Your Reiki Questions Answered - with Karen Caig, LRMT - Reiki from the Farm™

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Pam (00:58):
And so welcome everyone on this week's podcast and in this
month's Reiki share.
We, I'm back with Karen Keg andwe are here to answer your
questions about Reiki.
And we thought we'd start withthe top five questions that
people ask Google about Reikiand and then go from there and

(01:22):
answer the questions of thefolks that are here today.
Karen and I began a Reiki Basicspodcast series for a couple of
reasons.
One is because even we can havethe most complete training and
sometimes just have missed oneor two basics that maybe it was
mentioned in class, maybe itwasn't, or maybe we, just missed

(01:45):
it.
So it can sometimes be nice tojust.
Fresh, the basics of Reiki.
And the other reason is thatsometimes we get asked questions
ourselves about Reiki and itmight be nice to have the
answers, or you can always referpeople to this podcast as well.
And Karen's here by PopularDemand because every time I do a

(02:06):
podcast with her, I hear fromfans that say, I just love her.
I want to hug her.
And can you do more podcastswith Karen?
And I said that's pretty prettygood guidance.
That's pretty direct guidance.
Karen, welcome.
Thank you for being heretonight.

Karen (02:25):
Thank you for asking

Pam (02:26):
me So guys, before we begin, I just wanna let you know
about some of the things I havecoming up at the farm this week.
I have five days of animalReiki.
They're, it's both online and inperson.
The classes aren't full.
So join us if you'd like, inDecember.
Sorry, F.
October 31st, I have a Holy Firethree Kaurna Reiki class, and

(02:50):
that's with the World PeaceEnergy.
And that's being offered in anAustralian friendly time zone,
which is evenings in NorthAmerica, early mornings in
Australia.
And then in December I've gotsix days of animal stuff.
I've got a Reiki level one andtwo class, which is a
prerequisite to animal Reiki.

(03:10):
And it's also helpful to havethat before animal
communication.
It's followed by two days ofanimal communication and two
days of animal Reiki.
In January, I have a full lineupof online classes in the
Australian, or sorry, EasternTime Zone.
And in March I'm going to be onthe ground in Royal Australia,

(03:31):
just outside of Canberra.
And it would love to have youjoin us for Reiki Level one and
two Masters and Animal Reiki oneand two.
Really excited.
To get back to Australia and inMay if you are in the New York
area, would love to have youjoin us for animal Reiki.
And of course there's moreclasses in April and next summer

(03:54):
I'll be doing the whale classfor any of you that would like
to join us for Animal Reiki withthe whales.
So would love to have, See youthere.
Karen, and I guess in NovemberI'll also be for any Brazilian
listeners, I'll also be part ofthe Brazilian Reiki summits.
I'm really looking forward tothat.

(04:16):
And I'll be in Massachusetts injust a month's time talking
about dousing animalcommunication and animal Reiki.
Join us for any of those.
Karen, what have you got goingon?

Karen (04:29):
It's, I teach one and two master animal one and two animal
master every month.
Just check Reiki hypheninstitute.com.
Excellent.

Pam (04:42):
And you also teach sometimes in the Asian time
zone?
Yeah, I do have one coming

Karen (04:46):
up.
I have an animal Reiki master onHong Kong.
Evening time coming up at theend of this month.
I'm teaching it over four days,

Pam (04:54):
so yeah.
And it's too like a Friday andSaturday.
It's Friday and

Karen (04:58):
Saturday, so it'll be Friday and Saturday night.
If you're in Hong Kong, Taiwanin China, Southeast Asia, it'll
be from seven until 11.
Math is not my strong suit.
Seven to 11, and if you happento be in London, it would be

(05:19):
like 12 to four.
Excellent.
So if you're in that time zone,so it'll be over four days
instead of three,

Pam (05:25):
and it'll be very early morning.
It'd be very early morning forme in North America.
Yeah.
Okay.
Guys, welcome to our q and aReiki session.
And we thought we'd like tostart by answering some of the
top questions about Reiki and soone of the top questions that is

(05:48):
often asked is, are there anyside effects from a Reiki
treatment?
Karen, do you wanna answer that?

Karen (05:58):
Side effects.
I assume that they mean negativeside effects because that's
probably what they're worriedabout because, but I would say
yes relaxation and joy, that's aside effect of Reiki session.
But no, really I would sayprobably when I first started
practicing Reiki with the sueyTibetan that energy was a

(06:21):
little, to me, it seemed like itwas a little more maybe not as
refined.
And sometimes if they, it pulledup a lot of stuff that needed to
clear, they might experience

Pam (06:34):
Discomfort.
Yeah.
Discomfort.

Karen (06:37):
But I've noticed that this holy fire energy doesn't
seem to, do that.
As much.
No.
Sometimes people twitch duringthe session I guess that's a
side effect.
And it's because the energyreleases.
One time I was doing a sessionon this mortgage banker, I'll
never forget because I was avisit at his head and I saw his

(07:03):
left foot.
I felt like a shift and I sawhis left foot go, Boy and kick.
But I didn't say anything.
And then just a couple ofminutes later, boying and he
opened his eyes and said, Whatis going on with my left foot
And said I said when you get amassage, sometimes you have a
knot in your muscle and themassage therapist just press

(07:24):
applies steady pressure and itreleases.
He said, Yeah.
I said that happensenergetically.
Sometimes it, the energy.
It just a knots, an energeticknot, and you may twitch or he
said, Oh, okay But that, thatdid to not be alarmed at that,

(07:45):
most people just relax and fallasleep.

Pam (07:47):
That's true.
It is.
And side effects?

Karen (07:50):
No, I think what, they mean, probably when they're
typing that into Google is Idunno is it's, is my hair going
to fall out or but in the westwe're conditioned to that.
We advertise reception drugs.
And then at the end of the TVcommercial, Do you do this in
Canada?
Are they allowed?

(08:10):
It's not in a Canadian.
Oh, okay.
So in America, Yeah.
It's take this, it may helpclear your acne up and then at
the end it's like your left armmay fall off and you may have
diarrhea for six months.
They just have such a list ofside effects.
So I'm sure that's what theymean.
And as far as negative sideeffects, no, I haven't Have you?

Pam (08:33):
No.
No.
No.
And I don't, I not negative sideeffects.
No.
Sometimes.
a mild discomfort as energiesare clearing.
And occasionally you mentionedtwitching.
I've had that, I've had and I'vesometimes there's tears
sometimes as some of the biggerenergies released, there's

(08:54):
tears.
And as Reiki practitioners,we're trained not to offer the
Kleenex right away because wedon't wanna stop that flow of
that release.
We want the release to happenfully and completely.
And then we offer the Kleenex.
And there's always Kleenex here,but our first instinct, often

(09:14):
when we're crying in front ofsomebody, we feel very
vulnerable and we want to stopit.
But as Reiki practitioners it's,such a safe.
Space.
And a lot of times the tearsthat release are, really
positive.
And one of the things that I'llmention along with that is Reiki

(09:36):
is not an alternative therapy.
It's not meant to be used in theplace of medical care, medicine
medic medications or mentalhealthcare.
It's meant to be used.
It's a complimentary therapythat's meant to be used
alongside of those things.

(09:57):
And when I when people use themtogether, they seem to have
fantastic results.
I've worked with clients who.
Didn't necessarily lose theirhair during chemotherapy.
Speaking of losing the hair,that made me think of it or

(10:17):
didn't have a lot of the sideeffects of radiation.
And I think a big part of thereason is Reiki is just, it
allows us to become so relaxedthat we're in such a, space to
be very receptive and open tohealing.
And we often say it's not theReiki energy that heals us.

(10:37):
The body knows how to healitself.
We're just not always in the,most receptive state to allow it
to do that.
So Reiki removes any blocks orbarriers.
It allows us to relax so that wecan move into a place where our

(10:58):
body can heal itself.
Does.
Yeah.
Make sense, Karen, would youYeah I,

Karen (11:03):
concur.
Yeah.

Guest (11:06):
Absolutely.

Pam (11:07):
Wonderful.
Another question people oftenask is, Reiki a religion?
And I'm gonna add a spin to thatand just I'll ask you to answer
Karen and then just ask.
And does it go with religions?
And think we know the answer tothat, but let's, go ahead and
answer that for our listeners.

Karen (11:30):
It is not a religion.
Now I live in the American Southand where people are really
preoccupied with it's called theBible Belt where I live.
And people are, they're worriedabout that.
They come from a backgroundwhere they need to be on guard
against, like evil forces andall of that.

(11:52):
And no, Reiki is not a religion.
It goes with any spiritual path.
And it also goes without anyspiritual path.
I wouldn't say most people whocome to Reiki they, are coming
from a spiritual of, any, somekind of background.

