April 1, 2024 • 44 mins
Episode 56 re-introduces Brad Dawson as a co-host to the Reclaiming Man podcast crew and Preston, Michael and Brad discuss the role of patience and how to build it!
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Preston (00:01):
All right.
Welcome to episode 56 of theReclaiming Man podcast.
I am one of your hosts, Preston,the Southern Canuck Radomski.
And like always, I have Michaelor Don Miguel, the mastermind,
with me, and we have now I'm notreturning as a guest, but as a
kind of a recurring co host withus, we got I don't know, what
(00:25):
are we going to call you, BradLieutenant Dawson, or?
What are we, going to go withfor your little nickname there,
bud?
Brad (00:32):
I can't nickname myself.
That's on you, man.
Yeah, we like Lieutenant.
I like Lieutenant.
I like the reference toLieutenant Danko.
Michael (00:38):
As long as Brad's comfortable with that.
Brad (00:40):
Yep, I've got little Super Trooper Daisy Duke shorts on
right now.
But you can't say it.
Preston (00:46):
Good.
You gotta get a tattoo on yourthigh, I think, now.
If you're going to be wearingthose.
Brad (00:52):
Meow.
Preston (00:52):
Yeah.
Okay.
Welcome, Brad.
Brad (00:57):
Oh, man.
Honored.
When you guys reached out to meabout this, I was like, yes.
Hell yeah.
Because I love everything thatReclaiming Man, stands for and I
just love being on the show andI just want to see where we can
take it and I'm excited to bewith you guys and love it.
(01:20):
You know, love it.
The more Preston I can get in mylife, the better.
Preston (01:24):
I
Brad (01:25):
agree with that
Preston (01:25):
sentiment.
Yeah.
More podcast, less polo, as Bradwould probably say.
Brad (01:31):
I feel kind of bad about that.
No, I get it.
Harsh.
Was I too harsh?
No.
And then I found myself drivingdown the road and I'm like,
looking at my phone and I foundme like self like missing your
polos a little.
Michael (01:46):
That's I feel the exact same way.
We had a little bit of adivergence this year.
Our polo volume went down as faras not the sound level, but the
frequency of our polos.
And, it's a nice to, It's niceto have the thoughts from
Preston when he's driving aroundand doing the thing because I
feel like you always have somegood stuff that you're listening
(02:08):
to and some good insights toshare and plus it's just, it's
really easy to take advantage ofsomebody else's momentum
sometimes like Preston crushingon stuff and I'm like, I got to
get, I got to get back in gearhere.
Well, and that's a real bad
Brad (02:23):
His nickname is pinky because, and I always, I had to
hear Brendan say this on themicrophone when we were playing
a show, he's cause he always hascrazy ideas, you in the brain.
And I love that about you.
I love that about Prestonbecause he thinks a lot like I
do, and I think that's weird forme to encounter somebody else
who is a visionary and adreamer.
(02:43):
When I see that mirrored, I'mjust like, I don't know what to
do, you because that's usuallyme.
Preston (02:49):
Yeah.
Well, it's well, let's go withit.
Let's make these dreams cometrue.
Exactly.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I dothink that, I know that because
I'm out on the road fucking withmy thoughts all the time that I
do overwhelm y'all sometimes andI have so much goddamn dead time
throughout the day where I knowyou like, like your job is like
you're playing drums like allday and it's like you can't polo
(03:11):
while you're playing drums thenyou have 20 minutes to drive
where it's like I need to likedecompress and it's Okay.
And here's Preston with anothercrazy idea.
Michael (03:20):
I mean, although to be fair and to interject, I would
occasionally like a drummingpolo.
That'd be really pretty sweet.
Brad (03:27):
Didn't I give you guys one?
No,
Michael (03:29):
you
Preston (03:29):
sent one to the rodeo.
You
Michael (03:30):
got to send one to Michael too.
Okay, I'll
Brad (03:31):
do one to Michael.
Michael (03:32):
Yeah, I did.
Dude, I love drum cams.
Brad (03:35):
They were the one that maybe I'll just set it up on a
polo.
I'll just get my board.
Michael (03:40):
Do it.
Brad (03:42):
All right.
Because there was a night whenthey were giving us, they never
do this on Broadway.
Okay.
They never go one more song, onemore song.
And for whatever reason, theywere one more songing us and it
was wild.
And we couldn't do another song.
And was it the
Preston (03:56):
last shift of the night?
And the bartender's no, we'regoing home.
Brad (03:59):
Yeah.
Nobody really wants to stay anylonger.
We've been there for hours.
We've made all the money.
This is we don't want to playanother song, dude.
It's so much different if youdid an original show or
whatever.
Yeah, you would love that.
It made me feel good.
Michael (04:12):
Yeah.
Brad (04:13):
But yeah, I think I sent you the polo of that, or I tried
to.
Preston (04:19):
Yeah, and I didn't quite know what was going on.
I'll watch it again now knowingthat there's that context.
I think it was
Brad (04:24):
the crowd doing, and that's rare on Broadway.
I feel like I haven'tencountered that, but like once
or twice.
Yeah, on
Preston (04:30):
Sunday they were almost just sitting cross armed saying
no more songs.
That was a weird, that was aweird crowd, man.
It was a weird crowd, but theywere good for a while.
Then they got kind of slumpy andthen like they roared the last
two songs.
Like the young kids startedcoming in.
It was like, Oh, well, wherewere you guys?
But yeah,
Brad (04:50):
you gotta just be down for whatever down there.
Like you never know.
It'll be like slamming or it'llbe dead or it'll be weird.
And the crowd will like, justnot want to engage at all or
whatever.
But yeah, it was good.
Enough about that.
Preston (05:03):
I had a great time either way, so
Brad (05:05):
Well, we might be playing again Sunday.
I might have to send you guys amessage to see if you can play
Sunday, cause my other two bandsI got on are like, can't do it.
So we might be playing againthis Sunday.
Preston (05:13):
Dude, I'm If I figure it out tomorrow, I'm Well,
Sunday's Easter, huh?
That's why.
We got to work, we got to work.
Brad (05:23):
Yeah, I don't, holidays are out the window for me, man.
Preston (05:26):
I can do Easter in the morning.
Let's fucking go.
Brad (05:31):
Well, fair enough.
Preston (05:32):
A bit rough.
Anyway, yeah.
Well,
Brad (05:34):
what's going on with you, Michael?
How's the, you've been sleepdeprived a little bit, buddy.
What's going on?
Preston (05:39):
Well, to Michael, like one night he just fucking went
crushing it and pulled an allnighter and did super like
numbers.
And then what did you do lastnight at dinner?
You just had 10 cups of coffeewhile chatting and then got
home.
It was like, well, I guess thatwas a bad idea.
Michael (05:54):
Yeah.
Well, I made some, I made thefatal comment.
I was like, I feel like I'vedeveloped an immunity to
caffeine.
And the waiter's Great.
Great.
And he's just Oh, I'm sorry.
I haven't kept your coffee top.
And I was like, dude, I've had10 cups of coffee.
You've fed me way too muchcoffee.
I was there from six 15 untilnine, nine 30.
It was late.
(06:15):
We were there and it wasanyways, it's a good piece
though, as far as a lessonlearned as far as like the
requirement of rest, but alsowhat you can do.
When you put your mind to it,because I just said, I'm not
going to stop until I get thisstuff done.
I can sacrifice one night ofsleep to alleviate and reduce my
level of anxiety a bit, becausethere's just stuff that was
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stacking up and then checkingstuff off.
It feels so good.
And getting back to a pointwhere you feel like, you're in
front of things instead ofalways just reacting was huge.
So that's all I'll say aboutthat.
But I think we should dive intoit's actually a pretty good,
Transition into tonight's topicfor reclaiming mind, which
(06:59):
tonight we're going to discusspatients a little bit and the
power of patients when it comesto just, I think overall mental
health with clarity.
I wanted to start on this onewith a quote from Joe Dispenza,
which, I mean, we haven't talkedabout him in a while.
(07:19):
I do a lot of guided meditationswith Dr.
Joe Dispenza.
So.
Definitely recommend taking alisten if you haven't yet, Brad,
but he says that the best way topredict your future is to create
it, not from the known, but fromthe unknown, which takes
patience and a deep trust in theunseen forces that shape
reality.
And I mean, I think that's, Itook notes on it, so it's
(07:42):
probably not the exact quote butI was looking through and I was
like trying to find somethingthat was relevant.
And when I think about why was Istaying up, it was like, well,
based on the past few weeks, Iwas sort of in this predictable
pattern of every day going backinto what wasn't done from the
day before.
(08:03):
So I knew this, right?
I knew that it was undone.
It was incomplete.
And I was living in this stateof basically catch up, And so
everything I was doing wasdefined by what already happened
in the past and things that Ihadn't done yet to account for
that.
And so getting out of that itoften is something where it does
take time, it does takepatience, but when you do it,
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you're then no longer living inthe state where you're governed
by what's happened the pastweek.
You now are able to startcreating your future based on
the fact that today, I don'thave an unending list of things
to do, and therefore, I get tochoose.
I get to build, I get to createwhat my future looks like.
And, Patience has been somethingthat I've always struggled with.
(08:52):
I think from a very young age,and so that's, Yeah.
Topic is your is just chattingabout patients and just
practical ways, things thatwe've done or ways that it's
been helpful for us or for me, Iwanted to just touch a little
bit on meditation andjournaling.
And, so you can dive in withanything that you guys think is
(09:15):
as relevant there.
But,
Brad (09:19):
I can't help, but think about like when I was a kid with
patients, I think it still ringsin my head.
And I just think of a parentsaying to me.
Well, you just gotta be patientand I remember hating that word.
I was like, well, I want it now.
Yeah.
I wanted it now, and I stillwant it now.
I mean, who doesn't?
(09:40):
I mean, who would rather notwait?
Our whole world is, revolvesaround convenience, but you
start to learn when you getolder that sometimes what comes
quick, goes quick.
And, I was thinking aboutpatients and I, kind of thought,
I've been thinking about thissince I asked you guys about it.
I'm like, oh, what would Irolling some ideas around and I
(10:01):
thought about, maybe there's twokinds of patients, right?
