March 20, 2024 • 32 mins
Is Jeffrey Dahmer in Heaven?
Could the story of a man as notorious as Jeffrey Dahmer hold a lesson profound enough to shake the very foundations of our faith? That's the question Angie and Stephens from the Christ Alone Podcast help us explore as they join us on a temporary detour from our usual programming. While I, Rick, take a well-deserved break, our guest hosts delve into the harrowing tale of Dahmer's grisly past and the redemptive narrative that unfolded in the hands of his baptizing pastor. This episode is not for the faint of heart, as it confronts us with a narrative that pushes the boundaries of Christian beliefs about redemption and shines a light on the power of spiritual transformation in even the darkest of places.
As we gear up for my return next week, timed with the solemnity of Resurrection Sunday, Angie and Stephens guide us through a reflection on the universal nature of sin and the salvation that Christianity promises. They dare to compare the seemingly incomparable: a trivial lie with acts of unspeakable evil, highlighting the Christian doctrine that any sin creates a chasm between humanity and divine perfection. This powerful conversation examines the eternal versus temporal consequences of sin, the sincerity of Dahmer's conversion, and the ultimate judgment that resides with a higher authority. Prepare for an episode that not only challenges but also invites us to understand the transformative impact of faith and the boundless capacity for grace.
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Rick Yuhas (00:04):
Hey, welcome to Renewed Mindsets, where we study
the basics of the faith throughthe lens of our middle-aged
experiences.
I'm Rick.
Welcome to the show where Ihelp you, gen Xers and
millennials, navigatespiritually through a world that
looks nothing like we expectedback, when cars were square and
bullets were totally awesome.
(00:25):
I am so glad you're here.
Stevens (00:30):
Well have.
Rick Yuhas (00:30):
I got a treat for you.
I'm taking some much neededtime off.
I love this show and I lovemaking it for you, but this has
been non-stop, week after week,since October 10th last year
Almost six months of what isessentially a second full-time
job.
I'm excited to introduce youtoday to Christ Alone Podcast.
(00:55):
Angie and Stephens are brotherand sister podcast hosts.
I believe I referred to them ashusband and wife a few months
back, just when I think youcouldn't possibly be any dumber
you go and do something likethis.
I didn't know and totallyredeem yourself, and that's
(01:16):
after I sold my dead bird to ablind kid.
Anyway, let me get back to it.
This episode is about JeffreyDahmer and is very interesting.
I believe you'll like it.
I'll be back next week for the25th episode.
That just so happens to fall onthe week of Resurrection Sunday
.
I appreciate and I love you Seeya.
Stevens (01:45):
Thank you for listening to Christ Alone
Podcast, where we believe thatJesus lived, died and
resurrected according to theScriptures.
Angie (01:53):
Our hope is that God can bless you through this week's
episode.
Stevens (02:11):
All right, welcome back.
Angie (02:15):
You're listening to Angie and Stephens podcast Christ
Alone, christ Alone.
Stevens (02:20):
Podcast.
All right, welcome back.
God bless you all.
Happy New Year.
Oh, that was my plan.
Yeah, so yeah, let's, let'skick this year off.
I mean we?
I mentioned last episode thatwe're going to continue with 1st
Peter, but of course, God hasother plans.
Angie (02:40):
So earlier this week my brother messaged me about a book
he was reading and I was veryintrigued.
He said it was written by thepastor who baptized Jeffrey
Dahmer.
So I'm like I want to read thatand so I got the book and it's
a short book so I finished itwithin a couple of days, does he
?
I'm sure you finished it inlike two seconds and it was just
(03:02):
so great.
We just want to talk about itbecause I think it's a, it's a
great topic to discuss.
So it's called the dark journeydeep grace, by Roy Ratcliffe
with Lindy Adams.
Stevens (03:13):
Yeah, and it's basically Jeffrey's Dahmer,
jeffrey Dahmer's story of faith.
You know I did if you guys havebeen listening a while back,
maybe a year ago or more, I dida short rail video on the
alphabet apologetics page onInstagram and it was addressing
(03:34):
this particular topic.
There was a there was a lot ofcommotion going on about the
Jeffrey Dahmer Netflix seriesthat came out and so it was just
on everyone's radar.
Everyone was talking about itand the question kept coming up.
You know is Jeffrey Dahmer,because the last interview that
(03:54):
he did in 1994, he admits, youknow.
So that popped up on my feetand I was interested us.
So I watched it and it's and Iheard him very clearly say that
he had accepted Jesus as the oneand only God.
And and it shocked me because Ihad never heard that I was
(04:17):
about 12 years old when, whenJeffrey Dahmer was in prison and
and was, you know, then laterkilled.
But I knew about his crimesalso because I studied criminal
justice, so we went through allof that, but I never knew that
he had openly confessed thatChrist was his Lord and savior,
(04:40):
like in those very words.
So as a as a Christian now, asa real Christian I.
I was shocked to hear that forthe first time no-transcript.
I made a video and in the videoI didn't have enough
information.
But you know because.
Rick Yuhas (04:57):
I didn't know Jeffrey Dahmer.
Stevens (04:58):
I just we all know what he did right.
But when I heard that I thoughtand because there were so many
people having a problem with it,this one thing that kept coming
up that even the Book mentionswas like hey, if Jeffrey
Dahmer's in heaven, then I don'twant to be there.
And the worst part, crazy theworst part is that this was
(05:18):
coming from professingChristians.
Angie (05:22):
That's interesting.
So first I think we shouldstart off with talking about
maybe what Jeffrey Dahmer isknown for, because honestly, I
didn't see the Netflix series.
I only I knew that he was aserial killer, but I didn't
realize what he did until Iactually read this book.
Man, I'm glad the book goesover this.
So he, basically, he was withhis parents parents divorced at
(05:44):
some point.
There is some Christian faiththroughout his life, but I think
at a young age His dad is goingto church and he just stops
going.
And the book goes into how,basically, the mom was feel was
made to feel guilty For her notgoing to church and so the dad
decided to not go to churchanymore and so he he ends up
(06:08):
just, I guess, doing church onhis own at home.
I mean, so, jeffrey Dahmer, heDoesn't go to church anymore.
