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Pamela (00:07):
Hi, and welcome to the Reiki from the Farm Podcast,
brought to you by me, Pam AllenLoblaw from Hidden Brook Farm.
I am a scientist, abusinesswoman, and a licensed
Reiki master teacher with theInternational Center for Reiki.
each week in this podcast,you'll be entertained as you
learn about a wide variety ofrelevant Reiki topics helping
(00:30):
you become a more knowledgeableand effective Reiki
practitioner.
We caution you though thispodcast may also dramatically
improve your life.
And we are so happy that you'rehere.
(00:56):
Welcome everyone.
On this week's podcast, I'mtalking with Karen Keg about
Kaurna Reiki.
Welcome Karen.
Thank you for having me.
I'm excited to talk about thistopic because our students have
a lot of questions about KaurnaReiki, don't they?
Oh my goodness.
It's probably the most confusingthing about the classes that we
teach.
So it's gonna be really nice toHelp people understand what it
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is, what it can benefit, and letthem find out if this is for
them.
It's not for everybody, but forthose that do study Kaurna,
Reiki, they get a lot from it.
Yeah.
tell my students, I said, abouthalf of the students who take
Reiki one and two will sign upfor Reiki Master.
They feel called to go on, gofarther, and only about half of
those student.
Feel the call to come on toKaurna Reiki.
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Sometimes it's immediately, sixmonths later when they're
eligible for it.
And sometimes it's a coupleyears down the road for me it
was.
And but it's a special kind ofReiki so I talking about it.
Yeah, me too.
And maybe more people will mightpeak their interest cuz I'll
tell you what, it is gorgeousand lovely to have.
So before we begin though, Ijust wanna let people know what
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we have going on at the farm.
Of all I'm going to be teachingin Australia in March, both
online and in person.
If those time zones, if theAustralian time zone, I'll be
teaching in the Canberra timezone.
If that works for you, pleasejoin us.
I'll be teaching Level one andtwo and Masters, which would
qualify you to become aprofessional member of the Reiki
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Membership Association and alsoAnimal Reiki, level one and two.
And that should be a lot of fun.
I'll be teaching at my friendMary Merton.
Ryan's beautiful.
We often are rated on the deckand parrots and beautiful
animals join us.
It's lovely.
Then in April I have a fulllineup of classes, level one and
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two Master.
Animal Reiki, level one and twoand master.
And a little later on I've got aKaurna Reiki, an animal
communication class coming up.
Now, the animal communicationclass is evolving.
I'm hearing that there will besymbols soon.
I don't know if they'll bethere.
In time for this class, butcertainly there have been
(03:07):
attunements added and it'sbecome a lot more powerful as I
continue to feel into thisevolvement.
I'll keep you updated and I willalso try to create something,
some sort of an upgrade forpeople who've already studied it
with me because it really hasbecome quite advanced lately
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and.
Different energy a little bitmore to it.
I will be sharing that withpeople.
And in May I wanna let you knowthat I'll be in Silver Bay, New
York at the Northeast Reikiretreat, teaching animal Reiki
level one and two.
And then I'll also bepresenting.
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In mid May at the retreatitself.
So I will put a link in thepodcast to the retreat.
There are still spots if you'dlike to attend.
William Rand is also teachingthere.
Carolyn Musel and TracySullivan.
So would love to see you there.
And one last little announcementI quite, a lot of you have been
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telling me that you would.
To me to mentor you from abusiness standpoint.
And so what I'm going to do isit's, it may not be until the
fall, but I am going to becreating a business mentoring.
Course the strong guidance iscoming in from that.
(04:32):
I don't know what the timing is,but just keep an eye out for
that and keep an eye out for ournew website.
My daughter is a copywriter.
She's been helping me puttogether my new website.
It will be live very soon,including an online store where
you can order our essentialoils.
So even though it's winter andit seems quiet, it seems like
(04:53):
there's been an awful.
Happening.
Karen, you've got a lot goingon.
Do you wanna tell us a littlebit about that?
Yes I do have in March I do havetwo a Reiki one and two Reiki
master class coming up.
And then April, I'm taking offthe entire month because I'm
moving to.
And so I don't have any classesduring April, but I will pick up
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again in May with Animal Reikiclasses, June, and I'm gonna
alternate between animal Reikiclasses and regular Reiki
classes.
And I have a class coming up inAugust that I already have
people signing up for.
And I usually offer Karina acouple of, maybe three times a
year.
Yeah, me too.
So I have one coming up inAugust and then another one in
December.
So yeah, it's gonna be anexciting year.
(05:38):
I don't, people say, are yougoing to teach in person in
Ecuador?
And I'm like, maybe.
But probably it's going to be,I'm in the same time zone.
I'm just right on the equator SoI'm just moved from the Ozark
Mountains to the Andes Mountainsand so it, yeah, it'll be
different.
but pretty much the same.
That is, I'm so very excited foryou and Kaurna Reiki may have
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been one of the guiding forcesthat made this possible.
Maybe I love Kaurna Reiki.
People, my students ask me, Iguess we should just dive right
in.
What is Kaurna?
Reiki?
Do you wanna go ahead and jumpin and start talking about that?
Do you know what?
Why don't we go into aninvocation and while we do Oh
yeah.
You and I can use the distancesymbol and send Kaurna Reiki to
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the listeners so they can get afeel for it, because it's a very
different frequency andvibration than ysu Reiki, isn't
it?
Yes, it is.
It is.
To me it's, it seems, feelsmore, it feels more feminine.
Yeah.
To me.
And softer.
Yeah.
And yet incredibly powerful.
Yeah, let's do that.
I'm gonna just invite everybodylistening to close your eyes.
(06:43):
If you can bring your handstogether in Gassho and just take
a deep breath, just breathing inthe Reiki energy.
That surrounds you activatingyour symbols, and Karen and I
are gonna silently chant theKaurna Reiki symbols directing
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them to you through the distancesymbol.
And I'm just going to invite youto feel or and see what you
notice in your body.
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We'll begin with the firstsymbol, which is like a
spiritual anesthetic, and itjust is really powerful at
releasing all the way into thecellular level.
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And then we'll chant the secondsymbol, which brings deep
healing.
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And the third symbol that healsthe heart and relationships
among other things.
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The fourth symbol is powerfullygrounding, and if you have any
energies that need to releaseright now, you'll notice that
they release through the bottomsof your feet effortlessly,
thanks to the previous symbols.
And this one.
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And Karen, would you lead usthrough the next four, the next
one?
I like to use for clearing mymind, connecting with source for
creativity, connecting my higherself with my human self.
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And the next one I use a lot toconnect to.
My personal power is one of myfavorite symbols.
I love this one too.
Before I had animal Reiki, Iwould use this symbol to connect
to nature.
Into those interdimensionalbeings I find in nature.
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And the next one is for peace.
I'd like to use this one if I'mfeeling fearful about something
or panicked.
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If you're worried about thingsand you can't fall asleep.
It's good for manifesting.
Which have been using a lot,manifesting the best results.
It's also a good symbol forincreasing your clairvoyance and
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the final Karina symbol.
Is also deeply grounding andwith combined with the previous
symbol, it's powerful inmanifesting.
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I've used this one a lot tryingto prepare to move to another
country.
It's helped me ground.
Manifest what I need, prioritizewhat I need to be working on,
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and we'll end with Holy Fire.
Holy fire.
Holy fire.
We'll just invite the energy toenvelop us and assist us as we
listen to the rest of thepodcast, essentially giving the
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listeners, giving you a KaurnaReiki session.
Whenever you feel ready, Iinvite you to come back.
I hope everyone was able to feelthat.
It's very subtle, thedifferences between the
frequencies, but Oh, there's myother cat but it's kinda neat
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what it does.
I hope everybody could feel ittoo.
So yeah, let's start with whatis Kaurna Reiki and where does,
so what was that What was that Ijust experienced and where did
it come from?
Let's start with that, Karen.
Okay.
So Karina and maybe this ismaybe a place to address where
in the I C R T, we have atrademark after Kaurna Reiki,
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because the word kauna is just aSanskrit word that means
compassionate.
Action.
And the International Center forReiki training has not
trademarked the energy.
That would be ridiculous.
Nobody can do that.
The reason we have trademarkedthe name Kaurna Reiki is to
distinguish it from some of theother reikis that have there's,
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what is it?
Karina Key, but the word Karinajust means compassionate action.
And so this specific Reiki that.
Through.
It was developed by the I C R T,not just through William Rand,
but through many of his studentskept, they were getting these
symbols and they brought themand Lorrell, Shanti, Gaia.
(14:01):
This may be a good time to plugher book this the book on Kaurna
Reiki by Lorrell Shanti.
Gaia is a, is a.
A good little resource on whatis Kaurna?
Reiki and how she worked withit.
But she was instrumental inhelping bring these energies
forward and they worked withthese symbols and what is They
were I guess when thesefrequencies, when we're ready,
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when the.
When the student is ready, theteacher appears.
And I guess when we are readythe Reiki appears the energy to
help us along our evolution.
And I think, so this came out inthe nineties, this is when this
was coming through before Holyfire.
And they were working with thesesymbols like, wow, okay.
And then developed it into, inthe original, there were two
separate classes.
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There was Karina one and Karinatwo, and we still refer to the
first four symbols as Karina onesymbols and the second.
For as Karina two symbols, butwe teach the class as it's both
a practitioner and amasterclass.
So you become a Kaurna Reikipractitioner.
But also in that three day classyou learn how to teach Kaurna
Reiki, only Reiki masters fromany lineage, any sui lineage can
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take Reiki.
So we require a six month.
period between master and Kaurnabecause you need to work with
the energy at the master level.
And as I said earlier, onlyabout half of the people who
take master.
At least in my experience, Idunno, but would've, yeah, no,
the same with me.
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I only teach it about threetimes a year for the same
reason.
Like not as many people move onto Kauna, but it's a little bit
of a shame, isn't it?
And it is.
I will mention that just theevolvement.
of the energy.
That's another reason for thetrademark because a lot of
people were starting to, energyevolves and it, our Usui Reiki
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energy began evolving with Usuiand the evolvement continued
with Hayashi, with taca and withthe teachers that came after
them as well.
And.
One of the things that happened,like you said when we're ready,
the energy appears, the KaurnaReiki showed up, but it is such
a high.
Frequency of energy that itcontinued to evolve.
