August 7, 2023 • 31 mins
In this episode Reggie and J Henry tackle the rising popularity of the weight-loss drug Ozempic. Why are quick fixes so appealing, and why should we resist them? We'll discuss the dangers of shortcuts to fitness and value of effort and persistence in achieving fitness goals.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, boom.
So I'm a tail coming to youfrom love city of Atlanta,
georgia, going out to the windycity of Chicago with J HenryJ.
What's up, how's it going bro?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What's up, man?
Are you doing brother?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Always a pleasure, man.
Always a pleasure, life'salways like what's like?
What's like.
You know, there's this newthing.
I'm not sure if you heard aboutthis, jay, but there's this new
.
I wouldn't say it's exactly new, because it's been popping like
a last couple years and youknow what a lot of these drugs.
Sometimes they've been in apipeline for a long time but you
don't start to hear about themuntil people really start to
kind of take them a lot.
So there's this drug calledZinpeck.
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You heard of that I.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Don't you know.
Thankfully I don't flow in thatworld like that as far as, like
you know, performanceenhancement drugs, the you know
I've heard of HGH stack.
I've heard of, you know,anabolic stuff, heard of you
know, trt, you know, and stufflike that.
But I don't, I don't dabble toodeep in that world because I
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don't, I don't partake in that,I don't partake in that, you
know.
And then using those substancesand stuff like that, I mean I
know some of them can be ourlegal and our beneficial to you
know Guys who are getting olderand they, you know, they're
trying to get, you know, energyand you know state, muscular,
stay, looking good and stufflike that.
But I've just, I haven't neededit yet I don't have a you know
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I need for, yet I don't see youdoing it yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I don't you ever really get into this, because
this is like more of like aweight loss drug, so it's like a
shot.
So it was a drug that that wasoriginally invented, I think,
for like type 2 diabetes, forpeople who can.
I guess I don't know if theywere, like Morbally obese,
because you know, when it comesto like that obese game J,
there's levels to it, right,like you have, like the people
that are like 600 pounds, 400pounds, 200 pounds, and it kind
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of comes down, down and down.
So originally it was a designfor people like that in that
range.
But of course skinnier peoplesaw that yo, I can take a shot
and now I can lose weight and Idon't have to actually go to the
gym.
So skinnier people startedusing those impact to try to try
to Get the results.
Because you know J it's beenvery popular in our lifetime To
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try to come up with a pill orthe quick solution, bro, like
you could just take a pill, youdon't have to go to the gym, bro
, you could take a pill and thennow your weight just dropping
off of you, you don't have to doanything, and his impact is
actually a shot, and it's becomevery popular with a lot of
people here now the the reason Iwanted to have this subject
review because you're a trainee,you know you do like fight
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training and stuff like that, soyou the gym was like secondary
to your life, so to speak,versus a lot of people who may
see a gym two times this decadefor a lot of people.
Yeah, so for for, we're gonnatalk about a couple of things
here, because, being when peoplecome to you, I know they come
to you for a very specificreason.
They're coming to you to trainfor for is that boxing, ufc
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fights?
Is it just like?
Boxing is kind of where your mymain focus is just boxing.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I have tapped into more like For a couple of ladies
, self defense, you know, so in.
You know, and I have a you knowa background in training and
kickboxing and a little bit ofyou know just Translating that
into what that would be if itwas just, you know, someone
fighting to survive as opposedto someone fighting for
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competition.
So you know I'll dabble in that.
I'm not certified in Crop McGar.
I'm not certified in you know,hand to hand combat or Casey or
something you know of thatstandard where it's just simply
all, all, just purelyself-defense.
You know, my, my fundamental,my USA certified a green level
boxing coach, that's.
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That's me right there throughand through, and so a lot of
people come to me to get thefundamentals of.
You know what it means to be,you know be a boxer and you know
picking up some kind of skills,self-defense, and then
sometimes what people like to dois they like to branch out from
.
You know, because I do havethis one client where she, she,
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she weight lifts every day, shedoes strength training and
weightlifting every day and she,you know, she dropped a hundred
pounds because of it and nowshe, she wanted to expand.
She's been with me for quite awhile now as far as in months
and time.
She paid for 20 sessions.
She's down to her last three.
She enjoys it.
You know she enjoys challengingherself and, and you know, just
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being diverse with her fitness.
You know she wants to continueto grow and I Appreciate that
from any client that I get.
Where they're, they're there,they put in the time, they put
in the work.
You know, even if they make aplane a little bit or whatever
like that, they know they stillcame there to do the work and
stuff like that and shedefinitely, she definitely does
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that.
So I definitely salute her withboth hands and ensure the
respect For the fact that she's,you know and listen, much
credit to her.
You know, when she paid forthose 20 lessons, she showed up
at the time she was supposed tobe there.
She always gave me a heads upif she wasn't gonna be there,
which was very little timeswhere she, you know Dropping
sessions and I can't do it orsomething like that.
(05:13):
So you know you talked aboutand I mentioned that because you
talked about how people arealways, especially in this era-
and even earlier before, I wantto say 10 years earlier.
People are still just lookingfor instant gratification.
Yeah, man, quick.
You know, like a court, likelike, yeah, like a quarter zone
shot.
You know it's like, yes, massthe pain, mass the pain, and I
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really feel like that's my,that's the wrong way to go, you
know it's.
It's like, you know, when yousay about these people who are
500, 600 pounds and you know,here's my thing, I try not to
ever Judge someone's situation.
You know, I really do my bestnot to judge someone's situation
, but you didn't come out thewomb.
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500 pounds work.
You know.
No, no offense to your mother,but she wouldn't have lived.
You know.
You know you don't come out thewomb 800,000.
You know I'm saying you don'tcome out like that.
So what was the?
Yes, you were probably big, butwhat was going on?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
other habits, Right, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I'm saying like I listen, there are very there
endomorphic people out there.
They're naturally big peopleout there, no question, but it's
up to you of what you intake.
You know and I understandeverybody's life is different
and everybody does somethingdifferent.
But I can't roll with it ahundred percent.
I can't make that the soleexcuse for everyone, a hundred
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percent.
You know, because you have achoice and being in the fitness
circle, you know fitnesscommunity.
You know you get all kinds ofpeople that they do this, you
know, but they not, they notactually running, and you know
lifting and All day, but butdon't want to put in the work is
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basically what you're saying,and and get away from me.
You're toxic to me.
You know no offense, but youknow just like get away from me.
I don't want to do, I don't, Idon't want to.
I don't want to hear you in myear talking about what you want
to do and you know, and what you, what you think you're capable
of about.