(12:14):
They're seeking, they'reseekers, I guess you could say.
But I have run into some peoplego No, I don't believe in all of
that.
They, come to it from ascientific point of view.
I've read that this seems towork with a human biofield and
this has positive results saypost-surgery or it's right.
I read about a, study aboutReiki being as effective only

(12:37):
quicker.
Thing, cognitive behavioraltherapy with some adolescents.
And I'm like, yeah.
So sometimes people come I don'twanna have anything to do with
like spirituality or anythinglike that.
Just just lay the Reiki on me,But and that's fine.
And that's to me is the beautyof Reiki.
It's, it works with people inwhatever way they want to

(12:58):
receive it.

Pam (12:59):
It, I agreed.
And you can be an atheist.
Yeah.
And still receive

Karen (13:05):
Reiki.
Yeah.
And, or you can be a Christianand receive Reiki or you can be
a Buddhist and receive, Itdoesn't matter.
It goes with, any spiritualpath.
It doesn't require you to changeanything about your belief
system to, receive.
It's the gift of healing.
This energy, the spirituallyguided life force energy.

Pam (13:27):
Most people who follow specific religious or spiritual
paths report that Reiki reallyenhance.
Their experience and I've hadthe opportunity in with the
world Peace grids.
One of the things that Williamdid was place Reiki grids on the

(13:50):
North Pole, the South PoleJerusalem, the Reiki centers in
Michigan and Maui, and also onMount Karama where Reiki
originated.
And on those grids, there arethe symbols for 12 of the
world's major religions.
It includes, and that alsoincludes agnostic atheists and

(14:13):
independent spiritual paths.
And these grid.
In addition to like the, reasonthat he placed them there, he
calls them world peace grids, isso that to give us all a focus,
a place to send Reiki that willwork with the magnetic pole of
the earth to spread peace on theplanet.

(14:36):
And it's also got the Reikisymbols.
It's got crystals.
It's in the shape of the 12pedaled lotus flower, which is
the ICR T's logo.
And it says, the following May,the followers of all the world's
religions and spiritual pathswork together to create peace
among all people on earth.

(14:58):
And I just love that sentiment.
And some time ago I was guidedto start writing a book, and
then I've been too busy tofinish writing the book on the
12 d.
Religions that are encompassedthere, the major world
religions, and just comparethem.
And so they, and it was meant tobe called All Roads lead home.

(15:22):
So in other words, it reallydoesn't matter what path you
follow, we're all searching forsource or the creator, or God,
whatever name you choose to callthat by, you might even call it
by science's name, biofieldenergy, whatever name the

(15:42):
universe, whatever name worksfor you.
One of the, part of the ICTsphilosophy is just is that it?
It doesn't matter what name youcall the creator or source, just
you know, and.
So I've had the honor of work oftalking with quite a few folks

(16:05):
now from who, who combine Reikiwith their religious beliefs
from Catholicism andProtestantism.
In the Christian background toBuddhism, to Islamism is the,
you talked with me about thegoddess religions and I've even
been in contact with somebodywith Daoism and a Zen Buddhist

(16:28):
monk, and I haven't, but I,haven't unfortunately I haven't
been able to convince them tocome on the podcast yet.
They're a bit shy and, but I'dlove to talk and I'm looking for
somebody with Tism and I havesomebody in mind for Native

(16:48):
spirituality, but I'm gonna, I'mgonna come back to that series
because.
One of the things we find isReiki goes with every religion
or like you said, Karen, or withnone, regardless of what you
follow and what you practice.
It's the string of pearls.
It's the string of pearls ofreligion

Karen (17:06):
It goes with everything.

Pam (17:11):
I like that.
It's the little

Karen (17:12):
black dress.
It goes everywhere.
Yeah.

Pam (17:16):
And as a scientist, we have a lot of friends who are
scientists, and I'm a, scientistby training and and it goes
along with science.
And that kinda leads into ournext question, which is, there
any science behind Reiki?
What do you answer when peopleask you?
I say

Karen (17:36):
yes, go to pub man.gov which is the American government
site that publishes every studythat has been done.
Here and and also cuz I rememberreading one study that was done
in Turkey.
Oh yes.
There needs to be more and morewell designed studies.

(17:59):
Yeah.
But yeah, there, there isscience there are some double
blind, large sampling.
Studies that show Reiki iseffective, especially when it
comes to chronic pain.
Relaxation.

(18:20):
Yeah.
And Anne Baldwin's book.
I'm gonna plug that.
Oh gosh.

Pam (18:26):
So Reiki and Clinical Practice.
Reiki and Clinical pr.
Oh

Karen (18:30):
geez.
Reiki and Clinical Practice.
That's that's a good, So I'm aformer English professor, so I'm
not a scientist like Pam I waslike, unless you want me to
diagram a sentence?
Maybe.
But I like the way her book islaid out because you can look up
different types of studies sayof like, for mental health, for

(18:52):
example, or and, she has a grouptogether with the charts and all
that sciencey stuff.

Pam (19:00):
And I've had the privilege of interviewing her a couple of
times on my podcast and Dr.
Baldwin.
Is a clinical scientist and shealso heads the center for Reiki
research.org, which is a sisterorganization.
It was created by William Randto the International Center for

(19:22):
Reiki Training, and I love theCenter for Reiki Research.
One of the things they do isthat they peer review all of the
Reiki studies that are done inmedical journals.
There've been quite a few Reikistudies that have been published
in medical journals, eithernursing or doctor practitioner

(19:46):
journals, and And dietetics aswell.
Different studies along thoselines.
And they peer review them andthey, look at them for the
effectiveness, based on the sizeof the study, was it double
blind, that sort of thing.
They also help scientists set upa study.

(20:07):
Any scientist who's interestedin creating a a Reiki study can
contact Dr.
Baldwin at the Center for ReikiResearch and she can help make
sure that your study is set upin such a way as to be the most
effective.
And another one of my podcastguests, Dr.

(20:31):
Martha Lacey, is actually in theprocess.
She's just designed a study.
For some of her high levelcancer research.
And Dr.
Baldwin basically helped her setthe parameters of the study so
that they so that it would bemore accepted and, so on.

(20:55):
And very, interested to see howthat study turns out.
But Dr.
Lacey is fantastic.
She, is I can't even pronouncewhat Dr.
Lacey is.
She's actually, she teachesfellows at the Mayo Institute in
Minnesota and and I alwaysmispronounce it, so I'm not even

(21:17):
gonna try.
But but she does do high levelcancer research and she's also
published some articles in theReiki News Magazine.
So I know that on the completionof that study, and once it is
written up in the medicaljournals and so on, she'll share
that, But, Taking that back alittle bit for me as a

(21:38):
scientist, it was reallyimportant to know is there
science behind this?
And so when I came across someother scientists who explained
like, really a lot of Einstein'swork can is.

(22:01):
It's Reiki is the expression ofa lot of Einstein's work.
The thing, no time or space justequals mc squared.
Like a lot of, these higherlevel physics theories and so on
are proven with theeffectiveness of Reiki.

(22:23):
And we may not have developeddiagnostic tools that are
sensitive enough to measure theReiki.
Itself yet, but we've developedenough studies that have
measured the efficacy and theeffectiveness of the Reiki,
which is also another, that isanother scientific method.

(22:46):
You don't necessarily have toprove something's there if you
can prove that it works.
And there's been so much proofthat it works that How many
hospitals, Karen, has it beenadopted in throughout the United
States right now?
Like

Karen (23:00):
1200 or something?
The last I read was 800.
But I think it's closer to, inmy spare time, maybe I'll go
back and check.
But I think it's really trulycloser to 1200 that have
including like the volunteerprograms and then those that you
know, actually have.

(23:20):
Reiki, like some of the cancercenters, for example, have Reiki
masters on staff and they trainthe caregivers and send, say
send the caregiver home withReiki one so that the caregiver
can give Reiki to the patients.
So there's a variety ofdifferent programs

Pam (23:36):
that there is.

Karen (23:38):
You can Google list of hospitals with Reiki in the
United States and you'll getsome major major Hopkins Mayo
Clinic.
A New Presbyterian.
A lot of the, bigger hospitals

Pam (23:53):
have them.
Yeah, they

Karen (23:55):
do.
And, in the uk, my friend Duncansaid, in the uk Yeah.
Several

Pam (23:59):
hospitals also use it.
I find we're a little slowerhere in Canada to adopt it.
And I, wonder if it has to dowith the fact that medical care
is free here.
And I, I feel that it probablyis to do with the fact that if
you say seven days in thehospital or 10, like it's no big

(24:20):
deal Whereas I'm not sure ifit's true or not, but one of my
students told me once that theinsurance, one of the reasons
that Reiki is more prevalent inthe US than in Canada is that
the insurance companies gottogether and said, Listen, it's
gonna take them too long tofigure out if it works or not.

