Teaching, Manifesting & the Future of the ICRT - with William Lee Rand - Reiki from the Farm™

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Pamela (00:07):
Hi and welcome to the Reiki from the Farm podcast
brought to you by me, Pam AllenLeBlanc from Hidden Brook Farm.
I am a scientist, abusinesswoman, and a licensed
Reiki master teacher with theInternational Center for Reiki
Training.
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improve your life, and we are sohappy that you're here.

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On this podcast, I am speakingwith my teacher, my mentor, my
friend, William Rand, the headof the largest Reiki
organization in the world, theInternational Reiki Center for
Reiki Training.
Welcome William.

William (01:12):
Oh, yeah.
Thank you.
Glad to be here.

Pamela (01:15):
I'm so happy you're here too.
Before we begin, I just want tolet you know what we have coming
up for classes.
You can actually see bothWilliam and I at the Northeast
Reiki Retreat.
If you would like, we'll bethere together from May 2nd to
4th.
And ahead of that, April 30th toMay 1st, Tracy Sullivan and I

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will be teaching our brand newhealth care course.
Reiki course.
We would love to have you joinus if that speaks to you.
William, you're teaching KarunaReiki ahead of the Northeast
Reiki Retreat, are you not?

William (01:49):
That's right.
Yeah.

Pamela (01:51):
Excellent.
Yes.
I'd like to learn Karuna Reikifrom the, the master, the
originator of the system.
That's a wonderful opportunityto do that.
April 25th to 26th, over twoevenings, I have a Level 3
Animal Communication coursecoming up, which is going to be
evenings in North America,mornings in Asia and Australia.

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We'd love to have you join us.
We also, in August, I have twowhale classes on the island of
Campobello.
That is Franklin and EleanorRoosevelt's summer home.
It's a Canadian island just offthe coast of Maine.
And in between class, we'regoing to be going whale
watching.
So there'll be a licensed levelone and two.

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and master and then thefollowing week animal one reiki
one and two and master love tohave you join us william you're
all over the place what do youhave coming up or should people
just check the reiki.
org website

William (02:52):
yeah yeah i guess check the website but i'm teaching
right here tomorrow i have a oneand two class here on maui and
then back to back I have a RikkiMasterclass here, then a day
off, then a Karuna class here onMaui in Hana.
And, you know, at the center,and then after that, oh, I've
got some online classes here.

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And then I end up at Lake GeorgeSilver Bay Northwest, Northeast
Wiki Association, yeah, teachingout there, and I'll be teaching
let's see, Omega Institute,well, it'd be Brett Bevel's
series there.
And I'm going to be going toEngland in July, and then let's

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see well, then, you know, I havemy whole Asia tour where I'm at
this point going to Taiwan,Japan, Beijing, Hong Kong, and
Vietnam.
So, yeah, hop, skip, and jumpall around.
So, yeah, so,

Pamela (03:53):
yeah, it'll be

William (03:54):
something.

Pamela (03:54):
Asia tour, isn't it?
Yeah, Asia

William (03:56):
tour.
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I'm teaching eitherboth the master classes, Reiki
Master and Karuna, and maybeReiki 1 and 2 also in some of
the places as well.
So get the whole thing goingover there.
We also have Lucy, who is nowone of our licensed teachers.
And Ken Locke, and so we've gota really strong presence in

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Asia, and Ting too, yeah, soyeah, so we have a very strong
presence in Asia, and we expectthat it's just going to take off
and do really well, so that isreally, you know, pretty amazing
development.

Pamela (04:32):
I think it's wonderful that you are able to go over
there and teach and supportthem.
And we have Munakai and Lena inJapan too.
So we really, yeah,

William (04:41):
yeah,

Pamela (04:41):
are expanding in

William (04:43):
Asia.
Yeah.
And then I'll be teaching atMount Cromwell again.
And speaking of which I wasexplaining to you Pam about my
lamp.
So this is yeah, so when I waslast there on Mount Kurama a few
months ago, then we walked down,and we had I think with us was,
came with us someone who wasvery knowledgeable about the

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mountain, and there was a templeoff to the side, and we walked
over to it, and it was closed,but we were able to look in, but
on the hanging, there were thesebeautiful lamps temple lamps,
And so we asked about them.
We were, it was explained wherethey came from and they were
made especially in a workshopfor the mountain and a long time

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ago, apparently around thebeginning of the 1800s.
And so then what I kind of gotback here, I looked it up on the
Internet.
And I did the mount corollatemple lamp and they were
actually for sale.
So the temple that we went towas actually, I guess, I don't
know if they're taking apart orsomething.
And so there were these lampsthat got they were for sale.

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So I ordered one.
And a few days ago, I got it in.
So that's it up here.
And I'm going to be getting somegoing to hang it right over here
next to the peace grid, likegetting some special chain and
hanging it right there.
And it's you know, theappropriate candle that goes in,
it would be a beeswax or a soycandle.

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So I ordered those.
So I'm going to get set up.
And then also I may even bemoving it around here in
different locations.
And then we're going toexperiment with taking
photographs for it to be on thecover of the Reiki News
Magazine.
So and working with ColleenBonelli, then, and myself, we

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tuned into it and it hasconsciousness.
And It's it's, it's purposethere on the mountain was to
guide people up to the templeand by, by its light.
And so then it's very happy tobe here.
And it was quite a surprise andhappy that I'm going to put it
right up here when I teach sothat it will be guiding people

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up to the light.
And so having something rightfrom Mount Kurama that was
present there when Asui was, youknow, on the mountain, and has
been there all along for, youknow, a hundred or more years,
that I'm just very, they saystoked, you know what I mean?
I'm delighted, William.

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I can't wait to come

Pamela (07:19):
and see it in person.

William (07:21):
Yeah.
So yeah, very happy to have thatpiece of temple the temple
lantern here.
So

Pamela (07:28):
it, it, it, you said that they were made in the, by a
certain craftsman in the 18,late 1800s.
Yes, so that early,

William (07:37):
early 1800s, early, early 1800s.
Okay.

Pamela (07:41):
So that would be present when you see we went up.

William (07:44):
Absolutely.
They've been there a long time.
They're made of brass, but theyhave a black coating of some
type of paint, so they're notgoing to rust, even if the paint
is damaged or something.
So that's a consideration herewith a salt air, but because
it's brass, it's not going todeteriorate or anything.

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And it's got little doors youopen them and then inside
there's a place you could put atray or something to hold a
candle.
So that's what I'm going to beworking with.
I'm going to work with it.
So, and then I'm going to playwith it and see what I come up
with.
So, you know, I'm thinking righthere hanging from the ceiling,

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but I may actually, there'sother places around I might
experiment with.
So.
I love that.

Pamela (08:36):
Well, William, you know, as we're speaking of all of your
plans in Asia and stuff likethat, one of the questions I
wanted to ask you about today isthe fact that you've taught all
over the world.
And can I just say about yourclass in July in England, that
is the class that I attended.
It was in May, the year Iattended.

William (08:57):
Yeah.
That

Pamela (08:58):
is very special, too.
So, and anybody who wants toattend any of those.
You've gone all over the world.
What are some of the challengesor maybe even some of the unique
stories or experiences you'vehad when you've traveled to
teach?
What are, what do you, what doyou notice?
You wrote, you've wrote several,written several articles about

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them.
And when I travel to teach, Ireally tend to follow your
advice.
But what would you tell peopleabout that?

William (09:27):
Well, you of course, first of all, you need a
passport and you may need avisa.
So you would check into, youknow, what travel documents
would you need, and you can goto you know, on the online and
us government and traveling toforeign countries, you know,
look into that and they willtell you what you might need in
terms of traveling around theworld.

