August 23, 2023 • 38 mins
In this episode Reggie and Doug unpack the strategies, personalities, and issues that are shaping the race for the highest office in the land. From the early rumblings of potential candidates to strategic campaign moves, and unexpected twists.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's Reggie ATL, coming to you from the London
City of Atlanta, georgia, goingout to Clinton, indiana, with
Doug Hess.
Doug, how's it going?
It's great, reggie.
Thanks for having me on Alwaysa pleasure man.
We'll take some time out hereand I'm going to go ahead and
get my politics warning.
I feel like, as we're goinginto the 2024 election season, I
should pre-record a politicswarning and just put it at the
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beginning of every show.
Listen, guys, I know we'vetalked about fun subjects.
We might talk about movies,finance, whatever else going on
in the world but we're about todiscuss politics.
It's offensive.
It's like how you give thosenot safe to work or radar or
offensive subject kind of wingsat the beginning of videos.
I feel like I should justpre-record those, because we're
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going to have more of theseconversations.
We'll call this the state ofthe race and this is going to be
our first day of the raceepisode, because it's very early
in the race.
There really is only one race,to be honest, with you, the
Democrats.
That's kind of boring, unlessyou count RFK Jr, which I don't
really count him at thisparticular point in time.
Are you familiar with RFK Jrand what he's been out there
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talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Absolutely.
Obviously, I'm followingbecause both of us are political
junkies.
I'm following both sides of it.
I really believe, as we getcloser and closer to the first
primary in January, which isonly four months away, which is
crazy I think there's going tobe several others that's going
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to jump in besides RFK Jr.
I think you're also going tosee, probably the governor of
California on the Democrat sidejump in, jumping in to try to
run for president.
Yes, absolutely.
Wow, that'll be interesting.
I think you're going to seethose too.
I'm not 100% sure Biden's goingto run, I mean, I mean no
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disrespect to the president, butsome of the gaps and some of
the things that he is doing is,I think, making some Democrats
uncomfortable as well.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I think there's a big trap here to a certain degree.
I'm going to explain to youwhat I mean.
The trap comes in, in myopinion, Doug, when people look
at, because this happens everysingle election cycle.
Americans are disenchanted withtheir choices.
They don't like either choice.
They don't like, in thisparticular case, we'll say Trump
, because Trump's front runner,but it could be dissent or
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whatever they don't like.
they don't want to, because Ithink the survey done was like
Americans don't want Trump orBiden, they just want something
fresh.
This is something we hear goinginto every election cycle and
it ends up still being theDemocratic and it still ends up
being the two.
right, you got a guy who saysI'm going to run third party
because we need another choice.
Well, good luck with that.
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Tell you how that's gone thelast 200 years.
It has not worked out.
I don't think it's going towork out this time either.
I just don't.
I can tell the money followsthose hearts, because people
have their heart and what theyexpress, right, right.
But then they either they stillgive to the RNC or the DNC.
They still give to the samemachines that are giving them
the same choices all the time.
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There's no LNC, there's nolibertarian national Was it
convention?
Or I'm not sure if that's whatthe C stands for.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Right.
Well, I think there isconventions, but they just don't
have the clout that the othertwo have in.
The system is, in a way, kindof rigged for just the two
parties.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Correct, correct and Doug.
Do you see that changing thistime around?
Like, as much as people saythey're disenchanted with these
two choices, do you see any kindof realistic hope for a third
choice?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
No.
Well, let me clarify that andsay the short answer is no.
The long answer is I'm not sosure.
One of the two sides is aDemocrat or Republican isn't
hoping for a third party?
Oh, I think they're.
Both are.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And they're both hoping they take the mood from
the other guy.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Absolutely so.
So in realistically no, a thirdparty isn't going to happen.
But I think privately bothsides are saying yeah more than
Marrior.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, absolutely they're looking for.
Maybe get to a plurality typesituation right Like yeah and.
I could see that and it justsounds.
I'm not trying to like rain onanybody's parade here, but it
just sounds way too aspirationalto me.
Like it.
Until I see somethingstatistically Doug that backs
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that notion that that there canlegitimately be a third choice
that legitimately has a shot atwinning the race, then I don't
see, I don't.
I mean, you're just gonna takevotes from somebody.
Yes, that's what you're goingto do, correct, correct, and I
think that get over the line.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
The closest we've ever really seen a third party
was Ross Perot.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Perot yes.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Bush versus Clinton and I think, a lot of cases that
help Clinton get elected.
What was it back in the 80s,1980 wasn't a John Anderson that
ran as a third party candidate.
He was a Republican in Iran,but it really didn't go anywhere
.
To me personally, I think thatwas the birth of the third party
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was with John Anderson Many,many moons ago in the 80s if
I've ever got my dates right, Ibelieve it was in 1980s campaign
Carter versus Reagan, and thatwas really the birth.
And then we probably saw themost serious candidate was Ross
Perot.
But other than those two, you'realways going to have talk.
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I mean, let's face it, Trumpback in the early 80s, 90s I've
got my numbers right when thatoccurred he kind of played
around with the third partycandidate, yeah for sure.
So there has been talk.
There actually has been somesuccess.
If you will, I think Ross Perotwas probably the most
successful as those third partycandidates.
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But right now I just don't seeif the two parties can agree on
anything, on anything out there.
It's that we only need twoparties.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, you're fabulous .
That's a fabulous analysisthere, though, because I am.
I think that's spot on.
I think that there's, ifanything, they want no more
parties, unless they feel likeit's going to hurt the other
party.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's not the party they want.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Interesting is if we talk about because I'm thinking
the Gavin Newsom situation is inchild RFK junior, get out of
here.
That's not happening.
But the Gavin Newsom isinteresting and I think Newsom
does have a shot at I don't.
I don't know if the machinewould get behind him this
particular time, because it'shard to run up against an
incumbent in this party.
It's just difficult to do.
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But I think Newsom is aninteresting thought, kind of how
I thought of Well, let me letme say this the right way I
thought of the sense has been aninteresting shot.
I didn't, I never liked theSanchez.
I always thought I feel thesame way about him now that I
felt about him back then.
But I still looked at it fromoutside.
You know, I look at this fromlike a sports perspective.
I don't need to like teams,analyze the game, so to speak,
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and I thought, hey, you knowhe's, he can be a contender here
if he, you know, made thatdecision.
And I feel the same way aboutNewsom.
I can't do some can be acontender if he decides to make
that decision.
I'm not sure if he's gonna makeit this year or not, but it'd
be interesting to see in whereall the action is right now is
in the Republican Party, got afew people that are jumping in
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and I would say, baby, how manycandidates here?
Let me think here because wehave, before we go over any poll
numbers, you have Trump toSantis Chris.
Hey, what got for gosh, he waseven in the race.
Right, the kid a vivic.
I won't want to butcher hislast name, but he's yeah, he's
in there Mike Pence.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
There as well.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I think he's.
He's man.
I mean, we'll do our.
Do we have a shots here at somepoint in this show?
But I'm a spoiler alert, Idon't think he does, but it's.
It's interesting.
He is in the race.
So when you look at it, howmany of the?
Obviously, but do you thinkgenuinely have a chance?
Maybe there's like three orfour of these guys that didn't
have a chance.
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Now it's very early.
That's why we're sure he stayedin the race episodes that we do
.
It's only episode one of thesebecause gonna be your few of
these, because it's gonna changefor sure.
That's the only thing we knowfor certain.
Right, we know for certainthings will change.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And I'll make my prediction right now for you on
the on the Republican side Ithink it's gonna be Trump.
I really do, and I'm not sayingthat he is the guy.
I'm not saying that I wouldvote for him.
I'm just looking at the earlynumbers and I really think it's
gonna be Trump.
I saw in Iowa where he spokewas it yesterday over in Iowa
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and he had a Really nicefollowing I I just think there's
going to be something there forhim.
Desantis, one of the last timesI looked at one of his crowds
out in Iowa there was like ahandful of people there.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, as a disaster campaign.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Absolutely so.
I really think it's going to beTrump's to lose, and when I say
his to lose, meaning thenomination.
I really believe that he'sgonna be in there.
