforget the live hard aspect, but
it's just okay, so it's not justsomething you do once and forget
about.
It's like you, you turn it intothis lifestyle and it seems
(08:22):
unsustainable.
But as I was thinking about,because the last time it was
hard because I would have to getup early for work and work out
and then I would have to Get aworkout in at the end of the
day, which would cut into familytime.
But this time around, I was howcan I do this?
So that no one knows.
And it's I have to take an hourlunch at work.
(08:44):
And it's what do I do duringthat hour lunch?
I just fuck around on Instagramand Facebook.
Absolutely do nothing formyself.
So what if I just take a ruck towork and walk around for 45
minutes, wherever the hell I'mat, whichever city.
And it's then that's all done.
And like reading takes 10 or 15minutes, like here and there.
And the rest is like easy.
(09:06):
And then you figure out if youcan do that, then you can do a
lot of things.
I'm assuming like when I get today 75.
And it's just, it's hardmentally because.
I half did it the first time.
So starting over is ah, fuck.
Like I already made it this farthe first time.
It's hard to start over againand redo it.
(09:27):
But at the same time, when, youget a few days in, it's okay.
This does feel good, even thoughit's rough.
So totally lost my train ofthought.
I don't know where the heck Iwas going with that.
Michael (09:42):
No, I think both of the things that you're mentioning
with regards to 75 hard andclosing the gap you have to find
these.
Different tools to help, routineis one of the things that we've
talked about so much.
And I agree that the same reallydoes apply to the closing the
(10:02):
gap because it has to besomething that's a consistent
part of your routine that you'regoing to do.
And, so the the.
The mindset gaps that we allhave the more, the more that I
read in the, in this space theyre I feel like there's quite a
(10:24):
few through lines around mindsetand closing the gap for me
anyways.
Like I think about, like the, Iwas talking about the aspects of
positive stress and The tensionthat exists between where you
are, for instance, with, playinga few gigs down at Broadway to I
(10:47):
want this to be my main thing.
There's tension because yourdesire is to be playing more.
And so in order to do that,it's, that's where you look at
something like 75 hard and Iwould say, yeah, that's a great
program, but also add in theelement of.
Music, because if you want to bedoing anything for 75 days
straight, yeah, working out isgreat, but hopefully you'll find
(11:10):
with rucking, like if you justdo the ruck and then this sounds
so weird, but do the rock, butthen at the end of it, do some
squats, try to do some pushupswith that rucksack on.
Like your body is going to belike full full workout.
It's going to be So anyways, mypoint is I would suggest that
(11:35):
replacing some part of the 75hard day with just more music,
more guitar, because the goal ofthat 75 hard program to your
point is to get to like reallyrapid improvement and then find
a way to sustain it afterwards.
Yeah, which, I know you have youwant to have from a physical and
(12:01):
body perspective, you have theseother goals, but mentally, and
musically, you also have theseother more important goals.
So that's where I, think withthe 75 hard program, it's
important to tailor it to whatare you trying to accomplish at
the end of these 75 days?
And it's not like a specificgoal as much as it is a change
in direction.
(12:22):
I think our change in energy andvelocity, because it gives you
so much more momentum.
And that's where I was like, whyI was revisiting this Tony
Robbins stuff.
I was like, I need to put moreenergy, more focus into these
things again, because last yearwhen I was doing it, then I was
finding a greater level ofsuccess a greater level of
(12:44):
growth was happening because Iwas just putting more energy and
focus on my mindset.
And by the end of the year, itwasn't like, Oh, I think I have
this figured out.
It was more I was focusing onother things.
I was putting my energy intoother places.
Focusing on the positive stressas I was looking at this last
(13:06):
couple of weeks, which had anumber of different like work
deliverables and personal stuffthat was going on.
There, there's just, quite a bitof disconnect with just family
stuff and, raising kids life.
And yesterday at the end of theday, I realized that.
(13:32):
In every area that I thought Iwas struggling, I just had this
reframing moment of looking atit like, Oh, this is making us
stronger.
This is making our familystronger by going through this
stuff.
And so it just gave me so muchmore patience going into the
conversations with my daughterand my wife.
And, there's just it So manygood effects, I think when you
(13:54):
can reframe something that mostpeople consider as negative and
look at it from the perspectiveof is this helping me move
towards my goals?