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And, then one otherconsideration is the type of
cuisine, food that they havethere.
Is it palatable for you?
Is it food you can eat?
Or if so, what types of theirfoods are you able to eat?
When I went to India, their foodwas extremely hot, spicy, which
is very spicy for them.
Yeah, that's, to them,completely normal.

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And how could you not eat spicy?
For me, it was like burning mymouth off.
So, I had to, you know, havethem tone down.
Cause they're mild is still waytoo spicy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So anyway, that's something toconsider is the cuisine and how
is the food prepared and, youknow, can you eat their food or
can you, do you need to bringsome of your own or.

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somehow pay attention to thefood that's available, the diet.
The other thing would be thepure, pure, the water.
So in some countries the wateris contaminated.
In India when I traveled there,and this is not, I love India,
it's a great place, but allwater is polluted.

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And I'm talking tap water rainwater river water, And just
about everything is polluted.
So you really need your ownfilter.
So I brought my own waterfilter.
I would pump and filter it.
And so that's something to beconcerned with because you can
get there's different serious.
Like you can get dysentery andyou won't die from it, but

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you'll be sick.
So you have to be careful aboutlittle tricky things like that,
so food and water.
And then, of course, thelanguage and you can always use
on your phone Google Translate.
Yeah.
It's a, it's a handy tool.
Fantastic.
And around the world, everybodyin these foreign countries, they
almost always understand andknow about Google, Google

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Translate.
And so you use Google Translate.
And then the idea would beprobably it's a good idea to get
a translator for your class ifit is a foreign language.
Because even though in school,English is a second language all
over the world, but they don'thave a really good working
knowledge of English.

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And so while they cancommunicate, basically in
teaching a class, the subtlemeaning of what you're saying
may not be communicated.
So you need a translator and youneed someone who is a conversant
with Reiki, knows Reiki, hasReiki.
So when you get to the specialReiki words, they understand
what it is you're trying to say.

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So that would be something tokeep in mind is a translator who
is Reiki knowledgeable.
Maybe has reiki so they cantranslate the special words that
you're using when you're class.

Pamela (12:30):
Yeah.
So, and I, you and I have talkedabout translation, just the fact
that you, you can't go into asin depth conversations always
you sometimes have.
Yeah.

William (12:42):
And the other thing is working with a translator.
You can't you don't have as muchtime, right?
As you speak, the translatorspeaks, you speak, the
translator speaks.
So you have to condense whatyou're saying to very basic
sentences.
So you can't elaborate and solike, sometimes I forget and I

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go off and they go, Oh, wait,wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
wait, I have to stop.
I have to translate that.
And so then I realized, Oh,okay.
So then I, you know, condense itdown to very simple, basic
sentences.
And then the value though, is ifyou do have a manual translated
into their language.

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Then they're going to be able toread it and get probably a,
maybe a deeper understanding.

Pamela (13:31):
That's right.

William (13:32):
So that's something to keep in mind is the translation,
be able to work with thetranslator where you talk, they
talk, you talk, they talk.
Then a student in class asks aquestion in their native tongue,
then the translator willtranslate it into English for
you.
So you have to wait, English,and it goes back like that.
So you're not able to teach asmuch because there's the

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translation time that takesplace.

Pamela (13:56):
I noticed that too.
And I find as a teacher, it'sactually challenging but it's
lovely because you have to getreally efficient.

William (14:05):
Yes.
Mm hmm.

Pamela (14:06):
No, you have to because you you still want, you still
need to cover everything and Ithink that people still get the
nuances just with your voice,just in the energy.
Yeah, the

William (14:19):
energy is the same.
So, the Reiki, the energy is isnot be translated.
It's just it's the Reiki energyand it works.
Just fine.
So they get the full Reikienergy.
It's just the, you know,explanation of it.
And right now we do have ourmanuals translated in quite a
few different foreign languages.
And we have that digital sopeople can go online and on

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their phones and read themanual.
And then we have differentpeople in different countries
who have taken them and printed.
Hard copy manuals and sell themthere in their country.
So we don't sell them so muchfrom our center in Michigan in
the US, but we they're availabledigitally and also hard copy

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being printed by people in thatarea

Pamela (15:08):
that are licensed to do that.
And that's great.
Yeah, this makes this systemavailable everywhere.
Doesn't it?
So You know, I remember readingan article you wrote, William,
about teaching in foreigncountries, and you had some
really great suggestions that Ifollow when I travel to teach,
or just when I travel.
One was, always only bring carryon, and Yeah,

William (15:32):
yeah, yeah.

Pamela (15:33):
I, I love that.
So I'll bring, you know, I wentto Australia for three weeks.
And I brought nine manuals andtwo computers, and all I brought
was carry ons so yeah, one ofthe things you had recommended
was only bringing Carrie on andthat's

William (15:50):
right.
Yeah.

Pamela (15:52):
And yeah,

William (15:53):
that's, I've learned that, well, I mean, here's the
thing.
It's now the problem, but whenyou get to the airport.
It's going to take longer.
Now, you know, nowadays you canactually get your boarding pass
on your phone and you can, youknow, check into your for your
flight and everything on yourphone.
And then if you got the TSAapproval pre check TSA pre

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check, then and you have carryon, you just, You know, go to
the airport and go right to thepre check line and go through
and get on the plane.
If not, you have to go up to thedesk and then check your bags.
And when you land, you've got towait for your luggage to be
unloaded and come down and getyour luggage.

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Feel it off.
So you're going to save, youknow, maybe a total of an hour
altogether and travel time halfhour at each end, probably, or
maybe longer.
Sometimes it takes a really longtime for that luggage to get
down there and then then getyour bag and carry it.
Whereas if you just walk off theplane and you're you're gone.
So yeah, Carrie, if you can.

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You know, and the thing is whatI used to do is I took things
just in case I might need it,you know, and And so and then
often I didn't even need it.
And so I thought i'm going totake things I absolutely have to
have only and then you canalways often if there's
something you just really needyou can usually buy it Or
something while you're there.

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So yeah, I just pared that downnow.
The other thing is i'm a guy andI know You know, it's just the
nature of, you human beings andwomen have more clothing and
other things they have to takewith

Pamela (17:34):
them.
I only travel with carry onWilliam and you see that saved
me so many times like even whenI kind of got stuck in England
during COVID when we're closingand flights were going down.
They were trying to get me anearlier flight and, and it was
gonna be complicated with acheck bag.

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And I said, well, no, I onlyhave carry-on.
Yeah.
And they're plugged out and theywent, well, you can get any
flight then, Yeah.
And that just saved so manytimes.
I just walk off the plane and goto the rental car or whatever.
I just, I will never go withmore than carry on, no matter
how long I go for.

William (18:14):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I learned.
And you just gotta.
Learn how to do that.
And it just makes it so easy.
And I got what I've got is likea backpack.
That's my I got a back becausethey allow you one bag plus a
carry on.
And so I got a backpack.
And so then I got my littleroller bag.
So I take the straps and tightenup the straps on my backpack.

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Push it, let it bound over the,the the, the strap handle.
And then sometimes, what I dotoo now is I've got a little
short bungee cord that I wraparound it.
Because sometimes the strapsaren't tight enough, it kind of
flops over.
So I get it, tighten it up.
And then I just roll along.
And then I go on the plane.
And I take my backpack, put itup in the rack.
Or sometimes I put the backpackunder the seat.

