February 27, 2024 • 30 mins
Have you ever considered the lives you live within this one lifetime? Join me, Julie Basello, as I chat with Susan Drummond, a woman whose story of resilience and transformation is nothing short of extraordinary. Susan lays bare the intimate details of her spiritual connection, the heartbreak of her mother's illness, and the courage it took to navigate through her six metaphorical 'past lives.' Together, we unravel the rich tapestry of her life, taking you through the evolution of her soul and the creation of her sanctuary for healing, Center Life in Balance. Prepare to be inspired as Susan demonstrates the profound strength we can harness by embracing the winds of change.
This episode promises more than just a narrative—it's an arsenal of strategies for anyone standing at the crossroads of reinvention. We delve into the nitty-gritty of self-care, tuning into intuition, and overcoming the fears that often keep us anchored to the shore. From the simple yet powerful act of writing down fears to liberate oneself, to the bold step of ending a long-standing marriage, Susan's experiences serve as a beacon for navigating life's complex waters. You'll walk away from this conversation equipped with practical tools and the courage to sail towards your own horizons of personal discovery and growth.
Guest: Susan Drummond, The Center-Life in Balance (Medford, NJ)
https://www.njbalance.com/
Host: Julie Basello, Basello Media
https://www.juliebasello.com
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Julie Basello (00:03):
Have you ever wanted to start over, to
reinvent yourself?
Reinvention is something we alldo at some point in our lives.
Sometimes it's simple,sometimes it's complicated, but
it's often necessary to lead afulfilling life, and it's always
interesting.
I'm your host, julie Bassello.
Join me for some inspiration asI share reinvention stories,
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tips and tricks from real peoplejust like you.
Let's explore reinventionadventures together.
Hey, it's Julie.
Welcome to another episode ofReinvention Adventures, the
podcast where we explore theincredible journeys of
individuals who have embarked onthe path of self-discovery and
transformation.
I've been looking forward tothis episode's conversation
(00:44):
because it's a really greatreinvention story, but I also
really like this human and Iwant her to be able to share her
spirit with you.
We all know that reinventioncan be really difficult.
In previous episodes, I'vespoken about how life changes
and life-altering events canoften be the impetus for
reinvention.
Sometimes you just don't have achoice but to change, and you
can fight it or you can embraceit, but either way it's going to
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happen.
Choosing to embrace it can makeit a much more productive and a
lot less painful process.
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Now let me introduce you to myguest.
Susan Drummond is the owner andoperator of the Center Life in
Balance.
24 years ago she started herpractice with the intention of
helping people heal Immediately.
Her spiritual team told her toopen a wellness center.
24 years ago there were no suchthings, so she asked them to
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wait a bit so she could be ready.
Through the journey, the CenterLife in Balance was born.
The Center Life in Balanceoffers services and workshops to
balance body, mind and spirit.
When she was a child, she wasvery connected to spirit and to
God.
Then life took an unexpectedturn when her mother became very
ill.
At that point, she shut it alldown and went along doing her
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thing.
Somehow, the universe found away to open her back up to be of
service to others.
She's had six past lives inthis lifetime.
That's six reinventions forthose of you keeping track.
I cannot wait to dig into this.
Susan, welcome to ReinventionAdventures.
I'm so excited you're here.
Susan Drummond (02:29):
Thank you so much for having me.
I am excited to be here.
Julie Basello (02:33):
I'm so excited for you to be here too.
You can tell just like I'vebeen vibrating about this.
I want others to hear yourstory and you'd be able to share
your story.
I really want to just kickthings off if you're ready.
Are you ready?
I am ready, Awesome.
So your personal and yourprofessional reinvention
journeys have been interestingand Six Past Lives like.
(02:55):
Can you talk a little bit abouthow you know that and how it's
helped you on your journey?
Susan Drummond (03:00):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
And again, you mentioned when Iwas a child, life was perfect,
Perfect childhood.
Fifth child in an Italianfamily loving parents.
Julie Basello (03:12):
You're one of five, that's crazy, what Five.
I'm the fifth.
Susan Drummond (03:17):
And it was lovely.
I had a connection to God, whatI called God and perceived to
God I would actually communicateand hear the communication back
and just felt so secure, sohappy.
Life was a joy.
Julie Basello (03:34):
That's so cool.
Susan Drummond (03:35):
It was very cool until the rug got snapped out
and, very unexpected, my motherbecame ill, and she, of course,
was the center of everything.
Julie Basello (03:47):
Yes, in an Italian family, mothers are the
center of everything.
Susan Drummond (03:50):
Oh yes, and she was home with us and, being the
fifth one when she was a littleolder when she by time she had
me I got all the joy of it I got.
We could eat lunch together inthe living room, we didn't have
to be at the kitchen, I didn'thave to make my bed every day
like the other siblings.
So it was fun.
But then she did become ill andfrom her surgeries and her
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complications she literallyovernight became brain damaged.
At that time I'm 11 years oldand you know what happened.
None of us knew what happened.
We're gone back 40, some yearsago.
We just went on autopilot.
My dad, god love him, he wenton autopilot just taking care of
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the love of his life.
This whole new adventure andthe 11-year-old kind of got left
to the side.
A little bit understandably now, but that 11-year-old didn't
understand it Exactly.
So that was number one lifetimefrom that perfect fairy tale to
holy smokes, I'm 11.
I'm cooking, I've got to clean,I've got to do these different
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things, wow, but just went alonguntil it didn't get any better.
So it was five years of thisbefore my mom passed and I just
shut.
That's when I shut it all down.
There couldn't be a God, therecouldn't be anything of light
and love, because it was rough,yeah, and I just shut it down.
(05:18):
I shut me down and didn'treally care about anything.
And you were 16 at this point.
When she passed, I was 16.
Wow, yes, wow Went off, kind ofjust did my own thing, did
whatever.
And this is the nextreinvention when I was 20, a
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universe, god, tapped me on theshoulder and said whoa, you know
, this is it, we can't have youdoing this, we need you a little
bit.
And went through the nextreinvention and realized that
there was more to life than whatI was doing.
