November 1, 2023 • 30 mins
In this episode we delve into the business world, stressing the importance of self-value and approaching work as a partnership. Join us as we explore independence and freedom in the workplace.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Congratulations to you.
Coming to you from the love ofCD Valena Georgia, with my guy
here, j Henry J, coming from theWendy City of Chicago.
J, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Cold man.
It's cold and windy now.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So we should add.
We should add in addition tocold and windy city of Chicago,
and joined here by my Yoda cup.
You know what I mean?
It was coffee time J.
I don't know if you can seethat Yoda best right there.
It's probably backwards.
It looks like it's backwards onthat side there, but it's a
Yoda best cup right there.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know what I mean.
It's backwards, so you straightback.
You know, man, if it wasbackwards, that mean that's the
right way.
With the cup, man, you're good.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You know it's.
It's funny because I read thisarticle.
We've got an article on thescreen here with this guy and
let me see if I can even attemptto.
It's like in our NauranyaMurthy and this brought up a an
interesting subject here thatwe're we're going to discuss and
that's kind of work likebalance.
And me and you've talked aboutthis before.
(01:03):
When it came to the gig economy,we talked about it in certain
ways, just because in our, inour world, he's advocating for
the 70 hour work week for peopleI think it was like under 30.
He did give it like an age,because I felt like there is
some it that's kind of necessaryto a certain degree, because I
feel like you're getting it in,you're trying to find yourself
(01:24):
for your younger man.
You know what I mean.
You still have a lot of that,that hustle.
You're getting it in, you'renot really settled and having a
lot of the things that kind ofanchor you down.
When you get older, when peopletend to have families and
obligations and stuff like that,I kind of anchor them down
schedule wise.
When you're young, tend to havea little bit more of that free
time, energy, all that goodstuff.
(01:46):
Now what's interesting is a lotof people in this, in this
generation.
They're not really going for itand I and I applaud that.
So what I see is a lot of thembeing like no, we're just not,
we're just not going to do it,we're not going.
They're looking at people fromprevious generations that are
worked their freaking lives awayand have nothing to show for it
or to barely get him by youknow right.
(02:08):
Yeah, uh, work and money and Ijust talked to some friends
about this is work and money.
Don't love you the way you loveit.
You know what I mean.
Yes, they will.
You will be out of here.
You could work for a company 15, 20 years, jay, you can be out
of here whether that company islaying people off.
Look at AI.
Right, if AI makes your job notnecessary, why would they keep
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you?
Would you keep you if it wasyour company?
You probably wouldn't.
You know what I mean.
So when you're thinking aboutthings like that, you got to
think about the fact that if youcould, you can work your entire
life and then anything canhappen broken bone If it's a job
, we got to do somethingphysical death in the family,
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maybe you got to step away for amonth or so.
And then people get a littlefunny.
These attitudes are where youthought it was a family, you
thought it was love, right.
And those attitudes change alittle bit.
Like, hey, when we well, youknow we do love you, but you
weren't here the last month, youlike, why did death in the
family had to step away?
I had things I had to do.
Well, we need that productivitynow Other 10 to 15 years you
(03:15):
put in ahead of this don'taren't really going to mean much
.
So let's talk a little bit aboutthe for one, the difference,
jay, because you know, when wewere growing up it was a kind of
like you just need to do ittype of world we lived in right,
like it was a do it or elsetype of world we live in, versus
now these kids will just walkout.
You know, I've seen frommanaging now, from how I was
(03:37):
managed, is I'm seeing I have tomanage a lot differently now
because people will definitelywalk out on you.
What is your thoughts on, kindof like how that was different
for us and then we'll kind ofget into his 70 hour work week
situation.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, you know me and you are generation X and we
come from that era.
Like it's kind of a funny era weboth come from because we saw
the traditional standard of youknow, the nine to five job of
you know, and then the processof what we would go through to
you know, get a degree, go toschool, go to college, get a
(04:13):
degree.
And then, because we earned afour year degree, it basically
was a unofficial message to youknow possible employers that,
okay, this person had enoughdiligence and discipline to stay
in an institution to learnsomething for four years and
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earn a degree, for acertification or whatever you
want to call it, and that wasthe basic model for the
workforce world in our time, inour parents time, in our parents
parents time.
You know, to get a job at onepoint in time was a big deal,
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you know.
To work for a company that madeyou know, if not billions of
dollars, millions of dollars orhundreds of thousands of dollars
, that was a big deal back then,you know, especially for our
people, right?
So you know, to even work at animportant you know, because I
mean we rarely would get apromotion, you know, or
something like that.
I mean if we did, we had tohave you know, three
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certification, four degrees,eight more certifications on the
side.
You know it's like we had to.
We had to really bust our butts.
So all that aside, or whatever,you know, the political stuff
aside or whatever like that,that was just the model back
then, whereas now there are moreplatforms for people to be
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their own boss.
It's not to say that the grindis not going to be there.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And it's not to say that you still won't have to put
in you know certain time andcertain you know certain things
in order to that grind to bethere in your youth or whatever
like that.
But it's what are you puttingthe grind in for?
Because and I know you don'twant to touch on this to ship,
it was kind of dipping our toesin the water with the 70 hour
work we were with this man isdoing.
(06:07):
Here's the thing there werejobs out there that existed,
where I don't know if it was 70hours a week, but it was all
going near that, you know,depending on the job.
Like case in point, I want tosay years ago, way before the
pre pandemic, I was driving forLyft and this woman, this young
lady, got in my car and shelooked.
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She looked like she was sick,you know, but she was just
really tired and I said are youall right?
And you know, we got into aconversation and I said well,
what do you do for a living, ifyou don't mind me asking?
And she says I'm in aninternational investment banker
and I, that's what I'm saying.
(06:48):
So what I'm saying is is thatjobs like this already exists.
They've been existing for along time.
You know, depending on howsuccessful you wish to be, it's
going to require more grind,more hours.
So those there are certaindepartments or of the workforce
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world that already exist wheremore will be required of you,
you know more will be.
You know there's more of youthat will be needed as far as
hours, time, focus.
That it's just, it goes withoutsaying.
So the fact I mean that hewants to add 70 hours, it's a
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little.