Show me, show me, you know whatare you doing to motivate
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people like that, dave?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
because I know that when people come to you for that
there's a certain it's kind oflike in any schooling.
There's like a prerequisite youmay need to go into another
field, right?
So if you're a doctor, maybeyou need a prerequisite in other
medical fields before you gointo specialization.
And I would imagine if you'regonna be training for, for
fighting or any other type oftraining, there's probably a
physical prerequisite there that, or at least a minimal of
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physical shape you would have tobe in before you move to that
next step.
How do you, how do you startthis?
You say it starts with themental starts.
You start training their mentalbefore you start training their
physicals.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Here's the here's the thing you can come in out of
shape scanning, big, whatever.
What are you trying toaccomplish?
You see, I'm saying what'swhat's in here is gonna get you
through, because you may not bein the greatest of shape, you
may not be big or you may be toosmall or whatever like that.
I had a guy when he had a lotof anxiety issues, where he was
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always afraid of trying newthings, especially something
physical.
When I met him he was a veryyou know slim guy, wasn't very
athletic.
So I'm around the time that Ibooked his session, it couldn't
have been better, because aroundthe time that he would come in,
hardly anyone would be there.
So the first thing was he gotto come to the gym.
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See the gym, open space, not alot of energy in that meaning
you don't know about.
He's sparring, not a lot ofyelling.
You know it was just perfectbecause he got to just have a
one-on-one session with me andrealize that it's it's.
You know, boxing or any combatsport in the beginning is very
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simple.
You got to learn your stance,your center of gravity, you got
to have a foundation.
You're learning how to you knowwalk a certain way, punch a
certain way.
If in kickboxing kick a certainway, you know to keep, maintain
your balance, but you know tobe effective.
You know, and all of this andall honesty is boring in the
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beginning, is nothing isexciting about it.
But but there's what the key tothat is do you have the
patience to learn what needs tobe learned before you get into
all the stuff that you see onYouTube?
Or when you walk into a gym andyou see the guys or the women
that are experienced in italready, who have been doing it
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for a while, and you see them atan advanced level, and I think
that's the thing some people getintimidated by that.
Well, what happened with him washis wife, because no, I'm sorry
.
So what happened with him washe paid for a session and then
he wasn't gonna come in and Iactually for some reason I don't
normally always do this, but Itexted him.
(10:07):
I'm like, hey, man, you areright, because he actually said
look man, I ain't gonna be ableto come in.
I can tell it was fear, it wasreally of him, not what.
Yeah, no, no, what gave youthat?
what gave you that impressionwhen someone wants to do
something and you know they payfor it.
They put a down payment on it,they lock themselves in and then
(10:30):
all of a sudden, yeah, I foundsomething else.
You know I'm good.
First, the first thing thatcomes in, people say, especially
with combat sports, they don'twant to get hurt.
I see you see I'm saying theyare they are they, will they
automatically think they'regonna throw me in the ring with
some killer and I'm gonna die?
And I constantly have toreassure people, like especially
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at least with me.
I can't speak for any othercoach.
I'm not gonna do that.
You know, that's that, first ofall.
That's not what we do here.
You know that that's not our MO.
You know our thing is.
I said listen, if you have anathletic background and you
catch on to things quick, great,awesome, yeah, I mean we can
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definitely move you along a lotquicker.
If you have no skills, guesswhat I say to that even better.
Because the ones that I getthat are athletic.
Sometimes they know everything.
Okay, they, you know they.
They sometimes they can bemister, and this is no at all,
and that that can be a job initself for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So see that in a lot of professions.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, oh, my god.
But with this guy it was justmore.
He was being apprehensivebecause he wasn't sure about
himself and he wasn't used totrying new things and I just,
and I used to be like that.
That's another reason whyidentified it.
I used to be that way when Iwas younger, when I, you know, I
wanted I would see stuff on TV,I want to try it out.
But you know, I didn't want toput in the dedication.
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I was laziness as well as fearof putting myself in an
environment that I had no clueabout.
So people can become very, youknow, quick to be dismissive of
something that they don'tunderstand, because of fear you
know they'll make, they'll callit something else, but it's just
fear.
And so I said I'm not saying,hey, man, are you all right?
(12:22):
Why don't you come through andjust check it out or whatever
like that?
So he came through his wife,who I should be thanking.
Actually I never met her, butshe basically encouraged and
look, you should go, and hetried it out, got through it.
You know I started very slowwith him.
You know I didn't do anythingtoo hardcore with him because I
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didn't want to scare him off.
Scare him off for sure.
Yeah, you know, and stuff likethat.
But he got through it and thenhe ended up paying for four
sessions Out of those foursessions.
He did too.
I think maybe the fear got backto him again because you know,
he texted me.
God bless him, he did text meand he says you know, amen, I
found something else I wouldlike to do and thank you for all
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your help and your support,because I would always push him
and I always say amen, you cando it, you know, you got this,
you know or whatever like that.
So I think sometimes you know,even in combat sports, I think
it goes beyond just the fightingaspect of it.
For a lot of people it's justconfidence, you know, a
confidence booster, and it's notso much that they will become a
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professional fighter oranything like that.
It's something where and thisis going beyond the sport of it
it's just more of the psychologyof it, where when you push
yourself in something physicallet's be honest, your personal
life you start looking at alittle bit more differently.
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Because now you know, when youpush yourself to get that extra
mile in in the run, or you pushyourself to go another round on
the bag or the focus mitts, oryou know, get those sit-ups in
or those push-ups in, you startfeeling like you know you'll see
the difference.
Or in any sports you get tokickboxing, mixed martial arts,
whatever you know, you'll see achange in people with, like I
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deserve a raise, right, or hey,I'm taking this week off, no
questions about it.
You know, I'm going to put inmy papers and I'm taking this
week off and we're going onvacation.
I need some me time.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Do you think that makes them more assertive?
Or in other parts of their life?
Is that what you feel like oneof the things that happened from
a mental perspective?
Well, that that's kind of notreally advertised to a lot of
people.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Absolutely See, but I think that's that's, that's
part of something that you findfor yourself.
You know it's listen.
When I first got into trainingpeople, I was very like, how do
I do this?
And you know, I was, you know,nice guy, and not to say I'm not
a nice guy now, but I just kindof learn how to put my foot
down with more situations asopposed to just accepting what
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is or whatever.
And that's that's part of ourgrowth process and whatever it
is that we're going through.
I'm sure you had your growthprocess with you just got
started with your podcast andyou know your business and
everything like that.
So you know it's a learning, youknow that's that learning curve
that we all go through, youknow.
But once we get it, you know we, we look at things differently.
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You know, we have a differentperspective on things we have,
and then we have a newfoundrespect for ourselves, we value
ourselves more.
