April 20, 2025 • 60 mins
In this episode, we dive into Karen Harrison’s insightful article, "Reiki for Challenging Conversations," exploring how Reiki can support us in navigating difficult or emotional conversations with grace.
Join Pam and Karen as they discuss practical Reiki techniques that help calm nerves, ground us, and create a space for more mindful, heart-centered communication.
Whether you're facing tough discussions in your personal relationships or professional life, this episode offers empowering tools and perspectives for navigating conflict with ease.
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Pam Allen-LeBlanc is a scientist, businesswoman, and Licensed Reiki Master Teacher (LRMT) with the International Center for Reiki Training.
Get in Touch with Pam:
Email: pam@reikifromthefarm.com
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Karen Harrison is a Senior Licensed Reiki Master Teacher with the International Center for Reiki Training (ICRT) and is the Co-Director of the ICRT's Licensed Reiki Master Teacher Training Program. Besides Reiki, she's a licensed Professional Counselor and Marriage and Family Therapist.
Get in touch with Karen:
Website: https://www.karenharrison.net/
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Pamela (00:07):
Hi and welcome to the Reiki from the Farm podcast
brought to you by me, Pam AllenLeBlanc from Hidden Brook Farm.
I am a scientist, abusinesswoman, and a licensed
Reiki master teacher with theInternational Center for Reiki
Training.
Each week in this podcast you'llbe entertained as you learn
about a wide variety of relevantReiki topics, helping you become
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We caution you though, thispodcast may also dramatically
improve your life, and we are sohappy that you're here.
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On this week's podcast, I amtalking with my friend and
colleague Karen Harrison aboutReiki for challenging
conversations.
That's something I'm not verygood at.
Karen, thank you for being here.
You're welcome.
Thanks for having me.
It's my pleasure.
Before we go too far, I justwanted to let people know about
some of the classes that we havecoming up April 25th and 26th,
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which is a Friday and Saturdayevening in North America, and
it's a Saturday and Sundaymorning.
In Asia, I have an AnimalCommunication Level 3 class,
would love to have you join us.
We also have Health Care Reiki,a class that Tracy Sullivan and
I will be offering April 30thand May 1st.
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In Asia at Lake George SilverBay, New York, just ahead of the
Northeast Reiki Retreat.
It, I'm not sure, but it may bethe only time we get a chance to
teach in person together, sojust in case we'd love to have
you join us.
And then in August And justbefore the Reiki retreats,
August 9th to 13th, I have ReikiLevel 1 and 2 and Masters in
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Campobello.
And that's the class, which isjust off the coast of Maine on a
little Canadian island, where weactually go whale watching on
the Tuesday evening after classand before the Master and also
August 16th to 20th, we have anAnimal Reiki Level one and two
and master class.
And again, we're going, we'll gowhale watching with that.
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And if you do decide to join usfor that, make sure you stay a
little longer.
Campobello is beautiful.
It's the summer home of Franklinand Eleanor Roosevelt and the
home of the only internationalpark in the world.
So it's definitely worthchecking out.
So Karen, what do you havecoming up?
Karen (02:47):
I have Reiki one and two classes basically every other
month, Reiki masterclasses threetimes a year, Animal Reiki one
and two, two or three times ayear, and Animal Master a couple
of times a year.
So rather than list them allout, just go to my website,
which is karenharrison.
net.
Pamela (03:07):
That sounds awesome.
Before we go much further, I'mjust going to invite all the
listeners, if you can, to bringyour hands together in Gassho
and just bring in any Reikisymbols that you feel guided to
bring in.
If you have the mental emotionalsymbol, that's a really good one
for our topic today.
(03:31):
And I'd just like you toconsider some of the difficult
conversations that we've had.
you may need to have at thismoment in time, or perhaps even
some that you've had in thepast.
And sometimes we forget toemploy Reiki to allow them to
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work out better for everyoneinvolved.
And so there have been someconversations that haven't gone
well.
I invite you to use yourdistance symbol and your mental
emotional symbol now, and goback and send Reiki to healing
those difficult conversations.
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If you're a person like me, anempath who doesn't enjoy
conflict, you can also use Reikito release the conflict that may
have resulted.
And one of the most difficultthings is the conversations we
have yet to have, but we know weneed to have them.
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They can weigh heavily over us.
And so I just invite you to openyour heart and hear these words
that Karen and I will share withyour ears.
Listen also with your heart,your mind.
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your soul, your spirit, and youremotions.
And listen with Reiki so thatthe parts that you need to hear
will really resonate with you.
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Thank you.
Aho and Namaste.
Karen (05:34):
Wow.
Thank you, Pam.
That was
Pamela (05:36):
wonderful.
Thanks, Karen.
Karen, this is something that somany of us, especially when
we're empaths, we find this sodifficult, these conversations,
that when I saw your article onit, I knew we had to expand on
that in a podcast.
What, can you tell us a littlebit about what inspired this
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article?
And, what caused you to writeit?
Karen (06:04):
Sure.
It was my lived experience ofmany difficult conversations all
piling up, back to back to backto back.
I thought, my gosh, what is theuniverse trying to teach me
here?
Thank goodness I'm a counselor,because sometimes I joke that I
had to, go to counseling schoolto learn how to get over the
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sarcasm and tactlessness that Igrew up with in the family, of
origin.
Is yeah we weren't very good at,difficult conversations was
rather harsh.
Pamela (06:40):
Yeah, families are.
Yeah that's a common thing, Ithink.
So
Karen (06:47):
yes, or the other end, which is just entirely avoiding
them and not discussing them.
Thank goodness for all mycounseling skills and tools,
plus the Reiki, which makes allthe difference in the difficult
conversations.
It really does.
Pamela (07:04):
Can you share a little bit about these personal
experiences and how Reiki helpedyou navigate them?
Karen (07:12):
Yes.
So there, there were so many,let's see, which should I start
with?
One was negotiating the leasewith our landlord and We have a
group of about 13 people that Ishare an office space with.
It's a psychology office.
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And we've been in this buildingmany years.
I've been there since 1993.
But this landowner, thislandlord has not been there very
long.
And he has a different view forhow the building should be cared
for and taken care of and, whatwe should pay than what.
our experience had been in themany years before.
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And we just kept going back andforth with him and ended up
finally getting the leasefinalized about a month after
the new lease period started.
Wow.
Yeah.
I sent a lot of Reiki into that.
And then along with that, I havepeople that sublease my office,
and some people that, that are,I wasn't sure if they were going
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to continue because they werehaving a hard time paying the
monthly rent and that is never afun position to be in to have
to, contact the person and say,when are you going to pay?
It was due, a month ago orwhatever.
Pamela (08:36):
And
Karen (08:36):
then I was starting a lease, a sublease with a Another
person who wanted extensivechanges to the sublease, and Oh
Pamela (08:48):
my gosh.
Karen (08:48):
Yeah, so I, I ended up My immediate reaction was, Oh, grr,
and I thought, okay, this is notgood.
So I just let it settle,Activated Reiki, sent Reiki to
it, asked for guidance, Okay,what should I do in this
situation?
I decided after about two daysof letting my emotions calm
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down, giving myself the mentalemotional symbol, I decided,
okay, I'll look at the lease andsee if I can find any merit for
these extensive changes.
And I actually ended up makingall of them.
Some of them were improvementsto the sublease.
Reiki helped me with that andgot that navigated.
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But I think the hardest one thatreally hit me hard was a close
friend of mine has a daughterwho is a former Reiki student of
mine.
And the daughter became addictedto meth.
Pamela (09:49):
That
Karen (09:51):
was just heartbreaking for me.
And my friend, kept talking withme about it and sharing and I
told her, I'm not an addictionscounselor.
I don't really know anythingabout addictions.
And I said, I can't be yourtherapist anyway, because I'm
your friend and that would be, adual relationship.
Pamela (10:12):
And I'd
Karen (10:12):
really like you to go get some counseling support because,
not only is she addicted tomath, but she continues to go
back to the abusive boyfriendwho got her hooked on math.
And, this is a heartbreakingsituation as you're watching
your daughter who was alreadythin start to wither away.
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And, finally I told my friend, Isaid I love you.
She's one of my prayer partners.
I'll continue praying, but Icannot continue to hear about
this situation until you get incounseling.
Because I said, it just feelstoo weighty for me.
And it's just too heartbreaking.
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And so that was a very difficultconversation, to tell her that
I'm sorry, I just, I can'tsupport you.
And through that at this time,and I've since spoken with her
several times and she said thatconversation she did receive in
love, I was sending Reiki duringthe conversation.
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I'd sent Reiki ahead of time.
I had her and her family in myReiki grid for continuous Reiki
and she said that conversationmade her realize that this
really is too big for all of herfamily and friends and she
really did need to get intocounseling.
Good.
And then so she did and thathelped her and now fast forward
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to about, oh, seven months laterand her daughter is lean and
sober and back home and out ofthe abusive relationship.
Pamela (11:54):
Oh, thank heavens.
Karen (11:55):
Yes.
Yeah.
Cause she had gotten down to 89pounds and I thought, if it
keeps going like this, it's,she's not going to last.
It can't keep going like that.
That's.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pamela (12:09):
Wow.
Karen (12:09):
So that was just really big, so I was using Reiki and
all those things and I was soglad that my friend received
that conversation with love.
As I told her, I also have toomuch going on in my personal
life right now.
I, this is just one of manydifficult conversations that
have all landed on me at thistime, and I said, I need the
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support.
I'm not able to give you thesupport that I wish I could.
And I said, I'm sorry, I don'twant to let you down.
She's also dealing with her owncancer journey and I've been
supporting her through that too.
I said, I've reached the end ofwhat I can give to you at this
point.
Pamela (12:49):
Wow, Karen, that's so much.
Karen (12:51):
Yeah.
Thank God for Reiki, like how dopeople navigate their lives
without Reiki?
Pamela (12:57):
I have no idea.
I say that all the time, even inmy political run last year, I
said, how do people do this ifthey don't have Reiki supporting
them?