Later on in his life he ends upliving with his grandmother and
During that time, after shortlyafter his parents divorce,
that's when he starts his serialkilling.
So he starts killing young men,late teens, early 20s and he
(06:30):
does Almost everything to them.
So he medialized them, he killsthem, he right, I think he rapes
them and he unconscious anddead and and he also eats some
of them and he does differentthings to his organs and he does
that to a number of a number of17.
(06:50):
Yeah, that, that's right.
17 different young men untilone day One guy is running down
the street.
He finds two cops of you knowhe was just with Jeffrey and and
he tells him what's happened,that he has handcuffs on him and
the cops go to Jeffrey's houseand they find him and they find
body parts of you know Goodamount of people that he had
(07:12):
just left around his house indifferent places because he also
, like, tested on his organs anddifferent things and he went to
jail and Surely after.
Well, we'll get to that, butthat's basically his story.
Now, reading, reading thatstory, that's that's I mean.
I mean I know the book goesinto whether or not he was sane
(07:33):
and From what the book describeshe was like he knew what he was
doing.
Right someone who is sane issomeone who knows what they're
doing and knows the consequencesof what they're doing Right.
And from what he's expressed indoc, what he expressed in
documentaries and what he saidat the court case, he knew
exactly what he was doing.
And, you know, I think one ofthe things that he told the the
(07:55):
judge and the jury is like youknow, I deserve, like I don't
deserve to, basically I deservewhatever punishment.
Stevens (08:02):
Yeah is yeah he didn't plead for like a lighter
sentence.
He's nothing.
He fully took on theresponsibility of that, and in
his last interview he alsoadmitted that.
You know, the reason that hedid these things is because he
believed in evolution.
He believed that we were justslimed that just kind of just
(08:24):
developed into what we are, andso he didn't feel a Conviction
to submit himself to any laws.
Angie (08:32):
Yeah, so if there was nobody that he needed to answer
to, then it really didn't matterwhat yeah did or didn't do
exactly.
Stevens (08:40):
If he Was his ultimate authority, then yeah, it didn't
matter.
And so he didn't.
He didn't find a reason why heshould be, you know, subject
himself to these rules andregulations or laws.
That's why I did these things.
Now, the other thing too is thatthe book does not mention is
that, you know, at a very youngage there were signs, but I
(09:00):
think his parents were just toodistracted With, you know, the
conflicts of, you know, maritalrelationship that they were
having, that that they neglectedto see the potential issue.
You know he started picking upanimals off the road and just,
you know, cutting them open.
And you know he was curious andyou know, I admit, when I was a
(09:23):
little kid I was curious aboutmaybe even some things like that
, like I, you know what, like,what are the, you know what does
the.
When you start being exposed tosome of these things You're
like, you know what is theinside of a body look like, or
what does this look like, or.
And you know he was just in atime and a place where he had
the means and he had the, youknow the, the watchful eyes that
(09:48):
were not watching, and so hewas able to kind of just doing
his own thing.
So on some level he heunderstood that he could do
those things and he was allowedto do those things and he could
hide those things and he admitsto that.
You know, as he grew older heknew that those things were
wrong, but it's just, he had,and I guess, an impulse to To do
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those things.
Angie (10:11):
So right and so the book goes over, is basically the
story like, like we mentionedearlier, of the pastor who is at
some point contacted.
So he because he received, heis notified that Jeffrey that
someone it wants to get baptizedin jail and then, once he does
some digging, he finds out thatit's actually Jeffrey Dahmer and
(10:33):
obviously his name was he wasfamous during that time and so
the pastor Agrees to first meetwith Jeffrey.
So you know, the book goes intohow he goes and talks to
Jeffrey, obviously to find outif his faith is genuine, and
after seemingly shortconversation he's like all right
, I'm gonna baptize you.
He sees that you know, his Lovefor Jesus is genuine, that his
(10:56):
desire to be baptized is genuine, and so he sets it all up and
he gets baptized, and then theystart.
And the awesome thing aboutthat is the pastor didn't just
Just baptize him, as after thathe's like no, I want to keep
meeting you on a weekly basisbecause I want you, I want to
make sure that you're developingyour faith, which was awesome
and Something that the pastordidn't realize.
(11:19):
I guess the one of the climax ofthe book is that right after he
baptizes Baptizes Dahmer hetells one person from church who
works for the media and hedoesn't think it's a big deal
and Right immediately afterthat's, you know, posted or sent
out.
He gets all these calls andthere's I guess there's that
(11:40):
question, you know, can hereally be baptized, did he
really have a genuine faith?
And a bunch of people wereangry, like you mentioned
earlier.
A lot of questions, a lot ofpeople said you know, if Jeffrey
Dahmer is in heaven, then Idon't want to be there.
Yeah, so I guess that's.
I think that's the main point,the main topic of the book and
something that we want todiscuss today.
Stevens (12:00):
Yeah, yeah, I'm like I was saying, you know those
questions were coming up.
You know, when I when I decidedto make that, that video on
alphabet, apologetics, and and Imade the video because of that,
because I I realized that whenChristians speak and they're not
being biblical, there's one ofthree things going on either
(12:23):
they don't understandChristianity, they don't
understand the subject matterthat they are speaking about, or
both.
They don't understand both,because I understand, you know,
as a baby Christian, you knowyou, you have to be disciple.
Then you know there are thingsthat that you are led to believe
because you hear it from peoplethat you trust that may not be
(12:44):
biblical, that just sound good,right, and I'm guilty of that.
I've.
There's things that I've had togo back and delete on social
media that I've posted that Ithought were correct, and Once I
found out that that was notbiblical, I went back and I
deleted it because I don't wantpeople to Misunderstand
scripture or God or anythinglike that, which is part of the
reason why we have this podcast.
(13:04):
So I made the video because Ithink this speaks to the grace
of God.
We've talked about on thepodcast before how people have
this idea, where they take thestandard of God, they cut it up
into pieces, they separate thepieces that convict them and
then they adopt the pieces thatconvict everyone else around
(13:26):
them.
Right, and we as humans, wehave a tendency to do that and
it's our sinful nature that thatleads us to that.
