September 16, 2022 • 40 mins
Stephanie has a fabulous conversation with author, coach, and consultant Debby Krusz. Debby went from Dream Crushed to Dream Manager. Listen in to how Debby survived her crushed dreams.
After being Dream Crushed by Corporate America, Debby listened to the voice within that said "Leave this place and start writing!" Debby Krusz also known as Kruszewski, is the published Author of Soul Meets Body, Precious and Fragile Things and Live to Tell. Her fourth novel, Date with Kate, is in process. All her novels are about following your heart.
She is a Certified Dream Manager Coach and Business Consultant.
She is a survivor of crushed Dreams and an expert in Dream rescue. If your Dream is a long-buried seed or a squashed bud, Debby is here to help you replant it, nurture it, and bring it to full bloom!
Her program is ideal for employers who want to make an investment in their employees by making them the most successful version of themselves. Your employee morale will rise, productivity will increase, and turnover will decrease as a result of this dream pollination. Debby's program is a great fit for businesses of any size.
Debby is building her business and brand, helping others listen to their heart and pursue their dreams.
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Stephanie Olson (00:00):
Thank you for listening. Please share with
anyone you think will benefitfrom this podcast.
Hello and welcome to resiliencein life and leadership. I am
welcoming Debbie Cruz to theshow. Debbie is a survivor of
crushed dreams and an expert indream rescue. If your dream is
(00:22):
long buried seed or a squash,but I'm here to help you replant
it, nurture it and bring it tofull bloom. Her program is ideal
for employers who want to makean investment in their employees
by making them the mostsuccessful version of
themselves. employee morale willrise, productivity will increase
and turnover will decrease as aresult of this dream
(00:42):
pollination. Her program is agreat fit for businesses of any
size. After being dream crushedby corporate America, Debbie
listen to the voice within thatsaid leave this place and start
writing. She is the publishedauthor of soul meets body
precious and fragile things andlive to tell her fourth novel
(01:03):
date with Kate is in process.
All of her novels are aboutfollowing your heart. And in
additional in addition tonovels, she has an inspirational
blog and as a certified dreammanager, coach and business
consultant. Welcome, Debbie.
Hello, and welcome to resiliencein life and leadership. And I am
here with Debbie Cruz say yoursay your full last name Debbie.
(01:26):
It's crazy ski kazoo ski. Okay,I can say that. Well, welcome. I
am so glad that you're with us.
And I love your story. I love Ilove.
I love what you said after beingdream crushed by corporate
America. So I want to hear aboutyour journey and how that
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brought to what you're doing nowas a dream coach.
Debby Krusz (01:51):
Oh, thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.
Yes, corporate America is one ofthe pieces of my dream crushing.
I think we all have them in ourlife. And we don't realize how
many people tell you know, youcan't do that. No, no, no, no,
no, no, no, this is what you do.
So I I wasn't really supposed togo into corporate America at
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all. I had switched collegesright before even started. For
some family reasons. I wassupposed to be a ballerina in a
dance company at a differentcollege, they had their own
dance company, I was supposed todance for them. And then my
dream was to do a second degreein business management because I
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wanted to own my own studio.
So I ended up going closer tohome and just majoring in
business and became a balletteacher for a short period of
time, where I strongly learnedthat I that is not my call. kids
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all have for hours at a time wasnot my not my thing. I like to
dance. I don't like to tellpeople how to dance. So that
worked out really well.
Stephanie Olson (03:05):
That's great.
My daughter is actually adancer, so I can totally relate.
Yes. Beautiful.
Debby Krusz (03:11):
Yes. So you know, I just follow the path. You know,
I went to business school. Sothe school I went to was pretty
small. You're either in businessschool or your liberal arts,
most of those people Bri schoolteachers, which was clearly not
my thing. Everybody mostlybecame an accountant. It was
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becoming a new hot field, then Ididn't really understand what
that was. But I felt like if Iwent into just operations
management, that answer a lot ofquestions. So I got into a job.
And it was it was fun. It wasexciting. It was a financial
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printing, which sounds soundslike one of those jobs that
nobody knows what it is becauseit is one of those jobs that
nobody knows what it is. I'mstill explained to this day.
It's like a million years later.
What did you do that? Oh, it's alot. So it was just a crazy job
is 24/7 it was doing livefilings with the Securities and
Exchange Commission's forcompanies going public. They
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grew up anything in between. Andit just was not fulfilling it.
It was fun and glamorous when Istarted but it very slowly lost
its luster. Yeah. And I just tonot get into so much detail. I
just felt like never a right. Itnever felt right to me. Either.
It wasn't a good fit, or I'd getto the next level of management.
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And it was horrible. And then Ijust kept convincing myself
well, oh, because you don't knowit yet. And you're going to work
really hard and it's going to begreat. And then you're going to
get to the next level and that'swhere the dream is that's where
it's going to be better. And soI kept climbing until I made it
to a C level position. And as Iwas there, I was like, I don't
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care how much money this is Idon't, I don't care about the
title, I don't care. This is theworst job in the world. So on
it, this is horrible. It wasn'tbeing hard of having to make the
decision decisions, it was sadof the choices of what the
decisions were. And they werejust not. It was had nothing to
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do with my value or my brand.
And I was, I was lost, I wascompletely lost. And I spent a
lot of time in prayer andmeditation. And I just asked,
what is it that I'm supposed tobe doing? And the voice replied
to me, you need to startwriting? And why don't you leave
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this job and start writing and Iwill do the rest. So, you know,
hey, I'm done here that wentover well.
Stephanie Olson (05:57):
And that was it, how you just go
Debby Krusz (06:00):
anywhere? It was a little bit further over process,
but it was the hugest weightlifted off of me. And then, of
course, you're following yourdream, and everybody around you,
you know, thinks there'ssomething wrong with you. Why
are you crazy? Why would you dosomething like that? I know, you
know, so. There's a wholepsychological piece to it of? Do
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I listen to what my heart istelling me, which I believe is
my center? And that's from God?
Or do I listen to all you aroundme telling right? Not to do
this? And then you realize thepattern was your whole life?
Right? All, you know, is notsitting here pointing a finger.
I specifically want to say, it'snot that people were being mean
to me, and how dare you, theyjust don't they can't see what's
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in my heart as if, as I can'tsee what's in yours. Because I
don't you know, I unless I havea deep conversation and get in
deep there. No, nobody, nobodywill ever really 100% No, but
you
Stephanie Olson (07:01):
well, and I think there's societal
expectations that are set up,that that we are supposed to,
quote unquote, follow. And ifwe're not following those, you
know, if you're in a sea leveljob, you should be thrilled if
you're making the money thatyou're supposed, you know, this
is all societal expectations,that aren't really what we need
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to, you know, and especially,you know, you're obviously a
believer, and so when you'retalking about, you know, what
God's will is for you, and whatthe world's wanting you to do
there. That can be two verydifferent things. Yeah,
Debby Krusz (07:40):
money can't buy you anything, that the joy and
abundance will will give you forwhat, what is in your heart,
and, you know, you're taught,we're taught, like, it's money,
you have to have money, you haveto have material things. Right.
And they don't give youanything. I saw a post yesterday
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of I had a multifamily housethat burned down to the ground.
You know, and it's horrible.
And, and somebody just postedsomething like, oh, all their
stuff, and how, you know, I knowthis, these, these people just
bought this new couch, likethey're alive. Yeah, that's all
right. With the couch does it?