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And I've got all my stuff.
For on the plane, I might want,you know, sunglasses and water,
whatever I might want.
And then the other thing iswater.
They don't allow you through thethe TSA check.
With to take water.
So you can take an empty waterbottle.
If you have a special waterbottle you want to take with

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you, you just empty, you go andwhen you go through, then buy
your water and then fill up yourwater bottle, or you can just
buy the plastic water bottle andtake that with you you know, in
instant from the airport.
And so you like that.
And so you know, there's acouple of pointers,

Pamela (19:34):
I guess, around that.

William (19:35):
Yeah.

Pamela (19:36):
And you used to recommend like making some
granola and oh,

William (19:41):
yeah, I made my own granola.
In fact, I think that recipe isstill available prairie prairie
granola or something.
I mean, I called it and yeah, Ihow to make your own special
granola.
You can get all your grains andstuff, put them together.
You bake it in the oven and thenyou got your.
Yeah, Prairie.
I didn't call it.
My silly name was Buffalo chipgranola, but it's not a good

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name.
But anyway, It doesn't soundappetizing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
It's just Prairie, Prairiegranola or something like that.
So yeah.
So I think there's a, like aholistic granola.
You can make yourself by buyingstuff from the health food store
and making your own granola.

Pamela (20:20):
Yeah.

William (20:20):
So I,

Pamela (20:21):
I love it.
I love it.
And so, you know, right from thebeginning, you were guided to
take Reiki around the world,various cultures.
What have you noticed?
Like, do you find Reiki isembraced differently in
different cultures?
And have you ever noticed thatyou've had to adjust, make

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adjustments to how you teach incertain cultures?

William (20:46):
Well, one thing that is a little bit of the opposite of
that is that Everybody that hasReiki has a basic core essence
that's the same.
Yes.
And so that's almost, it'salmost like Reiki is a language.
And so you, it's like, you're,you're all Reiki people.
So it's like, you're all part ofthe same culture and in a lot of

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respects.
So Reiki, okay, I got Reiki.
Sure.
So that bonds people together,the Reiki energy.
And so Let's see, are theredifferences in how people
practice and different.
I don't think there's too muchtoo much difference.
So,

Pamela (21:28):
it really does have that common thread then.

William (21:31):
Yeah, it does.
The only thing is this that youhave to be respectful of the
religion.
So, like, we're from a Christiancountry where it's like, we're
so used to Christianity beingnormal.
And while Christianity isunderstood, like I go to Taiwan,
they are, you know, they'reDaoist.

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They, they speak Mandarin andthey have a Chinese background
and so they're into that type ofbackground as being the standard
norm and and although they,they, they respect Christianity,
it's Kuan Yin and Buddhism andTaoism that they look to.

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So that would be something tocheck into is what deities do
they rever?
And become familiar with themand make sure you talk more
about them.
And but so Kuan Yin in Taiwan isdefinitely a deity they respect
and look toward.
And I think that's nice also forfeminism.

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And whereas when you've gotJesus, you know, that's a little
different.
But they are into Kuan Yin astheir deity.
But the main deity in Taiwan.
I imagine in some parts ofChina, but now that it's
communist, it's a littledifferent in terms of what's,
what's going on there in termsof religion.

Pamela (22:51):
Yeah.

William (22:52):
Yeah, I would, that's one thing I would check into is
what's, what are the religionsthat they practice there and who
are the deities that they workwith.
And then, of course, with HolyFire, we work with the Brothers
and Sisters of the Light who arethe founders of all the world's
religions and spiritual paths.
So you just find out which ones.
Would, you know, from thebrothers and sisters that are

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going to be more prominentthere.
And

Pamela (23:15):
which ones fit that's a really good advice and you know,
this, this takes me back toWilliam it makes me think like
from the early 90s when youstarted teaching Reiki, you
began teaching around the worlddid you.
Realize then, or did you have aclear vision of how it would
spread and, and, and how do youfeel about how it has spread and

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how the ICRT teachings areworldwide?
How does that, you know,

William (23:44):
yeah, when I first began teaching, I was like, not
I was somewhat of an outsiderbecause the Reiki Alliance was
the dominant teachingorganization in the U.
S.
And then you know, I was just anewcomer and I was part of it
because my teacher was part ofthe Reiki Alliance, Bethel Faye.

(24:06):
Yeah, and she was one of themasters that she learned from
Dakota and so the Ricky then theRicky Alliance was formed after
Dakota passed on.
And so that was the mainorganization in the US that
promoted Ricky.
And so then I was a littledifferent though, because there
was, some break away from that alittle bit.

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So Iris Ishikura was one ofTsukada's masters.
And the price, the going pricefor mastership was 10, 000.
And so when I heard that, when Ibecame a master in Hawaii, I
just thought, well, that is sobeyond because back then 10, 000
was more like 40, 000 now.
And also I was living like justa very.

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subsistence, you know, livingwhere I was just, you know, I
wanted to meditate, go hiking,go to the beach, hang out and
all that.
So I was doing my astrology andpast life progression therapy
and then eventually Reiki.
So I wasn't, I didn't have a lotof money or anything.
So, you know, master 10, 000.
I just thought, well, whatever,you know, it's obviously I'm not

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good.
That's not going to happen forme.
But but then the main thing thatBethel said was Reiki can guide
your life.
And she said, this is a reallyimportant thing and talking
about how we all come to thislife with a spiritual purpose.
And then it's sort of waylaid bya cultural values and you find
out, oh.
You know, that's not what we'resupposed to be, we're supposed

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to be, you know, getting a goodeducation and going to church,
of course, and then also gettinga job and then hopefully,
possibly moving up or getting toa nice neighborhood and nice
clothes and all that, and that'svalue.
And whereas our spiritualpurpose is a lot different, may
not have anything at all to dowith money or material
possessions or anything at all.
And so then those are often atodds, but then Bethel was

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talking about that, that Reikihelps us discover our purpose
and help us, helps us to achieveit.
And so the interesting thingthough is that Reiki actually is
a business.
So, you know, it's, it'sspiritual and it's a spiritual
business.
So then that allows you to thinkabout this and integrate.
You know, money andspirituality, the business

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aspect and the spiritual lifetogether.
And so that helps out too.
So you know, those are some ofthe things that in the beginning
I had to consider, but then as Igot more involved with it, I, I
helped, it sort of helped me tointegrate them.

Pamela (26:33):
Did you, did you expect that it would ever grow, the
ICRT would ever grow to be thesize that it is today and have
the reach that it has?

William (26:43):
Well, I, I didn't have the full vision on it, but the
thing is this, that I hadalready had a business.
I was a businessman and I, I Iwas into racing motorcycles.
And so I developed a businessselling racing parts for
motorcycles.
And so I had that business goingso, and that evolved and
developed.
And so I had a lot of businessexperience.