And that's what and, in myhonest opinion, that's what
combat sports does for people isit makes you realize you are a
value, you do have something tocontribute, you are worthy, you
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are.
You know you do havecapabilities.
That you know, because a lot ofpeople are people.
Sometimes, why I'm not the mostathletically talented Doesn't
matter.
Are you willing to put in thework?
Yes, okay, then you deserve it,like anyone else deserves it.
Just put in the work, show up,do what needs to be done, even
on the days that you don't wantto be here.
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You showed up.
You could have been anywhereelse, but you're here.
You could have been having icecream and pizza and burgers, but
you're here.
You could have.
You know you could have been athome.
Which?
Watching a binge, watching aNetflix show, or who?
Who of Amazon?
You're here.
You know what I'm saying.
You're putting in the timeyou're putting in the dedication
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you're sacrificing with thebetter because you want to see
something different and, as youwere talking about earlier, but
all the people who are doing theinstant gratification what it
is is they want results but theydon't want to work for it.
You know it's it's sad, buttrue.
You got a lot of people and you, but then here's the.
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The messed up part about that isthat they can't really
genuinely feel good aboutthemselves because they really
didn't put in the work.
If you notice people who workout not even just not boxing or
combat, but just people who workout and take care of themselves
.
If you notice even especiallynowadays on the IG people who
work out and they do like, posta vacations that they take and
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times they spend with theirfamilies and they're really
enjoying themselves.
If you notice that they reallyenjoy themselves because for
every family friendly friend,you know social posts that they
make when they go to a concertor when they go out and they're
partying or they actually havefun.
Well, look at the work they'redoing, you know.
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Look at, look at the the, theamount of work that they're
putting in the gym, the amountof work they're putting in their
business.
They are.
They're truly genuinelyenjoying themselves because of
the honest work that they theyput in every day.
And, let's be honest, honestwork isn't always, you know,
easy, right, so you know.
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So I don't know what happened,but okay.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, you know.
So the more honest work you putin, the more you appreciate the
downtime you get, because it'slike man, I really get to enjoy
myself, I really get to enjoythe fruits of my labor.
And the other thing about it isthat about any combat sport is
that when you leave, let's sayyou go in, you're having a
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crappy day, and then you go inand you go train, and the way I
train people, I would hope tothink that when they leave my
class, my session, their mind isclear, matter of fact.
There ain't anything aboutnothing, but maybe just getting
some water.
But then you know all thatstuff that was jumbled in their
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head bills, their girlfriend,their wife, their kids.
You know what am I going to dothis?
How am I going to run thisbusiness?
How am I?
You know this personal stuffAll of a sudden?
Well, that's, that was simple.
All I had to do is this let mego talk to such and such about
this and things become wayclearer.
Man, listen, a lot of clear,listen.
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I get that same way when I'mdone training in kickbox.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, me too.
Me too, I can say the samething when I work out.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
It just gets the BS out of you.
It's like, okay, all I gotta dois this, and all I gotta do is
this.
Simple, that's it so all Igotta do today is finish that
statement.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Jayden, I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's it, that's it.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I'm good, go ahead.
I'm good for the audience hereactually both are kind of for
audience.
But when you, when a personcomes into you from scratch, jay
, and they are wanting to get toa certain level, but they come
in they don't really have anyworkout experience having, they
don't go really ever go to thegym.
How long is it taking from thattime that they for that first
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initial session to them actuallyturning a page from a physical
standpoint is like a year of aperson kind of hitting the gym
from from the couch.
Let's say you go on from thecouch to the gym.
How long is it going to takeyou before you can kind of get
conditioned I guess is the wordI'm looking for before you can
kind of get conditioned?
I know it can vary from personto person.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, and it also varies on what they're
paying for, like, if they'repaying for, you know, a package
deal like let's say they want,because I usually the minimum I
usually tell them about is foursessions or five sessions.
You know, I think it's in myhonest and personal opinion,
it's it's really on them.
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You know, like this, the oneclient I told you that I had the
young lady who she works out onher own.
And then, okay, here's thefunny part about this, and this
is what I truly believe themwhen I first met the young lady
who's training her butt offright now, she saw my rates and
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she paid.
This is like the first clientI've ever had.
We're out the gate.
She paid for five sessionsstraight and what I mean.
But, yeah, exactly.
So it's like it has nothing todo with me, it has to do with
what they want and what they'rewilling to do.
In my honest opinion, thebetter you want it and the more
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dedicated you are to getting it,the quicker you'll pick it up,
because I can sit up and say, oh, six months to a year, right,
that's usually a goodguesstimated time for, yeah,
ballpark figure.
But hey, man, this has beenless than three months that I've
had this young lady and she'spicking up.
So it, you know, she literallyyou know.
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When she got done with the fivesessions, she came to me like I
want 20.
I was like I was like okay, Isaid, well, let me see what we
can do.
And she's like well, how muchwould that be?
I was like, give me a minutehold on.
And you know I gave her the.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know the amount, baby, let's do business, so it
sounds like it starts with themotivation, then is is kind of
where it starts up here and italways starts here.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
See, if you want it, you'll get it.
It's not see a lot of like like, yes, six months to a year,
that's a good estimate, goodguesstimated time to you know,
to you know to you know to, tothe gauge that you'll pick up
the skills.
But here's the thing Are youshowing up on the days that
you're supposed to be there?
And, more importantly, are youpracticing on your own when I'm
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not around?
Are you following the, theregimen I give you to take home
with you?
That's the key.
It's not when you're with me,it's when I give you the
homework and I say, okay, takethis home with you, okay, okay.
And I clearly saw that she wasdoing it.
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Now she was a littleself-conscious about it because
she would come back to me, likeevery time I'm in the gym.
People look at me weird and Isaid what do you want?
Well, I want to get better.
Okay, so stop worrying aboutwhat everybody else is looking
at.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, they're looking at you.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They might be looking at you because they're they're
respecting what you're doing.
They may be looking at youbecause they may want to make
fun.
Who gives it?
Who gives a darn?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
right, I totally agree.
Who gives it?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Who cares?
You know you're doing it, notthem Period.
Point blank plain is simple.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Another question I had here for the audience,
because we've spent a lot oftime J and in this episode kind
of talking about the mentals,that kind of go with that and
that's not a shot.
And no, no matter if you'retaking the ozampic or whatever
people are taking that shot,that's not affecting their
mental.
They still have that.
They still have that mentalsituation.
So for for the audience Do youhave any tips for helping to
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train that mental, the helpingto to have that discipline?
What worked for you?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well, for me, when I first got into mixed martial
arts and kickboxing, in allhonesty, I did it because I was
going to school at the time andI was at Chicago State and I
needed an outlet.
