May 27, 2025 • 28 mins
In this special season finale of Restoration Beyond the Couch, Dr. Lee Long is joined by his wife, Charlotte Long, to look back on some of the most powerful conversations and meaningful moments from the season. Together, they reflect on standout episodes, personal insights, and recurring themes that left a lasting impact.
It’s a celebration of growth, connection, and the voices that made this season so impactful, as well as a glimpse into what’s to come.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Dr Lee Long.
Welcome to the season twofinale of Restoration Beyond the
Couch.
I'm Dr Lee Long, and todaywe're taking a moment to reflect
, celebrate and look ahead.
This season has been filledwith meaningful conversation,
powerful insights and storiesthat have inspired growth,
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healing and connection.
In this episode, we'rerevisiting the moments that made
an impact and sharing what'snext, for both Restoration and
the podcast.
So, whether you've been with usfrom the beginning or just
discovered us, we're so gladyou're here.
Your path to mental wellnesscontinues and we're honored to
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walk it with you.
Welcome, charlotte Long, toRestoration Beyond the Couch.
Thank you, I'm so glad thatyou're here.
You have been the wind beneathmy wings for many years and I'm
so glad you agreed to do this.
Thank you, and so we're goingto talk about all things
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Restoration Beyond the Couch.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, absolutely it's been fun.
What's been neat from myperspective is a lot of these
podcasts.
I don't even know who's on it,much less what the content is,
until they're launched.
Who's on it, much less what thecontent is until they're
launched and I wake up.
Excuse me, and I see you knowthat since I subscribe, I'm a
subscriber.
I went to Apple podcast, thankyou for that.
And I pushed the plus button inthe right hand corner and so it
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pops up on my screen and saysthere's a new podcast and it's
exciting.
And I hear it and I'm alwaysblown away and it's always so
helpful.
I always gain something that Ican take home and practice and
implement in my life one way oranother.
So thank you for that and, inaddition to that, I just think
that it's a great way to offerthese resources to people
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literally beyond the couch.
One-on-one sessions are greatfantastic marriage sessions,
family sessions but therapy canbe done anywhere is what this is
showing me.
Tell me more about what yourintent was in this.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So the whole be on the couch idea is the fact that
you know there are people whowill come and sit in our offices
or an office anywhere, frankly,and they'll work through the
things that the struggles thatthey have going on they'll work
through.
You work through the things thatthe struggles that they have
going on they'll work through.
Um, you know the things thatthey want to work through, but
there are also people who maynever either be willing or able
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to darken the door of an officeor a therapeutic office and I, I
want to provide a service or anopportunity for somebody to
join in that conversation, tosay, okay, I realized that
anxiety doesn't have to bedebilitating, that I could have
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a perspective on what I'm goingthrough that might actually be
powerful for me, without havingto go into an office and sit
with a therapist.
And so it truly was to try totake these skills or these
options or opportunities topeople beyond the couch do
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therapy, they show up in anoffice here or anywhere that
they might have an addendum oran opportunity to go further in
their own minds.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, I think that there is kind of this like a lot
of people don't know whattherapy is or what counseling
looks like, and they think it'sjust sitting in an office and
somebody saying how does thatmake you feel?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well, there are those who do that.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
This broadens it so much more and I've been amazed
at the topics.
Can you go over some of thelike?
Everything from sleep, which iscrucial in mental health.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And who knew right?
Who knew that sleep was sopivotal?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I knew, yes, you did.
I love my sleep.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
You do, you have and you've taught me a lot about
that through the years, andyou're right and what it does to
our brain.
I had no idea that our brainscleaned themselves, like who
knew that scientists did, and Icame across that information in
the last couple of years andit's a game changer to think
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about.
Who knew that dreaming was sopowerful for your brain, that it
makes your brain more efficient, it helps you sort through all
kinds of wonderful things and Imean I just think we right like
sleep is such a pivotal piecefor mental health and physical
health, right?
Yeah, so such a pivotal piecefor mental health and physical
health.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Right yeah, so that was an interesting topic.
We talked about different modesof therapy beyond just
one-on-one talking to atherapist.
What are some of those wecovered?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So we covered DBT, or dialectical behavioral therapy,
which we offer here atRestoration and it's just we, we
walked through that as anoverview and DBT.
Sometimes people ask what arethe four pillars of DBT.
The first pillar, in the, inthe cornerstone of DBT, is
mindfulness, because a personhas to be connected to
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themselves in order to um sortany of the other things out in
their life.
It's emotional regulation,distress, tolerance and
interpersonal effectiveness.
So those are the four pillarsof the four pieces of DBT.
We also talked about CBASP, andno, that is not an order, not a
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seafood order at a restaurant.
It's cognitive, behavioralanalysis, systems of
psychotherapy, total mouthful.
But CBASP is an interpersonaltheory of psychotherapy and it's
an acquisition learning theory,meaning you acquire new skills.
Dbt is also an acquisitionlearning theory, but CBASP is
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very much an interpersonallearning theory and so it really
focuses on the relationshipbetween the therapist and the
person that's being treated, andit's mostly normed for chronic
depression.
But we are at an exciting timein our field with CBASP where we
are working through the optionsof other concerns or issues
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that people struggle with thatCBASP would be a good fit for.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So that's on the forefront too, that that you
know.
