BONUS: Teen Wolf via "Back Look Cinema" | S2B1 - Retromade

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Katie (00:00):
Hello.
Hello, this is Katie and welcometo your bonus episode of Retro
Made yours truly guested on apodcast called Back Look Cinema.
A while back, actually more thanonce, but I'm releasing my very first
appearance on this episode becauseit's very similar to the John Hughes
season who has seen the lovely 1985classic Teen Wolf with Michael J.

(00:25):
Fox.
Now granted this was not.
A John Hughes written or directed movie.
It was directed by RodDaniel, but it's very similar.
Additionally, we have been coveringthe 40th anniversary of a ton of
my favorite John Hughes movies.
Let's see, weird Science 40th anniversary.
The Breakfast Club 40th anniversary.

(00:47):
Also the upcoming episode where host Zoefrom Back Look Cinema will be joining me
on the 40th anniversary of the EuropeanVacation National Lampoons that is.
So I wanted you guys to havea little bonus episode, , to
reminisce about the lovely.
Albeit a little offbeat,perhaps Teen Wolf.

(01:09):
I loved it.
And I would also invite you to go checkout Zoe's podcast Back Look Cinema.
It'll be linked in the show notes for you.
I also covered amazing, was it90 91 Universal Soldier with
Jean Claude and Dolf Lundgren.
So go check Zoe out.
And then be on the lookoutfor the upcoming National

(01:29):
Lampoons European vacation.
Okay.

Zo (01:36):
Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3.
You're frustrated.
I know you wanna break something.
I know nothing is going theway that you thought it should.
Believe me.
I know right now you need to take a break.
Breathe in.

(01:58):
Breathe out.
Just tilt.
Just chill for a minute and joinus on Bacl Cinema, the podcast.
I'm your host, Zoe.
That's Z or Zeto.
If you're outside of theUS it's the 119th episode.
Thank you for downloading or streaming.
We really appreciate it.
We watch movies that I love whenI was growing up in the seventies,

(02:19):
eighties, and nineties, and Italk about my favorite parts.
And now share a little bitof trivia along the way.
If you like what you're about tohear, then please tell your family.
Tell your friends andtell all your neighbors.
Tell your teenage werewolfabout our humble little show
back like cinema, the podcast.
And now I have a brand new contestant.

(02:40):
That has entered the chat.
Armed with Enthusiasm with Charm,this new podcaster will impact you
with her incredible show Retro Made.
She's also the co-host of One MoreRound, the Rocky Series Podcast.
Ladies, gentlemen, and genderfluid, may I introduce Katie?

Katie (03:09):
Hello?
Hello.
Hey, how

Zo (03:10):
are you doing today?

Katie (03:11):
I'm doing great.
How are you?
I'm

Zo (03:14):
doing swell.
Uh, swell is my natural state.
That's great.
Well,

Katie (03:19):
thank you for having me.

Zo (03:21):
Thank you for joining this little show.
I really appreciate it.
I've been able to samplesome of your work.
You are fantastic.
You hit all the right nostalgia buttons.
We are in the same club Weare and I'm glad to know you.

Katie (03:37):
Same, same.
I'm excited for our discussion today.

Zo (03:40):
Awesome.
So, uh, I have a few questions prepared.
Now, you, you've heard a couple ofmy shows and, and my audience knows
that I, I'm not wanting to Cronkite,I'm not going to be hitting you
with the hard hitting questions.
Okay, good.
Phew.
Right.
But I'm going, I'm going to do mybest with my, my simple questions.

(04:01):
So my, my first question thatI have for you is you've got.
Two podcast shows, at leasttwo shows that I know of.
So how many more do you intend to do?

Katie (04:10):
Oh, oh goodness.
I, it keeps me pretty busy, I gotta say.
So, you know, Rocky willbe going for a long time.
So we're currently on season,uh, two of, one more round, uh,
where we cover the Rocky movies.
And so it's multiple episodesin that covers a movie.
So we've got, we're gonna go up toRocky six, a k, a Rocky Balboa, and

(04:34):
then after that same group, sameshow, we're gonna cover, uh, famous
boxing movies in a similar way.
But, we'll, so that show willkeep me busy for several years.
And then my new show, retroMade, uh, it's new so I, I don't
plan on starting another show.
I think there are plenty of fun movies,uh, from the eighties and nineties

(04:57):
with tons of pop culture thrown in.
Uh, that will keep mebusy for several years.
So I think I'm gonnajust stick with the two.