There's this one that you areforced to wait, and I just came
up with this, but, and there'sthis other one where it's you
have an unactive patient.
It's an unactive patience, likeyou're not doing anything to
move towards a goal.
(10:22):
So now when I think aboutpatience, I think about, well,
I'm taking action in some formin my life, and now I'm waiting
for the outcome, I'm waiting forthe result.
And so, I'm lucky enough nowwhere I've found what I love to
do.
I've gotten sober, I'm fairlysuccessful and I'm really proud
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of that.
And so I have plenty to do.
So what I do is oftentimes Ijust kind of consume myself with
action.
So I'm just always takingaction.
And so now I'm building on that.
And guess what?
These things that are paying meback are just also kind of
rolling in.
But it's from that thing that Idid three months ago, the thing
that I'm working on today mightnot pay off until Three months
(11:06):
from now or a year from now orwhatever big larger goal.
I'm working towards, and so Ithink now I understand patients
a little bit differently whereI'm I know that it'll pay off in
some way or another And so Ijust kind of keep working Yeah,
Michael (11:25):
I absolutely agree with that.
And that's where talking aboutpredicting your future.
It's well, when you're takingaction towards something, even
if it's not the exact perfectplan or the exact thing that's
going to get you to complete.
Financial freedom when it comesto debt or in the case of our
minds, like the ability toovercome some of our own
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limiting beliefs or things thathave held us back in the past.
It's like when we're on thepath, even if it's small
progress, it's, I think it'smore recently I heard in an
AdMilat podcast with InkyJohnson about, just how much
everything in this world isinstant gratification.
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We've been training ourselvesnow for the past 10, 15 years to
have smaller and smaller amountof time to wait to get the
results that we want.
And that's really, I think,hindered our ability to, to
realize more that this successjourney that we're on.
In the process itself, ofcourse, that patience is so much
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more almost important thananything else.
I think is recognizing that assoon as you get on the path
whether it's through a programlike 75 hard day one you're not
going to date day one through10, you're not going to see this
massive transformation.
But by day 75, you're going toexperience a pretty radical
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transformation in your body, andin your mind, and in all these
other things.
And then if you persist, when wepersist beyond those initial few
months, that's when those thingsreally start to get ingrained.
And I think we start to feel theacceleration.
So it's just a, Yeah.
Interesting.
Pretty interesting.
(13:17):
Yeah.
It's like the thought of delayedgratification is something that
none of us want to participatein,
Preston (13:28):
Upfront or willingly, but it is one of those things
that when you sort of latch onand give into it.
It's just extremely beneficialin the long run because you
either, well, like you'vementioned with a 75 hard
program, it's like you're or anykind of weight loss or just
getting healthy.
(13:48):
It's like you're, you didn't get30 pounds overweight.
In a day or a month, it tooktime.
Yeah.
Michael (13:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think that's the same whenI mentioned meditation a little
bit earlier and I think that'sone of the best ways to
cultivate more patience is tosit and literally do nothing
except for focusing on yourthoughts.
And letting those observingthose thoughts, not focusing on
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physically what you have to donext or some scheduled event
that you're supposed to attendand you get out of the, you get
out of that sort of cravinginstant gratification mode
because you're expecting that inthat meditation, you're going to
diverge away from that instantgratification mindset and more
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towards something that ispatience and just Waiting and
sitting in a state of,mindfulness or so many different
ways that they, you canmeditate, obviously, but I think
that's one of the, best wayswhere I've experienced a good,
sense of peace with the lack of,or what feels like in some
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cases, the lack of progress inother areas is to meditate on
where I'm at and then What theto that Joe defends this quote
what is the future I want tocreate?
Because there really is anynumber of sort of infinite
possibilities for the futuresthat we can create, based on our
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decisions.
And are we going to be patient?
Are we going to be persistent?
And are we going to work hardenough to, to realize some of
those things.
Brad (15:37):
Yeah.
I think patience is really a,it's really a spiritual idea or
a spiritual principle too.
I mean, I don't know.
There's another quote that weall know it's good things come
to those who wait.
Yeah.
And I think that as profound asthat statement is, if you'd dive
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into that, the, I've been tryingto teach my son that, that
putting in work at a sport orsomething, you're not always
going to see the result.
And going back to what you saidabout.
It's a great example, like youdon't always see the growth in
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yourself.
And it's.
It can be tough because you justdon't in this material realm
that we live in, it's like,where's the growth, when am I
going to when am I going to getmine?
I remember saying this to mysponsor early in recovery.
I was like, Oh, everybody's gotall this stuff and they're all
successful.
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I'm like, when am I going to getmine?
And he's you already got yours.
I was like, Oh man, like really,and I think we just don't
recognize Oftentimes, theresult, like the lagging
Michael (16:55):
Yeah, that's exactly it.
Because you think about theopposite of patients,
inpatients, obviously, well,self evident, but what are the
byproducts of inpatientsgenerally from an emotional
mental state?
Usually it's frustration.
Frustration leads to depression.
To anger leads you.
I mean, I'm second to go to Yodaon this leads to hate,
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suffering.
No that's a Yoda quote, but,
Brad (17:21):
he was wise, man.
Michael (17:23):
No, it's the truth though.
It takes you on this path of.
Potentially outcomes and actionsthat are completely against what
you want to accomplish, whetherit's the way that you respond to
something that your spouse oryour kid says to you, or the way
that you respond to somethingprofessionally, or in your.
In work, like that's, I think somany times I'm wanting to try to
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push to accelerate things thatdon't need to be accelerated.
Sure.
And I thought about that todayI'm driving and weather's just
garbage.
And my immediate thought was, asI was backing out of the
driveway, I'm like, I'm not in ahurry.
I'm going to drive slowly.
When you were on your way home,I'm like, yeah, just take your
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time.
There's no what are we reallygoing to gain from an extra five
minutes or having this a littlebit earlier?
So it's just been pressing onme.
I think really a lot latelybecause I've shared in some of
our recent podcasts, how I feltlike, Oh, the beginning of this
year has been a struggle.
I'm like, that's okay.
Just be patient with continuingto do the right things.
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Impressing was.
I think really helpful in thepast few weeks and just getting
me back into the right mindsetof patients and some of the
other stuff I was listening to,but he was more, I think
practical about it.
Just, you can do this.
Just get up at 5.
00 AM, do the workout, do thethings that you know you gotta
do start off your day.
Right.
(18:51):
And
Brad (18:52):
Well, that's easy to say, right?
It's so easy to say.
It's so easy to say that.
And then you look in your ownlife.
And right now I just got backinto the gym and I've come up
with a whole new workout.
That's going to fit some of thisstrain that was happening with
my wrists from drumming.
And the whole reason I kind ofquit working out is I was having
a wrist issues, And I let thatgo a little too long because it
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was just easy.
Oh, I can't work out because mywrist.
Michael (19:17):
Yeah, it's almost impossible.
Don't you think it's almostimpossible to talk about
patience and not be kind oftalking about both mind and
body?
I know it's like thistechnically this week's
Reclaiming Mind, but I thinkit's if you don't have a strong
body, your mind's probably notgoing to be strong.
If your mind's not strong, yourbody's probably not going to be.
So it's it's almost impossibleto have the conversation to your
(19:38):
point Brad.
Not talking about the bodybecause that's where one of
those areas where patience isabsolutely key
Brad (19:45):
when it's all and it's all connected and let's just face
it.
Patience is a mental toughness.
And what do you need fromphysical?
What do you need from a workout?
You need mental toughness.
What do you need?
Anything?
And what do you need inanything?
You need mental toughness andsometimes that's just being
aware of it.
Yeah.
I think is a big is the big steptowards achieving this stuff for
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anybody listening.
That's like I was telling youguys when we were chatting i'm
like, hey, you know Can someoneapply these things that we talk
about, I'm thinking aboutsomebody listening to this and
they're like man It's such along way for me to go to be
where these guys are at Maybe Ihad to think about that in
recovery when i'm gonna sponsora guy He's like man I'm, just
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trying to get this probation Offmy back and my wife off my back
and i'm trying to get you know,all this stuff You That I need
to go away
Michael (20:35):
right
Brad (20:35):
now, I got to tell him, Hey just show up just show up
the next day.
How do I convince someone thatlike just showing up and not
drinking today is like often thebest advice I give the new guy
and a lot of times that's justto see if he can do it.
Like we're not gonna kill youdude for a week to just not
worry about the probationThey're not coming to get you
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your wife's already mad at you.
You're already out of the houseSo why don't you just why don't
you just show up to a meetingand do these simple things?
Michael (21:05):
Yeah,
Brad (21:06):
and then wait for God to work, right and then let God
work with it And that's thattrust and that patience you got
to have if you have any faith atall And see, now I've built a
track record so I can saythrough my experience that when
I've waited and I put in thework, it doesn't always work out
the way I thought, but all thethings I wanted happened.
Michael (21:25):
Yeah.
I
Brad (21:26):
quit drinking, the law was off of me, everyone in my family
is good with me again thosethings fix themselves so much
faster than I would havethought, and then here I am
going, well, now I want thehouse, and I want the car, and I
want the job, and I want allthese things, so, patience is
so, I mean, it is so, Importantof like practice and I think
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meditation is great for it I gota my morning meditations need to
really step up and I am NOTperfect by any means and I don't
I definitely don't execute thisthing perfectly, but
Michael (21:58):
sure.
Yeah.
Well with you on that by nomeans have a 100 percent Record
when it comes to meditation, Ijust find that when I
incorporate that in and in thepast I really was just like Last
year, I was really, I think,efficient and good at habit
stacking.
So I was like, Oh, I'm going todo a sauna after the workout.
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And in that sauna, I'm going todo a meditation because it's
just as part of the routine andthen go to the cold plunge, et
cetera.
So there was just like thatelement of.
As much as possible, justturning that into a habit, the
meditation piece, and, again,when you're saying like, you
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have to have the track record inorder to kind of be effective in
that role, have credibility asthe way that I look at it.
And then I just was thinkingabout patients.
And discipline and how relatedthose two concepts are like
discipline.
