Mike opens up the hood of SafeHouse Ministries and shares the amazing process we use to help people change their lives for the better. Along the way he also shares a few more stories from Freedom House of lives he has seen changed in miraculous ways. If you want to understand homelessness and how to best help those who are in the midst of homelessness this is an episode you will not want to miss.
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Mike (00:00):
when you see a heartbeat.
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A human, a beautiful life that'sGod created, transformed from
whatever the struggle is.
And they share with you.
Mike, whoever the staff member,Mike or friend or whatever.
I got it today.
I got a place of my own.
I get to move into a place of myown.
I've got a job.
I was able to, get my first setof wheels.
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I was able, I've been clean for,60 days, 90 days.
I've been clean for six months.
I've been clean for a year, justto see those things.
It's a beautiful, absolutelybeautiful experience.
And I really, sitting in my seatas facility manager, seeing the
fruit of not just what I havethe privilege of seeing, but
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seeing the fruit of thecaseworkers, the house managers
the folks that volunteer atFreedom House and Safe House
Ministries the churches, theministries that come in and
mentor our men, the, and we weregoing with we were leading from
the, all of this big pictureleading to moving these men
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from, Homelessness for whateverreason to these men actually
becoming heroes, giving back
Phil Shuler (01:14):
HellO, and welcome to Renew, Restore, Rejoice, the
Safe House Ministries podcast,where we share stories of the
power of God to change livesthrough Safe House Ministries.
Safe House Ministries is basedout of Columbus, Georgia, and we
are a ministry that exists tolove and serve people who have
been affected by addiction,homelessness, and incarceration.
I'm your host, Phil Shuler, theDirector of Development for Safe
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House Ministries here inColumbus, Georgia.
Safe House serves over 1, 100people each month as they
transition back into ourcommunity.
Safe House provides an abundanceof services including 213 beds
for homeless individuals andfamilies, case management for
obtaining job skills and longterm employment.
Over 300 hot meals every day,free clothing, and so much more.
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One of the most incredibleservices that Safe House
provides is our free 9 12 monthintensive outpatient substance
abuse program, which is statelicensed, CARF accredited, and
has no wait list.
Almost 100 percent ofindividuals staying in our
shelters who follow our threephase program become fully
employed within a few months.
And 68 percent of individualswho stay at least one night with
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us End up finding work andmoving into their own home.
Thank you for being with ustoday and listening to our
podcast.
We hope you enjoy this week'sepisode.
Mike (02:27):
another gentleman by the name of Ephraim and these are
some of the heroes in my life.
Ephraim was one of the mostcantankerous, angry, frustrated,
aggressive men that I had evercome in contact with.
And I even remember questioningmy own resolve in Okay, God, you
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for real?
Cause I'm, you got to do this.
Cause there's no way I'm goingto get through this knucklehead.
And if you talk to Ephraimtoday, he and I have a brotherly
love between each other.
We have a friendship betweeneach other, the transition.
And by the way, the Ephraim wasalso suffering from some
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substance abuse issues to seethe transition over the 308
days, as he walked throughtreatment, as he walked through
getting a job, as he walkedthrough saving money, and It
eventually came to a point, asEphraim's last days in Freedom
House, that You could go to himand ask him, he'd give you
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whatever.
He would give you his time.
He would give you the shirt offhis back.
He would give you a pair ofshoes.
He would give you something toeat.
He would give you hope andencouragement.
And a man who was once upon atime, aggressive and angry and
just seemed to be, he becameagreeable.
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He became enjoyable.
He became a source of light.
And just to see thattransformation over that year
from what God did in that man'slife.
And still today he actuallycalled one of our case managers
this morning wanting to knowwhere Mike is.
He wanted to, you need to comeby and see my apartment.
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You need to see how it's, just ajoy to see.
a man so trapped in the bitterresentment and anger and the
throes of substance abuse thatheld him down to absolute
freedom and a hero of the faith,a hero of the ministry.
And I'm actually thankful forhim.
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And I won't share a whole bunch.
There's, I got tons.
There's another guy named Nick.
Nick came from out of state.
He was a veteran.
He went into the military withthe mindset of serving his
country, honor, dignity, All thecharacteristics that you hope
for in a soldier he wanted toemulate that.
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Yeah, he was very optimistic,
Phil (05:00):
idealistic, very patriotic.
Mike (05:02):
Oh, the whole, what you want, hope for in a soldier,
Nick was.
Nick came into addiction andsome other issues wound up
finding, getting into a littletrouble.
At the end, he had nowhere tolive, nowhere to go, burned some
bridges, unfortunately.
And when he came to FreedomHouse, that shame that I was
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once a soldier, And now I'mhomeless.
I was once characterized byhonor, duty, glory, all those
things that we hope to find in asoldier.
He felt that I have betrayed mycountry.
I've betrayed my God.
I've betrayed, the people thatsupposedly I serve.
And now here I am.
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And so seeing that, that shameand that guilt and that
frustration turn intodetermination, devotion,
hardworking, family orientatedtrusting.
This man was trusting to afault.
He would help you no matterwhat.
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And I don't want to, I thinkNick's biggest issue was himself
because he would give, like he,for me, he would give you the
shirt off his back, but he wasso focused and determined that
in record time, he passedthrough the phases, got a job,
saved every single penny hecould, made sacrifices, let me
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add a little water to thetoothpaste and not a little
water to the soap.
Let me, and to be able to.
He was trusting to a fault inthat he went to get a place of
his own.
Unfortunately, he wasn'tfamiliar with the schemes of the
world and wound up losing everypenny he had.
Comes back into freedom.
Kicked down a second time, hehadn't left freedom, but he was
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getting ready to leave and yetas the men and women of Freedom
House, Safe House Ministries,worked and watched and witnessed
and read and prayed and listenedand worked with them, that same
hero that was inside of him,Just absolutely blossomed.
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He recently, a week ago, movedinto a place of his own.
He now has he's in a beautifulrelationship.
His reconciliation with hisfamily, with his friends, with
his, it was just beautiful tosee the destructive decisions
became such a fruitful.
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Glorious reconciliation of whatGod plans for every family.
And it was an absolute beautifulthing.
Wow.