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So then when I became a Reikimaster, I noticed these other
masters didn't know hardlyanything about business and I
was, and also they had sort ofan aversion to it, like it was
not, not their thing, but theywere the spiritual part and all
that, but I already was intobusiness.
And so it was very natural forme and easy for me to then adapt

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many of my the businessprinciples and like marketing
and advertising promotion andput that together.
And so my, my business took offand in fact, prior to that, I
had I was had spiritualdevelopment classes and so
started, I learned how to teach.
By doing that and got myspiritual development classes

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going and there was ametaphysical paper in my area
and I went to the owners and Iasked them, well, what do I, you
know, I know about a lot ofstuff I could write about.
How do I do it?
And they said, oh, just go aheadand write and we'll edit it.
And so.
By seeing how they edited myarticles, I became a better
writer.
So they corrected things and,and pretty soon eventually, you

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know, they said, Oh, you know,we're doing, you're doing so
well.
We didn't have to edit it atall.
So, you know, it's because Ifixed every single thing that
they had to fix.
And so I conformed my writingstyle to what they wanted.
And so I became a writer and youknow, a teacher, I was a
businessman and There was wordthat you could become a master

(28:34):
for 500.
I thought, oh, it can't be.
It's supposed to, you know, the10, 000 is a, like a required
fee.
And it's like a part of theinitiation.
You have to get the 10, 000together to be a master.
This can't be the real thing.
So I went to the teacher and Italked to her and she says, Oh,
no, no, this is the real deal.
And she explained that Takadataught Iris Ishikuro as one of

(28:57):
her masters.
And she taught two people.
You know, after Takata passed,she taught two people for 500,
the master level for five.
So she was an authentic mastertrained by Takata and she just
changed the price to 500.
And she just taught two peoplethough.
And then Arthur Robertson wasone of them.
He was a teacher of Tibetanshamanism.

(29:18):
So he began teaching master for500.
And so that's where that's, Ithink, one of the ways that it
got out there for the lowerprice.
And then it just spread and moreand more people were doing it.
So I got in on, you know, 89 asa master for 500.
And so my calling card orattractive thing was it's master

(29:41):
for 500.
And so so that's that way I wasattracting business because of
that.
And they hit what, what, what,you know, five, Oh, really?
Is this, Oh, really?
Oh, wow.
So, I mean, people were, no,cause everyone, you know,
learned up to level two.
But they could never go to Massbecause they didn't have, unless
they were wealthy or something,they didn't have 10, 000.

(30:03):
So then this is a way, so I gota flood of students and
everything.
And then I realized well, a lotof people then are starting to
teach for 500.
And if I don't do anything, I'mgoing to be just the same as
everybody else.
So I decided I'm going to reallyneed to refine my teaching
skills and improve my writingand produce a really high

(30:27):
quality product that will allowpeople to easily teach.
And so one of the issues aroundthen when things were getting
going is there was a lot ofcompetitiveness and stifling
that the teacher didn't, theywanted to get your money.
And teach you, but they didn'twant you to do that.
Well, so they didn't, you didn'thave the energetic blessing of

(30:50):
them.
And they, there's kind of like afearful energy around them.
Don't you ever try to do itbetter than me?
I'm at the top here.
I'm the one and you're beneathme.
And so but I realized this and Idecided I'm going to teach the
same way, the same way.
as a teacher I would have likedto have met when I was looking

(31:12):
for a teacher.
And so I taught, we'rewholeheartedly wanting everybody
to do as well as they wanted todo, and practice Reiki in a way
that's just right for them.
So because of that, then I wrotemy manuals.
And I freely made them availableto everybody, and so they could

(31:32):
use the same quality manual Iwas using, and then I paid
attention to keep updating it assoon as new information came
along, and then I just made themavailable, and so then that was
very attractive to students thatalready had a manual that they
could use, because the way itwas taught before was you have
to write your own manual.

(31:54):
Right.
So to be a master, you wouldhave to write your own manual.
Did you experience that Pam?

Pamela (31:58):
No, I only studied at the master level with you.
And I would never have wanted tostart from scratch writing my
own manual.
I, you know, it made it so easy,William, to be able to use those
beautiful quality manuals ofyours when it was time to teach.
It just made it so.

William (32:18):
Yeah.
So that was, that was areorientation in my mind that
took place.
Toward wanting everyone to dowell and doing everything I
could to help them.
So, you know, class outlines,class manuals, and then
wholeheartedly encouraging themto do well, wanting them to do

(32:38):
well.
So they felt free and theydidn't feel like, oh, no, I
better not let him know I'mdoing this because he might not
like it.
And so, no, I'm happy.
I'm happy that you do well.
And so because of that,

Pamela (32:50):
that's what you wanted for us.
And that's,

William (32:52):
yeah, yeah, like a very positive rapport and
wholeheartedly wanting everyoneto do well and feeling good when
they do.
And what that did for me,though, is made it very easy.
Because when you don't wantpeople to do well, then it puts
up a lot of negative energywithin you and you don't feel

(33:12):
good when people do well andthere's a little anger and
resistance towards othermasters.
And so you know, my attitude wasjust have a very positive
attitude toward all Reikimasters.
I want them to do well and behappy when they do well.
And then it just opened me up tobe very free and easy and just

(33:35):
everything flowed.
And so yeah, that style justreally helped me teach very
easily.
And I mean, it helped it spreadbecause people picked up on the

Pamela (33:46):
vibe.
I agree.
And I think that's one of thereasons that it became so
popular.
And, and you wrote an article,William, about how you, you
actually were able to correlatejust vast improvements in the
world as a result of there beingmore Reiki masters in the world.

(34:08):
You wrote two articles aboutthat.

William (34:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, looking back, On thestate of the world and the level
of peace in the world, you know,Takata came started teaching
Reiki well, it was just beforeWorld War II started, but she
really got going after it wasover, and it came from Japan, so

(34:31):
so then as this spread around,now when we look back at the
state of the world we see, Thatthere have been no world wars
since the end of World War Two,which is right when Reiki began
to grow.
And so we can see that whenwe're not, I'm not saying it's
the only thing that's doing it,but certainly the prevalence of

(34:54):
Reiki developing in the worldhas promoted a greater level of
peace.
And so I think people reallyneed to look at, you know, have
a perspective around this and goall the way back to the world
wars.
And how we haven't had one in areally long time and we do have
wars, and that's I'm not sayingwe like them at all.

(35:15):
We don't like wars at all.
We would rather that there notbe any words at all.
But now we don't have world warsand, and so in fact, when there
are wars, there's a lot ofconcern and how can this be
contained and prevent fromexpanding and things.
And so there was a book calledthe greater the better angels of

(35:36):
our nature by Steven Pinker.
And that's what, what he, he wasa psychologist.
He is a psychologist and hethought things were getting
worse in the, in the world.
And he thought, well, I'm goingto chronicle this and get the
stats on it to show how theworld's getting worse.
So he started doing that and hefound out the opposite was true.
That every aspect of strife inthe world was diminishing,

(36:01):
including crime and war and anysort of things like holding
people back and racism and allsorts of things like that.
We still have a lot of thesethings going on, but they're
getting less and less and less.
And so that he's, that's awonderful book.
It's was written a while ago.
But Steven Pinker, the betterangels of our nature he's got

(36:24):
facts and stats and everythingshowing that actually
everything's getting better.
Now, I don't know what he's donesince then, you know, how things
are going, but it probably it'sstill getting better.
It's hard to say, but you know,of course, you want it all to
you know, we do get less andless and reduce and but the,
when we look back at the historyof a war and difficulty and

(36:47):
famine and so forth that thereare fewer, fewer people going
hungry in the world fewer poorpeople fewer people with fewer
disease and illness.
And ever since Reiki started tobecome prevalent at the end of,
you know, around the World WarII and the end of World War II
is when it happened.
So we we look at all that andpretty amazing that Reiki, you

(37:10):
know, Reiki, you know, has hadat least one of the contributing
factors to that taking place.

Pamela (37:15):
Yeah, I, I agree.
And you know, William, part ofthis, you know, obviously you
followed your spiritual path Youknow, one of the key messages
you learned early on was thatReiki can provide us with that
divine guidance.
How do you think Reiki helpspractitioners on their spiritual

(37:40):
journeys?
And what are some ways they candeepen their connection with
Reiki so that they can followtheir own path?