Zo (05:04):
Okay, because I was definitely concerned about your work life balance
because me, with this, just this oneshow, it's, it's a lot of work and it's,
I'm starting to learn that I can spreadsome of that work during the week so I
don't have to cram everything on one day.

Katie (05:21):
Yes, it's a lot.
It is a lot.
And, uh, so I don't do theheavy lifting on the Rocky Show.
Uh, I'm a co-host.
There are three of us.
So Ryan is, uh, he does all ofthe heavy lifting, so thankfully,
uh, I don't have to do the editingand, and all of that for that show.
But, but yes, since starting RetroMade, it is a lot of work, but it's fun.

(05:42):
So it's a good hobby to have.

Zo (05:44):
It's definitely something that you have to be passionate about because even
though I enjoy podcasting, it's when Iget to the editing that I start to cringe.
Yeah.
The bad, it's bad enough that I have tolisten to my own voice, uh, which I make
sound as smooth and as nice as possible,but I don't like listening to it.
But yeah, so listening to that foran additional two hours after I've

(06:06):
recorded a show is, uh, it, I don'tlook forward to it, but I do enjoy doing
the work, so, uh, that's why I do it.
Uh, well that's why I engagewith the editing and that's
like the bulk of the work.
And then of course there'sthe promotion and all that.
So,

Katie (06:20):
yep.

Zo (06:21):
Uh, I'm glad you're in this fight and that you're willing
to take on the challenges.

Katie (06:26):
I'm glad to be here as well.
And like I said, it's fun guesting onother shows as well, so I'm very happy to
be here with you today to talk Teen Wall.

Zo (06:34):
Yes.
So my next question, what's one ofyour favorite nostalgia moments?
And I ask this because your,your show is based on nostalgia.
What I like about the show is that notonly do you go into the movies or the
shows that you intend to talk about you,but you do a deep dive with the cultural
moments of when the movie had premiered.

(06:55):
So you talk about like the politics ofthe time, the popular TV shows, the,
the top music kits that were going on.
So that's, that's all great.
Uh, I, I was pleasantly surprised withthe scope of what you had covered.
So what are your favorite,some of your favorite nostalgic
moments from, you know, the past?
The yesteryear, the, the Time's gone by?

Katie (07:16):
Oh my gosh, that's a, actually that is a Walter Cronkite type question.
That's a tough one.
Um, I guess it's, uh, it's hard toput into, into words that one moment.
It's really just the, the experienceand, and I do romanticize the past.
So I, I was born in the eighties,so if that gives any indication, but
that time I just really do feel likebeing a kid in the eighties and early

(07:40):
nineties and then high school in thenineties, um, it's, it's seems like a
simpler time or a, and maybe it's justthat I was a kid, so it's simpler.
So it's hard to say.
I do romanticize the past, but Ijust, there's just nothing like.
Um, you know, the cereal combinedwith the Saturday morning cartoons,

(08:01):
combined with the musty TV at night.
These show sitcoms, I'm a big sitcomperson, so it just is this, this warm,
it's like a warm bath, just this verycomforting feeling, nostalgia and
the eighties especially that it has.
So, I don't know if Icould pick one moment.
It's, it's just being a kid in theeighties, riding your bike around

(08:23):
the neighborhood, coming home,watching these shows, you know,
eating food that wasn't good for me.
I don't care.
I like sugar cereal, you know?
So, um, yeah, it was just,I, I love the idea of it.
It's a comforting feeling.
I don't know if that quiteanswered your question or not.

Zo (08:41):
Yeah.
As a matter of fact, when, when youhad mentioned it, as soon as you
started to talk, I started to thinkabout Saturday morning cartoons.
And I remember like, um, my onlyresponsibilities was going to
school and I barely wanted to dothat, you know, doing homework.
Yeah.
You didn't have like real

Katie (08:56):
responsibilities yet.
Yeah.