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Who cares? Are you serious, youfocused on this couch who these
people are alive. And if you howquickly when you lose something
like, like your all yourmaterial things, what really
your value is, you don't needanything, you just need the love
that's in your heart. And itjust if everything starts to
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fall into place when sherealized that, but it's it's sad
and amazing how many peopledon't think that money is their
answer.
Stephanie Olson (08:52):
And you cannot take it with you. I mean, that's
the biggest cliche, but it is sotrue. You no one lies on their
deathbed and says, gosh, I wishI would have just made more
money, or I wish I would haveworked a little harder. Nobody
does that. Yeah.
Debby Krusz (09:09):
I know, a neighbor of mine was one of the first
people to win a million dollarsin the lottery. Oh my goodness.
And it's the it's the clichestory of he wins the lottery.
You guys.
Stephanie Olson (09:25):
Oh my gosh, you're kidding.
Debby Krusz (09:27):
Yeah. And before that, you know, all the ugliness
of the family and the greed andyou know, just the man died. And
it was supposed to be thisglamorous thing that he won the
lottery like, Oh, this is gonnaanswer all my problems. It
didn't you know, didn't keepthem alive. It separated his
family. You know, it's it was sosad. It was so sad. And it's it
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really a little part of me kindof scared me to be get it so
fast. Yeah. Get it. You know,it's, it's it was over. I mean
to us as kids, that was like amillion dollars. I don't even
know how to count that, right?
How many zeros is that? But awhat, you know, that was a huge
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thing. But at the same time, youcan't bring it with you. Which
brings me to one of the jokesthat Joel Osteen says, and you
know, this woman, her, herhusband was a gazillionaire.
And, you know, he dies. And youknow, he said, In My Will I want
to bring all my money with you.
(10:37):
You notice, the relatives arelike, Oh, you really didn't bury
the money with him? Did you?
She's like, Oh, no, I kept mypromises. I wrote him a check. I
love that. You, so you got tokind of put it in perspective of
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what you really can do. Awesome.
Yep.
Stephanie Olson (11:01):
Exactly.
Probably won't get cashed. Butyes, exactly. That's great.
Yeah. So now from the time so,so you decided to to write and
that's what did you have an ideaof what you wanted to write? Or
was there something already onyour heart was it just, I'm just
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gonna write.
Debby Krusz (11:28):
It was it was a very divine voice that came to
me that said, right. And I juststarted writing. And I was
writing Stupid Love stories thatwere really like, really, like
cringe worthy, like, this isn'teven good enough for like a
lifetime commercial. It's justnot not even. So I was like, I
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need some focus here. And Ihired an editor that really put
me in a good mindset and how togo about writing an outline,
she's like you're writing, it'snot the worst, that just, you
have no direction of where thisis really going. So she's like,
write an outline. And you don'thave to follow it, it'll
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probably take its own direction.
But as long as you're trying toget from point A to point B to
point C, you'll, you'll see howthe story evolves. But if
you're, if you're not aimingthat way, you're just like going
off in the dark. And it was asmart idea. And then never
actually follow that straightthrough all the outlines that
ever wrote. But I, when I tellyou, it was just pouring out of
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me at that point where I'msitting there going, my fingers
are hitting the keys, but Idon't really know that I'm here.
I know that it's flowing out ofme and things were connecting.
And even today, when people readit, they're like, Oh, I love how
this piece was connected tothis. And I'm like,
Stephanie Olson (12:50):
me too. That's great.
Debby Krusz (12:56):
Yeah. Some things I didn't even recognize, which is
fun it Yeah, to see it throughother people's eyes. So it was
it was an exciting process. Andit definitely very rewarding of
emotions and feelings that cameout under different people,
character, so on a fried skinunder different circumstances.
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And, of course, when someoneclose to read the door, like I
know exactly what thatrepresents. But to most people,
they, you know, they would haveno idea because it's to
completely, you know, torn apartfrom, you know, it's just like a
piece of something that reallyhappened because you have to
have something to relate to.
But, you know, you think ofthat, even if it's somebody that
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recognizes all that happened inreal life, but it didn't happen
this way. And it didn't writethese characters. And you know,
you have one person that's like,Well, what did people know? It's
me, I'm like, Okay, we're, thisis gonna be a best seller. So
how many 1000s of people aregoing to read this? How many
people actually know you?
Stephanie Olson (14:02):
Right? Exactly.
Debby Krusz (14:04):
It'll be fine.
It'll be fine. And then you havethe people that you know, see a
little glimpse of themselvesknow like, when when is my debut
on showing
Stephanie Olson (14:22):
money, that is great. I love it. So So then did
you go from writing to workingwith businesses or how did that
develop?
Debby Krusz (14:36):
Well, I had some cushion room to write. And I
didn't I wanted to really say inwhat my truth was, and I didn't
know what it looked like. And Idid get I did let all the voices
get to me I'm like, Well, whatare you going to do? What are
you going to do what you'regonna do? And you know, the
scare factor of when those arethe voices that are constantly
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at you, you your your voices arekind of reacting as well. So I
did go through a dark period ofwhile I don't know, and I'm
supposed to know, right. Butthen I didn't see that I was
being flipped back into the fearfactor backed into being sucked
into a life sucking job. It justsat me backwards, just doing
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smaller jobs just because I waslike, Oh my gosh, well, I have
to do something, and not takingthe time to really focus on what
my life purpose was. And whatwas in my heart. I really I lost
it, because I didn't realizethat that was part of the path.
And then I decided to Okay,well, this was fun. Let's go
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back to corporate America. And Inobody really wanted it just, it
was just, I was get a job. Andthey'd be like, Oh, my gosh, we
didn't get the budget for it.
There was just always aridiculous wall of why the
position all of a suddendisappeared, or Oh, my gosh, we
found somebody else that's alittle bit more fit for this
job. It was very, like closeddoor closed or closed door. Very
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confusing and frustrating. Butthe answer was, is you're not
doing the right thing. You'renot listening, I ended up a
friend of mine, we sat down andhad a meeting. And he had just
started a nonprofit, with a witha few others, and somebody that
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was going to be really puttingit all together and be the
operational piece of it. Theyended up breaking ties. So they
asked me if I would come in andhelp. And I did and I decided to
dedicate myself to that for asignificant amount of time. And
then COVID came and you know,every all of that was lost. And
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then the other business venturesI was I was working on that were
pretty big. They they were lostas well. So I got again, Dream,
Dream crushed. And that was thatwas difficult. So I decided to
focus on Well, I'm sick ofliving in the trenches, and in
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the dark. And in these badplaces. The only way I can look
this up. So what if I just turnaround and just turn everything
every day when I can't wake upout of bed, you know, just make
sure that I go and post allthese positive things, make sure
I just tell people in thesupermarket, how great they
look, or just anything I coulddo to be as much as positive as
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I can during the day. So thatwhen I go to that end, I have
things to be grateful for, whichI always you always have
something be grateful for, but Icouldn't see it. And then I
would dream, I would dream good.
I would have good positivedreams. And then I would want to
wake up because I want to getsomething accomplished. That was
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very fulfilling. So I worked onthat cycle. And then that
started to happen. And Irealized I was leading from my
heart. And I was able doingthis, see what was in my heart
and realize what my truepotential was and what my life
purpose was. And as I got there,I was able to see in other
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people their life. And my lightwas shining so bright that
people were coming to me ofwell, I may not know you, I may
not know your story, but I cansee your light. And I know you
could see mine. And I knowobviously that's not exactly the
conversation. But people thatwere broken, were coming to me
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and asking for help. Asking howdo I get out of this place, and
I wasn't so direct with my storyor sharing everything with
everybody. But it was the energythat I'm putting out there of
okay, well, my light is shiningnow.