So whether, no matter what thecircumstances, a veteran, not a
veteran man, woman, substanceabuse, not substance abuse we've
had folks that's come toveterans, Come to Freedom that's
had their apartment catch onfire and they didn't have
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anywhere to live.
We've had men that for whateverreason have come to Freedom
House, who wound up losing boththeir legs and we've had folks
with who had extreme medicalchallenges.
And just the despair when yousee a heartbeat.
A human, a beautiful life that'sGod created, transformed from
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whatever the struggle is.
And they share with you.
Mike, whoever the staff member,Mike or friend or whatever.
I got it today.
I got a place of my own.
I get to move into a place of myown.
I've got a job.
I was able to, get my first setof wheels.
I was able, I've been clean for,60 days, 90 days.
I've been clean for six months.
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I've been clean for a year, justto see those things.
It's a beautiful, absolutelybeautiful experience.
And I really, sitting in my seatas facility manager, seeing the
fruit of not just what I havethe privilege of seeing, but
seeing the fruit of thecaseworkers, the house managers
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the folks that volunteer atFreedom House and Safe House
Ministries the churches, theministries that come in and
mentor our men, the, and we weregoing with we were leading from
the, all of this big pictureleading to moving these men
from, Homelessness for whateverreason to these men actually
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becoming heroes, giving back,coming back on Sunday night and
giving their testimonies andsay, let me tell you what
Freedom House did for me.
Let me tell, of course they'llmention staff members and
they'll say, Sam did this, Mattdid this, Barbara did this, Mike
did this, whoever the person is,this person chap took a chap.
Took a risk and took a chanceand gave me another an
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opportunity.
I do want to share anotherincident.
A man by the name of Kevin youngkid.
I think he had just turned 18 tobe able to get into our
facility.
Kevin had a he had some mentalhealth concerns.
Mental health diagnosis, he hada childhood with some traumas
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single mom a bunch ofchallenges.
And this young kid, I say a kid,he was a man, but when you're my
age, everybody's a kid.
Kevin came in and his wholeentire world was His mom, this
single mother that was trying todo her best in every aspect of
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the sense, every sense of theword, to a men's shelter where a
majority of his life, the malewas not the role model.
The male was the individual whoharmed him.
The male was, he didn't havesomebody to look up to.
He didn't have somebody toaspire to be.
He didn't have, those thingsthat we hope to instill in our
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kids.
And Kevin came to us with notonly emotional baggage, mental
health concerns, spiritualbattles.
He was just so young and to see,and I think the average age in
our facility is probably 40.
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Okay.
I'm guessing.
That's
Phil (11:17):
younger than I would have guessed.
Mike (11:19):
Yeah, about 40.
Kevin being one of the youngestthat we've ever had.
Brand new kid.
Kevin lived in absolute fear.
A man who couldn't sleep, whocouldn't eat, who, because of
his lack of sleep, lack ofnutrition his body began to
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break down.
We tried multiple avenues.
Let's get medical in here, let'sget counselors in here, let's
get the professionals in here,let's see what we can do to get
Kevin the help and assistancethat he needs.
And I'm so thankful that Safehouse ministries has such a
beautiful connection with somany other organizations in our
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community.
I didn't mean for the salespitch, but hey, that it is what
it is.
Whether it's anyway so manyother organizations stepped in
to try and aid us in helpingKevin and loving Kevin.
Eventually, Kevin wastransferred out of Freedom
House.
And at first, the staff and Iwere discouraged.
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We were disheartened.
We were we lost.
We lost one of the, one of thebattles.
And I have to share this.
His mother called me last week,as she does routinely, and she
said, Mike, I cannot thank youenough.
I cannot thank Sam.
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Sam was his case manager enough.
I cannot thank the house managerenough.
I cannot thank freedom house andsafe house ministries and the
work that you guys did.
Now we're thinking behind thescenes, we're thinking that we
have failed and the, and Kevin'smom began to share.
Kevin has come, he has come outof his shell.
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He is becoming the man that hewanted to become.
He's becoming, he's, he used tobe an introvert.
Now he's more of an extrovert.
He's sharing and doing andworking and thriving and he has
an opinion and he has plans andgoals and he, these goals are
becoming he's being able toaccomplish some of these goals.
And she says, I'm going to tellyou, Mike.
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You guys didn't fail.
Everything that you did atFreedom House helped my son
become a man.
Who knew?
Who knew?
Wow.
And so when, and I Kevin's mom,I, she calls at least 7th to 10
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day.
She said, I've got to give youan update.
I've got to tell you whatKevin's doing.
You're not going to believethis.
And the seeds that we planted,the work that we did, the labor
the hours and hours, the dealingwith the mental health
challenges, the medicalchallenges, the, the other
issues that, We're going on inthis young man's life that we
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couldn't see in the battle.
I I would just tell if you're,if a person is in the work of
ministry, the work of help theministry of, uh, presence, the
ministry of whatever ourministry is and helping folks
move from homelessness To becomethe men and women God planned.
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Don't give up.
Don't lose heart.
Because what you do, what we dois so extremely important from
the toothbrush to the IDs, birthcertificates, to the
appointments, to the get movingmen into the training, the
classes, the counseling, thesessions, the mentor, all of it,
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feeding, the cooking, thecleaning, all of it plays a very
important role to, you may notsee the victory, but God is
working in those folks lives.
Phil (15:17):
Praise the Lord.
That's really good.
That's
Mike (15:19):
I have a whole pack of them, but I'll let you talk for
so yeah.
And I want to hear more stories.
Phil (15:25):
But I think this is a good time to, to hear about what the
details look like within safehouse ministries at the shelter.
What is the structure?
What is the system?
What is the, so the phases, the,what does it look like when
someone Day one, have nothing,on the door, safe at Freedom
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House, the men's shelter.
And what does that process looklike as we walk them from that
point to
Mike (15:50):
If you don't mind, I'm going to start on the street.
Phil (15:52):
Yeah.
Mike (15:53):
Okay.
If anyone comes in contact withan individual that says, I'm
homeless, For whatever reason,I'm homeless.
The very first set ofinstructions that we will
provide is please call 2 1 1, 21 1 is United Way.
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United Way is a absolute.
Rock in this community.