Zo (08:58):
Right, right.
And so I grew up in that block of time,so I grew up in, uh, the seventies and
eighties, so that, that block of timewhen you only had a certain amount
of kids programming, so that one waslike, uh, the afternoon after school.
Oh, yeah.
And you would watch, and you would watchcartoons until live action came on.
And then because you didn't wanna doanything else, you would grudgingly

(09:18):
watch some of the live action shows.
Like I would grudgingly watch Mr.
Rogers.
After all, I was like, oh man,there are no more cartoons.
Well, I guess I gotta watch this guy.
Right.

Katie (09:28):
I can't possibly do my homework at this time.
Like, I'm right.
Right.
I've been a procrastinator my entire lifeand if anything, it's getting worse now.
And so, right.
Yeah, I agree.
I'll find any, I'll watch anythingto avoid doing homework or
whatever else I'm supposed to do.

Zo (09:42):
Right.
Absolutely.
I mean, it's one of the reasons why Ican't watch the Grammys today because
the Grammys, or the Oscars, or anyaward show reminds me of the times
when I was growing up where I couldn'tactually watch them because I had
this huge, uh, gigantic load of, um,homework assignments that I had to do.
Like, it seems like whenever these showscome on, every class wanted to do, wanted

(10:04):
you to do an enormous amount of homework.
And I, well, they were

Katie (10:08):
aired on Sunday nights too, right?
So you, you'd have to do your homeworkover the weekend, like on Sunday nights.
So Yeah.
And the shows, those, likeaward shows are on Sundays.

Zo (10:17):
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Just procrastinate until it's too late.
Yep.
And now, and the shows are on andI wanna watch shows, can't watch
shows because I procrastinate untilSunday night to do the homework.
So yeah, same.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And then, uh, Saturday morning cartoon.
So the only time I wanted to wake upearly was on Saturdays or Christmas
Day, whenever that happened to happened.
So indeed, indeed.

(10:41):
Just wake up, just try to catchthe earliest cartoons that came on.
So, um, now, now that we've, uh,we've tickled our nostalgia a
little bit, uh, one last question.
Do you watch remakes?
So I asked this question because I justrecently, uh, saw the trailer where

(11:03):
the remake of white men can't jump andeventually felt a kind of a tre factor.
Yeah.
It was like, Ugh, do theyreally need to remake this?
And I, a lot of people feel that waysabout a lot of shows in movies, but then
I start to think, well, there are a lotof movies that are remakes that I didn't
realize were remakes until I, until itwas, you know, brought to my attention.

(11:24):
So, uh, movies like LittleShopper Horrors or Oceans 11 Cape
Fear, we just did the fugitives.
I, I didn't know like, until, like,I mean, I knew at the time, but like
later at the time when people wouldtalk about the shows at, when, when I
watched them, that they were me remakes.
Mm-hmm.
And, um, so the, I've come to understandthat a remake isn't for the audience, um,

(11:50):
the older audience, it's for the neweraudience that didn't know that these
were ori uh, aren't original properties.
So when on that lens, I, I askyou, do you wa do you like remakes?
Do you watch remakes?
Or are there ones that you avoid?
How do you feel in general?

Katie (12:07):
Really good questions though.
Uh, generally speaking, I,I'm not a fan of remakes.
Especially of, there are just some movies.
I'm like, please don't touch that.
Just please don't touch that.
Like, white Men Can't Jump was so good.
Uh, foot loose.
Like, I didn't watch it.
I didn't watch it.

(12:28):
I'm like, don't touch Footloose.
Or, you know, I'm like, if theyever don't touch Rocky, don't,
don't touch the Breakfast Club.
These are movies.
Just please don't.
But you do bring up a good pointabout similar, like Cape Fear.
I only recently realized thatthat was a remake as well.
So

(12:51):
I guess my feeling on remakes is ifthe original wasn't this beloved film,
then maybe it's okay to remake it.
But if it's a beloved film, I'm,I don't want you to touch it.
That's my feeling of remake.
Right?
Yeah.