Expanding CBASP that reminds mehow one of our play therapists,
cara Burr, who's been featuredin a journal article with her
integration of CBASP with childplay therapy and how she
utilizes that with the children.
Can you talk about that alittle bit?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, so.
So she's worked on that withthe creator of CBASP, who is our
mentor here, and they, theyhave all worked.
They have worked together toput together something that
makes sense for what I call thebabies and, uh, the the way that
they're looking at that.
And I don't want to get too farinto the weeds on the technical
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stuff, but because CBASP is aninterpersonal theory and I'm
going to say that a hundredmillion times it is
interpersonal there is a grid ora circumplex, is what its
technical word is that is usedto show when somebody is let's
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say they're a domineeringpersonality, what the
interpersonal pull is to theother person.
Like, if I walk in the room andI'm a very domineering force,
what that pulls out of mostpeople in the room is to be
submissive.
Okay, you want to take charge?
I'll let you right.
There are other people who havedifferent types of responses and
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we use in CBASP this it'scalled the IMI or the inner, the
impact messaging inventory, andwe know that a person's like a
person's interpersonal style,and so it's teaching parents
what is your kid's interpersonalstyle?
Are they a dominant kid?
Are they more of a submissivekid?
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Do they move over to thefriendly side of that octant Do
they move over to the hostileside and the word hostile really
means the whole stay away fromme bit, but that's how that's
being utilized is, how does yourkid relate and what does it
pull out of you?
Because there's some parentsthat will say, you know, my kid
just makes me want to pound thetable and yell at them.
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And those kids are usually thepassive, aggressive kids.
They're the hostile, submissiveand they pull out of their
parent, that hostile dominance,right.
And so once the parents seethat in that octant, it really
illuminates that interpersonalinteraction.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
That's so interesting to me.
I loved hearing the episodewith Kara Burr because I hear
the sweet voices in our waitingroom.
It's so cute and I've seen ourbeautiful, fun, colorful,
interactive play therapy roomand to get to connect those dots
of what goes in there.
There's so much intentionalityand everything is so intentional
and that was fun to hear about.
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So we had that.
We had neurofeedback.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, so that's another modality that we use
here with neurofeedback, andwhat I love about neurofeedback
is the, the, the brain mapping,and, uh, the, the.
Dr Weckl uses brain mapping ina lot of his assessments, which
is another really nice featureof understanding what's really
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going on underneath the hoodhere.
Now, neurofeedback does notimprove Pute something into you.
It reads what you're puttingout, and so it's not an invasive
treatment but, like for folkswho have struggled through like
attention issues, anxiety issues, even I've seen it work with
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trauma of helping them focus onthe, the, the.
The way it works is that youwatch a TV, a show on on the
television that's in front ofthem, and if you're, if you're
losing focus, the clarity of thevideo goes away and the.
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But the more you focus, themore the clarity of the video
comes back, and so that it'sit's in real time, giving you
feedback about how your brain isoperating and things that you
can do in real time to adjust it.
Yeah, so it's been a.
It's such a powerful modalitythat we offer here.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And it has a lifelong impact.
Right, it's not something Imean you can go in for tune-ups
I don't know the proper name butit's something that will
forever strengthen thoseneuropathways.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yes, because it's like a workout.
It teaches you how to do it onyour own.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And speaking of Dr Jeff Weckl, he also.
We did a fascinating episodethat was so interesting, on
testing and assessment.
I've always wondered too whenpeople call and they want
testing and assessment.
There's not just a pat answer,it's very individualized to the
person and that's taken intoconsideration with a brief
interview, and so can you justkind of a quick overview of what
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the testing and assessment.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, so the way that it's done here is that they
come in, you'll do a quick ornot a quick, you'll do an intake
meeting, and so that's wherethe psychologist will grab
background information on theperson being assessed and that's
where the menu ofquestionnaires is sort of chosen
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from.
Is after that questionnaire,then the person who's having the
testing done for them will gothrough all of that.
Then it's a couple of weeks Ithink I don't want to.
I mean it's a period of timethat that is all pulled together
and then a report is done andthen you have a feedback session
.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
So helpful when treating also?
Yeah, because you can be veryprecise.
Yes, so we had that.
We had a lot of fun topics too.
I have to share a fun story.
I'm going to touch on thedating, and one of our
administrators just told me thisand it made me chuckle.
But we just had an episodecalled Dating Over 50.
And she just turned 50.
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And she's a supporter of us soshe put it on in her car.
You know was listening anddidn't finish the episode.
So when her daughter gets inand it pops up on her screen
dating over 50.
She looks and says Mom, she'shaving a supportive frustration.
Well, then she leaves and thenthe next day her husband gets in
the car and he turns on the car.
It pops up real big on herscreen dating over 50.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And he says, honey, do we have something to talk
about?
Yeah, right.
But anyway, he gave some greatinformation, some great, yeah,
but anyway, he gave some greatinformation Some great, yeah, dr
Don Hebert.
And he gave some greatinformation.
He wrote a book called Rematchand in that book he gives such
good information about what it'slike Because people who are in
that stage of life have not gonethrough all of the
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technological changes in the waythat you meet someone, and so I
mean I work with people whomaybe they may not be 50 yet but
they find themselves later inlife trying to date and how to
go about that.
A lot of those people who arethey've never been through this
with a technology.
It's been such a helpful tooland so, yeah, dawn, that was,
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yeah, that was a great one.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And then you and your sister Lila also talked about.