You're saying, Hey, I'm going todo something for a long time
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that or indefinitely that I knowwill eventually have some really
positive outcomes.
And in the case of how we'vetalked about it from a
reclaiming mind perspective,it's like, how do we get to
those ideal States?
Well, it's definitely.
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A combination of, patience, and,discipline and practicing the
right types of things and beingmore aware of what our thoughts
are.
And when we have those impatientmoments, like that's what do you
do when you're impatient, whenyou're frustrated and how do you
pull yourself out of that stateand, remind yourself a big
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picture of the time equation.
And I don't know, just likethings that are going to, you're
breathing things that'll slowyou down and get you back to the
point where it's okay.
Brad (23:50):
That brings me to how do you start?
So let's just say you're brandnew to this and you found our
podcast and you're maybe you'restruggling and you're hearing
about patients and, it's justlike, how am I supposed to have
it paid?
Where do we start with patients?
Like where, how does that lookwhen you have none, Like what's
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the first step?
To patients I don't know.
I'm asking you guys too, becauseI'm like, yeah, no, that's a
good question.
It's a
Preston (24:26):
good, I mean would, be something like just sitting by
yourself for one minute insilence?
Be like, An interesting way tomaybe start to just be in your
head like just for one minute.
Just set a timer on your phone,just in a quiet room in your
house or wherever, in your car.
Yeah, what I've been working onin
Michael (24:46):
the car, I think is the best place for most people to
start I would argue is in thecar, because everybody has to
drive generally.
And I asked myself thisquestion, if I speed right now,
how much will that impact, likethe time that I actually get to.
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X, whether it's I'm driving tothe gas station, the grocery
store to work, whatever it is ifI speed, how much will time will
that actually get me?
And so then I'm like, but I canbe patient for an extra few
minutes and just drive the speedlimit probably takes people off.
And by the speed limit, I'mtalking about plus, plus or
minus.
Not minus plus 3 to 5 miles perhour.
(25:29):
That's my, my, my definition ofthe speed limit.
Let's be honest here, guys.
But I mean, in a residentialneighborhood.
No, I'm driving underneath thespeed limit.
I'm going to, I'm going to coastthrough this neighborhood at 20
miles an hour at the topsbecause.
I can be a little extra patient.
So hopefully it gives me anextra split second to react.
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If some kid runs out in thestreet or whatever.
But I think in the car is agreat place because there's a
lot of people who try yourpatients in the car and their
drivers that will inflame reallyquickly, the sense of anger and
self righteousness.
Like what the hell is this guydoing?
He cut me off and whatever itis, or you're in traffic and.
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I think it's a great place tostart.
Yeah.
Brad (26:13):
I'm just going to say the first thing you should do is
have children.
Preston (26:18):
That might not have your patients that will test
your patients.
Brad (26:21):
Just have children.
And then you'll be, you'llfigure patients out.
Preston (26:25):
No,
Brad (26:27):
don't do that.
Don't just go have kids becauseyou want to learn spiritual
ideas through them, but
Preston (26:32):
they are great teachers of patients though.
I mean, you bring that up andit's funny to joke about that.
They try our patients and allthat, but it's like, what?
They are like, I mean, I've lostmy patience many times with my
children and I've done extremelywell with them many times too.
And it's there are both greatlearning experiences when you
kind of are that way with yourkids.
(26:53):
I mean, you guys are both dadslike you've had moments that you
like can brag about and momentsthat it's fuck, I'm not going to
talk about that shit ever again.
That was not handled well,
Brad (27:03):
but I think I was thinking about the times where I had to
be the most patient, my past isriddled with quite a few.
And I'm not shy to talk aboutthat in my as a reason I got
sober and, jail will teach yousome patience boy.
I mean, but I think about, but I
Michael (27:24):
think also not recommended, right?
I mean no,
Brad (27:28):
like I've done all I've gone on ballot, all the hard
ways to learn.
I mean, just a hard head.
And I've been that way my wholelife, but.
I've obviously changed a lot butI think about those times and
there was a time where I did themost time that I'd ever done And
it got to a point where I wasactually some of the best like
(27:48):
It's crazy to say this.
I think I probably said this onmy one of my other podcasts is
like I had the most clarity andI felt the most spiritually
connected this one particulartime I was arrested because I
was going to bible study everyweek and I had a routine and It
was like I was able to do it Iwas able to do it and I, all
(28:12):
those other distractions werelike out of my life and I look
back on it and I'm like, man, soI can almost recreate that and
learn from that and go sometimesI have to simplify my life if I
can simplify my life and getfocused on what the things that
are that really matter, patientswill come from peace.
So if I can get some peace, andI can get some serenity in my
(28:35):
life, then I find patience isn'tas hard, because I'm just okay.
I find myself just being moreokay, and patience will come a
little more natural, and I don'thave to force it.
It's not as much of a struggle.
I'm the most impatient person.
I'm far from the person that'syeah, I got all the patience in
the world.
No, that's not me.
Right.
I try not to tell myself thattoday, right?
(28:56):
It's just, I say that becauseit's like my nature tends to be
of that in my personality.
And so that helps me to knowwhen I get into situations, if I
can plan ahead, Hey, I'm goingto be sitting here for a long
time.
If I'm on a flight, I get reallyimpatient when I fly.
And I like, I got to havecertain movies downloaded or
certain types of shows and abook or something like I have to
(29:16):
just plan.
Michael (29:18):
Oh, that's another great place to practice patience
though.
I mean, yeah, think about whenyou're loading a plane, like
everyone just lines up and waitsin a line and.
I don't know who the quotesattributed to, but talking about
patients, it's not wait, it'snot just waiting.
Right.
It's just how you act whileyou're waiting.
So some people are just like,you can tell they're visibly
upset and frustrated andstressed out about having to
(29:41):
wait to board that plane.
And so the one thing that I doto like to practice patients is
I just.
Don't board the plane, no matterwhat group I'm in, I just wait
and I'm sure someone be like,Oh, you're going to lose your
overhead spot space or whatever.
I'm like, I don't bring a carryon.
So I don't care.
I just sit and wait until it'slike the last call.
(30:03):
And then I walk down the jetwayand I'm sure people well, it
doesn't cause anybody anxiety.
I'm sure except for yeah.
For most people,
Brad (30:11):
except for the middle seat, you have to take, you just
ruin their hopes.
You ruin their hopes of having amiddle seat open.
Yeah.
You gotta be that guy.
Hey yeah.
I'm gonna go ahead and takethat.
Michael (30:23):
I like to think that I ruin their hopes a little bit
and then they're like, yeah, buthe's pretty skinny, so at least
it's not the worst.
Could be.
Brad (30:33):
You know what I do sit there.
I try to talk I try to talk topeople.
Like I'm such an extrovertthough.
And if I'm sitting in a linewith somebody and I'm staying in
a line, I remember the lastflight I went to Vegas on to go
play with Mike and I was likestanding there and I was like,
see 25 because I didn't check inand per usual, I always forget
(30:54):
to check in and I'm like, dangit.
And I'm sitting there and Ijust, can't help myself and I
just start making a joke.
I like made a joke about beinglike, well, we're the hated
people that are going to takethe middle seats and everybody's
laughing and I'm That's like mycoping mechanism is I just make
a joke, like talk to people,make a joke, everyone starts
(31:15):
laughing and then before youknow it.
We're on the plane and it's notso bad.
Well,
Michael (31:20):
that's exactly it.
So that's what I was justtalking about.
How you act when you're waiting.
If you can turn that intolightness and into something
that makes people laugh all of asudden that stress that people
probably at this point havehabitually subconsciously been
carrying with them whenever theyhave to wait in line for
anything, you immediatelydiffuse some of that.
(31:40):
So that's pretty good.
Brad (31:42):
I know Michael, you've had experience with it too, but I
just, you know me, I just alwayswill refer back to AA cause it
changed my life, but there's areally famous quote and I'm
going to try to just look it upbecause I don't want to get it
wrong.
And it's.
Patience I think was reallyconnected to acceptance, right?
(32:04):
And that is another principlethat is that I feel like we need
to possess to Grow for growthlike we've got to practice
acceptance And it saysacceptance.
It's page 417 from the big bookvalcox anonymous Acceptance is
the answer to all my problemstoday when I am disturbed It is
because I find some personsomeplace something or situation
(32:27):
some fact You Of my life,unacceptable to me.
And I can find no serenity untilI accept that person, place,
thing, or situation as beingexactly the way it is supposed
to be at this moment.
Nothing, absolutely nothinghappens in God's world by
mistake.
Until I could accept myalcoholism, I could not stay
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sober unless I accept my lifecompletely on life's terms.
I cannot be happy.
I need to concentrate not somuch on what needs to be changed
in the world and those around meas on what needs to be changed
in me, my attitudes, and myperception.
Deep.
Yeah.
I feel like that could beanother podcast.
I'm just gonna drop themicrophone right there.
(33:08):
Right, right.
We'll just marinate on that, butman, that's such a good line.
That is.
Oh, yeah.
Michael (33:16):
Yeah, I totally agree.
And I feel like we're going tohave to dive into that too.
And then patience part two.
So y'all are going to have to bepatient and wait for the next
episode.
That's right.
All right.
You're
Brad (33:25):
going to have to wait for that.
Michael (33:27):
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Preston, current events.
Brad (33:32):
Let's talk about this boat that ran into the bridge.
I saw that coming.
I was like, I hope he's goingto, well, not I hope.
I wonder
Preston (33:39):
if he's going to talk about that.
I mean, it's just like right nowit's today is what?
March 25th, 26.
Brad (33:48):
What I know.
Well, Preston you recap forpeople.
If they don't know.
Preston (33:51):
Well, yeah, if you don't know like this.
Was it a cargo liner ship orsomething like that?
Like one of those big ships thathaul all like the semi truck
cargo things, leaving Baltimore.
And, from what looks like on thevideo, it's coming out of its,
out of port or whatever.
Lights go off I don't know if itloses power, and sort of ends up
(34:14):
steering like a hard almost 90degree angle and just drives
right into this bridge and takesthe whole thing out.
It's fascinating, Vito, towatch.