And United Way does thereferrals to our shelters, to
our ministry.
And as facility managers, we'llget these referrals from United
Way.
And then once we get thereferrals, then I as a facility
manager, I'll reach out, andI'll contact said individual.
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Or if I've seen them at the safehouse or if I've seen them on
the street or wherever I've seenthem, I'll say, okay, can I have
your name?
Can I have your number?
Have you contacted 211?
Let us get a referral.
What is it that you need?
How can we help?
And then we encourage theindividual.
If we have a bed available, Andthere's multiple programs at
Freedom House.
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There's treatment and there'salso EG ESG, which is an
emergency shelter, but it breaksdown a little further than that.
But for the individual that'swe'll ask them, A, do you have a
substance abuse issue?
If you do, then we're, you're.
In this lane of moving forward.
If there's not a substance abuseissue, then there's this lane
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that will, this phase, series ofphase work that will follow.
And there, the phases are verymuch the same.
We just, we work on the recoveryand the treatment aspect of
substance abuse, and then wemove to the whole transition
into independence.
An individual calls 2 1 1, I getthe email, I call the individual
ask them some questions, justgeneral questions.
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Things such as, are there anylegal concerns that we need to
look at?
Are there any medical concernsthat we need to look at?
What is your financial situationright now?
And really, we're just gatheringinformation, because none of
it's really, if you're homeless.
As soon as we have a bed, we'regoing to put you in a bed.
We don't, there's no, We're notpartial to anybody, regardless
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of your background, regardlessof anything.
If you have a heartbeat andyou're homeless, we're going to
try to get you into a bed.
That's the bottom line.
So let's say I'm homeless.
I finally get this call fromPhil.
They said, all right, Mike, cometo the shelter.
I, I come to the shelter,whether it's via bus, a friend,
one of our staff bring, youbring me to Freedom House.
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I'll walk into the door, whetherI have what I'm wearing or
whether I have a bag of stuff.
The, immediately you'll begreeted by one of the staff
members.
The staff member will see thestuff you bring.
Check out some stuff.
Make sure that we get thingsclean and organized.
If you have medication, thatgoes to the facility manager.
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We want to make sure that you'retaking the meds you're supposed
to be taking.
If you're, Property needs to becleaned and we help you do that
before we get you into a room.
We'll provide the client, orthey, I would be given bedding,
toiletries.
If it's mealtime, giving a mealor giving a snack until the meal
comes.
I will show that individual to aroom.
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Let them know that this is yourroom.
This is your home.
Welcome home.
And we'll tell them welcomehome.
And we'll put them in a bed andsaying, this is your bed.
This is your dresser.
This is your chair.
This is your closet.
You're sharing a room with aindividual.
This is your roommate, usuallytwo to a room.
And then we set up a time withour intake coordinator and then
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an intake coordinator.
Who is absolutely remarkable.
Our intake coordinator will sitdown with the individual and
say, Okay, every house, myhouse, your house, any house,
has a set of guidelines, rules,expectations, so to speak.
This is what time you wake up.
This is when we eat.
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This is when you take your meds.
This is how we start moving youforward.
And phase, of course, thenthey'll be assigned a case
manager.
The house managers take care ofeverything at the facility.
The function of the facility,the cleanliness of the facility,
the scheduling of the chores,the making sure, I have a honey
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do list when I go home.
If if you live in a house,you're going to do something,
and so they're assigned a littlebit of responsibility and
whether it's okay, every Tuesdayevening you're washing the
dishes, and so they may wash thedishes and that gives'em a sense
of, okay, I accomplished that.
I did chart anyway, movingforward.
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So they.
The first thing we will assessis, do you have any form of ID?
Do you have an ID?
Do you have a social securitycard?
Do you have a birth certificate?
If you don't, We're going to setyou up with VoteRiders, our
representative.
He's also a case manager at ourfacility.
Sam's going to help you getthese things.
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Then while we're, while we getyou your ID, we get you your
social security card while we'rewaiting on your birth
certificate, we're going to sendyou to Goodwill.
And we're, you're going to spenda couple of days doing eight
classes that teach you how tocommunicate.
How to search for a job, how todo an interview, a job
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interview, how you should dressin an interview, some of the
skills required for any job,what that looks like being on
time being dependable, beinghonest.
So we'll, they'll walk throughthat little training week of,
Trying to find out what gettinga job looks like being
responsible, and then we'll tellthem that you are expected to
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look for a job.
Here are some of the toolsyou'll need to get a job.
They've already walked throughthe resume process.
Then they'll begin, we'll, docoaching or our list of jobs or
through Goodwill.
They'll have ample plethora ofjobs that are available in
Columbus, regardless of thebackground.
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And some of the backgrounds werevery challenging and there's
still jobs available.
Phil (22:03):
Yeah, that's good to know.
I think sometimes people arehopeless in the sense of, look
I'm labeled as this.
I've got this in my background.
No one's going to give me a job,but you're saying that's not
true.
There are,
Mike (22:13):
that is absolutely not true.
There are companies.
In this county and othercounties that are so willing to
say, I don't care if you're afelon.
I don't care if you've been toprison.
I don't care if you've been tojail.
I don't care if you're, you havea passive substance abuse.
I don't care what yourcircumstance is.
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If you will show up, be willingto work and be dependable, I'll
give you a shot.
That's good.
And there is numerous jobswithin this community.
And I'm so thankful for thebusinesses in Columbus that are,
that have said, I will take therisk of hiring this individual.
There's also programs that if acompany takes a risk on a
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individual, let's say justcoming out of prison, it's a
federal bonding program.
An employer can say I'll takethat guy that just came out of
prison.
I'll get federally bonded sothat if the risk doesn't pay
off, I'm still covered.
And it's a great thing forbusinesses.
It's a great thing.
What does that look like?
It it's, let's say for instancethat I'm the manager of
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McDonald's.
And someone comes in off thestreet and they say, Hey, I just
got out of prison last week andI need a job.
Then that manager, thatemployer, whoever, whomever it
may be, can go to there's afederal bonding program.
They can go online and say, Iwant to be federally bonded.
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And then a questionnaire willpop up and who are you going to
be federally bonded with?