People can see it. And Irealized that I could help
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people. So I wanted to focus onmy life purpose is to help
people shine their light. Andthat comes from their heart that
comes from within that is givento them by God. And I just want
to stay there and focus on it.
And I saw that all my books wereleading from a place of in the
heart to trusting what is inyour heart, what it's about.
Life is wild and crazy. But lookat how you are watched over and
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look at how you're protected andhow you're loved. Look at how
things can happen for you whenyou think that it's impossible.
And my blog, I was trying to dothe same thing. And the
consulting work that I wasdoing. People just couldn't
under understand how I could doall these things and I had a few
other business ventures as well.
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And I just became confusing so Iwas like I'm just gonna stick
with the theme of follow what'sin your heart. And I looked in
deep of you know how to reallypromote that and how to share
that with people. And I lookedin deep have to what my Name It
means and what it's about. And Ifell into this several times of
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knowing it. But for some reasonI went to look at it. And my
name in the Bible is reallyDevorah. And it is the B seeker.
So the B is known as defies alllaws, it's impossible to fly,
it's impossible of what it does.
And it does impossible thingsand it makes things succeed. So
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it makes sure that all of natureis succeeding and growing and
giving people positivity if theysee it or not. So I look at it
as the bees, the honey of life,and it brings out energies and
people and it brings out thelight and people and the good
and the positivity and people,and it helps people on their
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journey get to their life andsole purpose. Okay, so I that's
how I my program came about, ofthe dream pollinating. Because
we're, we're all pollinating ourdreams, right? So we're going to
start with Dream storming.
Because we have to go through astorm to get to where our dreams
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are. So yeah, throwing all ourdreams to the wall, looking at
them and seeing what they'reabout. And you know, this is the
rain of like, I don't know, thisdoesn't work, I can't do that,
oh, bungee jumping soundedgreat. When I was pointing.
Stephanie Olson (21:24):
It never sounded good to me. No.
Debby Krusz (21:28):
But after the storm, there's a rainbow. And
there's sunshine. So it allstarts with, you know, following
all the seasons, because ofpollinating all follows within
the seasons. So that's, youknow, just where I'm at, of, you
know, I got crushed, and I useall those that all of that
energy to turn around of all thecrushing, I was told all the
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nose, all the cancer, all ofthat, and I turned it around to
I can rescue all of thosedreams, they may not look the
same, they may not feel thesame. But if they were in your
heart at one point, they'realways recalculated into
something new and somethingelse. So I just want to help
people get there and see theirtrue potential in their true
light.
Stephanie Olson (22:10):
Because sometimes you'll have a dream
and you know it. I was told onceand you know that sometimes that
we have a vision or a plan. Andsometimes that vision has to die
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in order for God to put forththe one that he wants in our
hearts. And and then othertimes, like you begin something
and somebody else then can takeit over. And so how do you
determine how or how do you helppeople determine like, Nope,
this is your time to movetowards this this? Is your time
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to move away from this or, orthings like that? Or do you? Do
you just coach them to makethose decisions on their own?
Debby Krusz (23:01):
Well, I think that God is always talking to us.
He's always sending us signs andsymbols and redirecting us if we
ever go in the wrong way. So ifthere was a dream, that you're
you can feel like oh, this hasbeen in my heart for so long.
And then you get a taste of itand not know you're not decide
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that oh my gosh, this was notfor me this isn't it. You were
given that dream for a reason.
You were given that dream to geton that path. Because that path
opened up so many windowsavenues for you that you may not
have noticed or seen you mightit might not be real for you. So
that's why I make sure no matterwhat somebody says to me to not
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drink crush it because peopledrink crush themselves enough.
They don't need somebody else.
If it's there, and it's yourdream. It's there for a reason.
It might recalculate. It mightkeep recalculating because God's
just gonna be like, okay, shedidn't see that. That's okay.
That's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna try again, we'regonna try again. You know, it's
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following the crumbs in theroad, and you can't always see
it. Right? So I believe that ifyou get somewhere and you're
like, I don't want this here,you can have it. If it was you,
if it that was the path you takeyou on, that was the path it was
supposed to take you to. And ifit was to give somebody else it
was to give somebody else andyou helped start somebody's
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dream. And there's that meanssomebody has started your dream.
And it's just part of yourjourney. There's more than one
view, you're given hundreds andhundreds of dreams. You just
have to tap into the ones thatfeel right for you. And it's
it's it's a total journey. Iguess. It's a total journey.
Yeah. You're you could be I wasI believed in my heart when I
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was young that I was going to bea doctor. Now if you ever saw me
around I'm blood. Like, I'msure. And I was like, Yeah, that
sounds kind of ridiculous. And Isat down, I completely shut that
down. But I healthcare found me.
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I had healthcare companiescoming to me like, oh, we need,
you know, I'm like, I have noidea in the world why anybody in
a health care company would hireme. And I spent time there. I
spent time with doctors, I spendtime in clinical trials, I spend
time and understanding hospitalsand how they work. And it didn't
make any sense to me, until Igot here. And I realized, I only
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saw for helping people findwhat's in their heart as healing
and finding their center. Butall I could see and relate to
with what was in my head wassomebody in a doctor's jacket.
Yeah. Right. So I justautomatically decided it was a
doctor. So it could just havethe wrong label on it. Right.
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Right. Not realize what it is.
So you have to just keepstarting going down, start to go
down these avenues to to findit, and you have to untorn every
rock for sure. So
Stephanie Olson (26:12):
tell me a little bit about your work with
small businesses. And, you know,specifically like what can small
businesses? I know you work withrestaurants, things like that?
What can they do to actuallyhelp them financially save
money, things like that? Yeah.
Debby Krusz (26:32):
So I mean, I do have a very strong business
background, I've been inoperations for over 25 years, I
work with a Restaurant Group,and a lot of the offerings that
that group has also can beapplied at small business. Yes.
So I have this vast network ofpeople that I trust, we work
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very hard in, what are thingsthat we can do as a group to
focus on the restaurantindustry. And it can be small
business as well, of how theindustry is changing. So for a
huge piece of it, especially nowis customer service. Yes. So,
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you know, during COVID, thewhole world change restaurants,
the whole model changed. Andthen when, you know, the
government checks stopped, youthere were people that wanted to
go back to work, there's a lotof people that didn't want to
work, and the people that weresort of low end, were still
making more money than theywould have been at their job.
(27:33):
And they chose to not work. Sothat problem with getting
employees was very difficult. Sothen there's becomes this model
of, you know, you can be on arestaurant on both sides of the
street kind of similar. And thisguy's like, Well, I'm gonna give
you a minimum wage of this muchan hour, where this guy's giving
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this much an hour. So like $10an hour, and then this guy is
giving $30. Right, right. Andthen you know, then that greed
starts and then you're startingall these levels of
ridiculousness that can't bekept up, and it's just doesn't
match the industry. Sorestaurants were going under,
because they can't keep up withthe demands, they can't get the
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employees, which they could. Butthat's, you know, where to look
for them. And then there's,they're losing their value,
they're losing their core valueof what there are, they are
service change, where customersdecide that they're in charge.
And they're become overlydemanding. And, you know, the
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customer's always right, is kindof taken to a new level of like,
No, you're not always right. Andthere's, there's too much taking
advantage. So there's certainaspects that we go through. You
had asked about finances. Imean, right now, that is such a
hot topic for small businesses,for restaurants, have a lot of
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people for the past two yearsdidn't have income, and have
people that they have to pay andreally need to stay alive and
how to reinvent themselves.