And then it's the time thatwe're in now, where it you know
what, not even the time thatwe're in now, it's people are
either going to work or they'renot.
Max, you know what I'm saying.
And the fact that you want toadd 30 more hours on a week,
like bro, like you know,honestly, that's not.
(07:55):
It's like somebody slapping aband-aid on something, saying
here's going to fix the problem.
It's not.
And I'm looking at how old thisguy is and, yeah, he's coming
from a different generation.
So he, you know, he's comingfrom this generation where we
need to be, and he probablymight even say some stuff that
we might agree with, like thediscipline, the focus, the drive
.
There are some things.
(08:16):
That's all right.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, we'll have to do the article we're definitely
going to go through, becausethere are some things, jay,
they're good back and forth,right, he, I think from his
perspective, and you know what?
Let's scroll down, let's see.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
From his perspective.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
it's more so for young Indians here, because this
is in India, that's where he'sbased at, and you see a lot of
this in Asian cultures ingeneral.
There's like the 996, that'snine to nine, six days a week.
By the way, that's a solid 72hours right there.
So basically saying they hewants them to work 70 hours a
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week to help India's economy ingeneral, to help kind of raise
it out of, to turn it into likea capitalist, like not
necessarily powerhouse, but,like he said, a global economic
leader.
That's what he wants to do andI wanted to kind of frame it in
a certain way because I don'twant to make it just seem like
the guy's just some kind oftyrant.
But at the end he has hismotivation, can be good in the
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sense of he's hoping to upliftthis whole country with like a
harder work ethic and then kindof lift them out of a certain
type of poverty situation whichwould be different than India,
than it would be in here.
But at the same time, theproblem that exists is still
only having so much life, right,no matter where you are on
earth, you only have so muchlife.
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And I think a lot of people inthese Asian, especially a lot of
the younger people, if you lookat how a lot of them are even
bucket on the 996 situation,they're not even they're like no
, that's crazy amount of hoursand recently in Korea they
wanted to, I think, change thework week to about 60 hours or
so.
It was 70 hours.
I got to look and see what thatwas, but they wanted to add
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some hours and people kind ofbucked on that a little bit.
And I think that what it comesdown to is preference.
Jay, you got to look at yourlife and look at what your
preference is right, like, whatis your overall arch and goal,
and I think you touched onsomething that is very
interesting in the sense of itdoesn't mean the work stops.
(10:20):
Just because you're not workingfor somebody else for a 70, 80
hours a week doesn't mean you'resitting at home eating Cheetos
on the couch, watchingtelevision at a whole time, A
lot of times, Jay it can meanyou're working harder in other
areas because those other areasmight not be underpaid areas.
If you're working on a businessand you're trying to get that
business off the ground, you owna job in those first few years.
(10:41):
You don't own a business, bro.
You own a job and you're goingto that job, and it's an
underpaid job.
You're going there to thatbusiness, you're trying to get
it off the ground.
You don't have that stabilitythat somebody could just go sit
in the office for 60, 70 hours aweek and have.
But you're building towardsyour future in hopes that you
can have a little bit morefreedom in your life.
Does that make sense, Joe?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Absolutely.
Look, you want, listen, we allwant, even back in the day when
I was working, the nine to fivejobs.
All of our goals were financialfreedom, that whole thing where
we want to be able to I don'tcare what kind of nine to five
job somebody's working, ifthey're in a position where they
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have more freedom to movearound to do what it is they
would like to do, take avacation at the drop of a hat,
even tell certain people, look,I ain't coming in the day, I'm
taking the day off, I'm doingwhat I need to do, and say it
with confidence like that.
I mean, who wouldn't take thatopportunity?
(11:46):
And so we're in an age rightnow where trying to keep it
clean on your show, we're in anage right now where people are
realizing I want to work formyself, I want to do for myself,
you know, to the point where itdoesn't feel like a job or
whatever like that.
You know I want to be, I wantto be at a level of FU, you know
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where.
If you tell me something and Idon't agree with it, I'm not
worried about the next wordscoming out my mouth affecting my
livelihood.
I'm not worried about the nextwords coming out my mouth
affecting my promotion or mybonus or whatever like that.
I'm not worried about thatCause.
See, I'm at a level now of,like, I'm going to say what's on
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my mind and if I don't agreewith it, guess what?
I'm up, I'm an asset to yourcompany or to whatever you got
going on.
And if you don't agree withthat, hey, that's fine, you
don't have to agree with it.
I got enough going on in mybank account and in my personal
life to the point where I canleave.
I'm good, you know, whateverlike that.
(12:53):
So yeah, I mean, that's justhow I feel about that.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I mean when we come to like.
Let's talk a little bit aboutthe difference between the, the
fine line between laziness andwanting the freedom in life.
Right, because?
In the back of the day, if youwere under anything under 40, my
day, let's Lord forbid.
You were 25, 30 hours, that wasstraight laziness in my house.
Oh, it'd be like you're justlazy.
(13:22):
What do you do?
Why are you not at work?
Right, you know what I mean?
That's kind of how the thoughtpattern was.
Now we've seen these kids and alot of people.
You see people like influencers.
These kids are using socialmedia to pop off different
little businesses here and thereand a lot of people are have a
lot of.
I will say it's not necessarilyget off my lawn ish, but I do
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see a lot of people from anolder generation looking down on
that kind of work, like kidsshould just be in factories or
only really hard work out thereis construction on the corner or
if they're doing, if they're inthe office almost a hundred
hours a week, you know there,why are you going home at five?
You should be going home at six, seven, like the rest of us
type thing.
You know these jobs.
(14:08):
Once again I'm gonna repeatthis several times throughout
this show money and work doesn'tlove you the way that you love
it.
You gotta find out what youlike, because for some people,
jay, if you like the job, in myopinion all bets are off like,
because then it's not reallylike we're doing right, Like if
you enjoy the job.
let's say there's accounting andit may be so hard for people to
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imagine somebody like anaccountant, but let's say that
that's somebody's thing and theyreally do like it, then go to
work a hundred hours a week Likeit's not really the same for
them as it is for somebody who'sjust trying to get through a
job.
What do you think about stufflike that, jay?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Okay, the first off, the influencer thing.