And then they would put Mike, myname I just got out of prison
and then the United Statesgovernment will say, it's like
an insurance clause.
If Mike chooses to destroy yourwindows, your business, destroy
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property, steal stuff, whatever,we're going to cover it because
you took a chance on thatindividual.
And so that business can becomefederally bonded and it's a, I
where the government will say,if you'll take a chance on
someone coming out of prison andit doesn't go well for you,
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we'll cover the cost that yourbusiness has incurred up to a
certain amount.
We'll cover the cost of that.
And so it's a win, not only forthe business, but for the guy
that's coming out that says, Ican't get a job.
And then I'll ask the individualcoming out of prison or jail,
have you asked about them beingfederally bonded?
That individual, let's say Mike,goes to the Department of Labor.
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I punch in my social at theDepartment of Labor.
They give me a little slip thatsays, this is my federal bonding
information.
I take that to the employer thatI want to get a job with and
say, here Phil here's my federalbonding paperwork.
If you'll take a chance on me,the United States government
will back up my word.
It's a absolute win, and that'snever advertised enough.
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And, matter of fact, it's rarelyused, sadly.
That's interesting.
Phil (25:16):
I never knew about that.
And I think I don't know thestatistics.
I think it's probably a verysmall percentage that would
actually do something like thatto damage a business.
I'm sure it's everything ispossible, but I'm sure that's
such a small percentage, but Ithink the greater challenges,
the maybe the wrong perceptionin the minds of employers to
think, Oh, the worst casescenario when it almost never
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happens, but they just, theythink that the risk is so much
greater than maybe it actuallyis.
But that program, I thinkminimizes that.
that perception in their mindbut I never knew about that
program.
Mike (25:48):
I have been working in this sort of field of dealing
with getting men out of prisonor jail or homelessness for
about 13 years, a little morethan 13 years.
In my 13 years of experience, Ithink I've known one case where
An individual coming out of jailor prison damaged some property
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or stole some property and theactual bonding program had to be
put in effect May 1.
Wow.
In more than 13 years.
So it's, but it's, it gives thatbusiness owner reassurance and
some confidence.
Now from the individual comingout of prison or coming out of
jail or whatever thecircumstances is.
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The mere fact of getting a job,someone taking a chance on them.
Because remember in thebeginning, we talked about that
absolute loss of hope of sayinglife is never going to work out
for me, no matter what I try, nomatter what I do, because of my
past, it's never going to workout.
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And then I go to McDonald's andthey give me a t shirt and put a
special in my hand.
Somebody took a chance on me.
That hope factor has increased
Phil (27:06):
yeah.
Mike (27:07):
And it becomes a beautiful thing.
So the guy, we coach these mento go look for work.
Don't get discouraged.
This is going to work out.
Yes.
You may hear no.
Okay.
Whether, regardless of.
Who you are as a human being,you're going to hear no along
the way.
Great.
Yes.
People that look great and talkgreat and act great.
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Like they get a bunch of notes,right?
You just move forward, and sothen the men, they get their
job.
We get their work schedule andproof of verification of
employment.
Then we tell them that, allright, a certain percentage of
this money you're going to payyourself.
Phil (27:45):
So they're work, they get a job, they're working, so now
we're going into the phase 2 orphase 3.
Mike (27:50):
We're in, we're into phase 3 once you have a job.
Okay.
You're into phase 3, you'regoing to set aside a person,
you're going to pay yourself,you're going to take this amount
of money and you're going to putit into personal savings.
And we're going to monitor that.
You're going to pay yourself sothat when the time comes, when
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you have 1, 500 in personalsavings, then you can pay your
first month's deposit, yourfirst month's rent, your
security deposits for electricand water.
That's what that personalsavings is used for.
So that we can assure that whenthis person is transitioning out
of this emergency homelessshelter.
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That guy has cash in hand to paythat landlord and say I'm
dependable.
I have a job Here is your money
Phil (28:40):
Yeah,
Mike (28:41):
and then they can get that key
Phil (28:42):
that I think the additional hope would be that it
teaches them a Valuable habitpattern of absolutely up right.
They get in they pay all thatstuff Life happens, right?
You, maybe you don't have a car,you're taking the bus.
Finally, you get a car and thenall of a sudden your car has
some kind of problem that youhave to pay a lot of money for
it.
So if you're in the habit ofsaving up money, you can prepare
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in advance for those things.
Mike (29:06):
Now in our job, the staff in particularly at Freedom
House, our job, one of our jobsis that as we're moving men.
from homelessness to hope tohome of their own.
These phase works is that we'regoing to monitor.
We're going to hold these menaccountable.
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Okay, you had a job getting goodreports.
Then you were late to, then youdidn't show up for work these
two days of the week.
What's going on?
Are you losing footing?
Are you losing ground?
What's going on?
The case managers are gonna stepin and hold the individual
accountable.
Alright?
You didn't, you agreed to put in$200 out of this check into
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personal savings.
You put in a hundred timeout,and we're gonna monitor that.
We're gonna look at that.
We're gonna coach them in andsay, look, we're gonna hold you
accountable.
Cause one day, one day in thenear future, when you step out
on your own and you don't haveMike breathing down your back
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saying, how come you didn't makeyour bed?
How come you didn't brush yourteeth?
How come you didn't put insavings?
You're going to be on your ownand we'll want you to have the
disciplines that you need to doit on your own, where you can
ask yourself, did I make my bed?
Did I brush my teeth?
Did I put on my shoes?
And was I on time for work?
So we hope to instill thosethings and yes that it that
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requires an Enormous amount ofaccountability as well as
coaching and mentoring andloving them like Jesus, of
course.
Phil Shuler (30:43):
We look forward to being with you again next week
as we share another testimonyabout the power and the goodness
of God to change lives throughSafe House Ministries.
if you are someone listening tothis podcast that loves to hear
these stories of the greatthings that God is doing in
changing people's lives for thebetter, and if you would like to
be a part of that work, pleasereach out to us You can reach us
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Thank you so much for being with us
this week for the renew restoreand rejoice podcast of safe
house ministries, we pray thatGod will bless you this week.
And we look forward to havingyou back with us again next week
for a new episode.
when you see a heartbeat.