(24:41):
Let's figure out if it saves usmoney.
And so they did their ownstudies on does it save them
money.
And in fact, it saved them somuch money that there are some
healthcare insurance providerswho offer a discount if you
will, accept Reiki sessions inhospitals.
And so then this really.

(25:02):
Spurred on the because it savedthe money just because people
didn't need as much care aftersurgeries.
I believe that's what they,yeah, that's true.
Such time or care aftersurgeries and it 20 to$40,000 a
day or whatever it is for

Karen (25:18):
the United States.
We don't care about your health.
We just, Yeah.
Just wanna save money.

Pam (25:24):
I thought that was a unique way to go about it and I, I
really admired it actually.
I was like, that's pretty cleverbecause it's true for us to
prove the science is gonna takesome time.
And so that's one way to look atit.
And I don't know.
I wish I knew what that studywas.
It was just a hearsay.
But it made sense to me.

(25:45):
And you were talking about someof the major hospitals, our own
Tracy Sullivan Has been involvedin the Yale University Hospital
and setting up their Reikiprogram.
And so there it is very acceptedin the world of science and
there is a lot of science toback it up.
But I always send people toReiki, the center for Reiki

(26:07):
research.org, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anything I'm missing there?
No, I think Sorry if I talkedtoo much about science guys.
I still love it.
One of the other questions ishow do I find a Reiki
practitioner?
That's a common question.

Karen (26:28):
I always tell people to go to Reiki dot org and click
find a Reiki practitioner nearme.

Pam (26:35):
There is, there's a whole section which is you type in
your postal code and it willtell you if you have licensed
teachers, professional membersof.
The Reiki Membership Associationare affiliate members.
Yeah.
And

Karen (26:47):
I tell people, I said, The reason I'm suggesting that
not is not just because I'maffiliated with the
International Center for ReikiTraining, but it's the reason
I'm affiliated with theInternational Center for Reiki
training.
I tell'em to if you can't findsomebody, Who is trained through
the I C R T ask the questionsthat, are pertinent.

(27:11):
If someone has been trainedthrough the I C R T, it means
something.
It means that they theyunderstand like basic
techniques.
It means that they have beenattuned to the energy and had
practice time in class askedthem where they got their
training, asked them what theirlineage is.

(27:34):
And then of course, when I teachespecially with holy fires, a
little different.
So I tell'em, I said, Don't yougo out there and tell people
like, I don't know what mylineage is, make me look bad.
No.
They should be able to say wherewhere does, how did you get your
Reiki?
Ask them.
Yeah.
Ask'em about their training.
How long have you beenpracticing?

(27:55):
How many clients do you see aweek?
Do you teach?
Because not, all Reikipractitioners do teach.
No.
But if they do teach, it meansthey probably have been asked
to, they've been doing it for awhile because most people will
start teaching when people go,Hey, can you teach me this?
But

Pam (28:17):
What do you say?
Oh gosh.
You, i, Reiki dot org is a,really good place to start
because you can type in your zipcode or your postal code
wherever you are in the worldand find people that have
received really completeevidence-based.
Courses.

(28:37):
But you can also that might notbe the lineage that you feel the
most aligned with and you canalso check out some of the other
Reiki associations.
Yeah you can Google, you canactually Google Reiki
practitioners near me as well.
Apparently I don't show upthough cuz I've got to like in
if, I can be in my own house andGoogle Reiki practitioners near

(29:00):
me and I'm not one of the onesthat shows up because I guess I
need to go in and fix my, theway I have the Google set up You
know what But, also I tellpeople like go, with, You can
also ask friends and, family doyou know anyone?
And they'll use social media,Make

Karen (29:19):
a post.
Does anybody, has anybody gottena Reiki session?
Does it can anyone recommend aReiki practitioner?
Yeah.
And I didn't mean to say thatICT is like the best or the
only.
Oh no

Pam (29:31):
They're,

Karen (29:31):
because they're Just kidding.
They're I'm thinking likeabroad, like in like, in the UK
I've met people for somedifferent lineages and, they've
had good training.
There's

Pam (29:46):
some out there and great lineages.
And don't be afraid to ask,

Karen (29:50):
just ask questions like, how long is the session?
How much is it?

Pam (29:54):
What do I expect and what do I

Karen (29:56):
expect?
Do you think that do you thinkthat I'm going to need more than
one session?
Do you usually recommend morethan one or and just ask them
questions mainly so you can keepthem on the phone or, do people
still talk on the phone?

Pam (30:13):
I'm old.
Not often, but get to know them.
Check out their website

Karen (30:17):
too.
Check out their website.
Yeah.
What you're doing is you'relooking for like that.
Trust your gut, where are youdrawn?
And I was gonna say, if you're apraying person, pray and say,
Okay, just guide me.
Send me to the right person.

Pam (30:30):
Yep.
Agreed.
And lot of people will say thatwhen they see our photo, it's, I
don't know what it is, butthey'll say, When I saw your
photo, I knew you were meant tobe my teacher, or I knew that
you could help me.
And I think, Wow, that's great.
And then, and they were alwaysright.
Like we, we always usually justreally clicked.
And we the first person whoconvinced me to do a distance

(30:55):
session back when I was brandnew, and I didn't know I knew it
worked, but nobody had evertrained me how to do it.
And a woman saw my photo.
in the Reiki on the cover of theReiki News magazine with my
horse in 2013, and she said,Look, I saw your photo and my in
my intuition just tells me thatyou'll be able to help me.

(31:15):
And I've tried every doctor,I've tried every therapy, I've
tried everything and I haven'tbeen able to.
I haven't been able to get help,but something about your picture
with your horse, I think you canhelp me.
And she really caused me to getoutta my comfort zone and do my
very first distance session and,proved to me, or showed me that

(31:40):
distance sessions are every bitas powerful as in person, which
is all I had done up until thatpoint.
And and in fact we've, she'scome and studied all the classes
just about, and we've maintaineda fantastic relationship for
years.
And it did help her.
The Reiki energy, She didn'teven know what Reiki was.

(32:03):
She just happened to see themagazine on a magazine rack and
saw our picture and said herintuition told her that
instinct.
Told her, I think, That personcan help me.
What?
The Heki is Reiki anyway.

Karen (32:18):
So just yeah.
That's, just that's a good pieceof advice.
Just listen, for your guidanceand listen to your gut.
Yeah.
Or your heart.
Your heart, wherever Did youfeel

Pam (32:28):
it in your body?
Yeah.
And and people are gonna, andit's okay to try a few Reiki
practitioners because we allhave a different style and a
different way of doing things.
And you might resonate more withsomebody else's style than you
do with mine.
Or or maybe my schedule won'taccommodate what you need.

(32:51):
That's a good sign that I'mprobably not the right
practitioner for you and, maybesomebody else is.
And so yeah, it's all gonna,it's all gonna come together.
But another top question is howoften should I get a treat?

(33:13):
and we'll start off maybe ifyou're receiving treatments from
others, and then we'll maybeextend that into a self session.
Okay.

Karen (33:22):
So if you're receiving Reiki from others it really
depends on what you're workingon.
I have a client that I dosessions on twice a week.
They're maintenance, right?
Maintenance sessions because shehas more money than I do and she
can afford it.

(33:45):
Sometimes people come and it'sjust, there's something a little
off and they get a Reiki sessionand they're like, Ha, They'll
have it.
Like you were talking aboutcrying.
Sometimes they release and itunblocks them.
They get in alignment andthey're good, and they may not
come back for another six.
If at all, But then sometimesit's you, feel like it's just

(34:09):
the beginning of their journey.
And then as a Reikipractitioner, I don't know how
to explain it except that it's apartnership.
Yes.
The client, me say this, theclient is, responsible for their
own healing ultimately, becausethey're the one that's gonna
decide whether to come back ornot, or and they have decided to
come because they are They'reready to, And so it's, a

(34:33):
partnership with the client.
What, do you feel?
Here's what I'm feeling.
There's is this like the end oris this the beginning?
And a lot of times it's, thebeginning or as you heal one
thing and it's look at there,

Pam (34:49):
there's more.
Oh yes, I know that

Karen (34:53):
it's like waiting to be done, feeling in layers.
And so I usually just leave itopen with the client and I'll
tell'em like sometimes they'relike, Okay I feel good, but I'm
gonna call you.
And sometimes they're like, Canwe go ahead and schedule the
next appointment?
And I'm like, and I pull thebook out and go Yeah, let's
let's do it.
Yeah.
So how about you?