Zo (13:07):
Yeah.
I kind of feel the same way.
So, but I also, I'll go ahead.
Oh,

Katie (13:10):
I was just, I just thought of another example.
So, um, my first season of RetroMade is the ultimate Everman,
Kurt Russell and Patrick Swayze.
And so obviously we'regonna be covering Roadhouse,

music (13:22):
right.

Katie (13:22):
Which is so great.
I, I per, I mean, it's not a fantasticfilm, but it's, it's kind of one of those
beloved, like we all love it for a numberof reasons, but they're remaking, they've
remade Roadhouse and that's one exceptionto the rule because Jake Gien Hall.
Uh, I, I'm a big fan of him, and Ithink he will actually do a good job.

(13:44):
So I, I, that's an exceptionto the rule where I'm, uh, I am
curious to see how that turns out.

Zo (13:50):
Right.
Did you, what were you say, well,I don't, I don't care now because
you brought up, uh, that remake.
So I, I need to ask youa different question.
Did you see the, it wasa clip of the movie.
It's not really a clip.
It's more like they're, they're doinglike a, a kind of a fake press conference.
So you see this scene in perspectiveof the, of the reporters on the scene.

(14:15):
So it looks like a real, like whentwo fighters, uh, are doing like a
face-to-face or whatever at a pressconference, they're doing a weigh in.
That's what it's, it's the weigh inand I forgot who their opponent is.
The opponent is, I think it's a real MMAfighter, and it's, uh, Jake Gill Hall, and
he's in character, uh, with a shirt off.
And, uh, you know, there's a littleback and forth, and when I saw that,

(14:37):
I'm like, this looks like a good clip.
This looks like I might get into thismovie, but I also understand that
it's gonna be a complete reimagining.
It's not going to be the first moviebecause in this version, um, the
main character, Jake, that Jake Lenkaplays is, uh, I think he's a fighter.
He is, he's mainly a fighter.
He's not like a, a, a brawler, or,no, he's not a, what you call it.

(15:01):
I don't think that he's a, a.

Katie (15:03):
Like a bouncer by what

Zo (15:04):
did Patrick?
A bouncer, right?
Mm-hmm.
I'm not sure if he's a bouncer.
I'm, I think he's a far a

Katie (15:07):
cooler, I guess.
I don't know if that was athing back then, but that's
technically what his role was.
Yeah.

Zo (15:13):
Yeah.
So I, so I'm not exactly sure what,how, what path he's gonna take or what
the shape the story is gonna take.
But when I saw that clip, I'm like,you know what, Jake looks pretty good.
I think he's gonna rock this role.

Katie (15:26):
He, I, he is good.
I mean, he, he's like legit.
Um, I dunno if you ever saw Southpaw,so he, he can do the action.
No, I didn't do that.
It's good.
I like boxing and boxing movies,but, um, yeah, he, he did a
really good job in that too.
So, yeah, I feel like Jake,LI, I'm, I calmed down after
I learned that it was him.

Zo (15:46):
Right, right, right.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I, yeah, there are definitelysome remakes that can be done.
Right.
And, and then some, some of them aregonna fail, and some of 'em, I just, I
just like, as a guilty pleasure, likeI know that the Robocop remake doesn't
actually work, but I do, like, I do thinkit's better than a lot of the Robocop
sequels that came after the original film.

(16:08):
And I, I didn't ever

Katie (16:09):
see this, the remake.
I didn't see it.
Yeah.

Zo (16:13):
Uh, I think that the reason that it's not as good is because they don't lean
on the satire elements of the original.
Like the original had something tosay about, uh, you know, being human
and, uh, you know, the prospect oflosing your memories and trying to find
yourself again in the midst of all that.
And the new version kind of toucheson it, but it doesn't hit as hard and

(16:35):
you don't feel the satire in that.
But, um, it, it's like, I thinkwhat it was was that they stripped
away the satire and it doesn't,because they stripped away.
The satire doesn't hit as hard.
Yeah.
But other than that, I thoughtit was a pretty fair movie, but
I, I know that a lot of peopledidn't like it, so, I don't know.
Uh, examine at your own peril or

Katie (16:56):
good caution.
Yes.

