June 22, 2025 • 63 mins
In this episode, Pam sits down with Kenloch Cheung and Markus Yui to explore the integration of Reiki into divination practices. Kenloch and Markus share their journeys of blending Reiki with tools like tarot, astrology, and other forms of divination to enhance intuition and clarity.
They also discuss the couple's experience of receiving guidance to change continents, the cultural shifts they're navigating, and how Reiki has supported them in preparing for their big move.
Whether you're a practitioner of divination or looking to navigate significant life changes, this episode offers valuable insights on integrating Reiki for spiritual growth and guidance.
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Pam Allen-LeBlanc is a scientist, businesswoman, and Licensed Reiki Master Teacher (LRMT) with the International Center for Reiki Training.
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Pamela (00:07):
Hi and welcome to the Reiki from the Farm podcast
brought to you by me, Pam AllenLeBlanc from Hidden Brook Farm.
I am a scientist, abusinesswoman, and a licensed
Reiki master teacher with theInternational Center for Reiki
Training.
Each week in this podcast you'llbe entertained as you learn
about a wide variety of relevantReiki topics, helping you become
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a more knowledgeable andeffective Reiki practitioner.
We caution you, though, thispodcast may also dramatically
improve your life, and we are sohappy that you're here.
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On this podcast, I am talkingwith my student, my, and fellow
licensed Reiki master teacher,Ken Lok Chung, and his husband,
Marcus Yui, and welcome guys.
Kenloch (01:12):
And,
Pamela (01:17):
Currently they're coming to us from Hong Kong, but by the
time the podcast.
Heirs, they will be coming to usfrom Australia.
So we're going to talk a littlebit about that and also about
how Reiki can be integrated intoyour divination process.
Ken Locke wrote a beautifularticle about it, and I just
thought we had to have you onthe podcast to discuss that a
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little bit further.
Yeah,
Kenloch (01:44):
thank you for having
Pamela (01:45):
me.
It's my pleasure.
Just before we begin, I justwant to let you know what we
have coming up this summer atthe farm.
In August, the third and fourthweeks of August, we have And
Reiki level one and two andmaster class.
And those are the whale classesthat are taught in Campobello on
Campobello Island, the summerhome of Eleanor and Franklin
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Roosevelt.
If you think you would like tocome and review your classes,
it's a wonderful opportunity.
We go out whale watching on theTuesday evening after the first,
after the level one and twoclass and before the master
class and on a sunset.
Cruise and it's just stunningand by August most of the whales
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are going to be there So weshould have a really really nice
nice time and a nice trip, butdo plan if you're coming for
that class to stay a little bitlonger because There's an
international park the onlyinternational park in the world
On Campobello Island, this isjust a little island off the
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coast of Maine, just a shortbridge and and a border from
Lubeck, Maine.
And it's, it's just a marvelousclass.
I've had people drive all theway from Ohio and from Michigan,
from Connecticut you name it,for this class.
So, you know, eight and 12 and16 hour drives and, and made a
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holiday of it and it's just somuch fun.
But there's just some, it's alovely time to be on the island.
So much wonderful seafood, somuch oceans, miles of hiking
trails.
The following week we haveanimal reiki level one and two.
And again, we're We'll be goingwhale watching in between, so
please join us in August if thatspeaks to you, and then in
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October we will be havingclasses both online and in
person, and I should sayCampobello is both online and in
person and both online and inperson here at the farm, just
outside of Fredericton, NewBrunswick.
Again, Level 1 and 2, and AnimalReiki Level 1 and 2.
The masterclasses are are taughtthrough the week in the evening
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in October, as opposed tothrough the daytime, like the
summer classes.
And so the masterclasses will beonly online, but the weekend
level one and two classes willbe both.
So we'd love to have you joinus.
Kenlock, you're, you've got somuch up in the air.
Do you have anything planned forthis summer or are you, is it
still on hold for right now?
Kenloch (04:21):
So we will be in Australia by then.
And yeah.
So it's still a new adventurefor us.
So we don't really have any ideawhat's going to happen.
But I think I'll have moreonline classes by then.
And in Mandarin and in Englishor in Cantonese.
Pamela (04:36):
Yes.
Kenloch (04:37):
Welcome to join us.
Pamela (04:39):
Yeah, no, that's wonderful.
And you'll probably, you'll beteaching out of Melbourne, is
that right, Ken Lok?
So people, and people willprobably be able to attend in
person as well in Melbourne.
Kenloch (04:51):
Yeah, yeah, but they, so I have a small studio in my
home, and I think it caninclude, say, 46 people.
both (05:01):
Yeah.
Kenloch (05:01):
So if you are, if you are guided to join, I'm welcome.
Yeah.
You're really welcome.
Pamela (05:08):
Well, and just a little spoiler alert down the road, I
think in 2026 we are talkingabout having the three of us,
Ken Lok, myself and Ting.
So three licensed teachersteaching in Melbourne.
And so if that's something thatwould appeal to you, I know even
when we've taught our coteachers together, and there
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would be two of us, the, I don'tknow, the power of the class was
really strong.
So I think with three of us, andwe all have quite a bit of
experience at this point, it'sgoing to be really interesting,
isn't it?
Kenloch (05:43):
Yes.
Pamela (05:45):
So I am looking forward to that.
It's time to get back toAustralia.
Guys, before we begin, I'm justgoing to invite everybody to go
ahead and bring your handstogether in gassho with your
thumbs at your heart and justactivate Reiki.
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And the process of divination isjust so beautiful for bringing
us guidance.
And yet in order to trulyreceive the guidance, it's very
important that we be open toreceive.
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And so I invite you to just goahead and maybe include William
Rand's prayer.
Please guide me and heal me so Imay be of greater service to
myself and to others.
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And then just be open to whatyou receive, what comes through
as we go through the podcast.
Ken Luck and Marcus will betalking a little bit about How
to understand and interpret themessages and how they show up
for them.
(07:14):
And the messages show updifferently for all of us,
depending on what our prominentclairs are.
So just being open to the factthat it could be thoughts or
feelings.
Could be pictures.
It could be just a knowing.
And you can always use some ofthe tools.
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Pendulums, body dowsing, L rods,cards.
In order to obtain more clarityand discernment, but we do
invite clarity and discernmentto flow through for us today.
(08:02):
And you can always verify withdowsing the pendulum.
Is that true guidance, you know,or is it my own thought?
So there's always an opportunityto receive additional
discernment.
(08:24):
And we just take a moment togive thanks now today that we
are of this lineage ofLightbringers who are creating
wellness on the earth.
And that begins with each of uscreating wellness within
ourselves.
Aho and Namaste.
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And so Marcus and Kenlog it's sonice to have you here.
Can you guys tell us how youfirst discovered the benefits of
bringing Reiki together withyour divination practice?
And maybe even to start.
Let's just explain to people, Ithink divination is something
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that is more commonly understoodor a term that's more commonly
understood in Asia.
Let's just, let's just explainwhat that means, what divination
means, and then how youdiscovered that it could go
together with reiki
Kenloch (09:29):
No, like divination in in China.
So we also use tarot card.
It's not original from ourculture, but these, it's a very
powerful tool, so we use it.
So except tarot cards, like whatyou just said, we also use
pendulum and also other tools,but the tools that I use the
most is tarot
Markus (09:47):
cards.
Then what about you?
So I practice astrology, but Ichoose the Western astrology.
So there's a Chinese astrologyand an Indian astrology and a
lot of astrology.
And I think it's different tocars and other tools.
They'll be like looking at thechart and then like receiving
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the message from the universe.
Kenloch (10:10):
Yes.
And also, when you do astrology,there are like two kind of
chart, right?
And then, so there's like natalchart, which is like reading
your personal energies.
And then also there is horarychart
Markus (10:24):
is for.
Like event and not only ho ary,but you can do different charts
for events and then differentcharts for personal like
protection and then nato.
Kenloch (10:37):
Yeah, so the hoary chart is more like defamation.
So because you are reallylooking into like a specific
events or any question.
Yeah, yeah.
While the later child is more ofreading the path, the personal
path and personal energies.
Yeah.
So when I first discover, like,Reiki and Tarot, I think it's in
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my teenage.
So, so when I was in a, when Iwas a teenager, and I'm really
drawn to all the definition toobecause it's something more
tangible and it's something thatyou can get very easily, like
you can get a really cheap tarotcard and then you look nice and
you still work anyway.
So and at that time I alsodiscovered Reiki.
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I received a healing from afriend.
But then I was trying to learnReiki, but then the class here
are kind of expensive to me as ateenage, as a teenager.
So I was like doing the tarotcard and asking, like, what can
I do to, like, have the, havethe money to take the Reiki
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class.
And I somehow, somehow themessage came to me, said, oh,
you can do tarot card readingfor artists.
And then you can start, like,collecting money so that you can
take all the spiritual classesthat you want.
So I started to not only offertarot card reading session to my
friends and family and also toto the like, to the public.
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So but at that time, I, I thinksome issue came up.
So I think tarot cards, when wedo the reading we, Often raise
up lots of issue.
So stay the emotion, emotionalpart, or also the critical part
of the issue.
And then I think I feel a littlebit bad just to raise the issue,
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but not offering solution.
So I also trying to include asolution part in the reading.
But then I realized thatsometimes people when they came
to us, they, when they'relooking for the solution, but
then they don't really have adrive, or like the solid support
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for them to really implement thesolution.
So, like, also it came to methat, oh, I can do something,
like I can include some healingtechniques into my readings so
that the session is not onlygiving a message and also
there's like concrete help.
(13:15):
So after I learned Reiki, like Istarted to put Reiki into my
session, and I absolutely loveit.
Because it makes the wholesession, it's not just reading,
there's healing, there's powerbehind.
Yeah.
So what about you?
Markus (13:33):
So I think I started to how to say, like, look into the
stars when I was with my family.
So, they kind of like tell me,oh, that one is Aureole, that
one is Sirius, and then I thinkit's so beautiful when I was a
child to look in the sky, andthen so I think that idea, like,
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lay into my mind for a while.
And then once I start to work,like, you know, career and I
start to work in the advertisingindustry.
So I start to have somediscomfort.
I would say discomfort fromwork.
So I start to look into theproduction, like, you know, the,
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the, the boss tells you, oh,this year you're going to have
that kind of like destiny.
And then I start to have thefear, like, oh, they're going to
tell me, oh, that, that year isnot a good year, or my money is
not good.
So you start to have the fearand the, the, the negative
emotions.