I'm not so sure, and of course,you probably expect me to say
this From the other side, but Ireally think the race is going
to be For the Democrat side.
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Who is going to?
Because I'm not convinced thatone Biden will be there After
and I don't know they changethis it's not Iowa.
I was not the first caucus thisyear.
Is that right?
Did I hear that?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't know.
I know it's between Iowa andNew Hampshire, right?
Those are the first.
Yeah, that's, that's the twothat people seem to be jockeying
for, at least yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And you know what Iowa and New Hampshire always do
things a little bit different.
I mean, we look about it.
We've seen Steve Forge, we'veseen oh, my cocky bee has won
Out in Iowa before and theseguys have that went on to win
the the presidency.
So I'm not so sure that youdon't see a surprise like an RFG
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junior or Somebody else winningthe Democratic primary out in
Iowa or New Hampshire early.
But I wouldn't say that that'snecessarily an indicator of
what's going to happen long term.
I we know that the Democratshave a history of the super
delegates that helps secureCandidates on the Democrat side.
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So I think there's a lot ofpolitics to play out between now
and November 2024.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
That's for sure.
And, doug, you didn't exactlystep out on a limb there with
that Trump Destroying the fieldright now, and I don't.
It's interesting because thethe the way that I had to look
at that question was definitelymore so of who's got a shot
versus Is Trump gonna win,because that just seems like the
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writing on the wall right nowright, like it just seems like
there's nobody.
That's good.
He's destroying the field,right now.
Yeah, so I do.
You feel like there is a legitshot for for your, your, chris
Christie's and your and let'stalk about Rhonda Santis for a
second, because let's pivot onhim, because I think he
absolutely sucks right now.
This is this is it'sinteresting, doug, because from
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politics, I definitely have my.
I want the Democrats to win.
I make no sure, no, bones about.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I don't hide that yeah but I like the game.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I think I'm gonna watch the game.
I want my team to win everytime they play, but I want to
still watch the game and I'm afan of the process.
You know what I mean absolutely,absolutely, absolutely as well
as I'm watching the game beplayed.
This answers is playing ahorrible game.
He's just playing a horrible,horrible game.
Like for one, I had aconversation with a friend of
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mine from Florida the years andyears and years back and I
remember telling her cuz she wastalking about certain things in
Florida and we're talking aboutelections and things like that
and I remember telling her Isaid, hey, you know, things are
very different in the countrythan they are in Florida, like
the electorate very different inthe country than it is in
Florida, like it's Florida's anoutlier.
You can't use that as likeyou're the bellwether, so to
speak, to feel like, hey, well,if this worked in Florida, it'll
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work here, and I think we'reseeing that play out to a
certain degree.
I don't think his message ofmake America Florida is not
resonating, right, what do youthought on that?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, here's what I'll say that running a state
campaign or a statewide campaignis very different.
I did run in a nationalcampaign, so let me say that,
and I really think the Santas isrunning a state campaign at the
national level instead of anational campaign.
I hope that makes sense to youand your listeners.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's like he hasn't shifted gears to that national
light, and so that's where Ithink he has got stuck a little
bit.
He hasn't made that transition.
And the other thing is, in alot of cases I think he's a
miniature Trump the way that heattacks and goes after, and
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there's only one Trump out there, whether you love him or have
him.
And I think a lot of people arelooking at the Santas as and I
don't mean it as harsh as I'mgetting ready to say is a
second-tier candidate in thestate campaign, in the sense
that there's only one Master,one professional, and the Santas
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is coming across as an amateurVersus the big boy, if that
makes sense to you.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Perfect, because what I'm gonna say here is gonna
kind of echo those thosethoughts.
You can't run as a guy if theguy is in the race, ladies and
gentlemen, right, you cannot runas Trump if Trump is actually
running.
Right, you would have to waittill he's not running to have
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this.
That you can't run as Trump,like when Trump is actually
running.
You would have to run as Trump,like with Trump, not running
2028 campaign, like that youshould have just signed on.
So I'm not gonna run in 2028.
He's.
I'm not a huge fan of Trump, butI will tell you this he did get
disdain to the cross that linein Florida and he and count what
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countless others account wasout because of his popularity.
Sure, he is more popular thanyou guys and I've told you this
for years, doug, he is morepopular than the other guys.
He's just more popular than you.
Whether you hate him, whetheryou love them, they're not as
popular.
So it's kind of like he'sTrump's gonna show up.
Trump can show up anywhere.
And one thing that Trump hasgoing for him Same thing that
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our source nigga had going forhim when he ran for the governor
of Florida Is he was already acelebrity.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
To run up against a celebrity and some of the
Democrats Found us out the hardway because Barack Obama became
a political celebrity.
And it's hard to run up againsta political celebrity and
Barack Obama was gonna be thefirst black president.
That's hard to run againstbecause you can't be that.
You know what I mean.
You can't just turn yourselfinto that.
I remember one of the RememberJohn Edwards wife saying that
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back in the day, like he can'tbe the first black president and
it was taking up all the oxygenin the room at the time because
you can't just transformyourself into that.
And then he became somethingelse to where you became a
politician that becomes acelebrity in Like the same way
that your Mitch McConnell's do.
Some of these put probably someof these politicians that end
up becoming bigger Than thestate, bigger than what they
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represent, because they end upbecoming a name themselves.
And that name, once it becomesa name, is just very hard to
beat.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Except for I'll give you one exception, but I agree
with 100% of what you just said,except one exception with
Hillary Clinton.
I think she she gave BarackObama run for her money, or for
his money, because she waslooking to be the first woman
president, woman president, andshe was favorite, doug.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
She came out the gates.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
She was a fave, yeah, so she had celebrity status, if
we will, political statusstatus, and she was Going to
make history if she would havewon, just as Barack Obama was
doing it as well.
So that's just an example, butthat doesn't happen every day.
I mean, that's in a way, afluke.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
that to To first, if you will, we're running right
and we were running in the samein the same in the same party.
Yeah, and the same party,correct, right.
When you look at here with theRepublicans, and when you look
at how far and away Donald Trumpis more known than the other
individuals running in this raceyeah, race, it's not in day
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like so.
If Trump, trump could show upanywhere, and whether people
hate him or love him, there'smany people who just show up
because he's just Trump, becausehe was already Trump before,
right, so right, he can justshow up and he's been a strong
spin, a celebrity what?
30, 40 years now?
Yeah, so he can just show upanywhere and then have an
audience because he's been acelebrity for four decades.
So, and a no name, a knownquantity, for four decades so
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you know it's been very welllike four years right.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And then feel like you can be.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Trump now.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Absolutely, because he's got 40 years on you, he
does, yeah, yeah, so it's it's.
It's gonna be interesting tosee how this all plays out.
Of course, there's anotherindictment that I, I understand,
is getting ready to drop anytime in Georgia.
That's the Georgia one coming,you know, and I have to ask the
question at some time, at somepoint.
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Does that start to help?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Trump to where people I think it does in the
beginning.
I think it's going to now forsure.
Yeah, people are gonna feellike he has to win to stay out
of jail.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Just stay out of jail but also be like I mean, what
did this guy do really thateverybody's attacking him from
this this, this, this and this.
Some of it sounds silly, someof it people may say is a little
bit more serious and to where,I think, at some point, trump.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Actually, this negativity actually becomes a
positive for him, as it has beenthroughout his political career
.
They that means to be what hashappened here on things that
would be negative for otherpeople.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And some people just have that touch.
It wouldn't help me.
I'd be like Throw him away.
You know, stone aim orsomething right.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, we we'd be put under the jail, or whereas, yeah
, as Trump is, definitely it'sgonna help him to a certain
degree and I think that.
So, if I'm looking at theindictments and we're talking
about the indictment portion ofSure this race is, will will be,
and how the effect, cuz I thinkit'll have some effect.
I don't know if it'll have.
I think the race will still bethe race, sure, but this will
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definitely be a hang on him, anoverhang on him.
When I look at all theindictments, this is the one
that I feel like is going tohurt, like the Georgia one is
the one that hurts, so that'sthe stormy.