Zo (16:59):
So, um, thanks for, for this short interview.
Why don't you let the people know aboutwhere they can find retro made, where
they could find you on your socials?
Let the people know and I'll make surethat the details are in the show notes.

Katie (17:14):
Awesome.
Well, thank you.
So Retro Made is on YouTubeunder Retro Made Podcast.
It's also on, uh, the vastmajority of whatever PO app
you use to listen to podcasts.
Just search for retro Made.
Uh, my tagline is your pop culture rewind.
Um, so, and then, uh, I'm on Facebook,so YouTube, Facebook, and your pod.

(17:35):
App.
Those are, that's kind ofwhere you can find retro made.
Uh, it's really fun.
If you like nostalgia, thesemovies with fun pop culture.
If you wanna take a trip downmemory lane with a little time
capsule, uh, check me out there.
And if you like rocky movies, you mightlike, uh, one more Round coverage.
Uh, there's three of us.
I'm a co-host of that showthat's also, uh, on YouTube,

(17:57):
uh, as well as your podcast app.

Zo (18:01):
Awesome.
So when they look for you onTwitter, is it at Retro Made?

Katie (18:07):
I'm not on Twitter.
Oh, you're not on Twitter?
Mm-hmm.
No.
Is it I'm, uh, Facebook?
Yep.
Facebook.
Oh, Facebook, uh, retro Made andthen at Retro Made for, uh, YouTube.

Zo (18:18):
Okay.
So it's YouTube and Facebook.

Katie (18:21):
YouTube, Facebook, and then however you listen to podcasts.
Yep.

Zo (18:23):
Awesome.
Awesome.
We'll, we'll make sure thatwe put that in the show notes.
So yeah.
You might

Katie (18:29):
wanna take this out, but, um, yeah, Twitter's kind of going
down the tubes, so I'm like,
you know what I mean?
Who knows what's going on withthe, with the dude running that
now, so, um Right, right, right.
I'm still, you can feel free toedit that out, but I'm like, eh,
I think I'll skip Twitter for now.
I personally am on it, so I'll Yeah.
Just like me.
Uh, but

Zo (18:49):
yeah.
Right, right.
But, but not the podcast.
Yeah.
There, there are a lot, there are anumber of people that have taken their
shows off of YouTube, but I'm stillkind of hanging, I mean, not YouTube.
Twitter.
Twitter, yeah.
Twitter.
Yeah.
I'm still kind of hanging on withit and mainly because I've found
a, a small community of podcastersand that I hang with and I don't.
That's awesome.
Get as much like, versus my personalpage, I don't get as much as

(19:13):
that negative content on mm-hmm.
The podcast page.
'cause I mainly just interactwith those folks and so that's
what tends to show up on my feed.
And, uh, and it's funhanging out with them.
So as long as I feel as they'reon there, then I will go
ahead and, and stay on there.
Just, you know, for the time being,there's no crime for not being on Twitter.

(19:33):
It's not,

Katie (19:33):
no,

Zo (19:35):
it's not like you're gonna be penalized.
I know.
I'm like, well, I'm

Katie (19:38):
trying to decide like, what's gonna be the replacement of it, you know,
I'm trying, there's a, yeah, so, yeah.
Yeah.

Zo (19:45):
The right now there aren't there, like, there aren't really too many.
Options that do a similarthing that, uh, Twitter does.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I, I'm on Mastodon, but theredoesn't seem to be a lot of, uh,
feedback or connection with Mastodon.
It's like you can post, uh,some people have more success
than others on that platform.

(20:06):
And then for a lot of peopleit's, uh, hard to get into.
It's like you're not, you can'tjust sign up for it like you
do any other social media.
There, there are a couple more Yeah.
Layers that you have to getinto to do Mastodon and that
turns that can turn people off.

Katie (20:21):
Yeah.
I, um, I'm actually not on it, but fromwhat I'm, I hear, I guess the biggest
pro is that it's not algorithmic.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Which is nice.
I think that I, I, I appreciatethat aspect of it, but

Zo (20:34):
So, um, oh, I remember, weneed to play your trailer.

both (20:41):
Oh.

Zo (20:43):
So let's listen to the trailer for retro made.