Right, I needed an outlet tohelp me kind of clear my head
and so I can get my homeworkdone, and I just felt like it
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was.
It was a good outlet for me.
So I remember I took the trialclasses like only, or like only
a half hour and I would do it,and I remember this one time I
was having trouble getting thishomework assignment done.
So I actually went to go trainand when I came back I finished
the assignment, no problem.
So for me it was just, I Wasalways self, it was self
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motivation.
And then, you know, I don'twant to just give it all to, you
know, the combat sports,because I used to run track in
high school and I kept up withthe running, you know, and stuff
like that through my college.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, man, a lot of people struggle with that alone,
jay, like that Running is hardto keep up with for a lot of
people.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I got a dumb reason behind why I joined the track
team, but I'll save that forlater.
But it's the dumbest reasonever, man.
Okay, you know those lettersthat you get for you ever check
you're on in high school.
Well, I for some reason lovethe whole Achilles foot with the
wing on it.
I said, dude.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I gotta have that.
That was the only.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You know the letter wing and I was like the dumbest
reason.
I was like that was my reason,but I kept up with running and
then, of course, I added liftingweights to my, my regimen.
I got tired of being small.
I got tired of being not asmuscular, you know, and I
thought at the time, during,especially during all through my
college years, of more muscularI am, the more intimidating
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I'll look people.
Leave me alone.
I was very wrong about that, bythe way, but but that was just
my thought process.
It's like I gotta lift weights,I gotta get bigger, gotta get
stronger, gotta get, you know,whatever.
But I just I wanted to Bephysically fit and I wanted to
feel good about myself.
So I did something about it.
You know, I did something aboutit and I wanted to be able to
(26:31):
feel more capable of, you know,whatever situation I put myself
in.
Because I mean, let's face it,whatever situation that you're
new to, the first thing I wouldthink of it can't blame anybody
else, can't point my fingeranybody else, but the first
thing I think of it am Iphysically fit enough to get
through this?
(26:54):
And Nine times I tend, usuallymost of the new stuff I try, you
know, like you know, let's say,for instance, just for this
example, like rock climbing orsomething like that, you got to
be in some good shape to do that.
You know, your hands gotta havea good grip and stuff like that,
and your hands have to have agood grip and jujitsu as well,
you know, or something like that.
So it's like, okay, do you livewhites, do you?
(27:17):
You know?
Do you train your body to be,you know, physically strong in
some areas, whatever like that,because what may help you in one
area may help you in another,you know, whatever like that.
So it's just, I always felt itwas good to at least have you
know the, the physicality for tobring to the table when,
whatever it is that I did, thatwas for me and my you know, my
(27:41):
you know psychology of a youknow approach to anything as far
as, okay, I'm physically fit.
I may not be physically fit ahundred percent for this
particular thing, but I'm notfrail, I'm not too big, not
coming from zero base, exactlyexactly.
I'm not like you know, just youknow, crazy out of shape or
(28:02):
whatever like that, to the pointwhere it's just like I'm not.
There's no way in the world Ican do this or something like
that.
And I Remember I got my firsttaste of that as far as being
Physically fit for something,was when I became a lifeguard on
the beach Back in I think itwas 2003 and we had just went
out to the buoys and I was alittle scared, because I
(28:24):
remember my brother's firstexperience when he had just went
out there.
He didn't feel confident aboutit.
But then I remember my dad toldme he says well, your situation
is a little different.
You've been lifting weights andrunning and swimming for a
minute and your brother wascompletely like brand new to it.
He wasn't lifting weights, hewasn't running track, he wasn't
doing what you were doing.
So when I swam out to the buoy,what would surprise me was how
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I wasn't out of breath, I wasn'tout of shape, I wasn't.
You know, I wasn't like, I wascompletely exhausted, you know,
I depleted or anything like that.
And All at once, in that sameday, when I got out to the buoy,
I was like I made it.
I did it and on the next thing,I know it became one of the
(29:09):
best summers ever of my life andyou know it was because I've.
You know, I faced something, Idid something, and that's what
this and that's what sport doesfor you.
It it helps you face your, yourfears in some way shape or form
.
It helps you face yourself andwhat you truly capable of versus
what we think we're capable ofand what we think we're not
(29:31):
capable of.
You know, and in combat sportseven more so, because this ain't
true.
I don't know what is man.
You know, you, we always worryabout where we are in the
pecking order of the world Am.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I one of the strong.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Am I one of the strong or am I one of the weak?
And nobody wants to be lookedupon?
I don't care who you are,nobody wants to be looking on a
week.
You'll be looked at as a sheep.
You won't be the wolf.
You know.
I said you want to be the lion.
You know you don't want to bethe hyena.
You know I'm saying you want youknow, I mean you want to be
known as I'm top outfit, youknow, or whatever like that.
(30:08):
And there's times where youknow, and there's always a top
dog, there's always, you know,the top of the food chain or
whatever like that.
There's always somebody who'sin the middle or whatever.
So, you know, you always worryabout who who's who in that, so
that there's a little bit ofworry there.
And the thing about it is, youknow, gotta exit that out your
(30:29):
brain, just like you know what.
For now, why don't we just getthe fundamentals?
Why don't we just, baby steps,baby steps, just worry about you
?
You know, that's that's whatCombat sports have done for me.
It just made me confident.
And you know a lot of areas inmy life, you know, but don't get
me wrong, I still haveshortcomings.
I still have.
I still have, you know, flawsand stuff like that that I need
(30:54):
to always Constantly work on,you know, and stuff I need to
hold myself accountable for, inthe sense where it's like, okay,
I came up short on that and Ineed to fix that and I need to
do this and I need to, you know.
So it's, it's just one of thosethings well, you know, it's I.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I feel like it's a lifelong process, man.
I don't know if I'm ever as.
I used to think that when I wasyounger that I get to a certain
age and things to be complete.
You know I'm not beat the gameof life.
I'm kind of like riding offinto the sunset.
And as I've aged and gottenolder I know that it's.
It's a it's life is way morefluent.
It's a constant adjustment,it's a constant testing of self
(31:34):
and I definitely appreciate youtaking some time out here, Jay.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I'm not a problem.
I appreciate you always have me, brother.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
You got it, my friend , this Reggie HL, check us out.
Stay, try her radio, googlepodcast, apple podcast,
butterfly, wherever you findyour podcast.
See you next time, guys,alright brother what do you get
into for the rest of your day?
All right, boom.
So I'm a tail coming to youfrom love city of Atlanta,
georgia, going out to the windycity of Chicago with J HenryJ.
What's up, how's it going bro?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What's up, man?