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A human, a beautiful life that'sGod created, transformed from
whatever the struggle is.
And they share with you.
Mike, whoever the staff member,Mike or friend or whatever.
I got it today.
I got a place of my own.
I get to move into a place of myown.
I've got a job.
I was able to, get my first setof wheels.
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I was able, I've been clean for,60 days, 90 days.
I've been clean for six months.
I've been clean for a year, justto see those things.
It's a beautiful, absolutelybeautiful experience.
And I really, sitting in my seatas facility manager, seeing the
fruit of not just what I havethe privilege of seeing, but
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seeing the fruit of thecaseworkers, the house managers
the folks that volunteer atFreedom House and Safe House
Ministries the churches, theministries that come in and
mentor our men, the, and we weregoing with we were leading from
the, all of this big pictureleading to moving these men
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from, Homelessness for whateverreason to these men actually
becoming heroes, giving back
Phil Shuler (01:14):
HellO, and welcome to Renew, Restore, Rejoice, the
Safe House Ministries podcast,where we share stories of the
power of God to change livesthrough Safe House Ministries.
Safe House Ministries is basedout of Columbus, Georgia, and we
are a ministry that exists tolove and serve people who have
been affected by addiction,homelessness, and incarceration.
I'm your host, Phil Shuler, theDirector of Development for Safe
(01:36):
House Ministries here inColumbus, Georgia.
Safe House serves over 1, 100people each month as they
transition back into ourcommunity.
Safe House provides an abundanceof services including 213 beds
for homeless individuals andfamilies, case management for
obtaining job skills and longterm employment.
Over 300 hot meals every day,free clothing, and so much more.
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One of the most incredibleservices that Safe House
provides is our free 9 12 monthintensive outpatient substance
abuse program, which is statelicensed, CARF accredited, and
has no wait list.
Almost 100 percent ofindividuals staying in our
shelters who follow our threephase program become fully
employed within a few months.
And 68 percent of individualswho stay at least one night with
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us End up finding work andmoving into their own home.
Thank you for being with ustoday and listening to our
podcast.
We hope you enjoy this week'sepisode.
Mike (02:27):
another gentleman by the name of Ephraim and these are
some of the heroes in my life.
Ephraim was one of the mostcantankerous, angry, frustrated,
aggressive men that I had evercome in contact with.
And I even remember questioningmy own resolve in Okay, God, you
(02:49):
for real?
Cause I'm, you got to do this.
Cause there's no way I'm goingto get through this knucklehead.
And if you talk to Ephraimtoday, he and I have a brotherly
love between each other.
We have a friendship betweeneach other, the transition.
And by the way, the Ephraim wasalso suffering from some
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substance abuse issues to seethe transition over the 308
days, as he walked throughtreatment, as he walked through
getting a job, as he walkedthrough saving money, and It
eventually came to a point, asEphraim's last days in Freedom
House, that You could go to himand ask him, he'd give you
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whatever.
He would give you his time.
He would give you the shirt offhis back.
He would give you a pair ofshoes.
He would give you something toeat.
He would give you hope andencouragement.
And a man who was once upon atime, aggressive and angry and
just seemed to be, he becameagreeable.
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He became enjoyable.
He became a source of light.
And just to see thattransformation over that year
from what God did in that man'slife.
And still today he actuallycalled one of our case managers
this morning wanting to knowwhere Mike is.
He wanted to, you need to comeby and see my apartment.
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You need to see how it's, just ajoy to see.
a man so trapped in the bitterresentment and anger and the
throes of substance abuse thatheld him down to absolute
freedom and a hero of the faith,a hero of the ministry.
And I'm actually thankful forhim.
(04:38):
And I won't share a whole bunch.
There's, I got tons.
There's another guy named Nick.
Nick came from out of state.
He was a veteran.
He went into the military withthe mindset of serving his
country, honor, dignity, All thecharacteristics that you hope
for in a soldier he wanted toemulate that.
(04:59):
Yeah, he was very optimistic,
Phil (05:00):
idealistic, very patriotic.
Mike (05:02):
Oh, the whole, what you want, hope for in a soldier,
Nick was.
Nick came into addiction andsome other issues wound up
finding, getting into a littletrouble.
At the end, he had nowhere tolive, nowhere to go, burned some
bridges, unfortunately.
And when he came to FreedomHouse, that shame that I was
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once a soldier, And now I'mhomeless.
I was once characterized byhonor, duty, glory, all those
things that we hope to find in asoldier.
He felt that I have betrayed mycountry.
I've betrayed my God.
I've betrayed, the people thatsupposedly I serve.
And now here I am.
(05:47):
And so seeing that, that shameand that guilt and that
frustration turn intodetermination, devotion,
hardworking, family orientatedtrusting.
This man was trusting to afault.
He would help you no matterwhat.
(06:09):
And I don't want to, I thinkNick's biggest issue was himself
because he would give, like he,for me, he would give you the
shirt off his back, but he wasso focused and determined that
in record time, he passedthrough the phases, got a job,
saved every single penny hecould, made sacrifices, let me
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add a little water to thetoothpaste and not a little
water to the soap.
Let me, and to be able to.
He was trusting to a fault inthat he went to get a place of
his own.
Unfortunately, he wasn'tfamiliar with the schemes of the
world and wound up losing everypenny he had.
Comes back into freedom.
Kicked down a second time, hehadn't left freedom, but he was
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getting ready to leave and yetas the men and women of Freedom
House, Safe House Ministries,worked and watched and witnessed
and read and prayed and listenedand worked with them, that same
hero that was inside of him,Just absolutely blossomed.
(07:17):
He recently, a week ago, movedinto a place of his own.
He now has he's in a beautifulrelationship.
His reconciliation with hisfamily, with his friends, with
his, it was just beautiful tosee the destructive decisions
became such a fruitful.
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Glorious reconciliation of whatGod plans for every family.
And it was an absolute beautifulthing.
Wow.
So whether, no matter what thecircumstances, a veteran, not a
veteran man, woman, substanceabuse, not substance abuse we've
had folks that's come toveterans, Come to Freedom that's
had their apartment catch onfire and they didn't have
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anywhere to live.
We've had men that for whateverreason have come to Freedom
House, who wound up losing boththeir legs and we've had folks
with who had extreme medicalchallenges.