And in this case, I think itreally is like all this stuff is
helping me move in the rightdirection.
It just is stressful and that'snot a bad thing.
Preston (14:13):
Yeah, no I totally feel you.
It's.
One of the main reasons, one ofthe other main reasons why I
wanted to do 75 hard again wasbecause I really want to get out
of FedEx and onto Broadway.
And while it might seemcounterintuitive to spend that
(14:34):
much time working out during theday, it's I'm still doing like a
ton of music when I've beenrocking at work.
What's building discipline,right?
And that's a huge that too.
And it's, that's really good.
It's well, yeah, it's extremelygood.
And it's and I like, I need tobe, cause I played a gig last
(14:56):
weekend and, like I wore mycowboy boots down there.
And then like for two daysafter, like my knees were just
fucking gone.
I didn't, cause I, I got theselike new flat shoes a few months
back and like my knees have beenfeeling like so good at work and
getting stronger.
What kind of shoes are they?
They're this brand called Lemsand they're just like a zero
(15:18):
lift heel or something like, Iforget what the term is, but
they're just, they're flat.
They're cushioned, but they aredesigned cause like basically
our, the way we're designed towalk, it's like our feet are
just our feet.
And when you have a raised heel.
It affects the way your kneesand your posture and stuff
works.
(15:38):
Yeah, that makes sense.
And, wearing my boots at thatgig, like just threw them out
again.
And so I was like, okay I've gotat least part of the 75 heart
two is like getting my legs somuch stronger in the muscle,
stronger around those knees.
And then also, what was I goingto say?
Oh, just.
(15:58):
When I've been rocking, likeI've been doing it with no
headphones.
Like I'm just walking aroundthese towns, like in my head for
45 minutes.
And I'm like, I'm plottingthings.
I'm planning things.
I'm like organizing stuff forBroadway in my head.
And then I, yes.
Okay.
I love it.
So it's I have, yeah.
Method and a plan for all thisand it's, I feel like I'm
(16:21):
building confidence in myselfback up again by, by doing this
and feeling good aboutaccomplishing these things.
So it's like now I, cause it'sjust we talked with Brad last
week, just how intimidating itis like getting down there and
doing, putting yourself outthere, but it's like, You just
got to do it.
(16:43):
Building this confidence up inmyself is making me feel more
yeah I can just, I'll be fine.
Like I've got a gig nextSaturday and, I'm going to try
and get it one before that sameday.
I don't know if that willhappen.
It just depends if anyone needsa guitar player or not.
But yeah, just getting downthere and just doing a bunch of
(17:03):
things and being more attentivearound the house and just just
focusing the mindset.
I really feel like this secondtime around, I have a different,
attitude mindset going into itbecause I also understand like
day 76 is, it almost I'massuming it's just, my plan is
for it to like not in, not thatI'm going to do 75 hard for the
(17:26):
rest of my life, but, to someextent, I really feel like I
just need to, on some level andit's the way the kind of, what
was the year long program worksis like when you're done 75
hard, like in order to startphase one, Do they
Michael (17:50):
still not drink the whole time like are they like
really focusing on that piece towork the live harder?
Preston (17:56):
Yes, sort so there's three phases.
75 hard is 75 hard And thenduring those other three phases
you can't drink but those threephases are one month each So
it's like when you're done 75hard, you have to take, I think
you have to take a month off.
Like you can't start phase onefor a month.
(18:20):
You can keep doing 75 hard orwhatever you want, but it
doesn't.
quote unquote count towards thelip because it's like the point
is that you take that month offand then if you, when you have
to get back into it so you canhave a cocktail or whatever,
like maybe do one workout a day.
So the first phase one is like75 hard plus a few other things
you add.
And then I think you take a bitof time off to phase two.
(18:42):
I think it's just 75 hard againwith a few other things.
And then phase three you can,you have to start with 30 days
left to your year anniversary ofstarting 75 hard.
So if you fail phase one, youstill have time to like complete
phase one within that year, butif you fail phase three you,
(19:03):
you're fucked for the year.
You got to start over basically.
And phase three, there'ssomething like you got to talk
to someone new every day out inpublic.
There's some, it's reallyinteresting.
It's it's worth looking intojust for, I don't know, it's
just an interesting dude.