Are you doing brother?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Always a pleasure, man.
Always a pleasure, life'salways like what's like?
What's like.
You know, there's this newthing.
I'm not sure if you heard aboutthis, jay, but there's this new
.
I wouldn't say it's exactly new, because it's been popping like
a last couple years and youknow what a lot of these drugs.
Sometimes they've been in apipeline for a long time but you
don't start to hear about themuntil people really start to
kind of take them a lot.
So there's this drug calledZinpeck.
(00:34):
You heard of that I.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Don't you know.
Thankfully I don't flow in thatworld like that as far as, like
you know, performanceenhancement drugs, the you know
I've heard of HGH stack.
I've heard of, you know,anabolic stuff, heard of you
know, trt, you know, and stufflike that.
But I don't, I don't dabble toodeep in that world because I
(00:59):
don't, I don't partake in that,I don't partake in that, you
know.
And then using those substancesand stuff like that, I mean I
know some of them can be ourlegal and our beneficial to you
know Guys who are getting olderand they, you know, they're
trying to get, you know, energyand you know state, muscular,
stay, looking good and stufflike that.
But I've just, I haven't neededit yet I don't have a you know
(01:21):
I need for, yet I don't see youdoing it yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I don't you ever really get into this, because
this is like more of like aweight loss drug, so it's like a
shot.
So it was a drug that that wasoriginally invented, I think,
for like type 2 diabetes, forpeople who can.
I guess I don't know if theywere, like Morbally obese,
because you know, when it comesto like that obese game J,
there's levels to it, right,like you have, like the people
that are like 600 pounds, 400pounds, 200 pounds, and it kind
(01:47):
of comes down, down and down.
So originally it was a designfor people like that in that
range.
But of course skinnier peoplesaw that yo, I can take a shot
and now I can lose weight and Idon't have to actually go to the
gym.
So skinnier people startedusing those impact to try to try
to Get the results.
Because you know J it's beenvery popular in our lifetime To
(02:11):
try to come up with a pill orthe quick solution, bro, like
you could just take a pill, youdon't have to go to the gym, bro
, you could take a pill and thennow your weight just dropping
off of you, you don't have to doanything, and his impact is
actually a shot, and it's becomevery popular with a lot of
people here now the the reason Iwanted to have this subject
review because you're a trainee,you know you do like fight
(02:33):
training and stuff like that, soyou the gym was like secondary
to your life, so to speak,versus a lot of people who may
see a gym two times this decadefor a lot of people.
Yeah, so for for, we're gonnatalk about a couple of things
here, because, being when peoplecome to you, I know they come
to you for a very specificreason.
They're coming to you to trainfor for is that boxing, ufc
(02:57):
fights?
Is it just like?
Boxing is kind of where your mymain focus is just boxing.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I have tapped into more like For a couple of ladies
, self defense, you know, so in.
You know, and I have a you knowa background in training and
kickboxing and a little bit ofyou know just Translating that
into what that would be if itwas just, you know, someone
fighting to survive as opposedto someone fighting for
(03:25):
competition.
So you know I'll dabble in that.
I'm not certified in Crop McGar.
I'm not certified in you know,hand to hand combat or Casey or
something you know of thatstandard where it's just simply
all, all, just purelyself-defense.
You know, my, my fundamental,my USA certified a green level
boxing coach, that's.
(03:45):
That's me right there throughand through, and so a lot of
people come to me to get thefundamentals of.
You know what it means to be,you know be a boxer and you know
picking up some kind of skills,self-defense, and then
sometimes what people like to dois they like to branch out from
.
You know, because I do havethis one client where she, she,
(04:07):
she weight lifts every day, shedoes strength training and
weightlifting every day and she,you know, she dropped a hundred
pounds because of it and nowshe, she wanted to expand.
She's been with me for quite awhile now as far as in months
and time.
She paid for 20 sessions.
She's down to her last three.
She enjoys it.
You know she enjoys challengingherself and, and you know, just
(04:30):
being diverse with her fitness.
You know she wants to continueto grow and I Appreciate that
from any client that I get.
Where they're, they're there,they put in the time, they put
in the work.
You know, even if they make aplane a little bit or whatever
like that, they know they stillcame there to do the work and
stuff like that and shedefinitely, she definitely does
(04:51):
that.
So I definitely salute her withboth hands and ensure the
respect For the fact that she's,you know and listen, much
credit to her.
You know, when she paid forthose 20 lessons, she showed up
at the time she was supposed tobe there.
She always gave me a heads upif she wasn't gonna be there,
which was very little timeswhere she, you know Dropping
sessions and I can't do it orsomething like that.
(05:13):
So you know you talked aboutand I mentioned that because you
talked about how people arealways, especially in this era-
and even earlier before, I wantto say 10 years earlier.
People are still just lookingfor instant gratification.
Yeah, man, quick.
You know, like a court, likelike, yeah, like a quarter zone
shot.
You know it's like, yes, massthe pain, mass the pain, and I
(05:36):
really feel like that's my,that's the wrong way to go, you
know it's.
It's like, you know, when yousay about these people who are
500, 600 pounds and you know,here's my thing, I try not to
ever Judge someone's situation.
You know, I really do my bestnot to judge someone's situation
, but you didn't come out thewomb.
(05:59):
500 pounds work.
You know.
No, no offense to your mother,but she wouldn't have lived.
You know.
You know you don't come out thewomb 800,000.
You know I'm saying you don'tcome out like that.
So what was the?
Yes, you were probably big, butwhat was going on?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
other habits, Right, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I'm saying like I listen, there are very there
endomorphic people out there.
They're naturally big peopleout there, no question, but it's
up to you of what you intake.
You know and I understandeverybody's life is different
and everybody does somethingdifferent.
But I can't roll with it ahundred percent.
I can't make that the soleexcuse for everyone, a hundred
(06:40):
percent.
You know, because you have achoice and being in the fitness
circle, you know fitnesscommunity.
You know you get all kinds ofpeople that they do this, you
know, but they not, they notactually running, and you know
lifting and All day, but butdon't want to put in the work is
(07:00):
basically what you're saying,and and get away from me.
You're toxic to me.
You know no offense, but youknow just like get away from me.
I don't want to do, I don't, Idon't want to.
I don't want to hear you in myear talking about what you want
to do and you know, and what you, what you think you're capable
of about.
Show me, show me, you know whatare you doing to motivate
(07:22):
people like that, dave?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
because I know that when people come to you for that
there's a certain it's kind oflike in any schooling.
There's like a prerequisite youmay need to go into another
field, right?
So if you're a doctor, maybeyou need a prerequisite in other
medical fields before you gointo specialization.