Pam (35:13):
Great.
Karen a lot like what you said,and the only things I would add
is that I sometimes like formore significant issues if
you're dealing with a serious orsignificant issues, there is
some background that says threesessions fairly close together
can be the most effective.

(35:35):
And so if somebody contacts mewith a fairly serious condition,
I'll let them know.
Like it's probably not gonna beone and done where we may need
to do a few sessions to get tothe bottom of this, especially
if it's been going on for awhile.
That being said, I also have afew people who you know, book

(35:58):
weekly.
For just because it upliftsthem, it really helps them keep
going forward in their life.
I have other people that just doa monthly maintenance session
and if I'm working withsomething a little more serious,
I've had the good fortune ofhelping some folks with terminal

(36:18):
diagnoses move into what the,diagnosis of no evidence of
disease.
And with something like that, Ialways let the clients set the
pace as far as whether theywanna come every two weeks or
something.
But if it is a terminal illness,sometimes we meet weekly.

(36:41):
And and I find that's reallyeffective.
One of the things I love to see,and that's maybe the next
question, is.
I'd love to see my students takea class and because then I know
that they've got Reiki in theirown hands and they don't have to
wait until I have a sessionavailable to them.

(37:03):
They can continue to work onthemselves, but, and sometimes
we think I've got a class, Ishouldn't need a session.
But I have a lot of, I, I get asession personally every month
from my mentor, Colleen.
And I can notice it if for somereason one of our schedules

(37:24):
extends that a bit, I notice it.
I'm just kinda Huh, things justaren't flowing quite as
smoothly.
So I love the idea ofmaintenance sessions and I find
everybody's a little different.
Some people need two a week andthat there's nothing wrong with
that.
And some people once a month andor twice a month and other

(37:45):
people are once a quarter For,but I'm a big fan of doing some
regular sessions before you moveinto crisis.
Yes.
Because there's no need ofmoving into crisis like you,
It's using Reiki for preventionor preventative So was

Karen (38:08):
because you've taken a class, how often do you give
yourself Reiki?

Pam (38:11):
Yeah.
That's to be able to

Karen (38:13):
maintain just a monthly session with Colleen

Pam (38:16):
Benelli.
I do Reiki for myself every day,and I just have to, and I, think
I, I don't think I have made asecret of the fact that I'm a, I
don't know how reformed I am asfar as being a type A
personality and, I alwayswondered if it was even type A
plus if there was such a thing.

(38:37):
And so I need for myself to doReiki.
I do it at bedtime every night,and I usually activate my
symbols every morning and take aReiki walk.
And then I just look for littleways to weave it in through my
day.
In fact, I wrote an articleabout it that I can attach to
the to the notes called WeavingReiki into your life.

(38:58):
And so I'll do Reiki if I'mwatching something online or on
a television.
I'll do Reiki while I read.
I'll do Reiki in the car.
I'll do Reiki when I'm with thedogs, with the horses in nature.
Like I just try when I'mcooking, I just try to find

(39:19):
little ways to weave it in everyday.
And then I do a session once amonth with with Colleen, and I
find that I, maybe need a littlemore than some people do.

Karen (39:34):
No, my cat is attuned to Reiki and he gives me Reiki lot.

Pam (39:39):
My dog works in horses too.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Karen (39:43):
And, as if people decide to go the route of becoming a,
student of Reiki, which is alifetime, lifelong journey, you
find that it becomes a way oflife.
And it's almost it's not eventhinking about, I'm giving
myself a session, which is how Ifall asleep every night, But But
it becomes your way of life.

(40:03):
You're, you incorporate Reikiinto everything like you're
saying.

Pam (40:08):
I agree.
I agree.
What is, Oh, and so selfsessions, and what would be the
difference between Reikisessions, receiving sessions and
a class?
What would you say to that?

Karen (40:24):
Oh, When people decide to move from receiving sessions
from me to taking a class, tome, it's a big spiritual shift.
Yeah.
It's, their firstacknowledgement of, Oh, I can

(40:44):
initiate this.
I don't have to depend on Karen.
To get me Reiki.
I have this connection myself.
And that is the start of everybig spiritual journey, I think.
So that's, what I would sayfirst off.

Pam (40:57):
I love that answer.
That's, better than my answer.

Karen (41:03):
It was too woo.
Cause I mentioned I used toteach poetry.
Yeah.
Now what's the practical answer,ma'am?

Pam (41:10):
Oh gosh.
Yeah.
They, I feel peop I'm like you,I feel people step into their.
when they're, when they areready to start taking classes on
their own and ready for theirvibration to, to raise, they
really step into their power andthey take responsibility for

(41:32):
themselves.
They don't have to depend on us.
And they can still, they stillcould still get a session,
always come to us and alwayshave a session.
But I get very excited I guessif we were doing this for
economic purposes, we would justwant people to continue doing
sessions with us forever.
But it's never about that.
It's always about Empoweringpeople.

(41:55):
Empowering people.
Agree.
Do you want people to, learn andgrow and and we were talking
before we started recordingabout the Reiki business book.
Like you, even when you teachpeople at the master level, you
want them to have a successfulbusiness.
They're, their success does notnegatively impact yours.

(42:18):
You want your, it's likefledglings.
You want your students to, andyour clients to succeed and
these classes and then steppingforward on their own journeys
and their own path with Reiki,it's so beautiful to, I
sometimes get a littleoverwhelmed that we get to
witness that, don't you?

(42:39):
Yeah,

Karen (42:40):
absolutely.
Just

Pam (42:42):
get to witness, watching people just heal some, maybe
some significant traumas thathave held them back and then
watching them.
take a class and step into theirpower and yeah, it's, we have
the best job in the world.

Guest (43:02):
bar none.

Pam (43:04):
Those are the most common questions that people Google and
I'd really like to open it up toyou guys now and just ask if
you, I hope that you have somequestions for us as well.

Karen (43:21):
No, Stacy had a paper full

Pam (43:25):
Do you have some questions written down, Stacy?

Guest (43:28):
And so I was writing down almost everything you said, but
what's the difference betweenHoly Fire three and Kaurna?

Karen (43:42):
Yep.

Pam (43:44):
I'm so confused.
Great question.
Everybody gets confused aboutthat, Stacy.
So that is a fantastic question.
Do you wanna take that one,Karen?

Karen (43:53):
Yeah.
So let me clarify.
You are asking what is thedifference in the energy between
holy fire three?
You say master level?
Yeah, because holy fire threemaster level.
Yeah.
Okay.
Like I'm a level, like

Guest (44:05):
I'm a master in holy fire, but then I see the Kaurna
and I'm like, Oh no, I'm missingsomething.
Like I missed, Oh.

Karen (44:12):
Like why would I wanna take Kaurna?
Yeah.
That's, a really good question.
I would say half of my masterstudents are, feel called to
take Kaurna and then whenthey'll ask me why would I want
to take Kaurna?
And I wasn't called to it rightaway.
I think it's after I worked withthe energy for a while and I
became curious and then Istarted looking into it.

(44:32):
For me, Kaurna is, and I thinkwe consider it maybe our highest
level.

Pam (44:38):
Yes, it is.
It's an advanced master class.

Karen (44:41):
Yeah.
It is an advanced master class.
And Kaurna means compassionateaction and it's, to me the, next
step after.
Have worked with the energy,you've learned some master
techniques.
You've been working with theenergy for at least six months
and you are on on a spiritualpath.

(45:03):
And the Kaurna, Reiki gives youeight more symbols, the very
specific frequencies forspecific healing.
And to me the energy's morefeminine as well.
So it's to me we also dochanting and toning.
It's it's, some advanced Reikimaster techniques, but it's also

(45:24):
different frequencies.
So, the fine tune, the healingthat you're doing, if that makes
any sense.
Okay.
Thank you.

Pam (45:33):
And yeah, I would agree.
We it, most people get confusedabout what it is.
Stacy, but Kaurna Reiki is anadvanced masterclass.
So one of the requirements ofKaurna Reiki is that you must
have been at the master levelfor at least six months before

(46:00):
you take Kaurna.
And sometimes people think thisis, this arbitrary, this cuz we
ask people, you can study levelone and two together or separate
as you choose and as yourteacher teaches.
And then we ask people to waitat least six months to do the
masters and then we would askpeople to work at the master

(46:21):
level, at least six months to doKaurna.
And this might sound a littlearbitrary, but having taught
Reiki since 2011 every once in awhile you'll have a student say
can I take it after five monthsor whatever?
Or five and a half.
And every so often I have madethe exception if it was for a

(46:47):
good reason.
And I noticed that thosestudents, even in five months,
aren't quite as ready for themaster level than is if they've
had at least six months.
And for some of the students, itwas the best idea for sure, for
whatever they were dealing with.
They needed the master level.