I couldn't.
I had lots of help to believeme, but what just wasn't all my
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own and decided, you know, gotmyself back together and thought
, well, now I can go on mydreams and I married and I had
children and did what I thoughtI was supposed to do, got that
job in corporate and did mything.
And I realized, you know, Iwasn't happy.
Julie Basello (06:19):
Did you feel like you were suffocating?
Yeah, I felt like I wassuffocating.
Yeah, I felt like.
Susan Drummond (06:24):
I was suffocating.
It felt like I didn't know whoI was.
I didn't have opportunity toeven ask who I was.
I was being what I thought Iwas supposed to be Right and
trying to make everyone happy,and went through that phase
until I had another opportunity,through more traumas.
(06:47):
My niece, my young niece, andmy dad became ill and being
there for them and now I was anadult so I could be there.
I wasn't the 11 year old.
I could be present, I couldhelp them, I could be with them,
but that was traumatic also, soa lot of your reinventions
happen through trauma, I mean,as they often do.
(07:10):
Yes, Through, yeah, and what Ibelieve now is that is universes
, or God's way to say wait aminute.
We love you so much.
We got to get your attention,because if it's smooth and easy
and we're just doing the minimum, we're not going to make any
changes half the time.
Julie Basello (07:28):
Now I do.
Susan Drummond (07:29):
Now after all this, but not back then.
Right.
Julie Basello (07:32):
You've learned as the path has gone on.
But yeah, you're right, mostpeople, most people, don't go
through life and never learnthat Right.
Susan Drummond (07:40):
Right, there are some.
So now I can look back withgratitude, but going through it,
not the same Right.
So I was able to then have theopportunity through that,
through my husband, after yearsof a steady employment, actually
getting laid off but it changedto severance and getting a new
job.
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That it was like, hey, I coulddo what I felt called to do,
which was actually go intomassage therapy and Reiki and
the healing arts.
Julie Basello (08:10):
Right.
Susan Drummond (08:10):
So I had that opportunity, so I went and did
that and then when I startedtouching people, it all opened
up again.
Wow, all of the spiritual notwhat I intended, because when I
shut it down, I shut it down, Ikind of locked it Right, so for
it to come back out was like, ohokay.
And then that's when I had theopportunity to begin my first
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business, start the business,and that's when my spiritual
team came in and said, hey,you're 24 years ago open that
wellness center.
And I said, hey, I don't knowwhat that is.
So can you wait?
The youngest is too little, canyou wait a little bit?
And they did.
Julie Basello (08:49):
Now let's talk about that for a second that you
refer to your spiritual teamtwice so far.
Can you clarify for anyonelistening what that is?
Susan Drummond (08:56):
Yes, I do believe, and as an intuitive
medium, I do believe we all havea spiritual team and that team
is typically past loved ones,and you could say spirit guides
or angels.
I really do believe us all thesame energy.
We come into this human formand then we leave this human
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form.
So we don't necessarily die, wejust change energy, we just
change that vibration.
So all of those loved ones thatwere here with us in the human
form are still with us and if wecan slow down, take a pause now
and then we can sense them andreceive their guidance.
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We all have free will.
So if we don't pause and say,hey, could you guys please help
me?
They can't.
They're of a vibration of total, unconditional love.
They don't have the human anger, resentment, frustration that's
what's left behind, that's whatgets buried or cremated, all
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that stuff.
So then we have this perfectenergy that, after all of this
trauma and such, I began totrust again.
My mother was a part of thatspiritual team.
I could feel that I'm sure shewas.
And when it was, this messagecoming straight through hey, do
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this, it was like, ok, it justdidn't feel I was ready.
And again, time and space ishuman.
Spirit doesn't have time andspace.
So they're like sorry, go ahead,honey.
Whatever you need, do yourthing, we'll be here.
Right, and it was specificbecause I actually said could
you wait till the youngest is inhigh school?
It was 10 years, Julie.
(10:50):
Wow, she started high school,say September 3, september 5.
We signed the lease to theFirst Wellness Center.
They didn't mind.
But in that 10 years I built adatabase, I built a reputation,
I built all this, the footwork.
It just happened.
I didn't plan to necessarily.
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But again, turning it over to asource, to your intuition, we
all have that gut instinct If wepause just for a moment here
and there to tap into it andhear it, because we also have
lots of ways to turn that off.
We could have four morecocktails, we could have six
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more pieces of cake, we could dothings to shut that down.
We could keep busy, busy, busy,busy.
Then we don't ever pick upanything.
So that pause is important.
I could say meditation it is,but sometimes meditation scares
the crap out of everybody.
Julie Basello (11:54):
Yeah, and sometimes people just don't know
how to do it right.
It's definitely, meditationtakes practice.
Susan Drummond (12:00):
Absolutely, and that's why they call it a
meditation practice.
You stick with it.
That's a whole nother episode Iwould love to come back and
talk about it.
Julie Basello (12:08):
Great, we'll do it.
Susan Drummond (12:10):
So many different ways to meditate, but
if you just look at it as apause, and that pause can be
three deep breaths, that pausecan be counting to 20.
So, whatever it is to just slowdown a bit, to kind of connect.
So we started that firstwellness center.
I had a business partner, whichwas wonderful, but also at that
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time, stepping out into thisnew, I was going through
personal changes as well.
I was getting to a point whereI was thinking, maybe this isn't
everything that I wantPersonally, but I wasn't giving
myself any permission to lookinto that.
I wasn't pausing because itscared me.
(12:56):
So when it came to the businesspart of it, I wasn't trusting
myself there either and I wouldspeak what I was feeling, that
gut feeling, that knowing, anddidn't always mesh with the
partner and I would always say,oh, okay, I must be wrong, maybe
this is the better way it went.
(13:18):
Okay, it went along.
But I wasn't being true to me.
I wasn't doing all the selfcare.
I was in the position ofservice and not fully
understanding the importancethat service, self care, has to
be on self first than others.
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I didn't understand that atthat time.
I just thought, oh, my goodness, I'm being called to do this.