There are so many options thatcan have that can work you can
work on as either a smallbusiness or a restaurant, if
it's a loan, if it's getting inadvance to pay employees before
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your age, if you can't make yourpayroll there's there's options
for that. There's options forrefinancing. There's a lot that
I've learned through this wholeprocess for myself and my own
business. I've made plenty ofmistakes, that I can help coach
people to avoid that. But I alsohave reliable sources that I
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work with that I can say,Listen, I talked to this person
once a week and we go throughall all scenarios of things.
It's not my choice to make itbut here, person, this person in
this person, here's three, fournumbers for you to call. And
they'll give you their honestopinion. And if they can't help
you, they'll give you otherpeople that can help you. And
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you know, I do have a love andaffinity for restaurants. So
that's how I got into thisgroup. And there's a lot more
options that I can do more forrestaurants in that aspect. But
for small businesses, I've doneso much analytical work and
reorganization and redevelopmentand SOPs, that helping a small
business is my core. So yeah,and to purchase bring a positive
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aspects. And I also do programsjust to work on that customer
service side of making sure thatyour value is matching your
service, because that is allaround,
Stephanie Olson (30:45):
right. So what do you do you see a huge
difference between your dreamcoaching and your business
consulting, or do they kind ofmeld at some point?
Debby Krusz (30:58):
Well, I have to, at one point come and be one brand
and not 75 different things. Soif I am a dream manager,
pollinator, I'm always going tobring that energy and aspect to
everything I do. So all thatreally means is to bring as much
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positivity to everything, rightand bring a good attitude and
bring my honesty to what I cando. Because it just makes the
process that much easier. Andjust to give all those helpful
hints of little things of thatcan make things better. It's not
the same thing. But I'm bringingthe same attitude of excitement
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and positive energy, and intoall my analytical work and just
be as honest as possible. And Ido have an amazing amount of
resources that I always feelmakes, helps the process when I
say, oh, my gosh, you need toget all this, you have to redo
all your finances, or you haveto reorganize this side of the
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office, or you need help withyour customer service, I at
least have a couple ofreferences in each aspect that I
could say, you know, if you cango out on your own, this is just
my suggestion, but I do havereferences that I can help you
with. And this is stuff thatthey can do. But you're not tied
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to anything. You know, it's justvery helpful to be like, oh,
gosh, you have people becauseonce you give somebody, Hey,
this is what your businessshould look like to be
productive. Good luck with that.
It's kind of a waste of theirtime, because they're like, I
came here for help andassistance. Don't just throw me
back out there. Right? You know,you really want I want to
handheld hold people, not to, toYes, to teach them how to fish
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and not to do it for them. Butmake sure that they feel
comforted because a lot of timesmaking hard decisions,
especially financial decisions,really can grow this level of
anxiety, yeah, that can make youmake more poor decisions. And I
think that that's the hugestaspect of having somebody that
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is your support system throughmaking these major changes that
they don't, you don't reallyget?
Stephanie Olson (33:22):
Well, and I think that you know, when you're
talking about dream crashing,you're talking about okay, this
is what I thought I wanted todo. And now I feel like I'm
called to do that there's got tobe a lot of I mean, there really
could be a lot of anxiety, a lotof fear with that. So how do you
overcome that? If if you knowyou're dealing with that? You
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know, definitely you want asupport system. But how do you
really overcome that, that fearand anxiety?
Debby Krusz (33:51):
You You have to recognize what's ego? You know,
who are the people that arereally for you who are against
you? Who do you really trust.
And those sometimes are reallyhard, because you want to be
like, Oh, I totally trust myspouse. But the you know,
they're always talking down tome, or they don't believe in me,
even though they say they do.
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They're standing next to me,right? Doesn't mean get rid of
that person. It means that's notthe person in this situation. I
should be leaning on. And onceyou identify your network, and
you know No, okay, well, I havea really good friend from
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college that I know, no matterwhat I can always call and just
run ideas by and there's nojudgment. And I need that voice.
So you need a few of thosevoices that are just always
going to recenter you get youback. I'm always going to go and
say Say your prayers, say yourmantra, because that's always
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centering yourself. You know,it's it sounds sometimes Seems a
little ridiculous to take timeout of your day when you're
having this when you're in thatanxiety when someone says, just
take a moment to pray, you know,you might want to like, go and
snack them. But when you I mean,I do, like Billy, you know, but
once you make it a practice of,I am going to succeed, I'm going
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to be successful at what I do,I'm doing the right thing, I'm
making the right decisions. Justthose simple things, right,
bring you down. There's alsoplenty of exercises that you can
do, especially if you're in aconversation, and you kind of
get starstruck by the questionor that oh, my gosh, I'm so
afraid to give you the rightanswer, because it scares me.
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Yeah, where you know, you coulddo there's tapping, you know,
it's there's also centering insome breathing, or just focusing
on three things like, okay,there's three things that I
could see there's a blue wall,there's a star, there's a white
whiteboard, okay, what can Ismell, and just sort of ground
yourself. There's a lot that youcan do in the day, to ease your
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anxiety and recognize thatcycle. When does it start, it
starts when things are startingto go really well. And it's
scary. But you also notice thecycle of you're getting yourself
to a higher level that makes youhappy, that makes you fulfilled,
and your old self is here. Andis you're in that transition of
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while I'm going here. And yourold self is afraid of yourself
because it's so afraid of whatis to come. And it knows that
you're leaving. And so that alsobrings you down and when you can
recognize that anxiety voicejust come up when there's no
reason for it anymore. Right,right. Like it's time to say
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goodbye to old me, and it's timeto invite new me in. And then
that's when you really see theprogress. And you know,
sometimes you need some breaksfrom the from the dream crushers
and I'm not saying break up withanybody. I'm just saying, hey,
you know, I'm not going to giveyour voice power. Yeah, I'm
going to give the positivevoices power. And these are my
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three people that are going tohelp me through this season.
It's not always the same inevery season. Right? Right. But
they're hard to identify. Andthat anxiety can keep you in
that that hamster wheel. Getout. I just can't get out.
Stephanie Olson (37:29):
Exactly, exactly. Oh, very good stuff. I
love that. So where can peoplefind you, Debbie?
Debby Krusz (37:38):
Yes. So you can find me on all social media at
Debbie Cruz which is d BVYKRUSZ. My website is the same
Debbie cruz.com. I would alsolove to offer to your listeners
a free download of my latestnovel soulmates body. And
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welcome any if anybody wouldlike to talk, I'm very open, you
can book on my homepage. On mywebsite, Debbie cruz.com A
consultation to talk about somedreams.
Stephanie Olson (38:13):
Fabulous. Well, I will make sure all of those
are in the podcast notes that isvery generous of you. Thank you
so much. I appreciate that.
Okay, final question. What doesresilience mean to you?
Debby Krusz (38:27):
Whoo. What does resilience mean? I think it for
me, I sort of look at myself ofAlright, there's that dog that
sees that electric fence and andsome dogs could sit there and be
like, Alright, I'm staying here.
The watch that one dog be like Iam.
Stephanie Olson (38:44):
I had a couple of those.
I am not afraid. Let me bring iton. So
that is great. I love that Iactually had two dogs. They were
labs. And I think one of themalways said, hey, check and see
if that will shock you reallyquick. Go check that first and
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then the other one would go.
Okay, we got that. But yeah,that I love that. That's good.
Because yeah, you've got to keepgoing. Right. Got to keep keep
moving forward.
Debby Krusz (39:18):
Hold'em have no one to fold. That's right.
Stephanie Olson (39:22):
Well, Debbie, thank you so much. It's really
been a pleasure talking to you.