(47:08):
I think I did it once with aterminal.
Client who is no longer terminaland who is no evidence of
disease.
Yeah, and I think I also did itwith someone who really needed
one of the techniques in themaster level for what she was
dealing with.
I know I did.
I just did that last week.

(47:29):
And, but and, I'm happy thatthose two or three students came
a little bit early, but even alittle bit early I, could tell
like, Oh, another month and youwould've been more ready for
this, like you, And the same atthe Kaurna master level.
And it can be from any lineage.

(47:50):
The same, you don't need to, Weteach Holy Fire Reiki, Karen and
I do with the I C rt and the ICT also supports you sui Tibetan
Reiki.
and you sometimes people think Imust ha, I guess I have to start
back at level one and two beforeI take Holy fire masters because

(48:11):
my Reiki one and two wasn't withholy fire.
No, you don't.
You like from any lineage, onelevel one and two can go to the
master level and from anylineage of a master can study
Kaurna, Reiki.
There's just that six monthtimeframe in between and It's

(48:32):
mostly just.
So that you can become familiarwith the energy so that you're
ready for the next episode andhold.
And when we say ready, we mean

Karen (48:41):
Your, energy field becomes attuned to Reiki, and so
it's jarring until, and you needabout six months to Oh, okay, I
think I got this now.
And then you play with it, andyou work with it, and then, that
is that's part of you then.
And then, it's Okay, hit meagain.

(49:04):
ready I'm ready for eight more,I think.
And then it's, and then it's alittle ugh.
But, you're already, Oh, I hateto say higher, cuz I don't mean
that in a snobby way.
now I'm this, I don't mean that.
Yeah, I just, But I do mean thatyou're vibrating at a higher

Pam (49:21):
frequency.
Yeah, Karen.
The Reiki class brings you to ahigher frequency of vibration
every class.
And it's not linear.
I tell people you can.
You can be a Kaurna Reiki masterand take a Reiki level one and
two classes.
That's why Karen and I lovereviewing classes and it can
rock your world cuz it's gonnatake you higher again.

(49:44):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I love that answer yourquestion.

Guest (49:47):
Yeah, it did.

Karen (49:49):
Thank you.
Thanks, Stacy.

Pam (49:51):
Does anybody and Cat, I'm sorry I didn't see you in the
waiting room,

Guest (49:56):
No, You actually, I wasn't waiting long.
No, I wasn't good.

Pam (49:59):
Sorry I'm late.
That's okay.
I just, I didn't see you come inand then I, opened something up
and saw you there and I hopedyou hadn't waited long.
Yeah.
Margie, do you have a question?
Oh, you're muted.
It's the only thing I'm justgonna ask you

Karen (50:14):
to, Hi, Margie.
Hi.
Hi.
My

Pam (50:20):
question is about spirit releases.
And I know it's taught

Guest (50:25):
in Holy Fire Master and also

Pam (50:27):
taught in

Guest (50:29):
Kaurna Master.
So

Pam (50:31):
I guess from what you just said, I guess

Karen (50:35):
the Spirit release techniques is

Pam (50:38):
in the Kaurna is more advanced than the one in Holy
Fire Master?

Karen (50:42):
No, actually, because Kaurna open to all the lineages.
Not all, not every masterlineage teaches a spirit release
technique.

Pam (50:54):
So, we may have students coming

Karen (50:55):
from Susiki ROK and they haven't learned the spirit
release, so we do it again inthe Kaurna so that we catch
everybody.

Pam (51:06):
Yeah.
Oh, does that, So it's reallythe same technique.
And so you do have a slightlyhigher frequency to work with.
Yeah.
When you're at the Kaurna.
Level, but the technique is thesame.
And I find people, Karen, thattake the spirit release at when

(51:27):
they become a holy fire Reikimaster.
And even when they use it a bit,they love to learn.
They love to review it.
Yeah.
And Kaurna level because it isprobably it's a really advanced
technique and it's probably oneof the things we have the most
questions about Yeah.

Karen (51:48):
And so it's good to and, also you get a, after working
with it, sometimes I teach itand master, and I have the same
student back in Kaurna I'm like,have you done a spirit
attachment?
No but then sometimes peoplehave Yeah more.
And then so they do, they havemore questions.
So they're learning, like Pamsaid, they're learning it the

(52:11):
same thing again but they'recoming from a higher
perspective.
I have done it now, I have somequestions.
What about this?
What about that?
Yeah,

Pam (52:20):
Good point.
Karen, does that help?
Margie, does that answer yourquestion?
Yes.

Karen (52:25):
Yeah.
Cause I, I heard that

Pam (52:28):
it's very common for people to have a, spirit attachment.
It's very unusual to findsomeone who doesn't have
anything.
Yeah, they do.
Angel.
Yes.
I've only ever encountered oneperson who in the Reiki session
I went to do spirit release andthere was nothing there.

(52:49):
And in the whole, in thethousands of people that I've
worked with, and I went.
Whoa, And she wasn't a Reikipractitioner either, and she
wasn't doing this.
And I was like,

Karen (52:59):
I don't know what you're doing, but keep doing it.
You don't get out much, do you?

Pam (53:08):
But the we think of spirit release and I know I did a,
podcast about that with JenniferTaylor.
We think of it as being big badenergies and demons and things
like that.
And it can be but the reason weteach it at the holy fire level

(53:29):
is that the holy fire energy hasdominion, oversouls, They have
to listen to it.
So it's very effective.
But it can also be things likeconditions or diseases or even
addictions.
Those are all, it's any energythat has a level of

(53:49):
consciousness.
So if you think of it about itmultiple sclerosis has a
consciousness, Alzheimer'sfibromyalgia, and even minor
cold and flu.
There is a level ofconsciousness cancer, and that's

(54:10):
one of the tools that I find.
Has been the most helpful inassisting people with chronic or
serious illnesses is you, One ofthe questions you ask is you
just ask the energy, how manyspirit releases is it gonna take

(54:30):
before we can release the energyof this condition or this
illness from someone?
And then you, gauge how manysessions that you're going to
need based on that.
Does, Makes sense.
Yeah,

Karen (54:48):
that does.
Does it?
It would also, would

Pam (54:51):
it, That's physical illnesses, would it also include
like a mental illness?
Yes.
Maybe multiple personalitydisorder.
Why somebody would I realizesomebody can have a trauma in
this current lifetime.
I don't know if they even if itdid come originally from that,
or maybe they would be morevulnerable, because I think if

(55:15):
somebody's very frightened they,somehow attract more kind of
fearful spirits or somethinglike that.
Schizophrenia.
That's correct.
And I think that sometimes ofcourse when you do have some
attached, your energy's a littlelow and, so you can get more,
and I've used this technique forsome people with mental health

(55:39):
conditions.
But one thing I'm always verycautious of is, suggesting that
this doesn't take the placeright.
Of psychiatric care or your, andit doesn't and, please, I'll
stop your medication.
Continue keeping your Medicaidtaking your medication.

(56:02):
Exactly.
Karen I've had some tremendoussuccess with people with bipolar
disorder.
Personally, I've never workedwith anyone with schizophrenia.
I don't know if it would behelpful.
It couldn't hurt.
And it would be reallyinteresting to maybe work
alongside of a me of a mentalhealth.

(56:24):
professional or more studies inthat we need more studies in
that.
But with, even with the bipolarmedication, I've had a lot of
success with that.
And and, but we've all found itwas very important for our
client to continue with theirmedication, but it, really did
provide a significant amount ofrelief.

(56:45):
So I'm not sure about multiplepersonality disorder.
I just know that it can't hurt.
So it would be reallyinteresting to try it.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
Cause it's, complimentary not inplace of That's right.
It's, never alternative.
Yeah.
Thanks, Karen.
I, did you have something withthat, that you would add to that

(57:05):
or, I jumped into that one.
No, That's

Karen (57:08):
when you first.
because I did have a client withschizophrenia.

Pam (57:12):
Did you?
And we did.
Yeah.
How did it go?
Did it help?

Karen (57:16):
She I did a lot of spirit releases on her and, I'm not,
this is crazy.
I know this sounds crazy.
I'm not sure that the things shesaw weren't really there.

Pam (57:31):
And I've often wondered that Yeah.
If, people with these disordersare just a little bit more
sensitive and can see some ofthe things that many of us
cannot.

Karen (57:42):
And but the Reiki alone and she, would keep going off of
her meds and, it wasn't, Yeah itdidn't, It helped but, it didn't
cure, What am I trying?
That's what I'm trying to say.
Yeah.

Pam (57:56):
And then, and

Karen (57:57):
it sounds, I couldn't convince her like, You've got to
stay on your meds.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I don't know if it makesthem, This is why we need more
studies.
I don't know if it makes'em moreopen because.
They're in as a particularplace.
Things that I wonder about atnight when I can't sleep But but
I don't know.
But I did do, but it did releasethem.