(16:12):
And so people started teachingvery different classes and
calling them Kaurna Reiki.
And some of the students weredisappointed because they wanted
the original Kaurna.
Reiki, not something different.
And so the trademark just allowsthat integrity to exist.
I don't know about you, Karen,but when I went to study Kaurna
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Reiki, I was guided to.
I was really, it is one of thesteps in becoming a licensed
teacher, but this was longbefore I was thinking of
becoming a licensed teacher.
I went to study Kaurna Reiki in2013, and I very specifically
remember thinking that the Reikimaster level, Had just healed so
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many things for me and broughtso much beauty into my life.
I, I really, I rememberspecifically, I was on my way
down to the class and getting inmy car.
I was, I drove 12 hours to gotake the class from William Rand
in 2013 in Glen's Falls, NewYork.
And I remember having thisspecific thought, life doesn't
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get any better than.
Because once I had my masters,my horses became attuned.
We were all doing Reiki all thetime.
I began teaching Reiki, eventhough that wasn't the reason
that I began teaching Reiki myfinancial issues sorted out
because so many people wantedthe classes and I really looked
around and said, life doesn'tget any better.
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But I was used to following myguidance or my calling, and my
calling was to go and studyKaurna Reiki.
And then life did get a wholelot better and I like better
than I thought was ever possibleand I went, oh, okay.
(18:03):
What was your experience in withKaurna?
Reiki?
Yeah, no, looking back as youwere talking, I thought, oh my
gosh, I just had this epiphany.
I thought, why did I take KaurnaReiki at the time I did.
And now I think I understand mymother had just been diagnosed
with cancer.
And I think to me this energy isvery mothering and very, Loving
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and very feminine nurturing,isn't it?
It's very nurturing.
Compassionate action.
And it just dawned on me that,oh, that's why, because I didn't
do my master until 2013, but Ididn't take Caron until 2016.
Okay.
And that is, it came in thenbecause I needed it.
I needed these symbols and thisenergy to sustain me through.
(18:50):
Being a caregiver for my motherand the transition that was
coming in 2017, and I didn'tknow that at the time, so thank
you for that epiphany, But thatmakes perfect sense.
Okay.
That's why I waited, I guess Iwasn't ready.
Yeah.
And when it, when I needed thisdeeper support or from these
higher frequencies, these verynurturing and compassionate
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action, duh.
I don't know how, I didn't seethis before.
What is a caregiver for somebodywho has cancer?
You have to come from a place ofcompassionate action, and my
mother didn't die until 2017.
But yeah, I, this Kaurna came, Idon't never put those things
together yet, but yeah, that'sexactly what happened.
(19:36):
So you may feel called to thisKaurna if you're listening to
this podcast and you'rethinking, huh, what is that
Kaurna?
It's, for me, I guess it's avery nurturing energy that helps
you fill up so that you can goand bring more compassion to the
world.
What do you love most about it,Karen, while you're, while
you're on that line.
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I, I love all the differentsymbols.
So at first when I took Karinaand when I got the book, it's
eight more symbols, and I waslike, holy moly, that's, that's
a lot.
And it was overwhelming, but youknow what, that's what I love
about it the most, is, holyfire, for example.
It feels like this glowinggolden light or this beautiful
mist sort of a feeling.
(20:20):
And each one of these symbols,and I don't know if you guys
could feel it as we werechanneling each one individually
at the beginning.
I'm so glad you were guided todo that, Pam.
But each one of those to me islike a beautiful, colorful
thread.
Like the.
The sessions become almost likeweaving a tapestry of healing,
and you get like you're the loomand you're channeling.
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This energy to the client, butthen it's ah, needs a little bit
of this comes in.
And then a little bit of thatcomes in.
And the other thing I love aboutKarina is we learned to chant
and tone, which I could talkabout forever.
Maybe we'll do that in a minute.
But from time.
And that, at first I felt weirdabout it.
Yeah.
None of nobody ever wants tochanter tone.
And my students like we dopractice sessions, like when I
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taught in person, I'd comearound and they'd.
Come on.
Can't hear you.
And that's one thing I likeabout the online Karina is I
have them just turn off theirsound for Zoom.
It's now just let it, let thatsound come through.
Activate Zno now I want you justto go like Z.
Just feel it.
That vibration of.
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Energy through your body and Ilet'em like mute themselves
because it, here's the coolthing though, when you do it as
a group over Zoom, it comes inlike in waves.
Yeah.
And it's just this amazingthing.
But when I do sessions either inperson or I just do distance
sessions now on the phone, theclients will say, if I chant and
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I'm just going with whatevercomes through, I'm chanting.
Yeah.
And it's weird.
It's like making like thesedifferent.
A colorful tapestry.
I don't know how else to explainit.
It's like a thread of this comesin a thread of that and is so
specific to what the clientneeds.
And I'm just of guided to whatcomes through.
And I feel like I'm just like,like in, it really does feel
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like a, like I'm the loom andthose are like the threads of
light coming in and you're justa light weaver in a, in a.
I love it.
And the clients say, I couldfeel when you were chanting, I
was like, and I'll say do youmind if I make some sacred
sounds?
Because you don't want'em tostartle'em off the table.
Ah.
But they'll say that I felt thatin my bones.
Like I could feel when p whenyou said with Rama this may
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cause some things to drop away,and when you're, as a current
practitioner chanting the energythrough, the sound waves of your
voice, so it's not just comingthrough the light waves of your
hands, it's coming through thesound waves of your voice, and
it just, whew.
Yeah.
It's transformative.
I love Kaurna Reiki.
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I do too.
And that was a long answer.
It's one of my favorite classesto teach.
Whenever I teach Kaurna Reiki,it just, it's so uplifting for
the students, for me, for.
Everybody involved, but I thinkthe thing that I love about it
the most is the additionalhealing frequencies.
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And I noticed that there werecertain things that, things like
sexual abuse and child abuse andthings like that, that with Usui
Reiki, even at the master level,I was working and working with
some wonderful people trying toheal and help them heal some of
these issues and.
The progress was very slow if itwas there at all, and then
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Kaurna Reiki came in and justpow it, it was so powerful.
I had one client explain, when Ifirst came back I contacted all
the people I had taught at themaster level and said, Hey, I've
got this new frequency and Ineed to learn more about it.
Would you like a free session?
And they traveled from all overto come for their sessions and
(23:58):
shared with me, what theyexperienced.
And I remember one client sayingit felt like she could feel
things popping off of her bodylike popcorn.
From that first symbol.
And I won't say the name, butFrom that first symbol.
And so it just, it was amazing.
But the other thing that Inoticed was my own life.
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I thought things had gottenreally beautiful and really
effortless when I became a Reikimaster, but Kaurna, Reiki took
that to another level.
I can remember thinking, wow, Ididn't realize life could get.
As effortless and as beautifulas this as it did with Kaurna
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Reiki.
So I love Karina.
Yeah, it does.
It goes deep.
So yes, some of the symbols whelp you work on the shadow
cell.
yeah, a lot of.
It was the Kaurna, because Ididn't have Holy fire helped a
lot with the remnants stuff, itjust, yes, you heal in layers.
We've probably said this amillion times on this podcast,
but but it was the Kaurna Reikithat first went deep into the
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childhood, sexual abuse andsexual assault and this list of
things, to start releasing that.
And then yeah, it takes you, ithelps.
Makes it easier.
Yeah, I, and I've talked withKaren Harrison.
She says, she works with theHoly Fire a lot.
She's a a family therapist andthe counselor, and she said
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Reiki can do so much.
It goes so deep, so fast, andit's so much faster than, six
months of talk therapy.
That's what she's mentioned thaton my podcast too, that, yeah,
she's found that it can really,and they're, I find they're
beautiful to use together.
But yeah, she has mentioned thatit just goes so deep and is so
effective.
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And one of the symbols withKaurna Reiki, is a spiritual
anesthetic.
And so what I love about that isnot only does it go incredibly
deep and loosen up things thatmight even be ingrained at the
cellular level, but it also Canwhere was I going with that,
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Karen?
I just lost my tongue.
Uh, That it's oh, the spiritualanesthetic.
You don't necess have to feel itall that you don't have to feel
it.
So you can release reallypainful, difficult things
without necessarily feeling it.
And one of the lovely thingsabout a session with this, is,
you don't even have to tell uswhat you're working on.
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you can just, we can just knowthat you're working on something
personal for you, somethingdeeply personal, and you don't
have to talk about it.
And we can still use thesesymbols to effortlessly help you
release that.
And I love that.
I love that my clients can feel.
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you know that they don't have toshare some of the things that
are deeply traumatic for them,and they don't, also don't have
to experience them again.
You don't have to pull it up andlook at it again and feel all
that blah.
Yeah.
And sometimes you feel littlebut not a, and a lot of times
people cry and sometimes they'llsay, I don't even know why I'm
crying.
And I'll say, you're justreleasing old stuff.
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Just let it.
And you don't have to tell mewhat it is.
You don't even have to know whatit is you exactly.
Just be when you're willing tolet it go, when and maybe it's
your higher self that's, that'sokay, it's time to let this go.
You've learned this lesson,you've whatever, and it's time
and you just let it go.
And it frequently is accompaniedby crying or Yeah.
Sometimes, but yeah, I love thatabout Karen.
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One of the things I noticed withKarina is that my self sessions
got a lot more subtle and.
So much so that I wasn't evenalways sure there was something
happening.
And so one of the things that Idid was I asked the energy, Hey,
can you give me a sign or someway to know that energies are
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releasing?
Because it did, it got morepowerful.
I think I could tell for myclients, but for my self
sessions, I wasn't sure, and solittle tears just leak outta my
eyes.
That's how I know.
That things are moving and do Ineed to know what they are?
I absolutely don't.
There's even a symbol that helpsus move into past lives and,
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release things that we may notbe aware of that might still be
encoded in our D n a Yeah.
Or be still impacting us.
So ancestral trauma, when yousaid that, so when Pam said
earlier.
things that are coded in your,at a cellular level, that it can
release things at a cellularlevel.
What she's talking about reallyis the epigenetics, the, which
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psychologists are looking at itsaying, oh, this is like
ancestral trauma that's it'sflipped epigenetic markers on or
off.
And so it's healing that stuff.
Yeah.
You know that passes down.
Yeah, go ahead.
Sorry.
Sorry, Kira.