I think we do have some, I meansome successful influencers.
You know whether they'repositive.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
What is that definition?
Is that just having over acertain amount of followers
again, or is?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
that a certain amount of income that they're bringing
in A certain amount offollowers, the influencer
meaning that they're having tome.
This is because I don't knowthe term right, the urban term
right off hand right now, but Ido know that influencers have a
platform, they have a niche asfar as maybe, for instance,
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somebody likes to cook, so theycame up with a platform for
cooking, their, you knowinfluence, their chef or
something like that, or a chefto be, and they're sharing their
opinion, perspective andthoughts about, you know,
cooking, certain dishes orwhatever like that.
You know, some people actuallycome in with a platform.
Others, as we have seen, likethe Jake and Logan Paul I had a
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little definition here that justpopped up on Google.
Someone who okay to persuadeothers to do, buy or use the
same things that they do.
Perfect example yep.
Influencers have a following inspecific niche yep, I said
niche and they actively engagetheir audience.
They can affect the purchasingdecisions, others because of
their authority, knowledge,position, relationship with
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their audience and not tomention their marketability If
they're looking good.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I don't think anything's wrong with any of
this right.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
No, I don't know.
At the end of the day, ifpeople are making money off you.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You should be making some of that money yourself,
right?
Even if?
It's just taking pictures youshould be making.
You should be privy to some ofthat money if you have another
company.
Consumers society.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well, you know, and, like you asked me, it's like
what do I think about that?
I think, listen, if you're goingabout it the right way, meaning
you know you're putting in thehours, you're putting in the
grind because, listen, there's alot of influencers and people
who use social media that they,you know, who made it and are
successful.
They'll even share theirsuccess story, like you know,
whenever they get on these talkshows or interviewed by you know
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, these famous interviewers orwhatever like that, a well-known
interviewers, where they'll belike dude, I didn't get money
until I got four millionfollowers, or until I got you
know this X amount of followers,whatever like that.
So when they had a million,they would.
They're like dude, I was stillin my mother's basement creating
videos, hoping, you know,there's a grind involved in
everything.
Now, the flip side of that isyou have people that are just
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looking at the bag.
Right, they're looking.
It's a lazy way of going aboutthe hustle, because they're
thinking, well, I'm gonna makemoney overnight, I'm gonna get
this many followers, and then,when they realize what it truly
takes to build their platform,build their following build it.
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Now and then, mentally it wearsthem out because it becomes like
a job to them and they realize,oh man, it ain't gonna happen
like this or like the same thingwith people podcasting Some
look, you love what you do andI'm sure we spoke on this before
, but we would all love to get aSpotify deal, like Joe Rogan
did.
(17:54):
But let's look at Joe.
Rogan.
He was doing interviews and hisplatform before podcasting even
became a thing About the clubyears in the game, my friend,
you know I'm saying so.
It's like you're gonna put someskin in the game before anything
comes your way, and that's thelazy part About it.
That and that's just people.
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Now, that's how you knowsomebody's just being lazy when
they're just trying to skip tosomething purely for the bag,
purely for the money, the bands,so.
And then when they don't getwhat they think they should get
within a week's worth of time or72 hours Now they're moving on
to the next and they're makingas many legitimate, justified
(18:37):
excuses as they can as to why.
Well, it wouldn't work out forme.
Oh man, the production was waswas whacking a did.
The equipment was working like,okay, you could have fixed it,
yeah you know, I didn't get asmany.
Guess what you got to push yourplatform, what you want to push
your plan, you, you, what's yourmarketing strategy?
Oh no, go into it right now.
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You know that's lazy.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You know, what's interesting here is, I Think
that this should be in aperspective that just evolves
over time.
I mean, sometimes work justchanges, you know, I mean, and
people have a problem, I think,dealing with that if they feel
like they've been on the otherside of that situation, if you
feel like, hey Well, I've beenworking in this factory this
whole, you know, for 15, 20years.
I waited for my pension and allthat stuff.
(19:25):
They did things a certain way,but Everybody's entitled to
their own way of of seeing lifeand wanting to do things like
you don't.
You don't owe people Thinkingthat you're working hard just
because they thinking thatyou're working hard.
You know what I mean.
You don't owe people.
You shouldn't have guilt.
If you only work two days aweek and you're making X amount
of dollars, don't feel guiltyabout that.
You know what I mean.
(19:45):
That's your job, that's yourlife, that's the route that you
decided to choose to go.
When I was rolling up, it wasjust a 40 hour, bro.
You weren't getting 40 and youweren't working.
Well, that, and here's my thing.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I'm an independent contractor now and I come from a
company Independent contractornow and I come from the nine to
five world and I used to think ahit.
My mentality in the beginningwas Let me find a job where I
can get more money, especiallyas inflation, would you know,
always go up as far as the costof living, cost of rent, you
know everything I just mysolution back then was well, I
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got to get a different job.
That's gonna make me, you know,at back in the day was like
with the early 2000s, even late90s, if I can get me a job that
makes a hundred thousand a year,I'm set for life, whereas now
my mentality is, you know, as anindependent contractor, I Don't
have to get up at a certaintime and report to this desk or
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report to this.
It feels great.
You know, I'm on my own time,dude.
I work at two gyms.
I'm a gym rat.
I love working out, I lovebeing healthy, I love, you know,
I love my life and I feel somuch healthier.
Now, don't get me wrong, there'sa lot of ups and downs, even in
my lifestyle where, you know,it's like how am I gonna do this
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and how I'm gonna do this?
Not to mention I'm a voiceactor.
So I have, I'm a voice actor,I'm a boxing instructor, I'm a
swimming instructor, I want tocontinue to add on to my
skillset, to continue mymovement in life as far as what
I'd like to do.
But I'm not gonna sit up hereand say, oh, I'm riches as Bezos
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or something like that, becauseI'm not.
But at the same time, I feelRicher in my time.
I feel richer with thedecisions that I'm making.
I feel richer in inconversations I may have with
certain people, like the one Ishare with you, with my boss,
because Instead of me worryingabout my livelihood being
compromised, I'm actually, youknow, I'm actually stepping into
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a situation where I know I holdvalue.