She's one of our counselorshere at Restoration Counseling
and executive team and poursinto all the other counselors.
But she also talked about thedating issue.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, we did talk about the dating and
relationships.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, that goes into that we're going to kind of
dating and relationships.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, that goes into that.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
We're going to kind of do a part two, hopefully with
her Cause.
That was such a good one.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, it was a great one.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Um, so gosh, who else we?
We touched on eating disorderwith the wonderful, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Nicoletta Bradley.
Right, right, yes.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
We had some sound issues which we learned a lot
about podcasting from that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I would.
I'd have to say that.
One of the things aboutpodcasting that I had no idea
because I've never done thisbefore, we've never done this
before.
That one of the things that I Ijust thought it would be
seamless and you just come in,you just say what you need to
say and you move on.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But that's Enneagram seven.
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
And I didn't.
I you don't consider how oftentechnology I mean, as we're
talking about technology earliertechnology is a wonderful thing
until it's not and yeah, sothere's all kinds of
technological things and youknow episodes that we would
record and something wouldhappen with the recording and we
couldn't use it.
So such a bummer.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, there was one where we talked about um the
different generations.
Yes, and the work that thatsome of our therapists have done
with that, with, uh, quitespecifically Dr Sarah Blakeney,
and uh, we ended up having torerecord that, which was fun
Like spending time with Sarah isalways great and having to read
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, think through all thosedifferent angles, it's like,
well, I've already said that,but it left it was left.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
She was such a great sport.
Thank you, sarah.
Um twice we had our featuredguests sober sis.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Jen couch love sober great information.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Talk about therapy beyond the couch.
She has a ministry that goesbeyond.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, her organization is quite
fascinating.
It's so wonderful.
It is focused on women that arelooking to be sober minded, and
the way that she goes about itis so uplifting, it's so
encouraging and it's reallypowerful.
(16:04):
And she talks about not justbeing abstinent from substances
but being sober minded in theway you live life, which I am a
huge fan of sober mindedness.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yes, and.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I'm a huge fan of Jen Couch.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I love sober sense Absolutely yes, and I'm a huge
fan of Jen couch.
I love sober Absolutely yeah.
We would be remiss if we didn'tdo a huge shout out to endure
lab and your lifeline right.
Mr Lee Hargrave.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
That's right, that has gotten you through thick and
thin right Through everyathletic endeavor that I've, I
have uh chosen to take on.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
He has coached me through all of my marathons, all
of my ultra marathons, all ofmy heaviest lifts yes, lee.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Hargrave and Isis Hargrave have done that for so
many people and continue to dothat for people here in Fort
Worth.
I've been able to experiencesome of the training from them,
and it's life changing.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's wonderful, it is life changing.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
We have so many great resources around us.
I'm glad we can share them.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Uh, we also, oh, Enneagram.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Oh my gosh.
Yes, so the Enneagram talkabout, talk about a resource.
I mean the first episode of theEnneagram, we went through all
the numbers, then the second uhepisode with the Enneagram with
with Dana Corley and Jetty Bowen, who Jetty Bowen is one of our
therapists here we walkedthrough the different in.
(17:26):
They call them intelligencecenters, but they are basically
how you perceive the world.
From what angle or perspectivedoes each of the numbers
perceive the world?
And it was such an enlighteningexperience, it was such an
enlightening episode, I thought,for me and we've had some
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really good feedback on that.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yes, we have so much so that we did a second one that
went deeper into it, and itcomes up almost daily in our
household because, we'reinteracting with such a variety
of personality types under oneroof Tracy Carrington.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Oh my gosh, Dr Tracy, dr Tracy.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Dr Tracy.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That was such a fun one.
Yeah, um, dr Tracy does suchgreat work with athletes all
over the world and helping themwalk through mindset issues and
helping we do such collaborativework and I love, I love
collaborating with with uh, withTracy.
She's such a giftedprofessional and helping these
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amazing high level like Olympicathletes, professional athletes,
like in collegiate athletes,high school athletes, like she
works with all levels of theseindividuals and helps them get
their mind around their success.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It was kind of fun that we were trying to
coordinate with her.
I was like, well, how aboutthis day?
And she's like, oh, I'm goingto be in Paris with my athletes
competing in the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Oh darn.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Okay, she's so interesting, so effective.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And now also we have RJ Halbert, and that's really
exciting to talk about, becauselook what a difference a year
made.
Their book was already abestseller.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It was an enjoyable read.
It was doing as well as itcould.
You got to be featured on theKelly Clarkson show with them.
And now where are they?
What are they doing?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
So the interesting thing about their book if I'm
going to go back just a littlebit their book is mystery.
As Jason says, the J of the RJsays it's mystery, some history
and a little bit of therapy, andI think there is there.
I have not heard a more aptexplanation of of how, of the
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book?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, the book is titled caretaker right, it's the
good pastor chronicles.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's the first of three and it it's a fantastic
book.
And you're right, they've wonall types of awards for this
book.
It's been a bestseller and thenthe year later calling it an
audio book because it's more ofan audio experience.
And that finally dropped in Mayof 2025.
(20:08):
And it is, I think, yes, forthe character Liana Right, very
touching, one of the maincharacters.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And then you know the actors reading the.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh my gosh, the actors reading the script are
really.