And just so many times that Isay that in the course of a day
gosh, how do people with Reiki,without Reiki, how do they do
this?
Karen (13:16):
Yes.
Yeah.
Activating Reiki before theconversation, sending Reiki in
advance to the situation, takingtime to tune in and listen,
okay, God, what is my guidancein this situation?
What do I need to do?
How do I need to handle this?
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What limits and boundaries do Ineed to set?
And how can I do it lovingly sothat I don't injure the
relationship, because I want tomaintain the relationships.
Yeah, and then the self reikievery day, to stay centered and
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grounded even through theseasons of our lives when all
the stuff comes up and hits thefan.
Pamela (14:06):
Why is it happens like that?
It always happens like that,that things are going along and
then just everything happens allat once, it seems, I think.
Yeah.
Karen (14:15):
That just means.
Thank you God for anotheramazing growth opportunity.
Pamela (14:20):
That's right.
That's exactly what it is.
Yeah.
And so what are, in yourexperience, because you've had
experience not only personallywith your own difficult
conversations, and I alwaysadmire how you just go in and
have the conversations.
And, that's something that Isometimes struggle with more.
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But also as a counselor, what'syour experience of some of the
biggest challenges people facein conversations that Reiki can
help them with?
Karen (14:56):
So many things.
One is, for the conflictavoiders they don't want to have
the conversation.
They don't want to deal withconflict, so they'll avoid it,
but that creates a distance.
It creates resentment.
I had a client yesterday who hadbeen having conflict with her
sister that had been building upover three years
Pamela (15:19):
and,
Karen (15:20):
She finally had the conversation, but, to wait three
years into a conflict to havethe conversation, that's going
to be a much harder conversationthan if you'd had it sooner.
Pamela (15:32):
Yeah.
Karen (15:33):
So I think addressing things sooner rather than later.
is good.
And then
Pamela (15:39):
they're heavy while you're avoiding it, or you're
waiting to address it.
They're heavy.
Karen (15:45):
Yes.
And then making sure that you'recentered and grounded when you
have it, if possible.
I am certainly far from perfectand, I've had conversations
where I've lost it.
And, done stupid things.
And so one of the stories that Iwas sharing with you as we were
preparing was, years ago when Iwas married and had a conflict
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with my husband, I'd gotten soticked off that I went and
grabbed his dirty laundry andput it in the kitchen and poured
eggnog all over it.
It's okay, that, that certainlywasn't a helpful way to go about
it.
And of course, who ended uphaving to do that laundry?
(16:33):
Exactly.
Yeah.
One of my big goals in life isnot to say something that I'm
going to regret.
later.
Pamela (16:42):
Yeah.
Karen (16:42):
And we certainly all have and done that.
And I have plenty, but I've donethat enough that I don't want to
do that anymore.
And so when I get triggered,realizing that I need to take a
timeout or a break, whatever youwant to call it.
Okay.
So yeah, so I do that.
(17:04):
Quite a bit when I get triggeredto say, okay, I need to go take
a time out.
I can feel my emotions risingand I just think of my emotional
intensity and on a scale of zeroto ten and if I get to a five or
higher, I know that's when it'stime to take a time out because
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beyond that I'm going to slipout of my preparation frontal
cortex into the reptilian brain.
And now I'm going to lose all ofmy thinking and reasoning
ability and I'm going to go forthe blood.
This is not going to be prettyand it's going to be a mess and
I don't want to go there.
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Because then that requires somuch repair that it's.
Pamela (17:51):
And sometimes you can't repair it.
I can remember that a littlefable where they had the little
boy go and every time he wasangry to pound nails in a fence.
And then eventually the fathersaid, now go take the nails out.
And the little boy said, okay,the nails are out, but what do
we do about those holes?
And the father explained youcan't repair those.
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So your anger, you can findanother way to deal with it, but
if you dam if you do damage, itcan't always be repaired,
Karen (18:22):
then that, that can break trust in the relationship, and
it can take a long time torebuild the trust.
Pamela (18:31):
That's right.
Yeah.
Karen (18:33):
So trying not to go there, by taking that time and
then when taking a time out,it's important to now go give
myself Reiki, soothe myself, dosomething to make myself feel
better.
Maybe journal a little bit.
Go for a walk, center andground, give myself space before
and let whoever I've beentalking with, do the same for
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them, so that they can calmtheir emotions down, maybe agree
on a new time to continue havingthe conversation, maybe later
that day or the next day to tryand get it worked out.
Pamela (19:11):
Yeah, and you would recommend probably not a lot of
space in between, it sounds
Karen (19:15):
at least 30 minutes would be good.
If you're having a difficultconversation, and you don't come
back to it, within at least acouple of days, people tend to
then just try and avoid and itcan be easy to go into the
avoiding mode.
Now we're just not going to talkto each other.
Pamela (19:36):
Right.
Karen (19:37):
That can make things difficult also.
Pamela (19:41):
It really isn't it?
You talk about in your articlethe importance of grounding
before difficult conversations.
Why is that really important?
And can you just explain how youdo this, like how Reiki helps
you with this?
Karen (19:57):
Yes.
When we're not grounded, we tendto be thinking about so many
different things, everybody isso busy these days and say,
you're thinking about your workproject and the chores and the
kids and this argument and soforth.
And they're all just circulatingaround pulling on our attention
and grounding helps to call allof that energy back to you.
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and for the moment you're justreleasing it and you're sending
it all down into the earth andyou can do the grounding with a
Gassho meditation or anotherfavorite thing I love to do is a
grounding where I inhale energyfrom the earth up to my head, I
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exhale, I send it down throughmy body deep into the earth,
breathe it back up, exhale downinto the earth, releasing and
letting go And again, to thecrown, back down, into the
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earth, releasing and letting go,and that clears the body, and
now we're going to clear theaura, which holds all the things
that we've been thinking aboutand doing.
Okay, so back up, this time out,down, around the body, clearing
the aura, down to the ground,literally just dropping all
those things into the earth.
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Inhale up.
Out and around, clearing theaura, down to the ground, and
one more time up.
Out, down and around, clearingthe aura.
That's one of my favorite tools.
That helps me just to feelcleared, centered.
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I've let go of everything I wasthinking about and doing.
Of course I can pick it all backup.
Preferably, one at a time or themost important thing first.
And not try and all of a suddenoh, now I'm just going to pick
it all back up.
Pamela (22:00):
You
Karen (22:01):
know, us women tend to multitask and sometimes that can
work and sometimes that can beto our detriment.
Pamela (22:11):
I like, I really that exercise in grounding and,
another thing you talk about isthat Reiki can help us set an
intention for the conversation.
Can you tell us about that?
Karen (22:22):
Yes, okay, what is your ideal goal out of the
conversation?
Do you want to createconnection?
Do you want harmony?
Do you need to establish aboundary?
What is the purpose?
And what are what's the optimaloutcome for that?
So setting that and giving someReiki to that.
Pamela (22:45):
And then Reiki can help you accomplish it.
And you also talk about usingthe distance symbol or, and just
sending Reiki energy ahead ofthe conversation for the highest
good of everyone concerned.
Tell us a little bit about howsomebody would do that.
Karen (23:02):
Certainly just activate the distance symbol and any
other symbols that you want, andthen I think the first place to
start, of course, is withyourself, send Reiki to
yourself, and also to therelationship between you and the
other person.
Because that's an importantentity that can get clogged up
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with hurt feelings,misunderstandings,
miscommunications so sendingReiki into the relationship, and
then if the other person is opento it, also sending Reiki to the
other person.
involved.
So for example, I had a, Oh, achallenge with a colleague that
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involved a third person.
And I sent Reiki to both of themand the, these two colleagues of
mine had a challenge with eachother.
And somehow I ended up gettingroped into it.
I was sending Reiki to each ofthem separately, and also to the
relationship between the two ofthem and listening to both of
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their, sides of it, and givingthem some empathy and
understanding, but also saying,okay Here's how I see this could
potentially work out and, tryingto coach each of them to get it
worked out.
And it took two months becausethere were such intense
feelings, but they did finally,get it worked out and just, I
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would check in with both of themperiodically to see, okay, how
are you all doing with this?
Pamela (24:40):
Yeah.
Karen (24:41):
Trying to be the harmonizer in it.
Wow.
Oh, that did
Pamela (24:46):
get resolved.
That's a lot.
And so did you put Reiki intoall of the relationship chords?
Of course with them and themwith each other?
Karen (24:56):
Yes.
And yes.
And with the one person, myrelationship was already good,
but the the one that I was,coaching the most I sent Reiki
into my relationship with herbecause, obviously she was hurt
by my stance, but listened toReiki and.
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Sought some guidance on it, I, Ireally thought that she needed
to apologize to the othercolleague, Ultimately she was
able to do that.
Pamela (25:28):
That's tough to be, pulled in, in a couple of
directions like that and bealmost in the middle.
And yeah you brought upsomething.
One of the things you talk aboutin your article is active
listening.
And with animal Reiki, that'ssomething that came in really
clearly is just how to listenreally deeply and profoundly.
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And in fact, how can we ensurepeople feel heard?
I've recently done a course withHarville Hendricks, just on his
new book, How to Talk to AnyoneAbout Anything.
And he actually believes thatthe antidote, like the answer,
that we've got so much.
distraction and divisionpolitically and in the world
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today.
And he really feels that if wecan just listen with love and
listen deeply and make surepeople feel heard, we have an
opportunity to really spread alot of peace in the world.
I've been curious and I noticedthat on the campaign trail,
people would often tell me theyfelt heard after I went by.
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How do you approach that and howdo we make sure that people feel
heard in these conversations?
Karen (26:41):
That's a drawing on my counseling skills, I think,
because, that's what a counselordoes is to try and help a person
feel heard and understood.
Now that does not mean that weagree with the person, but if a
person can feel heard andunderstood for whatever it is
that they are expressing, thenIt's a lot easier to find a
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resolution.
If a person doesn't feel heardand understood, then it's hard.