No.
I just, I'm fascinated by thishas been my obsession of late
but really the, I think theKaurna Reiki started with that,
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that we're, that there'sdifferent kinds of ancestral
trauma sometimes.
There was a study that they didduring the a famine in a
Holland, the Dutch famine, andit was people, generations later
that had an obesity.
The obesity gene flipped onbecause of this famine.
I mean there's that kind ofscience, so it can heal those
sorts of things.
But then also just emotionalthings we would talk about
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ancestral trauma could be so inthe United States, I'm in the
United States, it could be theAfrican American population, you
know that trauma that theirancestors experience are our
Native American wellers too inCanada?
Yeah.
Native American populations.
I'm about to move to Ecuador.
They have like Spanishcolonialism.
It's, we all have ancestraltrauma.
Yeah.
You know that kind of stuff as,and that changes our cellular
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makeup.
That trauma affects it.
And then it's passed downthrough the generations, so it
releases that kind of.
Flips those markers back off orback on be right.
chairs better.
So I find that fascinating.
I, yeah.
You're a scientist, so Yeah, ofcourse I do.
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But I, and I wish I couldunderstand it with my mind, but
but it's beyond.
When you were talking earlierabout even like Karina, like
calling this Kaurna Reiki orcalling it this, we're trying to
put a name on an energy that isboundless, and it's difficult to
speaking to talk aboutsometimes.
Yeah.
And speaking of Boundless, I wasspeaking with Colleen Benelli
(30:28):
and she said that she received amessage with William at one
point.
The cab has been lifted fromwhat is possible with Kaurna
Reiki, and so that essentiallytells us that this.
Frequency of energy meansnothing is impossible.
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Everything is possible.
And as a matter of fact, one ofthe things, and I'll put a link
to this article in our podcastnotes, one of the things we
noticed.
Through Kaurna Reiki is thatduring sessions, several L RMTs,
licensed Reiki master teacherswith the I C R T began to notice
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that new energies were cominginto our sessions, very specific
energies, and we realized thesewere the lights and the lights.
Something that Kaurna Reikibrought in and made possible for
us.
And I know in my own session Iwas working with someone and the
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light of self-love came in andit showed that, many people
disconnected with self-lovearound 10 or 12 years old, just
from social conditioning andsome of the cultural messages.
That we receive that, your bodyshould look like this.
Your nose should look like that,and your hair should be this
color and that style and so on.
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And around the same time Iremember I said, but it looked
very different from any of thefrequencies I'd seen before.
And at the same time, Colleen.
Benelli noticed the light ofbeauty was coming into her
sessions.
Karen Harrison noticed the lightof forgiveness was coming into
her sessions.
And I think Kathy Menosky had Iforget what one, maybe
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compassion, or maybe that wasJill Teal.
And so several and Jay Jacksonhad the light of truth come in.
And so we noticed that basicallyfor every energy.
That we need.
You can have the light of onetime I had the light of career
attainment come in for somebodyand.
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for every condition that youneed to create, there is a light
available.
And it's been just theheightened frequencies of Kaurna
Reiki that have made thispossible.
And I wanna just talk for aminute about when I say
heightened frequencies, and itdoesn't mean that.
There is any one type of Reikithat's better than another.
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What it means is they build oneach other.
So you know, you sui Reiki atthe level one and two, it builds
so that you can go to the masterlevel.
After you're at the master levelfor a while and that
relationship is developed, youcan add Kaurna.
And that builds, and there's asynergy when these energies come
together.
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And the same when we add animalReiki that builds.
And so it's just broadening thespectrum of what we can access
and what's available.
And for me personally, I justreally.
At that point I was aprofessional Reiki master.
I was seeing clients, and evenif I hadn't been, I wouldn't, I
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would've gone to study KaurnaReiki, but because I was called
to it, but.
I just thought, I wanna haveeverything possible in my
toolkit, to work with my friendsand family and clients with
Reiki, and that was a big, whatwas the reason I know you
realize now that it had to dowith your mom, but was there a
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specific reason that you went tostudy Kaurna?
When.
Aside from that?
Or was that I just follow mynudges.
So like, why are you moving toEcuador?
I don't know, because my godstold me to But no, not a
specific reason.
More I, except that I think Iwas ready.
I was ready for more.
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And maybe that's why some peopleare like, they just they're just
hungry for it.
They've been maybe on thejourney longer than I was.
I didn't start my Reiki journeytill I was 49.
but, and I needed, and I had toheal a little bit, it's like
some of the heavy stuff had todrop off before I went.
Okay.
I guess it's coming out of achrysalis.
You have to shake off this muchbefore you go.
Your wings come out and you go,okay, I'm ready for to expand my
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wings a little more now.
And that's how it felt.
And I don't, I think, as youwere talking about the, it's not
a higher, like a betterfrequency or anything, but it's
I'm fascinated by cymatics.
I mentioned to you earlier, Pam,that the science of.
and you probably guys, if you'veseen, maybe go on YouTube and
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just type in C Y M A T I C s,cymatics is this science of
sound.
And when you probably will seelike some metal plates and they
put sand on it and then theyattach that to a speaker, and
then they play, they change thefrequency, so they'll go woo.
And it, it creates sacredgeometry and the lower
frequencies create less complexpattern.
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and as the frequency, as theyturn it up and then the
frequency goes higher, thegeometric patterns get more
complex.
I think it doesn't mean that thelower frequencies aren't as good
as the higher frequencies.
They're just not as complex.
And I think that Kaurna, Reikimaster, as we're going through
this, I think it we're justturning up the frequency and so
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you get when that, I'm a veryvisual learner.
When it's a high frequency, youhave a lot of different lines in
those geometric patterns.
Just like you get more symbolsin the carina, just like these
other lights start coming in.
That's what I was thinking.
These other lights, thefrequency is as you are
vibrating higher because you,you are the channel of this
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energy and so yeah, you arechanneling like higher
frequency.
And when you can maintain likethis, like All right, gimme some
more, you can go a.
hold more, a higher frequency.
And then I think that's whenthe, you start getting more
lines.
Yeah.
Am I making any sense?
You are, to me.
I really like that visualactually, Karen, but I think
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maybe that's what the lightsare.
Maybe that's why you've gotthese other symbols that came in
with the Kaurna like eightbecause it, like I said at the
beginning, it's like I hatesymbols, but they're really easy
to learn and they're very Yeah,it is, aren't they?
And they're really specific.
So you can really tailor.
your healing.
You can find, okay, I'm gonna goback to the tuning thing.
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You can fine tune your healingsession.
Yeah.
It's not just holy or the othernames, it's not just like the
suey master symbol or it's notjust this one.
And you do, you have the powersymbol, the mental, emotional,
the distance symbol.
I You have all these otherfrequencies there.
Now you're holding thosefrequencies.
It's more, gimme more.
So here's some eight more.
And then when you work withthose for a while, maybe that's
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why the lights are coming in,Pam, I think so you're already
holding this many and thenhigher.
It's always there.
You're just, it's up here andwe're down on this lower
frequency and you have to riseup to it and then you, maybe
that's what William meant, theHeki, the cap's.
The caps off and I think whatthat means is anything is
possible.
Before my husband studied KaurnaReiki with me, he was confused.
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And I get this question a lot.
I wonder if you do too, Karen.
He said, I'm already a Reikimaster.
Why would I take Kauna?
And this was the beginning ofCovid.
We were just teaching, it was myfirst online class, my first
solo online class, I had justbecome licensed.
Or maybe even, it was, I thinkit might have been my last class
I needed to teach to becomelicensed at the Kaurna Reiki
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master level.
And I said, you don't have to,but some people are guided to.
And he said I'm gonna be homeanyway cuz we were all, maybe I
might as well take it.
And you know what's really funnyis it's his favorite.
He identifies with it.
He says he even identifies withit more than he identifies with
yasui.
And we'll talk about chantingand toning next because he said
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if you had told me a couple ofmonths ago, or a couple a year
ago that I would be blockingthrough the woods chanting and
toning symbols.
To trees I and the forest.
I would've said You were crazy.
There was no way that was gonnahappen.
But we do that almost every day.
We love using our voice with thesymbols, and that's one of the
techniques, chanting and toningthat we learn with Kaurna Reiki.
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And I know you love to talkabout that, so I'm gonna pass
that over to you, I do.
If anybody's watched me on yourpodcast, I like to talk, I like
to make sounds.
but some people don't.
And when I was a child, nobodybelieves this, but I was
terribly shy.
I had no self-esteem.
I was very shy too.
Yeah, just I had long hair thatI could sit on and if I looked
down, it would just completelycover my face and like I didn't
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exist and don't look at me, but.
So I have students like thatsometimes they're like, I don't
wanna make sounds.
I'm an introvert, I don't wannamake sounds.
When I first learned this, Isaid, I'm not using that
technique.
No way.
People are gonna think I'mcrazy.
I use that technique in everysession now, every I do too.
And it's usually their favoritepart.
Because it really, we are in aphysical body and, we're healing
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things that are sometimes outhere in the mental emotional, sp
out in the energetic body, but,Sound, sound, it penetrates like
all the energy bodies and thenyou feel it even in your
physical body, the sa So there'sthat aspect when I am chanting.
Okay, so first of all, chantingis usually faster.
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I chant a lot of times I'mimbuing the energy field with
the energy of those particularsymbols.
And it's.
So I chant out loud.
So Pam, you're not saying thenames of the symbols?
No, but okay.
Okay.
I could say holy fire probably,right?
Yeah.
So I could say so if I chantedholy fire, it would just be my
different I the rhythm of it andeverything, maybe I'm giving it
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in a session and I'm feeling,holy fire.
Maybe I'm.
Holy fire.
Holy fire.
Holy fire.
Holy fire.
Holy fire.
Maybe I'm feeling like that thatit's coming through, but that's
changing.
You feel a great big holy fire.
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
And some people think like it'sOh, I can't sing.
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It's that's all right.
In fact, sometimes, and I cancarry a tune, but sometimes I'm
chanting and it comes out holyfire.
It'll just go and I'm like, whatwas that?
But it goes to the somethingthat people need.
It goes, so it's not about beingpretty or anything like that.
It's just, and it is part ofIt's about being effective.
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It's about being effective,right?
So you're not performing like,nobody cares about that.
You're just you're, you are,you're giving another dimension.