The New York one I think we'rebragging the payments and stuff
like that if I'm gonna put themin order and I'll put that at
the last and put at the bottom.
Sure, january 6th, maybe second, second, third or so in there,
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you know, maybe, maybe, maybethat, because I don't really
know how they can get him on theJanuary 6th, but maybe maybe
I'm not also not a prosecutor.
I mean, clearly they're notgonna bring federal charges,
don't get brought lightly.
So they know something to bringthe charge, however, the
Georgia one, where he has thehour and 11 hours, which I'll re
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listen to that phone call theother day because I'm a complete
freakin nerd I'll listen tothat phone call the other day.
It's an hour and about aroughly an hour and 12 minutes.
It's not good.
It's not good if anybody whofelt that any other human being
on either side of the aisle letBarack Obama had called Georgia
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and had.
Let's do this exact same phonecall but change the name to
invoice to Barack Obama.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It is outrageous.
Republicans are outraged.
They would have brought thetrial by now with two Democrats.
What three years to bring thistrial.
Two or three years to bringthis trial.
Republicans would have broughtit in to year and a half, two
years.
The Republicans would alreadybeen bringing this trial.
It's I Don't know how you getout of it.
I know that the the angle ofyou.
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If you're listening to Trump'slawyers on TV, the angle is kind
of like it's a free speech.
It's speech to ask for thevotes.
The speech, I guess if you, if Iwas just to ask for your money,
doug, is speech if I tell youto give me your money, I guess
that speech, I guess any type of, I think, most Crimes that are
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committed or maybe like whitecollar, there's a lot of crimes
that are committed where speechis involved.
So I'm not sure how they'regonna separate that, how these
lawyers gonna try to outlaw yourthemselves into that, but I
believe that's gonna become aquestion for us in one of our
state of the races down the line.
I don't see that they canlawyer another six months to a
year out of this in my opinion.
So I don't know if it's gonnareally affect the race.
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I know that some of these aregoing in like next May or so,
doug, right, but I don't think Imean what is it?
It's August.
Now I think they can push, Ithink good lawyers can push this
back about a year because theseare serious, serious charges
and I don't I think they canpush this past the election with
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just lawyering, in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, and if you look at May you mentioned the month
of May Well, that is whenIndiana has their primary and we
are one of the last states.
I mean, really, the only timethat Indiana ever came into play
and that I can remember isObama versus Clinton.
That was something, and I guessTrump versus Cruz also played a
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little bit into it.
I just don't think, this timearound, indiana is going to play
a part in either primary whenit comes to selecting the
president.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's interesting, and I kind of agree with that
because I feel like the dustwould have settled by then.
We're kind of kind of know whois and what's interesting to
Doug.
Let's just talk about this Likewho's going to make it to
January.
I feel like we can even do that.
Somebody's going to run out ofmoney or something, Doug.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right, yeah, absolutely.
And I saw where you know theSanta's, one of his billionaire
backers has already jumped outand sort of pulling back.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
He's looking for more backers.
He's putting 20 million dollarsand he says that unless the
Sanchez can get somebody else,another big donor he's not
looking at the one of the 20million dollars in there.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, isn't that crazy to think 20 million and
throwing it around like it's.
You know, you and I having achange in our pocket.
You know, yeah, man, play money.
Yeah, must be nice.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, he's looking for a reboot and the Sanchez has
rebooted the reboot as of lateI think he fired his campaign
manager, so he's on a secondreboot now.
I think the issue is with theSanchez is he's just not that
likable.
He's not personable, trump'sway more personable.
Trump's jokes are better.
His shows are better.
He knows his.
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You know, when you go to seehim you can say they're better
than the Sanchez is.
It's like I don't know, lookingat any metric, how the Santa's
speech?
I think.
Basically, when I'm looking atthe race in general from a
public standpoint, I do thinkit's going to be Trump, because
nothing, there's nothing thatsays it's not right.
But your Chris Christie's ofthe world, I think are
interesting, it's intriguing.
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So I'm going to give it to youfrom the other side of the aisle
, so to speak.
Okay, what I would like?
There's two things I would liketo happen in the Republican
race right now.
I need either Trump or theSanchez to win the primary, and
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I need them.
I need abortion to still befront and center because ever
since ever since Dobbs happenedRepublicans are 0 and 7 in
states in trying to strengthenabortion, strengthen pro life
measures in states.
I think the lead.
The latest one was just Ohio acouple days ago.
They've lost every single oneof these, even in red states, I
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think in Kansas one of the first.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Kansas yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
They lost.
So it's going to as long asthey keep running on the
abortion and as long as I canget the Santas or Trump.
I like the Democratic chancesbecause what a lot of people
understand is they look at thevotes last time right, and they
say man, how can 80 millionpeople vote for Joe Biden?
and what they don't understandis, in my opinion and I'm going
to give a numbers arbitrary, I'mnot saying I've researched,
(25:36):
yeah, 60%, but let's just say50% I'm gonna say 40 million
voted for Joe Biden and 40million voted against Trump.
So you're going to have peoplewho vote against a candidate
right, just don't like, and inTrump and abortion galvanized
the Democrats like I've neverseen anything like it.
For what gets Democrats excitedlike Trump and abortion?
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So it's interesting.
I want them to keep keep that.
I remember telling you this toDoug remember in 2022 we had a
conversation and I told you thatthe Dove decision was a God
send to the midterms.
I remember telling you this isa God send for the Democrats to
the midterms because they did itright before the midterms and
people are going to be pissedand then that red wave is not
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going to be what it would havebeen if that decision came down
after the midterms.
It's not as popular as a.
It's not as popular outside theRepublican Party and sometimes
I guess not being in theRepublican Party, because
sometimes I'll ask you justgenuine questions.
I remember asking you genuinelywhen the race and people
genuinely feel like Trump wonthe race and you're like, yeah,
(26:39):
some people really genuinelyfeel like you want it and and
it's interesting to me outsidelooking in that there's a
disconnect there with withcertain issues that Republicans
take on and not knowing howunpopular those particular
positions are.
So in this particular situation, with the abortion issues,
that's not a popular.
It's not has about nothing hasproven that that's a popular
(27:03):
issue, but it's still one of theRepublicans with hammer, hammer
, hammer, hammer.
So I want them to keephammering that.
I hope we get the Santas orTrump, because they're going to
galvanize the Democrats way morethan a Tim Scott or Chris
Christie.
Would we get Tim Scott or ChrisChristie or somebody like that
coming across the line?
Democrats can be in trouble andthey stopped talking about
abortion.
Democrats are going to be introuble in 2024 because now you
(27:27):
got to look at your candidateand see how your candidate runs
versus running against thethings that they are doing on
the other side.
What is your shot that you givea person like the Santas, since
he is the one, the closest one?
We could talk about these otherpeople, but they're only like
3%, doug.
I don't really know if they caneven make the money.
What is your shot for theSantas, I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
out of 100%.
I'm probably at 10% right now.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I'm not going to be a good candidate for him.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
It's slim, yeah, and I'm being generous, giving him
double digits Because it's justrealistic.
I mean, it's not that I haveanything against a guy, it's
just I'm giving an honestopinion and sometimes the truth
hurts a little bit.
And you know now, as we've saidand we've done on the show
(28:20):
before, a month from now,something could happen,
something could drop andabsolutely, and we have a brand
new ballgame here.
But barring any surprisesOctober surprises, as they
always like to say I reallydon't think it's going to be a
game.
I mean, I really don't thinkthe game changes.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
So 10% for this.
So what is what does if Dougwas this?
This answers his campaignmanager.
Well, your new one, because youwould have been fired yesterday
or a couple days.
Yeah, the new campaign manager.
What?
How does he change his fortunes?
Or change, because this hasbeen a disaster in me from a
couple of different standpoints.
(29:00):
From one, the stuff he's doingin Florida is not gonna be
popular around the country.
When you're limited teaching bycertain things, you're aborcin'
at six weeks.
It's aggressive.
These things are not gonna bepopular on the national stage,
but they are already done now soyou can't tell them to undo
those things.