And when we do that, then westart saying, okay, well, I'm
not as bad as Hitler or I'm notas bad as Jeffrey Dahmer, but
I'm maybe.
I'm not as good as motherTeresa or Billy Graham.
(13:49):
Yeah, like no, billy Graham,mother Teresa and the like were
not Better than Hitler orJeffrey Dahmer.
I mean, from an earthlyperspective, we can say, yeah,
they were more lawful.
Maybe they did more to help thecommunity than to hurt the
community.
But you know, I think for along time, going back to Jeffrey
(14:13):
Dahmer, I think what JeffreyDahmer's crimes did was hurt the
community more than help thecommunity.
However, after reading thisbook, after understanding his
story a little bit more, Ibelieve that Jeffrey Dahmer the
when Jeffrey Dahmer ended up, Ithink is doing now the Opposite
(14:35):
of that, the inverse of that,because I think with this, if
people understand God's grace,they can look at Jeffrey
Dahmer's story and say you knowwhat, if Jeffrey Dahmer can
reach out to God and God won'tturn him away, then he can
definitely not turn me awayright.
Rick Yuhas (14:56):
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Stevens (15:33):
And I think, if we are gonna use comparison it, it's
gonna be helpful to do healthycomparisons Like that, because
then that's gonna lead us to soGod is gonna bring us to Christ.
Angie (15:45):
Yeah, I think it's.
It's easy, though, because Ithink one of the comments I got
from Someone you know when Itold them I was reading this
book is and they're not abeliever, they're like well is.
I don't think I don't rememberthe exact words, but basically
the idea was I, it's not fairbecause I how can you compare me
(16:05):
, who has lied to my parents,and Jeffrey Dahmer, who was
murder, and Hitler actually?
Rick Yuhas (16:11):
came up.
Angie (16:12):
Hitler, who has killed so many people, and we, you know
we can get the same type ofTreatment.
Stevens (16:19):
Yeah, side note.
Side note there's a.
There's a thing called I thinkit's called Godwin's law.
Angie (16:25):
What is it?
Stevens (16:25):
called Godwin's law.
Okay, man, I think if if thisis the correct one, look it up,
verify us.
But it's called Godwin's lawand it basically says that in in
a dispute, in an argument, thatif you argue long enough,
eventually Someone brings upHitler.
It is interesting it's superinteresting.
(16:48):
Anyways, side note yeah and Iguess.
Angie (16:51):
But I think it's interesting because I think it
talks to that person, you know,because I think we've all maybe
at some point thought somethinglike this.
It talks to our understandingof how, how good we think that
we actually are.
Stevens (17:07):
Yeah.
Angie (17:08):
And what we actually deserve.
Because if I understand that I,like we said earlier and I
think that this is the biggest,the biggest, I mean this is the
gospel right that my sin is so,so big, because when I, standing
next to God, who is perfect andeternal, my, if it eat, I mean
we're exaggerating here.
Even if I were to lie one time,that lies humongous.
Stevens (17:32):
That one lie makes you a liar.
Angie (17:33):
Yeah, and it deserves death, you know, and so there's
even talking.
I might be just skipping ahead,but you know there's one of the
things that Jeffrey struggledwith at some point is, you know,
in the Bible said he mentionedto the pastor.
He's like I think I deserve todie because of what I did, and
the pastor reason.
He answers he's like, yeah, youdo.
(17:55):
But something to realize,though, is that you know Jesus
took that.
He took that punishment, likehe took that death punishment
for us so that we wouldn't haveto.
Now Romans talks about howobviously God gives us God gives
us state governing power.
So there are states that aregonna have the death penalty.
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There are states that won'thave the death penalty.
It's up to that state basicallyto decide, but ultimately, god
did take that punishment for usand we are forgiven if we
believe that he did.
Stevens (18:29):
Amen, amen.
So you know living waters.
We've mentioned living watersministry here before.
Ray Comfort does a really goodjob of sharing the gospel and
you know, one of the thingsthat's common that I've learned
from watching his videos is thatwhen he asks this is one of the
questions that he asked toengage with people is do you
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think you're a good person?
And I wanna say, 99% of thetime everyone says yes, I think
I'm a good person.
So when I talk about this interms like with coworkers and
other people, I say yes.
From an earthly perspective,yeah, we are good people because
we abide by the law and all ofthat, but not by God's standard,
(19:13):
if we want.
Sometimes we hear people saywell, why doesn't God come and
punish the wicked?
Well, I don't think peopleunderstand the implications of
that statement, because ifyou're saying God, I want you to
come and punish the wicked,what is to stop God from
starting with the person askingthe question?
Angie (19:33):
Right.
What is it?
What is the difference?
There is no difference.
Stevens (19:38):
And I think that speaks to that point.
It's like no, you could look atit like why would Jeffrey
Dahmer be allowed to be saved?
Yeah, you know, by earthlystandards he was in prison,
justly so, and he deserved to bethere.
He deserved to be there for therest of his life.
If there was a death penaltyand he would have gotten
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sentenced to the death penalty,he would have deserved that.
That would have been deservingof his crimes.
But we're talking about hiscrimes.
Angie (20:08):
We're not like Talk about how he sinned against God.
His crimes against the society.
Rick Yuhas (20:14):
Society, not crimes against law.
Angie (20:17):
And that's one of the big pushbacks that the pastor got
after baptizing him, because Iguess the misunderstanding was
people were thinking oh so thendo you, because you baptized him
, do you think that he should befreed?
Absolutely not.
You know, like you said, it'sthe fact that he broke the law
against God, and so forgivenessof sins, I'm sorry, accepting
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him, forgives him of that beforeGod, but he still was bound to
be in jail and, like you said,took any penalty that the state
would have given him.
Stevens (20:46):
Amen, yeah, so, yeah, so, yeah, him being sorry and
all of that, that doesn't changethe crimes that he did.
He still.
There's a consequence for that.
But the same way that hesubmitted his life to Christ,
there's also a consequence forthat, and that's eternal life.
And that's eternal life in thepresence of God.
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Now I think we can't knowexactly for sure how genuine
Jeffrey Dahmer was in hisconfession.