And, one of the things to do is,as I am listening, activate my
Reiki center and try and bepresent just with what the
person is saying, rather thanfocusing on my rebuttal, my next
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question, being defensive,having an attitude of being more
curious.
And there's marvelous materialin the Animal Reiki Masterclass
on checking your listeningskills.
Are you listening or are youthinking about what you're going
to say next, or the rebuttal?
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Really hearing and like in thesituation with the two
colleagues and the one where, Iwas asking one to apologize to
the other, I could tell that shewas deeply hurt and felt
wounded, and I also could feelthat it wasn't just about the
situation, that there, Therewere other hurts and things that
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were underlying it, becausethat's one of the things I know
as a counselor that if there's atrigger and a person reacts,
perhaps much bigger than youmight expect for the situation,
that means that something old isgetting trigger that is also not
resolved.
And so one of the tools I wasusing, which is a Reiki tool
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that I've developed is calledtimeline therapy.
And so I was just imagining,what emotions am I hearing and
what emotions am I guessing thisperson has, and then imagining a
timeline from present to thepast and sending Reiki along the
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timeline of the hurt.
To work on clearing it not onlyfrom the present, but all the
way back to the womb, sending itand clearing it.
And so clearing the hurt andworking on that and then
clearing frustration, and thenclearing resentment and anger,
anger is a more surface emotion.
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Hurt is always underlying angerand there, yeah, there's hurt
and sadness Yeah, anger is moreof a surface emotion.
The hurt and sadness are whatare underlying the anger.
Pamela (29:37):
Okay.
Karen (29:38):
Working on clearing those emotions and any other ones.
And then also, I like to thenclear energy back through the
ancestors for the same emotions.
And then clear back through pastlives for the same emotions.
And.
Just with the intention, andthen that really helps to clear
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the emotional intensity out.
If I'm working with a personlive, what I do is I ask them to
rate their emotional intensityon an emotion at the beginning
of the session and then at theend of the session to see how
much progress.
we made.
So this particular one I wasdoing, just on my own.
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Oh, I've written about this inone of my articles.
Pamela (30:28):
Can you tell us a little bit more about it?
I love this timeline technique.
We've talked about it.
Karen (30:33):
Yeah.
Let's see.
I wrote about it in TransformingEmotions with Reiki, I think,
and also Life Challenges.
Reiki for Life Challenges, and Italked about it at presented on
it at one of the Reiki retreats.
Really it's just what I've justsaid.
You activate all the Reikisymbols that you have.
We've even done this at theReiki retreat with people with
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Reiki two, three symbols.
And you think of an upsettingevent.
And then you think, okay, whatare the emotions that I have
associated with that upsettingevent?
And you list them, frustration,anger, sadness, and then feel
into it.
Okay, what is my emotionalintensity now at the beginning,
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on a scale of zero to 10?
Is it a four, a six, an eight,and then you just activate Reiki
and just send it.
Imagine a timeline from thepresent all the way to the womb,
and then just work on clearingit and then after I clear an
emotion, then intend to send theenergy back through the
ancestors.
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For the same emotion to clearout any of the cellular memory
that we've brought in from ourancestral line and then clear
out through past lives to clearout any past life memory that
we've brought into this lifetimethat might be loading up that
particular emotion.
So I've had a lot of goodsuccess with that.
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I like to use that techniqueafter I use the Holy Fire
Healing experience where theperson, identifies an issue and
you ask them if this issue wereto exist somewhere in your body,
where would it be, if it had ashape, a size, a color, so after
doing that, then I follow upwith a timeline and that's what
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I use for any kind of emotionalupsets, for trauma, for others,
I use it on myself.
Anytime I come up with any sortof thing that has a charge for
me, more than about a two onthat scale of zero to 10, then I
make a mental note and decide,okay, I need to work on this.
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And then set aside a time in thenext few days to do my own work
on that.
To clear it out, becausewhatever emotional baggage we
are dragging around with us,then that makes any new things
that come up more likely to bemore intense,
Pamela (33:07):
right?
Karen (33:07):
So the more that we've handled our own issues, the more
that we can be centered andgrounded and present and not
reactive.
is really the ultimate bottomline to not, exploding and
saying and doing things thatwe're going to regret.
Pamela (33:28):
Pouring eggnog,
Karen (33:29):
whatever.
Pouring eggnog.
Or here's another funny one.
I remember traveling with mydaughter in Europe and we were
not getting along.
We had different agendas for thetrip, It turned out and anyway,
things had gotten ratherdifficult.
And I remember one day she wassaying to me, why, why are you
being so quiet?
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And I said, I'm meditating.
And I was just, doing Reikimyself, my prayer was basically
don't say anything you're goingto regret.
And during my Meditation time, amantra dropped in, and it was
Jesus loves my daughter, hername, and Jesus loves me, and so
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I just kept reciting that overand over to myself, to try and
calm myself down, because whenyou're with the person that
you're having conflict with 24hours a day, it can be a little
harder to stay centered andgrounded.
And I certainly didn't want tosay some of the things that
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might have slipped into my mindthat were mean and would be very
difficult to recover from.
Pamela (34:40):
Recover from and rebuild the trust, yeah.
Karen (34:43):
Yeah.
That'd be hard.
Pamela (34:46):
I love that technique.
I've just thought of some placewhere I want to use it.
So I'm going to, I'm going towork on with that.
And yeah, you talk about thesymbols and tell us how, the
symbols in particular can impactthese conversations.
Karen (35:07):
All right.
Here is one of my favoriteexamples.
I'll share another story.
And that is when my.
Mother with her dementia care,it turned out to be a 15 year
journey of caretaking her aftermy father became ill, he had
been her caregiver.
And we had to take overcaregiving her and caregiving
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our father, and he passed and,she continued on for, I guess it
was 15 years after he passed.
It, the longer it went on andthe more my mother had needs the
more challenging it became formy siblings and me.
And there was a day when mysister.
called me into a private roomand I knew that a difficult
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conversation was about to ensue.
So I just got that holy firesymbol all over me, just imagine
that as I'm walking down thehallway and imagine that the
holy fire flame was theretransmuting any negative energy
and, just helping me.
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And I had the conversation withher and I, and as she was, going
over her grievances and heranger with me, I was just
dumbfounded because I thought,I'm not feeling this.
And normally as an empath, Iwould
Pamela (36:32):
feel it so deeply.
Karen (36:34):
Yes.
And it would just, be tearing meup.
And I was just like, I'm notfeeling this.
I'm not feeling this.
This is amazing.
This holy fire energy is reallydoing a great job of
transmuting.
And I was so dumbfounded that Ialmost started smiling, which
would've been a very bad thingto do, doing a, a serious
conversation like that Ithought, wow that really saved
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me,'cause I.
I didn't feel the effects and Iwas able to stay calm and
centered and listen to her.
And I'd asked her for somedifficult, information that I
thought, my siblings and I had aright to and, she was giving it
to me, but letting her know,letting me know her displeasure
about it.
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Just an example.
And you can do that with thepower symbol, imagining the
power symbol dropping over you.
If you want to, you can evenimagine the power symbol
dropping over the other person.
You can imagine the mentalemotional symbol between you and
the other person that you'rehaving the difficult
conversation with, intendingthat symbol catch any negativity
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between the two of you andtransmute it.
Pamela (37:47):
I love this.
And you can even use thedistance symbol to bridge any
communication gaps you talkabout in your article as well.
How, what would you suggest forpeople who are conflict
avoiders, which is most empathsdon't enjoy conflict at all.
What do they do?
What do we do when it's time tohave these conversations?
Karen (38:11):
You either continue to avoid or have them or you
nominate someone else to havethem for you.
I don't know.
It's funny.
Sometimes in my my work, peoplewill nominate me to have the
difficult conversation.
I don't know with the landlordokay, our windows are filthy,
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what can be done about this thetrash is overflowing in the
ladies room, and I don't know,the conflict avoiders nominate
me, and, I don't know.
I will take it on.
But, seriously, I think, lookingat okay, what is going on in me
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that I want to avoid this?
And, what might be the outcomeif I continue to avoid?
And what could be the outcome ifI'm able to bring it up?
Pamela (39:05):
Yeah, exactly.
So
Karen (39:10):
sending Reiki.
to heal that part that, wants toavoid.
I think that's a good idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the Karuna symbols are alsomarvelous.
Oh my gosh.
Aren't they the
Pamela (39:25):
best?
Karen (39:26):
Yes, and being able to chant them and create, some
vibrational healing, to helpclear the energy, that, that's
great for us.
That's, can be great for theother person if they're open to
it.
I know when my daughter'sbeloved dog died recently on
vacation and, we were sharing ahotel room, all she wanted to do
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is have me sit by her, give herReiki, and hand her Kleenex, and
she wasn't so fond when Istarted chanting and toning the
Karuna symbols.
Here's my weird mom again.
Pamela (40:00):
It's funny because I love chanting and toning now,
and my husband said he loveschanting and toning with Una
symbols.
And he said, if you'd told me afew months ago after he'd taken
the UNA course, that I'd be outhere in the woods chanting and
toning una symbols to the trees,I would've said you were crazy.
But I do know that my son, whenI used to teach the classes, he
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just, he used to get a giggleout of the chanting and toning.
Uhhuh Yeah.
Love it.
You talk about so many otherthings too, like energy
clearing, anything that comesup, and I guess that's something
that for conflict avoiders, we,we know that we can just, we can
clear the energy afterward if wedo step into conflict.
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I like your idea of holy fire,just making it not such a
conflict, like more of anexchange of information, it
sounds we talk about using itfor self reflection and
integration and just using itfor insights and that's helpful.
And then distance Reiki and ifit needs additional and ongoing
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support.
But I love you ended yourarticle talking about above all
practice compassion towardyourself and others.
involved in the conversation.
Reiki teaches us to be kind andunderstanding, which can
transform difficultconversations to opportunities
for growth and healing.
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So I just love that.
And how would you direct Reikitoward bringing more compassion
into a situation.