(14:37):
Deep down, I don't believe thatastrology is only bringing up
the, like, you know, bad luckor, you know, it's like very
determined and it's likefatalism.
And so I start to look intodifferent ways to, you know,
open up the possibilities ofastrology.
One is like learning deeper inastrology.
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And then the other way is tolook into other tools.
To help me to stay neutral.
Okay.
So, yeah, I start to get intouch with Reiki.
And then, this Reiki to me ismore like a self helping tool.
both (15:17):
Yes.
Markus (15:18):
So, before I start to do astrology, I would do Reiki for
myself, and I would start tohave a clear mind and a more
intuitive way to, to study theastrology.
Kenloch (15:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, because when we do Reiki, wehave to be neutral, right?
Right?
So, like, we have to have theintention that to set our
personal energies and ego aside,and also, it's for the client's
highest good.
And then I, it's also the samewhen we are like giving message
to the client.
(15:52):
Like, yeah.
Like to always think of thehighest good and to, to
understand that the session isnot manipulated by our own egos.
Yeah.
The higher, so yeah, I thinktotally work.
Pamela (16:11):
I think what I noticed with almost every modality is
that when we include Reiki withit, it elevates.
That modality and so it probablydoes the same here.
I would assume.
both (16:25):
Yeah.
Pamela (16:27):
I love that.
Well, how, what have younoticed?
Like, what are some of the waysReiki can help your readings
become more accurate and moreclear?
And how do you, how do youintegrate it?
Like, how do you prepareyourself energetically?
with Reiki before, say, goinginto a divination session
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because Kenlock, for you, itsounds like you started with
divination and then, you know,and that helped you pay for your
Reiki courses.
Reiki kind of came after.
Marcus, you started as a veryyoung child with astrology and
it sounds like Reiki came alittle bit after.
So how does that work, you guys?
Kenloch (17:09):
So, like, when I first took a Reiki class, the teacher
started to do a prayer or, like,meditation right before the
class.
And then, at that, like, whenwe're doing the prayer, I feel
like, oh, I'm more grounded andI'm more centered.
And then also like when Icommute to the class, maybe I
pick up some energies from thecity, and then the energy
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somehow like gone and I'm likemore centered and grounded.
And so I'm guided, I was guidedto do a little prayer before the
reading session.
So because sometimes the clientswhen they When they really worry
about the issue and when theyreally like, care about the, the
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question and the answer.
So they, I think they need alsoa little bit of energy of let
go, letting go, so that they areopen to the message.
And also in the prayer, I willalso set an intention like the
the reading is for the client'shighest good and also abundance,
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love, freedom, or like anyenergies that they are looking
for.
So like to initially start thehealing for them.
That's
Markus (18:28):
what I would do.
Yeah.
I think for myself, I willprobably do similar things, but
I'll say because everyonelooking for an answer is
bringing with their emotions.
Like if you have an actionsabout your life about whatever
you're you're concerned, andthen you must have some kind of
like emotion attached to it.
(18:50):
So for myself I will prepare thespace, but the space is not the
physical space only, but it willbe more like a time space like
that kind of like in the time,and then holding up the session.
Like it's a space for thesession to, to be smoothly and
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it's like more how to say,communicating in a, in a better
way.
So I will prepare that for myclients and myself.
And I find it very usefulbecause Before I did it, the
communication with the clientwould be like maybe they are
very concerned and very attachedto the emotion.
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After I did the Reiki with thespace, and I find the
communication will be moresmoother and I would say they,
they, they kind of like let gomore.
Like they, they, they will leavetheir burden behind and look
forward and then they will bemore empowered, I would say.
Kenloch (19:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And also for reading session, Ithink in nature it could be a
little bit making people nervousbecause like you're really
expecting to know about yourfuture and sometimes it.
It could be exciting, but italso can bring some nervous to
people.
(20:14):
So I think it's really importantto really have some clearing
before the session, like to alsoraise our clarity for ourselves
and also the client will be morecomfortable, open, listen to
your message.
Pamela (20:31):
Ken Locke and Marcus, I guess both do you guys think
anybody Can do divination or didyou guys do special courses and
really study or is this are theis this are these natural gifts
that you have?
Kenloch (20:47):
When I first started I just like, bought a tarot card,
like, online.
I didn't know it was, like, evena fake tarot card, like, it's
not an authentic one, but that'swhat I can afford, like, as a
teenager.
But then, and I started to lookinto the book, like, included
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with the tarot card, and then Ithink it's about practicing, so
I started to ask questions on myown, like, about myself, and
then start to Like, to have toread, and then I find, oh, it's
really accurate.
And then confidence suddenly,like, build up.
So, like, I try to do it to myfriends, I'm telling them, oh, I
don't know if it's working, butlet's try.
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But then after I do the reading,oh, they let me know it's
accurate.
And then so I started to havemore and more confidence.
So start with experiments, andthen slowly build your
confidence.
And then eventually, like now,I'm really confident with my,
with my reading.
So for Teroka, I think like thepractice is really important and
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to really trust yourself, butwell, I think at that period of
time with like when I'm stilloffering the session I figured
that I need to take more classesto in like to really raise my
qualities of reading.
Yes.
The tarot card, the learningtarot card, I think there's two
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parts.
So one part is the theintuition, the connection, and
then how to trust yourself.
It's more the inner practice.
But then another part is morethe intellectual thing.
It's about how you can describethe, the card to the, to the
clients.
In a more comprehensive way, andyou have more knowledge base, so
(22:38):
eventually I decided to takemore classes, but I think that
classes cannot teach us how totrust ourselves, but we have to
trust ourselves by practicingand by more having more
experience.
Pamela (22:53):
Yes.
Kenloch (22:54):
Yeah.
So I think astrology is kind ofthe same, but like, what about
you?
Yeah, how did
Pamela (23:00):
you get started, Marcus?
Something that you feel anyonecan do, or is it something you
have to have a special gift?
Markus (23:08):
I would say astrology is more how to say, like a, a, a,
a, a calculation, I'll say.
Also about calculation, everyonecan do it.
Okay.
It depends on how much you havedevoted your time to practice.
So I started with you know, thebook, Telling Your Fortune,
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right?
And then I started to wonder,because I'm a person that I
will, I will always askquestions that why?
Because it's not like.
If, if it's not understandable,then I cannot take it in.
both (23:45):
So
Markus (23:46):
I always ask, why is that happen?
So I start to look in each, howto say, like, like the, the,
the, the result that the, thebook tells me, and I start
looking back to the chart.
So why is that going tocalculate in that result?
So I start to kind of like selftaught in that way.
(24:08):
And then I feel like I'm notvery capable to read every
single calculations.
So I started to go to theschool.
And so it starts from verybeginning, like, you know, all
the signs and very foundationknowledge, and then develop to a
very, you know, complicated andvery symbolic.
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techniques.
And then today I'm stilllearning.
And I always find it to be verywonderful to know why is that
symbolic to the result with thatkind of like constellations.
Pamela (24:46):
Yeah.
I know Kenlog before you and Ibegan working together with me
as your mentor.
You had asked me for my date andtime of birth so that you
Kenloch (24:57):
would know.
Yeah, I was asking Marcus likeif we can get along.
Pamela (25:05):
Marcus must have told you yes because we've done well
together.
Kenloch (25:09):
I don't remember.
I remember when I asked him.
So he said that you have thebold sign from my, from my
parents.
Pamela (25:24):
So you
Kenloch (25:24):
are, yeah, because you have cancer, right?
Pamela (25:26):
Yes, I am.
Kenloch (25:27):
Yeah, and my, my dad is cancer.
And then there's Capricorn inyour child as well.
And then my mom is a Capricorn.
So yeah.
Pamela (25:37):
Funny.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And, you know you're you areabout the age of my oldest
daughter.
And you, my oldest daughter, Ithink are the same age.
And and that was a, I, I canremember when they chose like us
to, to partner together.
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That was a consideration becausethey said, you know, I'm, I'm
very used to working withpeople, and my daughter and I
work together, so I'm very usedto working with people in that
age, so.
So that is funny, but I love it.
I love it.
Well guys.
One of the things I think Reikimust do for you as you're doing
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this work is it must help youclear all that mental and your
own mental and emotional clutterso you can have better insights.
How do you find that?
Kenloch (26:33):
So I think when we learn Reiki we have to learn how
to put our ego aside.
I think that initially helped meto like kind of in that state
when I'm doing a reading.
But what I discovered is thatsometimes the clients emotional
clutter can affect the readingas well.
Because because the internalcard, you have to kind of like
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pull a card, right?
So you're bringing your ownenergy to pull a card.
And so when they're having thestrong emotion, or they, when
they are in kind of like adesperate Yes.
And then when, when they kind ofstill feeling not very, not very
good with the issue, they can,it somehow affects the c clarity
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of the clients.
So they might not pick the cothey're guided to pick.
It's more like bringing thefeeling or the emotion into the,
into the falling pot.
So I think the prayer reallyhelp because is there's already
some healing and then they areals also helping them to be more
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open to the message.
And yeah.
And I, I start to find that myclient are being more and
they're more neutral when theyare pulling the cart.
And then the cards always showthe lovely message to them.
And then also.
I think what Reiki teaches us isthat everything has a solution.
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So when you're in trouble andwhen you're in some challenges
that you're facing there'salways something that you can do
to help with the situation.
Like, we are never hopeless.
There is always Hope andguidance and help from the
universe.
both (28:15):
So,
Kenloch (28:16):
I think having that energy in my mind and having
that in my energy field, I kindof like affect my clients that,
okay, even the card shows anegative message, you always
have the power to, to conquerit.
And yeah.
So, like, to really help them tolearn the lesson in between, and
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instead of just staying in thestage of fear and desperate.
Pamela (28:44):
I love
Kenloch (28:44):
that.
Pamela (28:45):
Yeah, what do you find, Marcus?
Markus (28:47):
So I think it's more on myself, like, when I was reading
astrology.
So I would say because withoutReiki, the, the reading will be
more less intuitive.
So, you're kind of like runningaround the chart, and then you
don't know where to start.
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Because there's so muchinformation on the chart.
Pamela (29:11):
Oh my god.
Crazy.
It's
Markus (29:13):
like lost.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's so much information.
Yeah, true.
And after Reiki, I find it very,very useful that I will catch
the key perspective very easily.
Like because I found that thestyle is kind of like blurring,
as I say, blinging, telling me,oh, hi, I'm here, start with me.
Pamela (29:38):
Right.
And, and so it's just, that'sneat.