Michael (19:18):
Yeah, I should have read.
I think I should have read moreabout it before I did that,
because I think.
The way that I looked at it wasprobably more in one of those
types of phase one, phase two,phase three approaches where I
was just thinking like, Oh man,at the time.
And I still, let's say I'm inthe same boat.
Like I'm not overly dissatisfiedwith my body.
Yes.
I would like to be stronger.
(19:39):
Yes.
I would like to have moreendurance, but, I look at it as
okay, what are the outputs ofthat?
Gosh, I, that just Means I haveto eat more.
I have to eat more calories ifI'm going to work out twice a
day.
And so if I'm going to eat morethan it just I'm like I have to,
find more things to eat, so Ithere's this is one of those
(19:59):
areas where I look at it, it's Idon't think it as much, think
about it as much as two workoutsa day.
It's just like making sure thatyou spend at least 45 minutes
outside a day.
That's yeah.
Yeah, that's huge.
Especially if it involvesanything out in the sun and just
the therapy of, like you said,walking around and being able to
(20:20):
be up in your head because yourfeet are just taking you where
they go.
Yeah, exactly.
Preston (20:26):
Yeah, I think if, maybe by the 75 hard book, cause it's
So much of what the, it's not afitness challenge and that's he
emphasizes that on the, causehe's got like a dedicated
podcast to the program of 75hard like an episode and then an
(20:47):
episode dedicated to the livehard.
And it's it's, yes, it'stechnically a fitness challenge
to some aspect that you're goingto get more fit, but it's the
whole point of the program is tobuild mental toughness.
And Yeah.
Yeah.
A side effect of that is the,getting more healthy and all
that.
And that's, I think what is loston, because of like the
(21:09):
Instagram world and the waypeople like tag it online, it
can very easily just become thisoh, make your body look better
challenge type of a thing.
And it does, and it will, butthat's not the sort of end goal
of what his.
Michael (21:19):
Yeah, exactly.
It's not the end goal.
Preston (21:21):
It goes to what we're talking about today, like that
closing the gap, like beingmentally strong.
Michael (21:28):
Yeah.
That's great.
I think that's a good way towrap the show.
Ultimately there's a couple ofdifferent things that we're
talking about here to ways toclose the gap.
And the first one that I broughtup was reframing some of The
stress that we're experiencingin life.
And it's not to say thatnegative stress doesn't exist
just coming out of some episodeswhere we talked about anxiety
(21:49):
and stressful situations in thecase of our interview with Brad,
where there's some social dramaor whatever it may be, there are
true negative stress situations.
Let's avoid those.
But then.
Totally.
Also recognize that the stressin your life also could be
positive because it could bethat tension.
That's you making efforts to getto that next level.
(22:09):
I certainly have felt that way.
And I think Preston with kickingoff another, effort at 75 hard,
I feel coming into it and youdoing it for yourself, not for
other people, not for socialmedia, that's a really cool
aspect of it.
And I think it's going to bevery helpful for you and also
closing the gap, especially thestuff that you were talking
(22:31):
about with just doing planningfor Broadway.
That's super exciting.
Hope the listeners also canthink about something in their
life in a similar way, whetherit's doing another 75 day
challenge or just assessingwhere your mindset's at and
seeing if, are you becoming moreresilient mentally to Preston's
point?
(22:51):
Are you building up that mentaltoughness or are you starting to
just take a step farther awayfrom what your dreams are by.
Not taking action.
Preston (23:03):
Go out there and start something today.
That's right.
What did you do this morning fora workout?
I did a kettlebell leg workout.
Nice.
So second leg workout, which islike, yeah, because I'm I was
following like in his, in Andy'sbook, he goes through what he
would do during his work and hewould do weights every day and
(23:25):
then some kind of cardio in theafternoon outside.
And so he would do it was likeshoulders, shoulders, back legs.
Arms.
What is the other one?
It was like four things and thentwo leg days a week and just,
and then rotate.
So it's cause leg day sucks.
Like when I did it on Wednesday,I did one on Wednesday and like
(23:47):
Thursday and Friday, I've justbeen a fricking mess.
And so this morning it was like,here we go again.
It was rough.
Like I was having a hard time.
Keep up with my keeping up withmy girl.