(58:18):
There were things attached andthey did release over and over.

Pam (58:24):
One of my, one of my bipolar clients said that she
heard a voice and that as soonas we did the spirit release,
and she'd heard it all of herlife and, had been diagnosed
with, bipolar disorder at a veryyoung age.
And she said she stopped hearingthe voice after this.
And incidentally, it's sointeresting because there was a

(58:47):
study done on mental health andit wasn't mental health and
Reiki, it was just mentalhealth.
And it was a very broad study,university study.
And they, took people and theyscreened them and to make sure
that they didn't.
Have mental health issues.

(59:08):
And then they sent them out to,just as to a really wide range
of mental health, likecounselors and, hospital psych
wards and, psychiatrichospitals.
And just a really wide range ofmental health professionals.
And they said, answer everyquestion honestly, but say you

(59:31):
hear voices, that's the onlyquestion you're not gonna be
honest in answering.
And over 70, 5% were diagnosedwith a significant mental
illness and over 50% werediagnosed with more than one

Karen (59:51):
So, all of us clear and people go Nope, I don't hear
anything.
Yep.
That's why

Pam (59:55):
I think it's, it can be harder to open up your,
intuition to your intuition orgifts if it is clear audience
and if you hear voices, cuzthat's very much of a societal
norm.
If you hear voices, you might becrazy.
Yeah.
Which is unfortunate, but Kat,you had a question?

Guest (01:00:18):
Yeah.
Just going back to the commentyou made earlier.
asking the energy how manysessions somebody might need.
Is this

Pam (01:00:28):
done through dousing or is it's like a question you're
asking and getting a clearanswer on Yeah, that's such a

Karen (01:00:35):
good, Speaking of clear audience.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Pam (01:00:41):
What do you

Karen (01:00:42):
mean my energy?
Like you call it on the phone.
What do you do?

Pam (01:00:48):
I know one of the things that in my journey with Reiki is
that I really had shut down myintuition very hard purposefully
because I didn't wanna bebecause I am a little more
sensitive than, some people.
And I didn't want to beconsidered different or odd or

(01:01:09):
crazy.
And but a big part of my journeyhas been reopening my intuition
and.
Your intuition works.
It works with everybodydifferently.
Like some people we, were sayingclear audience.
Those are people that hearenergy.
There's clairvoyant people whosee pictures and, in their mind,

(01:01:30):
and there's people who who justhave a knowing and they don't
know why.
They know, but they know.
And there's all these differentways.
Some people smell energy, somepeople taste it.
Some people feel it in theirbody.
And some people just hearthoughts.

(01:01:52):
They're clear thinking, Theyjust, they hear thoughts and it
sounds like their own thought,but it may have a higher level
of guidance and other people usetheir imagination over time.
A lot of those opened for me.
And so I would, I just begantrusting my intuition more.

(01:02:13):
And so I would just, I wouldbegin the Reiki energy flowing
and I would just say, How manysessions are we going to need to
help this person with this issuethat they have said they need
help with?
And I would just pay attentionto what I would receive.
And sometimes I would just get alittle ping.
For me, my main gift was Claireknowing, and a lot of people who

(01:02:39):
have psychic abilities, that isa gift.
It was very difficult to learnto trust that but I learned how
to do, and so I learned to justget a ping you're gonna need
three sessions or you're gonnaneed seven sessions or one
session.
And I'd write it down and then Iwould take out my dowsing rods

(01:03:01):
and say, Is that right

Guest (01:03:04):
And I would

Pam (01:03:04):
verify with the dowsing rods and if the, dousing or the
pendulum, some people use apendulum or muscle testing, said
that my ping was right.
That was how I learned to trustmy intuition and sort of the,
little bits of knowledge that I,that would come in.

(01:03:26):
Karen, what would you say to.
I just put a link

Karen (01:03:31):
in the chat because I just wrote about guidance and
for my blog on September the30th, and I thought, Oh, cause
it's, called Steps to LivingYour Divine Purpose.
But it's the same thing, likehow do you, listen?
How do you listen?
So I just talked a little bitabout that.
It's, exactly what you said,Pam.

(01:03:52):
It's you, everybody has adifferent way of interpreting
those pings and it's, learningto trust.
And so for me it was likehealing a lot of trust issues,
trusting myself, trusting It'strusting in yourself.
I dunno.
If you've had, if you've beenlike, as nutty as I've been for

(01:04:14):
the grand majority of my life,it's it's like I don't, not only
do I not trust men and otherpeople, like I don't even trust
my own judgment.
Look what I've done.
So it was a, long process oflearning to trust.
Like I think that's what I heardand I like, yeah, dousing rods
or a pendulum like, am I hearingthis right?
That's, really good.
But you, get better at it, butyou just have.

(01:04:38):
Yeah, start trusting thatguidance.
But yeah, and if people arelistening to this it's, Reiki
hyphen institute.com.
Just step to trusting yourdivine purpose

Pam (01:04:49):
or something.
I'll put a link, Karen, inthere.
Okay.
Yeah.
Just put a link.
Yeah.
I copied it, so I'll

Karen (01:04:54):
put a link in there.
Yeah.
It's it's, a it's, hard, but youget better at it

Pam (01:05:01):
and in the meantime, try to listen first and, See what your
intuition's telling you, andthen go ahead and verify with
dousing or pendulum or somethinglike that until you, some
people, you just

Karen (01:05:13):
feel it in your body.
It's, you start to feel likereally gut response, Melissa?

Guest (01:05:22):
So that was my question first tonight too, is you, Pam
often talk about the Reikienergy tells you this or this
but you have all these voices inyour head,

Pam (01:05:34):
I know I would be

Karen (01:05:35):
locked up, wouldn't I?

Guest (01:05:38):
but so how do you discern that?
It's the Reiki energy tellingyou something.
And it's not just that I, andagain, I gu this is trusting you
again, it's trust but, I guessfrom a a scientific or a

(01:06:00):
practical point of view, youwanna say My brain says all
kinds of things to me.
So when this brain says, So Pam,like this voice said to you, You
need to sing at this place youwere going.
So if the voice said to you,Okay, Pam, you should sing on
American Idol, You'd be like,That's like how, That's my

(01:06:25):
question is how, do you tell thedifference?
Where do you, what is just thecraziness in your head?
Comes and goes.
And what is, there just aknowing that comes with Reiki or
a sense that Yeah, that's myquestion.
Sorry.
It's a weird question, but No,it's

Karen (01:06:45):
a

Pam (01:06:46):
asking question.
Yeah.
You know what, I'd love toanswer it because a big part of
my journey was learning tolisten.
And I, would have to say thatthe first 40 plus years of my
life was following my own agendaand following those voices in my
head.

(01:07:06):
And then I think I was 42 when Ilearned Reiki and and one of the
big.
Big things was learning what isthe Reiki guidance and what is
just my own ambition or my ownego telling me.
And in fact, it was so importantto me that this is what led to

(01:07:28):
the animal communication.
And I have to admit thatlearning animal communication
opened up that pathway for me tospiritual guidance as well.
In fact, it's one of the sideeffects of learning to
communicate with animals is thatit does open up your ability to

(01:07:50):
hear spiritual guidance a littlebit better.
So let me tell you, from theanimal communication class in,
in, in over time, I've reallyhad a lot of time to develop
this and, help people learn it.
A couple of things.
If it's your own voice in yourhead, it tries to convince.

(01:08:13):
It's you should do this becauseit sounds a little bit like a
used car salesman, and it's it'sgot all these reasons and also
it'll go over and you'll hear iton repeat and that sort of
thing.
That's your own unhealed, egoand personality trying to take

(01:08:33):
charge.
And there's nothing wrong withthat, but it's not your highest
source of guidance.
And so if you'd like to listenfrom a little bit higher source
of guidance you can tune in tothe Reiki Energy or source or a
guide if you, don't have to workwith a guide, but some people

(01:08:56):
like working with an angel or anArc angel or Mother Mary or
Jesus or Buddha or gha.
And So how do you tell thedifference?
And the difference is divineguidance doesn't try to convince
you at all.
It's usually very simple,succinct language, and the

(01:09:19):
instant that you become aware ofit, you can feel the truth of it
in your whole body, I think isthe best way I can describe it.
But there is something withReiki that you can do, and that
is you can use Reiki on yourthird eye, your brow chakra, and

(01:09:43):
even on your throat chakra,especially that a hand position
where you activate your Reikiand place it on both your third
eye and your throat chakra.
Or you can include your heart inthat wherever you're guided, and
you can say, Reiki, please helpme to develop the discernment,

(01:10:03):
to be able to tell thedifference.
And once you get aligned withthat, like once you get, I just
wrote an article and it,actually needs a bit of editing
before it can go out, but it's,I called it learning to listen
and then listening to learn.
So I first had to learn tolisten, and then once I learned

(01:10:25):
to listen, I was able to beginlistening.
To learn.
And that was both with theanimals and with Reiki.
And in the meantime, until Itrusted myself, I doused it
like, Hey, did I just make thatup or did that come from Reiki
or from you?