I love the work that you'redoing. And I love that you are
so available for people to findyou and that you took what was
just a really difficult time andyou are using that to help and
benefit others. So thank you somuch for being on the show.
Debby Krusz (39:44):
Oh, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate
it so much.
Stephanie Olson (39:47):
Absolutely. And thank you for listening to
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Hello and welcome to resiliencein life and leadership. I am
welcoming Debbie Cruz to theshow. Debbie is a survivor of
crushed dreams and an expert indream rescue. If your dream is
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long buried seed or a squash,but I'm here to help you replant
it, nurture it and bring it tofull bloom. Her program is ideal
for employers who want to makean investment in their employees
by making them the mostsuccessful version of
themselves. employee morale willrise, productivity will increase
and turnover will decrease as aresult of this dream
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pollination. Her program is agreat fit for businesses of any
size. After being dream crushedby corporate America, Debbie
listen to the voice within thatsaid leave this place and start
writing. She is the publishedauthor of soul meets body
precious and fragile things andlive to tell her fourth novel
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date with Kate is in process.
All of her novels are aboutfollowing your heart. And in
additional in addition tonovels, she has an inspirational
blog and as a certified dreammanager, coach and business
consultant. Welcome, Debbie.
Hello, and welcome to resiliencein life and leadership. And I am
here with Debbie Cruz say yoursay your full last name Debbie.
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It's crazy ski kazoo ski. Okay,I can say that. Well, welcome. I
am so glad that you're with us.
And I love your story. I love Ilove.
I love what you said after beingdream crushed by corporate
America. So I want to hear aboutyour journey and how that
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brought to what you're doing nowas a dream coach.
Debby Krusz (01:51):
Oh, thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.
Yes, corporate America is one ofthe pieces of my dream crushing.
I think we all have them in ourlife. And we don't realize how
many people tell you know, youcan't do that. No, no, no, no,
no, no, no, this is what you do.
So I I wasn't really supposed togo into corporate America at
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all. I had switched collegesright before even started. For
some family reasons. I wassupposed to be a ballerina in a
dance company at a differentcollege, they had their own
dance company, I was supposed todance for them. And then my
dream was to do a second degreein business management because I
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wanted to own my own studio.
So I ended up going closer tohome and just majoring in
business and became a balletteacher for a short period of
time, where I strongly learnedthat I that is not my call. kids
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all have for hours at a time wasnot my not my thing. I like to
dance. I don't like to tellpeople how to dance. So that
worked out really well.
Stephanie Olson (03:05):
That's great.
My daughter is actually adancer, so I can totally relate.
Yes. Beautiful.
Debby Krusz (03:11):
Yes. So you know, I just follow the path. You know,
I went to business school. Sothe school I went to was pretty
small. You're either in businessschool or your liberal arts,
most of those people Bri schoolteachers, which was clearly not
my thing. Everybody mostlybecame an accountant. It was
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becoming a new hot field, then Ididn't really understand what
that was. But I felt like if Iwent into just operations
management, that answer a lot ofquestions. So I got into a job.
And it was it was fun. It wasexciting. It was a financial
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printing, which sounds soundslike one of those jobs that
nobody knows what it is becauseit is one of those jobs that
nobody knows what it is. I'mstill explained to this day.
It's like a million years later.
What did you do that? Oh, it's alot. So it was just a crazy job
is 24/7 it was doing livefilings with the Securities and
Exchange Commission's forcompanies going public. They
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grew up anything in between. Andit just was not fulfilling it.
It was fun and glamorous when Istarted but it very slowly lost
its luster. Yeah. And I just tonot get into so much detail. I
just felt like never a right. Itnever felt right to me. Either.
It wasn't a good fit, or I'd getto the next level of management.
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And it was horrible. And then Ijust kept convincing myself
well, oh, because you don't knowit yet. And you're going to work
really hard and it's going to begreat. And then you're going to
get to the next level and that'swhere the dream is that's where
it's going to be better. And soI kept climbing until I made it
to a C level position. And as Iwas there, I was like, I don't
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care how much money this is Idon't, I don't care about the
title, I don't care. This is theworst job in the world. So on
it, this is horrible. It wasn'tbeing hard of having to make the
decision decisions, it was sadof the choices of what the
decisions were. And they werejust not. It was had nothing to
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do with my value or my brand.
And I was, I was lost, I wascompletely lost. And I spent a
lot of time in prayer andmeditation. And I just asked,
what is it that I'm supposed tobe doing? And the voice replied
to me, you need to startwriting? And why don't you leave
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this job and start writing and Iwill do the rest. So, you know,
hey, I'm done here that wentover well.
Stephanie Olson (05:57):
And that was it, how you just go
Debby Krusz (06:00):
anywhere? It was a little bit further over process,
but it was the hugest weightlifted off of me. And then, of
course, you're following yourdream, and everybody around you,
you know, thinks there'ssomething wrong with you. Why
are you crazy? Why would you dosomething like that? I know, you
know, so. There's a wholepsychological piece to it of? Do
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I listen to what my heart istelling me, which I believe is
my center? And that's from God?
Or do I listen to all you aroundme telling right? Not to do
this? And then you realize thepattern was your whole life?
Right? All, you know, is notsitting here pointing a finger.
I specifically want to say, it'snot that people were being mean
to me, and how dare you, theyjust don't they can't see what's
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in my heart as if, as I can'tsee what's in yours. Because I
don't you know, I unless I havea deep conversation and get in
deep there. No, nobody, nobodywill ever really 100% No, but
you
Stephanie Olson (07:01):
well, and I think there's societal
expectations that are set up,that that we are supposed to,
quote unquote, follow. And ifwe're not following those, you
know, if you're in a sea leveljob, you should be thrilled if
you're making the money thatyou're supposed, you know, this
is all societal expectations,that aren't really what we need
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to, you know, and especially,you know, you're obviously a
believer, and so when you'retalking about, you know, what
God's will is for you, and whatthe world's wanting you to do
there. That can be two verydifferent things. Yeah,
Debby Krusz (07:40):
money can't buy you anything, that the joy and
abundance will will give you forwhat, what is in your heart,
and, you know, you're taught,we're taught, like, it's money,
you have to have money, you haveto have material things. Right.
And they don't give youanything. I saw a post yesterday
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of I had a multifamily housethat burned down to the ground.
You know, and it's horrible.
And, and somebody just postedsomething like, oh, all their
stuff, and how, you know, I knowthis, these, these people just
bought this new couch, likethey're alive. Yeah, that's all
right. With the couch does it?
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Who cares? Are you serious, youfocused on this couch who these
people are alive. And if you howquickly when you lose something
like, like your all yourmaterial things, what really
your value is, you don't needanything, you just need the love
that's in your heart. And itjust if everything starts to
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fall into place when sherealized that, but it's it's sad
and amazing how many peopledon't think that money is their
answer.
Stephanie Olson (08:52):
And you cannot take it with you. I mean, that's
the biggest cliche, but it is sotrue. You no one lies on their
deathbed and says, gosh, I wishI would have just made more
money, or I wish I would haveworked a little harder. Nobody
does that. Yeah.
Debby Krusz (09:09):
I know, a neighbor of mine was one of the first
people to win a million dollarsin the lottery. Oh my goodness.
And it's the it's the clichestory of he wins the lottery.
You guys.
Stephanie Olson (09:25):
Oh my gosh, you're kidding.