William (37:49):
Well, I think basically one of the things would be to
send Reiki to your future.
And Send Reiki to theformulation of your plans for
your Reiki practice and askReiki to guide you.
So one of the things I begandoing that immediately had an

(38:09):
effect is I began saying aprayer.
The prayer was initially guideme and heal me so that I might
be of greater service to others.
And then I added guide me andheal me so that I might be of
greater service to myself andothers.
And so that really had a verypowerful effect.

(38:30):
And I was living in Hawaii, andI don't know if any of the
listeners have, you knowparticipants have been in
Hawaii, but it's a beautiful,beautiful place.
And when I moved there, Ithought, this is it.
I'm never leaving this place.
I'm going to stay in Hawaii therest of my life.
This is it.
And I thought, if I don't doanything else except live in

(38:52):
Hawaii, that accomplishment willbe big enough to make my life
meaningful.
I don't have to do anything.
I'll just live here.
And so, so and of course I didmore than that.
But then, I started seeing myprayer and you know, like I say,
it was five, I paid 500 forlevel two and then it was 10,
000 for master.

(39:13):
I said my prayer and then I wasguided.
Things happened where it becomemore and more difficult for me
to be there.
Now, prior to that, it was like,I'm here.
I belong here in Hawaii.
It feels like this is it.
But then it's like thingsstarted breaking up and I felt
like maybe I don't belong.
I just, I don't know.
I just feel strange.

(39:34):
And so a friend of mine hadmoved to San Francisco.
He said I could come hang withhim.
So that's what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna go over to Lawrence inSan Francisco.
So I went out with him, stayedthere a while, and then what
happened?
Is that eventually I ran out ofmoney, I call my parents and
said, can you loan me 1, 000?
Keep my business going.
I had this big spiel howpractical this is.

(39:57):
It's a good thing and all that.
And I talked to my mother about2 weeks later.
She says, well, we can't loanyou any money, but we have a way
better.
And she thought this is thegreatest thing she ever thought
of.
You can actually come back homeand live with us.
And she just had no idea how Ifelt about it, but she thought,
Oh, of course, I'm going to wantto do that.
Come back to my parents and livewith them.

(40:17):
Great.
Fantastic.
But I mean, are you kidding me?
There's no way I want to dothat.
So anyway, because it felt likethey wanted to come back there.
So it would make me just likethem.
And I thought, I can't do it.
I can't be like them.
There's no way.
No, I can't do it.
So anyway, I said a prayer and Iasked what it says.

(40:40):
Give it a try.
And I go, well, is that it?
I mean, what do you mean give ita try?
Well, well, well, it says giveit that so it says meditate on
that.
So I meditate it goes.
Oh There's something there alesson or something something.
So I okay.
I'm gonna go back there eyesopen Looking around, learn that

(41:01):
lesson as fast as I can, get outof there, go back to Hawaii.
So I went back, and then myparents had a different idea.
They wanted me, they thought I,what I was doing was, they could
not understand how I couldpossibly be doing what I was
doing, earning money.
So they wanted me to get a goodjob, big company, with a big
company, with lots of benefits,go to work every day.
And they said, when you getolder, you will look back on a

(41:24):
happy life.
And I thought, I don't have todo that.
So anyway, I did do that though.
And with U.
S.
Sprint long distance service.
And I did extremely well, andactually I could see, I, I
became number two in sales in adepartment of 70 people, and I
could see that I could actuallystay with the company,

(41:47):
understand the corporate ladderand climate.
So I, I thought I could see howI could do it.
But then another part of mesaid, well, what about, you
know, the Reiki and the pastlife regression therapy I was
doing and the meditation andastrology, what about that, you
know, I'm.
I was undecided.
And then what happened is theyhad a meeting.

(42:07):
They laid off the wholedepartment.
I go, Oh, there's my answer.
So I don't even have to thinkabout it.
So I went back to my parents andand I, I was real happy and
smiling.
Why are you smiling?
And is it now?
You got to turn around, go backout there and do the same thing.
Just persistence.
Keep doing it.
And I said, now, wait a minute.
I just did what you told me todo and it didn't work.

(42:27):
But I know what will work andthat's my astrology and past
life regression therapy and theReiki and all that and they were
very disgruntled.
And so I started doing that.
It ended me with me having tomove out of the house with my
parents.
And so then I moved into anotherplace called the Health First
House and that's all they wereinto.
Meditation and diet and exerciseand healing and all kinds of

(42:50):
stuff like that.
So, and then that's where Ilearned to be a writer, learned
how to teach, and theneventually found out about being
a master for 500.
At that moment.
I paused and I realized thiswasn't a problem, a mistake,
because when I told people I wasgoing back to Detroit, they
looked at me with a lot ofworry, like, you know, that

(43:12):
something bad is happening toyou.
And so when I found out allthis, I looked at it and I
thought, look what happened.
I learned how to write, how toteach.
And now I can be a master for500 and I didn't, I never heard
of this and so I realized thiswas my path.
I was being guided.

(43:32):
So then from there, it all wentreally, really well.
My Reiki business, you know,just got better and better and
better and better and better andbetter and better And also I
kept saying my prayer now, oneof the things that happened very
mystical that happened is justbefore I started this journey
back, I was living in the housethere and in Honolulu, it was a

(43:55):
plantation house, very wonderfulplace to live.
A two bedroom and the kitchenliving room and so forth
bathroom and very nice place tolive.
And there were two other houseslike that.
I was part of this group calledthe living church of life.
And we hung out, we'd hang outtogether, go play ball at
volleyball and picnics andstuff.
And we'd support each other andhelp each other move or

(44:15):
whatever.
And so anyway, though, then Ihad to move from there.
You know, after I said, startsaying the prayer, then suddenly
I had to move.
I had to move around just like Iwas saying, and then eventually
come back and go all the wayback to Michigan and so forth.
So I'm still on, but back there,what happened was we had a
mutual washer and dryer and onenight around midnight went out

(44:37):
to get my laundry.
I look up and the stars are veryvividly clear like it's sort of
some nights you may not noticethis but there's some nights
when the atmosphere is likecrystal clear and that's what
this was like.
I could see stars that wereclosed further away and further
and like out into the vastnessyou could just feel the vastness
of the universe and it justexpanded my consciousness and

(45:00):
I'm I'm, I walk in with thisfeeling and then I realize
there's a presence there.
And it says, there is a way foryou.
And with that, I see this visionof a path going off into the
distance.
And I'm looking at it and go,wow.
And then it says, there is a wayfor you.

(45:21):
And this is a very momentoustime and you need to make a
decision.
You can't simply be aware ofthis path.
You have to decide if you wantto accept it.
And the being said also at firstit will be difficult, but I will
be here to help you through thedifficulties.
And in the end, you will achieveyour life purpose.

(45:44):
I'm going, wow, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so so then it, but it saysyou, you have to decide if you
want to accept it.
So I just pull it together and Igo, I accept this path then, you
know, so very clear.
And then I was guided.
And so this being was there.

(46:06):
And but it said that it wasgoing to keep its identity
secret and that we had arelationship and that was the
important thing to focus on andit was guiding me and
everything.
And then recently some moreguidance that came to me and
said, I'm an angel.
I go, Oh, okay.
Then, like, the next day itsays, I'm an archangel.

(46:29):
I go, Oh, all right.
And then it says, I'm archangelMichael.