I noticed that too, that myintuition got so much stronger
with Reiki, and it's almost likewords are bolded, you know, if
I'm supposed to notice, it'salmost like things are bolded
or, yeah.
Like you said, so yeah, I lovethat, so it's really helpful
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then.
Kenloch (30:00):
Yeah, it's like, it's like clear for, for us, right?
Like we started to images thatthe, the symbol is telling us,
is telling us something, istalking to us.
Yes.
Pamela (30:12):
I love that, you guys.
Well, and do you guys, do youhave any examples of how you
noticed that you got clearerguidance through divination with
Reiki?
Do you have, is there any,anything that comes to mind?
Kenloch (30:29):
I think tarot card for, for tarot card, because there's
so many symbols in one card, andone card has multiple meanings.
So say, the death, the card, thedeath.
Death
Pamela (30:40):
is the card everybody's scared of.
Kenloch (30:42):
Yeah, right, right, right.
Yeah, but, so death, like, itshows like like a death of, a
god of death, and then it'sshowing you the things it's
going to end.
But then the also, there's alsoa sunrise behind the picture,
also showing there's a new, newstart.
So sometimes when we're reading,like we have to decide which
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message we are conveying.
So because sometimes it can justmean something is going to end,
some bad things is going to end.
And sometimes you can say, oh,some good things is going to
happen.
Like that.
Then we have to, like, thinkabout which part is more.
For the clients.
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It's more accurate for theclients.
So, like, when, when I'm reallyincluding Reiki, like, say, when
I did the prayer and also askedReiki to be with us during the
whole session, just like whatMonica said, I feel like the
symbol is glowing.
I feel like the symbol is, like,really talking to me, that, oh,
it's me, it's me.
(31:45):
It's not another one, it's me,it's me.
So, or both, they are shining,so I can let them know that both
messages.
And yeah, so to, to really, toreally make things more
comprehensive and more down toearth.
Because I think for all thedefinition too, sometimes the
message is really from the simsymbolic side, which means it's
(32:08):
more, it's not, it's notconcrete is not very abstract.
Yeah, it's very abstract.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah, so our job as a, as afortune teller or as an
astrologer is to, is to reallymake the message to become more
down to earth.
And then I think like by talkingto the symbol, it really helped
(32:31):
me to make things more down toearth.
Pamela (32:35):
I love that.
And Marcus, is there anythingyou can think of, any examples
where you noticed Reiki made abig difference?
Markus (32:45):
Yeah, I do have a, a client that I would say her case
is very, Profound.
Yeah.
Because she met me for the firsttime, it's because she is taking
my class for astrology, likevery small class, and, and I was
(33:06):
reading the chart on class, andthen I suddenly have the, the
message of telling her, oh,maybe you want to take a body
check.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, and then, because I don'twant to scare her and then say,
(33:26):
like, all the bad things aboutthe child, and then just tell
her, oh, maybe you want to checkout.
And then she did, and then shecame back to me and said, oh, I
got the very early stage cancer.
And then, yeah.
And then she asked me, oh, canyou do me a, a electional chart?
(33:48):
So we do electional chart fordifferent things.
We do the chart for selectingthe best time to do the things.
Like that one was, she askingme, oh, what time should I take
the surgery?
Because the doctor let mechoose.
So I picked the time for her,and then I think, I think she
(34:09):
was going under very, like,strong emotion, so I start to
send her Reiki, and then to tellher, oh, I can see the, the, the
image of you getting better andthen completely fine and being
healthy.
And then so I think she iscompletely cured.
(34:30):
And then it's like, finish allthe surgery and the treatments
and then she is very healthynow.
Yeah, she took my
Kenloch (34:38):
regular class as
Markus (34:39):
well
Kenloch (34:39):
and then she recovered real quick, like really, really
quick.
So when she first learned levelone, two, it was in June and she
still have to take the classonline at home because she's
receiving all the treatment.
Chemo.
Yes.
And then she said she's not in agood stage.
Yeah.
(34:59):
So yeah, she started the classat home and then when she came
to my master class at December.
Wow.
She's like fully recovered She'slike really six months
energetic.
She's so energetic.
Markus (35:16):
I think even when she was.
Going under the kibble, she islike Not that bad.
It's like one day or two days.
It makes
Pamela (35:25):
a difference, doesn't it?
Kenloch (35:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And also, and also she, her hairall grow up now.
Like, her hair is here now.
Nice.
She said she didn't expect herhair to grow so fast.
Pamela (35:43):
No, I, that's fantastic.
What a great story.
Thank you guys.
And it's kind of neat that youcan tag team and help her so
much.
So that's, that's awesome.
I'm assuming.
Reiki helps you maintain clarityand inner peace during
significant life changes, buttell me about how you received
(36:09):
the message about moving to anew continent and then how's
Reiki been helping you withthat?
Kenloch (36:18):
Hmm, so I think so when we We just feel kind of, like,
guided to go there, but wealways have a little bit not
sure if we should do that.
Pamela (36:29):
And people, people that are listening Ken Lok and Marcus
are heading to Australia.
They're going to be living therepermanently, right?
Yes.
Okay, so there, Lok, I'll just
Kenloch (36:44):
So, I think Marcus got his PL at like, 2021, and we are
thinking, we are always thinkingof the timing, that what time
should we go there.
And then we do some chartreading, and also tarot card
reading as well.
But then, I think it's about,it's, I think it's a really good
lesson, because When we look atthe card, and then look at a
(37:06):
chart, we pick some dates, buteventually it's not those dates.
It's the dates that wecompletely feel ready.
I think, although the universesends you the message that it's
the best time, we still have toconnect with our intuition, and
we also have our free will todecide which timing, right?
both (37:27):
That's right.
Kenloch (37:28):
Yeah, so I think after doing all the healing and all
the inside work, all the innerwork to help ourselves to get
ready.
So we decided to move like thisyear.
So which is really exciting.
And I feel Reiki is always therefor us.
So say, I think the biggestchallenge, like when we trying
(37:51):
to move to Melbourne is to finda place to live.
Yes.
Because if you, if you areliving in Melbourne, so say if
the, the, so if your audience isliving in Melbourne, you know
that it's very hard to find aplace to live as a new immigrant
in Melbourne because it's reallycompetitive.
And then, so, there's a story.
(38:13):
So we asked Reiki to help us outto look into, like, different
houses.
And then so there are a coupleof houses coming up, so I think
before that when I'm living inHong Kong, when I'm not using
Reiki to kind of help me to lookinto houses and the place to
live, I always go into thoseplaces that look nice on the
(38:37):
picture.
But then when I, it's veryhaunted.
It's very, very haunted.
And they were just going in,like, it's making me
uncomfortable.
But I think after using Reiki,all the, all the leasing came to
me.
I think if we give it a point,it's at least 70.
(38:57):
It's not like 20 and 30.
It's at least 70 something.
So so we are choosing from thegood option, but I think that's
what we can help.
And then this story came to usis that so there is a house in a
place called Paran in Melbourne.
And then when we go there, so weare first, we're having a really
(39:18):
good relationship with the, withthe agent.
And then we like the house aswell.
There's like beautiful roses,beautiful white roses in the
front yard, and there's somebeautiful plant on the deck as
well.
And then we just feel like, oh,it could be a good option.
I think it came to me in my mindthat if we are rating it is
around 75, or like 80.
(39:42):
Yeah.
So we started to like when weSend the application, and when
we communicate with the agent,we started to send Reiki into
the situation.
Like, before each conversation.
Like, before each conversation.
Right.
But, well, each time ourconversation get worse.
our conversation started to havea little bit, I don't know, like
(40:04):
the, like, the suspecting, like,like, they, I feel like the, the
agent is suspecting us, becausemaybe we said something that is
not aligning to his expectation.
Yes.
So, Eventually, verydramatically, after we sent
Reiki right away, we received anemail telling us that we are
(40:27):
rejected, so our application isnot approved.
And we called and asked theagent if there's anything that
we can do.
So the agent said, Oh.
You know what, after lookinginto all your financial
documents, with, I feel like youare, you are maybe in debt, or
your, your source of income isnot, it's not clear.
(40:49):
And I was like, how come I don'tknow that I'm in debt?
both (40:53):
I
Kenloch (40:55):
don't know what happened, but like, eventually
he said that.
I don't know if He just don'twant to, like rent it to us, so
he made up something.
I don't know why.
both (41:05):
But
Kenloch (41:06):
then, I think Reiki, at that moment, is telling me that,
oh, because you do so manyhealings, and then now your soul
has elevated, and now you aremore open to better options.
So you chose a place with 75 andnow you're ready for, for a
(41:26):
place for a hundred, over ahundred.
So eventually we find a houseinteract.
And then the price is more orless similar, and then with a
really kind agent, and a reallykeen agent, and the house, the
location, and the suburb itselfis a lot better than before.
Markus (41:47):
I remember the agent even asked us, Oh, do you want
to have a lower price?
Kenloch (41:53):
Because it's kind of like not possible to really
negotiate the price inMelbourne, in my understanding.
Yeah.
But then the agent asked if youwant to negotiate a little bit,
like we can So if we want tonegotiate, she can work on this.
Oh, so it's just
Pamela (42:08):
a
Kenloch (42:09):
completely
Pamela (42:09):
different experience.
Kenloch (42:12):
Yes.
And the agent is really trustingas well.
So when she know that Marcus gotthe Global Talent Visa, so she,
she was like, oh yeah, so she'sreliable.
So Marcus is reliable.
We are reliable.
So we didn't really have manyconversations.
Like, after we sent theapplication for one day, we got
(42:33):
approved already.
Yeah, so I think Ricky kind ofLike, telling us that you always
have a, you will always have abetter option.
Yeah, and don't just, likeaccept the, the, The worst one.
You can, you can always have thebetter one.
You can always.
(42:53):
And then when you do morehealing, you're open to the
better option every time.
Pamela (42:59):
I
Kenloch (42:59):
love
Pamela (43:01):
that.
We're, I, yeah.
Guys, if someone's new todivination or to Reiki, what
would you suggest to them?
you know, for getting started.
Kenloch (43:16):
Hmm.
So I think like that, likedifferent stages, right?
Like, like different things youcan do for your session.
So I think the first thing isbefore the session that before
your, you have a connection witha client.
I think you can always sendReiki to your post.
You can always send Reiki to theadvertisement.
(43:39):
So, and so you are attractingthe high, called clients for
both of your highest goods.
So you are serving the highest,client's highest good and you
also, that client is alwaysserving your highest good.