And I would imagine if you'regonna be training for, for
fighting or any other type oftraining, there's probably a
physical prerequisite there that, or at least a minimal of
(07:44):
physical shape you would have tobe in before you move to that
next step.
How do you, how do you startthis?
You say it starts with themental starts.
You start training their mentalbefore you start training their
physicals.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Here's the here's the thing you can come in out of
shape scanning, big, whatever.
What are you trying toaccomplish?
You see, I'm saying what'swhat's in here is gonna get you
through, because you may not bein the greatest of shape, you
may not be big or you may be toosmall or whatever like that.
I had a guy when he had a lotof anxiety issues, where he was
(08:19):
always afraid of trying newthings, especially something
physical.
When I met him he was a veryyou know slim guy, wasn't very
athletic.
So I'm around the time that Ibooked his session, it couldn't
have been better, because aroundthe time that he would come in,
hardly anyone would be there.
So the first thing was he gotto come to the gym.
(08:40):
See the gym, open space, not alot of energy in that meaning
you don't know about.
He's sparring, not a lot ofyelling.
You know it was just perfectbecause he got to just have a
one-on-one session with me andrealize that it's it's.
You know, boxing or any combatsport in the beginning is very
(09:02):
simple.
You got to learn your stance,your center of gravity, you got
to have a foundation.
You're learning how to you knowwalk a certain way, punch a
certain way.
If in kickboxing kick a certainway, you know to keep, maintain
your balance, but you know tobe effective.
You know, and all of this andall honesty is boring in the
(09:25):
beginning, is nothing isexciting about it.
But but there's what the key tothat is do you have the
patience to learn what needs tobe learned before you get into
all the stuff that you see onYouTube?
Or when you walk into a gym andyou see the guys or the women
that are experienced in italready, who have been doing it
(09:46):
for a while, and you see them atan advanced level, and I think
that's the thing some people getintimidated by that.
Well, what happened with him washis wife, because no, I'm sorry
.
So what happened with him washe paid for a session and then
he wasn't gonna come in and Iactually for some reason I don't
normally always do this, but Itexted him.
(10:07):
I'm like, hey, man, you areright, because he actually said
look man, I ain't gonna be ableto come in.
I can tell it was fear, it wasreally of him, not what.
Yeah, no, no, what gave youthat?
what gave you that impressionwhen someone wants to do
something and you know they payfor it.
They put a down payment on it,they lock themselves in and then
(10:30):
all of a sudden, yeah, I foundsomething else.
You know I'm good.
First, the first thing thatcomes in, people say, especially
with combat sports, they don'twant to get hurt.
I see you see I'm saying theyare they are they, will they
automatically think they'regonna throw me in the ring with
some killer and I'm gonna die?
And I constantly have toreassure people, like especially
(10:53):
at least with me.
I can't speak for any othercoach.
I'm not gonna do that.
You know, that's that, first ofall.
That's not what we do here.
You know that that's not our MO.
You know our thing is.
I said listen, if you have anathletic background and you
catch on to things quick, great,awesome, yeah, I mean we can
(11:14):
definitely move you along a lotquicker.
If you have no skills, guesswhat I say to that even better.
Because the ones that I getthat are athletic.
Sometimes they know everything.
Okay, they, you know they.
They sometimes they can bemister, and this is no at all,
and that that can be a job initself for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
So see that in a lot of professions.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, oh, my god.
But with this guy it was justmore.
He was being apprehensivebecause he wasn't sure about
himself and he wasn't used totrying new things and I just,
and I used to be like that.
That's another reason whyidentified it.
I used to be that way when Iwas younger, when I, you know, I
wanted I would see stuff on TV,I want to try it out.
But you know, I didn't want toput in the dedication.
(12:01):
I was laziness as well as fearof putting myself in an
environment that I had no clueabout.
So people can become very, youknow, quick to be dismissive of
something that they don'tunderstand, because of fear you
know they'll make, they'll callit something else, but it's just
fear.
And so I said I'm not saying,hey, man, are you all right?
(12:22):
Why don't you come through andjust check it out or whatever
like that?
So he came through his wife,who I should be thanking.
Actually I never met her, butshe basically encouraged and
look, you should go, and hetried it out, got through it.
You know I started very slowwith him.
You know I didn't do anythingtoo hardcore with him because I
(12:43):
didn't want to scare him off.
Scare him off for sure.
Yeah, you know, and stuff likethat.
But he got through it and thenhe ended up paying for four
sessions Out of those foursessions.
He did too.
I think maybe the fear got backto him again because you know,
he texted me.
God bless him, he did text meand he says you know, amen, I
found something else I wouldlike to do and thank you for all
(13:03):
your help and your support,because I would always push him
and I always say amen, you cando it, you know, you got this,
you know or whatever like that.
So I think sometimes you know,even in combat sports, I think
it goes beyond just the fightingaspect of it.
For a lot of people it's justconfidence, you know, a
confidence booster, and it's notso much that they will become a
(13:25):
professional fighter oranything like that.
It's something where and thisis going beyond the sport of it
it's just more of the psychologyof it, where when you push
yourself in something physicallet's be honest, your personal
life you start looking at alittle bit more differently.
(13:46):
Because now you know, when youpush yourself to get that extra
mile in in the run, or you pushyourself to go another round on
the bag or the focus mitts, oryou know, get those sit-ups in
or those push-ups in, you startfeeling like you know you'll see
the difference.
Or in any sports you get tokickboxing, mixed martial arts,
whatever you know, you'll see achange in people with, like I
(14:10):
deserve a raise, right, or hey,I'm taking this week off, no
questions about it.
You know, I'm going to put inmy papers and I'm taking this
week off and we're going onvacation.
I need some me time.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Do you think that makes them more assertive?
Or in other parts of their life?
Is that what you feel like oneof the things that happened from
a mental perspective?
Well, that that's kind of notreally advertised to a lot of
people.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Absolutely See, but I think that's that's, that's
part of something that you findfor yourself.
You know it's listen.
When I first got into trainingpeople, I was very like, how do
I do this?
And you know, I was, you know,nice guy, and not to say I'm not
a nice guy now, but I just kindof learn how to put my foot
down with more situations asopposed to just accepting what
(15:03):
is or whatever.
And that's that's part of ourgrowth process and whatever it
is that we're going through.
I'm sure you had your growthprocess with you just got
started with your podcast andyou know your business and
everything like that.
So you know it's a learning, youknow that's that learning curve
that we all go through, youknow.
But once we get it, you know we, we look at things differently.
(15:26):
You know, we have a differentperspective on things we have,
and then we have a newfoundrespect for ourselves, we value
ourselves more.