Right, that's between him andGod.
And you know, roy Ratcliffe,who wrote the book and who
baptized him and and discipledhim, has probably a more solid
understanding of Jeffrey Dahmerbeing saved or not.
(21:29):
But after reading this book,after you know understanding
Jeffrey Dahmer's story and someof what he said, as long as all
that is true, I'm confident thathe is saved.
Now I won't.
We won't know for sure untilwe're in heaven and we see him.
But I always think about when Ithink about Jeffrey Dahmer
being in heaven.
I also think about when Paulwent to heaven.
(21:52):
Right, paul persecutedChristians, tortured them.
He did all these horriblethings.
Paul even admits Like listen,you want to talk about the bad
guys?
I'm the worst of the worst.
Angie (22:06):
That's the you know, that's the thing that people I
guess, I guess when you.
That's why we're surprised whenpeople say, hey, if Jeffrey
Dahmer's in heaven, I don't wantto be there, it's like.
But have you read the Bible?
Because the scriptures areclear and they're full of people
who fall so short, like theking that I was talking about
(22:26):
the other day, that hesacrificed his kids, like he
burned them alive, to a God thatwas to God, that wasn't God.
Stevens (22:36):
People who have cheated who have killed, who
have done yeah, I mean, we couldgo on down the list but it
speaks to God's grace and,honestly, it's a beautiful thing
to see that Paul went to heaven.
And here's the shocker for alot of Christians out there that
I would say and challenge to goback to the scripture and see
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what it says.
But those, all those people,all those Christians that Paul
persecuted, tortured and treatedhorribly, beginning with
Stephen the martyr, right, they,I promise you, they all
received Paul with open arms inheaven.
I promise you.
Because why?
Because that's what the graceof God teaches us, that's what
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scripture teaches us, that'swhat Jesus taught us.
So so, yeah, I mean to me, Ilove talking about this because
it again it honors and glorifiesGod and puts a focus on his
grace, because I think thatgrace is humbling when you think
(23:44):
about it, it is.
Like I think about it as likeman, really like Jeffrey Dahmer,
he could be saved.
Why can't I Like, yeah, like tome, that's beautiful.
And then it's like there's nodepth that you can find yourself
in, that God can't reach you,that God cannot save you from.
(24:06):
There's something that someonementioned too recently, and
they're talking about sellingyour soul to the devil, and it's
like I don't think there issuch a thing.
I mean, you can submit to thedevil and the devil will give
you the, you know all the thingsthat you want, maybe, but that
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doesn't mean you can't be saved.
You're still alive.
As long as you're still aliveand breathing, god can still
save you, as long as you repentand you believe that Christ is
your Lord and Savior.
Angie (24:43):
And I think that's why I mean, when you look at someone
who is genuinely Christian, youcan see that you can hopefully
see that fruit of the spirit,which one of them is joy.
And it's like why can you bejoyous, no matter your
circumstances, like because I'vebeen greatly forgiven, like you
don't like my.
I was hopeless and God gave mehope.
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I had no purpose and God gaveme purpose.
I was doomed to get an internalpunishment, and he's gonna.
He's given me salvation foreternity and that's just a
beautiful thing no matter whatmy situation is, no matter what
my circumstances, becausenothing in this world and in
this life is, I guess,consistent except for God.
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He is always there.
Stevens (25:28):
Amen, yeah, and I think Jeffrey Dahmer's story is
just.
It's one that everyone knows, Ithink, I think it's one that
most people know.
But there are many stories likethis, there are many redemptive
stories, not just in scripture,not just in real life, but
there's plenty of stories likeit.
And, again, I think it's theepitome of what Paul talks about
(25:54):
in Romans 5.20, where he saysnow the law came in to increase
the trespass, but where sin isincreased, grace abounds all the
more.
It means the more sin that isin your life when you turn your
life to Christ, the more gracethere is, because it's required.
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And you know, I find that thepeople who have, like, the most
hardcore testimonies also turnout to be like, really, I don't
know, I don't know how to say it, but they, like there's a
somewhere in the Gospels whereit talks about like, if your
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debt is forgiven, like I thinkit's Jesus that asked like who's
debt?
Who's more grateful for theirdebt being forgiven, the one
who's forgiven less or the onewho's forgiven the most?
And it's like no, the one whowas forgiven the most is more
grateful because, you know, ifyou owe a million dollars and I
owe five dollars and somebodypays my debt and it's like all
(26:59):
right, thanks, that's nice.
But if someone pays your debt,it's like what?
Rick Yuhas (27:04):
Yeah.
Stevens (27:04):
You know, it's like that's crazy, you know, and it's
like how much more appreciative, how much more are you going to
be than me?
Angie (27:14):
Especially if it's something that I don't deserve.
It's like it just.
It just comes out like why I'dbe, like, why, like, how can I,
what can I do to pay you back.
Stevens (27:22):
Exactly, there's nothing.
There's nothing we can do.
So, again, this speaks to thegrace of God, and you know that
there there isn't anyone who'sbreathing today that might be
listening to this message.
That is too far gone for youknow.
Repentance and submission toChrist.
Angie (27:43):
Amen, I mean, I think, to .
To finish, I think the bigquestion to ask ourselves is not
whether or not Jeffrey Dahmeris saved.
Is he in heaven or not it's.
Are we saved?
Amen.
The listener, whoever you are,do you believe that you are
saved?
Okay, and if you don't, we, wepray, we encourage you to come
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to Jesus.
I'm telling you, he is like.
He is the father with open armsnear the prodigal son or
daughter who has returned.
Or maybe you've never known Godin your life and you want to
come to him.
He is your father also and heloves you and he's been waiting
for you to come home.
We ask that you repent of yoursins and turn to him and if you
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are, if you're not sure, ifyou're saved, if you are a
Christian you're like I honestlyam not sure we encourage you to
press into God, press into yourtime with him, press into your
word, find a community and indoing so, he will give you that
assurance that you need, becausethe Bible says that there is no
, there is no fear of love, butperfect love casts out fear,
because fear has to do withpunishment.
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Those who, those who fear, havenot been perfected in love, and
so he wants us to not be afraid, he wants us to be sure, he
wants us to look to the future,to eternal life, after we've
died, with hope, knowing that wewill be with him.