I'm not holding it overanyone's head but at the same
time, I know what I'm bringingto the table and and like we
like you just got finishedsaying, you know, when you go to
a job, we feel like we're allthis validation because I've
been in the company for thismany years and I've done this or
whatever, like that and there'sa sense of pride and you know,
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comes with that words like, hey,I love this job, but, like you
said this, like that wholestreet mentality.
You may love the street, butthe streets don't love you back.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
They way the same.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's the same thing with the.
It's the same thing in a legalworld where you may love the job
, you may look and people maysee how Dedicated you are to the
brand, to the company, toeverything, but you're not the
founder.
You never got promoted.
And when and when the doorsclosed on the company because
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they got bought out or they'retaking a buyout because they
just want to, because thefounders and the people want to
live their life, I mean youlucky if you get a nice
severance package.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Lucky cuz.
That ain't that, that's, that's, that's not guaranteed right.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
We wish y'all well.
Oh my god, you guys have beengreat.
You've been awesome.
No money involved, nothing, nobenefits nada, they are.
So you know what that?
Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I was gonna say that.
You know, at the end of the day, I think that if we Approach
things in a sense that nobody'sowed anything from a job
standpoint or from a from a lifestandpoint so when I go to a
business, I don't feel like thatbusiness owes me.
You know what I mean.
I'm doing a service for thatbusiness and that business is
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doing I always looked at it likea partnership.
As my later life, in the lastlike 10 years or so, so I've had
my computer started, I'm acomputer server 2014.
So it's since 2014 to now I'vealways looked at any place that
I worked at like a partnership.
They provide me with what I'mlooking for.
I provide them with what theyneed.
I'm gonna come in, I'm gonnawork hard, I'm gonna give it my
100% with whatever we decide todo, but I always maintain the
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flexibility that I know I canwalk away.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
And that freedom for me has been golden.
It's been golden for me,because at the end of the day,
I'm just like walk out, youcarry that with you.
Yeah, you have that.
You know what I mean.
People can sense that.
People can sense that type ofenergy too.
People can sense what when youhave value or when you're
desperate.
You know how, like when peoplejoke around or it's like you
know, don't go to that girl allthirsty because she can smell
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your desperation.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You know what I'm like that it's the same thing
with business.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It's the same thing when you're doing business and
you try to.
You know, man, I wanna cop thisdeal.
I wanna you know I can safelysay this Whenever I do like
voiceover gigs.
Now you know cause I've beeninto the game almost as about be
eight years now, when I've beenin the voiceover game as long
as I have.
You know I'll say it like thislisten, I still love when I cut
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a nice check, love it Absolutely.
You know what I'm saying andI'm not gonna lie.
But the first thing that comesto my mind when someone wants to
do business with me is okay,what's the, what's the, what's
the brand, what's the platform,what are we doing?
The first thing in my mind inthat look the one of the.
It's like maybe second or thirdor fourth, sometimes the top
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three or four or the top 10.
But you know, pay is in there.
I'm thinking about pay.
I'm always thinking about pay.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But at the same time right.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, you look, it is what it is.
I'm thinking about pay, but myfirst question is is okay,
where's the project?
What's the purpose of thisproject?
What are we doing?
Am I gonna be comfortable withit?
Does the dollars make sense ordoes it just make sense?
Because sometimes people willtry to pay you beer money for a
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champagne reading Tells me howmany businesses he owns and how
he has some businesses here onthe South side of Chicago, on
the South side of, and for whatthey were paying me for to shoot
every day, I would, you know,go into the you know the thing
(26:25):
and do this.
Well, they finally needed me todo a voiceover read and there
was a miscommunication becausethey wanted me to read a certain
amount of you know scripts.
Well, I told them this is whatI charge per script.
Now the guy who I finally met,who owns this business, just got
(26:50):
finished telling you give me anexact amount of money he's
making, you know, but you'retelling me you own all these
businesses which translation?
I make a lot of money.
Okay, good for you.
So you paying me per scriptshouldn't be a problem.
Instead, you want a pity pinchand pay me what I would charge
(27:20):
per script for just the entirescript that you wanted me to
read.
That's what I look at when I'mdealing with business and being
willing to have enough courageto just take it on a chin and
walk away and not get paid atall.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, you know I was going to say the I've.
I've seen this quite often andI feel like it's just a.
I feel like it's just an.
I'm going to assume this was,this was in America, right, this
is in this country, yeah, okay.
So I'm going to assume that alot of people, if they can pay
(28:04):
you a dime to do a dollar'sworth of work, they're going to
try it.
I think that's universallyculturally right, like we're all
going to try to at least try it.
I think that what makes youthere, what we can make things
different, is them trying outwith everybody and then coming
across people who may, may, havemore value in themselves and
more value in their own work ordon't have to take that
(28:27):
opportunity.
You know what I mean, becausesome people are in positions,
jay, where they got to take anyopportunity.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Like bills are real and some people are going to
take any, any dollar and I'mgoing to try you.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
They're going to at least ask.
You know I used to work for aguy and a guy here in Atlanta
and you know downtown we had astudio right.
It's like a little audioengineering type situation.
And I tell you dude was a pennypincher bro.
Like I don't know if I could gobelow a penny, I would say he
(29:00):
was below sub penny pincher whathe would try to pay and
sometimes he didn't tell them toafter the work he was very
shady business practices.
In that sense I learned a lotof what not to do.
I'm here on this dude from NewYork, quite a character.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I really liked him, but I did learn a lot for him.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
What, not how not to approach certain business
decisions.
You know what I mean, because Ifeel like, at the end of the
day, jay, business is businessand people are going to try you
right.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, people go people.
It's unfortunate and it canaffect the personal side of
things at times.
For me, like you know the storyI share with you early,
unfortunately.
But in turn, what you're, youknow what.
Here's the thing aboutsituations like that you learn a
lot about yourself.
You know like the type ofperson you are, because this
(29:48):
story could have been realdifferent if you've been like yo
man.
I learned a lot from him and Isaved a lot of money.
You know whatever like that,because you might have been
better than him.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
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Coming to you from the love ofCD Valena Georgia, with my guy
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J, how's it going?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Cold man.
It's cold and windy now.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So we should add.