Karen (41:38):
I think first we have to start with ourselves again.
I think many of us are hard onourselves and think, okay what
might be my responsibility inthis situation?
What have I done that, couldhave contributed to the problem?
And and have some compassion foryourself.
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I had a conversation with afriend over text that the
relationship had become distantand I invited some conversation,
about, what has happened isthere something that I have done
that, you're upset about and shewouldn't respond.
And so I thought I guess therelationship is possibly over,
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that's sad, but, I can't forcethat.
So I thought I'm going to tryanother tactic.
And so I texted her, all right,here's the reasons that I have
imagined that you have distancedand I made, a few of them
serious.
And then I made one of themreally funny, which was, she had
a new boyfriend and was madly inlove.
And.
Focusing all of her time on thatrelationship.
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And I made it a little bitspicier than that.
But anyway.
Pamela (42:52):
What happened?
Did she respond that time?
Karen (42:54):
She did.
And a little bit.
And finally, I found out what itwas that she was upset about.
And then I had to take that andreflect on that and, and take
some ownership for it andapologize and.
And realize that, okay, this issomething that happened when I
was having a health challengeand I wasn't at my best and
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didn't handle things well and soI, looked at that, but then I
also had to look at, all right Ithink Her assessment of the
situation was quite a bitstronger than what I would
expect for what happened and,look at I think that part is
likely on her and, at thispoint, the relationship is
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probably either on hold or over.
And, I just have to accept that,I, so I did apologize for what I
felt I, I could, and, I sentReiki and realized that based on
prior conversations, I thinkthat this is a pattern that she
has of difficulties andrelationships.
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And that's something that willbe her opportunity
Pamela (44:04):
to
Karen (44:05):
heal if she wants to.
Pamela (44:07):
Right.
Karen (44:08):
It's just, it's having compassion for yourself.
It's having compassion for theother person and using Reiki on
all of it.
And, ultimately my task now isjust to surrender that, to the
higher power, continue to dosome Reiki and, continue to, I
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don't know, just give myselfsome Reiki over my hurt feelings
about.
And we do what we can do and andthen we have to surrender it and
let it go.
But Reiki helps us to becompassionate.
Pamela (44:45):
Yes, definitely.
There's a book I'm, I've preordered by Mel Robbins coming
out and and it's called LetThem.
And, just about the fact that wecannot take ownership of or have
any impact on what other peopledo.
We have to let them do them, andwe have to be focused on them.
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on our week.
The only thing we can haveownership on is our reaction to
it.
So you reacted in a way that wascompassionate to her and also to
you.
And yeah.
Yeah.
Wonderful.
What is.
Can Reiki support both partiesin a conversation or is it more
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about the person doing, doingthe Reiki or doing the work?
What's your thoughts on that?
Karen (45:31):
Oh, absolutely.
No certainly me as the Reikipractitioner supporting my end
of it, doing my own work,sending Reiki in advance.
Giving Reiki during thedifficult conversation and and
then also sending to the otherperson if the other person is
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open to it.
Pamela (45:55):
Yeah, maybe hears your intent and doesn't
misunderstand.
What you're trying to say ortake it the wrong way.
I like that.
What's your biggest piece ofadvice, Karen, for someone who
feels emotionally triggeredduring a conversation, but still
wants to have an effectivecommunication?
Recommend.
Karen (46:16):
All the things that we've been talking about, and that is
Reiki in advance, Reiki, for therelationship some divine
guidance about what yourobjectives are, or the
conversation Reiki afterwards,and, surrendering it to the
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higher power for, Or whatever,one of the situations with the
landlord about the windows thewindows still are not clean, and
now it's winter, and I doubtthat any window washer is going
to want to come clean thewindows this winter just going
to have to let that go, and andfor the trash situation in the
The women's restroom that was aproblem.
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I decided, rather than havingtrash spilling out all over the
floor, I went and spent, 10 or15 dollars on a new larger trash
can for the restroom.
And I thought, OK this will atleast keep the trash contained.
Since he was no longer havingthe cleaners come every day, but
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only two to three times a week,which is why the trash had
gotten out of hand.
Just saying, okay I tried, werequested, we follow up if we
still don't get what we wantwhat can be done, and that's an
easy solution.
Pamela (47:40):
I love it.
And in the, anybody also who hasanimal Reiki masters, I'd
encourage you to try theHarmony.
Meditation as well that bringsin I've heard from a lot of
people that it created harmonyfrom some very disharmonious
situations.
And I remember creating thatwhen I had a horse who just
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wasn't in harmony with tears.
Listening for that, yeah.
Karen (48:10):
Yes, and then remembering that time out thing,
particularly if the conflicthappens when you're in the car
driving with someone, that canbe one of the most challenging
situations where you reallycannot get away from the person
and, There's always the conflictavoiders and then the ones that
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just enjoy getting thatadrenaline going and they just
want to go for it.
And, they enjoy the fight.
That's not me.
There are those out there thatjust enjoy that and get a kick
out of it.
And I don't know.
So letting them know that, no,we cannot, I need a time out.
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We cannot continue talking rightnow.
And if the conversationcontinues, then we're going to
need to pull over so I can getout of the car and, take a short
little walk or,
Pamela (49:07):
Don't leave me out of the car.
Karen (49:12):
Oh, that reminds me.
Yes, that did happen also in mylast marriage.
No, I think I took a time outand yeah, he did go off and
leave me and I thought, oh,okay.
Silly me.
I left my purse in the car.
Pamela (49:33):
I can see why it's X.
Karen (49:38):
Oh, boy.
Just, I'm sure that everybody'shad some of these difficult,
challenging conversations andyeah, just with Reiki, It's
better, that, that doesn't, evenwith Reiki, nothing is going to
be perfect.
There's going to be times whenwe mess up, when we do get
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triggered, and we just have togive ourselves some compassion,
some grace, do our best to Giveourselves Reiki, recenter,
ground, that moving meditationthat I did, I like to add in the
power symbol or the holy firesymbol to that, just to make it
more potent, do our clearing, doour grounding.
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Okay what now?
I said this awful thing orwhatever that I didn't really
mean now what?
Okay, what do I need to do toapologize for that?
Pamela (50:34):
Yeah, I think that's, yeah.
I think that's the best course.
Karen, thank you.
This is so much to think about.
And, before we wrap up today, Ijust thought we'd go into a
meditation to help our listenersfor some of the difficult
conversations that they'reprobably contemplating.
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a result of this.
I'm going to just inviteeverybody to go ahead and close
your eyes and I'm going toinvite you to place your Reiki
activated hands over your heart.
And just go ahead and makeyourself comfortable, letting
your body relax fully, with youreyes closed, taking a deep
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breath, and just letting go ofany tension or anxiety as you
exhale, any foreboding, anyfeelings of nervousness, and
just feel the seat underneathyou.
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Let yourself be here in thismoment in time.
And on every inhale, just feelthe Reiki energy filling your
breath, filling you with a senseof calm, peace.
Harmony.
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And on every exhale, justcontinue to let go of tension
and discomfort.
Just imagining your breath as abeautiful wave, a peaceful wave,
moving in and out and bringingyou back to your center.
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And just take a moment toconsider the earth beneath you
and imagine placing your energyin the bottoms of your feet or
your consciousness.
And then just allow yourconsciousness to travel into the
earth like roots.
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Moving deeply into the earth,all the way through the soil,
into the ground water and thebedrock beneath.
And just feel your roots growingdeeper and deeper, grounding
you, connecting with that pureliving water of the earth.
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The stability of the bedrock andthe strength moving into you.
Just feeling yourself supportiveand held, safe, secure.
And just notice the Reiki energynow flowing into your heart.
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Breathe it in.
Allow it to fill your entirebeing with light and filling
your heart, your throat, yourentire body.
Let it move you into a state ofpeace and harmony, conscious
harmony.
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Harmony within yourself andharmony with the growth that you
will experience in theconversations.
Harmony with the other personand with the conversation
itself.
Namaste.
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And if you're aware of anyemotional blocks, any fear, any
frustration, any tension, anyavoidance from conversations
that you need to have, You canjust turn all of these blocks
and barriers over to Reiki, justtrusting that the energy is here
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to support you.
And you may wish to say toyourself something like, I am
grounded, I am centered, I amopen to clear, compassionate
communication.
And don't forget to becompassionate with yourself.
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And just let these wordsresonate within you, knowing
that You have the power to speakclearly, calmly, even in the
most difficult moments, andReiki can help you with that.
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And if you have any fears oranxieties about conversations
that you need to have, justimagine them dissolving, turning
into little speckles of lightand floating away.
Embraced and released by theReiki energy as the light of
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trust moves through you and youtrust that you're prepared to go
into any conversation with graceand understanding and love you,
you trust yourself deeply andfully.
And now we just go into a momentof visualization, just imagining
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yourself entering theconversation with a sense of
peace and confidence.
Visualize yourself speakingclearly from the heart,
listening deeply and respondingwith kindness.
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Feel a wave of peace and calmsurround you as you speak your
truth.
And notice how this peace andcalm, this energy extends to the
person you're speaking with.
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And I just invite you tovisualize or imagine a very
harmonious, meaningful exchange.
And we'll just remain here for afew moments together, just
allowing this energy to settlewithin you.
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Open yourself to the growth thatyou'll experience by approaching
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this conversation in this way.
Take a deep breath in, fillingyour entire being with Reiki.
And on your next exhale, justgently bring your awareness back
(58:48):
to this moment in time.
Bring your attention to youreyes.
Slowly open your eyes andreturn.
And just know that you're readyfor any conversation.
You have within you the peace,the sense of calm, the clarity,
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and the compassion to navigateit.
And Reiki is here to supportyou.
I'd like to just encourage youto approach all interactions
with your beautiful Reikiinfused presence.
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I'd like to thank you, Karen,for being with us today and just
getting this conversation aboutconversations started.
Karen (59:47):
Thank you, Pam.
That was a beautiful meditation.
I appreciate you and your skilland expertise and leading that
as well as guiding theconversation.