But in two weeks, like my legsare going to be fucking tree
trunks, so it's like.
I just don't, I'm not going toskip leg day.
It's just going to happen twicea week.
And that's going to be that.
And and to your
Michael (24:10):
point about being on stage and feeling more
comfortable and not having yourknees hurt there's so much more
important.
I'm building out that like incore strength.
So totally.
Yeah.
That's where I was just likethinking about.
75 hard again, it's just that'sa really good way for you to
help close the gap.
So yeah, super cool, man.
Preston (24:32):
Yeah, but we'll get there That's right.
Episode 53.
I'll see you next week in thebooks.
Hell yeah.
Everybody have a great week.
And if you get into anyshenanigans on a St.
Patrick's day, get an Uber.
We'll see you next time.
All righty, Michael.
Welcome to year number two,officially of the Reclaiming Man
podcast, episode 53.
You got me.
Yeah, according to the day thatwe released our first episode.
What is the date today?
Is it the?
March 9th.
(00:30):
Oh, dang.
Yeah.
That's pretty freaking cool,dude.
Michael (00:34):
Yeah.
That was the day that wereleased our first few episodes,
it's crazy.
This
Preston (00:38):
time last year, Scott and I were in St.
Louis or something like that,and you weren't there.
Now, this year.
Scott's doing family stufftoday.
He's got his like in laws intown for a visit and you and I
are hanging out.
We should yeah, really quickepisode 53 reclaiming man,
(00:59):
Preston, the Southern CanuckRadomski here.
And we got Don Miguel, otherwiseknown as a Michael, the
mastermind Beckwith over thereon the other side there.
But, we were with Zach Babcocklast year, cause we were
learning how to do this wholepodcast thing.
Have you seen his picturerecently?
No.
What did he do?
He shaved his beard off, bro.
(01:19):
Beard is gone.
He looks fantastic.
Michael (01:22):
You know why I did, right?
Cause you did.
Yeah.
Preston (01:26):
Yeah, Zach.
It's very honored that you tooka page out of my book and shaved
your beard off.
And it's looking good.
You're looking about as handsomeas I'm looking these days.
But you gotta get a little bitmore gray in your beard like I
do and then you'll be up to parwith me there, buddy.
Ha Until then.
It adds the wisdom.
(01:46):
You're welcome.
Yeah, but he does have somereally fricking cool tattoos.
So I guess he's got the edge inthat aspect.
Or I guess that maybe makes ustied.
I don't
riverside_preston_the sou (01:53):
know.
Preston (01:54):
So what are we talking about today?
Michael episode 53 reclaimingmind.
Are we on?
Michael (02:01):
Yes.
Reclaiming mind.
I was thinking we would harkenback to a concept called close
the gap.
And I was rereading through someof the Tony Robbins materials
that I went through last yearand one of his four day
conferences, which was reallygood.
Unleash the power within and,close the gap.
(02:25):
It's just the concept thatthere's always.
going to be something betweenyou, some amount of space or
some skill that you need toacquire or level up on, some
additional time that you need tospend executing against some
plan to close the gap betweenwhere we're at right now and
where we want to be in thefuture.
And I was delayed getting inhere because, My sister in law
(02:53):
and Jen, my wife and Paige andLucy, my father in law were
downstairs and they weretapping.
Are you familiar with tapping?
Like tap dancing?
It's like priming.
Tapping with you use, yourfingers like on different parts
of your bodies.
And you basically, as you'redoing it, you're doing
(03:13):
incantations, like you'retalking about things that you
want to like negative energythat you want to release or
things that you want to do.
There's all sorts of differentOr
Preston (03:20):
you do, like Allah, Akbar, like stuff like those
guys.
No,
Michael (03:24):
I'm just kidding.
Yes.
Preston (03:25):
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
Now that sounds reallyinteresting.
Is it like a meditative thing,almost, or?
Michael (03:33):
So I don't know too much about this yet, right?
I just I saw them down there andit reminded me, because they
were talking about things in thefuture.
That's a car.
I had this workbook open as I'vebeen just.
Reworking through itindependently and I saw this
close the gap exercise that hedoes where he you know has us
(03:53):
Help actually like he brings inDean Graziosi.
Do you know that name?