I have to just give, give, give, serve, serve, serve.
I lost the trust in me.
Julie Basello (13:51):
It sounds like you were in people pleaser mode
almost.
You were like well, how can Iplease everyone and not just
serve?
And they say you have to takecare of yourself before you can
take care of others.
Susan Drummond (14:02):
Right, so that is the absolute truth, because
by not listening to me, by notpausing for myself, I was just
following someone else's path,if you will.
Julie Basello (14:17):
Yeah, we all do it at times in our lives and you
know reinvention being a verydifficult path sometimes.
Oh, absolutely, you know, youknow firsthand.
So people tend to to look toothers and they do sometimes
follow the path of others ratherthan what feels true to them.
I think we've all followed thattraditional path that we
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thought was expected of usbefore we.
We learned that we need to betrue to ourself and who we are.
But it takes time to learn whoyou are and it takes even more
time and a lot of guts to behonest, to be true to yourself
and who you're, what your pathis and who you are and our life
experiences, what we areexperiencing, what we are doing.
Susan Drummond (15:02):
It began and a lot of that you know not doing
the self-care, not listening tome, was because I was coming to
a conclusion that I needed tomake a change personally and I
was scared and I didn't think Ihad the right to say this isn't
serving me anymore, this isn'tthe best for me anymore.
(15:27):
But through this businesspartner, who is still my dearest
and best friend, and throughthis work and starting to do
that self-care, I was able tomake that decision.
I was able to leave a marriageof 25 years friendly and which
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is a blessing that is a blessing.
Yes, and I was able to reallyget to know me.
Of course, you know thathappened.
Everybody's like oh I want toset you up with this one and go
on this date and go with that.
And my answer was no.
That's not what this is about.
This is about finding out who Iam.
So who am I now at 50?
(16:09):
Single mom, I still had myyoungest with me.
Who am I now and what am I allabout?
And that's when I really got toknow me.
That's so cool.
And that's when anotherreinvention and more miracles
came and I didn't distractmyself with dating, or that's
not what this was about.
(16:30):
I wanted to date me, I wantedto really fall in love with me,
and I took the time to do that.
And what a blessing that was.
Julie Basello (16:41):
That's so inspiring.
Susan Drummond (16:43):
So then we come to yeah go ahead.
Julie Basello (16:45):
Well, you mentioned fear and, oh yes, I
feel like fear is like a bigcomponent of why people hold
themselves back in life and inreinvention.
So how do you address fear inpeople who come to you for
advice and guidance?
Susan Drummond (16:58):
So when that fear ended, and again I tap in
to my experience, which I alsoknow now, that I had to have my
own healings and my ownexperiences to fully be able to
help others.
So when someone comes in withthat fear, I can relate as well
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as anyone else.
And with that pause, with thatasking for help and the simple
tool of writing, when we keepthese emotions inside, they play
on that cassette, and Iprobably should change that
right, Because I really datemyself when I say cassette.
Julie Basello (17:40):
No, that's okay.
I know what a cassette is Allright.
Susan Drummond (17:43):
So we keep that same cassette playing.
It's like it's inside, there'sno air, there's.
It just keeps playing andplaying and we slow it down a
little bit by trying something,but eventually it goes back when
we talk about it.
But when we write about it, thephysical action of writing and
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it's coming out of us rememberthose cassettes they would get a
little nick in them and theneventually it would rip and
unravel.
Yes, that's what we want to do.
So when we physically pen andpaper not typing, not on our
phones or tablets write it out,write those fears, because what
we're doing is we're releasingthe emotions that are already
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inside.
We're not creating new, we'renot going into depression, we
are releasing what we've tuckeddown deep.
So it comes at my technical termHope I don't offend anybody but
we bomb it on paper, but thenwe immediately rip it in a
million pieces.
Each physical rip gets rid ofit and then it's gone.
(18:53):
I love that.
Don't reread it, don't edit it,don't share it with anybody,
just kind of get it out and thenrip, and it's usually more than
one writing, but the more itjust keeps going deeper and
keeps releasing and then thatcassette is ruined, it's gone.
It's gone and we can record anew one.
Julie Basello (19:16):
Wow, that's actually super profound.
I mean, other than the cassettepart, which we all know.
I'm just joking, but it'sreally like because it's funny.
One of the things that I dobefore I do something
uncomfortable for me is I gothrough like a worst case
scenario thing.
Like I actually write a list ofokay, so this difficult thing
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that I'm trying to work throughwhat is the worst that can
happen to me, and I actually putit out there Like what's the
worst that can happen.
And then I look at it and I cantell you, 9.8 times out of 10,
the worst case is not bad.
To me if nobody's sick andnobody's dead, we're all good
and we got to do over anytime wewant to.
(19:59):
You know, that's kind of how Iview things, so I'll usually put
it out there to kind of say tomyself okay, so this worst thing
, this worst case elephant inthe room that you're
entertaining, julie, it is notthat bad.
And then you know that mightnot work for everyone, but for
me it allows me to kind of weighmyself through pitfalls and
things and with reinvention thatyou know there's a lot of
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things that come up that couldbe pitfalls and it's important
to recognize them.
You can't just ignore them.
So Absolutely.
Susan Drummond (20:29):
And it is very similar what you're saying.
So you again are writing itdown, that fear that you've
tucked away.
But when you put it on papernow it's something tangible.
So just add the step of rippingit in a million pieces, exactly
.
I can't wait, and it is inpower.
Julie Basello (20:46):
It is so empowering, I think I'm going to
burn it.
I'm just kidding.
Susan Drummond (20:50):
Rip it first, then burn those frets.
Julie Basello (20:52):
I'll have a bonfire in the backyard.
There you go.
Susan Drummond (20:55):
We don't ever want to keep journals where we
release and release.
We want to put them in thebonfire.
Julie Basello (21:01):
Absolutely.
Susan Drummond (21:01):
Because we don't want to keep it.
No.
Julie Basello (21:04):
Definitely releasing is important.
I agree with that.
Susan Drummond (21:07):
And that's how we can see the fear.