What would your advice be tohim to try to turn these things
(29:21):
around?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, basically, you have two options you either have
to go for the jugular and gofor the win, or because option
two, where I would say you wannaprobably not hit Trump too hard
and try to be picked up as a VP, but since both of them resided
in the state of Florida, thatoption is off the table for
(29:45):
decisions.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Is it?
I didn't know that, yes,interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, so from a well, because basically it brings you
no value because You're notpicking up anybody, right?
So if Trump wanted to pick upand I'm making something totally
up here like California or NewYork, that makes sense, or
Illinois, because that haselectoral college value, but
(30:12):
both of them, being from thesame state, brings no value to
the table, so that's off thetable really.
So my advice would be you're init, let's go win it.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So is that going more aggressively at Trump, do you
feel like?
Cause?
You know he was kindapussy-filling around there in
the beginning.
He didn't really.
You know everybody had to kidgloves on cause they didn't
wanna upset that massive basethere, so-.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And what happened.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Is that taking the gloves off and just going for it
?
They're getting destroyed.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Well, let's stop and think about it.
What happened, you know, whenhe wasn't.
When you're not picking a fightwith Trump, trump's not picking
a fight with you and he seemsto leave you alone.
And I thought DeSantis and someof the others, when they're not
picking on Trump, actually do alittle bit better in the
polling.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Well, you know, trump was mad.
I don't think DeSantis ever hada chance cause Trump was mad
that he was running period.
Well, that's, true I feel likeDeSantis has a.
He doesn't have the same issuethat.
So I will say, DeSantis, if youlook at the Republican race,
I'm telling you people that havethat issue right now, If you're
Chris Christie, if you're RodDeSantis, Chris Christie, Mike
Pence, forget about it.
He's got an issue with youcoming into this race.
(31:24):
He's already got a problem withyou.
I agree with him.
If you're like the Tim Scott tothe world of Vivix and other
people that he doesn't reallysee as a threat, maybe maybe you
do get that VP, not, I don'tknow.
Maybe you know what I mean,Because he doesn't see you as a
threat.
You're not really a threat tohim, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, and to the best of my knowledge, they've hit
him a little bit, but theyhaven't rent out him like the
Democrats do, or DeSantis hasreally tried to pick a fight
with him, and so it'd beinteresting to be a little fly
on the wall to see what some ofthe strategy is for some of
these campaigns and what's gonnahappen.
(32:02):
And, like I said, you know Iowaand New Hampshire.
They're one of the first in thenation and for some reason I
think Iowa changed, but I couldbe wrong on that, but I don't
put a lot of stock on that.
I think what you're gonna seeis a firewall that starts with
South Carolina, which I believeis in early February.
That's where we're gonna startseeing some.
(32:25):
That's where we're either gonnasee some growth or we're gonna
sit back, scratch your head andgo, hey, we may just have a ball
game here, folks.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
We know that's where Biden turned the corner.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
If you remember, Biden turned the corner in South
Carolina and his left-.
Got him across the board there,that's right, this is where Tim
Scott's from.
South Carolina.
It is, it is, and you knowwhat's crazy about this, and
this is another death nail foryour campaign.
So, guys and I was anotherpolitical show months back, and
(32:59):
we're just talking about generalpolitics, and this person had
never thought about this, butit's very true.
Like you don't need to be apolitical junkie, ladies and
gentlemen, to see if you want tosound like one, though, if your
candidate cannot win theirstate, it is over.
It is over.
If you cannot win your state, Idon't feel like, at this point
(33:20):
in time, the Sanchez can winFlorida over Trump.
I don't feel like he can.
And if you can't win your stateif Tim Scott, I don't think Tim
Scott can win South Carolinaover Trump.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Well, I agree with you, Unless somebody knows
something we don't.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
If you can't win these states, you're not going
to be president.
You need to win at least yourstate and this doesn't go just
for like a senator.
This is a senator, this isgovernor.
That maybe even to say that youjust reside in.
If Mike Pence can't win Indiana, it's over.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, if he's even around it in May, true, which I
doubt.
I mean yeah, yeah, and again,I'm not trying to be
disrespectful to the vicepresident and the former
governor, it's just that he maynot be around.
I mean, maybe we don't know,and that's why we play the game.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I mean maybe he hangs out because I think that you
got to.
I don't know what breaks theTrump situation.
I don't see any of these.
None of the people that arerunning in the race have the
charisma.
I don't see it happeningwithout Trump just bowing out.
Like Trump would have to bowout of the race in order for
there to be any oxygen left inthe room for anybody else, and
(34:30):
he doesn't look like he's goingto do that.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, I think they'll have to take him off the stage
kicking and screaming.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So if that's the case , then our next few state of the
race will probably be goingalong those lines.
The next one we do will beafter the debates.
I think we have our firstdebate coming up here in a
couple of weeks.
I don't know if Trump shows upfor that or not.
It's interesting play that he'sgoing with that.
I do think that there's logicon both sides.
(35:03):
So if you're Trump and you say,hey, I'm already up 30, 40
points on the second guy, on thesecond guy I'm running against,
I can only go down by steppingon that debate stage, like I'm
already up a significant pointon this guy.
There's no point in me doing itAt the same time.
I'm going to go down bystepping on that.
Um, you could do it and showthat you're not scared or that
you're, because people are gonnasay they're gonna frame it.
(35:24):
You, if you leave it up toother people to frame that for
you, to Chris Christie's of theworld to frame it For you, and
you're not there to say anything, or maybe you're just tweeting
or you're on truth social or asopposed to being on that stage,
then they can frame it.
You're leaving it up to them.
The frame an hour every day one.
They're just gonna say you werescared to come out there.
That's what they're gonna say.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Oh, but remember what happened to Trump last time
when he ran, I forget to itdebate it was, and He'd refused
to come on and he had afundraiser, I believe it was for
the military or something, ifmy memory.
And Unless he does somethinglike that which makes it hard to
criticize.
(36:05):
So if you know, I say well, youknow, reggie was too scared to
Come and debate me on on thenational stage, and you come
back and go, I wasn't there isbecause I was raising funds for
our troops or our veterans.
I think the eggs on me, not you, at that point.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, he's also gonna probably do in classic Trump
fashion, where he calls his ownpress conferences at certain His
own his own rally at the sametime where he has where he's no
being able to.
He could do a big watch partyof the debates and still a big
Outright.
Yeah, and I made all thecandidates and still probably
(36:46):
outrate what the debates wouldbe.
So I, I get, I get that.
I just hope he, I hope he does,I don't.
I'm not super concerned.
This is too early in the game.
Sure, I'm not super concernedabout this debate because
somebody, see, people won't bearound, right, when it's really
all said and done, and when youreally get down to brass packs
in January, right, and you'reforever really start to kind of
(37:08):
get down to it, yeah, then we'rereally gonna see who what's
what, so to speak.
Right, we're gonna kind of knowhave a better idea of who's
who's where, who's what andwhat's really at stake.
Somebody's two, three percentlike I don't, do you?
Really that's not a knock onthe Nikki Haley's and Mike
Pence's of the world, but I justdon't see it.
Man and the ace of Hutchison'sget out of here.
(37:30):
I just don't see it.
I don't see it like it's.
I want to say only it's likethe any given Sunday.
Right, you want to say a teamhas a chance to win, but if
you're going up against thepowerhouse and you're a team
with the lowest payroll, it'slike that in maybe you went out
of luck, but it's puncher'schance, maybe at that time, at
that point.
But that's kind of how I viewthese candidates.
They're not really contendersand it's hard even for me to say
(37:51):
right now that this answers isreally contending.
Um, yeah, it doesn't reallyseem to be a second contender
here, with Trump getting over50% of the party going his way.
So I guess we'll see whathappens here down the line.
I definitely appreciate you.
Taking some time out with afellow political junkie here
there does always a pleasure.
Reggie, thank you for having meon.
(38:12):
You got it, my friend, thisReggie Nate.
Oh, check us out to try heartradio, google podcast, apple
podcast, spotify, wherever youfind your podcast.
See you next time.
It's Reggie ATL, coming to you from the London
City of Atlanta, georgia, goingout to Clinton, indiana, with
Doug Hess.
Doug, how's it going?