I mean, they're just.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Download the Audible today.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
They're fantastic yeah, go get the Audible.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
We also had Michael Menard the kite that wouldn't
fly.
Yeah, Michael Menard, the kitethat wouldn't fly.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, michael Menard is such a oh, I love that
character.
He is such a great guy.
Yeah, he invented thedisposable diaper and he is.
He's just a.
Really he's just an ingenuitivelike creative guy who is
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looking to solve problems.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Specifically trauma.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well, right now he's at the place where he's looking
to solve childhood trauma and Ilove his.
He's like Lee we're going totake on the world and we are
going to solve childhood traumaand he has a foundation that is
called you act united againstchildhood trauma, and the
website for that is you act nowand he is.
(21:35):
He's launching this and he ishe will release a book soon
called greater than gravity howchildhood trauma holds you down.
And when.
When that comes out, we'lldefinitely talk with Michael
again, but, yeah, with MikeMenard, and his current book
that's already out is the Kitethat Couldn't Fly and other
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stories.
He was one of 14 kids who grewup in a 900 square foot home and
he talks through all the upsand downs of that.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
It's a great read.
So we touched on hormoneregulation, different modes of
brain scans from the Amen Clinicwhen we brought in yes, Lisa
Marie Shaughnessy and she's awhat a phenomenal person.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Talk to her about her track or adventure through her
own hormone replacement.
We talked with her about herown hormone replacement
adventure and uh all the, allthe ups and downs that that had
and just the stories that shethat she learned about, uh just
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other all the people that shemet and learned their stories as
she walked through her own.
Um, I don't want to call itadventure, cause that sounds
positive, but her own journeywith with such a thing and so
walking out of that process forher was really a life changing
piece for her.
And then her job at the AmenClinic and what all the the Amen
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Clinic does, which is a reallyfun thing to to walk through.
We also talked to Ministry Safe.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Oh gosh, yes.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
With Greg Love and Kim Norris there, and Greg came
on and talked about Ministry,safe and all the things that
they do to protect children andenvironments, learning
environments, schoolenvironments, church
environments, sportsenvironments just the different
themed places that kids wouldhave uh, our kids or vulnerable,
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the vulnerable populations andthe things that that they have
put into place.
When you talk about warriors,those two are warriors for
children and for for vulnerablepopulations.
And so man shout out to them.
Absolutely, thank you for whatyou do.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, and not only do they do it, but they teach
along the way so effectively.
They have Ministry Safe portalwhere you can go and be
certified in Ministry Safetechniques and implement that
into your own organization,which we use here at Restoration
Counseling Right right.
So we make sure everybody'sprotected.
That's right.
A couple times as well, we hadone of our besties at.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Restoration Dr Debra Atkinson Dr.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Debra Atkinson.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yes, love spending time with Dr A.
We talked through her bookMastering your Storm
Perspectives from a Psychiatristand a Coach, and what a wealth
of knowledge.
I mean we talked throughdopamine and its impact on the
brain, the body, the differentthings that dopamine does for us
(24:44):
and not so much for us, but wetalked through just all kinds of
mental wellness concepts.
And so always love talking toDr.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
A oh yes.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Another guest that we had on this past season was Dr
Eric Wood.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Dr Eric Wood yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
He's at TCU.
He's at the TCU CounselingCenter.
So Eric Wood implemented areally unique program at TCU and
he utilized services outside ofTCU some different providers
and we happened to be one ofthem and we were the beta test
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for the TCU program that wherewe offered our DBT program on
the tcu campus and the outcomeswere so phenomenal that they
opened it up to other providers.
And the tcu students are reallyum, they really do get to
benefit from some really awesomepsychological mental health
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providers on their campus sothey don't have to worry about
leaving campus or going to anunknown space.
They get to do that, they getto utilize that.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
And then, of course, your very most important guest
of the entire season.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yes, probably of all seasons that will be unless.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Unless we can convince the other two Right.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Was our daughter Ella , and that was such a humbling
and wonderful experience.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
She was a good sport.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
She was a great sport , but it was so fun to talk
through, just from apsychological perspective, what
it was like growing up with atherapist as a parent, but also
getting to talk to her about myperspective of being her dad.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, it was called Through my Daughter's Eyes, I
believe.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I think that's right.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And, yeah, we always love everybody's feedback and we
try to implement that as muchas possible, and we've had some
great suggestions that we lookforward to filling in.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And you know this is so fun for me, like I love
getting to talk with differentpeople, get to hear their story,
you know, get to think aboutthings that you know I don't get
the space or time often tothink about, um, to think about
and just to discover new things.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
And so I would say look forward to these seasons
coming, that we're going to keepdiscovering, we're going to
keep asking questions, we'regoing to keep learning.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And I'm excited to be on this adventure with you.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, and you squelched my idea of doing it
like a you know Desperate House,not Desperate Housewives a Real
Housewives episode with thecameras following and the drama.
Yeah, no, we're not doing thatand you squelched the idea of a
British accent.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Authentically us.
Okay, yeah, Well, thanks forlistening for thank you to all
of listeners for listening forthis this past season and we've
had so much fun doing this andour next season.
I look forward to having justas much, if not more, fun
bringing content at no cost toyou.
(28:02):
So thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
If you found value in our discussion and wish to
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Dr Lee Long.
Welcome to the season twofinale of Restoration Beyond the
Couch.