Once it hits, it's almost likeI look at it, like once it hits,
air it first of all, it startsdissolving already, and then now
I can do something about it,because I know what I'm dealing
with.
I know what the fear is, Iunderstand it.
Now I can do something with it.
Julie Basello (21:27):
It's so strange that so many times we fear
things I can think of thingsright now in my head that I fear
, and we blow them up intoginormous proportions that have
no business being there.
We've elevated this simple fearof something small to just to
be so much larger than life.
Yes so being able to put it onpaper and then say nope, and
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cutting it up and getting rid ofit and letting it go and
releasing it is very, I'm sure,empowering.
Susan Drummond (21:58):
It really is, because once it's out now it's
tangible.
Now I see it, I can dosomething with that.
I can destroy it, I can get ridof it, and I know that may
sound simple to someone justlistening, but you have to try
it because it is absolutelyempowering and it really does
shift things Now.
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It's not that secret tucked waydown deep.
Julie Basello (22:22):
Those simple things in a reinvention journey
are very, very important because, like I said, there's so many
facets to it and it depends onwhat type of journey you're on.
But whether it's a chosenjourney, a chosen reinvention or
a forced one, there's a lot oflayers and if you can take
something and not necessarilysimplify it, but make it more
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manageable for yourself and makeyourself feel like you're in
control of it, I think thatthat's important because there
are so many aspects of areinvention journey that we are
not in control of.
Unfortunately, sometimes there'sthings we have to you know,
ride the wave, so to speak.
It's important to know how tosurf.
Susan Drummond (23:01):
Yes, and I've also found with that it needs to
be on a daily basis.
We can't, once a week, check inwith our feelings what are we
doing?
We need that type of self careon a daily basis.
Now, it doesn't have to be morethan five or 10 minutes, but it
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needs to be on the daily,because if we save it for the
weekend, we're not going to doit.
If we save it for vacation,we're not going to do it.
But if we commit to ourselveson a daily basis, you can make
it simple.
Look when you're sitting on theJohn, make that be your time.
Just jot things down, get ridof them a little grad, utilize
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what you're already doing.
You can't solve the problems ofthe world when you're sitting
there.
Julie Basello (23:49):
So the ultimate multitasking Right before bed
Exactly, that's a good one too,right before bed because it's
like slight downtime.
So we've obviously talked aboutyour many reinvention journeys.
If you could go back and changeone thing about the reinvention
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journey that involved openingthe center, life in balance what
would you change?
Susan Drummond (24:15):
One thing that I would change is that trust in
myself.
That's a big one, that one timeperiod where I didn't give
myself permission to be me,where I did just tuck it all
away and didn't hear me or seeme.
(24:37):
Now, looking back, was itpossible at the time?
I don't think so, because Itruly do believe we do the very
best we can in every situationand time in our life.
But that would be that onething honoring me, validating me
, that's a big deal, and youknow, trusting yourself is one
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of the hardest things to do in areinvention adventure.
Julie Basello (25:03):
A lot of people struggle with that because we're
taught to ask for validationfrom others in many instances in
our lives and that isreinvention as a situation.
It's a very personal journey,oh absolutely.
I always tell people you canget advice from others, but you
need to trust you first, andonly you know what's best for
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your journey, and that's not aneasy thing for people to hear or
learn through, but it is veryimportant to a successful
reinvention, in my opinion.
Susan Drummond (25:35):
Absolutely.
And that's where the taking alittle bit of time each day to
know what you're really feelingand not just going through the
motions of living, because, evensay, you're doing a reinvention
and you want to start abusiness and the traditional way
is a business plan, and thenyou take it somewhere and they
say, nope, bad idea, like holysmokes.
Julie Basello (25:58):
Who says it's a bad idea?
Some bank guy?
Susan Drummond (26:01):
Someone who doesn't know you or can't see
past his quota, or such.
Julie Basello (26:06):
Yeah, I totally agree with that, and so let's go
along that thread a little bit.
So you probably mentor peopleall the time, and mentoring is
different than getting randomadvice from your friends and
family.
So let's put your mentor hat onfor a second.
What's some advice you wouldoffer to someone who really
wants to change their life butisn't sure where to start?
Susan Drummond (26:29):
The first step of that is that pause, taking
that time sitting with yourself.
First off, are you comfortable?
What is it about that thatbothers you?
What is it about you thatyou're trying to avoid?
Get to know you?
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Who are you?
Who are you?
And if you come up with piecesor parts because we all have
parts that you're not fond ofyou can heal it and change it,
and not because you're judgingit as wrong, because you're
looking at it as, oh, that's notcomfortable anymore, but we all
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have that power to shift andchange it.
The one thing that we havetotal control of is our
perspective.
So if I'm sitting with me andI'm oh, you're bad, oh, you did
that, oh you're wrong, oh you're, I'm going to get stuck there.
But if I sit with me and I say,wow, look at all of these life
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adventures, these life traumasthat you have healed from.
Wow, that's here we go.
We can help others with that.
So, taking that time to get toknow who you are, and if you
find a facet you're not fond of,heal it, love it.
Julie Basello (27:51):
That is some powerful advice, very, very
powerful, powerful advice.
All right, so now.
Now for the fun part.
Susan Drummond (27:58):
Yeah, for a shameless plug.
Julie Basello (28:00):
Okay, what's your favorite thing about the center
?
Susan Drummond (28:03):
life imbalance, the my favorite part is people
walk in not having any idea whatwe are and they just feel
called to step in.
And I get to be there andexplain it to them and I see
their eyes light up.
Then, when I have a client comein and could be in deep pain,
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in deep grief, and we spend sometime and we do some raking, we
do some guidance and somemediumship, and they smile and
they say, oh my word, I feellight.
I feel like I can go on to be awitness to that on a daily base
.
And I don't claim to be thehealer, I am just a channeling
(28:47):
guide to help you in yourjourney.
But to see that I just had afive year old client the other
day the mom brought in, oh mygoodness, that is the best part,
one of the better.
So many.
I could go on and on and on,but that's what fills my heart.
Julie Basello (29:06):
That's amazing, amazing.