Pamela (59:57):
Ah, thank you, Karen.
And to all of our listeners fromboth Karen and I, we appreciate
you, keep shining your light,keep having those Reiki filled
conversations, and we lookforward to seeing you again next
time.
Much love.
Namaste.
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Thank you.
Hi and welcome to the Reiki from the Farm podcast
brought to you by me, Pam AllenLeBlanc from Hidden Brook Farm.
I am a scientist, abusinesswoman, and a licensed
Reiki master teacher with theInternational Center for Reiki
Training.
Each week in this podcast you'llbe entertained as you learn
about a wide variety of relevantReiki topics, helping you become
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a more knowledgeable andeffective Reiki practitioner.
We caution you though, thispodcast may also dramatically
improve your life, and we are sohappy that you're here.
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On this week's podcast, I amtalking with my friend and
colleague Karen Harrison aboutReiki for challenging
conversations.
That's something I'm not verygood at.
Karen, thank you for being here.
You're welcome.
Thanks for having me.
It's my pleasure.
Before we go too far, I justwanted to let people know about
some of the classes that we havecoming up April 25th and 26th,
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which is a Friday and Saturdayevening in North America, and
it's a Saturday and Sundaymorning.
In Asia, I have an AnimalCommunication Level 3 class,
would love to have you join us.
We also have Health Care Reiki,a class that Tracy Sullivan and
I will be offering April 30thand May 1st.
(01:42):
In Asia at Lake George SilverBay, New York, just ahead of the
Northeast Reiki Retreat.
It, I'm not sure, but it may bethe only time we get a chance to
teach in person together, sojust in case we'd love to have
you join us.
And then in August And justbefore the Reiki retreats,
August 9th to 13th, I have ReikiLevel 1 and 2 and Masters in
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Campobello.
And that's the class, which isjust off the coast of Maine on a
little Canadian island, where weactually go whale watching on
the Tuesday evening after classand before the Master and also
August 16th to 20th, we have anAnimal Reiki Level one and two
and master class.
And again, we're going, we'll gowhale watching with that.
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And if you do decide to join usfor that, make sure you stay a
little longer.
Campobello is beautiful.
It's the summer home of Franklinand Eleanor Roosevelt and the
home of the only internationalpark in the world.
So it's definitely worthchecking out.
So Karen, what do you havecoming up?
Karen (02:47):
I have Reiki one and two classes basically every other
month, Reiki masterclasses threetimes a year, Animal Reiki one
and two, two or three times ayear, and Animal Master a couple
of times a year.
So rather than list them allout, just go to my website,
which is karenharrison.
net.
Pamela (03:07):
That sounds awesome.
Before we go much further, I'mjust going to invite all the
listeners, if you can, to bringyour hands together in Gassho
and just bring in any Reikisymbols that you feel guided to
bring in.
If you have the mental emotionalsymbol, that's a really good one
for our topic today.
(03:31):
And I'd just like you toconsider some of the difficult
conversations that we've had.
you may need to have at thismoment in time, or perhaps even
some that you've had in thepast.
And sometimes we forget toemploy Reiki to allow them to
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work out better for everyoneinvolved.
And so there have been someconversations that haven't gone
well.
I invite you to use yourdistance symbol and your mental
emotional symbol now, and goback and send Reiki to healing
those difficult conversations.
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If you're a person like me, anempath who doesn't enjoy
conflict, you can also use Reikito release the conflict that may
have resulted.
And one of the most difficultthings is the conversations we
have yet to have, but we know weneed to have them.
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They can weigh heavily over us.
And so I just invite you to openyour heart and hear these words
that Karen and I will share withyour ears.
Listen also with your heart,your mind.
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your soul, your spirit, and youremotions.
And listen with Reiki so thatthe parts that you need to hear
will really resonate with you.
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Thank you.
Aho and Namaste.
Karen (05:34):
Wow.
Thank you, Pam.
That was
Pamela (05:36):
wonderful.
Thanks, Karen.
Karen, this is something that somany of us, especially when
we're empaths, we find this sodifficult, these conversations,
that when I saw your article onit, I knew we had to expand on
that in a podcast.
What, can you tell us a littlebit about what inspired this
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article?
And, what caused you to writeit?
Karen (06:04):
Sure.
It was my lived experience ofmany difficult conversations all
piling up, back to back to backto back.
I thought, my gosh, what is theuniverse trying to teach me
here?
Thank goodness I'm a counselor,because sometimes I joke that I
had to, go to counseling schoolto learn how to get over the
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sarcasm and tactlessness that Igrew up with in the family, of
origin.
Is yeah we weren't very good at,difficult conversations was
rather harsh.
Pamela (06:40):
Yeah, families are.
Yeah that's a common thing, Ithink.
So
Karen (06:47):
yes, or the other end, which is just entirely avoiding
them and not discussing them.
Thank goodness for all mycounseling skills and tools,
plus the Reiki, which makes allthe difference in the difficult
conversations.
It really does.
Pamela (07:04):
Can you share a little bit about these personal
experiences and how Reiki helpedyou navigate them?
Karen (07:12):
Yes.
So there, there were so many,let's see, which should I start
with?
One was negotiating the leasewith our landlord and We have a
group of about 13 people that Ishare an office space with.
It's a psychology office.
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And we've been in this buildingmany years.
I've been there since 1993.
But this landowner, thislandlord has not been there very
long.
And he has a different view forhow the building should be cared
for and taken care of and, whatwe should pay than what.
our experience had been in themany years before.
(07:55):
And we just kept going back andforth with him and ended up
finally getting the leasefinalized about a month after
the new lease period started.
Wow.
Yeah.
I sent a lot of Reiki into that.
And then along with that, I havepeople that sublease my office,
and some people that, that are,I wasn't sure if they were going
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to continue because they werehaving a hard time paying the
monthly rent and that is never afun position to be in to have
to, contact the person and say,when are you going to pay?
It was due, a month ago orwhatever.
Pamela (08:36):
And
Karen (08:36):
then I was starting a lease, a sublease with a Another
person who wanted extensivechanges to the sublease, and Oh
Pamela (08:48):
my gosh.
Karen (08:48):
Yeah, so I, I ended up My immediate reaction was, Oh, grr,
and I thought, okay, this is notgood.
So I just let it settle,Activated Reiki, sent Reiki to
it, asked for guidance, Okay,what should I do in this
situation?
I decided after about two daysof letting my emotions calm
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down, giving myself the mentalemotional symbol, I decided,
okay, I'll look at the lease andsee if I can find any merit for
these extensive changes.
And I actually ended up makingall of them.
Some of them were improvementsto the sublease.
Reiki helped me with that andgot that navigated.
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But I think the hardest one thatreally hit me hard was a close
friend of mine has a daughterwho is a former Reiki student of
mine.
And the daughter became addictedto meth.
Pamela (09:49):
That
Karen (09:51):
was just heartbreaking for me.
And my friend, kept talking withme about it and sharing and I
told her, I'm not an addictionscounselor.
I don't really know anythingabout addictions.
And I said, I can't be yourtherapist anyway, because I'm
your friend and that would be, adual relationship.
Pamela (10:12):
And I'd
Karen (10:12):
really like you to go get some counseling support because,
not only is she addicted tomath, but she continues to go
back to the abusive boyfriendwho got her hooked on math.
And, this is a heartbreakingsituation as you're watching
your daughter who was alreadythin start to wither away.
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And, finally I told my friend, Isaid I love you.
She's one of my prayer partners.
I'll continue praying, but Icannot continue to hear about
this situation until you get incounseling.
Because I said, it just feelstoo weighty for me.
And it's just too heartbreaking.
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And so that was a very difficultconversation, to tell her that
I'm sorry, I just, I can'tsupport you.
And through that at this time,and I've since spoken with her
several times and she said thatconversation she did receive in
love, I was sending Reiki duringthe conversation.
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I'd sent Reiki ahead of time.
I had her and her family in myReiki grid for continuous Reiki
and she said that conversationmade her realize that this
really is too big for all of herfamily and friends and she
really did need to get intocounseling.
Good.
And then so she did and thathelped her and now fast forward
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to about, oh, seven months laterand her daughter is lean and
sober and back home and out ofthe abusive relationship.
Pamela (11:54):
Oh, thank heavens.
Karen (11:55):
Yes.
Yeah.
Cause she had gotten down to 89pounds and I thought, if it
keeps going like this, it's,she's not going to last.
It can't keep going like that.
That's.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pamela (12:09):
Wow.
Karen (12:09):
So that was just really big, so I was using Reiki and
all those things and I was soglad that my friend received
that conversation with love.
As I told her, I also have toomuch going on in my personal
life right now.
I, this is just one of manydifficult conversations that
have all landed on me at thistime, and I said, I need the
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support.
I'm not able to give you thesupport that I wish I could.
And I said, I'm sorry, I don'twant to let you down.
She's also dealing with her owncancer journey and I've been
supporting her through that too.
I said, I've reached the end ofwhat I can give to you at this
point.
Pamela (12:49):
Wow, Karen, that's so much.
Karen (12:51):
Yeah.
Thank God for Reiki, like how dopeople navigate their lives
without Reiki?
Pamela (12:57):
I have no idea.
I say that all the time, even inmy political run last year, I
said, how do people do this ifthey don't have Reiki supporting
them?
And just so many times that Isay that in the course of a day
gosh, how do people with Reiki,without Reiki, how do they do
this?
Karen (13:16):
Yes.
Yeah.
Activating Reiki before theconversation, sending Reiki in
advance to the situation, takingtime to tune in and listen,
okay, God, what is my guidancein this situation?
What do I need to do?
How do I need to handle this?
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What limits and boundaries do Ineed to set?
And how can I do it lovingly sothat I don't injure the
relationship, because I want tomaintain the relationships.
Yeah, and then the self reikievery day, to stay centered and
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grounded even through theseasons of our lives when all
the stuff comes up and hits thefan.
Pamela (14:06):
Why is it happens like that?
It always happens like that,that things are going along and
then just everything happens allat once, it seems, I think.