And just the despair when yousee a heartbeat.
A human, a beautiful life that'sGod created, transformed from
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whatever the struggle is.
And they share with you.
Mike, whoever the staff member,Mike or friend or whatever.
I got it today.
I got a place of my own.
I get to move into a place of myown.
I've got a job.
I was able to, get my first setof wheels.
I was able, I've been clean for,60 days, 90 days.
I've been clean for six months.
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I've been clean for a year, justto see those things.
It's a beautiful, absolutelybeautiful experience.
And I really, sitting in my seatas facility manager, seeing the
fruit of not just what I havethe privilege of seeing, but
seeing the fruit of thecaseworkers, the house managers
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the folks that volunteer atFreedom House and Safe House
Ministries the churches, theministries that come in and
mentor our men, the, and we weregoing with we were leading from
the, all of this big pictureleading to moving these men
from, Homelessness for whateverreason to these men actually
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becoming heroes, giving back,coming back on Sunday night and
giving their testimonies andsay, let me tell you what
Freedom House did for me.
Let me tell, of course they'llmention staff members and
they'll say, Sam did this, Mattdid this, Barbara did this, Mike
did this, whoever the person is,this person chap took a chap.
Took a risk and took a chanceand gave me another an
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opportunity.
I do want to share anotherincident.
A man by the name of Kevin youngkid.
I think he had just turned 18 tobe able to get into our
facility.
Kevin had a he had some mentalhealth concerns.
Mental health diagnosis, he hada childhood with some traumas
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single mom a bunch ofchallenges.
And this young kid, I say a kid,he was a man, but when you're my
age, everybody's a kid.
Kevin came in and his wholeentire world was His mom, this
single mother that was trying todo her best in every aspect of
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the sense, every sense of theword, to a men's shelter where a
majority of his life, the malewas not the role model.
The male was the individual whoharmed him.
The male was, he didn't havesomebody to look up to.
He didn't have somebody toaspire to be.
He didn't have, those thingsthat we hope to instill in our
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kids.
And Kevin came to us with notonly emotional baggage, mental
health concerns, spiritualbattles.
He was just so young and to see,and I think the average age in
our facility is probably 40.
(11:16):
Okay.
I'm guessing.
That's
Phil (11:17):
younger than I would have guessed.
Mike (11:19):
Yeah, about 40.
Kevin being one of the youngestthat we've ever had.
Brand new kid.
Kevin lived in absolute fear.
A man who couldn't sleep, whocouldn't eat, who, because of
his lack of sleep, lack ofnutrition his body began to
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break down.
We tried multiple avenues.
Let's get medical in here, let'sget counselors in here, let's
get the professionals in here,let's see what we can do to get
Kevin the help and assistancethat he needs.
And I'm so thankful that Safehouse ministries has such a
beautiful connection with somany other organizations in our
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community.
I didn't mean for the salespitch, but hey, that it is what
it is.
Whether it's anyway so manyother organizations stepped in
to try and aid us in helpingKevin and loving Kevin.
Eventually, Kevin wastransferred out of Freedom
House.
And at first, the staff and Iwere discouraged.
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We were disheartened.
We were we lost.
We lost one of the, one of thebattles.
And I have to share this.
His mother called me last week,as she does routinely, and she
said, Mike, I cannot thank youenough.
I cannot thank Sam.
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Sam was his case manager enough.
I cannot thank the house managerenough.
I cannot thank freedom house andsafe house ministries and the
work that you guys did.
Now we're thinking behind thescenes, we're thinking that we
have failed and the, and Kevin'smom began to share.
Kevin has come, he has come outof his shell.
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He is becoming the man that hewanted to become.
He's becoming, he's, he used tobe an introvert.
Now he's more of an extrovert.
He's sharing and doing andworking and thriving and he has
an opinion and he has plans andgoals and he, these goals are
becoming he's being able toaccomplish some of these goals.
And she says, I'm going to tellyou, Mike.
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You guys didn't fail.
Everything that you did atFreedom House helped my son
become a man.
Who knew?
Who knew?
Wow.
And so when, and I Kevin's mom,I, she calls at least 7th to 10
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day.
She said, I've got to give youan update.
I've got to tell you whatKevin's doing.
You're not going to believethis.
And the seeds that we planted,the work that we did, the labor
the hours and hours, the dealingwith the mental health
challenges, the medicalchallenges, the, the other
issues that, We're going on inthis young man's life that we
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couldn't see in the battle.
I I would just tell if you're,if a person is in the work of
ministry, the work of help theministry of, uh, presence, the
ministry of whatever ourministry is and helping folks
move from homelessness To becomethe men and women God planned.
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Don't give up.
Don't lose heart.
Because what you do, what we dois so extremely important from
the toothbrush to the IDs, birthcertificates, to the
appointments, to the get movingmen into the training, the
classes, the counseling, thesessions, the mentor, all of it,
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feeding, the cooking, thecleaning, all of it plays a very
important role to, you may notsee the victory, but God is
working in those folks lives.
Phil (15:17):
Praise the Lord.
That's really good.
That's
Mike (15:19):
I have a whole pack of them, but I'll let you talk for
so yeah.
And I want to hear more stories.
Phil (15:25):
But I think this is a good time to, to hear about what the
details look like within safehouse ministries at the shelter.
What is the structure?
What is the system?
What is the, so the phases, the,what does it look like when
someone Day one, have nothing,on the door, safe at Freedom
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House, the men's shelter.
And what does that process looklike as we walk them from that
point to
Mike (15:50):
If you don't mind, I'm going to start on the street.
Phil (15:52):
Yeah.
Mike (15:53):
Okay.
If anyone comes in contact withan individual that says, I'm
homeless, For whatever reason,I'm homeless.
The very first set ofinstructions that we will
provide is please call 2 1 1, 21 1 is United Way.
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United Way is a absolute.
Rock in this community.
And United Way does thereferrals to our shelters, to
our ministry.
And as facility managers, we'llget these referrals from United
Way.
And then once we get thereferrals, then I as a facility
manager, I'll reach out, andI'll contact said individual.
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Or if I've seen them at the safehouse or if I've seen them on
the street or wherever I've seenthem, I'll say, okay, can I have
your name?