Markus (43:54):
I think we, we encounter some very interesting clients.
So when they first came to us,it's like very, How to say,
like, like, like, nervous,challenging, and they're very
questionable about your serviceand everything.
So I kept sending the Reiki tothem, and then after the
(44:17):
section, they became very loyal.
Like, they trust you.
Yes.
And then they came to you everytime when they have questions or
they have anything in theirmind.
Kenloch (44:31):
Yeah,
Markus (44:32):
definitely.
Kenloch (44:33):
So I still remember that student that you're talking
about.
So she eventually came to myReiki class and like practically
all of the Reiki class.
both (44:44):
Wow.
And
Kenloch (44:45):
then yeah, and she said, like, like, recently she
sent me a message telling methat, oh, I'm so lucky to have
the first session with Marcus.
And then I think it totallychanged the whole path that she
planned.
Yeah, so I think you Always,when you send the reiki to your
(45:05):
post, it's the beginning of alovely story.
And the story that you, like,encounter with your clients
could be a way to build yourconfidence and your faith to
your definition too.
So that's the first step.
It's very important.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I would say the next thingis to write your own prayer,
(45:28):
like to help yourself to do thepreparation before the class.
But before the session.
And also before the class, yeah.
So when we, like, when you writea prayer, you can start to think
of what kind of energy that youwant your client to have.
So say you, you, if you're doingreading about financially or the
(45:51):
career path, then you can alwaysask Reiki to bring sustenance,
the energy of abundance and thetrust.
And then also like to help themto really connect with their
spirits so they are, they aremore in tuned with their life
path, like the highest life pathand stuff.
(46:13):
And then when you, like, writedifferent kind of prayer, at
that time you're also healingyourself, because The, the word
that you are going to say outloud is a mantra, it's a spell
to yourself as well.
So yeah, it's both healing foryou and your clients, like when
you started to have a prayer.
(46:34):
So During the session, whatwould you do during the session?
Like, how do you ask
Markus (46:41):
Reiki?
I think I would keep away if I'mneutral.
So I keep sending Reikithroughout the whole session,
but I'm not like, really doingsomething.
It's like consciously knowingthat Reiki is helping me.
Yeah.
Kenloch (46:58):
Yeah.
So what I would do is empoweringmy voice.
So, like, to help my voice is,becomes a healing energy, and
you're not just conveyingmessages or, like, raising up
issues, it's more like thehealing energies, so that when
the clients hear my words, it'salso a healing frequency for
(47:22):
them, very much.
Yeah.
So and also during the session,like, we, we talk about DAOs,
right, like Pam talked aboutDAOs in her class.
like animal communication class.
Yeah,
Pamela (47:35):
dowsing is a form of divination that I love.
Yeah.
Kenloch (47:41):
So I think I asked Reiki to help me to dowse as
well, like to really help me tochoose the best symbol to
interpret.
Yeah.
So it's during the session.
So after the session, it'salways Very helpful to do
Kenyoku.
But it's very important.
(48:01):
Kenyoku is really important.
And Kenyoku
Pamela (48:05):
is dry bathing you guys, where you just swipe, make an X
over your body with Reiki andthen swipe your arms and release
anything you might have pickedup.
Kenloch (48:17):
So because we include Reiki in the session, sometimes
the session got more deep.
So our connection with theclients got more deep as well.
So it's very important to reallydo kenyoku.
Yes.
And then what I discovered fromsome of my fortune telling,
fortune teller fellow, is thatthey, sometimes they got a
(48:39):
little bit challenged to let goof the client.
Like to, like, after they do thesession, they are still a little
bit worried about the client.
And it happened, it alsohappened at my early stage.
Yeah.
Of giving session.
So, I think what Reiki can helpis to, is to always write your
name, what, write down theclient's name into your crystal
(49:03):
grid, into a Reiki grid.
Okay.
Yes.
So that, at that time, so whenyou write that down, you're kind
of having, you can also have theintention to elect all the
clients.
So let the grid do the work.
And yes,
Pamela (49:17):
let the grid send them Reiki and then you can detach
from the outcome.
Kenloch (49:22):
Yeah, well, I like to describe Reiki is that Reiki is
a process of transition, yourworry into blessing.
So like when we are worrying.
At that time, like say when wedo Reiki, so we are shifting our
mind from worrying about theclient becoming the blessing the
(49:45):
client.
So using the energy to sendblessing instead.
Pamela (49:51):
I love that.
And you know, I don't know aboutyou guys, but I find that every
client who comes to me teachesme something.
And they teach me somethingabout Reiki, they teach me
something about myself, theyit's, it's fascinating.
And so I'm sure you find thattoo.
Kenloch (50:10):
Yeah.
And Session became more, moreand more lovely.
Pamela (50:15):
Yes.
Because
Kenloch (50:16):
I think what so when people what I heard from my
student, who is also a fortuneteller, so she said she picked
up lots of negative energy.
just giving session, because Ithink it's the culture here, or
it's all around the world, ifyou are asking something by
(50:36):
astrology, by tarot card, you,you will worry about something,
you, it's very natural.
But then so before Reiki,because My, my student also care
about the client, so it makesher to always pick up all the
negative energy.
But, yeah, and then when you dodry bathing, or also the prayer,
or also just send the Reiki toyour host, it, it can somehow,
(51:00):
like, elevate the wholesituation.
So the client that you'reattracting, they are open to
higher message.
And then also there's like theconsciousness of the whole
session just elevate, you're notmaking up the whole energy.
Yeah.
And it becomes a very, verylovely session.
And I always think about that,about the world peace idea.
(51:24):
So, let's talk about worldpeace, right.
I think like giving, giving atarot card reading or say
astrology reading is acontribution to world peace as
well.
Because we are helping ourselvesand the clients become more
peaceful.
And when they're back to theirlife, and then they also can
bring their peaceful, peaceenergy to the, to their life and
(51:48):
people around them.
So yeah, it's very lovely.
Like, I would like to say, like,every time when I do a reading
is contribution to the worldpeace.
Pamela (52:00):
No, that's a good point, because you're right.
Like, if you are going for areading, it's because,
obviously, you're, in French,the word for worry is inquiet.
Inquiet.
You're, you're, you're inquietand unquiet about something.
And so, yeah.
If you can feel morecomfortable, more confident in
(52:21):
the outcome, then of course,then you could feel more
peaceful.
So that's a really good way tolook at it, Kenlock.
I never thought about it thatway.
Well guys, just to wrap up todayI'm gonna lead us in a little
meditation.
And this is just a meditationfor all of us the listeners and,
(52:43):
and us ourselves to just useReiki to help us find clarity
and guidance for ourselves and,and with our own life going
forward.
So I'm just going to inviteeverybody to make yourselves
comfortable and you can sit orlie down and just close your
eyes, taking a deep breath andjust noticing as the breath
(53:09):
fills your lungs.
And it fills your lungs withReiki, just imagining the Reiki
symbols and the energy fillingthe room that you're in and you
can draw any symbols or speaktheir names or invoke them,
(53:31):
however you do.
And so on every in breath asReiki fills your breath, I
invite you to release on yourexhale any worries or tension
from your body, your mind, yoursoul, or your spirit and just
(53:53):
settle into this present moment.
And I invite you to let go ofanything that's not here right
now.
And you may notice that you getmore and more grounded and
centered with each breath, morealigned with Reiki.
(54:21):
And just allow yourself tobecome still as we journey
inward today.
You can go ahead and place yourhands on your heart, feeling the
warmth of your hands, the pulseof your energy.
(54:45):
And on your next inhale andexhale, just imagine Reiki
flowing from your hands andbeginning to fill your body with
light and allow this light togrow and to flow through you.
(55:09):
And as it does, it brings peaceand clarity and balance.
And as you continue to breathe,just imagine the Reiki energy is
expanding, filling your entirebeing with its peaceful,
calming, healing energy.
(55:36):
And just noticing that the lightas it moves through your body,
it clears away tension, fear,mental clutter.
And that clutter could be inyour mind or your heart, or even
in your body.
(55:57):
Now I invite you to bring yourawareness to the space.
Just in front of you and imaginea beautiful beam of light, Reiki
shines down from above and itconnects you to your higher
self, your inner wisdom and yourdeepest intuition.
(56:26):
With every breath, just feelthat connection growing
stronger.
And I invite you to openyourself up to receive clear
guidance.
From within, from your higherself now.
In this space, there's nobarriers.
(56:47):
There's only clarity and truth.
So just allowing your mind tobecome still, letting the Reiki
energy open your heart now tothe messages that are waiting
for you.
And just trust that any guidanceyou receive now is for your
(57:10):
highest good.
So if you have any questions oryou're looking for guidance on
something, You can go ahead andask those now and just notice
the Reiki energy flows throughyou just amplifying your
connection to your innerknowing.
(57:35):
And as we breathe, just allowthe answers to emerge, whether
it's a feeling, a word, or animage.
And just understanding thatyou're fully supported in
receiving the clarity andguidance, and I invite you to
trust the answers that come toyou now.
You're open to divine wisdom.
(57:58):
And it flows freely to you, sogo ahead and ask those questions
and just pause in the stillnessto listen for the answers and
we'll remain here together for afew moments today.
(01:00:07):
And as you continue to sit inthis space of clarity, you might
wish to repeat to yourself, I amopen to receiving clear and
powerful guidance.
My intuition is sharp andaligned with my highest good.
I trust the wisdom that flowsthrough me.
(01:00:31):
And just feel the truth of thesewords resonate within you,
grounding you in the belief thatyou're always connected to your
intuition and inner wisdom.
And we'll just spend a few moremoments listening from this
highest space, knowing that youcan come back here at any time,
(01:01:47):
whenever it feels right to you,you can just slowly begin to
bring your awareness back toyour breath.
And just invite the Reiki energyto continue flowing through you,
filled with peace and healing.
(01:02:08):
And on every inhale, just feelthe guidance you received
settling into your heart andmind and with every exhale, just
releasing any additional doubtsor lingering questions.
(01:02:31):
You can bring yourself back tothe present moment.
Just take a deep breath in.
And as you exhale, just slowlyopening your eyes, bringing the
beautiful clarity and guidanceyou received with you into your
day.
(01:02:54):
Guys, I want to Thank you somuch for being here with us
today and talking aboutdivination.
I find it fascinating.
And in fact, after we're donetalking, I have a few questions
for you and might get you topull the card.
(01:03:15):
Sure, definitely.
Awesome.
And we wish you all the best onyour move to Australia.
I'm sure we'll be talking to youagain from over there.