Preston (04:00):
Sounds familiar, but I don't like I don't know offhand
No,
Michael (04:03):
okay.
I won't go down into too deep ofa Tangent on it, but either way,
you know Closing the gap just,you know referring to what?
Whichever area of your life.
And I think for me right now,it's mostly mentally that I need
to close the gap and put myselfin position to acquire the the
knowledge and the skills to takeme to where I want to go next,
(04:25):
because we always have thisplace where we are right now,
and then.
There should be a tensionbetween a positive tension
between where we want to go andthose dreams that we have it's
like it makes for the uncomfortit makes for the challenge and
the stress.
But in some cases, it's likejust changing the perspective on
(04:47):
the stress to realize that it'sgood.
And so that was what I wanted tobasically talk reframing.
Stress in a positive manner andhow that can help us close the
gap.
I like it.
Yeah I think
Preston (05:02):
I struggle too with the what you're talking about like
mentally I guess accomplishingthings or being mentally focused
or being mentally tough.
Yeah, Yeah, and it's I think alot of people I don't think I
know like I bet like I would Idon't know 75 percent of
(05:25):
Americans gosh, I would sayprobably even more Struggle with
that on a daily basis And thenwhen you Look at what America
kind of is right now.
Just how we were all overweight,and we're all not eating right,
and we're You know just suicidesare up, like children are lost.
(05:51):
The gap is widening.
The gap is, yeah, wideningextreme.
It is and it isn't.
There's like the people thatare, yeah, you're right, the gap
is widening with a lot ofpeople.
But there are the folks thatare.
Yeah, with some people.
Recognizing that and attemptedto do something about that close
that gap for themselves.
And I think the more people thatdo that, the more, and talk
(06:15):
about it too, I just started 75hard again.
I'm on day six.
I think I'm on day six.
And I haven't told my wife I'mdoing it yet.
It was funny the other day.
She's are you doing 75 hardagain?
I was like, no, not like really.
Cause what was it?
It's Sunday night or Mondaymorning or something.
(06:36):
Just Oh, you want to have somechampagne tonight?
I was like, nah, I'm good.
And I forget something else.
And then, Oh, and then I wasgetting granola or peanuts and
stuff ready for my lunch.
And it was like a trail mix withM& M's and stuff in it.
So I'm at the kitchen likepicking out all the M& M's and
Rivanna comes up and she's like,Why are you doing that?
I'm I just don't want to.
Cause like my whole thing is Iwant to try and do 75 hard
(06:59):
without anybody knowing.
I'm telling you right nowbecause like it just, I have to
know that we're talking aboutthis concept because it's
Exactly.
It's one of those tools.
It's a great tool.
Yeah.
And the idea of if I can do itwithout anyone like knowing,
then like that, cause the wholepoint about like 75 hard is like
the mental toughness challenge.
(07:20):
And when we all did it lastyear, I made it to, I don't
know, day 40 or something likethat.
And just fell off the wagonafter that.
And I remember thinking thewhole time, like even my wife
was like what, even if you madeit to day 75, what do you do on
day 76?
And I had just been.
I just read the 75 Hard bookrecently, or I started reading,
(07:41):
I finished it to this morningand I was listening to, he's got
two podcasts.
One is 75 Hard and one is thelive hard program and 75 Hard is
part of that program because I'dalways wondered too yeah, what
do you do after day 75?
And what Andy does is it's thiswhole one year program of Live
Hard.
(08:01):
I won't go into it, but if youlook up on his podcast, episode
14 of Real Af.
is the 75 hard program and Iforget the live hard aspect, but
it's just okay, so it's not justsomething you do once and forget
about.
It's like you, you turn it intothis lifestyle and it seems
(08:22):
unsustainable.
But as I was thinking about,because the last time it was
hard because I would have to getup early for work and work out
and then I would have to Get aworkout in at the end of the
day, which would cut into familytime.
But this time around, I was howcan I do this?
So that no one knows.
And it's I have to take an hourlunch at work.
(08:44):
And it's what do I do duringthat hour lunch?
I just fuck around on Instagramand Facebook.
Absolutely do nothing formyself.
So what if I just take a ruck towork and walk around for 45
minutes, wherever the hell I'mat, whichever city.
And it's then that's all done.
And like reading takes 10 or 15minutes, like here and there.