Yeah.
Karen (14:15):
That just means.
Thank you God for anotheramazing growth opportunity.
Pamela (14:20):
That's right.
That's exactly what it is.
Yeah.
And so what are, in yourexperience, because you've had
experience not only personallywith your own difficult
conversations, and I alwaysadmire how you just go in and
have the conversations.
And, that's something that Isometimes struggle with more.
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But also as a counselor, what'syour experience of some of the
biggest challenges people facein conversations that Reiki can
help them with?
Karen (14:56):
So many things.
One is, for the conflictavoiders they don't want to have
the conversation.
They don't want to deal withconflict, so they'll avoid it,
but that creates a distance.
It creates resentment.
I had a client yesterday who hadbeen having conflict with her
sister that had been building upover three years
Pamela (15:19):
and,
Karen (15:20):
She finally had the conversation, but, to wait three
years into a conflict to havethe conversation, that's going
to be a much harder conversationthan if you'd had it sooner.
Pamela (15:32):
Yeah.
Karen (15:33):
So I think addressing things sooner rather than later.
is good.
And then
Pamela (15:39):
they're heavy while you're avoiding it, or you're
waiting to address it.
They're heavy.
Karen (15:45):
Yes.
And then making sure that you'recentered and grounded when you
have it, if possible.
I am certainly far from perfectand, I've had conversations
where I've lost it.
And, done stupid things.
And so one of the stories that Iwas sharing with you as we were
preparing was, years ago when Iwas married and had a conflict
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with my husband, I'd gotten soticked off that I went and
grabbed his dirty laundry andput it in the kitchen and poured
eggnog all over it.
It's okay, that, that certainlywasn't a helpful way to go about
it.
And of course, who ended uphaving to do that laundry?
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Exactly.
Yeah.
One of my big goals in life isnot to say something that I'm
going to regret.
later.
Pamela (16:42):
Yeah.
Karen (16:42):
And we certainly all have and done that.
And I have plenty, but I've donethat enough that I don't want to
do that anymore.
And so when I get triggered,realizing that I need to take a
timeout or a break, whatever youwant to call it.
Okay.
So yeah, so I do that.
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Quite a bit when I get triggeredto say, okay, I need to go take
a time out.
I can feel my emotions risingand I just think of my emotional
intensity and on a scale of zeroto ten and if I get to a five or
higher, I know that's when it'stime to take a time out because
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beyond that I'm going to slipout of my preparation frontal
cortex into the reptilian brain.
And now I'm going to lose all ofmy thinking and reasoning
ability and I'm going to go forthe blood.
This is not going to be prettyand it's going to be a mess and
I don't want to go there.
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Because then that requires somuch repair that it's.
Pamela (17:51):
And sometimes you can't repair it.
I can remember that a littlefable where they had the little
boy go and every time he wasangry to pound nails in a fence.
And then eventually the fathersaid, now go take the nails out.
And the little boy said, okay,the nails are out, but what do
we do about those holes?
And the father explained youcan't repair those.
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So your anger, you can findanother way to deal with it, but
if you dam if you do damage, itcan't always be repaired,
Karen (18:22):
then that, that can break trust in the relationship, and
it can take a long time torebuild the trust.
Pamela (18:31):
That's right.
Yeah.
Karen (18:33):
So trying not to go there, by taking that time and
then when taking a time out,it's important to now go give
myself Reiki, soothe myself, dosomething to make myself feel
better.
Maybe journal a little bit.
Go for a walk, center andground, give myself space before
and let whoever I've beentalking with, do the same for
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them, so that they can calmtheir emotions down, maybe agree
on a new time to continue havingthe conversation, maybe later
that day or the next day to tryand get it worked out.
Pamela (19:11):
Yeah, and you would recommend probably not a lot of
space in between, it sounds
Karen (19:15):
at least 30 minutes would be good.
If you're having a difficultconversation, and you don't come
back to it, within at least acouple of days, people tend to
then just try and avoid and itcan be easy to go into the
avoiding mode.
Now we're just not going to talkto each other.
Pamela (19:36):
Right.
Karen (19:37):
That can make things difficult also.
Pamela (19:41):
It really isn't it?
You talk about in your articlethe importance of grounding
before difficult conversations.
Why is that really important?
And can you just explain how youdo this, like how Reiki helps
you with this?
Karen (19:57):
Yes.
When we're not grounded, we tendto be thinking about so many
different things, everybody isso busy these days and say,
you're thinking about your workproject and the chores and the
kids and this argument and soforth.
And they're all just circulatingaround pulling on our attention
and grounding helps to call allof that energy back to you.
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and for the moment you're justreleasing it and you're sending
it all down into the earth andyou can do the grounding with a
Gassho meditation or anotherfavorite thing I love to do is a
grounding where I inhale energyfrom the earth up to my head, I
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exhale, I send it down throughmy body deep into the earth,
breathe it back up, exhale downinto the earth, releasing and
letting go And again, to thecrown, back down, into the
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earth, releasing and letting go,and that clears the body, and
now we're going to clear theaura, which holds all the things
that we've been thinking aboutand doing.
Okay, so back up, this time out,down, around the body, clearing
the aura, down to the ground,literally just dropping all
those things into the earth.
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Inhale up.
Out and around, clearing theaura, down to the ground, and
one more time up.
Out, down and around, clearingthe aura.
That's one of my favorite tools.
That helps me just to feelcleared, centered.
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I've let go of everything I wasthinking about and doing.
Of course I can pick it all backup.
Preferably, one at a time or themost important thing first.
And not try and all of a suddenoh, now I'm just going to pick
it all back up.
Pamela (22:00):
You
Karen (22:01):
know, us women tend to multitask and sometimes that can
work and sometimes that can beto our detriment.
Pamela (22:11):
I like, I really that exercise in grounding and,
another thing you talk about isthat Reiki can help us set an
intention for the conversation.
Can you tell us about that?
Karen (22:22):
Yes, okay, what is your ideal goal out of the
conversation?
Do you want to createconnection?
Do you want harmony?
Do you need to establish aboundary?
What is the purpose?
And what are what's the optimaloutcome for that?
So setting that and giving someReiki to that.
Pamela (22:45):
And then Reiki can help you accomplish it.
And you also talk about usingthe distance symbol or, and just
sending Reiki energy ahead ofthe conversation for the highest
good of everyone concerned.
Tell us a little bit about howsomebody would do that.
Karen (23:02):
Certainly just activate the distance symbol and any
other symbols that you want, andthen I think the first place to
start, of course, is withyourself, send Reiki to
yourself, and also to therelationship between you and the
other person.
Because that's an importantentity that can get clogged up
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with hurt feelings,misunderstandings,
miscommunications so sendingReiki into the relationship, and
then if the other person is opento it, also sending Reiki to the
other person.
involved.
So for example, I had a, Oh, achallenge with a colleague that
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involved a third person.
And I sent Reiki to both of themand the, these two colleagues of
mine had a challenge with eachother.
And somehow I ended up gettingroped into it.
I was sending Reiki to each ofthem separately, and also to the
relationship between the two ofthem and listening to both of
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their, sides of it, and givingthem some empathy and
understanding, but also saying,okay Here's how I see this could
potentially work out and, tryingto coach each of them to get it
worked out.
And it took two months becausethere were such intense
feelings, but they did finally,get it worked out and just, I
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would check in with both of themperiodically to see, okay, how
are you all doing with this?
Pamela (24:40):
Yeah.
Karen (24:41):
Trying to be the harmonizer in it.
Wow.
Oh, that did
Pamela (24:46):
get resolved.
That's a lot.
And so did you put Reiki intoall of the relationship chords?
Of course with them and themwith each other?
Karen (24:56):
Yes.
And yes.
And with the one person, myrelationship was already good,
but the the one that I was,coaching the most I sent Reiki
into my relationship with herbecause, obviously she was hurt
by my stance, but listened toReiki and.
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Sought some guidance on it, I, Ireally thought that she needed
to apologize to the othercolleague, Ultimately she was
able to do that.
Pamela (25:28):
That's tough to be, pulled in, in a couple of
directions like that and bealmost in the middle.
And yeah you brought upsomething.
One of the things you talk aboutin your article is active
listening.
And with animal Reiki, that'ssomething that came in really
clearly is just how to listenreally deeply and profoundly.
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And in fact, how can we ensurepeople feel heard?
I've recently done a course withHarville Hendricks, just on his
new book, How to Talk to AnyoneAbout Anything.
And he actually believes thatthe antidote, like the answer,
that we've got so much.
distraction and divisionpolitically and in the world
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today.
And he really feels that if wecan just listen with love and
listen deeply and make surepeople feel heard, we have an
opportunity to really spread alot of peace in the world.
I've been curious and I noticedthat on the campaign trail,
people would often tell me theyfelt heard after I went by.
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How do you approach that and howdo we make sure that people feel
heard in these conversations?
Karen (26:41):
That's a drawing on my counseling skills, I think,
because, that's what a counselordoes is to try and help a person
feel heard and understood.
Now that does not mean that weagree with the person, but if a
person can feel heard andunderstood for whatever it is
that they are expressing, thenIt's a lot easier to find a
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resolution.
If a person doesn't feel heardand understood, then it's hard.
And, one of the things to do is,as I am listening, activate my
Reiki center and try and bepresent just with what the
person is saying, rather thanfocusing on my rebuttal, my next
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question, being defensive,having an attitude of being more
curious.
And there's marvelous materialin the Animal Reiki Masterclass
on checking your listeningskills.
Are you listening or are youthinking about what you're going
to say next, or the rebuttal?
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Really hearing and like in thesituation with the two
colleagues and the one where, Iwas asking one to apologize to
the other, I could tell that shewas deeply hurt and felt
wounded, and I also could feelthat it wasn't just about the
situation, that there, Therewere other hurts and things that
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were underlying it, becausethat's one of the things I know
as a counselor that if there's atrigger and a person reacts,
perhaps much bigger than youmight expect for the situation,
that means that something old isgetting trigger that is also not
resolved.