I'm Dr Lee Long, and todaywe're taking a moment to reflect
, celebrate and look ahead.
This season has been filledwith meaningful conversation,
powerful insights and storiesthat have inspired growth,
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healing and connection.
In this episode, we'rerevisiting the moments that made
an impact and sharing what'snext, for both Restoration and
the podcast.
So, whether you've been with usfrom the beginning or just
discovered us, we're so gladyou're here.
Your path to mental wellnesscontinues and we're honored to
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walk it with you.
Welcome, charlotte Long, toRestoration Beyond the Couch.
Thank you, I'm so glad thatyou're here.
You have been the wind beneathmy wings for many years and I'm
so glad you agreed to do this.
Thank you, and so we're goingto talk about all things
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Restoration Beyond the Couch.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, absolutely it's been fun.
What's been neat from myperspective is a lot of these
podcasts.
I don't even know who's on it,much less what the content is,
until they're launched.
Who's on it, much less what thecontent is until they're
launched and I wake up.
Excuse me, and I see you knowthat since I subscribe, I'm a
subscriber.
I went to Apple podcast, thankyou for that.
And I pushed the plus button inthe right hand corner and so it
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pops up on my screen and saysthere's a new podcast and it's
exciting.
And I hear it and I'm alwaysblown away and it's always so
helpful.
I always gain something that Ican take home and practice and
implement in my life one way oranother.
So thank you for that and, inaddition to that, I just think
that it's a great way to offerthese resources to people
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literally beyond the couch.
One-on-one sessions are greatfantastic marriage sessions,
family sessions but therapy canbe done anywhere is what this is
showing me.
Tell me more about what yourintent was in this.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So the whole be on the couch idea is the fact that
you know there are people whowill come and sit in our offices
or an office anywhere, frankly,and they'll work through the
things that the struggles thatthey have going on they'll work
through.
You work through the things thatthe struggles that they have
going on they'll work through.
Um, you know the things thatthey want to work through, but
there are also people who maynever either be willing or able
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to darken the door of an officeor a therapeutic office and I, I
want to provide a service or anopportunity for somebody to
join in that conversation, tosay, okay, I realized that
anxiety doesn't have to bedebilitating, that I could have
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a perspective on what I'm goingthrough that might actually be
powerful for me, without havingto go into an office and sit
with a therapist.
And so it truly was to try totake these skills or these
options or opportunities topeople beyond the couch do
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therapy, they show up in anoffice here or anywhere that
they might have an addendum oran opportunity to go further in
their own minds.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, I think that there is kind of this like a lot
of people don't know whattherapy is or what counseling
looks like, and they think it'sjust sitting in an office and
somebody saying how does thatmake you feel?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well, there are those who do that.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
This broadens it so much more and I've been amazed
at the topics.
Can you go over some of thelike?
Everything from sleep, which iscrucial in mental health.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And who knew right?
Who knew that sleep was sopivotal?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I knew, yes, you did.
I love my sleep.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
You do, you have and you've taught me a lot about
that through the years, andyou're right and what it does to
our brain.
I had no idea that our brainscleaned themselves, like who
knew that scientists did, and Icame across that information in
the last couple of years andit's a game changer to think
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about.
Who knew that dreaming was sopowerful for your brain, that it
makes your brain more efficient, it helps you sort through all
kinds of wonderful things and Imean I just think we right like
sleep is such a pivotal piecefor mental health and physical
health, right?
Yeah, so such a pivotal piecefor mental health and physical
health.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Right yeah, so that was an interesting topic.
We talked about different modesof therapy beyond just
one-on-one talking to atherapist.
What are some of those wecovered?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So we covered DBT, or dialectical behavioral therapy,
which we offer here atRestoration and it's just we, we
walked through that as anoverview and DBT.
Sometimes people ask what arethe four pillars of DBT.
The first pillar, in the, inthe cornerstone of DBT, is
mindfulness, because a personhas to be connected to
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themselves in order to um sortany of the other things out in
their life.
It's emotional regulation,distress, tolerance and
interpersonal effectiveness.
So those are the four pillarsof the four pieces of DBT.
We also talked about CBASP, andno, that is not an order, not a
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seafood order at a restaurant.
It's cognitive, behavioralanalysis, systems of
psychotherapy, total mouthful.
But CBASP is an interpersonaltheory of psychotherapy and it's
an acquisition learning theory,meaning you acquire new skills.
Dbt is also an acquisitionlearning theory, but CBASP is
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very much an interpersonallearning theory and so it really
focuses on the relationshipbetween the therapist and the
person that's being treated, andit's mostly normed for chronic
depression.
But we are at an exciting timein our field with CBASP where we
are working through the optionsof other concerns or issues
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that people struggle with thatCBASP would be a good fit for.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
So that's on the forefront too, that that you
know.
Expanding CBASP that reminds mehow one of our play therapists,
cara Burr, who's been featuredin a journal article with her
integration of CBASP with childplay therapy and how she
utilizes that with the children.
Can you talk about that alittle bit?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, so.
So she's worked on that withthe creator of CBASP, who is our
mentor here, and they, theyhave all worked.
They have worked together toput together something that
makes sense for what I call thebabies and, uh, the the way that
they're looking at that.