We should add in addition tocold and windy city of Chicago,
and joined here by my Yoda cup.
You know what I mean?
It was coffee time J.
I don't know if you can seethat Yoda best right there.
It's probably backwards.
It looks like it's backwards onthat side there, but it's a
Yoda best cup right there.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know what I mean.
It's backwards, so you straightback.
You know, man, if it wasbackwards, that mean that's the
right way.
With the cup, man, you're good.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You know it's.
It's funny because I read thisarticle.
We've got an article on thescreen here with this guy and
let me see if I can even attemptto.
It's like in our NauranyaMurthy and this brought up a an
interesting subject here thatwe're we're going to discuss and
that's kind of work likebalance.
And me and you've talked aboutthis before.
(01:03):
When it came to the gig economy,we talked about it in certain
ways, just because in our, inour world, he's advocating for
the 70 hour work week for peopleI think it was like under 30.
He did give it like an age,because I felt like there is
some it that's kind of necessaryto a certain degree, because I
feel like you're getting it in,you're trying to find yourself
(01:24):
for your younger man.
You know what I mean.
You still have a lot of that,that hustle.
You're getting it in, you'renot really settled and having a
lot of the things that kind ofanchor you down.
When you get older, when peopletend to have families and
obligations and stuff like that,I kind of anchor them down
schedule wise.
When you're young, tend to havea little bit more of that free
time, energy, all that goodstuff.
(01:46):
Now what's interesting is a lotof people in this, in this
generation.
They're not really going for itand I and I applaud that.
So what I see is a lot of thembeing like no, we're just not,
we're just not going to do it,we're not going.
They're looking at people fromprevious generations that are
worked their freaking lives awayand have nothing to show for it
or to barely get him by youknow right.
(02:08):
Yeah, uh, work and money and Ijust talked to some friends
about this is work and money.
Don't love you the way you loveit.
You know what I mean.
Yes, they will.
You will be out of here.
You could work for a company 15, 20 years, jay, you can be out
of here whether that company islaying people off.
Look at AI.
Right, if AI makes your job notnecessary, why would they keep
(02:32):
you?
Would you keep you if it wasyour company?
You probably wouldn't.
You know what I mean.
So when you're thinking aboutthings like that, you got to
think about the fact that if youcould, you can work your entire
life and then anything canhappen broken bone If it's a job
, we got to do somethingphysical death in the family,
(02:52):
maybe you got to step away for amonth or so.
And then people get a littlefunny.
These attitudes are where youthought it was a family, you
thought it was love, right.
And those attitudes change alittle bit.
Like, hey, when we well, youknow we do love you, but you
weren't here the last month, youlike, why did death in the
family had to step away?
I had things I had to do.
Well, we need that productivitynow Other 10 to 15 years you
(03:15):
put in ahead of this don'taren't really going to mean much
.
So let's talk a little bit aboutthe for one, the difference,
jay, because you know, when wewere growing up it was a kind of
like you just need to do ittype of world we lived in right,
like it was a do it or elsetype of world we live in, versus
now these kids will just walkout.
You know, I've seen frommanaging now, from how I was
(03:37):
managed, is I'm seeing I have tomanage a lot differently now
because people will definitelywalk out on you.
What is your thoughts on, kindof like how that was different
for us and then we'll kind ofget into his 70 hour work week
situation.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, you know me and you are generation X and we
come from that era.
Like it's kind of a funny era weboth come from because we saw
the traditional standard of youknow, the nine to five job of
you know, and then the processof what we would go through to
you know, get a degree, go toschool, go to college, get a
(04:13):
degree.
And then, because we earned afour year degree, it basically
was a unofficial message to youknow possible employers that,
okay, this person had enoughdiligence and discipline to stay
in an institution to learnsomething for four years and
(04:33):
earn a degree, for acertification or whatever you
want to call it, and that wasthe basic model for the
workforce world in our time, inour parents time, in our parents
parents time.
You know, to get a job at onepoint in time was a big deal,
(04:55):
you know.
To work for a company that madeyou know, if not billions of
dollars, millions of dollars orhundreds of thousands of dollars
, that was a big deal back then,you know, especially for our
people, right?
So you know, to even work at animportant you know, because I
mean we rarely would get apromotion, you know, or
something like that.
I mean if we did, we had tohave you know, three
(05:18):
certification, four degrees,eight more certifications on the
side.
You know it's like we had to.
We had to really bust our butts.
So all that aside, or whatever,you know, the political stuff
aside or whatever like that,that was just the model back
then, whereas now there are moreplatforms for people to be
(05:40):
their own boss.
It's not to say that the grindis not going to be there.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
And it's not to say that you still won't have to put
in you know certain time andcertain you know certain things
in order to that grind to bethere in your youth or whatever
like that.
But it's what are you puttingthe grind in for?
Because and I know you don'twant to touch on this to ship,
it was kind of dipping our toesin the water with the 70 hour
work we were with this man isdoing.
(06:07):
Here's the thing there werejobs out there that existed,
where I don't know if it was 70hours a week, but it was all
going near that, you know,depending on the job.
Like case in point, I want tosay years ago, way before the
pre pandemic, I was driving forLyft and this woman, this young
lady, got in my car and shelooked.
(06:28):
She looked like she was sick,you know, but she was just
really tired and I said are youall right?
And you know, we got into aconversation and I said well,
what do you do for a living, ifyou don't mind me asking?
And she says I'm in aninternational investment banker
and I, that's what I'm saying.
(06:48):
So what I'm saying is is thatjobs like this already exists.
They've been existing for along time.
You know, depending on howsuccessful you wish to be, it's
going to require more grind,more hours.
So those there are certaindepartments or of the workforce
(07:11):
world that already exist wheremore will be required of you,
you know more will be.
You know there's more of youthat will be needed as far as
hours, time, focus.
That it's just, it goes withoutsaying.
So the fact I mean that hewants to add 70 hours, it's a
(07:35):
little.
And then it's the time thatwe're in now, where it you know
what, not even the time thatwe're in now, it's people are
either going to work or they'renot.
Max, you know what I'm saying.
And the fact that you want toadd 30 more hours on a week,
like bro, like you know,honestly, that's not.