And to everyone listening justtrust your intuition.
(01:03:35):
You've got this.
Keep shining your beautifullight in the world.
It needs you right now.
Thank you.
Namaste.
Bye everyone.
Hi and welcome to the Reiki from the Farm podcast
brought to you by me, Pam AllenLeBlanc from Hidden Brook Farm.
I am a scientist, abusinesswoman, and a licensed
Reiki master teacher with theInternational Center for Reiki
Training.
Each week in this podcast you'llbe entertained as you learn
about a wide variety of relevantReiki topics, helping you become
(00:30):
a more knowledgeable andeffective Reiki practitioner.
We caution you, though, thispodcast may also dramatically
improve your life, and we are sohappy that you're here.
(00:57):
On this podcast, I am talkingwith my student, my, and fellow
licensed Reiki master teacher,Ken Lok Chung, and his husband,
Marcus Yui, and welcome guys.
Kenloch (01:12):
And,
Pamela (01:17):
Currently they're coming to us from Hong Kong, but by the
time the podcast.
Heirs, they will be coming to usfrom Australia.
So we're going to talk a littlebit about that and also about
how Reiki can be integrated intoyour divination process.
Ken Locke wrote a beautifularticle about it, and I just
thought we had to have you onthe podcast to discuss that a
(01:40):
little bit further.
Yeah,
Kenloch (01:44):
thank you for having
Pamela (01:45):
me.
It's my pleasure.
Just before we begin, I justwant to let you know what we
have coming up this summer atthe farm.
In August, the third and fourthweeks of August, we have And
Reiki level one and two andmaster class.
And those are the whale classesthat are taught in Campobello on
Campobello Island, the summerhome of Eleanor and Franklin
(02:06):
Roosevelt.
If you think you would like tocome and review your classes,
it's a wonderful opportunity.
We go out whale watching on theTuesday evening after the first,
after the level one and twoclass and before the master
class and on a sunset.
Cruise and it's just stunningand by August most of the whales
(02:30):
are going to be there So weshould have a really really nice
nice time and a nice trip, butdo plan if you're coming for
that class to stay a little bitlonger because There's an
international park the onlyinternational park in the world
On Campobello Island, this isjust a little island off the
(02:51):
coast of Maine, just a shortbridge and and a border from
Lubeck, Maine.
And it's, it's just a marvelousclass.
I've had people drive all theway from Ohio and from Michigan,
from Connecticut you name it,for this class.
So, you know, eight and 12 and16 hour drives and, and made a
(03:14):
holiday of it and it's just somuch fun.
But there's just some, it's alovely time to be on the island.
So much wonderful seafood, somuch oceans, miles of hiking
trails.
The following week we haveanimal reiki level one and two.
And again, we're We'll be goingwhale watching in between, so
please join us in August if thatspeaks to you, and then in
(03:36):
October we will be havingclasses both online and in
person, and I should sayCampobello is both online and in
person and both online and inperson here at the farm, just
outside of Fredericton, NewBrunswick.
Again, Level 1 and 2, and AnimalReiki Level 1 and 2.
The masterclasses are are taughtthrough the week in the evening
(03:59):
in October, as opposed tothrough the daytime, like the
summer classes.
And so the masterclasses will beonly online, but the weekend
level one and two classes willbe both.
So we'd love to have you joinus.
Kenlock, you're, you've got somuch up in the air.
Do you have anything planned forthis summer or are you, is it
still on hold for right now?
Kenloch (04:21):
So we will be in Australia by then.
And yeah.
So it's still a new adventurefor us.
So we don't really have any ideawhat's going to happen.
But I think I'll have moreonline classes by then.
And in Mandarin and in Englishor in Cantonese.
Pamela (04:36):
Yes.
Kenloch (04:37):
Welcome to join us.
Pamela (04:39):
Yeah, no, that's wonderful.
And you'll probably, you'll beteaching out of Melbourne, is
that right, Ken Lok?
So people, and people willprobably be able to attend in
person as well in Melbourne.
Kenloch (04:51):
Yeah, yeah, but they, so I have a small studio in my
home, and I think it caninclude, say, 46 people.
both (05:01):
Yeah.
Kenloch (05:01):
So if you are, if you are guided to join, I'm welcome.
Yeah.
You're really welcome.
Pamela (05:08):
Well, and just a little spoiler alert down the road, I
think in 2026 we are talkingabout having the three of us,
Ken Lok, myself and Ting.
So three licensed teachersteaching in Melbourne.
And so if that's something thatwould appeal to you, I know even
when we've taught our coteachers together, and there
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would be two of us, the, I don'tknow, the power of the class was
really strong.
So I think with three of us, andwe all have quite a bit of
experience at this point, it'sgoing to be really interesting,
isn't it?
Kenloch (05:43):
Yes.
Pamela (05:45):
So I am looking forward to that.
It's time to get back toAustralia.
Guys, before we begin, I'm justgoing to invite everybody to go
ahead and bring your handstogether in gassho with your
thumbs at your heart and justactivate Reiki.
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And the process of divination isjust so beautiful for bringing
us guidance.
And yet in order to trulyreceive the guidance, it's very
important that we be open toreceive.
(06:29):
And so I invite you to just goahead and maybe include William
Rand's prayer.
Please guide me and heal me so Imay be of greater service to
myself and to others.
(06:51):
And then just be open to whatyou receive, what comes through
as we go through the podcast.
Ken Luck and Marcus will betalking a little bit about How
to understand and interpret themessages and how they show up
for them.
(07:14):
And the messages show updifferently for all of us,
depending on what our prominentclairs are.
So just being open to the factthat it could be thoughts or
feelings.
Could be pictures.
It could be just a knowing.
And you can always use some ofthe tools.
(07:36):
Pendulums, body dowsing, L rods,cards.
In order to obtain more clarityand discernment, but we do
invite clarity and discernmentto flow through for us today.
(08:02):
And you can always verify withdowsing the pendulum.
Is that true guidance, you know,or is it my own thought?
So there's always an opportunityto receive additional
discernment.
(08:24):
And we just take a moment togive thanks now today that we
are of this lineage ofLightbringers who are creating
wellness on the earth.
And that begins with each of uscreating wellness within
ourselves.
Aho and Namaste.
(08:51):
And so Marcus and Kenlog it's sonice to have you here.
Can you guys tell us how youfirst discovered the benefits of
bringing Reiki together withyour divination practice?
And maybe even to start.
Let's just explain to people, Ithink divination is something
(09:13):
that is more commonly understoodor a term that's more commonly
understood in Asia.
Let's just, let's just explainwhat that means, what divination
means, and then how youdiscovered that it could go
together with reiki
Kenloch (09:29):
No, like divination in in China.
So we also use tarot card.
It's not original from ourculture, but these, it's a very
powerful tool, so we use it.
So except tarot cards, like whatyou just said, we also use
pendulum and also other tools,but the tools that I use the
most is tarot
Markus (09:47):
cards.
Then what about you?
So I practice astrology, but Ichoose the Western astrology.
So there's a Chinese astrologyand an Indian astrology and a
lot of astrology.
And I think it's different tocars and other tools.
They'll be like looking at thechart and then like receiving
(10:08):
the message from the universe.
Kenloch (10:10):
Yes.
And also, when you do astrology,there are like two kind of
chart, right?
And then, so there's like natalchart, which is like reading
your personal energies.
And then also there is horarychart
Markus (10:24):
is for.
Like event and not only ho ary,but you can do different charts
for events and then differentcharts for personal like
protection and then nato.
Kenloch (10:37):
Yeah, so the hoary chart is more like defamation.
So because you are reallylooking into like a specific
events or any question.
Yeah, yeah.
While the later child is more ofreading the path, the personal
path and personal energies.
Yeah.
So when I first discover, like,Reiki and Tarot, I think it's in
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my teenage.
So, so when I was in a, when Iwas a teenager, and I'm really
drawn to all the definition toobecause it's something more
tangible and it's something thatyou can get very easily, like
you can get a really cheap tarotcard and then you look nice and
you still work anyway.
So and at that time I alsodiscovered Reiki.
(11:25):
I received a healing from afriend.
But then I was trying to learnReiki, but then the class here
are kind of expensive to me as ateenage, as a teenager.
So I was like doing the tarotcard and asking, like, what can
I do to, like, have the, havethe money to take the Reiki
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class.
And I somehow, somehow themessage came to me, said, oh,
you can do tarot card readingfor artists.
And then you can start, like,collecting money so that you can
take all the spiritual classesthat you want.
So I started to not only offertarot card reading session to my
friends and family and also toto the like, to the public.
(12:08):
So but at that time, I, I thinksome issue came up.
So I think tarot cards, when wedo the reading we, Often raise
up lots of issue.
So stay the emotion, emotionalpart, or also the critical part
of the issue.
And then I think I feel a littlebit bad just to raise the issue,
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but not offering solution.
So I also trying to include asolution part in the reading.
But then I realized thatsometimes people when they came
to us, they, when they'relooking for the solution, but
then they don't really have adrive, or like the solid support
(12:53):
for them to really implement thesolution.
So, like, also it came to methat, oh, I can do something,
like I can include some healingtechniques into my readings so
that the session is not onlygiving a message and also
there's like concrete help.
(13:15):
So after I learned Reiki, like Istarted to put Reiki into my
session, and I absolutely loveit.
Because it makes the wholesession, it's not just reading,
there's healing, there's powerbehind.
Yeah.
So what about you?
Markus (13:33):
So I think I started to how to say, like, look into the
stars when I was with my family.
So, they kind of like tell me,oh, that one is Aureole, that
one is Sirius, and then I thinkit's so beautiful when I was a
child to look in the sky, andthen so I think that idea, like,
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lay into my mind for a while.
And then once I start to work,like, you know, career and I
start to work in the advertisingindustry.
So I start to have somediscomfort.
I would say discomfort fromwork.
So I start to look into theproduction, like, you know, the,
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the, the boss tells you, oh,this year you're going to have
that kind of like destiny.
And then I start to have thefear, like, oh, they're going to
tell me, oh, that, that year isnot a good year, or my money is
not good.
So you start to have the fearand the, the, the negative
emotions.
(14:37):
Deep down, I don't believe thatastrology is only bringing up
the, like, you know, bad luckor, you know, it's like very
determined and it's likefatalism.
And so I start to look intodifferent ways to, you know,
open up the possibilities ofastrology.
One is like learning deeper inastrology.
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And then the other way is tolook into other tools.
To help me to stay neutral.
Okay.