And so one of the tools I wasusing, which is a Reiki tool
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that I've developed is calledtimeline therapy.
And so I was just imagining,what emotions am I hearing and
what emotions am I guessing thisperson has, and then imagining a
timeline from present to thepast and sending Reiki along the
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timeline of the hurt.
To work on clearing it not onlyfrom the present, but all the
way back to the womb, sending itand clearing it.
And so clearing the hurt andworking on that and then
clearing frustration, and thenclearing resentment and anger,
anger is a more surface emotion.
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Hurt is always underlying angerand there, yeah, there's hurt
and sadness Yeah, anger is moreof a surface emotion.
The hurt and sadness are whatare underlying the anger.
Pamela (29:37):
Okay.
Karen (29:38):
Working on clearing those emotions and any other ones.
And then also, I like to thenclear energy back through the
ancestors for the same emotions.
And then clear back through pastlives for the same emotions.
And.
Just with the intention, andthen that really helps to clear
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the emotional intensity out.
If I'm working with a personlive, what I do is I ask them to
rate their emotional intensityon an emotion at the beginning
of the session and then at theend of the session to see how
much progress.
we made.
So this particular one I wasdoing, just on my own.
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Oh, I've written about this inone of my articles.
Pamela (30:28):
Can you tell us a little bit more about it?
I love this timeline technique.
We've talked about it.
Karen (30:33):
Yeah.
Let's see.
I wrote about it in TransformingEmotions with Reiki, I think,
and also Life Challenges.
Reiki for Life Challenges, and Italked about it at presented on
it at one of the Reiki retreats.
Really it's just what I've justsaid.
You activate all the Reikisymbols that you have.
We've even done this at theReiki retreat with people with
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Reiki two, three symbols.
And you think of an upsettingevent.
And then you think, okay, whatare the emotions that I have
associated with that upsettingevent?
And you list them, frustration,anger, sadness, and then feel
into it.
Okay, what is my emotionalintensity now at the beginning,
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on a scale of zero to 10?
Is it a four, a six, an eight,and then you just activate Reiki
and just send it.
Imagine a timeline from thepresent all the way to the womb,
and then just work on clearingit and then after I clear an
emotion, then intend to send theenergy back through the
ancestors.
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For the same emotion to clearout any of the cellular memory
that we've brought in from ourancestral line and then clear
out through past lives to clearout any past life memory that
we've brought into this lifetimethat might be loading up that
particular emotion.
So I've had a lot of goodsuccess with that.
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I like to use that techniqueafter I use the Holy Fire
Healing experience where theperson, identifies an issue and
you ask them if this issue wereto exist somewhere in your body,
where would it be, if it had ashape, a size, a color, so after
doing that, then I follow upwith a timeline and that's what
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I use for any kind of emotionalupsets, for trauma, for others,
I use it on myself.
Anytime I come up with any sortof thing that has a charge for
me, more than about a two onthat scale of zero to 10, then I
make a mental note and decide,okay, I need to work on this.
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And then set aside a time in thenext few days to do my own work
on that.
To clear it out, becausewhatever emotional baggage we
are dragging around with us,then that makes any new things
that come up more likely to bemore intense,
Pamela (33:07):
right?
Karen (33:07):
So the more that we've handled our own issues, the more
that we can be centered andgrounded and present and not
reactive.
is really the ultimate bottomline to not, exploding and
saying and doing things thatwe're going to regret.
Pamela (33:28):
Pouring eggnog,
Karen (33:29):
whatever.
Pouring eggnog.
Or here's another funny one.
I remember traveling with mydaughter in Europe and we were
not getting along.
We had different agendas for thetrip, It turned out and anyway,
things had gotten ratherdifficult.
And I remember one day she wassaying to me, why, why are you
being so quiet?
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And I said, I'm meditating.
And I was just, doing Reikimyself, my prayer was basically
don't say anything you're goingto regret.
And during my Meditation time, amantra dropped in, and it was
Jesus loves my daughter, hername, and Jesus loves me, and so
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I just kept reciting that overand over to myself, to try and
calm myself down, because whenyou're with the person that
you're having conflict with 24hours a day, it can be a little
harder to stay centered andgrounded.
And I certainly didn't want tosay some of the things that
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might have slipped into my mindthat were mean and would be very
difficult to recover from.
Pamela (34:40):
Recover from and rebuild the trust, yeah.
Karen (34:43):
Yeah.
That'd be hard.
Pamela (34:46):
I love that technique.
I've just thought of some placewhere I want to use it.
So I'm going to, I'm going towork on with that.
And yeah, you talk about thesymbols and tell us how, the
symbols in particular can impactthese conversations.
Karen (35:07):
All right.
Here is one of my favoriteexamples.
I'll share another story.
And that is when my.
Mother with her dementia care,it turned out to be a 15 year
journey of caretaking her aftermy father became ill, he had
been her caregiver.
And we had to take overcaregiving her and caregiving
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our father, and he passed and,she continued on for, I guess it
was 15 years after he passed.
It, the longer it went on andthe more my mother had needs the
more challenging it became formy siblings and me.
And there was a day when mysister.
called me into a private roomand I knew that a difficult
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conversation was about to ensue.
So I just got that holy firesymbol all over me, just imagine
that as I'm walking down thehallway and imagine that the
holy fire flame was theretransmuting any negative energy
and, just helping me.
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And I had the conversation withher and I, and as she was, going
over her grievances and heranger with me, I was just
dumbfounded because I thought,I'm not feeling this.
And normally as an empath, Iwould
Pamela (36:32):
feel it so deeply.
Karen (36:34):
Yes.
And it would just, be tearing meup.
And I was just like, I'm notfeeling this.
I'm not feeling this.
This is amazing.
This holy fire energy is reallydoing a great job of
transmuting.
And I was so dumbfounded that Ialmost started smiling, which
would've been a very bad thingto do, doing a, a serious
conversation like that Ithought, wow that really saved
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me,'cause I.
I didn't feel the effects and Iwas able to stay calm and
centered and listen to her.
And I'd asked her for somedifficult, information that I
thought, my siblings and I had aright to and, she was giving it
to me, but letting her know,letting me know her displeasure
about it.
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Just an example.
And you can do that with thepower symbol, imagining the
power symbol dropping over you.
If you want to, you can evenimagine the power symbol
dropping over the other person.
You can imagine the mentalemotional symbol between you and
the other person that you'rehaving the difficult
conversation with, intendingthat symbol catch any negativity
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between the two of you andtransmute it.
Pamela (37:47):
I love this.
And you can even use thedistance symbol to bridge any
communication gaps you talkabout in your article as well.
How, what would you suggest forpeople who are conflict
avoiders, which is most empathsdon't enjoy conflict at all.
What do they do?
What do we do when it's time tohave these conversations?
Karen (38:11):
You either continue to avoid or have them or you
nominate someone else to havethem for you.
I don't know.
It's funny.
Sometimes in my my work, peoplewill nominate me to have the
difficult conversation.
I don't know with the landlordokay, our windows are filthy,
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what can be done about this thetrash is overflowing in the
ladies room, and I don't know,the conflict avoiders nominate
me, and, I don't know.
I will take it on.
But, seriously, I think, lookingat okay, what is going on in me
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that I want to avoid this?
And, what might be the outcomeif I continue to avoid?
And what could be the outcome ifI'm able to bring it up?
Pamela (39:05):
Yeah, exactly.
So
Karen (39:10):
sending Reiki.
to heal that part that, wants toavoid.
I think that's a good idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the Karuna symbols are alsomarvelous.
Oh my gosh.
Aren't they the
Pamela (39:25):
best?
Karen (39:26):
Yes, and being able to chant them and create, some
vibrational healing, to helpclear the energy, that, that's
great for us.
That's, can be great for theother person if they're open to
it.
I know when my daughter'sbeloved dog died recently on
vacation and, we were sharing ahotel room, all she wanted to do
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is have me sit by her, give herReiki, and hand her Kleenex, and
she wasn't so fond when Istarted chanting and toning the
Karuna symbols.
Here's my weird mom again.
Pamela (40:00):
It's funny because I love chanting and toning now,
and my husband said he loveschanting and toning with Una
symbols.
And he said, if you'd told me afew months ago after he'd taken
the UNA course, that I'd be outhere in the woods chanting and
toning una symbols to the trees,I would've said you were crazy.
But I do know that my son, whenI used to teach the classes, he
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just, he used to get a giggleout of the chanting and toning.
Uhhuh Yeah.
Love it.
You talk about so many otherthings too, like energy
clearing, anything that comesup, and I guess that's something
that for conflict avoiders, we,we know that we can just, we can
clear the energy afterward if wedo step into conflict.
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I like your idea of holy fire,just making it not such a
conflict, like more of anexchange of information, it
sounds we talk about using itfor self reflection and
integration and just using itfor insights and that's helpful.
And then distance Reiki and ifit needs additional and ongoing
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support.
But I love you ended yourarticle talking about above all
practice compassion towardyourself and others.
involved in the conversation.
Reiki teaches us to be kind andunderstanding, which can
transform difficultconversations to opportunities
for growth and healing.
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So I just love that.
And how would you direct Reikitoward bringing more compassion
into a situation.
Karen (41:38):
I think first we have to start with ourselves again.
I think many of us are hard onourselves and think, okay what
might be my responsibility inthis situation?
What have I done that, couldhave contributed to the problem?
And and have some compassion foryourself.
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I had a conversation with afriend over text that the
relationship had become distantand I invited some conversation,
about, what has happened isthere something that I have done
that, you're upset about and shewouldn't respond.
And so I thought I guess therelationship is possibly over,
(42:24):
that's sad, but, I can't forcethat.
So I thought I'm going to tryanother tactic.
And so I texted her, all right,here's the reasons that I have
imagined that you have distancedand I made, a few of them
serious.
And then I made one of themreally funny, which was, she had
a new boyfriend and was madly inlove.
And.
Focusing all of her time on thatrelationship.