It's great, reggie.
Thanks for having me on Alwaysa pleasure man.
We'll take some time out hereand I'm going to go ahead and
get my politics warning.
I feel like, as we're goinginto the 2024 election season, I
should pre-record a politicswarning and just put it at the
(00:27):
beginning of every show.
Listen, guys, I know we'vetalked about fun subjects.
We might talk about movies,finance, whatever else going on
in the world but we're about todiscuss politics.
It's offensive.
It's like how you give thosenot safe to work or radar or
offensive subject kind of wingsat the beginning of videos.
I feel like I should justpre-record those, because we're
(00:49):
going to have more of theseconversations.
We'll call this the state ofthe race and this is going to be
our first day of the raceepisode, because it's very early
in the race.
There really is only one race,to be honest, with you, the
Democrats.
That's kind of boring, unlessyou count RFK Jr, which I don't
really count him at thisparticular point in time.
Are you familiar with RFK Jrand what he's been out there
(01:11):
talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Absolutely.
Obviously, I'm followingbecause both of us are political
junkies.
I'm following both sides of it.
I really believe, as we getcloser and closer to the first
primary in January, which isonly four months away, which is
crazy I think there's going tobe several others that's going
(01:37):
to jump in besides RFK Jr.
I think you're also going tosee, probably the governor of
California on the Democrat sidejump in, jumping in to try to
run for president.
Yes, absolutely.
Wow, that'll be interesting.
I think you're going to seethose too.
I'm not 100% sure Biden's goingto run, I mean, I mean no
(02:03):
disrespect to the president, butsome of the gaps and some of
the things that he is doing is,I think, making some Democrats
uncomfortable as well.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I think there's a big trap here to a certain degree.
I'm going to explain to youwhat I mean.
The trap comes in, in myopinion, Doug, when people look
at, because this happens everysingle election cycle.
Americans are disenchanted withtheir choices.
They don't like either choice.
They don't like, in thisparticular case, we'll say Trump
, because Trump's front runner,but it could be dissent or
(02:36):
whatever they don't like.
they don't want to, because Ithink the survey done was like
Americans don't want Trump orBiden, they just want something
fresh.
This is something we hear goinginto every election cycle and
it ends up still being theDemocratic and it still ends up
being the two.
right, you got a guy who saysI'm going to run third party
because we need another choice.
Well, good luck with that.
(02:58):
Tell you how that's gone thelast 200 years.
It has not worked out.
I don't think it's going towork out this time either.
I just don't.
I can tell the money followsthose hearts, because people
have their heart and what theyexpress, right, right.
But then they either they stillgive to the RNC or the DNC.
They still give to the samemachines that are giving them
the same choices all the time.
(03:20):
There's no LNC, there's nolibertarian national Was it
convention?
Or I'm not sure if that's whatthe C stands for.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Right.
Well, I think there isconventions, but they just don't
have the clout that the othertwo have in.
The system is, in a way, kindof rigged for just the two
parties.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Correct, correct and Doug.
Do you see that changing thistime around?
Like, as much as people saythey're disenchanted with these
two choices, do you see any kindof realistic hope for a third
choice?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
No.
Well, let me clarify that andsay the short answer is no.
The long answer is I'm not sosure.
One of the two sides is aDemocrat or Republican isn't
hoping for a third party?
Oh, I think they're.
Both are.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And they're both hoping they take the mood from
the other guy.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Absolutely so.
So in realistically no, a thirdparty isn't going to happen.
But I think privately bothsides are saying yeah more than
Marrior.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, absolutely they're looking for.
Maybe get to a plurality typesituation right Like yeah and.
I could see that and it justsounds.
I'm not trying to like rain onanybody's parade here, but it
just sounds way too aspirationalto me.
Like it.
Until I see somethingstatistically Doug that backs
(04:42):
that notion that that there canlegitimately be a third choice
that legitimately has a shot atwinning the race, then I don't
see, I don't.
I mean, you're just gonna takevotes from somebody.
Yes, that's what you're goingto do, correct, correct, and I
think that get over the line.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
The closest we've ever really seen a third party
was Ross Perot.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Perot yes.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Bush versus Clinton and I think, a lot of cases that
help Clinton get elected.
What was it back in the 80s,1980 wasn't a John Anderson that
ran as a third party candidate.
He was a Republican in Iran,but it really didn't go anywhere
.
To me personally, I think thatwas the birth of the third party
(05:28):
was with John Anderson Many,many moons ago in the 80s if
I've ever got my dates right, Ibelieve it was in 1980s campaign
Carter versus Reagan, and thatwas really the birth.
And then we probably saw themost serious candidate was Ross
Perot.
But other than those two, you'realways going to have talk.
(05:49):
I mean, let's face it, Trumpback in the early 80s, 90s I've
got my numbers right when thatoccurred he kind of played
around with the third partycandidate, yeah for sure.
So there has been talk.
There actually has been somesuccess.
If you will, I think Ross Perotwas probably the most
successful as those third partycandidates.
(06:11):
But right now I just don't seeif the two parties can agree on
anything, on anything out there.
It's that we only need twoparties.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, you're fabulous .
That's a fabulous analysisthere, though, because I am.
I think that's spot on.
I think that there's, ifanything, they want no more
parties, unless they feel likeit's going to hurt the other
party.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
That's not the party they want.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Interesting is if we talk about because I'm thinking
the Gavin Newsom situation is inchild RFK junior, get out of
here.
That's not happening.
But the Gavin Newsom isinteresting and I think Newsom
does have a shot at I don't.
I don't know if the machinewould get behind him this
particular time, because it'shard to run up against an
incumbent in this party.
It's just difficult to do.
(06:59):
But I think Newsom is aninteresting thought, kind of how
I thought of Well, let me letme say this the right way I
thought of the sense has been aninteresting shot.
I didn't, I never liked theSanchez.
I always thought I feel thesame way about him now that I
felt about him back then.
But I still looked at it fromoutside.
You know, I look at this fromlike a sports perspective.
I don't need to like teams,analyze the game, so to speak,
(07:21):
and I thought, hey, you knowhe's, he can be a contender here
if he, you know, made thatdecision.
And I feel the same way aboutNewsom.
I can't do some can be acontender if he decides to make
that decision.
I'm not sure if he's gonna makeit this year or not, but it'd
be interesting to see in whereall the action is right now is
in the Republican Party, got afew people that are jumping in
(07:43):
and I would say, baby, how manycandidates here?
Let me think here because wehave, before we go over any poll
numbers, you have Trump toSantis Chris.
Hey, what got for gosh, he waseven in the race.
Right, the kid a vivic.
I won't want to butcher hislast name, but he's yeah, he's
in there Mike Pence.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
There as well.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I think he's.
He's man.
I mean, we'll do our.
Do we have a shots here at somepoint in this show?
But I'm a spoiler alert, Idon't think he does, but it's.
It's interesting.
He is in the race.
So when you look at it, howmany of the?
Obviously, but do you thinkgenuinely have a chance?
Maybe there's like three orfour of these guys that didn't
have a chance.
(08:26):
Now it's very early.
That's why we're sure he stayedin the race episodes that we do
.
It's only episode one of thesebecause gonna be your few of
these, because it's gonna changefor sure.
That's the only thing we knowfor certain.
Right, we know for certainthings will change.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And I'll make my prediction right now for you on
the on the Republican side Ithink it's gonna be Trump.
I really do, and I'm not sayingthat he is the guy.
I'm not saying that I wouldvote for him.
I'm just looking at the earlynumbers and I really think it's
gonna be Trump.
I saw in Iowa where he spokewas it yesterday over in Iowa
(09:01):
and he had a Really nicefollowing I I just think there's
going to be something there forhim.
Desantis, one of the last timesI looked at one of his crowds
out in Iowa there was like ahandful of people there.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, as a disaster campaign.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Absolutely so.
I really think it's going to beTrump's to lose, and when I say
his to lose, meaning thenomination.
I really believe that he'sgonna be in there.
I'm not so sure, and of course,you probably expect me to say
this From the other side, but Ireally think the race is going
to be For the Democrat side.