And the rest is like easy.
(09:06):
And then you figure out if youcan do that, then you can do a
lot of things.
I'm assuming like when I get today 75.
And it's just, it's hardmentally because.
I half did it the first time.
So starting over is ah, fuck.
Like I already made it this farthe first time.
It's hard to start over againand redo it.
(09:27):
But at the same time, when, youget a few days in, it's okay.
This does feel good, even thoughit's rough.
So totally lost my train ofthought.
I don't know where the heck Iwas going with that.
Michael (09:42):
No, I think both of the things that you're mentioning
with regards to 75 hard andclosing the gap you have to find
these.
Different tools to help, routineis one of the things that we've
talked about so much.
And I agree that the same reallydoes apply to the closing the
(10:02):
gap because it has to besomething that's a consistent
part of your routine that you'regoing to do.
And, so the the.
The mindset gaps that we allhave the more, the more that I
read in the, in this space theyre I feel like there's quite a
(10:24):
few through lines around mindsetand closing the gap for me
anyways.
Like I think about, like the, Iwas talking about the aspects of
positive stress and The tensionthat exists between where you
are, for instance, with, playinga few gigs down at Broadway to I
(10:47):
want this to be my main thing.
There's tension because yourdesire is to be playing more.
And so in order to do that,it's, that's where you look at
something like 75 hard and Iwould say, yeah, that's a great
program, but also add in theelement of.
Music, because if you want to bedoing anything for 75 days
straight, yeah, working out isgreat, but hopefully you'll find
(11:10):
with rucking, like if you justdo the ruck and then this sounds
so weird, but do the rock, butthen at the end of it, do some
squats, try to do some pushupswith that rucksack on.
Like your body is going to belike full full workout.
It's going to be So anyways, mypoint is I would suggest that
(11:35):
replacing some part of the 75hard day with just more music,
more guitar, because the goal ofthat 75 hard program to your
point is to get to like reallyrapid improvement and then find
a way to sustain it afterwards.
Yeah, which, I know you have youwant to have from a physical and
(12:01):
body perspective, you have theseother goals, but mentally, and
musically, you also have theseother more important goals.
So that's where I, think withthe 75 hard program, it's
important to tailor it to whatare you trying to accomplish at
the end of these 75 days?
And it's not like a specificgoal as much as it is a change
in direction.
(12:22):
I think our change in energy andvelocity, because it gives you
so much more momentum.
And that's where I was like, whyI was revisiting this Tony
Robbins stuff.
I was like, I need to put moreenergy, more focus into these
things again, because last yearwhen I was doing it, then I was
finding a greater level ofsuccess a greater level of
(12:44):
growth was happening because Iwas just putting more energy and
focus on my mindset.
And by the end of the year, itwasn't like, Oh, I think I have
this figured out.
It was more I was focusing onother things.
I was putting my energy intoother places.
Focusing on the positive stressas I was looking at this last
(13:06):
couple of weeks, which had anumber of different like work
deliverables and personal stuffthat was going on.
There, there's just, quite a bitof disconnect with just family
stuff and, raising kids life.
And yesterday at the end of theday, I realized that.
(13:32):
In every area that I thought Iwas struggling, I just had this
reframing moment of looking atit like, Oh, this is making us
stronger.
This is making our familystronger by going through this
stuff.
And so it just gave me so muchmore patience going into the
conversations with my daughterand my wife.
And, there's just it So manygood effects, I think when you
(13:54):
can reframe something that mostpeople consider as negative and
look at it from the perspectiveof is this helping me move
towards my goals?
And in this case, I think itreally is like all this stuff is
helping me move in the rightdirection.
It just is stressful and that'snot a bad thing.
Preston (14:13):
Yeah, no I totally feel you.
It's.
One of the main reasons, one ofthe other main reasons why I
wanted to do 75 hard again wasbecause I really want to get out
of FedEx and onto Broadway.
And while it might seemcounterintuitive to spend that
(14:34):
much time working out during theday, it's I'm still doing like a
ton of music when I've beenrocking at work.
What's building discipline,right?
And that's a huge that too.
And it's, that's really good.
It's well, yeah, it's extremelygood.
And it's and I like, I need tobe, cause I played a gig last
(14:56):
weekend and, like I wore mycowboy boots down there.