(07:55):
It's like somebody slapping aband-aid on something, saying
here's going to fix the problem.
It's not.
And I'm looking at how old thisguy is and, yeah, he's coming
from a different generation.
So he, you know, he's comingfrom this generation where we
need to be, and he probablymight even say some stuff that
we might agree with, like thediscipline, the focus, the drive
.
There are some things.
(08:16):
That's all right.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, we'll have to do the article we're definitely
going to go through, becausethere are some things, jay,
they're good back and forth,right, he, I think from his
perspective, and you know what?
Let's scroll down, let's see.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
From his perspective.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
it's more so for young Indians here, because this
is in India, that's where he'sbased at, and you see a lot of
this in Asian cultures ingeneral.
There's like the 996, that'snine to nine, six days a week.
By the way, that's a solid 72hours right there.
So basically saying they hewants them to work 70 hours a
(08:54):
week to help India's economy ingeneral, to help kind of raise
it out of, to turn it into likea capitalist, like not
necessarily powerhouse, but,like he said, a global economic
leader.
That's what he wants to do andI wanted to kind of frame it in
a certain way because I don'twant to make it just seem like
the guy's just some kind oftyrant.
But at the end he has hismotivation, can be good in the
(09:17):
sense of he's hoping to upliftthis whole country with like a
harder work ethic and then kindof lift them out of a certain
type of poverty situation whichwould be different than India,
than it would be in here.
But at the same time, theproblem that exists is still
only having so much life, right,no matter where you are on
earth, you only have so muchlife.
(09:37):
And I think a lot of people inthese Asian, especially a lot of
the younger people, if you lookat how a lot of them are even
bucket on the 996 situation,they're not even they're like no
, that's crazy amount of hoursand recently in Korea they
wanted to, I think, change thework week to about 60 hours or
so.
It was 70 hours.
I got to look and see what thatwas, but they wanted to add
(09:58):
some hours and people kind ofbucked on that a little bit.
And I think that what it comesdown to is preference.
Jay, you got to look at yourlife and look at what your
preference is right, like, whatis your overall arch and goal,
and I think you touched onsomething that is very
interesting in the sense of itdoesn't mean the work stops.
(10:20):
Just because you're not workingfor somebody else for a 70, 80
hours a week doesn't mean you'resitting at home eating Cheetos
on the couch, watchingtelevision at a whole time, A
lot of times, Jay it can meanyou're working harder in other
areas because those other areasmight not be underpaid areas.
If you're working on a businessand you're trying to get that
business off the ground, you owna job in those first few years.
(10:41):
You don't own a business, bro.
You own a job and you're goingto that job, and it's an
underpaid job.
You're going there to thatbusiness, you're trying to get
it off the ground.
You don't have that stabilitythat somebody could just go sit
in the office for 60, 70 hours aweek and have.
But you're building towardsyour future in hopes that you
can have a little bit morefreedom in your life.
Does that make sense, Joe?
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Absolutely.
Look, you want, listen, we allwant, even back in the day when
I was working, the nine to fivejobs.
All of our goals were financialfreedom, that whole thing where
we want to be able to I don'tcare what kind of nine to five
job somebody's working, ifthey're in a position where they
(11:25):
have more freedom to movearound to do what it is they
would like to do, take avacation at the drop of a hat,
even tell certain people, look,I ain't coming in the day, I'm
taking the day off, I'm doingwhat I need to do, and say it
with confidence like that.
I mean, who wouldn't take thatopportunity?
(11:46):
And so we're in an age rightnow where trying to keep it
clean on your show, we're in anage right now where people are
realizing I want to work formyself, I want to do for myself,
you know, to the point where itdoesn't feel like a job or
whatever like that.
You know I want to be, I wantto be at a level of FU, you know
(12:12):
where.
If you tell me something and Idon't agree with it, I'm not
worried about the next wordscoming out my mouth affecting my
livelihood.
I'm not worried about the nextwords coming out my mouth
affecting my promotion or mybonus or whatever like that.
I'm not worried about thatCause.
See, I'm at a level now of,like, I'm going to say what's on
(12:32):
my mind and if I don't agreewith it, guess what?
I'm up, I'm an asset to yourcompany or to whatever you got
going on.
And if you don't agree withthat, hey, that's fine, you
don't have to agree with it.
I got enough going on in mybank account and in my personal
life to the point where I canleave.
I'm good, you know, whateverlike that.
(12:53):
So yeah, I mean, that's justhow I feel about that.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I mean when we come to like.
Let's talk a little bit aboutthe difference between the, the
fine line between laziness andwanting the freedom in life.
Right, because?
In the back of the day, if youwere under anything under 40, my
day, let's Lord forbid.
You were 25, 30 hours, that wasstraight laziness in my house.
Oh, it'd be like you're justlazy.
(13:22):
What do you do?
Why are you not at work?
Right, you know what I mean?
That's kind of how the thoughtpattern was.
Now we've seen these kids and alot of people.
You see people like influencers.
These kids are using socialmedia to pop off different
little businesses here and thereand a lot of people are have a
lot of.
I will say it's not necessarilyget off my lawn ish, but I do
(13:44):
see a lot of people from anolder generation looking down on
that kind of work, like kidsshould just be in factories or
only really hard work out thereis construction on the corner or
if they're doing, if they're inthe office almost a hundred
hours a week, you know there,why are you going home at five?
You should be going home at six, seven, like the rest of us
type thing.
You know these jobs.
(14:08):
Once again I'm gonna repeatthis several times throughout
this show money and work doesn'tlove you the way that you love
it.
You gotta find out what youlike, because for some people,
jay, if you like the job, in myopinion all bets are off like,
because then it's not reallylike we're doing right, Like if
you enjoy the job.
let's say there's accounting andit may be so hard for people to
(14:28):
imagine somebody like anaccountant, but let's say that
that's somebody's thing and theyreally do like it, then go to
work a hundred hours a week Likeit's not really the same for
them as it is for somebody who'sjust trying to get through a
job.
What do you think about stufflike that, jay?
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Okay, the first off, the influencer thing.
I think we do have some, I meansome successful influencers.
You know whether they'repositive.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
What is that definition?