I've seen a few angles of it.
Oh, I mean,
Brad (34:23):
the bridge comes down like it's made of toothpicks.
Preston (34:26):
Yeah, well, I mean, that thing's got a way you'd
think how many tons that shipis.
It's like that bridge's done nochance.
But no.
Can you imagine?
Brad (34:35):
Oh, go ahead.
Sorry.
Preston (34:37):
No, go ahead.
Brad (34:37):
I was just gonna say, can you imagine driving on the
bridge?
I mean, cars are passing.
I'm watching it going.
Preston (34:41):
Oh, yeah.
Some went into the river or thebay or whatever, right?
Oh, well, yeah, dude.
I mean, that water that'sBaltimore.
Six
Michael (34:47):
people.
Yeah.
Water, freezer.
Six people that are part of aroad construction crew.
Oof.
Preston (34:53):
Jeez.
Michael (34:53):
Brutal.
Preston (34:55):
But it's just weird.
I've been hearing all theseconspiracies about it being a
potential cyber attack.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, it could just be, Imean, I don't know if it's like
what you would call user error,pilot error, captain error,
because I mean, it's just, itjust seems so like, how did they
not like the amount of mom, Iguess you'd have to have that
(35:20):
much momentum to get the thinggoing out of the Harbor, but
Brad (35:25):
They take, a lot from no one being my dad was a boat
captain, not on big ships likethat, but it takes a lot to
slow.
So, I mean, they got a plan forslowing down way ahead of time,
but
Preston (35:36):
does a ship like that not have a tug taking it out?
I guess maybe not.
Yeah,
Michael (35:43):
I think, yeah, you're right.
Some, do, but I think in thiscase it was under its own power.
And what I, read here is Theship lights flickered and it
veered off course before it hitthe bridge, but I don't
necessarily believe it becauseit's the news I'm just kidding.
Yeah, I mean you said put on thetinfoil hats and i'm just like
well Conspiracy, what's the wayto spin that?
(36:04):
Yeah, maybe this is just
Brad (36:05):
news They're gonna have a field day with it, of course
because it's an opportunity, but
Michael (36:10):
yeah I
Brad (36:11):
don't know what else to say on it.
I mean It does just kind of makeme think well, hey, man Anything
can happen at any given moment,and you could be driving along
that bridge and it could be you.
Yeah.
So,
Michael (36:23):
yeah,
Brad (36:24):
I don't know.
I, that's what I go to thinkingis like
Michael (36:26):
Yeah, kinda with you on that.
Things happen
Brad (36:28):
as safe as we feel like we are today and as fail safe, as
many fail safes as we have, andredundancies and things to avoid
stuff like this, I mean.
Michael (36:37):
Yeah, still less bridges in my future.
Yeah.
Brad (36:41):
Yeah.
Michael (36:41):
Right.
I actually was really close tothe I drove over a bridge that
collapsed in Minneapolis severalyears ago.
Gosh, 14 years ago, 15 yearsago, it was and 1 of our bridges
collapsed kind of out ofnowhere.
It wasn't a boat that hit it.
So, but thankfully I wasn't,yeah, thankfully I wasn't on it.
(37:04):
I didn't know too many.
I didn't know anyone who was onit.
So just wild.
But yeah.
Yeah, I definitely think thatwhen I was reading the brief
articles about it, I mean,they're pretty fortunate that
there were only eight totalpeople on the bridge when it was
hit.
Because that's actually not tomake light of it, but I mean,
(37:26):
that's could have been wayworse.
Brad (37:29):
Well, yeah, it happened at 1 30 in the morning or
something.
So, oh, yeah, that makes sense.
Which is from what I heard, Ithink if I don't know if I have
that correct or not, but I thinkit was at my life group actually
earlier.
Yeah, my guys from church andone of the, his buddies lived in
Baltimore and was driving andwas going to be, he was traffic
stopped because he was going tobe crossing the bridge.
(37:51):
Yeah.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
He was like, he said hisbrother, I mean, that's all he
really knew that his brother wasgoing to cross the bridge and
then traffic all stopped.
I don't know how far he was fromthe bridge, but wow.
That's crazy.
There's a, another not to segueif you guys aren't finished on
(38:13):
that, but no, that's, there'sanother current event that I
wanted to bring up.
I was listening to JordanPeterson's podcast today.
Get some inspiration fortonight, but I just clicked on
one that had nothing to do withanything that we're talking
about today, but I got hooked inbecause it's Jordan Peterson,
and I can't help but continue tolisten to him when he's.
(38:35):
On any of his episodes.
And he brought on this guy, Dr.
Brett Weinstein, and they werediscussing the migration crisis.
And what's happening at what'scalled the Darien gap.
You guys are familiar with theDarien gap?
Preston (38:52):
Sounds familiar.
I feel like I've heard it beenmentioned before, but I don't
know what it is.
Brad (38:56):
All new to me.
I'm often times sheltered fromI've sheltered myself from a lot
of news because I just, it'sjust depressing, or I don't know
if it's true.
Honest reporting anymore, butwith its joy jordan peterson.
I feel like I trust so He bringsthis guy on and they're talking
about the darien gap.
Well, did we lose michael?
Preston (39:17):
No, he's probably not doing something.
Maybe just okay So real
Brad (39:21):
quick the darien gap is this 60 mile stretch of terrain
Michael (39:29):
Huh
Brad (39:29):
in Through a jungle
Michael (39:32):
in
Brad (39:32):
panama and apparently all these organizations around the
world are You Kind of behind orthey're endorsing this migration
this mass migration,
Michael (39:43):
okay yeah, some of the
Brad (39:44):
migration groups are even like endorsing it and What's
happening is that all thesepeople are migrating and they're
not all just Panamanian or SouthAmerican they're Middle
Easterners.
They're Chinese people aremaking it to yes Panama so that
they can find this access intoultimately the Americas the
Western world or to you theUnited States
Michael (40:05):
yeah,
Brad (40:05):
and This path is treacherous.
Like not just to mentionphysically treacherous, it's 60
miles through a jungle, but itis a unmonitored, unregulated
sort of no man's land in Panama,where once you begin to take the
trip, if you can even track itphysically, you are raped or
(40:28):
robbed by cartels of any moneythat you have, and.
These other countries once youget through that say you get
through that and you're gonnahave to go through costa rica
Well,
Michael (40:39):
yeah
Brad (40:40):
where in the past the borders had all been controlled.
They're now just letting thempass which is A new thing these
borders were never Open topeople just passing through and
so there's a whole notherpodcast could be on this but I
just kind of want you guys tomaybe listen to that and it's
super interesting and just It'sinteresting because this guy has
(41:01):
he has more of a progressiveviewpoint than jordan does You
And so I love that about hisshow and these guys are really
in agreement on a lot of thehumanitarian issue that this
presents.
And sure.
I have a guy
Preston (41:15):
was a, he was a professor in Washington state or
Oregon like an extremelyprogressive school.
And he got he got fired for theyused to have this thing this
day, it was called day without.
It was like a day without blackpeople at school or something
like that.
To recognize, just to recognizethem.
(41:36):
And then one year the blackpeople were like, all right,
well now we're coming to schooland white people aren't allowed
at school.
And the professor was like,well, that doesn't make any
sense.
And he showed up and the wholeschool like protested him.
And it was a big, he was onRogan like years ago.
It was like this huge event thatwas like.
Wait, what's going on?
Like it was bonkers.
(41:57):
Bizarre.
Brad (41:59):
Yeah.
And I just, man, that podcastjust had me thinking
Michael (42:01):
and I haven't even gotten to take a listen because
yeah, I love his stuff sometimesis, I mean, candidly, sometimes
those long form conversations,they're hard for me to fit in
time wise, but every time I do,I find that they're so good.
So this one's good.
And this one's good
Brad (42:17):
because it's not.
Really about what he's usuallytalking about it doesn't have a
lot to do with psychology orsome of the, I mean, he talks
about a lot of different thingsI'm learning, but yeah, but it
just, I had no idea this wasgoing on.
Michael (42:34):
Well, I'm going to check it out.
Thanks for bringing it up..
Preston (42:36):
Well, thank you all for coming out for episode 56 and
for, I guess Brad's firstinaugural episode as an official
cohost with the boys and whetheryou're listening in the morning
or the evening on a Monday or aSunday, enjoy your weekend, you
(42:57):
want to.
You want to send a send off toanybody brad on your first
goodbye there to everybody
Brad (43:04):
first I want to thank my lord and savior jesus christ for
giving me the opportunity towalk the walk man now preach No,
but I just want to thank youguys for giving me an
opportunity.
I've really wanted to podcastand you guys have given me that
opportunity.
So here's you know, if you thinkabout I manifested it.
I look at it I really thoughtabout it.
(43:26):
I was like, I want a podcast.
I want to do this.
I thought about it for a yearand here I am.
So I want to thank you guys forbeing a part of that, that,
making this a reality for meand, yeah, I think look forward
to having some more greatconversation about what's going
on in the world and also aboutreclaiming.
(43:47):
Reclaiming man and what that allmeans I want to bring on some
really good guests.
And I think there'll be somepeople that I have in my circle
that since we're doing thisremotely, We might get, I got
some pretty cool people I've runinto in my life that I think, my
cousin did a bunch of time inprison and I just, I find that
there could be a lot of, justsuccessful musicians even, the
(44:11):
guys I was telling you aboutbefore Christians that I've
gotten to know and just a ton ofreally awesome people.
And I just think bringing theseideas and here and there.
Insight to what reclaiming manis will be super cool and maybe
even talking about somecontroversial stuff.
I was talking with Michael aboutthat, yeah.
So anyway, I'd say that maybe.
Definitely.
Yeah.
(44:31):
Yeah.
Let's touch on BA based on someof that stuff.
Anyways, I appreciate you guysand thanks for having me on the
show.
I look forward to the next one.
Michael (44:39):
Appreciate you too.
Thank.
All right, gentlemen.
Brad (44:44):
Sounds good.
We'll stop this.
Michael (44:45):
Wait,
All right.
Welcome to episode 56 of theReclaiming Man podcast.