Can I have your number?
Have you contacted 211?
Let us get a referral.
What is it that you need?
How can we help?
And then we encourage theindividual.
If we have a bed available, Andthere's multiple programs at
Freedom House.
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There's treatment and there'salso EG ESG, which is an
emergency shelter, but it breaksdown a little further than that.
But for the individual that'swe'll ask them, A, do you have a
substance abuse issue?
If you do, then we're, you're.
In this lane of moving forward.
If there's not a substance abuseissue, then there's this lane
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that will, this phase, series ofphase work that will follow.
And there, the phases are verymuch the same.
We just, we work on the recoveryand the treatment aspect of
substance abuse, and then wemove to the whole transition
into independence.
An individual calls 2 1 1, I getthe email, I call the individual
ask them some questions, justgeneral questions.
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Things such as, are there anylegal concerns that we need to
look at?
Are there any medical concernsthat we need to look at?
What is your financial situationright now?
And really, we're just gatheringinformation, because none of
it's really, if you're homeless.
As soon as we have a bed, we'regoing to put you in a bed.
We don't, there's no, We're notpartial to anybody, regardless
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of your background, regardlessof anything.
If you have a heartbeat andyou're homeless, we're going to
try to get you into a bed.
That's the bottom line.
So let's say I'm homeless.
I finally get this call fromPhil.
They said, all right, Mike, cometo the shelter.
I, I come to the shelter,whether it's via bus, a friend,
one of our staff bring, youbring me to Freedom House.
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I'll walk into the door, whetherI have what I'm wearing or
whether I have a bag of stuff.
The, immediately you'll begreeted by one of the staff
members.
The staff member will see thestuff you bring.
Check out some stuff.
Make sure that we get thingsclean and organized.
If you have medication, thatgoes to the facility manager.
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We want to make sure that you'retaking the meds you're supposed
to be taking.
If you're, Property needs to becleaned and we help you do that
before we get you into a room.
We'll provide the client, orthey, I would be given bedding,
toiletries.
If it's mealtime, giving a mealor giving a snack until the meal
comes.
I will show that individual to aroom.
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Let them know that this is yourroom.
This is your home.
Welcome home.
And we'll tell them welcomehome.
And we'll put them in a bed andsaying, this is your bed.
This is your dresser.
This is your chair.
This is your closet.
You're sharing a room with aindividual.
This is your roommate, usuallytwo to a room.
And then we set up a time withour intake coordinator and then
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an intake coordinator.
Who is absolutely remarkable.
Our intake coordinator will sitdown with the individual and
say, Okay, every house, myhouse, your house, any house,
has a set of guidelines, rules,expectations, so to speak.
This is what time you wake up.
This is when we eat.
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This is when you take your meds.
This is how we start moving youforward.
And phase, of course, thenthey'll be assigned a case
manager.
The house managers take care ofeverything at the facility.
The function of the facility,the cleanliness of the facility,
the scheduling of the chores,the making sure, I have a honey
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do list when I go home.
If if you live in a house,you're going to do something,
and so they're assigned a littlebit of responsibility and
whether it's okay, every Tuesdayevening you're washing the
dishes, and so they may wash thedishes and that gives'em a sense
of, okay, I accomplished that.
I did chart anyway, movingforward.
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So they.
The first thing we will assessis, do you have any form of ID?
Do you have an ID?
Do you have a social securitycard?
Do you have a birth certificate?
If you don't, We're going to setyou up with VoteRiders, our
representative.
He's also a case manager at ourfacility.
Sam's going to help you getthese things.
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Then while we're, while we getyou your ID, we get you your
social security card while we'rewaiting on your birth
certificate, we're going to sendyou to Goodwill.
And we're, you're going to spenda couple of days doing eight
classes that teach you how tocommunicate.
How to search for a job, how todo an interview, a job
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interview, how you should dressin an interview, some of the
skills required for any job,what that looks like being on
time being dependable, beinghonest.
So we'll, they'll walk throughthat little training week of,
Trying to find out what gettinga job looks like being
responsible, and then we'll tellthem that you are expected to
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look for a job.
Here are some of the toolsyou'll need to get a job.
They've already walked throughthe resume process.
Then they'll begin, we'll, docoaching or our list of jobs or
through Goodwill.
They'll have ample plethora ofjobs that are available in
Columbus, regardless of thebackground.
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And some of the backgrounds werevery challenging and there's
still jobs available.
Phil (22:03):
Yeah, that's good to know.
I think sometimes people arehopeless in the sense of, look
I'm labeled as this.
I've got this in my background.
No one's going to give me a job,but you're saying that's not
true.
There are,
Mike (22:13):
that is absolutely not true.
There are companies.
In this county and othercounties that are so willing to
say, I don't care if you're afelon.
I don't care if you've been toprison.
I don't care if you've been tojail.
I don't care if you're, you havea passive substance abuse.
I don't care what yourcircumstance is.
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If you will show up, be willingto work and be dependable, I'll
give you a shot.
That's good.
And there is numerous jobswithin this community.
And I'm so thankful for thebusinesses in Columbus that are,
that have said, I will take therisk of hiring this individual.
There's also programs that if acompany takes a risk on a
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individual, let's say justcoming out of prison, it's a
federal bonding program.
An employer can say I'll takethat guy that just came out of
prison.
I'll get federally bonded sothat if the risk doesn't pay
off, I'm still covered.
And it's a great thing forbusinesses.
It's a great thing.
What does that look like?
It it's, let's say for instancethat I'm the manager of
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McDonald's.
And someone comes in off thestreet and they say, Hey, I just
got out of prison last week andI need a job.
Then that manager, thatemployer, whoever, whomever it
may be, can go to there's afederal bonding program.
They can go online and say, Iwant to be federally bonded.
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And then a questionnaire willpop up and who are you going to
be federally bonded with?
And then they would put Mike, myname I just got out of prison
and then the United Statesgovernment will say, it's like
an insurance clause.
If Mike chooses to destroy yourwindows, your business, destroy
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property, steal stuff, whatever,we're going to cover it because
you took a chance on thatindividual.