This energy, to me is veryinterdimensional also, when I am
making sound letting that energycome through and manifest
through sound waves, it takes ona whole other, seriously, a
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dimens.
to the healing frequently.
I feel like I'm in some sort ofa sound healing temple.
Wow.
I had, I don't think I've saidthat out loud anywhere, I feel
like I'm not in the roomanymore.
I don't know how to explain it.
I f I feel more interdimensionaland it has something to do with
it.
That shift that happens, liketheir body, my body, the energy.
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It's just.
Oh, I guess I just become, thatmust be what quantum, what it
feels like to be quantum Yeah,oh, I'm just vibrating.
Everything is vibrating.
I become distinctly aware thateverything is a vibration when
I'm chanting, or Tony, and maybethat's why chanting is part of
so many religious traditions.
Even Christianity had theGregorian chance or Yeah.
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Chanting and Buddhism, Hinduism,the hymns, even the hymns and
the songs.
The hymns and psalms.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's something to the, tothat, and I encourage my
students to like, just let arip, just do it.
Let that sound come through you.
You are not performing.
You are letting.
the energy come through you andmanifest as that sound.
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And then toning.
So chanting will put it more inthe room evenly.
Like in the energy room, in theroom around the client.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then toning.
I'll use when it's really goodto Ooh, it's like a laser beam.
It will just like woo and justvibrate.
In two pieces and with toningwe're specific.
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Like we place it, if there's aspecific image we're aware of on
our client's body or in theiraura we direct it to that and
yeah.
Yeah.
And it's just we know howpowerful sound is.
Yeah.
God loves the American militaryhas weaponized it.
We know how powerful it is.
Okay.
You.
No, it is, it's, I don't know ifyou know that, you know the
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American military?
No.
Yeah.
They take like big, horrible,like hard rock music and it's
just really loud and just blastit.
Cause it drives people nuts.
Yeah.
It would drive me nuts.
I like quiet.
Yeah.
Or people can go, oh, particularnote, break glass.
And we know the sound canlevitate things.
We're beginning to really.
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the power of sound.
And so that, that's one thing Ilove about the Kaurna class is,
it's only three days and we onlyget, maybe a good day of
practicing with the chanting.
Yeah.
But from, for many students,they haven't heard of cymatics,
they haven't even considered it,they haven't thought about it.
Gives another dimension.
There's that word again, tohealing like, huh.
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And I think that's what taking aKaurna class is about.
You're a Reiki master and maybethat's great.
but then you work with theenergy, oh, I froze again.
you work with the energy alittle bit and then you think, I
think there's more.
I'm ready for more.
And that more is Karina, becausethat's gonna go, ah, I can do
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even more with this.
I agree.
And let's talk about who, ifKaurna Reiki can be learned by
anyone.
Do you need prior Reikiexperience?
So yes, you do have to have amasterclass, a sui masterclass
before taking kauna.
But you can take Kaurna Reikifrom any lineage, and some
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people find that's an expedientway to get holy.
And so some people will come tomy Kaurna Reiki class from
another lineage and say they'dlike to learn holy fire, and
they might as well learn kaunaat the same time.
It is a big shift, but it doesseem to work really well for
people.
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And of course, if you're alreadya holy fire, Yesi Holy Fire
Reiki master for at least sixmonths.
You can then move on and that's,you do need to be at the teacher
level though, the master teacherlevel with Yasui from any
lineage.
And then you can move on toKauna.
Do you have anything else to addthere, Karen?
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No, that's and I tell, oh, infact, My favorite students from
the uk, he was drawn to Kaunaand he was drawn to holy fire at
the same time.
And of course, I'm always allabout saving money, so I'm like
you could take Holy Fire, Kauna,and you would be attuned to both
and you can then teach.
And you can teach all of yourclasses is fully fire.
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And I, I used to think that too,and I, but I've noticed that
some of my teacher or mystudents say, yeah, I think I'm
ready for that acceleratedlearning.
And others say, no, I think I'dlike to take it slower.
He did.
So that's, that was myrecommendation.
I said, you could do this,because he had been a Reiki
master teacher for 20 years.
And I said, I think you would befine doing this.
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But you know what he said?
No.
Oh, this is my terrible Britishaccent.
No.
See, cause I'm going to teachHoly Fire, so I'm gonna go back.
I'm gonna take the Holy FireMaster Fest.
A lot of people that do takeKauna, they wind up going back
and taking, that's what he didmaster anyway.
Yeah.
So usually I'll say look, goahead and take the master Holy
Fire Master, and then theKaurna, and we talk a little
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about the Holy fire again in theKaurna Master, just because they
could be coming from otherlineages.
And so for students who have hadHoly Fire Master already, it
gives them, I frequently talkabout that spiral of learning.
You've already learned this, butnow you're going through it
again from a higher perspectiveand you go, oh yeah, I hadn't, I
didn't catch that first timearound.
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Or, you have a differentperspective on it.
It's a really nice review, isn'tit?
Yeah.
What do you think some of thebenefits are of being a Holy
Fire Kaurna Reiki practitioner?
you can offer your clientsfaster, deeper healing.
Yeah.
That's all I can say.
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Faster, deeper, healingyourself, because it's very
specific.
Yeah.
You're now carrying eight morefrequencies around in your
energy field that you canchannel into your session.
Yeah.
As needed, depending on theclient.
and it shifts your awareness.
I think it made me moreeffective also.
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But Pam said, you don't have tobe aware of everything that the
client's going through.
It made me more effectivebecause I just, I'm more
sensitive to energy and I thinkthe more energy you're attuned
to the more sensitive you are.
and I found that it just like I,I'm gonna mention again, it
brought an effortlessness intomy life.
So there was a lot of personalhealing that happened with
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Karina that I don't even think Iwas aware I needed.
And it just it just, Reallyhelped with my spiritual growth.
Like really helped with myspiritual growth.
Yeah.
Would you say the same thing,Karen?
Yeah, me too.
I'm gonna go back to that.
That butterfly and the chrysalissort of thing.
It, the master breaks you outtathat chrysalis, but that Kuna
really helps you spread yourwings out and dry'em so you can
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fly.
I like that.
I really like that analogy.
Karen, I don't know, is thereanything else that we need to
let people know about Kauna?
I, we could mention She is oneof the ascended masters who is
sometimes associated with KaurnaReiki.
If you already have KaurnaReiki, there's a wonderful
exercise that Lorrell ShantiGaia suggests in her book on
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Kaurna Reiki, which is to justSpend a week with each symbol
and get to know it better.
I really love that exercise andI encourage a lot of my students
to do it.
And the other thing maybe that Iwould mention is how lovely the
classes are.
My husband would always comehome and after teaching level
one or two or masters there.
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They're wonderful days, but youcould be a little tired by the
end of the day and afterteaching Kaurna Reiki I'm just
usually, buoyant and energized,and he says, he noticed it.
He remarked on it and he said, Ithink it's because you're
teaching experts.
But I noticed that the studentsare that way too.
Like the students really bondwith each other and they seem to
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connect at a much higher level.
Again.
And so are there any things likethat, that you notice about it?
Yeah, I think especially, yeah,the bonding that takes place
between the students in theclasses.
I think.
Maybe it's almost like a meetup.
I dunno.
I wonder sometimes I've had thisthought in particular classes
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did we just all agree before wecame into this life?
Okay, we're gonna meet up atthis Kaurna where Karina class?
Yeah.
What date?
Yeah.
What date?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The people get along.
The healing is so beautiful andeffortless.
It's, yeah, it's just anincredible class to teach, isn't
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it?
And I in a couple of classes andI, it's usually the Kaurna and
this sounds weird to talk about,but I won't go ahead anyway.
Cuz this is, come to Pam'spodcast to talk about weird
things.
We were this one specific Kaurnaclass.
There were so many, or.
That were flying.
And it wasn't just here, but itwas distracting, cause I'd be
talking about something and thislittle ball of light would go,
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ping and the stairs would go,oh, there went another one.
And then sometimes I'd see'emaround them too.
I don't, I still don't knowexactly.
what that was.
But it, but I haven't noted, cuzthat's the, probably the
academician in me.
I'm like isn't that interestingthat happens during this time
and the other time?
But it seems like it happensmore in Kaurna class.
I don't know what that isexactly.
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This, there is something,there's an elevation that really
occurs with coronary.
It's more inter, I just wannasay it's more interdimensional.
There's somethinginterdimensional about.
Yeah, it's a lovely energy.
So if you've been giving it anythought hopefully this podcast
just might illuminate you clearup some things about it so that
you can really consider whetheror not it is for you.
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But I know we both have someKaurna classes coming up.
Karen yours is up to, and wehave both have a.
We both have a complimentarysession.
I think, questions.
If you hear this podcast and youhave questions about a Karina
class, you can schedule acomplimentary session to chat
with us about.
A A quick Tell me this aboutKuna, do you think it would help
with that?
What do you think this is?
And Yes.
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Yeah, absolutely.
Or posting the comments, if thisis on YouTube or, definitely,
yeah.
And so Karen, I don't know.
I didn't actually have anythingprepared to, for a meditation, I
think that we did it to at thebeginning.
I thought that was, yeah, Ithought that was really
interesting.
So hopefully you all could feelthat Karina energy that we were
sending through the invocation.
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Because even chanting and toningsilently actually yeah, you'll
feel it just as powerfully aswith, a loud voice.
Let's just end with just you andI, just without saying the
symbols names, let's just chantand tone for another few minutes
so that the listeners can go outwith a nice, beautiful burst of
Kaurna, Reiki and Maybe they canjust give some thought as to
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whether this is for them.
I know one of the things thatI've done for my masterclass is
I provide four monthly paymentsso that it makes it a little
easier, but I will mention that.
When you are supposed to do aclass, as soon as you decide to
do it, the finances, theteacher, the timing, it usually
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all lines up.
Yep.
Go ahead and give that somethought if you feel Karina is
something you'd like to add toyour toolkit and if it's right
for you.
So let's just bring our hands inGassho again, and Karen and I
are just gonna silently chantand tone the symbols to you.
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And we'd just like to take amoment to thank you for joining
us here today, and we hope youhave enjoyed this burst of
Kaurna Reiki energy.
that we shared.
If you'd like to learn more, byall means reach out.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me, Pam.
Thank you for being here, Karen.
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I.