(09:43):
Who is going to?
Because I'm not convinced thatone Biden will be there After
and I don't know they changethis it's not Iowa.
I was not the first caucus thisyear.
Is that right?
Did I hear that?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't know.
I know it's between Iowa andNew Hampshire, right?
Those are the first.
Yeah, that's, that's the twothat people seem to be jockeying
for, at least yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And you know what Iowa and New Hampshire always do
things a little bit different.
I mean, we look about it.
We've seen Steve Forge, we'veseen oh, my cocky bee has won
Out in Iowa before and theseguys have that went on to win
the the presidency.
So I'm not so sure that youdon't see a surprise like an RFG
(10:31):
junior or Somebody else winningthe Democratic primary out in
Iowa or New Hampshire early.
But I wouldn't say that that'snecessarily an indicator of
what's going to happen long term.
I we know that the Democratshave a history of the super
delegates that helps secureCandidates on the Democrat side.
(10:56):
So I think there's a lot ofpolitics to play out between now
and November 2024.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
That's for sure.
And, doug, you didn't exactlystep out on a limb there with
that Trump Destroying the fieldright now, and I don't.
It's interesting because thethe the way that I had to look
at that question was definitelymore so of who's got a shot
versus Is Trump gonna win,because that just seems like the
(11:26):
writing on the wall right nowright, like it just seems like
there's nobody.
That's good.
He's destroying the field,right now.
Yeah, so I do.
You feel like there is a legitshot for for your, your, chris
Christie's and your and let'stalk about Rhonda Santis for a
second, because let's pivot onhim, because I think he
absolutely sucks right now.
This is this is it'sinteresting, doug, because from
(11:49):
politics, I definitely have my.
I want the Democrats to win.
I make no sure, no, bones about.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I don't hide that yeah but I like the game.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I think I'm gonna watch the game.
I want my team to win everytime they play, but I want to
still watch the game and I'm afan of the process.
You know what I mean absolutely,absolutely, absolutely as well
as I'm watching the game beplayed.
This answers is playing ahorrible game.
He's just playing a horrible,horrible game.
Like for one, I had aconversation with a friend of
(12:20):
mine from Florida the years andyears and years back and I
remember telling her cuz she wastalking about certain things in
Florida and we're talking aboutelections and things like that
and I remember telling her Isaid, hey, you know, things are
very different in the countrythan they are in Florida, like
the electorate very different inthe country than it is in
Florida, like it's Florida's anoutlier.
You can't use that as likeyou're the bellwether, so to
speak, to feel like, hey, well,if this worked in Florida, it'll
(12:41):
work here, and I think we'reseeing that play out to a
certain degree.
I don't think his message ofmake America Florida is not
resonating, right, what do youthought on that?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, here's what I'll say that running a state
campaign or a statewide campaignis very different.
I did run in a nationalcampaign, so let me say that,
and I really think the Santas isrunning a state campaign at the
national level instead of anational campaign.
I hope that makes sense to youand your listeners.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's like he hasn't shifted gears to that national
light, and so that's where Ithink he has got stuck a little
bit.
He hasn't made that transition.
And the other thing is, in alot of cases I think he's a
miniature Trump the way that heattacks and goes after, and
(13:41):
there's only one Trump out there, whether you love him or have
him.
And I think a lot of people arelooking at the Santas as and I
don't mean it as harsh as I'mgetting ready to say is a
second-tier candidate in thestate campaign, in the sense
that there's only one Master,one professional, and the Santas
(14:03):
is coming across as an amateurVersus the big boy, if that
makes sense to you.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Perfect, because what I'm gonna say here is gonna
kind of echo those thosethoughts.
You can't run as a guy if theguy is in the race, ladies and
gentlemen, right, you cannot runas Trump if Trump is actually
running.
Right, you would have to waittill he's not running to have
(14:33):
this.
That you can't run as Trump,like when Trump is actually
running.
You would have to run as Trump,like with Trump, not running
2028 campaign, like that youshould have just signed on.
So I'm not gonna run in 2028.
He's.
I'm not a huge fan of Trump, butI will tell you this he did get
disdain to the cross that linein Florida and he and count what
(14:54):
countless others account wasout because of his popularity.
Sure, he is more popular thanyou guys and I've told you this
for years, doug, he is morepopular than the other guys.
He's just more popular than you.
Whether you hate him, whetheryou love them, they're not as
popular.
So it's kind of like he'sTrump's gonna show up.
Trump can show up anywhere.
And one thing that Trump hasgoing for him Same thing that
(15:15):
our source nigga had going forhim when he ran for the governor
of Florida Is he was already acelebrity.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
To run up against a celebrity and some of the
Democrats Found us out the hardway because Barack Obama became
a political celebrity.
And it's hard to run up againsta political celebrity and
Barack Obama was gonna be thefirst black president.
That's hard to run againstbecause you can't be that.
You know what I mean.
You can't just turn yourselfinto that.
I remember one of the RememberJohn Edwards wife saying that
(15:47):
back in the day, like he can'tbe the first black president and
it was taking up all the oxygenin the room at the time because
you can't just transformyourself into that.
And then he became somethingelse to where you became a
politician that becomes acelebrity in Like the same way
that your Mitch McConnell's do.
Some of these put probably someof these politicians that end
up becoming bigger Than thestate, bigger than what they
(16:08):
represent, because they end upbecoming a name themselves.
And that name, once it becomesa name, is just very hard to
beat.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Except for I'll give you one exception, but I agree
with 100% of what you just said,except one exception with
Hillary Clinton.
I think she she gave BarackObama run for her money, or for
his money, because she waslooking to be the first woman
president, woman president, andshe was favorite, doug.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
She came out the gates.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
She was a fave, yeah, so she had celebrity status, if
we will, political statusstatus, and she was Going to
make history if she would havewon, just as Barack Obama was
doing it as well.
So that's just an example, butthat doesn't happen every day.
I mean, that's in a way, afluke.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
that to To first, if you will, we're running right
and we were running in the samein the same in the same party.
Yeah, and the same party,correct, right.
When you look at here with theRepublicans, and when you look
at how far and away Donald Trumpis more known than the other
individuals running in this raceyeah, race, it's not in day
(17:21):
like so.
If Trump, trump could show upanywhere, and whether people
hate him or love him, there'smany people who just show up
because he's just Trump, becausehe was already Trump before,
right, so right, he can justshow up and he's been a strong
spin, a celebrity what?
30, 40 years now?
Yeah, so he can just show upanywhere and then have an
audience because he's been acelebrity for four decades.
So, and a no name, a knownquantity, for four decades so
(17:45):
you know it's been very welllike four years right.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And then feel like you can be.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Trump now.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Absolutely, because he's got 40 years on you, he
does, yeah, yeah, so it's it's.
It's gonna be interesting tosee how this all plays out.
Of course, there's anotherindictment that I, I understand,
is getting ready to drop anytime in Georgia.
That's the Georgia one coming,you know, and I have to ask the
question at some time, at somepoint.
(18:15):
Does that start to help?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Trump to where people I think it does in the
beginning.
I think it's going to now forsure.
Yeah, people are gonna feellike he has to win to stay out
of jail.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Just stay out of jail but also be like I mean, what
did this guy do really thateverybody's attacking him from
this this, this, this and this.
Some of it sounds silly, someof it people may say is a little
bit more serious and to where,I think, at some point, trump.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Actually, this negativity actually becomes a
positive for him, as it has beenthroughout his political career
.
They that means to be what hashappened here on things that
would be negative for otherpeople.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And some people just have that touch.
It wouldn't help me.
I'd be like Throw him away.
You know, stone aim orsomething right.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, we we'd be put under the jail, or whereas, yeah
, as Trump is, definitely it'sgonna help him to a certain
degree and I think that.
So, if I'm looking at theindictments and we're talking
about the indictment portion ofSure this race is, will will be,
and how the effect, cuz I thinkit'll have some effect.
I don't know if it'll have.
I think the race will still bethe race, sure, but this will
(19:30):
definitely be a hang on him, anoverhang on him.
When I look at all theindictments, this is the one
that I feel like is going tohurt, like the Georgia one is
the one that hurts, so that'sthe stormy.