And so that business can becomefederally bonded and it's a, I
where the government will say,if you'll take a chance on
someone coming out of prison andit doesn't go well for you,
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we'll cover the cost that yourbusiness has incurred up to a
certain amount.
We'll cover the cost of that.
And so it's a win, not only forthe business, but for the guy
that's coming out that says, Ican't get a job.
And then I'll ask the individualcoming out of prison or jail,
have you asked about them beingfederally bonded?
That individual, let's say Mike,goes to the Department of Labor.
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I punch in my social at theDepartment of Labor.
They give me a little slip thatsays, this is my federal bonding
information.
I take that to the employer thatI want to get a job with and
say, here Phil here's my federalbonding paperwork.
If you'll take a chance on me,the United States government
will back up my word.
It's a absolute win, and that'snever advertised enough.
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And, matter of fact, it's rarelyused, sadly.
That's interesting.
Phil (25:16):
I never knew about that.
And I think I don't know thestatistics.
I think it's probably a verysmall percentage that would
actually do something like thatto damage a business.
I'm sure it's everything ispossible, but I'm sure that's
such a small percentage, but Ithink the greater challenges,
the maybe the wrong perceptionin the minds of employers to
think, Oh, the worst casescenario when it almost never
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happens, but they just, theythink that the risk is so much
greater than maybe it actuallyis.
But that program, I thinkminimizes that.
that perception in their mindbut I never knew about that
program.
Mike (25:48):
I have been working in this sort of field of dealing
with getting men out of prisonor jail or homelessness for
about 13 years, a little morethan 13 years.
In my 13 years of experience, Ithink I've known one case where
An individual coming out of jailor prison damaged some property
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or stole some property and theactual bonding program had to be
put in effect May 1.
Wow.
In more than 13 years.
So it's, but it's, it gives thatbusiness owner reassurance and
some confidence.
Now from the individual comingout of prison or coming out of
jail or whatever thecircumstances is.
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The mere fact of getting a job,someone taking a chance on them.
Because remember in thebeginning, we talked about that
absolute loss of hope of sayinglife is never going to work out
for me, no matter what I try, nomatter what I do, because of my
past, it's never going to workout.
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And then I go to McDonald's andthey give me a t shirt and put a
special in my hand.
Somebody took a chance on me.
That hope factor has increased
Phil (27:06):
yeah.
Mike (27:07):
And it becomes a beautiful thing.
So the guy, we coach these mento go look for work.
Don't get discouraged.
This is going to work out.
Yes.
You may hear no.
Okay.
Whether, regardless of.
Who you are as a human being,you're going to hear no along
the way.
Great.
Yes.
People that look great and talkgreat and act great.
(27:29):
Like they get a bunch of notes,right?
You just move forward, and sothen the men, they get their
job.
We get their work schedule andproof of verification of
employment.
Then we tell them that, allright, a certain percentage of
this money you're going to payyourself.
Phil (27:45):
So they're work, they get a job, they're working, so now
we're going into the phase 2 orphase 3.
Mike (27:50):
We're in, we're into phase 3 once you have a job.
Okay.
You're into phase 3, you'regoing to set aside a person,
you're going to pay yourself,you're going to take this amount
of money and you're going to putit into personal savings.
And we're going to monitor that.
You're going to pay yourself sothat when the time comes, when
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you have 1, 500 in personalsavings, then you can pay your
first month's deposit, yourfirst month's rent, your
security deposits for electricand water.
That's what that personalsavings is used for.
So that we can assure that whenthis person is transitioning out
of this emergency homelessshelter.
(28:31):
That guy has cash in hand to paythat landlord and say I'm
dependable.
I have a job Here is your money
Phil (28:40):
Yeah,
Mike (28:41):
and then they can get that key
Phil (28:42):
that I think the additional hope would be that it
teaches them a Valuable habitpattern of absolutely up right.
They get in they pay all thatstuff Life happens, right?
You, maybe you don't have a car,you're taking the bus.
Finally, you get a car and thenall of a sudden your car has
some kind of problem that youhave to pay a lot of money for
it.
So if you're in the habit ofsaving up money, you can prepare
(29:04):
in advance for those things.
Mike (29:06):
Now in our job, the staff in particularly at Freedom
House, our job, one of our jobsis that as we're moving men.
from homelessness to hope tohome of their own.
These phase works is that we'regoing to monitor.
We're going to hold these menaccountable.
(29:28):
Okay, you had a job getting goodreports.
Then you were late to, then youdidn't show up for work these
two days of the week.
What's going on?
Are you losing footing?
Are you losing ground?
What's going on?
The case managers are gonna stepin and hold the individual
accountable.
Alright?
You didn't, you agreed to put in$200 out of this check into
(29:52):
personal savings.
You put in a hundred timeout,and we're gonna monitor that.
We're gonna look at that.
We're gonna coach them in andsay, look, we're gonna hold you
accountable.
Cause one day, one day in thenear future, when you step out
on your own and you don't haveMike breathing down your back
(30:13):
saying, how come you didn't makeyour bed?
How come you didn't brush yourteeth?
How come you didn't put insavings?
You're going to be on your ownand we'll want you to have the
disciplines that you need to doit on your own, where you can
ask yourself, did I make my bed?
Did I brush my teeth?
Did I put on my shoes?
And was I on time for work?
So we hope to instill thosethings and yes that it that
(30:35):
requires an Enormous amount ofaccountability as well as
coaching and mentoring andloving them like Jesus, of
course.
Phil Shuler (30:43):
We look forward to being with you again next week
as we share another testimonyabout the power and the goodness
of God to change lives throughSafe House Ministries.
if you are someone listening tothis podcast that loves to hear
these stories of the greatthings that God is doing in
changing people's lives for thebetter, and if you would like to
be a part of that work, pleasereach out to us You can reach us
(31:06):
at 2101 Hamilton Road, Columbus,Georgia, 31,904.
You can call us at seven oh sixthree two two.
3 7, 7 3, or you can email us atinfo@safehouse-ministries.com.
Microphone (Samson Q2U Mi (31:22):
Thank you so much for being with us
this week for the renew restoreand rejoice podcast of safe
house ministries, we pray thatGod will bless you this week.
And we look forward to havingyou back with us again next week
for a new episode.
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