(42:46):
And I made it a little bitspicier than that.
But anyway.
Pamela (42:52):
What happened?
Did she respond that time?
Karen (42:54):
She did.
And a little bit.
And finally, I found out what itwas that she was upset about.
And then I had to take that andreflect on that and, and take
some ownership for it andapologize and.
And realize that, okay, this issomething that happened when I
was having a health challengeand I wasn't at my best and
(43:16):
didn't handle things well and soI, looked at that, but then I
also had to look at, all right Ithink Her assessment of the
situation was quite a bitstronger than what I would
expect for what happened and,look at I think that part is
likely on her and, at thispoint, the relationship is
(43:38):
probably either on hold or over.
And, I just have to accept that,I, so I did apologize for what I
felt I, I could, and, I sentReiki and realized that based on
prior conversations, I thinkthat this is a pattern that she
has of difficulties andrelationships.
(44:01):
And that's something that willbe her opportunity
Pamela (44:04):
to
Karen (44:05):
heal if she wants to.
Pamela (44:07):
Right.
Karen (44:08):
It's just, it's having compassion for yourself.
It's having compassion for theother person and using Reiki on
all of it.
And, ultimately my task now isjust to surrender that, to the
higher power, continue to dosome Reiki and, continue to, I
(44:29):
don't know, just give myselfsome Reiki over my hurt feelings
about.
And we do what we can do and andthen we have to surrender it and
let it go.
But Reiki helps us to becompassionate.
Pamela (44:45):
Yes, definitely.
There's a book I'm, I've preordered by Mel Robbins coming
out and and it's called LetThem.
And, just about the fact that wecannot take ownership of or have
any impact on what other peopledo.
We have to let them do them, andwe have to be focused on them.
(45:06):
on our week.
The only thing we can haveownership on is our reaction to
it.
So you reacted in a way that wascompassionate to her and also to
you.
And yeah.
Yeah.
Wonderful.
What is.
Can Reiki support both partiesin a conversation or is it more
(45:26):
about the person doing, doingthe Reiki or doing the work?
What's your thoughts on that?
Karen (45:31):
Oh, absolutely.
No certainly me as the Reikipractitioner supporting my end
of it, doing my own work,sending Reiki in advance.
Giving Reiki during thedifficult conversation and and
then also sending to the otherperson if the other person is
(45:53):
open to it.
Pamela (45:55):
Yeah, maybe hears your intent and doesn't
misunderstand.
What you're trying to say ortake it the wrong way.
I like that.
What's your biggest piece ofadvice, Karen, for someone who
feels emotionally triggeredduring a conversation, but still
wants to have an effectivecommunication?
Recommend.
Karen (46:16):
All the things that we've been talking about, and that is
Reiki in advance, Reiki, for therelationship some divine
guidance about what yourobjectives are, or the
conversation Reiki afterwards,and, surrendering it to the
(46:36):
higher power for, Or whatever,one of the situations with the
landlord about the windows thewindows still are not clean, and
now it's winter, and I doubtthat any window washer is going
to want to come clean thewindows this winter just going
to have to let that go, and andfor the trash situation in the
The women's restroom that was aproblem.
(46:59):
I decided, rather than havingtrash spilling out all over the
floor, I went and spent, 10 or15 dollars on a new larger trash
can for the restroom.
And I thought, OK this will atleast keep the trash contained.
Since he was no longer havingthe cleaners come every day, but
(47:22):
only two to three times a week,which is why the trash had
gotten out of hand.
Just saying, okay I tried, werequested, we follow up if we
still don't get what we wantwhat can be done, and that's an
easy solution.
Pamela (47:40):
I love it.
And in the, anybody also who hasanimal Reiki masters, I'd
encourage you to try theHarmony.
Meditation as well that bringsin I've heard from a lot of
people that it created harmonyfrom some very disharmonious
situations.
And I remember creating thatwhen I had a horse who just
(48:05):
wasn't in harmony with tears.
Listening for that, yeah.
Karen (48:10):
Yes, and then remembering that time out thing,
particularly if the conflicthappens when you're in the car
driving with someone, that canbe one of the most challenging
situations where you reallycannot get away from the person
and, There's always the conflictavoiders and then the ones that
(48:31):
just enjoy getting thatadrenaline going and they just
want to go for it.
And, they enjoy the fight.
That's not me.
There are those out there thatjust enjoy that and get a kick
out of it.
And I don't know.
So letting them know that, no,we cannot, I need a time out.
(48:54):
We cannot continue talking rightnow.
And if the conversationcontinues, then we're going to
need to pull over so I can getout of the car and, take a short
little walk or,
Pamela (49:07):
Don't leave me out of the car.
Karen (49:12):
Oh, that reminds me.
Yes, that did happen also in mylast marriage.
No, I think I took a time outand yeah, he did go off and
leave me and I thought, oh,okay.
Silly me.
I left my purse in the car.
Pamela (49:33):
I can see why it's X.
Karen (49:38):
Oh, boy.
Just, I'm sure that everybody'shad some of these difficult,
challenging conversations andyeah, just with Reiki, It's
better, that, that doesn't, evenwith Reiki, nothing is going to
be perfect.
There's going to be times whenwe mess up, when we do get
(50:00):
triggered, and we just have togive ourselves some compassion,
some grace, do our best to Giveourselves Reiki, recenter,
ground, that moving meditationthat I did, I like to add in the
power symbol or the holy firesymbol to that, just to make it
more potent, do our clearing, doour grounding.
(50:22):
Okay what now?
I said this awful thing orwhatever that I didn't really
mean now what?
Okay, what do I need to do toapologize for that?
Pamela (50:34):
Yeah, I think that's, yeah.
I think that's the best course.
Karen, thank you.
This is so much to think about.
And, before we wrap up today, Ijust thought we'd go into a
meditation to help our listenersfor some of the difficult
conversations that they'reprobably contemplating.
(50:54):
a result of this.
I'm going to just inviteeverybody to go ahead and close
your eyes and I'm going toinvite you to place your Reiki
activated hands over your heart.
And just go ahead and makeyourself comfortable, letting
your body relax fully, with youreyes closed, taking a deep
(51:20):
breath, and just letting go ofany tension or anxiety as you
exhale, any foreboding, anyfeelings of nervousness, and
just feel the seat underneathyou.
(51:41):
Let yourself be here in thismoment in time.
And on every inhale, just feelthe Reiki energy filling your
breath, filling you with a senseof calm, peace.
Harmony.
(52:03):
And on every exhale, justcontinue to let go of tension
and discomfort.
Just imagining your breath as abeautiful wave, a peaceful wave,
moving in and out and bringingyou back to your center.
(52:28):
And just take a moment toconsider the earth beneath you
and imagine placing your energyin the bottoms of your feet or
your consciousness.
And then just allow yourconsciousness to travel into the
earth like roots.
(52:49):
Moving deeply into the earth,all the way through the soil,
into the ground water and thebedrock beneath.
And just feel your roots growingdeeper and deeper, grounding
you, connecting with that pureliving water of the earth.
(53:14):
The stability of the bedrock andthe strength moving into you.
Just feeling yourself supportiveand held, safe, secure.
And just notice the Reiki energynow flowing into your heart.
(53:39):
Breathe it in.
Allow it to fill your entirebeing with light and filling
your heart, your throat, yourentire body.
Let it move you into a state ofpeace and harmony, conscious
harmony.
(54:00):
Harmony within yourself andharmony with the growth that you
will experience in theconversations.
Harmony with the other personand with the conversation
itself.
Namaste.
(54:22):
And if you're aware of anyemotional blocks, any fear, any
frustration, any tension, anyavoidance from conversations
that you need to have, You canjust turn all of these blocks
and barriers over to Reiki, justtrusting that the energy is here
(54:50):
to support you.
And you may wish to say toyourself something like, I am
grounded, I am centered, I amopen to clear, compassionate
communication.
And don't forget to becompassionate with yourself.
(55:16):
And just let these wordsresonate within you, knowing
that You have the power to speakclearly, calmly, even in the
most difficult moments, andReiki can help you with that.
(55:38):
And if you have any fears oranxieties about conversations
that you need to have, justimagine them dissolving, turning
into little speckles of lightand floating away.
Embraced and released by theReiki energy as the light of
(56:02):
trust moves through you and youtrust that you're prepared to go
into any conversation with graceand understanding and love you,
you trust yourself deeply andfully.
And now we just go into a momentof visualization, just imagining
(56:32):
yourself entering theconversation with a sense of
peace and confidence.
Visualize yourself speakingclearly from the heart,
listening deeply and respondingwith kindness.
(56:54):
Feel a wave of peace and calmsurround you as you speak your
truth.
And notice how this peace andcalm, this energy extends to the
person you're speaking with.
(57:18):
And I just invite you tovisualize or imagine a very
harmonious, meaningful exchange.
And we'll just remain here for afew moments together, just
allowing this energy to settlewithin you.
(57:45):
Open yourself to the growth thatyou'll experience by approaching
(58:27):
this conversation in this way.
Take a deep breath in, fillingyour entire being with Reiki.
And on your next exhale, justgently bring your awareness back
(58:48):
to this moment in time.
Bring your attention to youreyes.
Slowly open your eyes andreturn.
And just know that you're readyfor any conversation.
You have within you the peace,the sense of calm, the clarity,
(59:11):
and the compassion to navigateit.
And Reiki is here to supportyou.
I'd like to just encourage youto approach all interactions
with your beautiful Reikiinfused presence.
(59:37):
I'd like to thank you, Karen,for being with us today and just
getting this conversation aboutconversations started.
Karen (59:47):
Thank you, Pam.
That was a beautiful meditation.
I appreciate you and your skilland expertise and leading that
as well as guiding theconversation.
Pamela (59:57):
Ah, thank you, Karen.
And to all of our listeners fromboth Karen and I, we appreciate
you, keep shining your light,keep having those Reiki filled
conversations, and we lookforward to seeing you again next
time.
Much love.
Namaste.
(01:00:17):
Thank you.
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