The New York one I think we'rebragging the payments and stuff
like that if I'm gonna put themin order and I'll put that at
the last and put at the bottom.
Sure, january 6th, maybe second, second, third or so in there,
(19:53):
you know, maybe, maybe, maybethat, because I don't really
know how they can get him on theJanuary 6th, but maybe maybe
I'm not also not a prosecutor.
I mean, clearly they're notgonna bring federal charges,
don't get brought lightly.
So they know something to bringthe charge, however, the
Georgia one, where he has thehour and 11 hours, which I'll re
(20:16):
listen to that phone call theother day because I'm a complete
freakin nerd I'll listen tothat phone call the other day.
It's an hour and about aroughly an hour and 12 minutes.
It's not good.
It's not good if anybody whofelt that any other human being
on either side of the aisle letBarack Obama had called Georgia
(20:39):
and had.
Let's do this exact same phonecall but change the name to
invoice to Barack Obama.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
It is outrageous.
Republicans are outraged.
They would have brought thetrial by now with two Democrats.
What three years to bring thistrial.
Two or three years to bringthis trial.
Republicans would have broughtit in to year and a half, two
years.
The Republicans would alreadybeen bringing this trial.
It's I Don't know how you getout of it.
I know that the the angle ofyou.
(21:05):
If you're listening to Trump'slawyers on TV, the angle is kind
of like it's a free speech.
It's speech to ask for thevotes.
The speech, I guess if you, if Iwas just to ask for your money,
doug, is speech if I tell youto give me your money, I guess
that speech, I guess any type of, I think, most Crimes that are
(21:29):
committed or maybe like whitecollar, there's a lot of crimes
that are committed where speechis involved.
So I'm not sure how they'regonna separate that, how these
lawyers gonna try to outlaw yourthemselves into that, but I
believe that's gonna become aquestion for us in one of our
state of the races down the line.
I don't see that they canlawyer another six months to a
year out of this in my opinion.
So I don't know if it's gonnareally affect the race.
(21:51):
I know that some of these aregoing in like next May or so,
doug, right, but I don't think Imean what is it?
It's August.
Now I think they can push, Ithink good lawyers can push this
back about a year because theseare serious, serious charges
and I don't I think they canpush this past the election with
(22:11):
just lawyering, in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, and if you look at May you mentioned the month
of May Well, that is whenIndiana has their primary and we
are one of the last states.
I mean, really, the only timethat Indiana ever came into play
and that I can remember isObama versus Clinton.
That was something, and I guessTrump versus Cruz also played a
(22:41):
little bit into it.
I just don't think, this timearound, indiana is going to play
a part in either primary whenit comes to selecting the
president.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's interesting, and I kind of agree with that
because I feel like the dustwould have settled by then.
We're kind of kind of know whois and what's interesting to
Doug.
Let's just talk about this Likewho's going to make it to
January.
I feel like we can even do that.
Somebody's going to run out ofmoney or something, Doug.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right, yeah, absolutely.
And I saw where you know theSanta's, one of his billionaire
backers has already jumped outand sort of pulling back.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
He's looking for more backers.
He's putting 20 million dollarsand he says that unless the
Sanchez can get somebody else,another big donor he's not
looking at the one of the 20million dollars in there.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, isn't that crazy to think 20 million and
throwing it around like it's.
You know, you and I having achange in our pocket.
You know, yeah, man, play money.
Yeah, must be nice.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, he's looking for a reboot and the Sanchez has
rebooted the reboot as of lateI think he fired his campaign
manager, so he's on a secondreboot now.
I think the issue is with theSanchez is he's just not that
likable.
He's not personable, trump'sway more personable.
Trump's jokes are better.
His shows are better.
He knows his.
(24:05):
You know, when you go to seehim you can say they're better
than the Sanchez is.
It's like I don't know, lookingat any metric, how the Santa's
speech?
I think.
Basically, when I'm looking atthe race in general from a
public standpoint, I do thinkit's going to be Trump, because
nothing, there's nothing thatsays it's not right.
But your Chris Christie's ofthe world, I think are
interesting, it's intriguing.
(24:26):
So I'm going to give it to youfrom the other side of the aisle
, so to speak.
Okay, what I would like?
There's two things I would liketo happen in the Republican
race right now.
I need either Trump or theSanchez to win the primary, and
(24:47):
I need them.
I need abortion to still befront and center because ever
since ever since Dobbs happenedRepublicans are 0 and 7 in
states in trying to strengthenabortion, strengthen pro life
measures in states.
I think the lead.
The latest one was just Ohio acouple days ago.
They've lost every single oneof these, even in red states, I
(25:11):
think in Kansas one of the first.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Kansas yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
They lost.
So it's going to as long asthey keep running on the
abortion and as long as I canget the Santas or Trump.
I like the Democratic chancesbecause what a lot of people
understand is they look at thevotes last time right, and they
say man, how can 80 millionpeople vote for Joe Biden?
and what they don't understandis, in my opinion and I'm going
to give a numbers arbitrary, I'mnot saying I've researched,
(25:36):
yeah, 60%, but let's just say50% I'm gonna say 40 million
voted for Joe Biden and 40million voted against Trump.
So you're going to have peoplewho vote against a candidate
right, just don't like, and inTrump and abortion galvanized
the Democrats like I've neverseen anything like it.
For what gets Democrats excitedlike Trump and abortion?
(25:57):
So it's interesting.
I want them to keep keep that.
I remember telling you this toDoug remember in 2022 we had a
conversation and I told you thatthe Dove decision was a God
send to the midterms.
I remember telling you this isa God send for the Democrats to
the midterms because they did itright before the midterms and
people are going to be pissedand then that red wave is not
(26:18):
going to be what it would havebeen if that decision came down
after the midterms.
It's not as popular as a.
It's not as popular outside theRepublican Party and sometimes
I guess not being in theRepublican Party, because
sometimes I'll ask you justgenuine questions.
I remember asking you genuinelywhen the race and people
genuinely feel like Trump wonthe race and you're like, yeah,
(26:39):
some people really genuinelyfeel like you want it and and
it's interesting to me outsidelooking in that there's a
disconnect there with withcertain issues that Republicans
take on and not knowing howunpopular those particular
positions are.
So in this particular situation, with the abortion issues,
that's not a popular.
It's not has about nothing hasproven that that's a popular
(27:03):
issue, but it's still one of theRepublicans with hammer, hammer
, hammer, hammer.
So I want them to keephammering that.
I hope we get the Santas orTrump, because they're going to
galvanize the Democrats way morethan a Tim Scott or Chris
Christie.
Would we get Tim Scott or ChrisChristie or somebody like that
coming across the line?
Democrats can be in trouble andthey stopped talking about
abortion.
Democrats are going to be introuble in 2024 because now you
(27:27):
got to look at your candidateand see how your candidate runs
versus running against thethings that they are doing on
the other side.
What is your shot that you givea person like the Santas, since
he is the one, the closest one?
We could talk about these otherpeople, but they're only like
3%, doug.
I don't really know if they caneven make the money.
What is your shot for theSantas, I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:49):
out of 100%.
I'm probably at 10% right now.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I'm not going to be a good candidate for him.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
It's slim, yeah, and I'm being generous, giving him
double digits Because it's justrealistic.
I mean, it's not that I haveanything against a guy, it's
just I'm giving an honestopinion and sometimes the truth
hurts a little bit.
And you know now, as we've saidand we've done on the show
(28:20):
before, a month from now,something could happen,
something could drop andabsolutely, and we have a brand
new ballgame here.
But barring any surprisesOctober surprises, as they
always like to say I reallydon't think it's going to be a
game.
I mean, I really don't thinkthe game changes.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
So 10% for this.
So what is what does if Dougwas this?
This answers his campaignmanager.
Well, your new one, because youwould have been fired yesterday
or a couple days.
Yeah, the new campaign manager.
What?
How does he change his fortunes?
Or change, because this hasbeen a disaster in me from a
couple of different standpoints.
(29:00):
From one, the stuff he's doingin Florida is not gonna be
popular around the country.