(01:10:46):
God like, where did that comefrom?
And I, doused it and it, took mequite a while of dousing to
really develop that discernment.
And I didn't know I could askReiki to help me with the
discernment.
I learned that later.

(01:11:06):
I wished I'd known that frontbecause I think it would've made
the learning process a lotsmoother and a lot easier.
Does that help, Melissa?
Does that answer your question?
Yeah, no that,

Guest (01:11:22):
at least gives me some tools to to discern which, what?
What's the

Karen (01:11:29):
answers?

Pam (01:11:30):
I

Karen (01:11:30):
just, and ask for?
Cause I still don't trust.
Okay.
We were talking before that I'mmoving to Ecuador.
That's a big move.
And I was like, What So I askedfor signs.
I asked for a specific sign.
A good one, Karen.
I asked for a specific sign.
I said, if this is what I'msupposed to do.
I asked to see, I haveconnection with like a praying

(01:11:52):
manti.
It's like a spirit totem for me.
And I hadn't seen one since lastyear.
So I said, If I'm supposed tomove to Ecuador, then I, you
need to show me, You need toshow me, Send me.
Send me a sign.
I wanna see a praying mantis.
Cause I haven't seen one sincelast June.
And I saw one, we went to theReiki retreat.
I saw one in Prescott, above mybathtub twice.
There was a, praying Manti inthe lobby of the Mago retreat at

(01:12:18):
the, And then I came home at one30 in the morning and, I am not
kidding you.
There was a mantis, I put it onFacebook cause I couldn't
believe it.
There's a mantis on my ceilingin my house at one 30 in the
morning.
And then two nights later I wentto bed and there's a mantis
right over my bed.
I'm like, and as soon as Istarted I, started, I posted

(01:12:38):
I'm, moving to Ecuador.
Apparently next year theystopped coming.
So I'm like, okay, that was mysign.
Cause I still something that'sI'm gonna pick up, move to
another real.
Really?
Okay, then you gonna have toshow me something on that one,
so ask for a sign.
But that's my question.

Guest (01:12:56):
So really it just says you should move to Ecuador.

Karen (01:12:59):
That's so bing.
No.
I had been thinking about it andthere was things popping up and
I was like and I was like, youshould go.
Okay.
Okay.
And oh, and the other thing was,I mentioned that I was thinking
about it to Jay our, mutualfriend, Jay Jackson.
He said, You are

Pam (01:13:17):
So,

Karen (01:13:17):
guess.
So we're going next month onNovember 15th.
I'm flying to Ecuador to checkout the place that I'm thinking
about moving.
I'm not sure exactly where, butI think it's this place.
And I'll ask for signs thatsounds cr Yeah, that does sound
crazy.
And I don't want my family togo, What?
But I explained and I said, I'mjust feeling now I'm say I feel

(01:13:40):
guided and I got signs.
I asked for verification.
I got the verification.
It needs to be something weirdenough that you go, Okay, this
can't, I'm not making this up.
I've got friends like Pam Do yousee this?
You see this?
This?
Yeah.
And just to make sure I'm, stillhere and yeah, it helps.

(01:14:01):
So just do that.

Guest (01:14:04):
I just wanted to hop on real quick

Pam (01:14:05):
and just say, I've noticed.
That with William, especiallywith William, that the types of

Guest (01:14:13):
questions that he asks the energy are so

Pam (01:14:18):
vital and so important to the discernment process.

Guest (01:14:22):
Yes.
And you can actually Reikijourney and in your

Pam (01:14:26):
Reiki journey

Guest (01:14:28):
drop into the energy and

Pam (01:14:30):
ask these important questions and the better and
more detailed the question is.
The more discernment

Guest (01:14:41):
you'll receive through the Reiki journey.
Colleen, the same.
William and Colleen.

Pam (01:14:50):
I, listen and learn from them

Guest (01:14:53):
tremendously

Pam (01:14:54):
because of the process that

Karen (01:14:57):
they take with the energy.

Pam (01:15:01):
Yeah, I agree with you Lauren.
And I was just I'm just gonna, Iwanna add to that if I could,
but I just wanna go back toKaren.
And the learning to trust andasking for a sign.
I used to always use Reiki andkinda, here's some guidance and
I'd say, Okay, if something justhappened or if this is true can

(01:15:23):
I have a sign?
And one day I heard veryclearly, I don't often hear
voices, but that day I did.
and I heard daughter, I havegiven you 384 signs.
It is time for you to have somefaith

Karen (01:15:41):
So

Pam (01:15:42):
I don't mean to say that I really understood it right

Karen (01:15:45):
from

Pam (01:15:46):
the beginning.
It's yeah.
And then I wanted to add to whatLauren said, because I love
this.
I was just in in New York withWilliam assisting him with a
class in.
At the Omega Institute the weekbefore last, and he said that he

(01:16:07):
asks those vital questions,Lauren, that you were talking
about.
Like he, he'll ask a question ofthe energy and I do that all the
time too.
And then he, lets go of anyattachment to the outcome.
And that's really important.
And he says he doesn't.
And, this is also reallyimportant, and I never thought
to mention this.

(01:16:27):
He doesn't get the answer rightaway.
He says the answer usually comeslater on when he is doing
something else and not thinkingabout it.
Suddenly the solution or theanswer will pop in.
And I know that one of thethings that I can, and you were
talking about William Rand andColleen Benelli, two of my, two

(01:16:48):
of our dear friends, and one ofthe things that I know William
does, and he, I can tell youthis, they're public about it or
he's public about it.
So, Colleen can be, ColleenBenelli is William's spiritual
advisor.
So he'll then take the answersthat he receives.
And he'll go verify them withher, and then they'll dive a

(01:17:11):
little deeper and they'll dojourneys together and see what
both of them see and comparetheir notes.
And so it, can be a reallyinteresting process.
But they, the answers will oftencome later when you're doing
something else.

Karen (01:17:29):
I can verify.
I've been talking to Pamsometimes and she'll say, This
just dropped in

Guest (01:17:38):
Yeah.

Pam (01:17:39):
Yeah.
I, must say that listening hasprobably been one of the biggest
parts of my journey in order tobe.
Really effective working withanimals.
And I've worked with animals allmy life.
But more more prominently since2009 I've, become a horse

(01:18:02):
trainer.
And you have to listen with yourmind, your body, your soul, your
spirit, all of your chakras, allof your perceptions, all
everything, every part of your,and you're listening for your,
you're listening and observing,and you're watching for just
subtle shifts, subtle thingsthat tell you when a horse has

(01:18:26):
had too much or, had enough.
And if you take them anyfurther, they're gonna explode
or what you really have to getgood at that.
And, I've noticed that theanimal Reiki course Is very much
about developing your ability toperceive with all of the parts

(01:18:51):
of yourself.
There's quite a few exercisesthat really open your, abilities
there.
And then I do some exercises,certainly in the animal
communication as well.
And then Lauren, you mentionedjourneying.
Colleen Benelli teachesjourneying and I, learned that

(01:19:11):
in my Sha studies years ago.
That's another fantastic way tojust open your perceptions to
receive great questions, youguys.
Anything else you guys?

Guest (01:19:35):
I have one, but it requires probably a long
explanation, so I don't know ifyou want me to Sei save it till
November.
It's

Karen (01:19:43):
just now you've picked our curiosity.

Pam (01:19:47):
What is it?
Yeah, We need to know.
And maybe we'll do a wholepodcast.

Karen (01:19:51):
Yeah, I was gonna say seven o'clock.

Guest (01:19:55):
What are the advantages of taking the I C R T teaching
course compared to justpersonally?
I can give Reiki to someone, butin my heart, I don't feel like
Karen or Pam, you guys are likegods to me.
You like You have all thetraining.