I am one of your hosts, Preston,the Southern Canuck Radomski.
And like always, I have Michaelor Don Miguel, the mastermind,
with me, and we have now I'm notreturning as a guest, but as a
kind of a recurring co host withus, we got I don't know, what
(00:25):
are we going to call you, BradLieutenant Dawson, or?
What are we, going to go withfor your little nickname there,
bud?
Brad (00:32):
I can't nickname myself.
That's on you, man.
Yeah, we like Lieutenant.
I like Lieutenant.
I like the reference toLieutenant Danko.
Michael (00:38):
As long as Brad's comfortable with that.
Brad (00:40):
Yep, I've got little Super Trooper Daisy Duke shorts on
right now.
But you can't say it.
Preston (00:46):
Good.
You gotta get a tattoo on yourthigh, I think, now.
If you're going to be wearingthose.
Brad (00:52):
Meow.
Preston (00:52):
Yeah.
Okay.
Welcome, Brad.
Brad (00:57):
Oh, man.
Honored.
When you guys reached out to meabout this, I was like, yes.
Hell yeah.
Because I love everything thatReclaiming Man, stands for and I
just love being on the show andI just want to see where we can
take it and I'm excited to bewith you guys and love it.
(01:20):
You know, love it.
The more Preston I can get in mylife, the better.
Preston (01:24):
I
Brad (01:25):
agree with that
Preston (01:25):
sentiment.
Yeah.
More podcast, less polo, as Bradwould probably say.
Brad (01:31):
I feel kind of bad about that.
No, I get it.
Harsh.
Was I too harsh?
No.
And then I found myself drivingdown the road and I'm like,
looking at my phone and I foundme like self like missing your
polos a little.
Michael (01:46):
That's I feel the exact same way.
We had a little bit of adivergence this year.
Our polo volume went down as faras not the sound level, but the
frequency of our polos.
And, it's a nice to, It's niceto have the thoughts from
Preston when he's driving aroundand doing the thing because I
feel like you always have somegood stuff that you're listening
(02:08):
to and some good insights toshare and plus it's just, it's
really easy to take advantage ofsomebody else's momentum
sometimes like Preston crushingon stuff and I'm like, I got to
get, I got to get back in gearhere.
Well, and that's a real bad
Brad (02:23):
His nickname is pinky because, and I always, I had to
hear Brendan say this on themicrophone when we were playing
a show, he's cause he always hascrazy ideas, you in the brain.
And I love that about you.
I love that about Prestonbecause he thinks a lot like I
do, and I think that's weird forme to encounter somebody else
who is a visionary and adreamer.
(02:43):
When I see that mirrored, I'mjust like, I don't know what to
do, you because that's usuallyme.
Preston (02:49):
Yeah.
Well, it's well, let's go withit.
Let's make these dreams cometrue.
Exactly.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I dothink that, I know that because
I'm out on the road fucking withmy thoughts all the time that I
do overwhelm y'all sometimes andI have so much goddamn dead time
throughout the day where I knowyou like, like your job is like
you're playing drums like allday and it's like you can't polo
(03:11):
while you're playing drums thenyou have 20 minutes to drive
where it's like I need to likedecompress and it's Okay.
And here's Preston with anothercrazy idea.
Michael (03:20):
I mean, although to be fair and to interject, I would
occasionally like a drummingpolo.
That'd be really pretty sweet.
Brad (03:27):
Didn't I give you guys one?
No,
Michael (03:29):
you
Preston (03:29):
sent one to the rodeo.
You
Michael (03:30):
got to send one to Michael too.
Okay, I'll
Brad (03:31):
do one to Michael.
Michael (03:32):
Yeah, I did.
Dude, I love drum cams.
Brad (03:35):
They were the one that maybe I'll just set it up on a
polo.
I'll just get my board.
Michael (03:40):
Do it.
Brad (03:42):
All right.
Because there was a night whenthey were giving us, they never
do this on Broadway.
Okay.
They never go one more song, onemore song.
And for whatever reason, theywere one more songing us and it
was wild.
And we couldn't do another song.
And was it the
Preston (03:56):
last shift of the night?
And the bartender's no, we'regoing home.
Brad (03:59):
Yeah.
Nobody really wants to stay anylonger.
We've been there for hours.
We've made all the money.
This is we don't want to playanother song, dude.
It's so much different if youdid an original show or
whatever.
Yeah, you would love that.
It made me feel good.
Michael (04:12):
Yeah.
Brad (04:13):
But yeah, I think I sent you the polo of that, or I tried
to.
Preston (04:19):
Yeah, and I didn't quite know what was going on.
I'll watch it again now knowingthat there's that context.
I think it was
Brad (04:24):
the crowd doing, and that's rare on Broadway.
I feel like I haven'tencountered that, but like once
or twice.
Yeah, on
Preston (04:30):
Sunday they were almost just sitting cross armed saying
no more songs.
That was a weird, that was aweird crowd, man.
It was a weird crowd, but theywere good for a while.
Then they got kind of slumpy andthen like they roared the last
two songs.
Like the young kids startedcoming in.
It was like, Oh, well, wherewere you guys?
But yeah,
Brad (04:50):
you gotta just be down for whatever down there.
Like you never know.
It'll be like slamming or it'llbe dead or it'll be weird.
And the crowd will like, justnot want to engage at all or
whatever.
But yeah, it was good.
Enough about that.
Preston (05:03):
I had a great time either way, so
Brad (05:05):
Well, we might be playing again Sunday.
I might have to send you guys amessage to see if you can play
Sunday, cause my other two bandsI got on are like, can't do it.
So we might be playing againthis Sunday.
Preston (05:13):
Dude, I'm If I figure it out tomorrow, I'm Well,
Sunday's Easter, huh?
That's why.
We got to work, we got to work.
Brad (05:23):
Yeah, I don't, holidays are out the window for me, man.
Preston (05:26):
I can do Easter in the morning.
Let's fucking go.
Brad (05:31):
Well, fair enough.
Preston (05:32):
A bit rough.
Anyway, yeah.
Well,
Brad (05:34):
what's going on with you, Michael?
How's the, you've been sleepdeprived a little bit, buddy.
What's going on?
Preston (05:39):
Well, to Michael, like one night he just fucking went
crushing it and pulled an allnighter and did super like
numbers.
And then what did you do lastnight at dinner?
You just had 10 cups of coffeewhile chatting and then got
home.
It was like, well, I guess thatwas a bad idea.
Michael (05:54):
Yeah.
Well, I made some, I made thefatal comment.
I was like, I feel like I'vedeveloped an immunity to
caffeine.
And the waiter's Great.
Great.
And he's just Oh, I'm sorry.
I haven't kept your coffee top.
And I was like, dude, I've had10 cups of coffee.
You've fed me way too muchcoffee.
I was there from six 15 untilnine, nine 30.
It was late.
(06:15):
We were there and it wasanyways, it's a good piece
though, as far as a lessonlearned as far as like the
requirement of rest, but alsowhat you can do.
When you put your mind to it,because I just said, I'm not
going to stop until I get thisstuff done.
I can sacrifice one night ofsleep to alleviate and reduce my
level of anxiety a bit, becausethere's just stuff that was
(06:37):
stacking up and then checkingstuff off.
It feels so good.
And getting back to a pointwhere you feel like, you're in
front of things instead ofalways just reacting was huge.
So that's all I'll say aboutthat.
But I think we should dive intoit's actually a pretty good,
Transition into tonight's topicfor reclaiming mind, which
(06:59):
tonight we're going to discusspatients a little bit and the
power of patients when it comesto just, I think overall mental
health with clarity.
I wanted to start on this onewith a quote from Joe Dispenza,
which, I mean, we haven't talkedabout him in a while.
(07:19):
I do a lot of guided meditationswith Dr.
Joe Dispenza.
So.
Definitely recommend taking alisten if you haven't yet, Brad,
but he says that the best way topredict your future is to create
it, not from the known, but fromthe unknown, which takes
patience and a deep trust in theunseen forces that shape
reality.
And I mean, I think that's, Itook notes on it, so it's
(07:42):
probably not the exact quote butI was looking through and I was
like trying to find somethingthat was relevant.
And when I think about why was Istaying up, it was like, well,
based on the past few weeks, Iwas sort of in this predictable
pattern of every day going backinto what wasn't done from the
day before.
(08:03):
So I knew this, right?
I knew that it was undone.
It was incomplete.
And I was living in this stateof basically catch up, And so
everything I was doing wasdefined by what already happened
in the past and things that Ihadn't done yet to account for
that.
And so getting out of that itoften is something where it does
take time, it does takepatience, but when you do it,
(08:27):
you're then no longer living inthe state where you're governed
by what's happened the pastweek.
You now are able to startcreating your future based on
the fact that today, I don'thave an unending list of things
to do, and therefore, I get tochoose.
I get to build, I get to createwhat my future looks like.
And, Patience has been somethingthat I've always struggled with.
(08:52):
I think from a very young age,and so that's, Yeah.
Topic is your is just chattingabout patients and just
practical ways, things thatwe've done or ways that it's
been helpful for us or for me, Iwanted to just touch a little
bit on meditation andjournaling.
And, so you can dive in withanything that you guys think is
(09:15):
as relevant there.
But,
Brad (09:19):
I can't help, but think about like when I was a kid with
patients, I think it still ringsin my head.
And I just think of a parentsaying to me.
Well, you just gotta be patientand I remember hating that word.
I was like, well, I want it now.
Yeah.
I wanted it now, and I stillwant it now.
I mean, who doesn't?
(09:40):
I mean, who would rather notwait?
Our whole world is, revolvesaround convenience, but you
start to learn when you getolder that sometimes what comes
quick, goes quick.
And, I was thinking aboutpatients and I, kind of thought,
I've been thinking about thissince I asked you guys about it.
I'm like, oh, what would Irolling some ideas around and I
(10:01):
thought about, maybe there's twokinds of patients, right?
There's this one that you areforced to wait, and I just came
up with this, but, and there'sthis other one where it's you
have an unactive patient.
It's an unactive patience, likeyou're not doing anything to
move towards a goal.