When you're limited teaching bycertain things, you're aborcin'
at six weeks.
It's aggressive.
These things are not gonna bepopular on the national stage,
but they are already done now soyou can't tell them to undo
those things.
What would your advice be tohim to try to turn these things
(29:21):
around?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, basically, you have two options you either have
to go for the jugular and gofor the win, or because option
two, where I would say you wannaprobably not hit Trump too hard
and try to be picked up as a VP, but since both of them resided
in the state of Florida, thatoption is off the table for
(29:45):
decisions.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Is it?
I didn't know that, yes,interesting.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, so from a well, because basically it brings you
no value because You're notpicking up anybody, right?
So if Trump wanted to pick upand I'm making something totally
up here like California or NewYork, that makes sense, or
Illinois, because that haselectoral college value, but
(30:12):
both of them, being from thesame state, brings no value to
the table, so that's off thetable really.
So my advice would be you're init, let's go win it.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So is that going more aggressively at Trump, do you
feel like?
Cause?
You know he was kindapussy-filling around there in
the beginning.
He didn't really.
You know everybody had to kidgloves on cause they didn't
wanna upset that massive basethere, so-.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
And what happened.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Is that taking the gloves off and just going for it
?
They're getting destroyed.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Well, let's stop and think about it.
What happened, you know, whenhe wasn't.
When you're not picking a fightwith Trump, trump's not picking
a fight with you and he seemsto leave you alone.
And I thought DeSantis and someof the others, when they're not
picking on Trump, actually do alittle bit better in the
polling.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Well, you know, trump was mad.
I don't think DeSantis ever hada chance cause Trump was mad
that he was running period.
Well, that's, true I feel likeDeSantis has a.
He doesn't have the same issuethat.
So I will say, DeSantis, if youlook at the Republican race,
I'm telling you people that havethat issue right now, If you're
Chris Christie, if you're RodDeSantis, Chris Christie, Mike
Pence, forget about it.
He's got an issue with youcoming into this race.
(31:24):
He's already got a problem withyou.
I agree with him.
If you're like the Tim Scott tothe world of Vivix and other
people that he doesn't reallysee as a threat, maybe maybe you
do get that VP, not, I don'tknow.
Maybe you know what I mean,Because he doesn't see you as a
threat.
You're not really a threat tohim, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, and to the best of my knowledge, they've hit
him a little bit, but theyhaven't rent out him like the
Democrats do, or DeSantis hasreally tried to pick a fight
with him, and so it'd beinteresting to be a little fly
on the wall to see what some ofthe strategy is for some of
these campaigns and what's gonnahappen.
(32:02):
And, like I said, you know Iowaand New Hampshire.
They're one of the first in thenation and for some reason I
think Iowa changed, but I couldbe wrong on that, but I don't
put a lot of stock on that.
I think what you're gonna seeis a firewall that starts with
South Carolina, which I believeis in early February.
That's where we're gonna startseeing some.
(32:25):
That's where we're either gonnasee some growth or we're gonna
sit back, scratch your head andgo, hey, we may just have a ball
game here, folks.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
We know that's where Biden turned the corner.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
If you remember, Biden turned the corner in South
Carolina and his left-.
Got him across the board there,that's right, this is where Tim
Scott's from.
South Carolina.
It is, it is, and you knowwhat's crazy about this, and
this is another death nail foryour campaign.
So, guys and I was anotherpolitical show months back, and
(32:59):
we're just talking about generalpolitics, and this person had
never thought about this, butit's very true.
Like you don't need to be apolitical junkie, ladies and
gentlemen, to see if you want tosound like one, though, if your
candidate cannot win theirstate, it is over.
It is over.
If you cannot win your state, Idon't feel like, at this point
(33:20):
in time, the Sanchez can winFlorida over Trump.
I don't feel like he can.
And if you can't win your stateif Tim Scott, I don't think Tim
Scott can win South Carolinaover Trump.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Well, I agree with you, Unless somebody knows
something we don't.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
If you can't win these states, you're not going
to be president.
You need to win at least yourstate and this doesn't go just
for like a senator.
This is a senator, this isgovernor.
That maybe even to say that youjust reside in.
If Mike Pence can't win Indiana, it's over.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, if he's even around it in May, true, which I
doubt.
I mean yeah, yeah, and again,I'm not trying to be
disrespectful to the vicepresident and the former
governor, it's just that he maynot be around.
I mean, maybe we don't know,and that's why we play the game.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I mean maybe he hangs out because I think that you
got to.
I don't know what breaks theTrump situation.
I don't see any of these.
None of the people that arerunning in the race have the
charisma.
I don't see it happeningwithout Trump just bowing out.
Like Trump would have to bowout of the race in order for
there to be any oxygen left inthe room for anybody else, and
(34:30):
he doesn't look like he's goingto do that.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, I think they'll have to take him off the stage
kicking and screaming.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So if that's the case , then our next few state of the
race will probably be goingalong those lines.
The next one we do will beafter the debates.
I think we have our firstdebate coming up here in a
couple of weeks.
I don't know if Trump shows upfor that or not.
It's interesting play that he'sgoing with that.
I do think that there's logicon both sides.
(35:03):
So if you're Trump and you say,hey, I'm already up 30, 40
points on the second guy, on thesecond guy I'm running against,
I can only go down by steppingon that debate stage, like I'm
already up a significant pointon this guy.
There's no point in me doing itAt the same time.
I'm going to go down bystepping on that.
Um, you could do it and showthat you're not scared or that
you're, because people are gonnasay they're gonna frame it.
(35:24):
You, if you leave it up toother people to frame that for
you, to Chris Christie's of theworld to frame it For you, and
you're not there to say anything, or maybe you're just tweeting
or you're on truth social or asopposed to being on that stage,
then they can frame it.
You're leaving it up to them.
The frame an hour every day one.
They're just gonna say you werescared to come out there.
That's what they're gonna say.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Oh, but remember what happened to Trump last time
when he ran, I forget to itdebate it was, and He'd refused
to come on and he had afundraiser, I believe it was for
the military or something, ifmy memory.
And Unless he does somethinglike that which makes it hard to
criticize.
(36:05):
So if you know, I say well, youknow, reggie was too scared to
Come and debate me on on thenational stage, and you come
back and go, I wasn't there isbecause I was raising funds for
our troops or our veterans.
I think the eggs on me, not you, at that point.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, he's also gonna probably do in classic Trump
fashion, where he calls his ownpress conferences at certain His
own his own rally at the sametime where he has where he's no
being able to.
He could do a big watch partyof the debates and still a big
Outright.
Yeah, and I made all thecandidates and still probably
(36:46):
outrate what the debates wouldbe.
So I, I get, I get that.
I just hope he, I hope he does,I don't.
I'm not super concerned.
This is too early in the game.
Sure, I'm not super concernedabout this debate because
somebody, see, people won't bearound, right, when it's really
all said and done, and when youreally get down to brass packs
in January, right, and you'reforever really start to kind of
(37:08):
get down to it, yeah, then we'rereally gonna see who what's
what, so to speak.
Right, we're gonna kind of knowhave a better idea of who's
who's where, who's what andwhat's really at stake.
Somebody's two, three percentlike I don't, do you?
Really that's not a knock onthe Nikki Haley's and Mike
Pence's of the world, but I justdon't see it.
Man and the ace of Hutchison'sget out of here.
(37:30):
I just don't see it.
I don't see it like it's.
I want to say only it's likethe any given Sunday.
Right, you want to say a teamhas a chance to win, but if
you're going up against thepowerhouse and you're a team
with the lowest payroll, it'slike that in maybe you went out
of luck, but it's puncher'schance, maybe at that time, at
that point.
But that's kind of how I viewthese candidates.
They're not really contendersand it's hard even for me to say
(37:51):
right now that this answers isreally contending.
Um, yeah, it doesn't reallyseem to be a second contender
here, with Trump getting over50% of the party going his way.
So I guess we'll see whathappens here down the line.
I definitely appreciate you.
Taking some time out with afellow political junkie here
there does always a pleasure.
Reggie, thank you for having meon.
(38:12):
You got it, my friend, thisReggie Nate.
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