Hi, and welcome to the Reiki from the Farm Podcast,
brought to you by me, Pam AllenLoblaw from Hidden Brook Farm.
I am a scientist, abusinesswoman, and a licensed
Reiki master teacher with theInternational Center for Reiki.
each week in this podcast,you'll be entertained as you
learn about a wide variety ofrelevant Reiki topics helping
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you become a more knowledgeableand effective Reiki
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We caution you though thispodcast may also dramatically
improve your life.
And we are so happy that you'rehere.
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Welcome everyone.
On this week's podcast, I'mtalking with Karen Keg about
Kaurna Reiki.
Welcome Karen.
Thank you for having me.
I'm excited to talk about thistopic because our students have
a lot of questions about KaurnaReiki, don't they?
Oh my goodness.
It's probably the most confusingthing about the classes that we
teach.
So it's gonna be really nice toHelp people understand what it
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is, what it can benefit, and letthem find out if this is for
them.
It's not for everybody, but forthose that do study Kaurna,
Reiki, they get a lot from it.
Yeah.
tell my students, I said, abouthalf of the students who take
Reiki one and two will sign upfor Reiki Master.
They feel called to go on, gofarther, and only about half of
those student.
Feel the call to come on toKaurna Reiki.
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Sometimes it's immediately, sixmonths later when they're
eligible for it.
And sometimes it's a coupleyears down the road for me it
was.
And but it's a special kind ofReiki so I talking about it.
Yeah, me too.
And maybe more people will mightpeak their interest cuz I'll
tell you what, it is gorgeousand lovely to have.
So before we begin though, Ijust wanna let people know what
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we have going on at the farm.
Of all I'm going to be teachingin Australia in March, both
online and in person.
If those time zones, if theAustralian time zone, I'll be
teaching in the Canberra timezone.
If that works for you, pleasejoin us.
I'll be teaching Level one andtwo and Masters, which would
qualify you to become aprofessional member of the Reiki
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Membership Association and alsoAnimal Reiki, level one and two.
And that should be a lot of fun.
I'll be teaching at my friendMary Merton.
Ryan's beautiful.
We often are rated on the deckand parrots and beautiful
animals join us.
It's lovely.
Then in April I have a fulllineup of classes, level one and
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two Master.
Animal Reiki, level one and twoand master.
And a little later on I've got aKaurna Reiki, an animal
communication class coming up.
Now, the animal communicationclass is evolving.
I'm hearing that there will besymbols soon.
I don't know if they'll bethere.
In time for this class, butcertainly there have been
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attunements added and it'sbecome a lot more powerful as I
continue to feel into thisevolvement.
I'll keep you updated and I willalso try to create something,
some sort of an upgrade forpeople who've already studied it
with me because it really hasbecome quite advanced lately
(03:29):
and.
Different energy a little bitmore to it.
I will be sharing that withpeople.
And in May I wanna let you knowthat I'll be in Silver Bay, New
York at the Northeast Reikiretreat, teaching animal Reiki
level one and two.
And then I'll also bepresenting.
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In mid May at the retreatitself.
So I will put a link in thepodcast to the retreat.
There are still spots if you'dlike to attend.
William Rand is also teachingthere.
Carolyn Musel and TracySullivan.
So would love to see you there.
And one last little announcementI quite, a lot of you have been
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telling me that you would.
To me to mentor you from abusiness standpoint.
And so what I'm going to do isit's, it may not be until the
fall, but I am going to becreating a business mentoring.
Course the strong guidance iscoming in from that.
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I don't know what the timing is,but just keep an eye out for
that and keep an eye out for ournew website.
My daughter is a copywriter.
She's been helping me puttogether my new website.
It will be live very soon,including an online store where
you can order our essentialoils.
So even though it's winter andit seems quiet, it seems like
(04:53):
there's been an awful.
Happening.
Karen, you've got a lot goingon.
Do you wanna tell us a littlebit about that?
Yes I do have in March I do havetwo a Reiki one and two Reiki
master class coming up.
And then April, I'm taking offthe entire month because I'm
moving to.
And so I don't have any classesduring April, but I will pick up
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again in May with Animal Reikiclasses, June, and I'm gonna
alternate between animal Reikiclasses and regular Reiki
classes.
And I have a class coming up inAugust that I already have
people signing up for.
And I usually offer Karina acouple of, maybe three times a
year.
Yeah, me too.
So I have one coming up inAugust and then another one in
December.
So yeah, it's gonna be anexciting year.
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I don't, people say, are yougoing to teach in person in
Ecuador?
And I'm like, maybe.
But probably it's going to be,I'm in the same time zone.
I'm just right on the equator SoI'm just moved from the Ozark
Mountains to the Andes Mountainsand so it, yeah, it'll be
different.
but pretty much the same.
That is, I'm so very excited foryou and Kaurna Reiki may have
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been one of the guiding forcesthat made this possible.
Maybe I love Kaurna Reiki.
People, my students ask me, Iguess we should just dive right
in.
What is Kaurna?
Reiki?
Do you wanna go ahead and jumpin and start talking about that?
Do you know what?
Why don't we go into aninvocation and while we do Oh
yeah.
You and I can use the distancesymbol and send Kaurna Reiki to
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the listeners so they can get afeel for it, because it's a very
different frequency andvibration than ysu Reiki, isn't
it?
Yes, it is.
It is.
To me it's, it seems, feelsmore, it feels more feminine.
Yeah.
To me.
And softer.
Yeah.
And yet incredibly powerful.
Yeah, let's do that.
I'm gonna just invite everybodylistening to close your eyes.
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If you can bring your handstogether in Gassho and just take
a deep breath, just breathing inthe Reiki energy.
That surrounds you activatingyour symbols, and Karen and I
are gonna silently chant theKaurna Reiki symbols directing
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them to you through the distancesymbol.
And I'm just going to invite youto feel or and see what you
notice in your body.
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We'll begin with the firstsymbol, which is like a
spiritual anesthetic, and itjust is really powerful at
releasing all the way into thecellular level.
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And then we'll chant the secondsymbol, which brings deep
healing.
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And the third symbol that healsthe heart and relationships
among other things.
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The fourth symbol is powerfullygrounding, and if you have any
energies that need to releaseright now, you'll notice that
they release through the bottomsof your feet effortlessly,
thanks to the previous symbols.
And this one.
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And Karen, would you lead usthrough the next four, the next
one?
I like to use for clearing mymind, connecting with source for
creativity, connecting my higherself with my human self.
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And the next one I use a lot toconnect to.
My personal power is one of myfavorite symbols.
I love this one too.
Before I had animal Reiki, Iwould use this symbol to connect
to nature.
Into those interdimensionalbeings I find in nature.
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And the next one is for peace.
I'd like to use this one if I'mfeeling fearful about something
or panicked.
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If you're worried about thingsand you can't fall asleep.
It's good for manifesting.
Which have been using a lot,manifesting the best results.
It's also a good symbol forincreasing your clairvoyance and
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the final Karina symbol.
Is also deeply grounding andwith combined with the previous
symbol, it's powerful inmanifesting.
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I've used this one a lot tryingto prepare to move to another
country.
It's helped me ground.
Manifest what I need, prioritizewhat I need to be working on,
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and we'll end with Holy Fire.
Holy fire.
Holy fire.
We'll just invite the energy toenvelop us and assist us as we
listen to the rest of thepodcast, essentially giving the
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listeners, giving you a KaurnaReiki session.
Whenever you feel ready, Iinvite you to come back.
I hope everyone was able to feelthat.
It's very subtle, thedifferences between the
frequencies, but Oh, there's myother cat but it's kinda neat
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what it does.
I hope everybody could feel ittoo.
So yeah, let's start with whatis Kaurna Reiki and where does,
so what was that What was that Ijust experienced and where did
it come from?
Let's start with that, Karen.
Okay.
So Karina and maybe this ismaybe a place to address where
in the I C R T, we have atrademark after Kaurna Reiki,
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because the word kauna is just aSanskrit word that means
compassionate.
Action.
And the International Center forReiki training has not
trademarked the energy.
That would be ridiculous.
Nobody can do that.
The reason we have trademarkedthe name Kaurna Reiki is to
distinguish it from some of theother reikis that have there's,
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what is it?
Karina Key, but the word Karinajust means compassionate action.
And so this specific Reiki that.
Through.
It was developed by the I C R T,not just through William Rand,
but through many of his studentskept, they were getting these
symbols and they brought themand Lorrell, Shanti, Gaia.
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This may be a good time to plugher book this the book on Kaurna
Reiki by Lorrell Shanti.
Gaia is a, is a.
A good little resource on whatis Kaurna?
Reiki and how she worked withit.
But she was instrumental inhelping bring these energies
forward and they worked withthese symbols and what is They
were I guess when thesefrequencies, when we're ready,
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when the.
When the student is ready, theteacher appears.
And I guess when we are readythe Reiki appears the energy to
help us along our evolution.
And I think, so this came out inthe nineties, this is when this
was coming through before Holyfire.
And they were working with thesesymbols like, wow, okay.
And then developed it into, inthe original, there were two
separate classes.
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There was Karina one and Karinatwo, and we still refer to the
first four symbols as Karina onesymbols and the second.
For as Karina two symbols, butwe teach the class as it's both
a practitioner and amasterclass.
So you become a Kaurna Reikipractitioner.
But also in that three day classyou learn how to teach Kaurna
Reiki, only Reiki masters fromany lineage, any sui lineage can
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take Reiki.
So we require a six month.
period between master and Kaurnabecause you need to work with
the energy at the master level.
And as I said earlier, onlyabout half of the people who
take master.
At least in my experience, Idunno, but would've, yeah, no,
the same with me.
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I only teach it about threetimes a year for the same
reason.
Like not as many people move onto Kauna, but it's a little bit
of a shame, isn't it?
And it is.
I will mention that just theevolvement.
of the energy.
That's another reason for thetrademark because a lot of
people were starting to, energyevolves and it, our Usui Reiki
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energy began evolving with Usuiand the evolvement continued
with Hayashi, with taca and withthe teachers that came after
them as well.
And.
One of the things that happened,like you said when we're ready,
the energy appears, the KaurnaReiki showed up, but it is such
a high.
Frequency of energy that itcontinued to evolve.
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And so people started teachingvery different classes and
calling them Kaurna Reiki.
And some of the students weredisappointed because they wanted
the original Kaurna.
Reiki, not something different.