(10:22):
So now when I think aboutpatience, I think about, well,
I'm taking action in some formin my life, and now I'm waiting
for the outcome, I'm waiting forthe result.
And so, I'm lucky enough nowwhere I've found what I love to
do.
I've gotten sober, I'm fairlysuccessful and I'm really proud
(10:44):
of that.
And so I have plenty to do.
So what I do is oftentimes Ijust kind of consume myself with
action.
So I'm just always takingaction.
And so now I'm building on that.
And guess what?
These things that are paying meback are just also kind of
rolling in.
But it's from that thing that Idid three months ago, the thing
that I'm working on today mightnot pay off until Three months
(11:06):
from now or a year from now orwhatever big larger goal.
I'm working towards, and so Ithink now I understand patients
a little bit differently whereI'm I know that it'll pay off in
some way or another And so Ijust kind of keep working Yeah,
Michael (11:25):
I absolutely agree with that.
And that's where talking aboutpredicting your future.
It's well, when you're takingaction towards something, even
if it's not the exact perfectplan or the exact thing that's
going to get you to complete.
Financial freedom when it comesto debt or in the case of our
minds, like the ability toovercome some of our own
(11:48):
limiting beliefs or things thathave held us back in the past.
It's like when we're on thepath, even if it's small
progress, it's, I think it'smore recently I heard in an
AdMilat podcast with InkyJohnson about, just how much
everything in this world isinstant gratification.
(12:11):
We've been training ourselvesnow for the past 10, 15 years to
have smaller and smaller amountof time to wait to get the
results that we want.
And that's really, I think,hindered our ability to, to
realize more that this successjourney that we're on.
In the process itself, ofcourse, that patience is so much
(12:36):
more almost important thananything else.
I think is recognizing that assoon as you get on the path
whether it's through a programlike 75 hard day one you're not
going to date day one through10, you're not going to see this
massive transformation.
But by day 75, you're going toexperience a pretty radical
(12:56):
transformation in your body, andin your mind, and in all these
other things.
And then if you persist, when wepersist beyond those initial few
months, that's when those thingsreally start to get ingrained.
And I think we start to feel theacceleration.
So it's just a, Yeah.
Interesting.
Pretty interesting.
(13:17):
Yeah.
It's like the thought of delayedgratification is something that
none of us want to participatein,
Preston (13:28):
Upfront or willingly, but it is one of those things
that when you sort of latch onand give into it.
It's just extremely beneficialin the long run because you
either, well, like you'vementioned with a 75 hard
program, it's like you're or anykind of weight loss or just
getting healthy.
(13:48):
It's like you're, you didn't get30 pounds overweight.
In a day or a month, it tooktime.
Yeah.
Michael (13:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think that's the same whenI mentioned meditation a little
bit earlier and I think that'sone of the best ways to
cultivate more patience is tosit and literally do nothing
except for focusing on yourthoughts.
And letting those observingthose thoughts, not focusing on
(14:19):
physically what you have to donext or some scheduled event
that you're supposed to attendand you get out of the, you get
out of that sort of cravinginstant gratification mode
because you're expecting that inthat meditation, you're going to
diverge away from that instantgratification mindset and more
(14:42):
towards something that ispatience and just Waiting and
sitting in a state of,mindfulness or so many different
ways that they, you canmeditate, obviously, but I think
that's one of the, best wayswhere I've experienced a good,
sense of peace with the lack of,or what feels like in some
(15:04):
cases, the lack of progress inother areas is to meditate on
where I'm at and then What theto that Joe defends this quote
what is the future I want tocreate?
Because there really is anynumber of sort of infinite
possibilities for the futuresthat we can create, based on our
(15:27):
decisions.
And are we going to be patient?
Are we going to be persistent?
And are we going to work hardenough to, to realize some of
those things.
Brad (15:37):
Yeah.
I think patience is really a,it's really a spiritual idea or
a spiritual principle too.
I mean, I don't know.
There's another quote that weall know it's good things come
to those who wait.
Yeah.
And I think that as profound asthat statement is, if you'd dive
(16:00):
into that, the, I've been tryingto teach my son that, that
putting in work at a sport orsomething, you're not always
going to see the result.
And going back to what you saidabout.
It's a great example, like youdon't always see the growth in
(16:20):
yourself.
And it's.
It can be tough because you justdon't in this material realm
that we live in, it's like,where's the growth, when am I
going to when am I going to getmine?
I remember saying this to mysponsor early in recovery.
I was like, Oh, everybody's gotall this stuff and they're all
successful.
(16:40):
I'm like, when am I going to getmine?
And he's you already got yours.
I was like, Oh man, like really,and I think we just don't
recognize Oftentimes, theresult, like the lagging
Michael (16:55):
Yeah, that's exactly it.
Because you think about theopposite of patients,
inpatients, obviously, well,self evident, but what are the
byproducts of inpatientsgenerally from an emotional
mental state?
Usually it's frustration.
Frustration leads to depression.
To anger leads you.
I mean, I'm second to go to Yodaon this leads to hate,
(17:16):
suffering.
No that's a Yoda quote, but,
Brad (17:21):
he was wise, man.
Michael (17:23):
No, it's the truth though.
It takes you on this path of.
Potentially outcomes and actionsthat are completely against what
you want to accomplish, whetherit's the way that you respond to
something that your spouse oryour kid says to you, or the way
that you respond to somethingprofessionally, or in your.
In work, like that's, I think somany times I'm wanting to try to
(17:47):
push to accelerate things thatdon't need to be accelerated.
Sure.
And I thought about that todayI'm driving and weather's just
garbage.
And my immediate thought was, asI was backing out of the
driveway, I'm like, I'm not in ahurry.
I'm going to drive slowly.
When you were on your way home,I'm like, yeah, just take your
(18:08):
time.
There's no what are we reallygoing to gain from an extra five
minutes or having this a littlebit earlier?
So it's just been pressing onme.
I think really a lot latelybecause I've shared in some of
our recent podcasts, how I feltlike, Oh, the beginning of this
year has been a struggle.
I'm like, that's okay.
Just be patient with continuingto do the right things.
(18:30):
Impressing was.
I think really helpful in thepast few weeks and just getting
me back into the right mindsetof patients and some of the
other stuff I was listening to,but he was more, I think
practical about it.
Just, you can do this.
Just get up at 5.
00 AM, do the workout, do thethings that you know you gotta
do start off your day.
Right.
(18:51):
And
Brad (18:52):
Well, that's easy to say, right?
It's so easy to say.
It's so easy to say that.
And then you look in your ownlife.
And right now I just got backinto the gym and I've come up
with a whole new workout.
That's going to fit some of thisstrain that was happening with
my wrists from drumming.
And the whole reason I kind ofquit working out is I was having
a wrist issues, And I let thatgo a little too long because it
(19:14):
was just easy.
Oh, I can't work out because mywrist.
Michael (19:17):
Yeah, it's almost impossible.
Don't you think it's almostimpossible to talk about
patience and not be kind oftalking about both mind and
body?
I know it's like thistechnically this week's
Reclaiming Mind, but I thinkit's if you don't have a strong
body, your mind's probably notgoing to be strong.
If your mind's not strong, yourbody's probably not going to be.
So it's it's almost impossibleto have the conversation to your
(19:38):
point Brad.
Not talking about the bodybecause that's where one of
those areas where patience isabsolutely key
Brad (19:45):
when it's all and it's all connected and let's just face
it.
Patience is a mental toughness.
And what do you need fromphysical?
What do you need from a workout?
You need mental toughness.
What do you need?
Anything?
And what do you need inanything?
You need mental toughness andsometimes that's just being
aware of it.
Yeah.
I think is a big is the big steptowards achieving this stuff for
(20:07):
anybody listening.
That's like I was telling youguys when we were chatting i'm
like, hey, you know Can someoneapply these things that we talk
about, I'm thinking aboutsomebody listening to this and
they're like man It's such along way for me to go to be
where these guys are at Maybe Ihad to think about that in
recovery when i'm gonna sponsora guy He's like man I'm, just
(20:27):
trying to get this probation Offmy back and my wife off my back
and i'm trying to get you know,all this stuff You That I need
to go away
Michael (20:35):
right
Brad (20:35):
now, I got to tell him, Hey just show up just show up
the next day.
How do I convince someone thatlike just showing up and not
drinking today is like often thebest advice I give the new guy
and a lot of times that's justto see if he can do it.
Like we're not gonna kill youdude for a week to just not
worry about the probationThey're not coming to get you
(20:57):
your wife's already mad at you.
You're already out of the houseSo why don't you just why don't
you just show up to a meetingand do these simple things?
Michael (21:05):
Yeah,
Brad (21:06):
and then wait for God to work, right and then let God
work with it And that's thattrust and that patience you got
to have if you have any faith atall And see, now I've built a
track record so I can saythrough my experience that when
I've waited and I put in thework, it doesn't always work out
the way I thought, but all thethings I wanted happened.
Michael (21:25):
Yeah.
I
Brad (21:26):
quit drinking, the law was off of me, everyone in my family
is good with me again thosethings fix themselves so much
faster than I would havethought, and then here I am
going, well, now I want thehouse, and I want the car, and I
want the job, and I want allthese things, so, patience is
so, I mean, it is so, Importantof like practice and I think
(21:46):
meditation is great for it I gota my morning meditations need to
really step up and I am NOTperfect by any means and I don't
I definitely don't execute thisthing perfectly, but
Michael (21:58):
sure.
Yeah.
Well with you on that by nomeans have a 100 percent Record
when it comes to meditation, Ijust find that when I
incorporate that in and in thepast I really was just like Last
year, I was really, I think,efficient and good at habit
stacking.
So I was like, Oh, I'm going todo a sauna after the workout.
(22:20):
And in that sauna, I'm going todo a meditation because it's
just as part of the routine andthen go to the cold plunge, et
cetera.
So there was just like thatelement of.
As much as possible, justturning that into a habit, the
meditation piece, and, again,when you're saying like, you
(22:40):
have to have the track record inorder to kind of be effective in
that role, have credibility asthe way that I look at it.
And then I just was thinkingabout patients.
And discipline and how relatedthose two concepts are like
discipline.