And that's what and, in myhonest opinion, that's what
combat sports does for people isit makes you realize you are a
value, you do have something tocontribute, you are worthy, you
(15:46):
are.
You know you do havecapabilities.
That you know, because a lot ofpeople are people.
Sometimes, why I'm not the mostathletically talented Doesn't
matter.
Are you willing to put in thework?
Yes, okay, then you deserve it,like anyone else deserves it.
Just put in the work, show up,do what needs to be done, even
on the days that you don't wantto be here.
(16:06):
You showed up.
You could have been anywhereelse, but you're here.
You could have been having icecream and pizza and burgers, but
you're here.
You could have.
You know you could have been athome.
Which?
Watching a binge, watching aNetflix show, or who?
Who of Amazon?
You're here.
You know what I'm saying.
You're putting in the timeyou're putting in the dedication
(16:27):
you're sacrificing with thebetter because you want to see
something different and, as youwere talking about earlier, but
all the people who are doing theinstant gratification what it
is is they want results but theydon't want to work for it.
You know it's it's sad, buttrue.
You got a lot of people and you, but then here's the.
(16:47):
The messed up part about that isthat they can't really
genuinely feel good aboutthemselves because they really
didn't put in the work.
If you notice people who workout not even just not boxing or
combat, but just people who workout and take care of themselves
.
If you notice even especiallynowadays on the IG people who
work out and they do like, posta vacations that they take and
(17:11):
times they spend with theirfamilies and they're really
enjoying themselves.
If you notice that they reallyenjoy themselves because for
every family friendly friend,you know social posts that they
make when they go to a concertor when they go out and they're
partying or they actually havefun.
Well, look at the work they'redoing, you know.
(17:33):
Look at, look at the the, theamount of work that they're
putting in the gym, the amountof work they're putting in their
business.
They are.
They're truly genuinelyenjoying themselves because of
the honest work that they theyput in every day.
And, let's be honest, honestwork isn't always, you know,
easy, right, so you know.
(17:56):
So I don't know what happened,but okay.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah, you know.
So the more honest work you putin, the more you appreciate the
downtime you get, because it'slike man, I really get to enjoy
myself, I really get to enjoythe fruits of my labor.
And the other thing about it isthat about any combat sport is
that when you leave, let's sayyou go in, you're having a
(18:39):
crappy day, and then you go inand you go train, and the way I
train people, I would hope tothink that when they leave my
class, my session, their mind isclear, matter of fact.
There ain't anything aboutnothing, but maybe just getting
some water.
But then you know all thatstuff that was jumbled in their
(19:00):
head bills, their girlfriend,their wife, their kids.
You know what am I going to dothis?
How am I going to run thisbusiness?
How am I?
You know this personal stuffAll of a sudden?
Well, that's, that was simple.
All I had to do is this let mego talk to such and such about
this and things become wayclearer.
Man, listen, a lot of clear,listen.
(19:22):
I get that same way when I'mdone training in kickbox.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, me too.
Me too, I can say the samething when I work out.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
It just gets the BS out of you.
It's like, okay, all I gotta dois this, and all I gotta do is
this.
Simple, that's it so all Igotta do today is finish that
statement.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Jayden, I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
That's it, that's it.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I'm good, go ahead.
I'm good for the audience hereactually both are kind of for
audience.
But when you, when a personcomes into you from scratch, jay
, and they are wanting to get toa certain level, but they come
in they don't really have anyworkout experience having, they
don't go really ever go to thegym.
How long is it taking from thattime that they for that first
(20:06):
initial session to them actuallyturning a page from a physical
standpoint is like a year of aperson kind of hitting the gym
from from the couch.
Let's say you go on from thecouch to the gym.
How long is it going to takeyou before you can kind of get
conditioned I guess is the wordI'm looking for before you can
kind of get conditioned?
I know it can vary from personto person.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, and it also varies on what they're
paying for, like, if they'repaying for, you know, a package
deal like let's say they want,because I usually the minimum I
usually tell them about is foursessions or five sessions.
You know, I think it's in myhonest and personal opinion,
it's it's really on them.
(20:48):
You know, like this, the oneclient I told you that I had the
young lady who she works out onher own.
And then, okay, here's thefunny part about this, and this
is what I truly believe themwhen I first met the young lady
who's training her butt offright now, she saw my rates and
(21:08):
she paid.
This is like the first clientI've ever had.
We're out the gate.
She paid for five sessionsstraight and what I mean.
But, yeah, exactly.
So it's like it has nothing todo with me, it has to do with
what they want and what they'rewilling to do.
In my honest opinion, thebetter you want it and the more
(21:31):
dedicated you are to getting it,the quicker you'll pick it up,
because I can sit up and say, oh, six months to a year, right,
that's usually a goodguesstimated time for, yeah,
ballpark figure.
But hey, man, this has beenless than three months that I've
had this young lady and she'spicking up.
So it, you know, she literallyyou know.
(21:54):
When she got done with the fivesessions, she came to me like I
want 20.
I was like I was like okay, Isaid, well, let me see what we
can do.
And she's like well, how muchwould that be?
I was like, give me a minutehold on.
And you know I gave her the.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know the amount, baby, let's do business, so it
sounds like it starts with themotivation, then is is kind of
where it starts up here and italways starts here.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
See, if you want it, you'll get it.
It's not see a lot of like like, yes, six months to a year,
that's a good estimate, goodguesstimated time to you know,
to you know to you know to, tothe gauge that you'll pick up
the skills.
But here's the thing Are youshowing up on the days that
you're supposed to be there?
And, more importantly, are youpracticing on your own when I'm
(22:50):
not around?
Are you following the, theregimen I give you to take home
with you?
That's the key.
It's not when you're with me,it's when I give you the
homework and I say, okay, takethis home with you, okay, okay.
And I clearly saw that she wasdoing it.
(23:12):
Now she was a littleself-conscious about it because
she would come back to me, likeevery time I'm in the gym.
People look at me weird and Isaid what do you want?
Well, I want to get better.
Okay, so stop worrying aboutwhat everybody else is looking
at.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, they're looking at you.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
They might be looking at you because they're they're
respecting what you're doing.
They may be looking at youbecause they may want to make
fun.
Who gives it?
Who gives a darn?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
right, I totally agree.
Who gives it?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Who cares?
You know you're doing it, notthem Period.
Point blank plain is simple.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Another question I had here for the audience,
because we've spent a lot oftime J and in this episode kind
of talking about the mentals,that kind of go with that and
that's not a shot.
And no, no matter if you'retaking the ozampic or whatever
people are taking that shot,that's not affecting their
mental.
They still have that.
They still have that mentalsituation.