And so the trademark just allowsthat integrity to exist.
I don't know about you, Karen,but when I went to study Kaurna
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Reiki, I was guided to.
I was really, it is one of thesteps in becoming a licensed
teacher, but this was longbefore I was thinking of
becoming a licensed teacher.
I went to study Kaurna Reiki in2013, and I very specifically
remember thinking that the Reikimaster level, Had just healed so
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many things for me and broughtso much beauty into my life.
I, I really, I rememberspecifically, I was on my way
down to the class and getting inmy car.
I was, I drove 12 hours to gotake the class from William Rand
in 2013 in Glen's Falls, NewYork.
And I remember having thisspecific thought, life doesn't
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get any better than.
Because once I had my masters,my horses became attuned.
We were all doing Reiki all thetime.
I began teaching Reiki, eventhough that wasn't the reason
that I began teaching Reiki myfinancial issues sorted out
because so many people wantedthe classes and I really looked
around and said, life doesn'tget any better.
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But I was used to following myguidance or my calling, and my
calling was to go and studyKaurna Reiki.
And then life did get a wholelot better and I like better
than I thought was ever possibleand I went, oh, okay.
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What was your experience in withKaurna?
Reiki?
Yeah, no, looking back as youwere talking, I thought, oh my
gosh, I just had this epiphany.
I thought, why did I take KaurnaReiki at the time I did.
And now I think I understand mymother had just been diagnosed
with cancer.
And I think to me this energy isvery mothering and very, Loving
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and very feminine nurturing,isn't it?
It's very nurturing.
Compassionate action.
And it just dawned on me that,oh, that's why, because I didn't
do my master until 2013, but Ididn't take Caron until 2016.
Okay.
And that is, it came in thenbecause I needed it.
I needed these symbols and thisenergy to sustain me through.
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Being a caregiver for my motherand the transition that was
coming in 2017, and I didn'tknow that at the time, so thank
you for that epiphany, But thatmakes perfect sense.
Okay.
That's why I waited, I guess Iwasn't ready.
Yeah.
And when it, when I needed thisdeeper support or from these
higher frequencies, these verynurturing and compassionate
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action, duh.
I don't know how, I didn't seethis before.
What is a caregiver for somebodywho has cancer?
You have to come from a place ofcompassionate action, and my
mother didn't die until 2017.
But yeah, I, this Kaurna came, Idon't never put those things
together yet, but yeah, that'sexactly what happened.
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So you may feel called to thisKaurna if you're listening to
this podcast and you'rethinking, huh, what is that
Kaurna?
It's, for me, I guess it's avery nurturing energy that helps
you fill up so that you can goand bring more compassion to the
world.
What do you love most about it,Karen, while you're, while
you're on that line.
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I, I love all the differentsymbols.
So at first when I took Karinaand when I got the book, it's
eight more symbols, and I waslike, holy moly, that's, that's
a lot.
And it was overwhelming, but youknow what, that's what I love
about it the most, is, holyfire, for example.
It feels like this glowinggolden light or this beautiful
mist sort of a feeling.
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And each one of these symbols,and I don't know if you guys
could feel it as we werechanneling each one individually
at the beginning.
I'm so glad you were guided todo that, Pam.
But each one of those to me islike a beautiful, colorful
thread.
Like the.
The sessions become almost likeweaving a tapestry of healing,
and you get like you're the loomand you're channeling.
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This energy to the client, butthen it's ah, needs a little bit
of this comes in.
And then a little bit of thatcomes in.
And the other thing I love aboutKarina is we learned to chant
and tone, which I could talkabout forever.
Maybe we'll do that in a minute.
But from time.
And that, at first I felt weirdabout it.
Yeah.
None of nobody ever wants tochanter tone.
And my students like we dopractice sessions, like when I
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taught in person, I'd comearound and they'd.
Come on.
Can't hear you.
And that's one thing I likeabout the online Karina is I
have them just turn off theirsound for Zoom.
It's now just let it, let thatsound come through.
Activate Zno now I want you justto go like Z.
Just feel it.
That vibration of.
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Energy through your body and Ilet'em like mute themselves
because it, here's the coolthing though, when you do it as
a group over Zoom, it comes inlike in waves.
Yeah.
And it's just this amazingthing.
But when I do sessions either inperson or I just do distance
sessions now on the phone, theclients will say, if I chant and
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I'm just going with whatevercomes through, I'm chanting.
Yeah.
And it's weird.
It's like making like thesedifferent.
A colorful tapestry.
I don't know how else to explainit.
It's like a thread of this comesin a thread of that and is so
specific to what the clientneeds.
And I'm just of guided to whatcomes through.
And I feel like I'm just like,like in, it really does feel
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like a, like I'm the loom andthose are like the threads of
light coming in and you're justa light weaver in a, in a.
I love it.
And the clients say, I couldfeel when you were chanting, I
was like, and I'll say do youmind if I make some sacred
sounds?
Because you don't want'em tostartle'em off the table.
Ah.
But they'll say that I felt thatin my bones.
Like I could feel when p whenyou said with Rama this may
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cause some things to drop away,and when you're, as a current
practitioner chanting the energythrough, the sound waves of your
voice, so it's not just comingthrough the light waves of your
hands, it's coming through thesound waves of your voice, and
it just, whew.
Yeah.
It's transformative.
I love Kaurna Reiki.
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I do too.
And that was a long answer.
It's one of my favorite classesto teach.
Whenever I teach Kaurna Reiki,it just, it's so uplifting for
the students, for me, for.
Everybody involved, but I thinkthe thing that I love about it
the most is the additionalhealing frequencies.
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And I noticed that there werecertain things that, things like
sexual abuse and child abuse andthings like that, that with Usui
Reiki, even at the master level,I was working and working with
some wonderful people trying toheal and help them heal some of
these issues and.
The progress was very slow if itwas there at all, and then
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Kaurna Reiki came in and justpow it, it was so powerful.
I had one client explain, when Ifirst came back I contacted all
the people I had taught at themaster level and said, Hey, I've
got this new frequency and Ineed to learn more about it.
Would you like a free session?
And they traveled from all overto come for their sessions and
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shared with me, what theyexperienced.
And I remember one client sayingit felt like she could feel
things popping off of her bodylike popcorn.
From that first symbol.
And I won't say the name, butFrom that first symbol.
And so it just, it was amazing.
But the other thing that Inoticed was my own life.
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I thought things had gottenreally beautiful and really
effortless when I became a Reikimaster, but Kaurna, Reiki took
that to another level.
I can remember thinking, wow, Ididn't realize life could get.
As effortless and as beautifulas this as it did with Kaurna
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Reiki.
So I love Karina.
Yeah, it does.
It goes deep.
So yes, some of the symbols whelp you work on the shadow
cell.
yeah, a lot of.
It was the Kaurna, because Ididn't have Holy fire helped a
lot with the remnants stuff, itjust, yes, you heal in layers.
We've probably said this amillion times on this podcast,
but but it was the Kaurna Reikithat first went deep into the
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childhood, sexual abuse andsexual assault and this list of
things, to start releasing that.
And then yeah, it takes you, ithelps.
Makes it easier.
Yeah, I, and I've talked withKaren Harrison.
She says, she works with theHoly Fire a lot.
She's a a family therapist andthe counselor, and she said
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Reiki can do so much.
It goes so deep, so fast, andit's so much faster than, six
months of talk therapy.
That's what she's mentioned thaton my podcast too, that, yeah,
she's found that it can really,and they're, I find they're
beautiful to use together.
But yeah, she has mentioned thatit just goes so deep and is so
effective.
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And one of the symbols withKaurna Reiki, is a spiritual
anesthetic.
And so what I love about that isnot only does it go incredibly
deep and loosen up things thatmight even be ingrained at the
cellular level, but it also Canwhere was I going with that,
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Karen?
I just lost my tongue.
Uh, That it's oh, the spiritualanesthetic.
You don't necess have to feel itall that you don't have to feel
it.
So you can release reallypainful, difficult things
without necessarily feeling it.
And one of the lovely thingsabout a session with this, is,
you don't even have to tell uswhat you're working on.
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you can just, we can just knowthat you're working on something
personal for you, somethingdeeply personal, and you don't
have to talk about it.
And we can still use thesesymbols to effortlessly help you
release that.
And I love that.
I love that my clients can feel.
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you know that they don't have toshare some of the things that
are deeply traumatic for them,and they don't, also don't have
to experience them again.
You don't have to pull it up andlook at it again and feel all
that blah.
Yeah.
And sometimes you feel littlebut not a, and a lot of times
people cry and sometimes they'llsay, I don't even know why I'm
crying.
And I'll say, you're justreleasing old stuff.
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Just let it.
And you don't have to tell mewhat it is.
You don't even have to know whatit is you exactly.
Just be when you're willing tolet it go, when and maybe it's
your higher self that's, that'sokay, it's time to let this go.
You've learned this lesson,you've whatever, and it's time
and you just let it go.
And it frequently is accompaniedby crying or Yeah.
Sometimes, but yeah, I love thatabout Karen.
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One of the things I noticed withKarina is that my self sessions
got a lot more subtle and.
So much so that I wasn't evenalways sure there was something
happening.
And so one of the things that Idid was I asked the energy, Hey,
can you give me a sign or someway to know that energies are
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releasing?
Because it did, it got morepowerful.
I think I could tell for myclients, but for my self
sessions, I wasn't sure, and solittle tears just leak outta my
eyes.
That's how I know.
That things are moving and do Ineed to know what they are?
I absolutely don't.
There's even a symbol that helpsus move into past lives and,
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release things that we may notbe aware of that might still be
encoded in our D n a Yeah.
Or be still impacting us.
So ancestral trauma, when yousaid that, so when Pam said
earlier.
things that are coded in your,at a cellular level, that it can
release things at a cellularlevel.
What she's talking about reallyis the epigenetics, the, which
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psychologists are looking at itsaying, oh, this is like
ancestral trauma that's it'sflipped epigenetic markers on or
off.
And so it's healing that stuff.
Yeah.
You know that passes down.
Yeah, go ahead.
Sorry.
Sorry, Kira.
No.
I just, I'm fascinated by thishas been my obsession of late
but really the, I think theKaurna Reiki started with that,
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that we're, that there'sdifferent kinds of ancestral
trauma sometimes.
There was a study that they didduring the a famine in a
Holland, the Dutch famine, andit was people, generations later
that had an obesity.