Is that just having over acertain amount of followers
again, or is?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
that a certain amount of income that they're bringing
in A certain amount offollowers, the influencer
meaning that they're having tome.
This is because I don't knowthe term right, the urban term
right off hand right now, but Ido know that influencers have a
platform, they have a niche asfar as maybe, for instance,
(15:22):
somebody likes to cook, so theycame up with a platform for
cooking, their, you knowinfluence, their chef or
something like that, or a chefto be, and they're sharing their
opinion, perspective andthoughts about, you know,
cooking, certain dishes orwhatever like that.
You know, some people actuallycome in with a platform.
Others, as we have seen, likethe Jake and Logan Paul I had a
(15:46):
little definition here that justpopped up on Google.
Someone who okay to persuadeothers to do, buy or use the
same things that they do.
Perfect example yep.
Influencers have a following inspecific niche yep, I said
niche and they actively engagetheir audience.
They can affect the purchasingdecisions, others because of
their authority, knowledge,position, relationship with
(16:09):
their audience and not tomention their marketability If
they're looking good.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I don't think anything's wrong with any of
this right.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
No, I don't know.
At the end of the day, ifpeople are making money off you.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You should be making some of that money yourself,
right?
Even if?
It's just taking pictures youshould be making.
You should be privy to some ofthat money if you have another
company.
Consumers society.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well, you know, and, like you asked me, it's like
what do I think about that?
I think, listen, if you're goingabout it the right way, meaning
you know you're putting in thehours, you're putting in the
grind because, listen, there's alot of influencers and people
who use social media that they,you know, who made it and are
successful.
They'll even share theirsuccess story, like you know,
whenever they get on these talkshows or interviewed by you know
(16:47):
, these famous interviewers orwhatever like that, a well-known
interviewers, where they'll belike dude, I didn't get money
until I got four millionfollowers, or until I got you
know this X amount of followers,whatever like that.
So when they had a million,they would.
They're like dude, I was stillin my mother's basement creating
videos, hoping, you know,there's a grind involved in
everything.
Now, the flip side of that isyou have people that are just
(17:12):
looking at the bag.
Right, they're looking.
It's a lazy way of going aboutthe hustle, because they're
thinking, well, I'm gonna makemoney overnight, I'm gonna get
this many followers, and then,when they realize what it truly
takes to build their platform,build their following build it.
(17:34):
Now and then, mentally it wearsthem out because it becomes like
a job to them and they realize,oh man, it ain't gonna happen
like this or like the same thingwith people podcasting Some
look, you love what you do andI'm sure we spoke on this before
, but we would all love to get aSpotify deal, like Joe Rogan
did.
(17:54):
But let's look at Joe.
Rogan.
He was doing interviews and hisplatform before podcasting even
became a thing About the clubyears in the game, my friend,
you know I'm saying so.
It's like you're gonna put someskin in the game before anything
comes your way, and that's thelazy part About it.
That and that's just people.
(18:15):
Now, that's how you knowsomebody's just being lazy when
they're just trying to skip tosomething purely for the bag,
purely for the money, the bands,so.
And then when they don't getwhat they think they should get
within a week's worth of time or72 hours Now they're moving on
to the next and they're makingas many legitimate, justified
(18:37):
excuses as they can as to why.
Well, it wouldn't work out forme.
Oh man, the production was waswas whacking a did.
The equipment was working like,okay, you could have fixed it,
yeah you know, I didn't get asmany.
Guess what you got to push yourplatform, what you want to push
your plan, you, you, what's yourmarketing strategy?
Oh no, go into it right now.
(19:00):
You know that's lazy.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
You know, what's interesting here is, I Think
that this should be in aperspective that just evolves
over time.
I mean, sometimes work justchanges, you know, I mean, and
people have a problem, I think,dealing with that if they feel
like they've been on the otherside of that situation, if you
feel like, hey Well, I've beenworking in this factory this
whole, you know, for 15, 20years.
I waited for my pension and allthat stuff.
(19:25):
They did things a certain way,but Everybody's entitled to
their own way of of seeing lifeand wanting to do things like
you don't.
You don't owe people Thinkingthat you're working hard just
because they thinking thatyou're working hard.
You know what I mean.
You don't owe people.
You shouldn't have guilt.
If you only work two days aweek and you're making X amount
of dollars, don't feel guiltyabout that.
You know what I mean.
(19:45):
That's your job, that's yourlife, that's the route that you
decided to choose to go.
When I was rolling up, it wasjust a 40 hour, bro.
You weren't getting 40 and youweren't working.
Well, that, and here's my thing.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I'm an independent contractor now and I come from a
company Independent contractornow and I come from the nine to
five world and I used to think ahit.
My mentality in the beginningwas Let me find a job where I
can get more money, especiallyas inflation, would you know,
always go up as far as the costof living, cost of rent, you
know everything I just mysolution back then was well, I
(20:22):
got to get a different job.
That's gonna make me, you know,at back in the day was like
with the early 2000s, even late90s, if I can get me a job that
makes a hundred thousand a year,I'm set for life, whereas now
my mentality is, you know, as anindependent contractor, I Don't
have to get up at a certaintime and report to this desk or
(20:43):
report to this.
It feels great.
You know, I'm on my own time,dude.
I work at two gyms.
I'm a gym rat.
I love working out, I lovebeing healthy, I love, you know,
I love my life and I feel somuch healthier.
Now, don't get me wrong, there'sa lot of ups and downs, even in
my lifestyle where, you know,it's like how am I gonna do this
(21:05):
and how I'm gonna do this?
Not to mention I'm a voiceactor.
So I have, I'm a voice actor,I'm a boxing instructor, I'm a
swimming instructor, I want tocontinue to add on to my
skillset, to continue mymovement in life as far as what
I'd like to do.
But I'm not gonna sit up hereand say, oh, I'm riches as Bezos
(21:28):
or something like that, becauseI'm not.
But at the same time, I feelRicher in my time.
I feel richer with thedecisions that I'm making.
I feel richer in inconversations I may have with
certain people, like the one Ishare with you, with my boss,
because Instead of me worryingabout my livelihood being
compromised, I'm actually, youknow, I'm actually stepping into
(21:52):
a situation where I know I holdvalue.