Stevens (29:07):
Amen, and and and there is a way to know I.
There was a question asked inone some group that I'm a part
of, I don't remember which one,but they asked is there, is
there a way to know for surethat I am saved?
And that speaks to the to whatyou mentioned, and one of the
verses that came to mind was 2ndCorinthians, chapter one,
(29:29):
verses 21 and 22, where it saysand it is God who establishes us
with you in Christ and hasanointed us, and who has also
put his seal on us and given ushis spirit in our hearts as a
guarantee.
That guarantee means security.
It means that that's it.
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You know when something breaksand there's a lifetime guarantee
on it you're not worriedbecause you're not worried
Exactly Cause you can go and getit replaced and fixed.
And that's what that isSalvation is guaranteed, all
right.
So if you don't know, if you'renot sure, then you know, pray
about it, give us a call.
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Text us at 407-796-2881 withyour suggestions, questions or
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Angie (30:24):
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Stevens (30:32):
Amen.
Angie (30:32):
We thank you guys for joining us.
We love you and if we don't seeyou next week, we'll see in the
clouds.
God bless.
Rick Yuhas (30:43):
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Anyway, let me get back to it.
This episode is about JeffreyDahmer and is very interesting.
I believe you'll like it.
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All right, welcome back.
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Oh, that was my plan.
Yeah, so yeah, let's, let'skick this year off.
I mean we?
I mentioned last episode thatwe're going to continue with 1st
Peter, but of course, God hasother plans.
Angie (02:40):
So earlier this week my brother messaged me about a book
he was reading and I was veryintrigued.
He said it was written by thepastor who baptized Jeffrey
Dahmer.
So I'm like I want to read thatand so I got the book and it's
a short book so I finished itwithin a couple of days, does he
?
I'm sure you finished it inlike two seconds and it was just
(03:02):
so great.
We just want to talk about itbecause I think it's a, it's a
great topic to discuss.
So it's called the dark journeydeep grace, by Roy Ratcliffe
with Lindy Adams.
Stevens (03:13):
Yeah, and it's basically Jeffrey's Dahmer,
jeffrey Dahmer's story of faith.
You know I did if you guys havebeen listening a while back,
maybe a year ago or more, I dida short rail video on the
alphabet apologetics page onInstagram and it was addressing
(03:34):
this particular topic.
There was a there was a lot ofcommotion going on about the
Jeffrey Dahmer Netflix seriesthat came out and so it was just
on everyone's radar.
Everyone was talking about itand the question kept coming up.
You know is Jeffrey Dahmer,because the last interview that
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he did in 1994, he admits, youknow.
So that popped up on my feetand I was interested us.
So I watched it and it's and Iheard him very clearly say that
he had accepted Jesus as the oneand only God.
And and it shocked me because Ihad never heard that I was
(04:17):
about 12 years old when, whenJeffrey Dahmer was in prison and
and was, you know, then laterkilled.
But I knew about his crimesalso because I studied criminal
justice, so we went through allof that, but I never knew that
he had openly confessed thatChrist was his Lord and savior,
(04:40):
like in those very words.
So as a as a Christian now, asa real Christian I.
I was shocked to hear that forthe first time no-transcript.
I made a video and in the videoI didn't have enough
information.
But you know because.
Rick Yuhas (04:57):
I didn't know Jeffrey Dahmer.
Stevens (04:58):
I just we all know what he did right.
But when I heard that I thoughtand because there were so many
people having a problem with it,this one thing that kept coming
up that even the Book mentionswas like hey, if Jeffrey
Dahmer's in heaven, then I don'twant to be there.
And the worst part, crazy theworst part is that this was
(05:18):
coming from professingChristians.
Angie (05:22):
That's interesting.
So first I think we shouldstart off with talking about
maybe what Jeffrey Dahmer isknown for, because honestly, I
didn't see the Netflix series.
I only I knew that he was aserial killer, but I didn't
realize what he did until Iactually read this book.
Man, I'm glad the book goesover this.
So he, basically, he was withhis parents parents divorced at
(05:44):
some point.
There is some Christian faiththroughout his life, but I think
at a young age His dad is goingto church and he just stops
going.
And the book goes into how,basically, the mom was feel was
made to feel guilty For her notgoing to church and so the dad
decided to not go to churchanymore and so he he ends up
(06:08):
just, I guess, doing church onhis own at home.
I mean, so, jeffrey Dahmer, heDoesn't go to church anymore.
Later on in his life he ends upliving with his grandmother and
During that time, after shortlyafter his parents divorce,
that's when he starts his serialkilling.
So he starts killing young men,late teens, early 20s and he
(06:30):
does Almost everything to them.
So he medialized them, he killsthem, he right, I think he rapes
them and he unconscious anddead and and he also eats some
of them and he does differentthings to his organs and he does
that to a number of a number of17.
(06:50):
Yeah, that, that's right.
17 different young men untilone day One guy is running down
the street.
He finds two cops of you knowhe was just with Jeffrey and and
he tells him what's happened,that he has handcuffs on him and
the cops go to Jeffrey's houseand they find him and they find
body parts of you know Goodamount of people that he had
(07:12):
just left around his house indifferent places because he also
, like, tested on his organs anddifferent things and he went to
jail and Surely after.
Well, we'll get to that, butthat's basically his story.
Now, reading, reading thatstory, that's that's I mean.
I mean I know the book goesinto whether or not he was sane
(07:33):
and From what the book describeshe was like he knew what he was
doing.
Right someone who is sane issomeone who knows what they're
doing and knows the consequencesof what they're doing Right.
And from what he's expressed indoc, what he expressed in
documentaries and what he saidat the court case, he knew
exactly what he was doing.
And, you know, I think one ofthe things that he told the the
(07:55):
judge and the jury is like youknow, I deserve, like I don't
deserve to, basically I deservewhatever punishment.
Stevens (08:02):
Yeah is yeah he didn't plead for like a lighter
sentence.
He's nothing.
He fully took on theresponsibility of that, and in
his last interview he alsoadmitted that.