Pamela (46:34):
So,

William (46:37):
you know that's so, so amazing because I, I, a long
time ago I got this painting ofan artist.
And it was Archangel Michael,and I have it in my in my living
room.
So, but it's Archangel Michael.
So no, he's still there stillguiding me.
And, and I think recently, therewas a moment last summer, when I

(47:02):
went for a hike and came back uphere.
And they the the guides were upthere, they're very happy.
And they say, Oh, you know, youfulfilled your life purpose,
you're all done.
And now you can come back hereand they, the energy I got with
that were there.
I was like a country club.
Everything's happy.
It's all.
Everything goes really wellthere.

(47:23):
You can come up with us up here.
We're going to hang out.
You know, we just have a lot ofit's just really good here.
And now you can come backmeaning.
So I, but I and I would see I'vebeen thinking about this
already.
And I realized.
It just took me a really longtime to get where I'm at.
And so what I had realizedthough over the years is that

(47:46):
the beings there don't have timeand sometimes it's hard for them
to understand it.
So I explained to them this,that it just took me I don't
know if it was 60 years orsomething like that to get to
this place in 60 years is areally, really, really long
time.
And I don't, you know, if I wereto die and go up with you guys,

(48:08):
hang out and come back, it mighttake me that time long time
again.
And I, you know, I, but I got, Ialready did it.
So why not just stay here and sofor a while and enjoy it and
also continue to be, becauseI'm, I have all these resources
to help people.
It's very easy for me to, youknow, be helping.
And then what they said is, allright, we're going to give you

(48:30):
an extension.
So, so I got that.
And at first, then thisextension was more or less,
well, what you were going to dois come up here and enjoy
yourself and have fun andeverything.
So we're going to set that upfor you down here on earth.
You just enjoy yourself havingfun.
So that's gone on for a littlewhile.
So then I came back and I said,well, I'd like some more

(48:51):
assignments and that just, youknow, kick back and, you know,
all that.
So that's feels good.
Sure.
It's great.
But I'd like, you know, I liketo be busy and doing something
productive.
So can you even some, not justenjoyment, some maybe upgrades
and stuff?
They said, yeah, yeah, we can dothat.
So then now I'm starting to getthe inklings of like a next step

(49:12):
for holy fire.

Pamela (49:14):
Really?
Oh, that's exciting.
You heard it here first,everyone.

William (49:20):
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I don't want to say too muchabout it.
But what's happening with theseupgrades is that on the other
end, where the guides are, theyhave to get it together to
figure out what the energieswill be, how to put them
together to channel them so theycan be grounded down in Earth.
So they have to prepare allthis.

(49:43):
And so they're doing that, andthen they're preparing me.
So I'm the lead person, sothey'll get me ready, and then
once I'm ready with it andeverything, then I will add it
to my teaching, and it will besomething I will, you know, talk
about, and it will open up awhole new doorway.

(50:03):
Of value to Holy Fire Reiki.

Pamela (50:08):
Amazing.
And I, I love it.
And this, that, this is aperfect segue, William, because
one of the things that you didfirst, I have just a quick
question.
It's just something I've beencurious about forever.
Did you ever pay 10, 000 for amasterclass?

William (50:25):
Nope.
You never did.
Okay.
I never paid it.
No, I never paid it.
And cause I got it for 500.
Boom.
I got it.
Hey, why would I pay 10, 000?
I got the, cause it was the realdeal.
It was the real teachingcomplete total.
No, no, nothing left out at all.

Pamela (50:42):
So no.
And I, the reason I asked isbecause I just know that you've
studied with different lineagesand different teachers over
time.
I did have a student I wanted tolet you know, and he, he was a
medical doctor or he wasn't astudent actually.
It was somebody who reached outfrom one of my articles and Dr.
Joe and he said You know, Pam,just to check, I did do a 10,

(51:04):
000 masterclass because, and hehad studied with you and then,
or with one of us, and then hehad also studied the 10, 000 and
he said, actually, you know,there was no difference
energetically, but I think Iliked the IC, for him
personally, he liked the ICRTclass better.
And I said, that's really good.

(51:25):
Yeah,

William (51:26):
they Yeah, I think they're, they're definitely a
valid you know, school of Reikiand they were responsible for
bringing it and expanding it andeverything.
And but the thing is that they,they vary and I mean, there's,
they're limited in what theyteach and often, at least back
when I was studying it you know,aware of it, their main thing,

(51:47):
their main teaching point is,You have to pay 10, 000.
That is the main thing for youto do to be a master.
Nothing about teaching, learningor anything like that.
Paying the 10, 000 is theinitiation and you become a
master.
And so that was their emphasis.

(52:08):
And so because of that.
Often there wasn't much more tothe teaching.
It was like you pay the money.
That's it.
Boom.
You got the ticket.
So literally you paid yourticket.
So then you're a master.
And then and also they saidthere's to be nothing in
writing.
There's to be no, you can'tallow your students to take
notes, no manuals, nothing togive to your students.

(52:32):
And so very limited.
And you know, I took some of theclasses from Phyllis Furumoto,
who is the so called GrandMaster of Reiki, or at least of
the Reiki Alliance, and herteaching was very limited.
There wasn't hardly anything,any content to it.
And now I'm not saying thatthey're all like that.

(52:53):
I'm sure some of them do have alot more content, but it was
almost like you're she said thatRicky too was to be taught in
four hours.
That's it.

Pamela (53:04):
I don't know how

William (53:05):
you know it was like an official proclamation, because
she was the grandmaster forhours.
And so,

Pamela (53:13):
I struggled to fit it into nine hours, William, or ten
hours.
Yeah,

William (53:17):
well, yeah, so, yeah, so anyway yeah, I took it from
her and I went.
She had an Adobe house in Santain Taos, New Mexico, and I met
her I took level one down inAlbuquerque, and then she

(53:39):
invited me up to Taos, so I wentinto her house up there.
And I think I stayed there orsomething anyway.
So anyway, yeah there was verylittle material or information
that was taught.
And anyway, but my thing was tolearn as much as I can and you
know, expand it.
And,

Pamela (53:58):
That's what I've done.
Study different lineages.
And then one of the other thingsthat you did, William, which I
am forever grateful for, is thatwhen you began to have too many
students as you, early on as youwere teaching, you wanted to
refer students to people, butyou also wanted to make sure you
were referring them to qualityteachers.

(54:19):
And so you started the LicensedReiki Master Teacher Program.
And it had different names overthe years.
years, but it's essentially theprogram that I was able to go
through, where we do an extrathousand hours of training to
ensure that our teaching and ourunderstanding of Reiki is deep

(54:39):
and that our teaching is thequality that, that You want and
I think that's really you know,can you tell us a little bit
about your inspiration there?

William (54:51):
Yeah.
Well, let's see.
Now.
I well, let's see.
I had Reiki training and thenthere was the spiritual
frontiers fellowshiporganization, which I think is
still around.
And then I was invited.
Let's see how that work.
They knew that I wrote forphenomena news, this paper.
And so they wanted me to comeand teach a class in, let's see,

(55:14):
maybe, I think it was past liferegression therapy.
And so I went to just outside ofKalamazoo, and they had, they
took over, I think I don't knowif it's, one of the colleges
there, and they, so we had therooms and stuff at the college
and everything, and then therewas a man named Arthur Robertson
there, and he was a Reikimaster, and he was teaching a

(55:39):
master level class there, andyou know, I talked with him
briefly, And then I did therewas a woman that got the
mastership and then afterwardswe hung out together and she
gave me the master attunement,you know, so that was really
something.
So I got that, that theattunement, but not, and I, she
showed me how to do attunement.

(55:59):
So somewhat of a superficialkind of a master training and
didn't really, No, that much.
And so that was the beginning.
And then that's, but then Ilearned about Diane McCumber
teaching the full master for500.
And so I took her training andthen you know, upgraded my
knowledge, but at that time itwas 10, 000 for master.