So, yeah, I start to get intouch with Reiki.
And then, this Reiki to me ismore like a self helping tool.
both (15:17):
Yes.
Markus (15:18):
So, before I start to do astrology, I would do Reiki for
myself, and I would start tohave a clear mind and a more
intuitive way to, to study theastrology.
Kenloch (15:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, because when we do Reiki, wehave to be neutral, right?
Right?
So, like, we have to have theintention that to set our
personal energies and ego aside,and also, it's for the client's
highest good.
And then I, it's also the samewhen we are like giving message
to the client.
(15:52):
Like, yeah.
Like to always think of thehighest good and to, to
understand that the session isnot manipulated by our own egos.
Yeah.
The higher, so yeah, I thinktotally work.
Pamela (16:11):
I think what I noticed with almost every modality is
that when we include Reiki withit, it elevates.
That modality and so it probablydoes the same here.
I would assume.
both (16:25):
Yeah.
Pamela (16:27):
I love that.
Well, how, what have younoticed?
Like, what are some of the waysReiki can help your readings
become more accurate and moreclear?
And how do you, how do youintegrate it?
Like, how do you prepareyourself energetically?
with Reiki before, say, goinginto a divination session
(16:49):
because Kenlock, for you, itsounds like you started with
divination and then, you know,and that helped you pay for your
Reiki courses.
Reiki kind of came after.
Marcus, you started as a veryyoung child with astrology and
it sounds like Reiki came alittle bit after.
So how does that work, you guys?
Kenloch (17:09):
So, like, when I first took a Reiki class, the teacher
started to do a prayer or, like,meditation right before the
class.
And then, at that, like, whenwe're doing the prayer, I feel
like, oh, I'm more grounded andI'm more centered.
And then also like when Icommute to the class, maybe I
pick up some energies from thecity, and then the energy
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somehow like gone and I'm likemore centered and grounded.
And so I'm guided, I was guidedto do a little prayer before the
reading session.
So because sometimes the clientswhen they When they really worry
about the issue and when theyreally like, care about the, the
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question and the answer.
So they, I think they need alsoa little bit of energy of let
go, letting go, so that they areopen to the message.
And also in the prayer, I willalso set an intention like the
the reading is for the client'shighest good and also abundance,
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love, freedom, or like anyenergies that they are looking
for.
So like to initially start thehealing for them.
That's
Markus (18:28):
what I would do.
Yeah.
I think for myself, I willprobably do similar things, but
I'll say because everyonelooking for an answer is
bringing with their emotions.
Like if you have an actionsabout your life about whatever
you're you're concerned, andthen you must have some kind of
like emotion attached to it.
(18:50):
So for myself I will prepare thespace, but the space is not the
physical space only, but it willbe more like a time space like
that kind of like in the time,and then holding up the session.
Like it's a space for thesession to, to be smoothly and
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it's like more how to say,communicating in a, in a better
way.
So I will prepare that for myclients and myself.
And I find it very usefulbecause Before I did it, the
communication with the clientwould be like maybe they are
very concerned and very attachedto the emotion.
(19:33):
After I did the Reiki with thespace, and I find the
communication will be moresmoother and I would say they,
they, they kind of like let gomore.
Like they, they, they will leavetheir burden behind and look
forward and then they will bemore empowered, I would say.
Kenloch (19:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And also for reading session, Ithink in nature it could be a
little bit making people nervousbecause like you're really
expecting to know about yourfuture and sometimes it.
It could be exciting, but italso can bring some nervous to
people.
(20:14):
So I think it's really importantto really have some clearing
before the session, like to alsoraise our clarity for ourselves
and also the client will be morecomfortable, open, listen to
your message.
Pamela (20:31):
Ken Locke and Marcus, I guess both do you guys think
anybody Can do divination or didyou guys do special courses and
really study or is this are theis this are these natural gifts
that you have?
Kenloch (20:47):
When I first started I just like, bought a tarot card,
like, online.
I didn't know it was, like, evena fake tarot card, like, it's
not an authentic one, but that'swhat I can afford, like, as a
teenager.
But then, and I started to lookinto the book, like, included
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with the tarot card, and then Ithink it's about practicing, so
I started to ask questions on myown, like, about myself, and
then start to Like, to have toread, and then I find, oh, it's
really accurate.
And then confidence suddenly,like, build up.
So, like, I try to do it to myfriends, I'm telling them, oh, I
don't know if it's working, butlet's try.
(21:31):
But then after I do the reading,oh, they let me know it's
accurate.
And then so I started to havemore and more confidence.
So start with experiments, andthen slowly build your
confidence.
And then eventually, like now,I'm really confident with my,
with my reading.
So for Teroka, I think like thepractice is really important and
(21:52):
to really trust yourself, butwell, I think at that period of
time with like when I'm stilloffering the session I figured
that I need to take more classesto in like to really raise my
qualities of reading.
Yes.
The tarot card, the learningtarot card, I think there's two
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parts.
So one part is the theintuition, the connection, and
then how to trust yourself.
It's more the inner practice.
But then another part is morethe intellectual thing.
It's about how you can describethe, the card to the, to the
clients.
In a more comprehensive way, andyou have more knowledge base, so
(22:38):
eventually I decided to takemore classes, but I think that
classes cannot teach us how totrust ourselves, but we have to
trust ourselves by practicingand by more having more
experience.
Pamela (22:53):
Yes.
Kenloch (22:54):
Yeah.
So I think astrology is kind ofthe same, but like, what about
you?
Yeah, how did
Pamela (23:00):
you get started, Marcus?
Something that you feel anyonecan do, or is it something you
have to have a special gift?
Markus (23:08):
I would say astrology is more how to say, like a, a, a,
a, a calculation, I'll say.
Also about calculation, everyonecan do it.
Okay.
It depends on how much you havedevoted your time to practice.
So I started with you know, thebook, Telling Your Fortune,
(23:29):
right?
And then I started to wonder,because I'm a person that I
will, I will always askquestions that why?
Because it's not like.
If, if it's not understandable,then I cannot take it in.
both (23:45):
So
Markus (23:46):
I always ask, why is that happen?
So I start to look in each, howto say, like, like the, the,
the, the result that the, thebook tells me, and I start
looking back to the chart.
So why is that going tocalculate in that result?
So I start to kind of like selftaught in that way.
(24:08):
And then I feel like I'm notvery capable to read every
single calculations.
So I started to go to theschool.
And so it starts from verybeginning, like, you know, all
the signs and very foundationknowledge, and then develop to a
very, you know, complicated andvery symbolic.
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techniques.
And then today I'm stilllearning.
And I always find it to be verywonderful to know why is that
symbolic to the result with thatkind of like constellations.
Pamela (24:46):
Yeah.
I know Kenlog before you and Ibegan working together with me
as your mentor.
You had asked me for my date andtime of birth so that you
Kenloch (24:57):
would know.
Yeah, I was asking Marcus likeif we can get along.
Pamela (25:05):
Marcus must have told you yes because we've done well
together.
Kenloch (25:09):
I don't remember.
I remember when I asked him.
So he said that you have thebold sign from my, from my
parents.
Pamela (25:24):
So you
Kenloch (25:24):
are, yeah, because you have cancer, right?
Pamela (25:26):
Yes, I am.
Kenloch (25:27):
Yeah, and my, my dad is cancer.
And then there's Capricorn inyour child as well.
And then my mom is a Capricorn.
So yeah.
Pamela (25:37):
Funny.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And, you know you're you areabout the age of my oldest
daughter.
And you, my oldest daughter, Ithink are the same age.
And and that was a, I, I canremember when they chose like us
to, to partner together.
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That was a consideration becausethey said, you know, I'm, I'm
very used to working withpeople, and my daughter and I
work together, so I'm very usedto working with people in that
age, so.
So that is funny, but I love it.
I love it.
Well guys.
One of the things I think Reikimust do for you as you're doing
(26:21):
this work is it must help youclear all that mental and your
own mental and emotional clutterso you can have better insights.
How do you find that?
Kenloch (26:33):
So I think when we learn Reiki we have to learn how
to put our ego aside.
I think that initially helped meto like kind of in that state
when I'm doing a reading.
But what I discovered is thatsometimes the clients emotional
clutter can affect the readingas well.
Because because the internalcard, you have to kind of like
(26:54):
pull a card, right?
So you're bringing your ownenergy to pull a card.
And so when they're having thestrong emotion, or they, when
they are in kind of like adesperate Yes.
And then when, when they kind ofstill feeling not very, not very
good with the issue, they can,it somehow affects the c clarity
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of the clients.
So they might not pick the cothey're guided to pick.
It's more like bringing thefeeling or the emotion into the,
into the falling pot.
So I think the prayer reallyhelp because is there's already
some healing and then they areals also helping them to be more
(27:37):
open to the message.
And yeah.
And I, I start to find that myclient are being more and
they're more neutral when theyare pulling the cart.
And then the cards always showthe lovely message to them.
And then also.
I think what Reiki teaches us isthat everything has a solution.
(27:59):
So when you're in trouble andwhen you're in some challenges
that you're facing there'salways something that you can do
to help with the situation.
Like, we are never hopeless.
There is always Hope andguidance and help from the
universe.
both (28:15):
So,
Kenloch (28:16):
I think having that energy in my mind and having
that in my energy field, I kindof like affect my clients that,
okay, even the card shows anegative message, you always
have the power to, to conquerit.
And yeah.
So, like, to really help them tolearn the lesson in between, and
(28:38):
instead of just staying in thestage of fear and desperate.
Pamela (28:44):
I love
Kenloch (28:44):
that.
Pamela (28:45):
Yeah, what do you find, Marcus?
Markus (28:47):
So I think it's more on myself, like, when I was reading
astrology.
So I would say because withoutReiki, the, the reading will be
more less intuitive.
So, you're kind of like runningaround the chart, and then you
don't know where to start.
(29:09):
Because there's so muchinformation on the chart.
Pamela (29:11):
Oh my god.
Crazy.
It's
Markus (29:13):
like lost.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's so much information.
Yeah, true.
And after Reiki, I find it very,very useful that I will catch
the key perspective very easily.
Like because I found that thestyle is kind of like blurring,
as I say, blinging, telling me,oh, hi, I'm here, start with me.
Pamela (29:38):
Right.
And, and so it's just, that'sneat.
I noticed that too, that myintuition got so much stronger
with Reiki, and it's almost likewords are bolded, you know, if
I'm supposed to notice, it'salmost like things are bolded
or, yeah.