The obesity gene flipped onbecause of this famine.
I mean there's that kind ofscience, so it can heal those
sorts of things.
But then also just emotionalthings we would talk about
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ancestral trauma could be so inthe United States, I'm in the
United States, it could be theAfrican American population, you
know that trauma that theirancestors experience are our
Native American wellers too inCanada?
Yeah.
Native American populations.
I'm about to move to Ecuador.
They have like Spanishcolonialism.
It's, we all have ancestraltrauma.
Yeah.
You know that kind of stuff as,and that changes our cellular
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makeup.
That trauma affects it.
And then it's passed downthrough the generations, so it
releases that kind of.
Flips those markers back off orback on be right.
chairs better.
So I find that fascinating.
I, yeah.
You're a scientist, so Yeah, ofcourse I do.
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But I, and I wish I couldunderstand it with my mind, but
but it's beyond.
When you were talking earlierabout even like Karina, like
calling this Kaurna Reiki orcalling it this, we're trying to
put a name on an energy that isboundless, and it's difficult to
speaking to talk aboutsometimes.
Yeah.
And speaking of Boundless, I wasspeaking with Colleen Benelli
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and she said that she received amessage with William at one
point.
The cab has been lifted fromwhat is possible with Kaurna
Reiki, and so that essentiallytells us that this.
Frequency of energy meansnothing is impossible.
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Everything is possible.
And as a matter of fact, one ofthe things, and I'll put a link
to this article in our podcastnotes, one of the things we
noticed.
Through Kaurna Reiki is thatduring sessions, several L RMTs,
licensed Reiki master teacherswith the I C R T began to notice
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that new energies were cominginto our sessions, very specific
energies, and we realized thesewere the lights and the lights.
Something that Kaurna Reikibrought in and made possible for
us.
And I know in my own session Iwas working with someone and the
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light of self-love came in andit showed that, many people
disconnected with self-lovearound 10 or 12 years old, just
from social conditioning andsome of the cultural messages.
That we receive that, your bodyshould look like this.
Your nose should look like that,and your hair should be this
color and that style and so on.
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And around the same time Iremember I said, but it looked
very different from any of thefrequencies I'd seen before.
And at the same time, Colleen.
Benelli noticed the light ofbeauty was coming into her
sessions.
Karen Harrison noticed the lightof forgiveness was coming into
her sessions.
And I think Kathy Menosky had Iforget what one, maybe
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compassion, or maybe that wasJill Teal.
And so several and Jay Jacksonhad the light of truth come in.
And so we noticed that basicallyfor every energy.
That we need.
You can have the light of onetime I had the light of career
attainment come in for somebodyand.
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for every condition that youneed to create, there is a light
available.
And it's been just theheightened frequencies of Kaurna
Reiki that have made thispossible.
And I wanna just talk for aminute about when I say
heightened frequencies, and itdoesn't mean that.
There is any one type of Reikithat's better than another.
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What it means is they build oneach other.
So you know, you sui Reiki atthe level one and two, it builds
so that you can go to the masterlevel.
After you're at the master levelfor a while and that
relationship is developed, youcan add Kaurna.
And that builds, and there's asynergy when these energies come
together.
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And the same when we add animalReiki that builds.
And so it's just broadening thespectrum of what we can access
and what's available.
And for me personally, I justreally.
At that point I was aprofessional Reiki master.
I was seeing clients, and evenif I hadn't been, I wouldn't, I
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would've gone to study KaurnaReiki, but because I was called
to it, but.
I just thought, I wanna haveeverything possible in my
toolkit, to work with my friendsand family and clients with
Reiki, and that was a big, whatwas the reason I know you
realize now that it had to dowith your mom, but was there a
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specific reason that you went tostudy Kaurna?
When.
Aside from that?
Or was that I just follow mynudges.
So like, why are you moving toEcuador?
I don't know, because my godstold me to But no, not a
specific reason.
More I, except that I think Iwas ready.
I was ready for more.
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And maybe that's why some peopleare like, they just they're just
hungry for it.
They've been maybe on thejourney longer than I was.
I didn't start my Reiki journeytill I was 49.
but, and I needed, and I had toheal a little bit, it's like
some of the heavy stuff had todrop off before I went.
Okay.
I guess it's coming out of achrysalis.
You have to shake off this muchbefore you go.
Your wings come out and you go,okay, I'm ready for to expand my
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wings a little more now.
And that's how it felt.
And I don't, I think, as youwere talking about the, it's not
a higher, like a betterfrequency or anything, but it's
I'm fascinated by cymatics.
I mentioned to you earlier, Pam,that the science of.
and you probably guys, if you'veseen, maybe go on YouTube and
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just type in C Y M A T I C s,cymatics is this science of
sound.
And when you probably will seelike some metal plates and they
put sand on it and then theyattach that to a speaker, and
then they play, they change thefrequency, so they'll go woo.
And it, it creates sacredgeometry and the lower
frequencies create less complexpattern.
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and as the frequency, as theyturn it up and then the
frequency goes higher, thegeometric patterns get more
complex.
I think it doesn't mean that thelower frequencies aren't as good
as the higher frequencies.
They're just not as complex.
And I think that Kaurna, Reikimaster, as we're going through
this, I think it we're justturning up the frequency and so
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you get when that, I'm a veryvisual learner.
When it's a high frequency, youhave a lot of different lines in
those geometric patterns.
Just like you get more symbolsin the carina, just like these
other lights start coming in.
That's what I was thinking.
These other lights, thefrequency is as you are
vibrating higher because you,you are the channel of this
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energy and so yeah, you arechanneling like higher
frequency.
And when you can maintain likethis, like All right, gimme some
more, you can go a.
hold more, a higher frequency.
And then I think that's whenthe, you start getting more
lines.
Yeah.
Am I making any sense?
You are, to me.
I really like that visualactually, Karen, but I think
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maybe that's what the lightsare.
Maybe that's why you've gotthese other symbols that came in
with the Kaurna like eightbecause it, like I said at the
beginning, it's like I hatesymbols, but they're really easy
to learn and they're very Yeah,it is, aren't they?
And they're really specific.
So you can really tailor.
your healing.
You can find, okay, I'm gonna goback to the tuning thing.
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You can fine tune your healingsession.
Yeah.
It's not just holy or the othernames, it's not just like the
suey master symbol or it's notjust this one.
And you do, you have the powersymbol, the mental, emotional,
the distance symbol.
I You have all these otherfrequencies there.
Now you're holding thosefrequencies.
It's more, gimme more.
So here's some eight more.
And then when you work withthose for a while, maybe that's
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why the lights are coming in,Pam, I think so you're already
holding this many and thenhigher.
It's always there.
You're just, it's up here andwe're down on this lower
frequency and you have to riseup to it and then you, maybe
that's what William meant, theHeki, the cap's.
The caps off and I think whatthat means is anything is
possible.
Before my husband studied KaurnaReiki with me, he was confused.
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And I get this question a lot.
I wonder if you do too, Karen.
He said, I'm already a Reikimaster.
Why would I take Kauna?
And this was the beginning ofCovid.
We were just teaching, it was myfirst online class, my first
solo online class, I had justbecome licensed.
Or maybe even, it was, I thinkit might have been my last class
I needed to teach to becomelicensed at the Kaurna Reiki
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master level.
And I said, you don't have to,but some people are guided to.
And he said I'm gonna be homeanyway cuz we were all, maybe I
might as well take it.
And you know what's really funnyis it's his favorite.
He identifies with it.
He says he even identifies withit more than he identifies with
yasui.
And we'll talk about chantingand toning next because he said
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if you had told me a couple ofmonths ago, or a couple a year
ago that I would be blockingthrough the woods chanting and
toning symbols.
To trees I and the forest.
I would've said You were crazy.
There was no way that was gonnahappen.
But we do that almost every day.
We love using our voice with thesymbols, and that's one of the
techniques, chanting and toningthat we learn with Kaurna Reiki.
(38:57):
And I know you love to talkabout that, so I'm gonna pass
that over to you, I do.
If anybody's watched me on yourpodcast, I like to talk, I like
to make sounds.
but some people don't.
And when I was a child, nobodybelieves this, but I was
terribly shy.
I had no self-esteem.
I was very shy too.
Yeah, just I had long hair thatI could sit on and if I looked
down, it would just completelycover my face and like I didn't
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exist and don't look at me, but.
So I have students like thatsometimes they're like, I don't
wanna make sounds.
I'm an introvert, I don't wannamake sounds.
When I first learned this, Isaid, I'm not using that
technique.
No way.
People are gonna think I'mcrazy.
I use that technique in everysession now, every I do too.
And it's usually their favoritepart.
Because it really, we are in aphysical body and, we're healing
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things that are sometimes outhere in the mental emotional, sp
out in the energetic body, but,Sound, sound, it penetrates like
all the energy bodies and thenyou feel it even in your
physical body, the sa So there'sthat aspect when I am chanting.
Okay, so first of all, chantingis usually faster.
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I chant a lot of times I'mimbuing the energy field with
the energy of those particularsymbols.
And it's.
So I chant out loud.
So Pam, you're not saying thenames of the symbols?
No, but okay.
Okay.
I could say holy fire probably,right?
Yeah.
So I could say so if I chantedholy fire, it would just be my
different I the rhythm of it andeverything, maybe I'm giving it
(40:28):
in a session and I'm feeling,holy fire.
Maybe I'm.
Holy fire.
Holy fire.
Holy fire.
Holy fire.
Holy fire.
Maybe I'm feeling like that thatit's coming through, but that's
changing.
You feel a great big holy fire.
Uhhuh.
Yeah.
And some people think like it'sOh, I can't sing.
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It's that's all right.
In fact, sometimes, and I cancarry a tune, but sometimes I'm
chanting and it comes out holyfire.
It'll just go and I'm like, whatwas that?
But it goes to the somethingthat people need.
It goes, so it's not about beingpretty or anything like that.
It's just, and it is part ofIt's about being effective.
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It's about being effective,right?
So you're not performing like,nobody cares about that.
You're just you're, you are,you're giving another dimension.
This energy, to me is veryinterdimensional also, when I am
making sound letting that energycome through and manifest
through sound waves, it takes ona whole other, seriously, a
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dimens.
to the healing frequently.
I feel like I'm in some sort ofa sound healing temple.