So for for the audience Do youhave any tips for helping to
(24:11):
train that mental, the helpingto to have that discipline?
What worked for you?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Well, for me, when I first got into mixed martial
arts and kickboxing, in allhonesty, I did it because I was
going to school at the time andI was at Chicago State and I
needed an outlet.
Right, I needed an outlet tohelp me kind of clear my head
and so I can get my homeworkdone, and I just felt like it
(24:41):
was.
It was a good outlet for me.
So I remember I took the trialclasses like only, or like only
a half hour and I would do it,and I remember this one time I
was having trouble getting thishomework assignment done.
So I actually went to go trainand when I came back I finished
the assignment, no problem.
So for me it was just, I Wasalways self, it was self
(25:04):
motivation.
And then, you know, I don'twant to just give it all to, you
know, the combat sports,because I used to run track in
high school and I kept up withthe running, you know, and stuff
like that through my college.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Yeah, man, a lot of people struggle with that alone,
jay, like that Running is hardto keep up with for a lot of
people.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I got a dumb reason behind why I joined the track
team, but I'll save that forlater.
But it's the dumbest reasonever, man.
Okay, you know those lettersthat you get for you ever check
you're on in high school.
Well, I for some reason lovethe whole Achilles foot with the
wing on it.
I said, dude.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I gotta have that.
That was the only.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
You know the letter wing and I was like the dumbest
reason.
I was like that was my reason,but I kept up with running and
then, of course, I added liftingweights to my, my regimen.
I got tired of being small.
I got tired of being not asmuscular, you know, and I
thought at the time, during,especially during all through my
college years, of more muscularI am, the more intimidating
(26:08):
I'll look people.
Leave me alone.
I was very wrong about that, bythe way, but but that was just
my thought process.
It's like I gotta lift weights,I gotta get bigger, gotta get
stronger, gotta get, you know,whatever.
But I just I wanted to Bephysically fit and I wanted to
feel good about myself.
So I did something about it.
You know, I did something aboutit and I wanted to be able to
(26:31):
feel more capable of, you know,whatever situation I put myself
in.
Because I mean, let's face it,whatever situation that you're
new to, the first thing I wouldthink of it can't blame anybody
else, can't point my fingeranybody else, but the first
thing I think of it am Iphysically fit enough to get
through this?
(26:54):
And Nine times I tend, usuallymost of the new stuff I try, you
know, like you know, let's say,for instance, just for this
example, like rock climbing orsomething like that, you got to
be in some good shape to do that.
You know, your hands gotta havea good grip and stuff like that,
and your hands have to have agood grip and jujitsu as well,
you know, or something like that.
So it's like, okay, do you livewhites, do you?
(27:17):
You know?
Do you train your body to be,you know, physically strong in
some areas, whatever like that,because what may help you in one
area may help you in another,you know, whatever like that.
So it's just, I always felt itwas good to at least have you
know the, the physicality for tobring to the table when,
whatever it is that I did, thatwas for me and my you know, my
(27:41):
you know psychology of a youknow approach to anything as far
as, okay, I'm physically fit.
I may not be physically fit ahundred percent for this
particular thing, but I'm notfrail, I'm not too big, not
coming from zero base, exactlyexactly.
I'm not like you know, just youknow, crazy out of shape or
(28:02):
whatever like that, to the pointwhere it's just like I'm not.
There's no way in the world Ican do this or something like
that.
And I Remember I got my firsttaste of that as far as being
Physically fit for something,was when I became a lifeguard on
the beach Back in I think itwas 2003 and we had just went
out to the buoys and I was alittle scared, because I
(28:24):
remember my brother's firstexperience when he had just went
out there.
He didn't feel confident aboutit.
But then I remember my dad toldme he says well, your situation
is a little different.
You've been lifting weights andrunning and swimming for a
minute and your brother wascompletely like brand new to it.
He wasn't lifting weights, hewasn't running track, he wasn't
doing what you were doing.
So when I swam out to the buoy,what would surprise me was how
(28:49):
I wasn't out of breath, I wasn'tout of shape, I wasn't.
You know, I wasn't like, I wascompletely exhausted, you know,
I depleted or anything like that.
And All at once, in that sameday, when I got out to the buoy,
I was like I made it.
I did it and on the next thing,I know it became one of the
(29:09):
best summers ever of my life andyou know it was because I've.
You know, I faced something, Idid something, and that's what
this and that's what sport doesfor you.
It it helps you face your, yourfears in some way shape or form
.
It helps you face yourself andwhat you truly capable of versus
what we think we're capable ofand what we think we're not
(29:31):
capable of.
You know, and in combat sportseven more so, because this ain't
true.
I don't know what is man.
You know, you, we always worryabout where we are in the
pecking order of the world Am.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I one of the strong.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Am I one of the strong or am I one of the weak?
And nobody wants to be lookedupon?
I don't care who you are,nobody wants to be looking on a
week.
You'll be looked at as a sheep.
You won't be the wolf.
You know.
I said you want to be the lion.
You know you don't want to bethe hyena.
You know I'm saying you want youknow, I mean you want to be
known as I'm top outfit, youknow, or whatever like that.
(30:08):
And there's times where youknow, and there's always a top
dog, there's always, you know,the top of the food chain or
whatever like that.
There's always somebody who'sin the middle or whatever.
So, you know, you always worryabout who who's who in that, so
that there's a little bit ofworry there.
And the thing about it is, youknow, gotta exit that out your
(30:29):
brain, just like you know what.
For now, why don't we just getthe fundamentals?
Why don't we just, baby steps,baby steps, just worry about you
?
You know, that's that's whatCombat sports have done for me.
It just made me confident.
And you know a lot of areas inmy life, you know, but don't get
me wrong, I still haveshortcomings.
I still have.
I still have, you know, flawsand stuff like that that I need
(30:54):
to always Constantly work on,you know, and stuff I need to
hold myself accountable for, inthe sense where it's like, okay,
I came up short on that and Ineed to fix that and I need to
do this and I need to, you know.
So it's, it's just one of thosethings well, you know, it's I.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I feel like it's a lifelong process, man.
I don't know if I'm ever as.
I used to think that when I wasyounger that I get to a certain
age and things to be complete.
You know I'm not beat the gameof life.
I'm kind of like riding offinto the sunset.
And as I've aged and gottenolder I know that it's.
It's a it's life is way morefluent.
It's a constant adjustment,it's a constant testing of self
(31:34):
and I definitely appreciate youtaking some time out here, Jay.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I'm not a problem.
I appreciate you always have me, brother.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
You got it, my friend , this Reggie HL, check us out.
Stay, try her radio, googlepodcast, apple podcast,
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See you next time, guys,alright brother what do you get
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