(56:22):
And so that there was very justbits and pieces of information.
And so that's kind of what I gotat first.
And but then I did take the fullmastership.
And became a master in March of89.
And then I, like you weresaying, and then I decided that
I was going to study with otherReiki masters.
And what I discovered.

(56:44):
Was they, they knew more, likethey taught the core principles
of Reiki, but they had a lot ofadditional training and
teachings that they had.
So I studied with six otherReiki masters, and it greatly
expanded my comprehension ofReiki, and how it works, and how
all these other people wereteaching, so it broadened my

(57:04):
understanding, and gave a lotmore depth to what I was doing.
So that was, that was veryvaluable.

Pamela (57:10):
And then you decided to train us so that you could refer
people to us.

William (57:17):
Yeah, I was getting more students than I could, felt
comfortable teaching.
So I began referring them to afew other people and I realized,
well, I don't know how wellthose people are teaching.
And so then that's when Istarted to develop a
certification training and thenso that's what it was, a

(57:38):
certified teacher training andMarvin Whitbeck was the first
one.
And so that was a very, he was,he actually was probably one of
the sponsors of the SpiritualFrontiers Fellowship.
So he, you know, had that goingand then he invited me up to Big
Rapids.
I taught Reiki up there andstarted traveling around and

(58:00):
then eventually I thought it wassupposed to be an oral tradition
and But I, people, I, I said,are you guys practicing or what?
What's going on?
And they said, well, you know,I, well, you know, I couldn't
quite remember how to do it.
And I talked to this one studentwho wasn't my student, but she
said, well, there were no notesor I couldn't take notes.

(58:20):
There was nothing in writing.
I couldn't remember how to doit.
So I forgot how to practiceReiki.
And she said, she went back toher teacher and the teacher
said, well, you're going to haveto pay the full fee again.
And this time, remember what Iteach.
And she said, you couldn'tafford to do it.
To pay it.
And so she said she neverpracticed.
Right.
So that's where I realized,well, I do I want my students to

(58:43):
be like that, you know, oraltradition.
So I thought, well, you know, Icould go with what I believe is
supposed to be the way it's tobe taught, or I could break that
rule.
And I write the very bestworkbook I could put together.
And so that's what I did.
And I went down to the copyshop.
And I, they coached me on how touse a Macintosh computer.

(59:06):
And I started writing mybooklet.
And then they were in the copyshop.
They made copies of it.
So I made my my first manual.
It's a Xerox copy.
And I gave it to my students.
I let them take notes.
And then a while later I checkedup and I said, how are you guys
doing?
He says, Oh, fine, fine.
We've got the manual.
Sometimes we forget something,we just look it up.
Or we got the notes andeverything.
Yeah, no problem.

(59:26):
We're just teaching and doing itand everything.
We go, Oh, it's working, it'sworking.
So then that's when I, I calleda bookstore just to see if they
had additional material onReiki.
And they said, no, no, there,there isn't really any books on
Reiki at all.
And so we can't recommend you,you know, give you any
recommendations about it.

(59:47):
And I said, oh, well, I havethis manual I wrote on Reiki.
And I just wanted additionalreference material from it.
And he said, what did you say?
I said, I have a manual.
And you have a manual on Reiki?
I go, yeah, I got a manual onReiki.
And he says, Send me copies.
I can sell them.
I go, what do you mean?
He says, we don't have anythingto give to people on Reiki.

(01:00:08):
There's nothing on Reiki outthere at all.
If you've got a manual, we cansell it.
Don't you get it?
Send me copies.
So I send them copies.
They started selling them.
And then I thought, well, Icould try some other bookstores.
In fact, they wanted it too.
So pretty soon my manual getssold in all these bookstores.
And then I start getting peoplecalling.
Like, I got this man, like sortof a quizzical.
I got this manual in thisbookstore about Reiki, and

(01:00:31):
they're just wondering can youcome to our town and teach
Reiki?
I go, oh yeah, I could do that.
So I wrote it without any secretinformation, no symbols or
anything in it, so it could besold like that.
And then then after that, I wentto a professional book
manufacturer in Ann Arbor,Michigan, where they publish
books.
I asked them, what do I need todo to actually make this into a

(01:00:52):
professional book?
And they gave me the ideas andeverything.
And so that's when I had myfirst manual published.
And This was the cover and itlooked like it was not as thick
as this, but I had it publishedin a book publishing company.
They did an excellent job.
And also, I was going to theTony Robbins workshops, who he

(01:01:13):
just started, and he started inHawaii.
Then when I went to SanFrancisco, he was coming to San
Francisco for the first time.
When I went back to Detroit, hewas coming to Detroit for the
first time.
And so I met the people, thepeople that organized it and
everything.
And in there, there was anartist.
And so I mentioned to her aboutwanting to put together a Reiki

(01:01:34):
manual with the hand positions.
And she said, well, she couldreally, she knew how to do that.
And so she said, we'll takephotos of people doing the hand
positions, and she'll use themas a template to that to the
drawings.
And so with that, I got thereally good hand position
drawings.
And so you know, so my veryfirst manual after that had all

(01:01:59):
of these beautiful handpositions in them.
And so I still have the samedrawings.
And so Sherry Machko was theartist and I met her through
Tony Robbins.
And so yeah, so all these thingskind of worked together and I
had this really beautiful manualand it became a selling piece
for my classes.
And I started traveling all overthe place.

(01:02:20):
I started going to Canada, evenin the Caribbean.
They asked me right away down inCuracao.
I went down there.
That was pretty early in mycareer.
And then Albuquerque, NewMexico, and just all over the
place.
And then then what I did is Icame out with a newsletter, and
then it was just four pages.

(01:02:41):
And then it grew eventually to48 pages.
And then somebody said, if youput a cover on it, you'd have a
magazine.
And I, I'd never thought ofthat.
And I go, oh, wow.
I, oh, okay.
So then I, we did that sort ofput a cover on it.
It was a magazine and then Irealized, well, I need to
develop this because someone wassaying, you just got to be a

(01:03:04):
regular look as good as aregular magazine.
So that's when we did that.
And it's been became a, a 80page, glossy.
Yeah.
Magazine, and I got all these,all these people to write for me
and everything and it's stillgoing.
Yeah, it's beautiful.
I've

Pamela (01:03:19):
had articles published in it.
Yeah, so that

William (01:03:22):
was an additional piece, the magazine.

Pamela (01:03:26):
So you developed the ICRT, you trained licensed
teachers, and now William, oneof the things I have to tell you
that I'm so impressed with ishow dedicated you are to
succession planning.
I've been privy, as one of theassistant directors, I've been

(01:03:47):
privy to some of the details andinformation on succession
planning within ourorganization.
And I just want to say, I havenever seen such in depth,
organized consistent, impressivesuccession planning.
And I know that that's, I knowthat that's you, you, this is

(01:04:12):
very important to you that theICRT goes on beyond you.
And can you tell me something,you know, I really admire how
the organization is steppingforward into this.
What made you, what made youbegin putting this all in place?