Wow.
I had, I don't think I've saidthat out loud anywhere, I feel
like I'm not in the roomanymore.
I don't know how to explain it.
I f I feel more interdimensionaland it has something to do with
it.
That shift that happens, liketheir body, my body, the energy.
(41:58):
It's just.
Oh, I guess I just become, thatmust be what quantum, what it
feels like to be quantum Yeah,oh, I'm just vibrating.
Everything is vibrating.
I become distinctly aware thateverything is a vibration when
I'm chanting, or Tony, and maybethat's why chanting is part of
so many religious traditions.
Even Christianity had theGregorian chance or Yeah.
(42:21):
Chanting and Buddhism, Hinduism,the hymns, even the hymns and
the songs.
The hymns and psalms.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's something to the, tothat, and I encourage my
students to like, just let arip, just do it.
Let that sound come through you.
You are not performing.
You are letting.
the energy come through you andmanifest as that sound.
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And then toning.
So chanting will put it more inthe room evenly.
Like in the energy room, in theroom around the client.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then toning.
I'll use when it's really goodto Ooh, it's like a laser beam.
It will just like woo and justvibrate.
In two pieces and with toningwe're specific.
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Like we place it, if there's aspecific image we're aware of on
our client's body or in theiraura we direct it to that and
yeah.
Yeah.
And it's just we know howpowerful sound is.
Yeah.
God loves the American militaryhas weaponized it.
We know how powerful it is.
Okay.
You.
No, it is, it's, I don't know ifyou know that, you know the
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American military?
No.
Yeah.
They take like big, horrible,like hard rock music and it's
just really loud and just blastit.
Cause it drives people nuts.
Yeah.
It would drive me nuts.
I like quiet.
Yeah.
Or people can go, oh, particularnote, break glass.
And we know the sound canlevitate things.
We're beginning to really.
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the power of sound.
And so that, that's one thing Ilove about the Kaurna class is,
it's only three days and we onlyget, maybe a good day of
practicing with the chanting.
Yeah.
But from, for many students,they haven't heard of cymatics,
they haven't even considered it,they haven't thought about it.
Gives another dimension.
There's that word again, tohealing like, huh.
(44:10):
And I think that's what taking aKaurna class is about.
You're a Reiki master and maybethat's great.
but then you work with theenergy, oh, I froze again.
you work with the energy alittle bit and then you think, I
think there's more.
I'm ready for more.
And that more is Karina, becausethat's gonna go, ah, I can do
(44:30):
even more with this.
I agree.
And let's talk about who, ifKaurna Reiki can be learned by
anyone.
Do you need prior Reikiexperience?
So yes, you do have to have amasterclass, a sui masterclass
before taking kauna.
But you can take Kaurna Reikifrom any lineage, and some
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people find that's an expedientway to get holy.
And so some people will come tomy Kaurna Reiki class from
another lineage and say they'dlike to learn holy fire, and
they might as well learn kaunaat the same time.
It is a big shift, but it doesseem to work really well for
people.
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And of course, if you're alreadya holy fire, Yesi Holy Fire
Reiki master for at least sixmonths.
You can then move on and that's,you do need to be at the teacher
level though, the master teacherlevel with Yasui from any
lineage.
And then you can move on toKauna.
Do you have anything else to addthere, Karen?
(45:33):
No, that's and I tell, oh, infact, My favorite students from
the uk, he was drawn to Kaunaand he was drawn to holy fire at
the same time.
And of course, I'm always allabout saving money, so I'm like
you could take Holy Fire, Kauna,and you would be attuned to both
and you can then teach.
And you can teach all of yourclasses is fully fire.
(45:55):
And I, I used to think that too,and I, but I've noticed that
some of my teacher or mystudents say, yeah, I think I'm
ready for that acceleratedlearning.
And others say, no, I think I'dlike to take it slower.
He did.
So that's, that was myrecommendation.
I said, you could do this,because he had been a Reiki
master teacher for 20 years.
And I said, I think you would befine doing this.
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But you know what he said?
No.
Oh, this is my terrible Britishaccent.
No.
See, cause I'm going to teachHoly Fire, so I'm gonna go back.
I'm gonna take the Holy FireMaster Fest.
A lot of people that do takeKauna, they wind up going back
and taking, that's what he didmaster anyway.
Yeah.
So usually I'll say look, goahead and take the master Holy
Fire Master, and then theKaurna, and we talk a little
(46:36):
about the Holy fire again in theKaurna Master, just because they
could be coming from otherlineages.
And so for students who have hadHoly Fire Master already, it
gives them, I frequently talkabout that spiral of learning.
You've already learned this, butnow you're going through it
again from a higher perspectiveand you go, oh yeah, I hadn't, I
didn't catch that first timearound.
(46:57):
Or, you have a differentperspective on it.
It's a really nice review, isn'tit?
Yeah.
What do you think some of thebenefits are of being a Holy
Fire Kaurna Reiki practitioner?
you can offer your clientsfaster, deeper healing.
Yeah.
That's all I can say.
(47:18):
Faster, deeper, healingyourself, because it's very
specific.
Yeah.
You're now carrying eight morefrequencies around in your
energy field that you canchannel into your session.
Yeah.
As needed, depending on theclient.
and it shifts your awareness.
I think it made me moreeffective also.
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But Pam said, you don't have tobe aware of everything that the
client's going through.
It made me more effectivebecause I just, I'm more
sensitive to energy and I thinkthe more energy you're attuned
to the more sensitive you are.
and I found that it just like I,I'm gonna mention again, it
brought an effortlessness intomy life.
So there was a lot of personalhealing that happened with
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Karina that I don't even think Iwas aware I needed.
And it just it just, Reallyhelped with my spiritual growth.
Like really helped with myspiritual growth.
Yeah.
Would you say the same thing,Karen?
Yeah, me too.
I'm gonna go back to that.
That butterfly and the chrysalissort of thing.
It, the master breaks you outtathat chrysalis, but that Kuna
really helps you spread yourwings out and dry'em so you can
(48:24):
fly.
I like that.
I really like that analogy.
Karen, I don't know, is thereanything else that we need to
let people know about Kauna?
I, we could mention She is oneof the ascended masters who is
sometimes associated with KaurnaReiki.
If you already have KaurnaReiki, there's a wonderful
exercise that Lorrell ShantiGaia suggests in her book on
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Kaurna Reiki, which is to justSpend a week with each symbol
and get to know it better.
I really love that exercise andI encourage a lot of my students
to do it.
And the other thing maybe that Iwould mention is how lovely the
classes are.
My husband would always comehome and after teaching level
one or two or masters there.
(49:10):
They're wonderful days, but youcould be a little tired by the
end of the day and afterteaching Kaurna Reiki I'm just
usually, buoyant and energized,and he says, he noticed it.
He remarked on it and he said, Ithink it's because you're
teaching experts.
But I noticed that the studentsare that way too.
Like the students really bondwith each other and they seem to
(49:32):
connect at a much higher level.
Again.
And so are there any things likethat, that you notice about it?
Yeah, I think especially, yeah,the bonding that takes place
between the students in theclasses.
I think.
Maybe it's almost like a meetup.
I dunno.
I wonder sometimes I've had thisthought in particular classes
(49:52):
did we just all agree before wecame into this life?
Okay, we're gonna meet up atthis Kaurna where Karina class?
Yeah.
What date?
Yeah.
What date?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The people get along.
The healing is so beautiful andeffortless.
It's, yeah, it's just anincredible class to teach, isn't
(50:13):
it?
And I in a couple of classes andI, it's usually the Kaurna and
this sounds weird to talk about,but I won't go ahead anyway.
Cuz this is, come to Pam'spodcast to talk about weird
things.
We were this one specific Kaurnaclass.
There were so many, or.
That were flying.
And it wasn't just here, but itwas distracting, cause I'd be
talking about something and thislittle ball of light would go,
(50:35):
ping and the stairs would go,oh, there went another one.
And then sometimes I'd see'emaround them too.
I don't, I still don't knowexactly.
what that was.
But it, but I haven't noted, cuzthat's the, probably the
academician in me.
I'm like isn't that interestingthat happens during this time
and the other time?
But it seems like it happensmore in Kaurna class.
I don't know what that isexactly.
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This, there is something,there's an elevation that really
occurs with coronary.
It's more inter, I just wannasay it's more interdimensional.
There's somethinginterdimensional about.
Yeah, it's a lovely energy.
So if you've been giving it anythought hopefully this podcast
just might illuminate you clearup some things about it so that
you can really consider whetheror not it is for you.
(51:17):
But I know we both have someKaurna classes coming up.
Karen yours is up to, and wehave both have a.
We both have a complimentarysession.
I think, questions.
If you hear this podcast and youhave questions about a Karina
class, you can schedule acomplimentary session to chat
with us about.
A A quick Tell me this aboutKuna, do you think it would help
with that?
What do you think this is?
And Yes.
(51:38):
Yeah, absolutely.
Or posting the comments, if thisis on YouTube or, definitely,
yeah.
And so Karen, I don't know.
I didn't actually have anythingprepared to, for a meditation, I
think that we did it to at thebeginning.
I thought that was, yeah, Ithought that was really
interesting.
So hopefully you all could feelthat Karina energy that we were
sending through the invocation.
(52:00):
Because even chanting and toningsilently actually yeah, you'll
feel it just as powerfully aswith, a loud voice.
Let's just end with just you andI, just without saying the
symbols names, let's just chantand tone for another few minutes
so that the listeners can go outwith a nice, beautiful burst of
Kaurna, Reiki and Maybe they canjust give some thought as to
(52:23):
whether this is for them.
I know one of the things thatI've done for my masterclass is
I provide four monthly paymentsso that it makes it a little
easier, but I will mention that.
When you are supposed to do aclass, as soon as you decide to
do it, the finances, theteacher, the timing, it usually
(52:43):
all lines up.
Yep.
Go ahead and give that somethought if you feel Karina is
something you'd like to add toyour toolkit and if it's right
for you.
So let's just bring our hands inGassho again, and Karen and I
are just gonna silently chantand tone the symbols to you.
(54:08):
And we'd just like to take amoment to thank you for joining
us here today, and we hope youhave enjoyed this burst of
Kaurna Reiki energy.
that we shared.
If you'd like to learn more, byall means reach out.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me, Pam.
Thank you for being here, Karen.
(54:28):
I.
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