Debby Krusz (09:27):
Yeah. And before that, you know, all the ugliness
of the family and the greed andyou know, just the man died. And
it was supposed to be thisglamorous thing that he won the
lottery like, Oh, this is gonnaanswer all my problems. It
didn't you know, didn't keepthem alive. It separated his
family. You know, it's it was sosad. It was so sad. And it's it
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really a little part of me kindof scared me to be get it so
fast. Yeah. Get it. You know,it's, it's it was over. I mean
to us as kids, that was like amillion dollars. I don't even
know how to count that, right?
How many zeros is that? But awhat, you know, that was a huge
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thing. But at the same time, youcan't bring it with you. Which
brings me to one of the jokesthat Joel Osteen says, and you
know, this woman, her, herhusband was a gazillionaire.
And, you know, he dies. And youknow, he said, In My Will I want
to bring all my money with you.
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You notice, the relatives arelike, Oh, you really didn't bury
the money with him? Did you?
She's like, Oh, no, I kept mypromises. I wrote him a check. I
love that. You, so you got tokind of put it in perspective of
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what you really can do. Awesome.
Yep.
Stephanie Olson (11:01):
Exactly.
Probably won't get cashed. Butyes, exactly. That's great.
Yeah. So now from the time so,so you decided to to write and
that's what did you have an ideaof what you wanted to write? Or
was there something already onyour heart was it just, I'm just
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gonna write.
Debby Krusz (11:28):
It was it was a very divine voice that came to
me that said, right. And I juststarted writing. And I was
writing Stupid Love stories thatwere really like, really, like
cringe worthy, like, this isn'teven good enough for like a
lifetime commercial. It's justnot not even. So I was like, I
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need some focus here. And Ihired an editor that really put
me in a good mindset and how togo about writing an outline,
she's like you're writing, it'snot the worst, that just, you
have no direction of where thisis really going. So she's like,
write an outline. And you don'thave to follow it, it'll
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probably take its own direction.
But as long as you're trying toget from point A to point B to
point C, you'll, you'll see howthe story evolves. But if
you're, if you're not aimingthat way, you're just like going
off in the dark. And it was asmart idea. And then never
actually follow that straightthrough all the outlines that
ever wrote. But I, when I tellyou, it was just pouring out of
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me at that point where I'msitting there going, my fingers
are hitting the keys, but Idon't really know that I'm here.
I know that it's flowing out ofme and things were connecting.
And even today, when people readit, they're like, Oh, I love how
this piece was connected tothis. And I'm like,
Stephanie Olson (12:50):
me too. That's great.
Debby Krusz (12:56):
Yeah. Some things I didn't even recognize, which is
fun it Yeah, to see it throughother people's eyes. So it was
it was an exciting process. Andit definitely very rewarding of
emotions and feelings that cameout under different people,
character, so on a fried skinunder different circumstances.
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And, of course, when someoneclose to read the door, like I
know exactly what thatrepresents. But to most people,
they, you know, they would haveno idea because it's to
completely, you know, torn apartfrom, you know, it's just like a
piece of something that reallyhappened because you have to
have something to relate to.
But, you know, you think ofthat, even if it's somebody that
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recognizes all that happened inreal life, but it didn't happen
this way. And it didn't writethese characters. And you know,
you have one person that's like,Well, what did people know? It's
me, I'm like, Okay, we're, thisis gonna be a best seller. So
how many 1000s of people aregoing to read this? How many
people actually know you?
Stephanie Olson (14:02):
Right? Exactly.
Debby Krusz (14:04):
It'll be fine.
It'll be fine. And then you havethe people that you know, see a
little glimpse of themselvesknow like, when when is my debut
on showing
Stephanie Olson (14:22):
money, that is great. I love it. So So then did
you go from writing to workingwith businesses or how did that
develop?
Debby Krusz (14:36):
Well, I had some cushion room to write. And I
didn't I wanted to really say inwhat my truth was, and I didn't
know what it looked like. And Idid get I did let all the voices
get to me I'm like, Well, whatare you going to do? What are
you going to do what you'regonna do? And you know, the
scare factor of when those arethe voices that are constantly
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at you, you your your voices arekind of reacting as well. So I
did go through a dark period ofwhile I don't know, and I'm
supposed to know, right. Butthen I didn't see that I was
being flipped back into the fearfactor backed into being sucked
into a life sucking job. It justsat me backwards, just doing
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smaller jobs just because I waslike, Oh my gosh, well, I have
to do something, and not takingthe time to really focus on what
my life purpose was. And whatwas in my heart. I really I lost
it, because I didn't realizethat that was part of the path.
And then I decided to Okay,well, this was fun. Let's go
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back to corporate America. And Inobody really wanted it just, it
was just, I was get a job. Andthey'd be like, Oh, my gosh, we
didn't get the budget for it.
There was just always aridiculous wall of why the
position all of a suddendisappeared, or Oh, my gosh, we
found somebody else that's alittle bit more fit for this
job. It was very, like closeddoor closed or closed door. Very
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confusing and frustrating. Butthe answer was, is you're not
doing the right thing. You'renot listening, I ended up a
friend of mine, we sat down andhad a meeting. And he had just
started a nonprofit, with a witha few others, and somebody that
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was going to be really puttingit all together and be the
operational piece of it. Theyended up breaking ties. So they
asked me if I would come in andhelp. And I did and I decided to
dedicate myself to that for asignificant amount of time. And
then COVID came and you know,every all of that was lost. And
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then the other business venturesI was I was working on that were
pretty big. They they were lostas well. So I got again, Dream,
Dream crushed. And that was thatwas difficult. So I decided to
focus on Well, I'm sick ofliving in the trenches, and in
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the dark. And in these badplaces. The only way I can look
this up. So what if I just turnaround and just turn everything
every day when I can't wake upout of bed, you know, just make
sure that I go and post allthese positive things, make sure
I just tell people in thesupermarket, how great they
look, or just anything I coulddo to be as much as positive as
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I can during the day. So thatwhen I go to that end, I have
things to be grateful for, whichI always you always have
something be grateful for, but Icouldn't see it. And then I
would dream, I would dream good.
I would have good positivedreams. And then I would want to
wake up because I want to getsomething accomplished. That was
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very fulfilling. So I worked onthat cycle. And then that
started to happen. And Irealized I was leading from my
heart. And I was able doingthis, see what was in my heart
and realize what my truepotential was and what my life
purpose was. And as I got there,I was able to see in other
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people their life. And my lightwas shining so bright that
people were coming to me ofwell, I may not know you, I may
not know your story, but I cansee your light. And I know you
could see mine. And I knowobviously that's not exactly the
conversation. But people thatwere broken, were coming to me
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and asking for help. Asking howdo I get out of this place, and
I wasn't so direct with my storyor sharing everything with
everybody. But it was the energythat I'm putting out there of
okay, well, my light is shiningnow.
People can see it. And Irealized that I could help
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people. So I wanted to focus onmy life purpose is to help
people shine their light. Andthat comes from their heart that
comes from within that is givento them by God. And I just want
to stay there and focus on it.
And I saw that all my books wereleading from a place of in the
heart to trusting what is inyour heart, what it's about.
Life is wild and crazy. But lookat how you are watched over and
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look at how you're protected andhow you're loved. Look at how
things can happen for you whenyou think that it's impossible.
And my blog, I was trying to dothe same thing. And the
consulting work that I wasdoing. People just couldn't
under understand how I could doall these things and I had a few
other business ventures as well.
(19:44):
And I just became confusing so Iwas like I'm just gonna stick
with the theme of follow what'sin your heart. And I looked in
deep of you know how to reallypromote that and how to share
that with people. And I lookedin deep have to what my Name It
means and what it's about. And Ifell into this several times of
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knowing it. But for some reasonI went to look at it. And my
name in the Bible is reallyDevorah. And it is the B seeker.