And then like for two daysafter, like my knees were just
fucking gone.
I didn't, cause I, I got theselike new flat shoes a few months
back and like my knees have beenfeeling like so good at work and
getting stronger.
What kind of shoes are they?
They're this brand called Lemsand they're just like a zero
(15:18):
lift heel or something like, Iforget what the term is, but
they're just, they're flat.
They're cushioned, but they aredesigned cause like basically
our, the way we're designed towalk, it's like our feet are
just our feet.
And when you have a raised heel.
It affects the way your kneesand your posture and stuff
works.
(15:38):
Yeah, that makes sense.
And, wearing my boots at thatgig, like just threw them out
again.
And so I was like, okay I've gotat least part of the 75 heart
two is like getting my legs somuch stronger in the muscle,
stronger around those knees.
And then also, what was I goingto say?
Oh, just.
(15:58):
When I've been rocking, likeI've been doing it with no
headphones.
Like I'm just walking aroundthese towns, like in my head for
45 minutes.
And I'm like, I'm plottingthings.
I'm planning things.
I'm like organizing stuff forBroadway in my head.
And then I, yes.
Okay.
I love it.
So it's I have, yeah.
Method and a plan for all thisand it's, I feel like I'm
(16:21):
building confidence in myselfback up again by, by doing this
and feeling good aboutaccomplishing these things.
So it's like now I, cause it'sjust we talked with Brad last
week, just how intimidating itis like getting down there and
doing, putting yourself outthere, but it's like, You just
got to do it.
(16:43):
Building this confidence up inmyself is making me feel more
yeah I can just, I'll be fine.
Like I've got a gig nextSaturday and, I'm going to try
and get it one before that sameday.
I don't know if that willhappen.
It just depends if anyone needsa guitar player or not.
But yeah, just getting downthere and just doing a bunch of
(17:03):
things and being more attentivearound the house and just just
focusing the mindset.
I really feel like this secondtime around, I have a different,
attitude mindset going into itbecause I also understand like
day 76 is, it almost I'massuming it's just, my plan is
for it to like not in, not thatI'm going to do 75 hard for the
(17:26):
rest of my life, but, to someextent, I really feel like I
just need to, on some level andit's the way the kind of, what
was the year long program worksis like when you're done 75
hard, like in order to startphase one, Do they
Michael (17:50):
still not drink the whole time like are they like
really focusing on that piece towork the live harder?
Preston (17:56):
Yes, sort so there's three phases.
75 hard is 75 hard And thenduring those other three phases
you can't drink but those threephases are one month each So
it's like when you're done 75hard, you have to take, I think
you have to take a month off.
Like you can't start phase onefor a month.
(18:20):
You can keep doing 75 hard orwhatever you want, but it
doesn't.
quote unquote count towards thelip because it's like the point
is that you take that month offand then if you, when you have
to get back into it so you canhave a cocktail or whatever,
like maybe do one workout a day.
So the first phase one is like75 hard plus a few other things
you add.
And then I think you take a bitof time off to phase two.
(18:42):
I think it's just 75 hard againwith a few other things.
And then phase three you can,you have to start with 30 days
left to your year anniversary ofstarting 75 hard.
So if you fail phase one, youstill have time to like complete
phase one within that year, butif you fail phase three you,
(19:03):
you're fucked for the year.
You got to start over basically.
And phase three, there'ssomething like you got to talk
to someone new every day out inpublic.
There's some, it's reallyinteresting.
It's it's worth looking intojust for, I don't know, it's
just an interesting dude.
Michael (19:18):
Yeah, I should have read.
I think I should have read moreabout it before I did that,
because I think.
The way that I looked at it wasprobably more in one of those
types of phase one, phase two,phase three approaches where I
was just thinking like, Oh man,at the time.
And I still, let's say I'm inthe same boat.
Like I'm not overly dissatisfiedwith my body.
Yes.
I would like to be stronger.
(19:39):
Yes.
I would like to have moreendurance, but, I look at it as
okay, what are the outputs ofthat?
Gosh, I, that just Means I haveto eat more.
I have to eat more calories ifI'm going to work out twice a
day.
And so if I'm going to eat morethan it just I'm like I have to,
find more things to eat, so Ithere's this is one of those
(19:59):
areas where I look at it, it's Idon't think it as much, think
about it as much as two workoutsa day.