William (01:04:34):
Yeah, that's a good question, because I remember I
was teaching, it might have beenSan Diego or maybe Redondo
Beach, and someone said, well,this is all great, William, but
what's going to happen when you,when you die?
I mean, they put it prettybluntly.
What are you going to say?
And I, I was, I don't know, justsay, well, you guys, you know,

(01:04:56):
whatever you can, whatever, dowhatever.
And so then I thought, well, I'mgoing to, then I'm going to
really, yeah.
get more involved with this.
So over the years I have beencreating a more of a succession
plan and then now there are, wehave a succession team.
And so we just had a meetingtoday and we're going over in

(01:05:19):
detail about the whole thing andwe did talk, we also have a law
firm and what our, the attorneysaid basically is, well,
actually It takes about a yearand a half before so see what we
want to do then is make it intoa nonprofit and they were

(01:05:40):
saying, well, this happensfrequently and that it's
acceptable for it to take abouta year and a half for there to
be a transition from the profitcompany over to the nonprofit.
And at first, it's still aprofit and then it transitions
into a nonprofit and that'snormal.
So That takes a lot of thepressure off, but the succession

(01:06:01):
team is concerned.
And so we've been puttingtogether a much more detailed
succession plan and covering allthe different aspects of it.
And they also want to know whatmy wishes are for how this will
continue.
And so that I'm getting to put alot of input into it.
And even though it may be 10 or15 or 20 or 30 years before I

(01:06:26):
hope so, yeah, it might be thatlong.
It could be that long.
I don't know that having this inplace.
Makes me feel good, but it alsomakes the students feel really
good that they're gettinginvolved with something that
will continue on into thefuture.
It's not depending on me beingalive.

(01:06:47):
So there are other nonprofitspiritual organizations like
that who had, you know, very newand outstanding founders.
Who had the wisdom to set thisup.
The Rosicrucians is one of them.
And then the man that started H.
Spencer Lewis had his son takeover and then after that,

(01:07:08):
there's now another leader andthey've, they're all, you know,
they're nonprofit and they, youknow it's a beautiful
organization.
And so, you know, we have thatsort of as a As a template, and
there are other others likethat.
So, yeah, we're working on oursuccession planning and going
into detail on exactly how thisis to flow.

(01:07:30):
And and what will happen so, youknow, even the people in the
succession planning now mighthave passed on.
I don't know.
It's hard to say that but we'regetting it together so that
there will be a successionplanning will be built into the.
Organization so that it willjust naturally be there

(01:07:50):
generation after generation andthen just keep going.

Pamela (01:07:55):
I, I am, you know, I am privy to some of the details as
you know, and it's just, it'sreally impressive.
I applaud you for that.
I don't think that.
not everybody does that.
And so then you build up thisbeautiful organization.
And, and then there isn't thesuccession planning.

(01:08:18):
So it doesn't always continue.
So

William (01:08:21):
yeah, yeah.
So well, part of that is I havepart of my psychic awareness.
Is I have somewhat of anawareness of the other side and
of the spiritual beings thereand so forth and I know that
I'll be on the other sidelooking back and I don't go.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no.

(01:08:42):
I don't want to be doing that.
You want to.
Yeah.
That's good.

Pamela (01:08:48):
And we want things to be the way you want it to.

William (01:08:51):
Yeah, I don't want it to you know, end or anything.
So, yeah, so working on thiswith that in mind.
And also we already know thereare people who have been in the
ICRT who are on the other sidenow.
And so my thought is as well,that there will be an ICRT on
the other side.

(01:09:12):
And that people involved withReiki and ICRT.
will actually be welcomed whenyou pass over and we'll have
things set up there.
There could even be a temple orschool that we, you know, you
could go to and things like thatand higher beings and all sorts
of things on the other side.
So we'll have a, you know, thisside and the other side kind of

(01:09:35):
working together.
And yeah,

Pamela (01:09:38):
amazing looking for the future.
And I know after this, you'regoing to lead us in a lovely
meditation, William, but lookingfor the future, what's your
vision for the next generationof Reiki practitioners and, and
is there anything you can sayabout how you see the energy and

(01:09:59):
the organization evolving?

William (01:10:04):
Well, I think one thing we would be doing is paying
attention to the way the worlditself is changing and what each
new generation is like as theycome into Reiki and be working
with that because there arecultural shifts that happen and

(01:10:24):
take place.
And like even our generation,you know, the adults, like we
didn't like them and you know,so they're, they're too old.
They don't know what they'redoing and they're trying to make
us like them.
We don't we want to bust out ofthat.
So yeah.
So just being open to that,that, you know, there are shifts
and open to changes.

(01:10:44):
Not so much, not away fromquality or organization, but
just, you know other shifts andchanges and that need, like,
gender, using gender friendlypronouns and stuff and that sort
of thing you know, whatever ishappening in that respect to be
going with that flow as well aslong as we retain the spiritual

(01:11:07):
focus and quality of our work.

Pamela (01:11:12):
I love that.
William, would you, could I askyou to lead us in just a brief
meditation today, just to helpus with our own personal
evolution?

William (01:11:23):
Yeah, I can do that.
So we're going to do ameditation.
This is the Holy Fire Reikimeditation.
So just make yourselfcomfortable.
Take a couple of deep breaths.
And close your eyes.
I'd like you to imagine it's avery beautiful day, a warm day,

(01:11:48):
not a wintry, cold day, but asummer day, a beautiful,
wonderful day.
And I'd like you to imagine thatyou're barefoot and you're
walking through a beautifulforest and take a moment just to
be aware of the plants andflowers and trees and bushes and
grass all around you.

(01:12:12):
Walking along, it feels veryfriendly here, very safe.
And as you walk through theforest, you notice, oh, there's
another path going off to theleft.
And you just wonder, well, gee,where does this path go?
And just imagine walking off tothe left, and then you see it
going uphill somewhat, and upahead, there's an open space.

(01:12:38):
A meadow.
You walk through the meadow, andat the end there, there's a
hill.
A small hill.
Just imagine walking up to thetop of the hill.
There's some soft grass.
It's a wonderful summer day.
Light breeze blowing.
Look around at the countryside.

(01:13:00):
Take a really deep breath.
Breathing all the beauty andpeacefulness here.
All the life.
And you notice, oh, there's somenice soft grass there.
It might be a nice place just tolay down and relax for a moment
and go ahead and lay down in thesoft grass.

(01:13:25):
You take another deep breath,and as you gaze overhead, you
realize, oh, there's a beautifulwhite puffy, puffy cloud, a
wonderful cloud overhead, andyou just take a moment to admire
it, beauty and peacefulness, andas you're watching the cloud,
the wind kind of swirls in themiddle, and oh, a beam of light

(01:13:49):
shines down through the cloud,shining down all around you now,
a wonderful light.
It feels warm and soothing,relaxing, yet so powerful it
feels like it's shining rightthrough you.
allowing you to relax verydeeply, letting go.

(01:14:11):
This light comes down from thehighest spiritual source.
It's filled with healing andlove, blessing, kindness.
And just imagine gazing up intothe light now.
And it feels like the light iscalling you and actually lifting
you up.
And imagine now rising up intothe light.

(01:14:33):
And the light begins to guideyou now, going ever higher and
higher.
Allow yourself to be guided bythe light.

(01:19:26):
And now begin taking a couple ofreally deep breaths.
And then slowly bring yourawareness to your eyes.
And when you feel ready, slowlyopen your eyes and return.

Pamela (01:20:00):
I always love meditations with you, William.
They go so deep.
And Thank you so much for takingthe time to be here with us
today.
Thank you for all of the effortand everything you, that you've
put into the ICRT that has madeit possible for so many of us to

(01:20:21):
receive quality Reiki trainingand, you know, to improve our
lives.
So thank you so much.

William (01:20:29):
Oh, you're welcome.

Pamela (01:20:30):
Yes.
Thanks for inviting me.
It's my pleasure.
And to all of you who arelistening, thank you for being
with us today.
Keep shining your light and keeplistening to your guidance and
following your path.
It will only lead you tobeautiful places.
Namaste.

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