Like you said, so yeah, I lovethat, so it's really helpful
(29:58):
then.
Kenloch (30:00):
Yeah, it's like, it's like clear for, for us, right?
Like we started to images thatthe, the symbol is telling us,
is telling us something, istalking to us.
Yes.
Pamela (30:12):
I love that, you guys.
Well, and do you guys, do youhave any examples of how you
noticed that you got clearerguidance through divination with
Reiki?
Do you have, is there any,anything that comes to mind?
Kenloch (30:29):
I think tarot card for, for tarot card, because there's
so many symbols in one card, andone card has multiple meanings.
So say, the death, the card, thedeath.
Death
Pamela (30:40):
is the card everybody's scared of.
Kenloch (30:42):
Yeah, right, right, right.
Yeah, but, so death, like, itshows like like a death of, a
god of death, and then it'sshowing you the things it's
going to end.
But then the also, there's alsoa sunrise behind the picture,
also showing there's a new, newstart.
So sometimes when we're reading,like we have to decide which
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message we are conveying.
So because sometimes it can justmean something is going to end,
some bad things is going to end.
And sometimes you can say, oh,some good things is going to
happen.
Like that.
Then we have to, like, thinkabout which part is more.
For the clients.
(31:25):
It's more accurate for theclients.
So, like, when, when I'm reallyincluding Reiki, like, say, when
I did the prayer and also askedReiki to be with us during the
whole session, just like whatMonica said, I feel like the
symbol is glowing.
I feel like the symbol is, like,really talking to me, that, oh,
it's me, it's me.
(31:45):
It's not another one, it's me,it's me.
So, or both, they are shining,so I can let them know that both
messages.
And yeah, so to, to really, toreally make things more
comprehensive and more down toearth.
Because I think for all thedefinition too, sometimes the
message is really from the simsymbolic side, which means it's
(32:08):
more, it's not, it's notconcrete is not very abstract.
Yeah, it's very abstract.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah, so our job as a, as afortune teller or as an
astrologer is to, is to reallymake the message to become more
down to earth.
And then I think like by talkingto the symbol, it really helped
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me to make things more down toearth.
Pamela (32:35):
I love that.
And Marcus, is there anythingyou can think of, any examples
where you noticed Reiki made abig difference?
Markus (32:45):
Yeah, I do have a, a client that I would say her case
is very, Profound.
Yeah.
Because she met me for the firsttime, it's because she is taking
my class for astrology, likevery small class, and, and I was
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reading the chart on class, andthen I suddenly have the, the
message of telling her, oh,maybe you want to take a body
check.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, and then, because I don'twant to scare her and then say,
(33:26):
like, all the bad things aboutthe child, and then just tell
her, oh, maybe you want to checkout.
And then she did, and then shecame back to me and said, oh, I
got the very early stage cancer.
And then, yeah.
And then she asked me, oh, canyou do me a, a electional chart?
(33:48):
So we do electional chart fordifferent things.
We do the chart for selectingthe best time to do the things.
Like that one was, she askingme, oh, what time should I take
the surgery?
Because the doctor let mechoose.
So I picked the time for her,and then I think, I think she
(34:09):
was going under very, like,strong emotion, so I start to
send her Reiki, and then to tellher, oh, I can see the, the, the
image of you getting better andthen completely fine and being
healthy.
And then so I think she iscompletely cured.
(34:30):
And then it's like, finish allthe surgery and the treatments
and then she is very healthynow.
Yeah, she took my
Kenloch (34:38):
regular class as
Markus (34:39):
well
Kenloch (34:39):
and then she recovered real quick, like really, really
quick.
So when she first learned levelone, two, it was in June and she
still have to take the classonline at home because she's
receiving all the treatment.
Chemo.
Yes.
And then she said she's not in agood stage.
Yeah.
(34:59):
So yeah, she started the classat home and then when she came
to my master class at December.
Wow.
She's like fully recovered She'slike really six months
energetic.
She's so energetic.
Markus (35:16):
I think even when she was.
Going under the kibble, she islike Not that bad.
It's like one day or two days.
It makes
Pamela (35:25):
a difference, doesn't it?
Kenloch (35:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And also, and also she, her hairall grow up now.
Like, her hair is here now.
Nice.
She said she didn't expect herhair to grow so fast.
Pamela (35:43):
No, I, that's fantastic.
What a great story.
Thank you guys.
And it's kind of neat that youcan tag team and help her so
much.
So that's, that's awesome.
I'm assuming.
Reiki helps you maintain clarityand inner peace during
significant life changes, buttell me about how you received
(36:09):
the message about moving to anew continent and then how's
Reiki been helping you withthat?
Kenloch (36:18):
Hmm, so I think so when we We just feel kind of, like,
guided to go there, but wealways have a little bit not
sure if we should do that.
Pamela (36:29):
And people, people that are listening Ken Lok and Marcus
are heading to Australia.
They're going to be living therepermanently, right?
Yes.
Okay, so there, Lok, I'll just
Kenloch (36:44):
So, I think Marcus got his PL at like, 2021, and we are
thinking, we are always thinkingof the timing, that what time
should we go there.
And then we do some chartreading, and also tarot card
reading as well.
But then, I think it's about,it's, I think it's a really good
lesson, because When we look atthe card, and then look at a
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chart, we pick some dates, buteventually it's not those dates.
It's the dates that wecompletely feel ready.
I think, although the universesends you the message that it's
the best time, we still have toconnect with our intuition, and
we also have our free will todecide which timing, right?
both (37:27):
That's right.
Kenloch (37:28):
Yeah, so I think after doing all the healing and all
the inside work, all the innerwork to help ourselves to get
ready.
So we decided to move like thisyear.
So which is really exciting.
And I feel Reiki is always therefor us.
So say, I think the biggestchallenge, like when we trying
(37:51):
to move to Melbourne is to finda place to live.
Yes.
Because if you, if you areliving in Melbourne, so say if
the, the, so if your audience isliving in Melbourne, you know
that it's very hard to find aplace to live as a new immigrant
in Melbourne because it's reallycompetitive.
And then, so, there's a story.
(38:13):
So we asked Reiki to help us outto look into, like, different
houses.
And then so there are a coupleof houses coming up, so I think
before that when I'm living inHong Kong, when I'm not using
Reiki to kind of help me to lookinto houses and the place to
live, I always go into thoseplaces that look nice on the
(38:37):
picture.
But then when I, it's veryhaunted.
It's very, very haunted.
And they were just going in,like, it's making me
uncomfortable.
But I think after using Reiki,all the, all the leasing came to
me.
I think if we give it a point,it's at least 70.
(38:57):
It's not like 20 and 30.
It's at least 70 something.
So so we are choosing from thegood option, but I think that's
what we can help.
And then this story came to usis that so there is a house in a
place called Paran in Melbourne.
And then when we go there, so weare first, we're having a really
(39:18):
good relationship with the, withthe agent.
And then we like the house aswell.
There's like beautiful roses,beautiful white roses in the
front yard, and there's somebeautiful plant on the deck as
well.
And then we just feel like, oh,it could be a good option.
I think it came to me in my mindthat if we are rating it is
around 75, or like 80.
(39:42):
Yeah.
So we started to like when weSend the application, and when
we communicate with the agent,we started to send Reiki into
the situation.
Like, before each conversation.
Like, before each conversation.
Right.
But, well, each time ourconversation get worse.
our conversation started to havea little bit, I don't know, like
(40:04):
the, like, the suspecting, like,like, they, I feel like the, the
agent is suspecting us, becausemaybe we said something that is
not aligning to his expectation.
Yes.
So, Eventually, verydramatically, after we sent
Reiki right away, we received anemail telling us that we are
(40:27):
rejected, so our application isnot approved.
And we called and asked theagent if there's anything that
we can do.
So the agent said, Oh.
You know what, after lookinginto all your financial
documents, with, I feel like youare, you are maybe in debt, or
your, your source of income isnot, it's not clear.
(40:49):
And I was like, how come I don'tknow that I'm in debt?
both (40:53):
I
Kenloch (40:55):
don't know what happened, but like, eventually
he said that.
I don't know if He just don'twant to, like rent it to us, so
he made up something.
I don't know why.
both (41:05):
But
Kenloch (41:06):
then, I think Reiki, at that moment, is telling me that,
oh, because you do so manyhealings, and then now your soul
has elevated, and now you aremore open to better options.
So you chose a place with 75 andnow you're ready for, for a
(41:26):
place for a hundred, over ahundred.
So eventually we find a houseinteract.
And then the price is more orless similar, and then with a
really kind agent, and a reallykeen agent, and the house, the
location, and the suburb itselfis a lot better than before.
Markus (41:47):
I remember the agent even asked us, Oh, do you want
to have a lower price?
Kenloch (41:53):
Because it's kind of like not possible to really
negotiate the price inMelbourne, in my understanding.
Yeah.
But then the agent asked if youwant to negotiate a little bit,
like we can So if we want tonegotiate, she can work on this.
Oh, so it's just
Pamela (42:08):
a
Kenloch (42:09):
completely
Pamela (42:09):
different experience.
Kenloch (42:12):
Yes.
And the agent is really trustingas well.
So when she know that Marcus gotthe Global Talent Visa, so she,
she was like, oh yeah, so she'sreliable.
So Marcus is reliable.
We are reliable.
So we didn't really have manyconversations.
Like, after we sent theapplication for one day, we got
(42:33):
approved already.
Yeah, so I think Ricky kind ofLike, telling us that you always
have a, you will always have abetter option.
Yeah, and don't just, likeaccept the, the, The worst one.
You can, you can always have thebetter one.
You can always.
(42:53):
And then when you do morehealing, you're open to the
better option every time.
Pamela (42:59):
I
Kenloch (42:59):
love
Pamela (43:01):
that.
We're, I, yeah.
Guys, if someone's new todivination or to Reiki, what
would you suggest to them?
you know, for getting started.
Kenloch (43:16):
Hmm.
So I think like that, likedifferent stages, right?
Like, like different things youcan do for your session.
So I think the first thing isbefore the session that before
your, you have a connection witha client.
I think you can always sendReiki to your post.
You can always send Reiki to theadvertisement.
(43:39):
So, and so you are attractingthe high, called clients for
both of your highest goods.
So you are serving the highest,client's highest good and you
also, that client is alwaysserving your highest good.
Markus (43:54):
I think we, we encounter some very interesting clients.
So when they first came to us,it's like very, How to say,
like, like, like, nervous,challenging, and they're very
questionable about your serviceand everything.