You're saying, Hey, I'm going todo something for a long time
(23:01):
that or indefinitely that I knowwill eventually have some really
positive outcomes.
And in the case of how we'vetalked about it from a
reclaiming mind perspective,it's like, how do we get to
those ideal States?
Well, it's definitely.
(23:21):
A combination of, patience, and,discipline and practicing the
right types of things and beingmore aware of what our thoughts
are.
And when we have those impatientmoments, like that's what do you
do when you're impatient, whenyou're frustrated and how do you
pull yourself out of that stateand, remind yourself a big
(23:41):
picture of the time equation.
And I don't know, just likethings that are going to, you're
breathing things that'll slowyou down and get you back to the
point where it's okay.
Brad (23:50):
That brings me to how do you start?
So let's just say you're brandnew to this and you found our
podcast and you're maybe you'restruggling and you're hearing
about patients and, it's justlike, how am I supposed to have
it paid?
Where do we start with patients?
Like where, how does that lookwhen you have none, Like what's
(24:18):
the first step?
To patients I don't know.
I'm asking you guys too, becauseI'm like, yeah, no, that's a
good question.
It's a
Preston (24:26):
good, I mean would, be something like just sitting by
yourself for one minute insilence?
Be like, An interesting way tomaybe start to just be in your
head like just for one minute.
Just set a timer on your phone,just in a quiet room in your
house or wherever, in your car.
Yeah, what I've been working onin
Michael (24:46):
the car, I think is the best place for most people to
start I would argue is in thecar, because everybody has to
drive generally.
And I asked myself thisquestion, if I speed right now,
how much will that impact, likethe time that I actually get to.
(25:07):
X, whether it's I'm driving tothe gas station, the grocery
store to work, whatever it is ifI speed, how much will time will
that actually get me?
And so then I'm like, but I canbe patient for an extra few
minutes and just drive the speedlimit probably takes people off.
And by the speed limit, I'mtalking about plus, plus or
minus.
Not minus plus 3 to 5 miles perhour.
(25:29):
That's my, my, my definition ofthe speed limit.
Let's be honest here, guys.
But I mean, in a residentialneighborhood.
No, I'm driving underneath thespeed limit.
I'm going to, I'm going to coastthrough this neighborhood at 20
miles an hour at the topsbecause.
I can be a little extra patient.
So hopefully it gives me anextra split second to react.
(25:50):
If some kid runs out in thestreet or whatever.
But I think in the car is agreat place because there's a
lot of people who try yourpatients in the car and their
drivers that will inflame reallyquickly, the sense of anger and
self righteousness.
Like what the hell is this guydoing?
He cut me off and whatever itis, or you're in traffic and.
(26:11):
I think it's a great place tostart.
Yeah.
Brad (26:13):
I'm just going to say the first thing you should do is
have children.
Preston (26:18):
That might not have your patients that will test
your patients.
Brad (26:21):
Just have children.
And then you'll be, you'llfigure patients out.
Preston (26:25):
No,
Brad (26:27):
don't do that.
Don't just go have kids becauseyou want to learn spiritual
ideas through them, but
Preston (26:32):
they are great teachers of patients though.
I mean, you bring that up andit's funny to joke about that.
They try our patients and allthat, but it's like, what?
They are like, I mean, I've lostmy patience many times with my
children and I've done extremelywell with them many times too.
And it's there are both greatlearning experiences when you
kind of are that way with yourkids.
(26:53):
I mean, you guys are both dadslike you've had moments that you
like can brag about and momentsthat it's fuck, I'm not going to
talk about that shit ever again.
That was not handled well,
Brad (27:03):
but I think I was thinking about the times where I had to
be the most patient, my past isriddled with quite a few.
And I'm not shy to talk aboutthat in my as a reason I got
sober and, jail will teach yousome patience boy.
I mean, but I think about, but I
Michael (27:24):
think also not recommended, right?
I mean no,
Brad (27:28):
like I've done all I've gone on ballot, all the hard
ways to learn.
I mean, just a hard head.
And I've been that way my wholelife, but.
I've obviously changed a lot butI think about those times and
there was a time where I did themost time that I'd ever done And
it got to a point where I wasactually some of the best like
(27:48):
It's crazy to say this.
I think I probably said this onmy one of my other podcasts is
like I had the most clarity andI felt the most spiritually
connected this one particulartime I was arrested because I
was going to bible study everyweek and I had a routine and It
was like I was able to do it Iwas able to do it and I, all
(28:12):
those other distractions werelike out of my life and I look
back on it and I'm like, man, soI can almost recreate that and
learn from that and go sometimesI have to simplify my life if I
can simplify my life and getfocused on what the things that
are that really matter, patientswill come from peace.
So if I can get some peace, andI can get some serenity in my
(28:35):
life, then I find patience isn'tas hard, because I'm just okay.
I find myself just being moreokay, and patience will come a
little more natural, and I don'thave to force it.
It's not as much of a struggle.
I'm the most impatient person.
I'm far from the person that'syeah, I got all the patience in
the world.
No, that's not me.
Right.
I try not to tell myself thattoday, right?
(28:56):
It's just, I say that becauseit's like my nature tends to be
of that in my personality.
And so that helps me to knowwhen I get into situations, if I
can plan ahead, Hey, I'm goingto be sitting here for a long
time.
If I'm on a flight, I get reallyimpatient when I fly.
And I like, I got to havecertain movies downloaded or
certain types of shows and abook or something like I have to
(29:16):
just plan.
Michael (29:18):
Oh, that's another great place to practice patience
though.
I mean, yeah, think about whenyou're loading a plane, like
everyone just lines up and waitsin a line and.
I don't know who the quotesattributed to, but talking about
patients, it's not wait, it'snot just waiting.
Right.
It's just how you act whileyou're waiting.
So some people are just like,you can tell they're visibly
upset and frustrated andstressed out about having to
(29:41):
wait to board that plane.
And so the one thing that I doto like to practice patients is
I just.
Don't board the plane, no matterwhat group I'm in, I just wait
and I'm sure someone be like,Oh, you're going to lose your
overhead spot space or whatever.
I'm like, I don't bring a carryon.
So I don't care.
I just sit and wait until it'slike the last call.
(30:03):
And then I walk down the jetwayand I'm sure people well, it
doesn't cause anybody anxiety.
I'm sure except for yeah.
For most people,
Brad (30:11):
except for the middle seat, you have to take, you just
ruin their hopes.
You ruin their hopes of having amiddle seat open.
Yeah.
You gotta be that guy.
Hey yeah.
I'm gonna go ahead and takethat.
Michael (30:23):
I like to think that I ruin their hopes a little bit
and then they're like, yeah, buthe's pretty skinny, so at least
it's not the worst.
Could be.
Brad (30:33):
You know what I do sit there.
I try to talk I try to talk topeople.
Like I'm such an extrovertthough.
And if I'm sitting in a linewith somebody and I'm staying in
a line, I remember the lastflight I went to Vegas on to go
play with Mike and I was likestanding there and I was like,
see 25 because I didn't check inand per usual, I always forget
(30:54):
to check in and I'm like, dangit.
And I'm sitting there and Ijust, can't help myself and I
just start making a joke.
I like made a joke about beinglike, well, we're the hated
people that are going to takethe middle seats and everybody's
laughing and I'm That's like mycoping mechanism is I just make
a joke, like talk to people,make a joke, everyone starts
(31:15):
laughing and then before youknow it.
We're on the plane and it's notso bad.
Well,
Michael (31:20):
that's exactly it.
So that's what I was justtalking about.
How you act when you're waiting.
If you can turn that intolightness and into something
that makes people laugh all of asudden that stress that people
probably at this point havehabitually subconsciously been
carrying with them whenever theyhave to wait in line for
anything, you immediatelydiffuse some of that.
(31:40):
So that's pretty good.
Brad (31:42):
I know Michael, you've had experience with it too, but I
just, you know me, I just alwayswill refer back to AA cause it
changed my life, but there's areally famous quote and I'm
going to try to just look it upbecause I don't want to get it
wrong.
And it's.
Patience I think was reallyconnected to acceptance, right?
(32:04):
And that is another principlethat is that I feel like we need
to possess to Grow for growthlike we've got to practice
acceptance And it saysacceptance.
It's page 417 from the big bookvalcox anonymous Acceptance is
the answer to all my problemstoday when I am disturbed It is
because I find some personsomeplace something or situation
(32:27):
some fact You Of my life,unacceptable to me.
And I can find no serenity untilI accept that person, place,
thing, or situation as beingexactly the way it is supposed
to be at this moment.
Nothing, absolutely nothinghappens in God's world by
mistake.
Until I could accept myalcoholism, I could not stay
(32:48):
sober unless I accept my lifecompletely on life's terms.
I cannot be happy.
I need to concentrate not somuch on what needs to be changed
in the world and those around meas on what needs to be changed
in me, my attitudes, and myperception.
Deep.
Yeah.
I feel like that could beanother podcast.
I'm just gonna drop themicrophone right there.
(33:08):
Right, right.
We'll just marinate on that, butman, that's such a good line.
That is.
Oh, yeah.
Michael (33:16):
Yeah, I totally agree.
And I feel like we're going tohave to dive into that too.
And then patience part two.
So y'all are going to have to bepatient and wait for the next
episode.
That's right.
All right.
You're
Brad (33:25):
going to have to wait for that.
Michael (33:27):
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Preston, current events.
Brad (33:32):
Let's talk about this boat that ran into the bridge.
I saw that coming.
I was like, I hope he's goingto, well, not I hope.
I wonder
Preston (33:39):
if he's going to talk about that.
I mean, it's just like right nowit's today is what?
March 25th, 26.
Brad (33:48):
What I know.
Well, Preston you recap forpeople.
If they don't know.
Preston (33:51):
Well, yeah, if you don't know like this.
Was it a cargo liner ship orsomething like that?
Like one of those big ships thathaul all like the semi truck
cargo things, leaving Baltimore.
And, from what looks like on thevideo, it's coming out of its,
out of port or whatever.
Lights go off I don't know if itloses power, and sort of ends up
(34:14):
steering like a hard almost 90degree angle and just drives
right into this bridge and takesthe whole thing out.