You know, the reason that hedid these things is because he
believed in evolution.
He believed that we were justslimed that just kind of just
(08:24):
developed into what we are, andso he didn't feel a Conviction
to submit himself to any laws.
Angie (08:32):
Yeah, so if there was nobody that he needed to answer
to, then it really didn't matterwhat yeah did or didn't do
exactly.
Stevens (08:40):
If he Was his ultimate authority, then yeah, it didn't
matter.
And so he didn't.
He didn't find a reason why heshould be, you know, subject
himself to these rules andregulations or laws.
That's why I did these things.
Now, the other thing too is thatthe book does not mention is
that, you know, at a very youngage there were signs, but I
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think his parents were just toodistracted With, you know, the
conflicts of, you know, maritalrelationship that they were
having, that that they neglectedto see the potential issue.
You know he started picking upanimals off the road and just,
you know, cutting them open.
And you know he was curious andyou know, I admit, when I was a
(09:23):
little kid I was curious aboutmaybe even some things like that
, like I, you know what, like,what are the, you know what does
the.
When you start being exposed tosome of these things You're
like, you know what is theinside of a body look like, or
what does this look like, or.
And you know he was just in atime and a place where he had
the means and he had the, youknow the, the watchful eyes that
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were not watching, and so hewas able to kind of just doing
his own thing.
So on some level he heunderstood that he could do
those things and he was allowedto do those things and he could
hide those things and he admitsto that.
You know, as he grew older heknew that those things were
wrong, but it's just, he had,and I guess, an impulse to To do
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those things.
Angie (10:11):
So right and so the book goes over, is basically the
story like, like we mentionedearlier, of the pastor who is at
some point contacted.
So he because he received, heis notified that Jeffrey that
someone it wants to get baptizedin jail and then, once he does
some digging, he finds out thatit's actually Jeffrey Dahmer and
(10:33):
obviously his name was he wasfamous during that time and so
the pastor Agrees to first meetwith Jeffrey.
So you know, the book goes intohow he goes and talks to
Jeffrey, obviously to find outif his faith is genuine, and
after seemingly shortconversation he's like all right
, I'm gonna baptize you.
He sees that you know, his Lovefor Jesus is genuine, that his
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desire to be baptized is genuine, and so he sets it all up and
he gets baptized, and then theystart.
And the awesome thing aboutthat is the pastor didn't just
Just baptize him, as after thathe's like no, I want to keep
meeting you on a weekly basisbecause I want you, I want to
make sure that you're developingyour faith, which was awesome
and Something that the pastordidn't realize.
(11:19):
I guess the one of the climax ofthe book is that right after he
baptizes Baptizes Dahmer hetells one person from church who
works for the media and hedoesn't think it's a big deal
and Right immediately afterthat's, you know, posted or sent
out.
He gets all these calls andthere's I guess there's that
(11:40):
question, you know, can hereally be baptized, did he
really have a genuine faith?
And a bunch of people wereangry, like you mentioned
earlier.
A lot of questions, a lot ofpeople said you know, if Jeffrey
Dahmer is in heaven, then Idon't want to be there.
Yeah, so I guess that's.
I think that's the main point,the main topic of the book and
something that we want todiscuss today.
Stevens (12:00):
Yeah, yeah, I'm like I was saying, you know those
questions were coming up.
You know, when I when I decidedto make that, that video on
alphabet, apologetics, and and Imade the video because of that,
because I I realized that whenChristians speak and they're not
being biblical, there's one ofthree things going on either
(12:23):
they don't understandChristianity, they don't
understand the subject matterthat they are speaking about, or
both.
They don't understand both,because I understand, you know,
as a baby Christian, you knowyou, you have to be disciple.
Then you know there are thingsthat that you are led to believe
because you hear it from peoplethat you trust that may not be
(12:44):
biblical, that just sound good,right, and I'm guilty of that.
I've.
There's things that I've had togo back and delete on social
media that I've posted that Ithought were correct, and Once I
found out that that was notbiblical, I went back and I
deleted it because I don't wantpeople to Misunderstand
scripture or God or anythinglike that, which is part of the
reason why we have this podcast.
(13:04):
So I made the video because Ithink this speaks to the grace
of God.
We've talked about on thepodcast before how people have
this idea, where they take thestandard of God, they cut it up
into pieces, they separate thepieces that convict them and
then they adopt the pieces thatconvict everyone else around
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them.
Right, and we as humans, wehave a tendency to do that and
it's our sinful nature that thatleads us to that.
And when we do that, then westart saying, okay, well, I'm
not as bad as Hitler or I'm notas bad as Jeffrey Dahmer, but
I'm maybe.
I'm not as good as motherTeresa or Billy Graham.
(13:49):
Yeah, like no, billy Graham,mother Teresa and the like were
not Better than Hitler orJeffrey Dahmer.
I mean, from an earthlyperspective, we can say, yeah,
they were more lawful.
Maybe they did more to help thecommunity than to hurt the
community.
But you know, I think for along time, going back to Jeffrey
(14:13):
Dahmer, I think what JeffreyDahmer's crimes did was hurt the
community more than help thecommunity.
However, after reading thisbook, after understanding his
story a little bit more, Ibelieve that Jeffrey Dahmer the
when Jeffrey Dahmer ended up, Ithink is doing now the Opposite
(14:35):
of that, the inverse of that,because I think with this, if
people understand God's grace,they can look at Jeffrey
Dahmer's story and say you knowwhat, if Jeffrey Dahmer can
reach out to God and God won'tturn him away, then he can
definitely not turn me awayright.
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Stevens (15:33):
And I think, if we are gonna use comparison it, it's
gonna be helpful to do healthycomparisons Like that, because
then that's gonna lead us to soGod is gonna bring us to Christ.
Angie (15:45):
Yeah, I think it's.
It's easy, though, because Ithink one of the comments I got
from Someone you know when Itold them I was reading this
book is and they're not abeliever, they're like well is.
I don't think I don't rememberthe exact words, but basically
the idea was I, it's not fairbecause I how can you compare me
(16:05):
, who has lied to my parents,and Jeffrey Dahmer, who was
murder, and Hitler actually?
Rick Yuhas (16:11):
came up.