So, from self care to selfawakening, to actually embarking
on an entrepreneurial journey,that is your true calling.
Your story is an incredibleinspiration.
Thank you so much for chattingwith me, susan.
Oh my gosh.
Thank you so much.
If you're inspired enough toreach out to Susan, I've
included her information in theshow notes.
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If you have a reinvention storyyou'd like to share or a
reinvention topic you'd like meto explore in a future episode,
please reach out to me.
My contact information is alsoin the show notes.
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Thanks for listening to thisepisode of Reinvention
Adventures.
Have you ever wanted to start over, to
reinvent yourself?
Reinvention is something we alldo at some point in our lives.
Sometimes it's simple,sometimes it's complicated, but
it's often necessary to lead afulfilling life, and it's always
interesting.
I'm your host, julie Bassello.
Join me for some inspiration asI share reinvention stories,
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tips and tricks from real peoplejust like you.
Let's explore reinventionadventures together.
Hey, it's Julie.
Welcome to another episode ofReinvention Adventures, the
podcast where we explore theincredible journeys of
individuals who have embarked onthe path of self-discovery and
transformation.
I've been looking forward tothis episode's conversation
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because it's a really greatreinvention story, but I also
really like this human and Iwant her to be able to share her
spirit with you.
We all know that reinventioncan be really difficult.
In previous episodes, I'vespoken about how life changes
and life-altering events canoften be the impetus for
reinvention.
Sometimes you just don't have achoice but to change, and you
can fight it or you can embraceit, but either way it's going to
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happen.
Choosing to embrace it can makeit a much more productive and a
lot less painful process.
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Now let me introduce you to myguest.
Susan Drummond is the owner andoperator of the Center Life in
Balance.
24 years ago she started herpractice with the intention of
helping people heal Immediately.
Her spiritual team told her toopen a wellness center.
24 years ago there were no suchthings, so she asked them to
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wait a bit so she could be ready.
Through the journey, the CenterLife in Balance was born.
The Center Life in Balanceoffers services and workshops to
balance body, mind and spirit.
When she was a child, she wasvery connected to spirit and to
God.
Then life took an unexpectedturn when her mother became very
ill.
At that point, she shut it alldown and went along doing her
(02:12):
thing.
Somehow, the universe found away to open her back up to be of
service to others.
She's had six past lives inthis lifetime.
That's six reinventions forthose of you keeping track.
I cannot wait to dig into this.
Susan, welcome to ReinventionAdventures.
I'm so excited you're here.
Susan Drummond (02:29):
Thank you so much for having me.
I am excited to be here.
Julie Basello (02:33):
I'm so excited for you to be here too.
You can tell just like I'vebeen vibrating about this.
I want others to hear yourstory and you'd be able to share
your story.
I really want to just kickthings off if you're ready.
Are you ready?
I am ready, Awesome.
So your personal and yourprofessional reinvention
journeys have been interestingand Six Past Lives like.
(02:55):
Can you talk a little bit abouthow you know that and how it's
helped you on your journey?
Susan Drummond (03:00):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
And again, you mentioned when Iwas a child, life was perfect,
Perfect childhood.
Fifth child in an Italianfamily loving parents.
Julie Basello (03:12):
You're one of five, that's crazy, what Five.
I'm the fifth.
Susan Drummond (03:17):
And it was lovely.
I had a connection to God, whatI called God and perceived to
God I would actually communicateand hear the communication back
and just felt so secure, sohappy.
Life was a joy.
Julie Basello (03:34):
That's so cool.
Susan Drummond (03:35):
It was very cool until the rug got snapped out
and, very unexpected, my motherbecame ill, and she, of course,
was the center of everything.
Julie Basello (03:47):
Yes, in an Italian family, mothers are the
center of everything.
Susan Drummond (03:50):
Oh yes, and she was home with us and, being the
fifth one when she was a littleolder when she by time she had
me I got all the joy of it I got.
We could eat lunch together inthe living room, we didn't have
to be at the kitchen, I didn'thave to make my bed every day
like the other siblings.
So it was fun.
But then she did become ill andfrom her surgeries and her
(04:14):
complications she literallyovernight became brain damaged.
At that time I'm 11 years oldand you know what happened.
None of us knew what happened.
We're gone back 40, some yearsago.
We just went on autopilot.
My dad, god love him, he wenton autopilot just taking care of
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the love of his life.
This whole new adventure andthe 11-year-old kind of got left
to the side.
A little bit understandably now, but that 11-year-old didn't
understand it Exactly.
So that was number one lifetimefrom that perfect fairy tale to
holy smokes, I'm 11.
I'm cooking, I've got to clean,I've got to do these different
(04:56):
things, wow, but just went alonguntil it didn't get any better.
So it was five years of thisbefore my mom passed and I just
shut.
That's when I shut it all down.
There couldn't be a God, therecouldn't be anything of light
and love, because it was rough,yeah, and I just shut it down.
(05:18):
I shut me down and didn'treally care about anything.
And you were 16 at this point.
When she passed, I was 16.
Wow, yes, wow Went off, kind ofjust did my own thing, did
whatever.
And this is the nextreinvention when I was 20, a
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universe, god, tapped me on theshoulder and said whoa, you know
, this is it, we can't have youdoing this, we need you a little
bit.
And went through the nextreinvention and realized that
there was more to life than whatI was doing.
I couldn't.
I had lots of help to believeme, but what just wasn't all my
(05:59):
own and decided, you know, gotmyself back together and thought
, well, now I can go on mydreams and I married and I had
children and did what I thoughtI was supposed to do, got that
job in corporate and did mything.
And I realized, you know, Iwasn't happy.
Julie Basello (06:19):
Did you feel like you were suffocating?
Yeah, I felt like I wassuffocating.
Yeah, I felt like.
Susan Drummond (06:24):
I was suffocating.
It felt like I didn't know whoI was.
I didn't have opportunity toeven ask who I was.
I was being what I thought Iwas supposed to be Right and
trying to make everyone happy,and went through that phase
until I had another opportunity,through more traumas.