So the B is known as defies alllaws, it's impossible to fly,
it's impossible of what it does.
And it does impossible thingsand it makes things succeed. So
(20:27):
it makes sure that all of natureis succeeding and growing and
giving people positivity if theysee it or not. So I look at it
as the bees, the honey of life,and it brings out energies and
people and it brings out thelight and people and the good
and the positivity and people,and it helps people on their
(20:48):
journey get to their life andsole purpose. Okay, so I that's
how I my program came about, ofthe dream pollinating. Because
we're, we're all pollinating ourdreams, right? So we're going to
start with Dream storming.
Because we have to go through astorm to get to where our dreams
(21:10):
are. So yeah, throwing all ourdreams to the wall, looking at
them and seeing what they'reabout. And you know, this is the
rain of like, I don't know, thisdoesn't work, I can't do that,
oh, bungee jumping soundedgreat. When I was pointing.
Stephanie Olson (21:24):
It never sounded good to me. No.
Debby Krusz (21:28):
But after the storm, there's a rainbow. And
there's sunshine. So it allstarts with, you know, following
all the seasons, because ofpollinating all follows within
the seasons. So that's, youknow, just where I'm at, of, you
know, I got crushed, and I useall those that all of that
energy to turn around of all thecrushing, I was told all the
(21:49):
nose, all the cancer, all ofthat, and I turned it around to
I can rescue all of thosedreams, they may not look the
same, they may not feel thesame. But if they were in your
heart at one point, they'realways recalculated into
something new and somethingelse. So I just want to help
people get there and see theirtrue potential in their true
light.
Stephanie Olson (22:10):
Because sometimes you'll have a dream
and you know it. I was told onceand you know that sometimes that
we have a vision or a plan. Andsometimes that vision has to die
(22:30):
in order for God to put forththe one that he wants in our
hearts. And and then othertimes, like you begin something
and somebody else then can takeit over. And so how do you
determine how or how do you helppeople determine like, Nope,
this is your time to movetowards this this? Is your time
(22:52):
to move away from this or, orthings like that? Or do you? Do
you just coach them to makethose decisions on their own?
Debby Krusz (23:01):
Well, I think that God is always talking to us.
He's always sending us signs andsymbols and redirecting us if we
ever go in the wrong way. So ifthere was a dream, that you're
you can feel like oh, this hasbeen in my heart for so long.
And then you get a taste of itand not know you're not decide
(23:24):
that oh my gosh, this was notfor me this isn't it. You were
given that dream for a reason.
You were given that dream to geton that path. Because that path
opened up so many windowsavenues for you that you may not
have noticed or seen you mightit might not be real for you. So
that's why I make sure no matterwhat somebody says to me to not
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drink crush it because peopledrink crush themselves enough.
They don't need somebody else.
If it's there, and it's yourdream. It's there for a reason.
It might recalculate. It mightkeep recalculating because God's
just gonna be like, okay, shedidn't see that. That's okay.
That's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna try again, we'regonna try again. You know, it's
(24:06):
following the crumbs in theroad, and you can't always see
it. Right? So I believe that ifyou get somewhere and you're
like, I don't want this here,you can have it. If it was you,
if it that was the path you takeyou on, that was the path it was
supposed to take you to. And ifit was to give somebody else it
was to give somebody else andyou helped start somebody's
(24:28):
dream. And there's that meanssomebody has started your dream.
And it's just part of yourjourney. There's more than one
view, you're given hundreds andhundreds of dreams. You just
have to tap into the ones thatfeel right for you. And it's
it's it's a total journey. Iguess. It's a total journey.
Yeah. You're you could be I wasI believed in my heart when I
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was young that I was going to bea doctor. Now if you ever saw me
around I'm blood. Like, I'msure. And I was like, Yeah, that
sounds kind of ridiculous. And Isat down, I completely shut that
down. But I healthcare found me.
(25:15):
I had healthcare companiescoming to me like, oh, we need,
you know, I'm like, I have noidea in the world why anybody in
a health care company would hireme. And I spent time there. I
spent time with doctors, I spendtime in clinical trials, I spend
time and understanding hospitalsand how they work. And it didn't
make any sense to me, until Igot here. And I realized, I only
(25:39):
saw for helping people findwhat's in their heart as healing
and finding their center. Butall I could see and relate to
with what was in my head wassomebody in a doctor's jacket.
Yeah. Right. So I justautomatically decided it was a
doctor. So it could just havethe wrong label on it. Right.
(26:01):
Right. Not realize what it is.
So you have to just keepstarting going down, start to go
down these avenues to to findit, and you have to untorn every
rock for sure. So
Stephanie Olson (26:12):
tell me a little bit about your work with
small businesses. And, you know,specifically like what can small
businesses? I know you work withrestaurants, things like that?
What can they do to actuallyhelp them financially save
money, things like that? Yeah.
Debby Krusz (26:32):
So I mean, I do have a very strong business
background, I've been inoperations for over 25 years, I
work with a Restaurant Group,and a lot of the offerings that
that group has also can beapplied at small business. Yes.
So I have this vast network ofpeople that I trust, we work
(26:53):
very hard in, what are thingsthat we can do as a group to
focus on the restaurantindustry. And it can be small
business as well, of how theindustry is changing. So for a
huge piece of it, especially nowis customer service. Yes. So,
(27:13):
you know, during COVID, thewhole world change restaurants,
the whole model changed. Andthen when, you know, the
government checks stopped, youthere were people that wanted to
go back to work, there's a lotof people that didn't want to
work, and the people that weresort of low end, were still
making more money than theywould have been at their job.
(27:33):
And they chose to not work. Sothat problem with getting
employees was very difficult. Sothen there's becomes this model
of, you know, you can be on arestaurant on both sides of the
street kind of similar. And thisguy's like, Well, I'm gonna give
you a minimum wage of this muchan hour, where this guy's giving
(27:57):
this much an hour. So like $10an hour, and then this guy is
giving $30. Right, right. Andthen you know, then that greed
starts and then you're startingall these levels of
ridiculousness that can't bekept up, and it's just doesn't
match the industry. Sorestaurants were going under,
because they can't keep up withthe demands, they can't get the
(28:18):
employees, which they could. Butthat's, you know, where to look
for them. And then there's,they're losing their value,
they're losing their core valueof what there are, they are
service change, where customersdecide that they're in charge.
And they're become overlydemanding. And, you know, the
(28:39):
customer's always right, is kindof taken to a new level of like,
No, you're not always right. Andthere's, there's too much taking
advantage. So there's certainaspects that we go through. You
had asked about finances. Imean, right now, that is such a
hot topic for small businesses,for restaurants, have a lot of
(28:59):
people for the past two yearsdidn't have income, and have
people that they have to pay andreally need to stay alive and
how to reinvent themselves.
There are so many options thatcan have that can work you can
work on as either a smallbusiness or a restaurant, if
it's a loan, if it's getting inadvance to pay employees before
(29:21):
your age, if you can't make yourpayroll there's there's options
for that. There's options forrefinancing. There's a lot that
I've learned through this wholeprocess for myself and my own
business. I've made plenty ofmistakes, that I can help coach
people to avoid that. But I alsohave reliable sources that I
(29:44):
work with that I can say,Listen, I talked to this person
once a week and we go throughall all scenarios of things.