I'm not holding it overanyone's head but at the same
time, I know what I'm bringingto the table and and like we
like you just got finishedsaying, you know, when you go to
a job, we feel like we're allthis validation because I've
been in the company for thismany years and I've done this or
whatever, like that and there'sa sense of pride and you know,
(22:12):
comes with that words like, hey,I love this job, but, like you
said this, like that wholestreet mentality.
You may love the street, butthe streets don't love you back.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
They way the same.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's the same thing with the.
It's the same thing in a legalworld where you may love the job
, you may look and people maysee how Dedicated you are to the
brand, to the company, toeverything, but you're not the
founder.
You never got promoted.
And when and when the doorsclosed on the company because
(22:43):
they got bought out or they'retaking a buyout because they
just want to, because thefounders and the people want to
live their life, I mean youlucky if you get a nice
severance package.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Lucky cuz.
That ain't that, that's, that's, that's not guaranteed right.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
We wish y'all well.
Oh my god, you guys have beengreat.
You've been awesome.
No money involved, nothing, nobenefits nada, they are.
So you know what that?
Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I was gonna say that.
You know, at the end of the day, I think that if we Approach
things in a sense that nobody'sowed anything from a job
standpoint or from a from a lifestandpoint so when I go to a
business, I don't feel like thatbusiness owes me.
You know what I mean.
I'm doing a service for thatbusiness and that business is
(23:42):
doing I always looked at it likea partnership.
As my later life, in the lastlike 10 years or so, so I've had
my computer started, I'm acomputer server 2014.
So it's since 2014 to now I'vealways looked at any place that
I worked at like a partnership.
They provide me with what I'mlooking for.
I provide them with what theyneed.
I'm gonna come in, I'm gonnawork hard, I'm gonna give it my
100% with whatever we decide todo, but I always maintain the
(24:09):
flexibility that I know I canwalk away.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
And that freedom for me has been golden.
It's been golden for me,because at the end of the day,
I'm just like walk out, youcarry that with you.
Yeah, you have that.
You know what I mean.
People can sense that.
People can sense that type ofenergy too.
People can sense what when youhave value or when you're
desperate.
You know how, like when peoplejoke around or it's like you
know, don't go to that girl allthirsty because she can smell
(24:32):
your desperation.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You know what I'm like that it's the same thing
with business.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It's the same thing when you're doing business and
you try to.
You know, man, I wanna cop thisdeal.
I wanna you know I can safelysay this Whenever I do like
voiceover gigs.
Now you know cause I've beeninto the game almost as about be
eight years now, when I've beenin the voiceover game as long
as I have.
You know I'll say it like thislisten, I still love when I cut
(25:02):
a nice check, love it Absolutely.
You know what I'm saying andI'm not gonna lie.
But the first thing that comesto my mind when someone wants to
do business with me is okay,what's the, what's the, what's
the brand, what's the platform,what are we doing?
The first thing in my mind inthat look the one of the.
It's like maybe second or thirdor fourth, sometimes the top
(25:23):
three or four or the top 10.
But you know, pay is in there.
I'm thinking about pay.
I'm always thinking about pay.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
But at the same time right.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Well, you look, it is what it is.
I'm thinking about pay, but myfirst question is is okay,
where's the project?
What's the purpose of thisproject?
What are we doing?
Am I gonna be comfortable withit?
Does the dollars make sense ordoes it just make sense?
Because sometimes people willtry to pay you beer money for a
(26:02):
champagne reading Tells me howmany businesses he owns and how
he has some businesses here onthe South side of Chicago, on
the South side of, and for whatthey were paying me for to shoot
every day, I would, you know,go into the you know the thing
(26:25):
and do this.
Well, they finally needed me todo a voiceover read and there
was a miscommunication becausethey wanted me to read a certain
amount of you know scripts.
Well, I told them this is whatI charge per script.
Now the guy who I finally met,who owns this business, just got
(26:50):
finished telling you give me anexact amount of money he's
making, you know, but you'retelling me you own all these
businesses which translation?
I make a lot of money.
Okay, good for you.
So you paying me per scriptshouldn't be a problem.
Instead, you want a pity pinchand pay me what I would charge
(27:20):
per script for just the entirescript that you wanted me to
read.
That's what I look at when I'mdealing with business and being
willing to have enough courageto just take it on a chin and
walk away and not get paid atall.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, you know I was going to say the I've.
I've seen this quite often andI feel like it's just a.
I feel like it's just an.
I'm going to assume this was,this was in America, right, this
is in this country, yeah, okay.
So I'm going to assume that alot of people, if they can pay
(28:04):
you a dime to do a dollar'sworth of work, they're going to
try it.
I think that's universallyculturally right, like we're all
going to try to at least try it.
I think that what makes youthere, what we can make things
different, is them trying outwith everybody and then coming
across people who may, may, havemore value in themselves and
more value in their own work ordon't have to take that
(28:27):
opportunity.
You know what I mean, becausesome people are in positions,
jay, where they got to take anyopportunity.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Like bills are real and some people are going to
take any, any dollar and I'mgoing to try you.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
They're going to at least ask.
You know I used to work for aguy and a guy here in Atlanta
and you know downtown we had astudio right.
It's like a little audioengineering type situation.
And I tell you dude was a pennypincher bro.
Like I don't know if I could gobelow a penny, I would say he
(29:00):
was below sub penny pincher whathe would try to pay and
sometimes he didn't tell them toafter the work he was very
shady business practices.
In that sense I learned a lotof what not to do.
I'm here on this dude from NewYork, quite a character.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
I really liked him, but I did learn a lot for him.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
What, not how not to approach certain business
decisions.
You know what I mean, because Ifeel like, at the end of the
day, jay, business is businessand people are going to try you
right.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, people go people.
It's unfortunate and it canaffect the personal side of
things at times.
For me, like you know the storyI share with you early,
unfortunately.
But in turn, what you're, youknow what.
Here's the thing aboutsituations like that you learn a
lot about yourself.
You know like the type ofperson you are, because this
(29:48):
story could have been realdifferent if you've been like yo
man.
I learned a lot from him and Isaved a lot of money.
You know whatever like that,because you might have been
better than him.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
This is Reginald H L.
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