It's just like making sure thatyou spend at least 45 minutes
outside a day.
That's yeah.
Yeah, that's huge.
Especially if it involvesanything out in the sun and just
the therapy of, like you said,walking around and being able to
(20:20):
be up in your head because yourfeet are just taking you where
they go.
Yeah, exactly.
Preston (20:26):
Yeah, I think if, maybe by the 75 hard book, cause it's
So much of what the, it's not afitness challenge and that's he
emphasizes that on the, causehe's got like a dedicated
podcast to the program of 75hard like an episode and then an
(20:47):
episode dedicated to the livehard.
And it's it's, yes, it'stechnically a fitness challenge
to some aspect that you're goingto get more fit, but it's the
whole point of the program is tobuild mental toughness.
And Yeah.
Yeah.
A side effect of that is the,getting more healthy and all
that.
And that's, I think what is loston, because of like the
(21:09):
Instagram world and the waypeople like tag it online, it
can very easily just become thisoh, make your body look better
challenge type of a thing.
And it does, and it will, butthat's not the sort of end goal
of what his.
Michael (21:19):
Yeah, exactly.
It's not the end goal.
Preston (21:21):
It goes to what we're talking about today, like that
closing the gap, like beingmentally strong.
Michael (21:28):
Yeah.
That's great.
I think that's a good way towrap the show.
Ultimately there's a couple ofdifferent things that we're
talking about here to ways toclose the gap.
And the first one that I broughtup was reframing some of The
stress that we're experiencingin life.
And it's not to say thatnegative stress doesn't exist
just coming out of some episodeswhere we talked about anxiety
(21:49):
and stressful situations in thecase of our interview with Brad,
where there's some social dramaor whatever it may be, there are
true negative stress situations.
Let's avoid those.
But then.
Totally.
Also recognize that the stressin your life also could be
positive because it could bethat tension.
That's you making efforts to getto that next level.
(22:09):
I certainly have felt that way.
And I think Preston with kickingoff another, effort at 75 hard,
I feel coming into it and youdoing it for yourself, not for
other people, not for socialmedia, that's a really cool
aspect of it.
And I think it's going to bevery helpful for you and also
closing the gap, especially thestuff that you were talking
(22:31):
about with just doing planningfor Broadway.
That's super exciting.
Hope the listeners also canthink about something in their
life in a similar way, whetherit's doing another 75 day
challenge or just assessingwhere your mindset's at and
seeing if, are you becoming moreresilient mentally to Preston's
point?
(22:51):
Are you building up that mentaltoughness or are you starting to
just take a step farther awayfrom what your dreams are by.
Not taking action.
Preston (23:03):
Go out there and start something today.
That's right.
What did you do this morning fora workout?
I did a kettlebell leg workout.
Nice.
So second leg workout, which islike, yeah, because I'm I was
following like in his, in Andy'sbook, he goes through what he
would do during his work and hewould do weights every day and
(23:25):
then some kind of cardio in theafternoon outside.
And so he would do it was likeshoulders, shoulders, back legs.
Arms.
What is the other one?
It was like four things and thentwo leg days a week and just,
and then rotate.
So it's cause leg day sucks.
Like when I did it on Wednesday,I did one on Wednesday and like
(23:47):
Thursday and Friday, I've justbeen a fricking mess.
And so this morning it was like,here we go again.
It was rough.
Like I was having a hard time.
Keep up with my keeping up withmy girl.
But in two weeks, like my legsare going to be fucking tree
trunks, so it's like.
I just don't, I'm not going toskip leg day.
It's just going to happen twicea week.
And that's going to be that.
And and to your
Michael (24:10):
point about being on stage and feeling more
comfortable and not having yourknees hurt there's so much more
important.
I'm building out that like incore strength.
So totally.
Yeah.
That's where I was just likethinking about.
75 hard again, it's just that'sa really good way for you to
help close the gap.
So yeah, super cool, man.
Preston (24:32):
Yeah, but we'll get there That's right.
Episode 53.
I'll see you next week in thebooks.
Hell yeah.
Everybody have a great week.
And if you get into anyshenanigans on a St.
Patrick's day, get an Uber.
We'll see you next time.
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