Angie (16:12):
Hitler, who has killed so many people, and we, you know
we can get the same type ofTreatment.
Stevens (16:19):
Yeah, side note.
Side note there's a.
There's a thing called I thinkit's called Godwin's law.
Angie (16:25):
What is it?
Stevens (16:25):
called Godwin's law.
Okay, man, I think if if thisis the correct one, look it up,
verify us.
But it's called Godwin's lawand it basically says that in in
a dispute, in an argument, thatif you argue long enough,
eventually Someone brings upHitler.
It is interesting it's superinteresting.
(16:48):
Anyways, side note yeah and Iguess.
Angie (16:51):
But I think it's interesting because I think it
talks to that person, you know,because I think we've all maybe
at some point thought somethinglike this.
It talks to our understandingof how, how good we think that
we actually are.
Stevens (17:07):
Yeah.
Angie (17:08):
And what we actually deserve.
Because if I understand that I,like we said earlier and I
think that this is the biggest,the biggest, I mean this is the
gospel right that my sin is so,so big, because when I, standing
next to God, who is perfect andeternal, my, if it eat, I mean
we're exaggerating here.
Even if I were to lie one time,that lies humongous.
Stevens (17:32):
That one lie makes you a liar.
Angie (17:33):
Yeah, and it deserves death, you know, and so there's
even talking.
I might be just skipping ahead,but you know there's one of the
things that Jeffrey struggledwith at some point is, you know,
in the Bible said he mentionedto the pastor.
He's like I think I deserve todie because of what I did, and
the pastor reason.
He answers he's like, yeah, youdo.
(17:55):
But something to realize,though, is that you know Jesus
took that.
He took that punishment, likehe took that death punishment
for us so that we wouldn't haveto.
Now Romans talks about howobviously God gives us God gives
us state governing power.
So there are states that aregonna have the death penalty.
(18:17):
There are states that won'thave the death penalty.
It's up to that state basicallyto decide, but ultimately, god
did take that punishment for usand we are forgiven if we
believe that he did.
Stevens (18:29):
Amen, amen.
So you know living waters.
We've mentioned living watersministry here before.
Ray Comfort does a really goodjob of sharing the gospel and
you know, one of the thingsthat's common that I've learned
from watching his videos is thatwhen he asks this is one of the
questions that he asked toengage with people is do you
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think you're a good person?
And I wanna say, 99% of thetime everyone says yes, I think
I'm a good person.
So when I talk about this interms like with coworkers and
other people, I say yes.
From an earthly perspective,yeah, we are good people because
we abide by the law and all ofthat, but not by God's standard,
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if we want.
Sometimes we hear people saywell, why doesn't God come and
punish the wicked?
Well, I don't think peopleunderstand the implications of
that statement, because ifyou're saying God, I want you to
come and punish the wicked,what is to stop God from
starting with the person askingthe question?
Angie (19:33):
Right.
What is it?
What is the difference?
There is no difference.
Stevens (19:38):
And I think that speaks to that point.
It's like no, you could look atit like why would Jeffrey
Dahmer be allowed to be saved?
Yeah, you know, by earthlystandards he was in prison,
justly so, and he deserved to bethere.
He deserved to be there for therest of his life.
If there was a death penaltyand he would have gotten
(20:00):
sentenced to the death penalty,he would have deserved that.
That would have been deservingof his crimes.
But we're talking about hiscrimes.
Angie (20:08):
We're not like Talk about how he sinned against God.
His crimes against the society.
Rick Yuhas (20:14):
Society, not crimes against law.
Angie (20:17):
And that's one of the big pushbacks that the pastor got
after baptizing him, because Iguess the misunderstanding was
people were thinking oh so thendo you, because you baptized him
, do you think that he should befreed?
Absolutely not.
You know, like you said, it'sthe fact that he broke the law
against God, and so forgivenessof sins, I'm sorry, accepting
(20:38):
him, forgives him of that beforeGod, but he still was bound to
be in jail and, like you said,took any penalty that the state
would have given him.
Stevens (20:46):
Amen, yeah, so, yeah, so, yeah, him being sorry and
all of that, that doesn't changethe crimes that he did.
He still.
There's a consequence for that.
But the same way that hesubmitted his life to Christ,
there's also a consequence forthat, and that's eternal life.
And that's eternal life in thepresence of God.
(21:08):
Now I think we can't knowexactly for sure how genuine
Jeffrey Dahmer was in hisconfession.
Right, that's between him andGod.
And you know, roy Ratcliffe,who wrote the book and who
baptized him and and discipledhim, has probably a more solid
understanding of Jeffrey Dahmerbeing saved or not.
(21:29):
But after reading this book,after you know understanding
Jeffrey Dahmer's story and someof what he said, as long as all
that is true, I'm confident thathe is saved.
Now I won't.
We won't know for sure untilwe're in heaven and we see him.
But I always think about when Ithink about Jeffrey Dahmer
being in heaven.
I also think about when Paulwent to heaven.
(21:52):
Right, paul persecutedChristians, tortured them.
He did all these horriblethings.
Paul even admits Like listen,you want to talk about the bad
guys?
I'm the worst of the worst.
Angie (22:06):
That's the you know, that's the thing that people I
guess, I guess when you.
That's why we're surprised whenpeople say, hey, if Jeffrey
Dahmer's in heaven, I don't wantto be there, it's like.
But have you read the Bible?
Because the scriptures areclear and they're full of people
who fall so short, like theking that I was talking about
(22:26):
the other day, that hesacrificed his kids, like he
burned them alive, to a God thatwas to God, that wasn't God.
Stevens (22:36):
People who have cheated who have killed, who
have done yeah, I mean, we couldgo on down the list but it
speaks to God's grace and,honestly, it's a beautiful thing
to see that Paul went to heaven.
And here's the shocker for alot of Christians out there that
I would say and challenge to goback to the scripture and see
(23:00):
what it says.
But those, all those people,all those Christians that Paul
persecuted, tortured and treatedhorribly, beginning with
Stephen the martyr, right, they,I promise you, they all
received Paul with open arms inheaven.
I promise you.
Because why?