(01:20:16):
How much training am I missingby taking a three day class?
When you guys do a thousandhours of training, there's a lot
that I don't know

Karen (01:20:26):
You could still do it.
It's it's exper.
Okay.
Pam, you may

Pam (01:20:29):
wanna say something.
It's experience.
You go ahead.
Karen and I, do have somethingon that for sure.
But

Karen (01:20:38):
I, was doing a clubhouse presentation once and somebody
said, Oh, I'm only level oneReiki.
And I said Mrs.
Dikata practiced in Hiya, she'sclinic with only, level one
Reiki for year.
And it's, about, we're all onan, individual path.
I'm not even sure if I'maddressing your question, but

(01:20:58):
you, just, you take the trainingthat you get and you continue
to, expand it

Pam (01:21:03):
And you, Oh, go ahead.
Go ahead.
No, go ahead.
I thought, Stacy it's reallyinteresting because I, have
people say that and.
I wrote an article about the I CR T training, but it's not for
everyone.
You might get a nudge like I didand like Karen did Hey, go do an
extra thousand hours of trainingbecause you wanna be the best

(01:21:27):
you can be at this, right?
For your students.
But I wanna tell you that Itaught for five years before I
got that nudge.
And when I did get the nudge,Hey, go do an extra thousand
hours of training, I said, Areyou kidding me?
Is that really necessary?
I don't wanna do that.

(01:21:48):
And, yet it's, I have to say asmuch as I resisted it, it's some
of the best advice Reiki evergave me.
I got to meet Karen and Williamand Colleen and, Kathy, and just
our beautiful Reiki family thatwe're part of, but.
I wanna share this with you cuzit's really neat.

(01:22:10):
When I became a licensed teacherwith all that extra training, a
student who had studied with melike seven years before came
back and, did a class.
And this is it was 2000 and,sorry, it was 2016 when I got
the nudge.
So yeah, I taught for fiveyears.
I didn't get accepted till 2018.
So I taught for seven yearsbefore doing the extra training.

(01:22:34):
And one of my students that hadlearned with me early on came to
a class after I had done theextra training.
And this is what she said to me,thank goodness, because she, had
done level one and then when Iwas teaching the class seven
years later, she came back forlevel one and two.
So she reviewed level one andshe did her level two.

(01:22:57):
And what she said to me, I neverthought of this, but it was
profound.
I'm so glad I found you.
Before when you were just new atthis, cuz I wouldn't have been
ready for the way that you'reteaching now.
Like I'm ready now, but Iwouldn't have been ready for

(01:23:17):
this seven years ago.
So she was very thankful that Iwent ahead and taught before I
had all the extra training.
And then when later on when shewas ready, she was happy I had
the extra training But I guessthat's just to say.
the student finds the teacherthat's right for them.

(01:23:39):
And you don't have to be alicensed teacher.
William Will, William Rand willsay that too.
It's not the path for everybody.
But it's, for me,

Guest (01:23:50):
I've been considering it's a donut and Sedona.
However, I think in my heartit's, I'm just drawn to it
because of the amazing.
That's, that comes from it.
Like I don't feel like I can'tpractice with not doing it
right.
I just feel like I need to Ifeel calling, like I need to get
in there.

(01:24:10):
I go.
It's.
It just sounds very daunting todo it a thousand hours.
But it's also on your owntimeline, right?

Karen (01:24:25):
Yeah.
You've got time.
How do you eat an elephant?
One bite at a time.
I don't eat

Pam (01:24:29):
elephants, Karen

Karen (01:24:33):
It's just one step at a time.

Pam (01:24:37):
No, it is.
It's uh, it's one of thosethings that if you're called to
it you, have a mentor first ofall that helps you through.
And probably one of the biggestthings I found, Karen, is my
confidence level.
My relationship with Reikichanged.
It was always strong, but it goteven stronger and more profound.

(01:24:58):
And and then I became a lot moreconfident.
And I love the camaraderie ofour wonderful group, and I love
having a mentor.
What about you?

Karen (01:25:09):
Yeah.
Everything she said, Yeah.
No, it's I think what wasdriving me honest, to be honest
at the beginning was my academicbackground being a college
professor, and I thought, Ohmust do become a licensed

(01:25:30):
teacher.
I'm gonna have any credibilityin this field.
But that's, I think that's whyI, responded to Stacy like you
can get, you don't have to havethe degree that you know.
Yeah.
It's.
But it has really been justamazing.
And then it, started, that wasmy initial thrust was like, Oh,
if I'm going to do this fulltime, I need to go and really do

(01:25:52):
it properly.
But then I got in, I was like,Oh no, There's just more and
more.
And, it's, yeah.
It's following those signs likewe were talking Melissa is it
this, I'm

Guest (01:26:06):
gonna ask to see a pretty Manus

Karen (01:26:08):
now Or you just say, If this is what's supposed to
happen, I'm gonna, I'm gonnamagically get the$500 to apply
cuz I sure don't have it.
And then poof, it falls in yourhand and go, Okay, then here I'm
gonna.
Turn in the application.
If I'm supposed to do this,they're gonna, I'm gonna pass
the psychological exam.

(01:26:28):
You just go step by step and,Okay, next thing you know, look
at me, Seriously though thatit's, but you just you, go, you
start from where you are andwhat you are, but don't, feel
like you're less than thinkthat's my, I want you to feel
like you're less than Causedon't feel like you's not

(01:26:49):
feeling.

Guest (01:26:49):
I don't feel less than, I feel like there's

Pam (01:26:52):
more.
There's

Karen (01:26:53):
more.
Okay, good.
Good.
Because there is more.
There is more.

Guest (01:26:57):
I feel like I need to like, it's like I just tapping.

Pam (01:27:01):
If you've got a calling then you sign up.

Guest (01:27:05):
You go.

Pam (01:27:08):
Cause we'd love to have you

Guest (01:27:11):
Yeah, I'll think I will.
You know what I will do it.
You'll send you a picture of mypraying manti, cuz I'll get one.

Karen (01:27:21):
See?

Pam (01:27:22):
You what I'll, tack in that article onto this podcast as
well, the article that I wroteabout becoming a licensed
teacher.
It's got links to where you goif that's a Oh, okay.
Perfect.
To you.
And it just kinda walks youthrough a little bit of my
process, but it also talks tosome of the other licensed
teachers.
And for me, a big thing was whenI met them at my first Reiki.

(01:27:46):
I could feel me too, theirhigher vibration.
And before that I thought, Idon't see the sense of this
program.
I don't know why.
And that's why when the energysaid you're to do this program,
I argued a little bit, but thenwhen I met them, I was so
impressed.

(01:28:07):
With every single licensedteacher I met I could feel the
vibration of them.
They felt like home.

Karen (01:28:14):
It felt like home.
Exactly.
Felt like home to me.
I know y'all.
This is where I belong.
Yeah.

Guest (01:28:23):
Karen felt that way to me.
I just love her.
She's so outgoing and funny andit felt like I knew all of you
from a past lifetime.
So it's, We

Pam (01:28:34):
probably did, Stacy probably

Guest (01:28:36):
and I hate even say that, but even more than my feelings
towards William I didn't feelthat comfort or like I belonged
with him.
But you guys just, you're, yourpower just shines, right?
Both of you, you're, It's justlike you're glowing.
It's, yeah,

Karen (01:28:53):
it's crazy.
It's the lighting

Pam (01:29:00):
No, I.
I agree.
I was so impressed with mycolleagues that I went, I think
I wanna be part of that club.
Nevermind Reiki, I'm sorry, Iargued.
That's, those are my people.
And, I'd like to be asprofessional and as
knowledgeable of that as them.
And I remember my first classwith Colleen Benelli.
Cammi, Kote and I were werereviewing it together and after

(01:29:24):
the level one and two class, cuzmy classes I used to read quite
a bit from the manual andthere's nothing wrong with that.
But I remember Cammy and Ilooking at each other, driving
home, going, she

Karen (01:29:35):
didn't open her manual once and she did the whole

Guest (01:29:40):
class.

Pam (01:29:41):
I hope they don't expect us to do that And then I remember
it was about a year laterlittle, just a year and a month
later, I was coming back fromhaving taught in Australia and I
realized, wait a minute.
I didn't open my manual once Ijust taught because of the way
that, that, I guess we learn somuch, don't we Karen?

(01:30:03):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Karen (01:30:04):
Ken, did you have a question or were you just
feeling the error

Pam (01:30:08):
that earlier?
That was my son just called me.
Oh.
Oh, okay.

Karen (01:30:12):
I saw mom soon.
Mama.
It's okay.
Oh gosh.
It's dark and I've got my dooropen.
I think frogs are coming in myhouse.
Oh dear.

Pam (01:30:21):
The cats

Karen (01:30:22):
will have fun with that.
Do you still have are, you gonnado a Reiki share?

Pam (01:30:26):
Something?
We're, at time, so I'm gonnaleave it to people.
We're, I'm gonna say thank youso much for joining us and
Namaste, and if any of you thatare here for the share want to
stay on, I'm gonna welcome youtoo.
But thank you for all thoselistening for checking out our
podcast.
We hope we answered some of yourquestions too.

Karen (01:30:46):
You did.
Thank you.
Thanks.

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