It's not my choice to make itbut here, person, this person in
this person, here's three, fournumbers for you to call. And
they'll give you their honestopinion. And if they can't help
you, they'll give you otherpeople that can help you. And
(30:07):
you know, I do have a love andaffinity for restaurants. So
that's how I got into thisgroup. And there's a lot more
options that I can do more forrestaurants in that aspect. But
for small businesses, I've doneso much analytical work and
reorganization and redevelopmentand SOPs, that helping a small
business is my core. So yeah,and to purchase bring a positive
(30:32):
aspects. And I also do programsjust to work on that customer
service side of making sure thatyour value is matching your
service, because that is allaround,
Stephanie Olson (30:45):
right. So what do you do you see a huge
difference between your dreamcoaching and your business
consulting, or do they kind ofmeld at some point?
Debby Krusz (30:58):
Well, I have to, at one point come and be one brand
and not 75 different things. Soif I am a dream manager,
pollinator, I'm always going tobring that energy and aspect to
everything I do. So all thatreally means is to bring as much
(31:19):
positivity to everything, rightand bring a good attitude and
bring my honesty to what I cando. Because it just makes the
process that much easier. Andjust to give all those helpful
hints of little things of thatcan make things better. It's not
the same thing. But I'm bringingthe same attitude of excitement
(31:40):
and positive energy, and intoall my analytical work and just
be as honest as possible. And Ido have an amazing amount of
resources that I always feelmakes, helps the process when I
say, oh, my gosh, you need toget all this, you have to redo
all your finances, or you haveto reorganize this side of the
(32:04):
office, or you need help withyour customer service, I at
least have a couple ofreferences in each aspect that I
could say, you know, if you cango out on your own, this is just
my suggestion, but I do havereferences that I can help you
with. And this is stuff thatthey can do. But you're not tied
(32:25):
to anything. You know, it's justvery helpful to be like, oh,
gosh, you have people becauseonce you give somebody, Hey,
this is what your businessshould look like to be
productive. Good luck with that.
It's kind of a waste of theirtime, because they're like, I
came here for help andassistance. Don't just throw me
back out there. Right? You know,you really want I want to
handheld hold people, not to, toYes, to teach them how to fish
(32:50):
and not to do it for them. Butmake sure that they feel
comforted because a lot of timesmaking hard decisions,
especially financial decisions,really can grow this level of
anxiety, yeah, that can make youmake more poor decisions. And I
think that that's the hugestaspect of having somebody that
(33:11):
is your support system throughmaking these major changes that
they don't, you don't reallyget?
Stephanie Olson (33:22):
Well, and I think that you know, when you're
talking about dream crashing,you're talking about okay, this
is what I thought I wanted todo. And now I feel like I'm
called to do that there's got tobe a lot of I mean, there really
could be a lot of anxiety, a lotof fear with that. So how do you
overcome that? If if you knowyou're dealing with that? You
(33:43):
know, definitely you want asupport system. But how do you
really overcome that, that fearand anxiety?
Debby Krusz (33:51):
You You have to recognize what's ego? You know,
who are the people that arereally for you who are against
you? Who do you really trust.
And those sometimes are reallyhard, because you want to be
like, Oh, I totally trust myspouse. But the you know,
they're always talking down tome, or they don't believe in me,
even though they say they do.
(34:13):
They're standing next to me,right? Doesn't mean get rid of
that person. It means that's notthe person in this situation. I
should be leaning on. And onceyou identify your network, and
you know No, okay, well, I havea really good friend from
(34:33):
college that I know, no matterwhat I can always call and just
run ideas by and there's nojudgment. And I need that voice.
So you need a few of thosevoices that are just always
going to recenter you get youback. I'm always going to go and
say Say your prayers, say yourmantra, because that's always
(34:55):
centering yourself. You know,it's it sounds sometimes Seems a
little ridiculous to take timeout of your day when you're
having this when you're in thatanxiety when someone says, just
take a moment to pray, you know,you might want to like, go and
snack them. But when you I mean,I do, like Billy, you know, but
once you make it a practice of,I am going to succeed, I'm going
(35:18):
to be successful at what I do,I'm doing the right thing, I'm
making the right decisions. Justthose simple things, right,
bring you down. There's alsoplenty of exercises that you can
do, especially if you're in aconversation, and you kind of
get starstruck by the questionor that oh, my gosh, I'm so
afraid to give you the rightanswer, because it scares me.
(35:41):
Yeah, where you know, you coulddo there's tapping, you know,
it's there's also centering insome breathing, or just focusing
on three things like, okay,there's three things that I
could see there's a blue wall,there's a star, there's a white
whiteboard, okay, what can Ismell, and just sort of ground
yourself. There's a lot that youcan do in the day, to ease your
(36:06):
anxiety and recognize thatcycle. When does it start, it
starts when things are startingto go really well. And it's
scary. But you also notice thecycle of you're getting yourself
to a higher level that makes youhappy, that makes you fulfilled,
and your old self is here. Andis you're in that transition of
(36:31):
while I'm going here. And yourold self is afraid of yourself
because it's so afraid of whatis to come. And it knows that
you're leaving. And so that alsobrings you down and when you can
recognize that anxiety voicejust come up when there's no
reason for it anymore. Right,right. Like it's time to say
(36:52):
goodbye to old me, and it's timeto invite new me in. And then
that's when you really see theprogress. And you know,
sometimes you need some breaksfrom the from the dream crushers
and I'm not saying break up withanybody. I'm just saying, hey,
you know, I'm not going to giveyour voice power. Yeah, I'm
going to give the positivevoices power. And these are my
(37:14):
three people that are going tohelp me through this season.
It's not always the same inevery season. Right? Right. But
they're hard to identify. Andthat anxiety can keep you in
that that hamster wheel. Getout. I just can't get out.
Stephanie Olson (37:29):
Exactly, exactly. Oh, very good stuff. I
love that. So where can peoplefind you, Debbie?
Debby Krusz (37:38):
Yes. So you can find me on all social media at
Debbie Cruz which is d BVYKRUSZ. My website is the same
Debbie cruz.com. I would alsolove to offer to your listeners
a free download of my latestnovel soulmates body. And
(38:00):
welcome any if anybody wouldlike to talk, I'm very open, you
can book on my homepage. On mywebsite, Debbie cruz.com A
consultation to talk about somedreams.
Stephanie Olson (38:13):
Fabulous. Well, I will make sure all of those
are in the podcast notes that isvery generous of you. Thank you
so much. I appreciate that.
Okay, final question. What doesresilience mean to you?
Debby Krusz (38:27):
Whoo. What does resilience mean? I think it for
me, I sort of look at myself ofAlright, there's that dog that
sees that electric fence and andsome dogs could sit there and be
like, Alright, I'm staying here.
The watch that one dog be like Iam.
Stephanie Olson (38:44):
I had a couple of those.
I am not afraid. Let me bring iton. So
that is great. I love that Iactually had two dogs. They were
labs. And I think one of themalways said, hey, check and see
if that will shock you reallyquick. Go check that first and
(39:06):
then the other one would go.
Okay, we got that. But yeah,that I love that. That's good.
Because yeah, you've got to keepgoing. Right. Got to keep keep
moving forward.
Debby Krusz (39:18):
Hold'em have no one to fold. That's right.
Stephanie Olson (39:22):
Well, Debbie, thank you so much. It's really
been a pleasure talking to you.
I love the work that you'redoing. And I love that you are
so available for people to findyou and that you took what was
just a really difficult time andyou are using that to help and
benefit others. So thank you somuch for being on the show.
Debby Krusz (39:44):
Oh, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate
it so much.
Stephanie Olson (39:47):
Absolutely. And thank you for listening to
resilience in life andleadership. And we will see you
next time. Thank you forlistening. Please share with
anyone you think will benefitfrom this podcast.
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