(06:47):
My niece, my young niece, andmy dad became ill and being
there for them and now I was anadult so I could be there.
I wasn't the 11 year old.
I could be present, I couldhelp them, I could be with them,
but that was traumatic also, soa lot of your reinventions
happen through trauma, I mean,as they often do.
(07:10):
Yes, Through, yeah, and what Ibelieve now is that is universes
, or God's way to say wait aminute.
We love you so much.
We got to get your attention,because if it's smooth and easy
and we're just doing the minimum, we're not going to make any
changes half the time.
Julie Basello (07:28):
Now I do.
Susan Drummond (07:29):
Now after all this, but not back then.
Right.
Julie Basello (07:32):
You've learned as the path has gone on.
But yeah, you're right, mostpeople, most people, don't go
through life and never learnthat Right.
Susan Drummond (07:40):
Right, there are some.
So now I can look back withgratitude, but going through it,
not the same Right.
So I was able to then have theopportunity through that,
through my husband, after yearsof a steady employment, actually
getting laid off but it changedto severance and getting a new
job.
(08:00):
That it was like, hey, I coulddo what I felt called to do,
which was actually go intomassage therapy and Reiki and
the healing arts.
Julie Basello (08:10):
Right.
Susan Drummond (08:10):
So I had that opportunity, so I went and did
that and then when I startedtouching people, it all opened
up again.
Wow, all of the spiritual notwhat I intended, because when I
shut it down, I shut it down, Ikind of locked it Right, so for
it to come back out was like, ohokay.
And then that's when I had theopportunity to begin my first
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business, start the business,and that's when my spiritual
team came in and said, hey,you're 24 years ago open that
wellness center.
And I said, hey, I don't knowwhat that is.
So can you wait?
The youngest is too little, canyou wait a little bit?
And they did.
Julie Basello (08:49):
Now let's talk about that for a second that you
refer to your spiritual teamtwice so far.
Can you clarify for anyonelistening what that is?
Susan Drummond (08:56):
Yes, I do believe, and as an intuitive
medium, I do believe we all havea spiritual team and that team
is typically past loved ones,and you could say spirit guides
or angels.
I really do believe us all thesame energy.
We come into this human formand then we leave this human
(09:20):
form.
So we don't necessarily die, wejust change energy, we just
change that vibration.
So all of those loved ones thatwere here with us in the human
form are still with us and if wecan slow down, take a pause now
and then we can sense them andreceive their guidance.
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We all have free will.
So if we don't pause and say,hey, could you guys please help
me?
They can't.
They're of a vibration of total, unconditional love.
They don't have the human anger, resentment, frustration that's
what's left behind, that's whatgets buried or cremated, all
(10:08):
that stuff.
So then we have this perfectenergy that, after all of this
trauma and such, I began totrust again.
My mother was a part of thatspiritual team.
I could feel that I'm sure shewas.
And when it was, this messagecoming straight through hey, do
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this, it was like, ok, it justdidn't feel I was ready.
And again, time and space ishuman.
Spirit doesn't have time andspace.
So they're like sorry, go ahead,honey.
Whatever you need, do yourthing, we'll be here.
Right, and it was specificbecause I actually said could
you wait till the youngest is inhigh school?
It was 10 years, Julie.
(10:50):
Wow, she started high school,say September 3, september 5.
We signed the lease to theFirst Wellness Center.
They didn't mind.
But in that 10 years I built adatabase, I built a reputation,
I built all this, the footwork.
It just happened.
I didn't plan to necessarily.
(11:11):
But again, turning it over to asource, to your intuition, we
all have that gut instinct If wepause just for a moment here
and there to tap into it andhear it, because we also have
lots of ways to turn that off.
We could have four morecocktails, we could have six
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more pieces of cake, we could dothings to shut that down.
We could keep busy, busy, busy,busy.
Then we don't ever pick upanything.
So that pause is important.
I could say meditation it is,but sometimes meditation scares
the crap out of everybody.
Julie Basello (11:54):
Yeah, and sometimes people just don't know
how to do it right.
It's definitely, meditationtakes practice.
Susan Drummond (12:00):
Absolutely, and that's why they call it a
meditation practice.
You stick with it.
That's a whole nother episode Iwould love to come back and
talk about it.
Julie Basello (12:08):
Great, we'll do it.
Susan Drummond (12:10):
So many different ways to meditate, but
if you just look at it as apause, and that pause can be
three deep breaths, that pausecan be counting to 20.
So, whatever it is to just slowdown a bit, to kind of connect.
So we started that firstwellness center.
I had a business partner, whichwas wonderful, but also at that
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time, stepping out into thisnew, I was going through
personal changes as well.
I was getting to a point whereI was thinking, maybe this isn't
everything that I wantPersonally, but I wasn't giving
myself any permission to lookinto that.
I wasn't pausing because itscared me.
(12:56):
So when it came to the businesspart of it, I wasn't trusting
myself there either and I wouldspeak what I was feeling, that
gut feeling, that knowing, anddidn't always mesh with the
partner and I would always say,oh, okay, I must be wrong, maybe
this is the better way it went.
(13:18):
Okay, it went along.
But I wasn't being true to me.
I wasn't doing all the selfcare.
I was in the position ofservice and not fully
understanding the importancethat service, self care, has to
be on self first than others.
(13:40):
I didn't understand that atthat time.
I just thought, oh, my goodness, I'm being called to do this.
I have to just give, give, give, serve, serve, serve.
I lost the trust in me.
Julie Basello (13:51):
It sounds like you were in people pleaser mode
almost.
You were like well, how can Iplease everyone and not just
serve?
And they say you have to takecare of yourself before you can
take care of others.
Susan Drummond (14:02):
Right, so that is the absolute truth, because
by not listening to me, by notpausing for myself, I was just
following someone else's path,if you will.
Julie Basello (14:17):
Yeah, we all do it at times in our lives and you
know reinvention being a verydifficult path sometimes.
Oh, absolutely, you know, youknow firsthand.
So people tend to to look toothers and they do sometimes
follow the path of others ratherthan what feels true to them.