Because that's what the graceof God teaches us, that's what
(23:22):
scripture teaches us, that'swhat Jesus taught us.
So so, yeah, I mean to me, Ilove talking about this because
it again it honors and glorifiesGod and puts a focus on his
grace, because I think thatgrace is humbling when you think
(23:44):
about it, it is.
Like I think about it as likeman, really like Jeffrey Dahmer,
he could be saved.
Why can't I Like, yeah, like tome, that's beautiful.
And then it's like there's nodepth that you can find yourself
in, that God can't reach you,that God cannot save you from.
(24:06):
There's something that someonementioned too recently, and
they're talking about sellingyour soul to the devil, and it's
like I don't think there issuch a thing.
I mean, you can submit to thedevil and the devil will give
you the, you know all the thingsthat you want, maybe, but that
(24:27):
doesn't mean you can't be saved.
You're still alive.
As long as you're still aliveand breathing, god can still
save you, as long as you repentand you believe that Christ is
your Lord and Savior.
Angie (24:43):
And I think that's why I mean, when you look at someone
who is genuinely Christian, youcan see that you can hopefully
see that fruit of the spirit,which one of them is joy.
And it's like why can you bejoyous, no matter your
circumstances, like because I'vebeen greatly forgiven, like you
don't like my.
I was hopeless and God gave mehope.
(25:05):
I had no purpose and God gaveme purpose.
I was doomed to get an internalpunishment, and he's gonna.
He's given me salvation foreternity and that's just a
beautiful thing no matter whatmy situation is, no matter what
my circumstances, becausenothing in this world and in
this life is, I guess,consistent except for God.
(25:26):
He is always there.
Stevens (25:28):
Amen, yeah, and I think Jeffrey Dahmer's story is
just.
It's one that everyone knows, Ithink, I think it's one that
most people know.
But there are many stories likethis, there are many redemptive
stories, not just in scripture,not just in real life, but
there's plenty of stories likeit.
And, again, I think it's theepitome of what Paul talks about
(25:54):
in Romans 5.20, where he saysnow the law came in to increase
the trespass, but where sin isincreased, grace abounds all the
more.
It means the more sin that isin your life when you turn your
life to Christ, the more gracethere is, because it's required.
(26:16):
And you know, I find that thepeople who have, like, the most
hardcore testimonies also turnout to be like, really, I don't
know, I don't know how to say it, but they, like there's a
somewhere in the Gospels whereit talks about like, if your
(26:38):
debt is forgiven, like I thinkit's Jesus that asked like who's
debt?
Who's more grateful for theirdebt being forgiven, the one
who's forgiven less or the onewho's forgiven the most?
And it's like no, the one whowas forgiven the most is more
grateful because, you know, ifyou owe a million dollars and I
owe five dollars and somebodypays my debt and it's like all
(26:59):
right, thanks, that's nice.
But if someone pays your debt,it's like what?
Rick Yuhas (27:04):
Yeah.
Stevens (27:04):
You know, it's like that's crazy, you know, and it's
like how much more appreciative, how much more are you going to
be than me?
Angie (27:14):
Especially if it's something that I don't deserve.
It's like it just.
It just comes out like why I'dbe, like, why, like, how can I,
what can I do to pay you back.
Stevens (27:22):
Exactly, there's nothing.
There's nothing we can do.
So, again, this speaks to thegrace of God, and you know that
there there isn't anyone who'sbreathing today that might be
listening to this message.
That is too far gone for youknow.
Repentance and submission toChrist.
Angie (27:43):
Amen, I mean, I think, to .
To finish, I think the bigquestion to ask ourselves is not
whether or not Jeffrey Dahmeris saved.
Is he in heaven or not it's.
Are we saved?
Amen.
The listener, whoever you are,do you believe that you are
saved?
Okay, and if you don't, we, wepray, we encourage you to come
(28:06):
to Jesus.
I'm telling you, he is like.
He is the father with open armsnear the prodigal son or
daughter who has returned.
Or maybe you've never known Godin your life and you want to
come to him.
He is your father also and heloves you and he's been waiting
for you to come home.
We ask that you repent of yoursins and turn to him and if you
(28:28):
are, if you're not sure, ifyou're saved, if you are a
Christian you're like I honestlyam not sure we encourage you to
press into God, press into yourtime with him, press into your
word, find a community and indoing so, he will give you that
assurance that you need, becausethe Bible says that there is no
, there is no fear of love, butperfect love casts out fear,
because fear has to do withpunishment.
(28:50):
Those who, those who fear, havenot been perfected in love, and
so he wants us to not be afraid, he wants us to be sure, he
wants us to look to the future,to eternal life, after we've
died, with hope, knowing that wewill be with him.
Stevens (29:07):
Amen, and and and there is a way to know I.
There was a question asked inone some group that I'm a part
of, I don't remember which one,but they asked is there, is
there a way to know for surethat I am saved?
And that speaks to the to whatyou mentioned, and one of the
verses that came to mind was 2ndCorinthians, chapter one,
(29:29):
verses 21 and 22, where it saysand it is God who establishes us
with you in Christ and hasanointed us, and who has also
put his seal on us and given ushis spirit in our hearts as a
guarantee.
That guarantee means security.
It means that that's it.
(29:51):
You know when something breaksand there's a lifetime guarantee
on it you're not worriedbecause you're not worried
Exactly Cause you can go and getit replaced and fixed.
And that's what that isSalvation is guaranteed, all
right.
So if you don't know, if you'renot sure, then you know, pray
about it, give us a call.
(30:12):
You can call us at.
Text us at 407-796-2881 withyour suggestions, questions or
prayer requests, or you can findus at Christ alone podcastcom.
Angie (30:24):
All of our handles are Christ alone podcasts podcast,
except for Twitter or X, whichis Christ alone pod.
Stevens (30:32):
Amen.
Angie (30:32):
We thank you guys for joining us.
We love you and if we don't seeyou next week, we'll see in the
clouds.
God bless.
Rick Yuhas (30:43):
The intro and outro music for the renewed mindsets
podcast is Are you Ready?
By Floodgate from the album Areyou ready?
Copyright 2002 OffbeatMinistries Incorporated.
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