And I don't want to get too farinto the weeds on the technical
(07:15):
stuff, but because CBASP is aninterpersonal theory and I'm
going to say that a hundredmillion times it is
interpersonal there is a grid ora circumplex, is what its
technical word is that is usedto show when somebody is let's
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say they're a domineeringpersonality, what the
interpersonal pull is to theother person.
Like, if I walk in the room andI'm a very domineering force,
what that pulls out of mostpeople in the room is to be
submissive.
Okay, you want to take charge?
I'll let you right.
There are other people who havedifferent types of responses and
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we use in CBASP this it'scalled the IMI or the inner, the
impact messaging inventory, andwe know that a person's like a
person's interpersonal style,and so it's teaching parents
what is your kid's interpersonalstyle?
Are they a dominant kid?
Are they more of a submissivekid?
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Do they move over to thefriendly side of that octant Do
they move over to the hostileside and the word hostile really
means the whole stay away fromme bit, but that's how that's
being utilized is, how does yourkid relate and what does it
pull out of you?
Because there's some parentsthat will say, you know, my kid
just makes me want to pound thetable and yell at them.
(08:42):
And those kids are usually thepassive, aggressive kids.
They're the hostile, submissiveand they pull out of their
parent, that hostile dominance,right.
And so once the parents seethat in that octant, it really
illuminates that interpersonalinteraction.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
That's so interesting to me.
I loved hearing the episodewith Kara Burr because I hear
the sweet voices in our waitingroom.
It's so cute and I've seen ourbeautiful, fun, colorful,
interactive play therapy roomand to get to connect those dots
of what goes in there.
There's so much intentionalityand everything is so intentional
and that was fun to hear about.
(09:23):
So we had that.
We had neurofeedback.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, so that's another modality that we use
here with neurofeedback, andwhat I love about neurofeedback
is the, the, the brain mapping,and, uh, the, the.
Dr Weckl uses brain mapping ina lot of his assessments, which
is another really nice featureof understanding what's really
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going on underneath the hoodhere.
Now, neurofeedback does notimprove Pute something into you.
It reads what you're puttingout, and so it's not an invasive
treatment but, like for folkswho have struggled through like
attention issues, anxiety issues, even I've seen it work with
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trauma of helping them focus onthe, the, the.
The way it works is that youwatch a TV, a show on on the
television that's in front ofthem, and if you're, if you're
losing focus, the clarity of thevideo goes away and the.
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But the more you focus, themore the clarity of the video
comes back, and so that it'sit's in real time, giving you
feedback about how your brain isoperating and things that you
can do in real time to adjust it.
Yeah, so it's been a.
It's such a powerful modalitythat we offer here.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
And it has a lifelong impact.
Right, it's not something Imean you can go in for tune-ups
I don't know the proper name butit's something that will
forever strengthen thoseneuropathways.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yes, because it's like a workout.
It teaches you how to do it onyour own.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
And speaking of Dr Jeff Weckl, he also.
We did a fascinating episodethat was so interesting, on
testing and assessment.
I've always wondered too whenpeople call and they want
testing and assessment.
There's not just a pat answer,it's very individualized to the
person and that's taken intoconsideration with a brief
interview, and so can you justkind of a quick overview of what
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the testing and assessment.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, so the way that it's done here is that they
come in, you'll do a quick ornot a quick, you'll do an intake
meeting, and so that's wherethe psychologist will grab
background information on theperson being assessed and that's
where the menu ofquestionnaires is sort of chosen
(11:49):
from.
Is after that questionnaire,then the person who's having the
testing done for them will gothrough all of that.
Then it's a couple of weeks Ithink I don't want to.
I mean it's a period of timethat that is all pulled together
and then a report is done andthen you have a feedback session
.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
So helpful when treating also?
Yeah, because you can be veryprecise.
Yes, so we had that.
We had a lot of fun topics too.
I have to share a fun story.
I'm going to touch on thedating, and one of our
administrators just told me thisand it made me chuckle.
But we just had an episodecalled Dating Over 50.
And she just turned 50.
(12:30):
And she's a supporter of us soshe put it on in her car.
You know was listening anddidn't finish the episode.
So when her daughter gets inand it pops up on her screen
dating over 50.
She looks and says Mom, she'shaving a supportive frustration.
Well, then she leaves and thenthe next day her husband gets in
the car and he turns on the car.
It pops up real big on herscreen dating over 50.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And he says, honey, do we have something to talk
about?
Yeah, right.
But anyway, he gave some greatinformation, some great, yeah,
but anyway, he gave some greatinformation Some great, yeah, dr
Don Hebert.
And he gave some greatinformation.
He wrote a book called Rematchand in that book he gives such
good information about what it'slike Because people who are in
that stage of life have not gonethrough all of the
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technological changes in the waythat you meet someone, and so I
mean I work with people whomaybe they may not be 50 yet but
they find themselves later inlife trying to date and how to
go about that.
A lot of those people who arethey've never been through this
with a technology.
It's been such a helpful tooland so, yeah, dawn, that was,
(13:42):
yeah, that was a great one.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And then you and your sister Lila also talked about.
She's one of our counselorshere at Restoration Counseling
and executive team and poursinto all the other counselors.
But she also talked about thedating issue.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, we did talk about the dating and
relationships.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, that goes into that we're going to kind of
dating and relationships.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, that goes into that.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
We're going to kind of do a part two, hopefully with
her Cause.
That was such a good one.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, it was a great one.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Um, so gosh, who else we?