It's fascinating, Vito, towatch.
I've seen a few angles of it.
Oh, I mean,
Brad (34:23):
the bridge comes down like it's made of toothpicks.
Preston (34:26):
Yeah, well, I mean, that thing's got a way you'd
think how many tons that shipis.
It's like that bridge's done nochance.
But no.
Can you imagine?
Brad (34:35):
Oh, go ahead.
Sorry.
Preston (34:37):
No, go ahead.
Brad (34:37):
I was just gonna say, can you imagine driving on the
bridge?
I mean, cars are passing.
I'm watching it going.
Preston (34:41):
Oh, yeah.
Some went into the river or thebay or whatever, right?
Oh, well, yeah, dude.
I mean, that water that'sBaltimore.
Six
Michael (34:47):
people.
Yeah.
Water, freezer.
Six people that are part of aroad construction crew.
Oof.
Preston (34:53):
Jeez.
Michael (34:53):
Brutal.
Preston (34:55):
But it's just weird.
I've been hearing all theseconspiracies about it being a
potential cyber attack.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, it could just be, Imean, I don't know if it's like
what you would call user error,pilot error, captain error,
because I mean, it's just, itjust seems so like, how did they
not like the amount of mom, Iguess you'd have to have that
(35:20):
much momentum to get the thinggoing out of the Harbor, but
Brad (35:25):
They take, a lot from no one being my dad was a boat
captain, not on big ships likethat, but it takes a lot to
slow.
So, I mean, they got a plan forslowing down way ahead of time,
but
Preston (35:36):
does a ship like that not have a tug taking it out?
I guess maybe not.
Yeah,
Michael (35:43):
I think, yeah, you're right.
Some, do, but I think in thiscase it was under its own power.
And what I, read here is Theship lights flickered and it
veered off course before it hitthe bridge, but I don't
necessarily believe it becauseit's the news I'm just kidding.
Yeah, I mean you said put on thetinfoil hats and i'm just like
well Conspiracy, what's the wayto spin that?
(36:04):
Yeah, maybe this is just
Brad (36:05):
news They're gonna have a field day with it, of course
because it's an opportunity, but
Michael (36:10):
yeah I
Brad (36:11):
don't know what else to say on it.
I mean It does just kind of makeme think well, hey, man Anything
can happen at any given moment,and you could be driving along
that bridge and it could be you.
Yeah.
So,
Michael (36:23):
yeah,
Brad (36:24):
I don't know.
I, that's what I go to thinkingis like
Michael (36:26):
Yeah, kinda with you on that.
Things happen
Brad (36:28):
as safe as we feel like we are today and as fail safe, as
many fail safes as we have, andredundancies and things to avoid
stuff like this, I mean.
Michael (36:37):
Yeah, still less bridges in my future.
Yeah.
Brad (36:41):
Yeah.
Michael (36:41):
Right.
I actually was really close tothe I drove over a bridge that
collapsed in Minneapolis severalyears ago.
Gosh, 14 years ago, 15 yearsago, it was and 1 of our bridges
collapsed kind of out ofnowhere.
It wasn't a boat that hit it.
So, but thankfully I wasn't,yeah, thankfully I wasn't on it.
(37:04):
I didn't know too many.
I didn't know anyone who was onit.
So just wild.
But yeah.
Yeah, I definitely think thatwhen I was reading the brief
articles about it, I mean,they're pretty fortunate that
there were only eight totalpeople on the bridge when it was
hit.
Because that's actually not tomake light of it, but I mean,
(37:26):
that's could have been wayworse.
Brad (37:29):
Well, yeah, it happened at 1 30 in the morning or
something.
So, oh, yeah, that makes sense.
Which is from what I heard, Ithink if I don't know if I have
that correct or not, but I thinkit was at my life group actually
earlier.
Yeah, my guys from church andone of the, his buddies lived in
Baltimore and was driving andwas going to be, he was traffic
stopped because he was going tobe crossing the bridge.
(37:51):
Yeah.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
He was like, he said hisbrother, I mean, that's all he
really knew that his brother wasgoing to cross the bridge and
then traffic all stopped.
I don't know how far he was fromthe bridge, but wow.
That's crazy.
There's a, another not to segueif you guys aren't finished on
(38:13):
that, but no, that's, there'sanother current event that I
wanted to bring up.
I was listening to JordanPeterson's podcast today.
Get some inspiration fortonight, but I just clicked on
one that had nothing to do withanything that we're talking
about today, but I got hooked inbecause it's Jordan Peterson,
and I can't help but continue tolisten to him when he's.
(38:35):
On any of his episodes.
And he brought on this guy, Dr.
Brett Weinstein, and they werediscussing the migration crisis.
And what's happening at what'scalled the Darien gap.
You guys are familiar with theDarien gap?
Preston (38:52):
Sounds familiar.
I feel like I've heard it beenmentioned before, but I don't
know what it is.
Brad (38:56):
All new to me.
I'm often times sheltered fromI've sheltered myself from a lot
of news because I just, it'sjust depressing, or I don't know
if it's true.
Honest reporting anymore, butwith its joy jordan peterson.
I feel like I trust so He bringsthis guy on and they're talking
about the darien gap.
Well, did we lose michael?
Preston (39:17):
No, he's probably not doing something.
Maybe just okay So real
Brad (39:21):
quick the darien gap is this 60 mile stretch of terrain
Michael (39:29):
Huh
Brad (39:29):
in Through a jungle
Michael (39:32):
in
Brad (39:32):
panama and apparently all these organizations around the
world are You Kind of behind orthey're endorsing this migration
this mass migration,
Michael (39:43):
okay yeah, some of the
Brad (39:44):
migration groups are even like endorsing it and What's
happening is that all thesepeople are migrating and they're
not all just Panamanian or SouthAmerican they're Middle
Easterners.
They're Chinese people aremaking it to yes Panama so that
they can find this access intoultimately the Americas the
Western world or to you theUnited States
Michael (40:05):
yeah,
Brad (40:05):
and This path is treacherous.
Like not just to mentionphysically treacherous, it's 60
miles through a jungle, but itis a unmonitored, unregulated
sort of no man's land in Panama,where once you begin to take the
trip, if you can even track itphysically, you are raped or
(40:28):
robbed by cartels of any moneythat you have, and.
These other countries once youget through that say you get
through that and you're gonnahave to go through costa rica
Well,
Michael (40:39):
yeah
Brad (40:40):
where in the past the borders had all been controlled.
They're now just letting thempass which is A new thing these
borders were never Open topeople just passing through and
so there's a whole notherpodcast could be on this but I
just kind of want you guys tomaybe listen to that and it's
super interesting and just It'sinteresting because this guy has
(41:01):
he has more of a progressiveviewpoint than jordan does You
And so I love that about hisshow and these guys are really
in agreement on a lot of thehumanitarian issue that this
presents.
And sure.
I have a guy
Preston (41:15):
was a, he was a professor in Washington state or
Oregon like an extremelyprogressive school.
And he got he got fired for theyused to have this thing this
day, it was called day without.
It was like a day without blackpeople at school or something
like that.
To recognize, just to recognizethem.
(41:36):
And then one year the blackpeople were like, all right,
well now we're coming to schooland white people aren't allowed
at school.
And the professor was like,well, that doesn't make any
sense.
And he showed up and the wholeschool like protested him.
And it was a big, he was onRogan like years ago.
It was like this huge event thatwas like.
Wait, what's going on?
Like it was bonkers.
(41:57):
Bizarre.
Brad (41:59):
Yeah.
And I just, man, that podcastjust had me thinking
Michael (42:01):
and I haven't even gotten to take a listen because
yeah, I love his stuff sometimesis, I mean, candidly, sometimes
those long form conversations,they're hard for me to fit in
time wise, but every time I do,I find that they're so good.
So this one's good.
And this one's good
Brad (42:17):
because it's not.
Really about what he's usuallytalking about it doesn't have a
lot to do with psychology orsome of the, I mean, he talks
about a lot of different thingsI'm learning, but yeah, but it
just, I had no idea this wasgoing on.
Michael (42:34):
Well, I'm going to check it out.
Thanks for bringing it up..
Preston (42:36):
Well, thank you all for coming out for episode 56 and
for, I guess Brad's firstinaugural episode as an official
cohost with the boys and whetheryou're listening in the morning
or the evening on a Monday or aSunday, enjoy your weekend, you
(42:57):
want to.
You want to send a send off toanybody brad on your first
goodbye there to everybody
Brad (43:04):
first I want to thank my lord and savior jesus christ for
giving me the opportunity towalk the walk man now preach No,
but I just want to thank youguys for giving me an
opportunity.
I've really wanted to podcastand you guys have given me that
opportunity.
So here's you know, if you thinkabout I manifested it.
I look at it I really thoughtabout it.
(43:26):
I was like, I want a podcast.
I want to do this.
I thought about it for a yearand here I am.
So I want to thank you guys forbeing a part of that, that,
making this a reality for meand, yeah, I think look forward
to having some more greatconversation about what's going
on in the world and also aboutreclaiming.
(43:47):
Reclaiming man and what that allmeans I want to bring on some
really good guests.
And I think there'll be somepeople that I have in my circle
that since we're doing thisremotely, We might get, I got
some pretty cool people I've runinto in my life that I think, my
cousin did a bunch of time inprison and I just, I find that
there could be a lot of, justsuccessful musicians even, the
(44:11):
guys I was telling you aboutbefore Christians that I've
gotten to know and just a ton ofreally awesome people.
And I just think bringing theseideas and here and there.
Insight to what reclaiming manis will be super cool and maybe
even talking about somecontroversial stuff.
I was talking with Michael aboutthat, yeah.
So anyway, I'd say that maybe.
Definitely.
Yeah.
(44:31):
Yeah.
Let's touch on BA based on someof that stuff.
Anyways, I appreciate you guysand thanks for having me on the
show.
I look forward to the next one.
Michael (44:39):
Appreciate you too.
Thank.
All right, gentlemen.
Brad (44:44):
Sounds good.
We'll stop this.
Michael (44:45):
Wait,
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