So I kept sending the Reiki tothem, and then after the
(44:17):
section, they became very loyal.
Like, they trust you.
Yes.
And then they came to you everytime when they have questions or
they have anything in theirmind.
Kenloch (44:31):
Yeah,
Markus (44:32):
definitely.
Kenloch (44:33):
So I still remember that student that you're talking
about.
So she eventually came to myReiki class and like practically
all of the Reiki class.
both (44:44):
Wow.
And
Kenloch (44:45):
then yeah, and she said, like, like, recently she
sent me a message telling methat, oh, I'm so lucky to have
the first session with Marcus.
And then I think it totallychanged the whole path that she
planned.
Yeah, so I think you Always,when you send the reiki to your
(45:05):
post, it's the beginning of alovely story.
And the story that you, like,encounter with your clients
could be a way to build yourconfidence and your faith to
your definition too.
So that's the first step.
It's very important.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I would say the next thingis to write your own prayer,
(45:28):
like to help yourself to do thepreparation before the class.
But before the session.
And also before the class, yeah.
So when we, like, when you writea prayer, you can start to think
of what kind of energy that youwant your client to have.
So say you, you, if you're doingreading about financially or the
(45:51):
career path, then you can alwaysask Reiki to bring sustenance,
the energy of abundance and thetrust.
And then also like to help themto really connect with their
spirits so they are, they aremore in tuned with their life
path, like the highest life pathand stuff.
(46:13):
And then when you, like, writedifferent kind of prayer, at
that time you're also healingyourself, because The, the word
that you are going to say outloud is a mantra, it's a spell
to yourself as well.
So yeah, it's both healing foryou and your clients, like when
you started to have a prayer.
(46:34):
So During the session, whatwould you do during the session?
Like, how do you ask
Markus (46:41):
Reiki?
I think I would keep away if I'mneutral.
So I keep sending Reikithroughout the whole session,
but I'm not like, really doingsomething.
It's like consciously knowingthat Reiki is helping me.
Yeah.
Kenloch (46:58):
Yeah.
So what I would do is empoweringmy voice.
So, like, to help my voice is,becomes a healing energy, and
you're not just conveyingmessages or, like, raising up
issues, it's more like thehealing energies, so that when
the clients hear my words, it'salso a healing frequency for
(47:22):
them, very much.
Yeah.
So and also during the session,like, we, we talk about DAOs,
right, like Pam talked aboutDAOs in her class.
like animal communication class.
Yeah,
Pamela (47:35):
dowsing is a form of divination that I love.
Yeah.
Kenloch (47:41):
So I think I asked Reiki to help me to dowse as
well, like to really help me tochoose the best symbol to
interpret.
Yeah.
So it's during the session.
So after the session, it'salways Very helpful to do
Kenyoku.
But it's very important.
(48:01):
Kenyoku is really important.
And Kenyoku
Pamela (48:05):
is dry bathing you guys, where you just swipe, make an X
over your body with Reiki andthen swipe your arms and release
anything you might have pickedup.
Kenloch (48:17):
So because we include Reiki in the session, sometimes
the session got more deep.
So our connection with theclients got more deep as well.
So it's very important to reallydo kenyoku.
Yes.
And then what I discovered fromsome of my fortune telling,
fortune teller fellow, is thatthey, sometimes they got a
(48:39):
little bit challenged to let goof the client.
Like to, like, after they do thesession, they are still a little
bit worried about the client.
And it happened, it alsohappened at my early stage.
Yeah.
Of giving session.
So, I think what Reiki can helpis to, is to always write your
name, what, write down theclient's name into your crystal
(49:03):
grid, into a Reiki grid.
Okay.
Yes.
So that, at that time, so whenyou write that down, you're kind
of having, you can also have theintention to elect all the
clients.
So let the grid do the work.
And yes,
Pamela (49:17):
let the grid send them Reiki and then you can detach
from the outcome.
Kenloch (49:22):
Yeah, well, I like to describe Reiki is that Reiki is
a process of transition, yourworry into blessing.
So like when we are worrying.
At that time, like say when wedo Reiki, so we are shifting our
mind from worrying about theclient becoming the blessing the
(49:45):
client.
So using the energy to sendblessing instead.
Pamela (49:51):
I love that.
And you know, I don't know aboutyou guys, but I find that every
client who comes to me teachesme something.
And they teach me somethingabout Reiki, they teach me
something about myself, theyit's, it's fascinating.
And so I'm sure you find thattoo.
Kenloch (50:10):
Yeah.
And Session became more, moreand more lovely.
Pamela (50:15):
Yes.
Because
Kenloch (50:16):
I think what so when people what I heard from my
student, who is also a fortuneteller, so she said she picked
up lots of negative energy.
just giving session, because Ithink it's the culture here, or
it's all around the world, ifyou are asking something by
(50:36):
astrology, by tarot card, you,you will worry about something,
you, it's very natural.
But then so before Reiki,because My, my student also care
about the client, so it makesher to always pick up all the
negative energy.
But, yeah, and then when you dodry bathing, or also the prayer,
or also just send the Reiki toyour host, it, it can somehow,
(51:00):
like, elevate the wholesituation.
So the client that you'reattracting, they are open to
higher message.
And then also there's like theconsciousness of the whole
session just elevate, you're notmaking up the whole energy.
Yeah.
And it becomes a very, verylovely session.
And I always think about that,about the world peace idea.
(51:24):
So, let's talk about worldpeace, right.
I think like giving, giving atarot card reading or say
astrology reading is acontribution to world peace as
well.
Because we are helping ourselvesand the clients become more
peaceful.
And when they're back to theirlife, and then they also can
bring their peaceful, peaceenergy to the, to their life and
(51:48):
people around them.
So yeah, it's very lovely.
Like, I would like to say, like,every time when I do a reading
is contribution to the worldpeace.
Pamela (52:00):
No, that's a good point, because you're right.
Like, if you are going for areading, it's because,
obviously, you're, in French,the word for worry is inquiet.
Inquiet.
You're, you're, you're inquietand unquiet about something.
And so, yeah.
If you can feel morecomfortable, more confident in
(52:21):
the outcome, then of course,then you could feel more
peaceful.
So that's a really good way tolook at it, Kenlock.
I never thought about it thatway.
Well guys, just to wrap up todayI'm gonna lead us in a little
meditation.
And this is just a meditationfor all of us the listeners and,
(52:43):
and us ourselves to just useReiki to help us find clarity
and guidance for ourselves and,and with our own life going
forward.
So I'm just going to inviteeverybody to make yourselves
comfortable and you can sit orlie down and just close your
eyes, taking a deep breath andjust noticing as the breath
(53:09):
fills your lungs.
And it fills your lungs withReiki, just imagining the Reiki
symbols and the energy fillingthe room that you're in and you
can draw any symbols or speaktheir names or invoke them,
(53:31):
however you do.
And so on every in breath asReiki fills your breath, I
invite you to release on yourexhale any worries or tension
from your body, your mind, yoursoul, or your spirit and just
(53:53):
settle into this present moment.
And I invite you to let go ofanything that's not here right
now.
And you may notice that you getmore and more grounded and
centered with each breath, morealigned with Reiki.
(54:21):
And just allow yourself tobecome still as we journey
inward today.
You can go ahead and place yourhands on your heart, feeling the
warmth of your hands, the pulseof your energy.
(54:45):
And on your next inhale andexhale, just imagine Reiki
flowing from your hands andbeginning to fill your body with
light and allow this light togrow and to flow through you.
(55:09):
And as it does, it brings peaceand clarity and balance.
And as you continue to breathe,just imagine the Reiki energy is
expanding, filling your entirebeing with its peaceful,
calming, healing energy.
(55:36):
And just noticing that the lightas it moves through your body,
it clears away tension, fear,mental clutter.
And that clutter could be inyour mind or your heart, or even
in your body.
(55:57):
Now I invite you to bring yourawareness to the space.
Just in front of you and imaginea beautiful beam of light, Reiki
shines down from above and itconnects you to your higher
self, your inner wisdom and yourdeepest intuition.
(56:26):
With every breath, just feelthat connection growing
stronger.
And I invite you to openyourself up to receive clear
guidance.
From within, from your higherself now.
In this space, there's nobarriers.
(56:47):
There's only clarity and truth.
So just allowing your mind tobecome still, letting the Reiki
energy open your heart now tothe messages that are waiting
for you.
And just trust that any guidanceyou receive now is for your
(57:10):
highest good.
So if you have any questions oryou're looking for guidance on
something, You can go ahead andask those now and just notice
the Reiki energy flows throughyou just amplifying your
connection to your innerknowing.
(57:35):
And as we breathe, just allowthe answers to emerge, whether
it's a feeling, a word, or animage.
And just understanding thatyou're fully supported in
receiving the clarity andguidance, and I invite you to
trust the answers that come toyou now.
You're open to divine wisdom.
(57:58):
And it flows freely to you, sogo ahead and ask those questions
and just pause in the stillnessto listen for the answers and
we'll remain here together for afew moments today.
(01:00:07):
And as you continue to sit inthis space of clarity, you might
wish to repeat to yourself, I amopen to receiving clear and
powerful guidance.
My intuition is sharp andaligned with my highest good.
I trust the wisdom that flowsthrough me.
(01:00:31):
And just feel the truth of thesewords resonate within you,
grounding you in the belief thatyou're always connected to your
intuition and inner wisdom.
And we'll just spend a few moremoments listening from this
highest space, knowing that youcan come back here at any time,
(01:01:47):
whenever it feels right to you,you can just slowly begin to
bring your awareness back toyour breath.
And just invite the Reiki energyto continue flowing through you,
filled with peace and healing.
(01:02:08):
And on every inhale, just feelthe guidance you received
settling into your heart andmind and with every exhale, just
releasing any additional doubtsor lingering questions.
(01:02:31):
You can bring yourself back tothe present moment.
Just take a deep breath in.
And as you exhale, just slowlyopening your eyes, bringing the
beautiful clarity and guidanceyou received with you into your
day.
(01:02:54):
Guys, I want to Thank you somuch for being here with us
today and talking aboutdivination.
I find it fascinating.
And in fact, after we're donetalking, I have a few questions
for you and might get you topull the card.
(01:03:15):
Sure, definitely.
Awesome.
And we wish you all the best onyour move to Australia.
I'm sure we'll be talking to youagain from over there.
And to everyone listening justtrust your intuition.
(01:03:35):
You've got this.
Keep shining your beautifullight in the world.
It needs you right now.
Thank you.
Namaste.
Bye everyone.
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