I think we've all followed thattraditional path that we
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thought was expected of usbefore we.
We learned that we need to betrue to ourself and who we are.
But it takes time to learn whoyou are and it takes even more
time and a lot of guts to behonest, to be true to yourself
and who you're, what your pathis and who you are and our life
experiences, what we areexperiencing, what we are doing.
Susan Drummond (15:02):
It began and a lot of that you know not doing
the self-care, not listening tome, was because I was coming to
a conclusion that I needed tomake a change personally and I
was scared and I didn't think Ihad the right to say this isn't
serving me anymore, this isn'tthe best for me anymore.
(15:27):
But through this businesspartner, who is still my dearest
and best friend, and throughthis work and starting to do
that self-care, I was able tomake that decision.
I was able to leave a marriageof 25 years friendly and which
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is a blessing that is a blessing.
Yes, and I was able to reallyget to know me.
Of course, you know thathappened.
Everybody's like oh I want toset you up with this one and go
on this date and go with that.
And my answer was no.
That's not what this is about.
This is about finding out who Iam.
So who am I now at 50?
(16:09):
Single mom, I still had myyoungest with me.
Who am I now and what am I allabout?
And that's when I really got toknow me.
That's so cool.
And that's when anotherreinvention and more miracles
came and I didn't distractmyself with dating, or that's
not what this was about.
(16:30):
I wanted to date me, I wantedto really fall in love with me,
and I took the time to do that.
And what a blessing that was.
Julie Basello (16:41):
That's so inspiring.
Susan Drummond (16:43):
So then we come to yeah go ahead.
Julie Basello (16:45):
Well, you mentioned fear and, oh yes, I
feel like fear is like a bigcomponent of why people hold
themselves back in life and inreinvention.
So how do you address fear inpeople who come to you for
advice and guidance?
Susan Drummond (16:58):
So when that fear ended, and again I tap in
to my experience, which I alsoknow now, that I had to have my
own healings and my ownexperiences to fully be able to
help others.
So when someone comes in withthat fear, I can relate as well
(17:19):
as anyone else.
And with that pause, with thatasking for help and the simple
tool of writing, when we keepthese emotions inside, they play
on that cassette, and Iprobably should change that
right, Because I really datemyself when I say cassette.
Julie Basello (17:40):
No, that's okay.
I know what a cassette is Allright.
Susan Drummond (17:43):
So we keep that same cassette playing.
It's like it's inside, there'sno air, there's.
It just keeps playing andplaying and we slow it down a
little bit by trying something,but eventually it goes back when
we talk about it.
But when we write about it, thephysical action of writing and
(18:04):
it's coming out of us rememberthose cassettes they would get a
little nick in them and theneventually it would rip and
unravel.
Yes, that's what we want to do.
So when we physically pen andpaper not typing, not on our
phones or tablets write it out,write those fears, because what
we're doing is we're releasingthe emotions that are already
(18:28):
inside.
We're not creating new, we'renot going into depression, we
are releasing what we've tuckeddown deep.
So it comes at my technical termHope I don't offend anybody but
we bomb it on paper, but thenwe immediately rip it in a
million pieces.
Each physical rip gets rid ofit and then it's gone.
(18:53):
I love that.
Don't reread it, don't edit it,don't share it with anybody,
just kind of get it out and thenrip, and it's usually more than
one writing, but the more itjust keeps going deeper and
keeps releasing and then thatcassette is ruined, it's gone.
It's gone and we can record anew one.
Julie Basello (19:16):
Wow, that's actually super profound.
I mean, other than the cassettepart, which we all know.
I'm just joking, but it'sreally like because it's funny.
One of the things that I dobefore I do something
uncomfortable for me is I gothrough like a worst case
scenario thing.
Like I actually write a list ofokay, so this difficult thing
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that I'm trying to work throughwhat is the worst that can
happen to me, and I actually putit out there Like what's the
worst that can happen.
And then I look at it and I cantell you, 9.8 times out of 10,
the worst case is not bad.
To me if nobody's sick andnobody's dead, we're all good
and we got to do over anytime wewant to.
(19:59):
You know, that's kind of how Iview things, so I'll usually put
it out there to kind of say tomyself okay, so this worst thing
, this worst case elephant inthe room that you're
entertaining, julie, it is notthat bad.
And then you know that mightnot work for everyone, but for
me it allows me to kind of weighmyself through pitfalls and
things and with reinvention thatyou know there's a lot of
(20:21):
things that come up that couldbe pitfalls and it's important
to recognize them.
You can't just ignore them.
So Absolutely.
Susan Drummond (20:29):
And it is very similar what you're saying.
So you again are writing itdown, that fear that you've
tucked away.
But when you put it on papernow it's something tangible.
So just add the step of rippingit in a million pieces, exactly
.
I can't wait, and it is inpower.
Julie Basello (20:46):
It is so empowering, I think I'm going to
burn it.
I'm just kidding.
Susan Drummond (20:50):
Rip it first, then burn those frets.
Julie Basello (20:52):
I'll have a bonfire in the backyard.
There you go.
Susan Drummond (20:55):
We don't ever want to keep journals where we
release and release.
We want to put them in thebonfire.
Julie Basello (21:01):
Absolutely.
Susan Drummond (21:01):
Because we don't want to keep it.
No.
Julie Basello (21:04):
Definitely releasing is important.
I agree with that.
Susan Drummond (21:07):
And that's how we can see the fear.
Once it hits, it's almost likeI look at it, like once it hits,
air it first of all, it startsdissolving already, and then now
I can do something about it,because I know what I'm dealing
with.
I know what the fear is, Iunderstand it.
Now I can do something with it.
Julie Basello (21:27):
It's so strange that so many times we fear
things I can think of thingsright now in my head that I fear
, and we blow them up intoginormous proportions that have
no business being there.
We've elevated this simple fearof something small to just to
be so much larger than life.
Yes so being able to put it onpaper and then say nope, and
(21:52):
cutting it up and getting rid ofit and letting it go and
releasing it is very, I'm sure,empowering.