We touched on eating disorderwith the wonderful, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Nicoletta Bradley.
Right, right, yes.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
We had some sound issues which we learned a lot
about podcasting from that, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I would.
I'd have to say that.
One of the things aboutpodcasting that I had no idea
because I've never done thisbefore, we've never done this
before.
That one of the things that I Ijust thought it would be
seamless and you just come in,you just say what you need to
say and you move on.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But that's Enneagram seven.
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
And I didn't.
I you don't consider how oftentechnology I mean, as we're
talking about technology earliertechnology is a wonderful thing
until it's not and yeah, sothere's all kinds of
technological things and youknow episodes that we would
record and something wouldhappen with the recording and we
couldn't use it.
So such a bummer.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, there was one where we talked about um the
different generations.
Yes, and the work that thatsome of our therapists have done
with that, with, uh, quitespecifically Dr Sarah Blakeney,
and uh, we ended up having torerecord that, which was fun
Like spending time with Sarah isalways great and having to read
(15:21):
, think through all thosedifferent angles, it's like,
well, I've already said that,but it left it was left.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
She was such a great sport.
Thank you, sarah.
Um twice we had our featuredguests sober sis.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Jen couch love sober great information.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Talk about therapy beyond the couch.
She has a ministry that goesbeyond.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, her organization is quite
fascinating.
It's so wonderful.
It is focused on women that arelooking to be sober minded, and
the way that she goes about itis so uplifting, it's so
encouraging and it's reallypowerful.
(16:04):
And she talks about not justbeing abstinent from substances
but being sober minded in theway you live life, which I am a
huge fan of sober mindedness.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yes, and.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I'm a huge fan of Jen Couch.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I love sober sense Absolutely yes, and I'm a huge
fan of Jen couch.
I love sober Absolutely yeah.
We would be remiss if we didn'tdo a huge shout out to endure
lab and your lifeline right.
Mr Lee Hargrave.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
That's right, that has gotten you through thick and
thin right Through everyathletic endeavor that I've, I
have uh chosen to take on.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
He has coached me through all of my marathons, all
of my ultra marathons, all ofmy heaviest lifts yes, lee.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Hargrave and Isis Hargrave have done that for so
many people and continue to dothat for people here in Fort
Worth.
I've been able to experiencesome of the training from them,
and it's life changing.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's wonderful, it is life changing.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
We have so many great resources around us.
I'm glad we can share them.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Uh, we also, oh, Enneagram.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Oh my gosh.
Yes, so the Enneagram talkabout, talk about a resource.
I mean the first episode of theEnneagram, we went through all
the numbers, then the second uhepisode with the Enneagram with
with Dana Corley and Jetty Bowen, who Jetty Bowen is one of our
therapists here we walkedthrough the different in.
(17:26):
They call them intelligencecenters, but they are basically
how you perceive the world.
From what angle or perspectivedoes each of the numbers
perceive the world?
And it was such an enlighteningexperience, it was such an
enlightening episode, I thought,for me and we've had some
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really good feedback on that.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yes, we have so much so that we did a second one that
went deeper into it, and itcomes up almost daily in our
household because, we'reinteracting with such a variety
of personality types under oneroof Tracy Carrington.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Oh my gosh, Dr Tracy, dr Tracy.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Dr Tracy.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
That was such a fun one.
Yeah, um, dr Tracy does suchgreat work with athletes all
over the world and helping themwalk through mindset issues and
helping we do such collaborativework and I love, I love
collaborating with with uh, withTracy.
She's such a giftedprofessional and helping these
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amazing high level like Olympicathletes, professional athletes,
like in collegiate athletes,high school athletes, like she
works with all levels of theseindividuals and helps them get
their mind around their success.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
It was kind of fun that we were trying to
coordinate with her.
I was like, well, how aboutthis day?
And she's like, oh, I'm goingto be in Paris with my athletes
competing in the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Oh darn.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Okay, she's so interesting, so effective.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And now also we have RJ Halbert, and that's really
exciting to talk about, becauselook what a difference a year
made.
Their book was already abestseller.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It was an enjoyable read.
It was doing as well as itcould.
You got to be featured on theKelly Clarkson show with them.
And now where are they?
What are they doing?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
So the interesting thing about their book if I'm
going to go back just a littlebit their book is mystery.
As Jason says, the J of the RJsays it's mystery, some history
and a little bit of therapy, andI think there is there.
I have not heard a more aptexplanation of of how, of the
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book?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Yeah, the book is titled caretaker right, it's the
good pastor chronicles.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's the first of three and it it's a fantastic
book.
And you're right, they've wonall types of awards for this
book.
It's been a bestseller and thenthe year later calling it an
audio book because it's more ofan audio experience.
And that finally dropped in Mayof 2025.
(20:08):
And it is, I think, yes, forthe character Liana Right, very
touching, one of the maincharacters.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And then you know the actors reading the.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh my gosh, the actors reading the script are
really.
I mean, they're just.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Download the Audible today.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
They're fantastic yeah, go get the Audible.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
We also had Michael Menard the kite that wouldn't
fly.
Yeah, Michael Menard, the kitethat wouldn't fly.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Yeah, michael Menard is such a oh, I love that
character.
He is such a great guy.
Yeah, he invented thedisposable diaper and he is.
He's just a.