Susan Drummond (21:58):
It really is, because once it's out now it's
tangible.
Now I see it, I can dosomething with that.
I can destroy it, I can get ridof it, and I know that may
sound simple to someone justlistening, but you have to try
it because it is absolutelyempowering and it really does
shift things Now.
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It's not that secret tucked waydown deep.
Julie Basello (22:22):
Those simple things in a reinvention journey
are very, very important because, like I said, there's so many
facets to it and it depends onwhat type of journey you're on.
But whether it's a chosenjourney, a chosen reinvention or
a forced one, there's a lot oflayers and if you can take
something and not necessarilysimplify it, but make it more
(22:44):
manageable for yourself and makeyourself feel like you're in
control of it, I think thatthat's important because there
are so many aspects of areinvention journey that we are
not in control of.
Unfortunately, sometimes there'sthings we have to you know,
ride the wave, so to speak.
It's important to know how tosurf.
Susan Drummond (23:01):
Yes, and I've also found with that it needs to
be on a daily basis.
We can't, once a week, check inwith our feelings what are we
doing?
We need that type of self careon a daily basis.
Now, it doesn't have to be morethan five or 10 minutes, but it
(23:22):
needs to be on the daily,because if we save it for the
weekend, we're not going to doit.
If we save it for vacation,we're not going to do it.
But if we commit to ourselveson a daily basis, you can make
it simple.
Look when you're sitting on theJohn, make that be your time.
Just jot things down, get ridof them a little grad, utilize
(23:44):
what you're already doing.
You can't solve the problems ofthe world when you're sitting
there.
Julie Basello (23:49):
So the ultimate multitasking Right before bed
Exactly, that's a good one too,right before bed because it's
like slight downtime.
So we've obviously talked aboutyour many reinvention journeys.
If you could go back and changeone thing about the reinvention
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journey that involved openingthe center, life in balance what
would you change?
Susan Drummond (24:15):
One thing that I would change is that trust in
myself.
That's a big one, that one timeperiod where I didn't give
myself permission to be me,where I did just tuck it all
away and didn't hear me or seeme.
(24:37):
Now, looking back, was itpossible at the time?
I don't think so, because Itruly do believe we do the very
best we can in every situationand time in our life.
But that would be that onething honoring me, validating me
, that's a big deal, and youknow, trusting yourself is one
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of the hardest things to do in areinvention adventure.
Julie Basello (25:03):
A lot of people struggle with that because we're
taught to ask for validationfrom others in many instances in
our lives and that isreinvention as a situation.
It's a very personal journey,oh absolutely.
I always tell people you canget advice from others, but you
need to trust you first, andonly you know what's best for
(25:26):
your journey, and that's not aneasy thing for people to hear or
learn through, but it is veryimportant to a successful
reinvention, in my opinion.
Susan Drummond (25:35):
Absolutely.
And that's where the taking alittle bit of time each day to
know what you're really feelingand not just going through the
motions of living, because, evensay, you're doing a reinvention
and you want to start abusiness and the traditional way
is a business plan, and thenyou take it somewhere and they
say, nope, bad idea, like holysmokes.
Julie Basello (25:58):
Who says it's a bad idea?
Some bank guy?
Susan Drummond (26:01):
Someone who doesn't know you or can't see
past his quota, or such.
Julie Basello (26:06):
Yeah, I totally agree with that, and so let's go
along that thread a little bit.
So you probably mentor peopleall the time, and mentoring is
different than getting randomadvice from your friends and
family.
So let's put your mentor hat onfor a second.
What's some advice you wouldoffer to someone who really
wants to change their life butisn't sure where to start?
Susan Drummond (26:29):
The first step of that is that pause, taking
that time sitting with yourself.
First off, are you comfortable?
What is it about that thatbothers you?
What is it about you thatyou're trying to avoid?
Get to know you?
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Who are you?
Who are you?
And if you come up with piecesor parts because we all have
parts that you're not fond ofyou can heal it and change it,
and not because you're judgingit as wrong, because you're
looking at it as, oh, that's notcomfortable anymore, but we all
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have that power to shift andchange it.
The one thing that we havetotal control of is our
perspective.
So if I'm sitting with me andI'm oh, you're bad, oh, you did
that, oh you're wrong, oh you're, I'm going to get stuck there.
But if I sit with me and I say,wow, look at all of these life
(27:32):
adventures, these life traumasthat you have healed from.
Wow, that's here we go.
We can help others with that.
So, taking that time to get toknow who you are, and if you
find a facet you're not fond of,heal it, love it.
Julie Basello (27:51):
That is some powerful advice, very, very
powerful, powerful advice.
All right, so now.
Now for the fun part.
Susan Drummond (27:58):
Yeah, for a shameless plug.
Julie Basello (28:00):
Okay, what's your favorite thing about the center
?
Susan Drummond (28:03):
life imbalance, the my favorite part is people
walk in not having any idea whatwe are and they just feel
called to step in.
And I get to be there andexplain it to them and I see
their eyes light up.
Then, when I have a client comein and could be in deep pain,
(28:25):
in deep grief, and we spend sometime and we do some raking, we
do some guidance and somemediumship, and they smile and
they say, oh my word, I feellight.
I feel like I can go on to be awitness to that on a daily base
.
And I don't claim to be thehealer, I am just a channeling
(28:47):
guide to help you in yourjourney.
But to see that I just had afive year old client the other
day the mom brought in, oh mygoodness, that is the best part,
one of the better.
So many.
I could go on and on and on,but that's what fills my heart.
Julie Basello (29:06):
That's amazing, amazing.
So, from self care to selfawakening, to actually embarking
on an entrepreneurial journey,that is your true calling.
Your story is an incredibleinspiration.
Thank you so much for chattingwith me, susan.
Oh my gosh.
Thank you so much.
If you're inspired enough toreach out to Susan, I've
included her information in theshow notes.
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If you have a reinvention storyyou'd like to share or a
reinvention topic you'd like meto explore in a future episode,
please reach out to me.
My contact information is alsoin the show notes.
Thank you for listening.
I appreciate you until nexttime.
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