Really he's just an ingenuitivelike creative guy who is
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looking to solve problems.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Specifically trauma.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Well, right now he's at the place where he's looking
to solve childhood trauma and Ilove his.
He's like Lee we're going totake on the world and we are
going to solve childhood traumaand he has a foundation that is
called you act united againstchildhood trauma, and the
website for that is you act nowand he is.
(21:35):
He's launching this and he ishe will release a book soon
called greater than gravity howchildhood trauma holds you down.
And when.
When that comes out, we'lldefinitely talk with Michael
again, but, yeah, with MikeMenard, and his current book
that's already out is the Kitethat Couldn't Fly and other
(21:57):
stories.
He was one of 14 kids who grewup in a 900 square foot home and
he talks through all the upsand downs of that.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
It's a great read.
So we touched on hormoneregulation, different modes of
brain scans from the Amen Clinicwhen we brought in yes, Lisa
Marie Shaughnessy and she's awhat a phenomenal person.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Talk to her about her track or adventure through her
own hormone replacement.
We talked with her about herown hormone replacement
adventure and uh all the, allthe ups and downs that that had
and just the stories that shethat she learned about, uh just
(22:39):
other all the people that shemet and learned their stories as
she walked through her own.
Um, I don't want to call itadventure, cause that sounds
positive, but her own journeywith with such a thing and so
walking out of that process forher was really a life changing
piece for her.
And then her job at the AmenClinic and what all the the Amen
(23:03):
Clinic does, which is a reallyfun thing to to walk through.
We also talked to Ministry Safe.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Oh gosh, yes.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
With Greg Love and Kim Norris there, and Greg came
on and talked about Ministry,safe and all the things that
they do to protect children andenvironments, learning
environments, schoolenvironments, church
environments, sportsenvironments just the different
themed places that kids wouldhave uh, our kids or vulnerable,
(23:34):
the vulnerable populations andthe things that that they have
put into place.
When you talk about warriors,those two are warriors for
children and for for vulnerablepopulations.
And so man shout out to them.
Absolutely, thank you for whatyou do.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yeah, and not only do they do it, but they teach
along the way so effectively.
They have Ministry Safe portalwhere you can go and be
certified in Ministry Safetechniques and implement that
into your own organization,which we use here at Restoration
Counseling Right right.
So we make sure everybody'sprotected.
That's right.
A couple times as well, we hadone of our besties at.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Restoration Dr Debra Atkinson Dr.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Debra Atkinson.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yes, love spending time with Dr A.
We talked through her bookMastering your Storm
Perspectives from a Psychiatristand a Coach, and what a wealth
of knowledge.
I mean we talked throughdopamine and its impact on the
brain, the body, the differentthings that dopamine does for us
(24:44):
and not so much for us, but wetalked through just all kinds of
mental wellness concepts.
And so always love talking toDr.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
A oh yes.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Another guest that we had on this past season was Dr
Eric Wood.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Dr Eric Wood yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
He's at TCU.
He's at the TCU CounselingCenter.
So Eric Wood implemented areally unique program at TCU and
he utilized services outside ofTCU some different providers
and we happened to be one ofthem and we were the beta test
(25:22):
for the TCU program that wherewe offered our DBT program on
the tcu campus and the outcomeswere so phenomenal that they
opened it up to other providers.
And the tcu students are reallyum, they really do get to
benefit from some really awesomepsychological mental health
(25:45):
providers on their campus sothey don't have to worry about
leaving campus or going to anunknown space.
They get to do that, they getto utilize that.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
And then, of course, your very most important guest
of the entire season.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yes, probably of all seasons that will be unless.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Unless we can convince the other two Right.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Was our daughter Ella , and that was such a humbling
and wonderful experience.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
She was a good sport.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
She was a great sport , but it was so fun to talk
through, just from apsychological perspective, what
it was like growing up with atherapist as a parent, but also
getting to talk to her about myperspective of being her dad.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, it was called Through my Daughter's Eyes, I
believe.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I think that's right.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And, yeah, we always love everybody's feedback and we
try to implement that as muchas possible, and we've had some
great suggestions that we lookforward to filling in.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And you know this is so fun for me, like I love
getting to talk with differentpeople, get to hear their story,
you know, get to think aboutthings that you know I don't get
the space or time often tothink about, um, to think about
and just to discover new things.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
And so I would say look forward to these seasons
coming, that we're going to keepdiscovering, we're going to
keep asking questions, we'regoing to keep learning.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And I'm excited to be on this adventure with you.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, and you squelched my idea of doing it
like a you know Desperate House,not Desperate Housewives a Real
Housewives episode with thecameras following and the drama.
Yeah, no, we're not doing thatand you squelched the idea of a
British accent.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Authentically us.
Okay, yeah, Well, thanks forlistening for thank you to all
of listeners for listening forthis this past season and we've
had so much fun doing this andour next season.
I look forward to having justas much, if not more, fun
bringing content at no cost toyou.
(28:02):
So thank you for listening.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
If you found value in our discussion and wish to
uncover more about thefascinating world of mental
wellness, don't forget tosubscribe to the podcast.
Stay tuned for our upcomingepisodes, where Dr Long will
continue to delve intoempowering therapies and
strategies for mental wellness.
Your journey to understandingand embracing mental health is
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Until next time, keep exploring, keep growing and remember to
celebrate restored freedom asyou uncover it.
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