Katie (21:17):
Calling all nostalgia nerds and retro junkies.
Let's take a trip downmemory lane, shall we?
I'm Katie and this is RetroMade Your Pop Culture Rewind.
Together with my totally awesomeguests, we'll explore the best
of the eighties and nineties.
Ah, the good old daysbefore adulting was a thing.

(21:38):
Think of it as a VHS time capsule.
We dive into iconic movies of thetime, grouped in thematic seasons.
Stay tuned for the season one theme Aswe break down the movie, we also explore
the moments that shaped our childhoods.
You know, the TV shows, music, fashion,cartoons, toys, and other cultural
trends that defined the year in whicheach movie was released from the classic

(22:01):
coming of age Films of John Hughes andmust see Mob movies to the unforgettable
TV shows like The Cosby Show.
Cheers the Golden GirlsFriends and Seinfeld.
We'll discuss why these blasts from thepast continue to resonate with us today.
So wanna take a break from all thecrazy with me every other week?
Let's be BFFs who reminisceabout growing up in the best era.

(22:25):
Where to find me, follow retromade on your podcast app of choice
and subscribe on YouTube so younever miss an installment of
this little cassette roulette.
And remember, be kind, rewind.

Zo (22:43):
And that's it.
That is the trailer for Retro Made.

Katie (22:55):
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.

Zo (22:57):
So now we are entering into the segment known as the opening credits.
And what we want to talk about isa movie that we both just watched
recently, a movie that is nearand dear to both of our hearts.
I sent you the grand list of movies, andfrom that list, you have chosen a movie

(23:21):
for teenagers everywhere, teen Wolf.
So go ahead and let usknow about this movie.

Katie (23:29):
Yes.
Teen Wolf from 1985, Scott Howard is justan average teen, living an average life.
He wants the prettiest girl in schooland the adulation of his peers.
But greatness seems tobe just out of his reach.
Suddenly something changes in his,in his life and everything that
he's ever wanted is in his grasp.
Now, more than ever, his moralsand self-worth will be tested

(23:52):
living life as a teenage werewolf.

Zo (23:55):
Yes.
And that.
Is that, that is the,
it's the reason I say that is becauseit's uh, it's kind of like your
average teen drama and then theydrop into werewolf in that drama.
And now it's, it's a whole new thing.
And I think that is, iswhat I loved about it.

(24:15):
So this movie was released in August 23rd,1985, produced by Atlantic Entertainment
Group and Wolf Kill Production.
It grossed over $30 million in theUS and Canada on a budget between 1.2
and $4 million.
And it had unkind reviews and I provedto one the people who didn't like it.

(24:37):
But I do understand some of the aspectsof why they didn't like it, and I couldn't
find the exact budgets on these movies.
Like some sources say 1.2
million and other sourcessay 4 million, but still the,

both (24:51):
the growth, that's pretty great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The

Zo (24:53):
growth has $30 million.
So it made bank, that's why there'dbeen like, they, first they tried a
sequel and the sequel didn't work.
Then there was a cartoon.
Did you ever see the cartoon?

Katie (25:03):
Oh, I kind of for, no, I didn't.
But I, I just now recalled its existence.

Zo (25:08):
Yes, yes.
I, I, I watched the cartoon and nowthere's a, it interesting because I
asked you earlier about, um, Nosto,well Remakes, uh, and they have mm-hmm.
A very popular Teen Wolfremake that I had not watched.
Oh, yeah.

Katie (25:24):
Yeah.
I haven't seen it either.
I haven't seen it either.
Right.
Like the TV series though, right?
Isn't it a TV series?
TV series is.

Zo (25:30):
It's a teen drama.
And I was like, well, firstof all, I don't need to watch
another, another teen drama.
And the other thing is like, I don't wanta dramatic representation of Teen Wolf.

Katie (25:42):
No.
That's the best, yeah.
The ridiculous natureof it is the best part.

Zo (25:46):
But I'm sure it's, it's a fantastic show.
I, I'm confident that it is.
It's in like, its fourth orfifth season, and then they
made a movie based on TV series.
And so I, I'm sure it's great, but Ifeel like it's not for me, I, I might be
tempted to check out like the, uh, pilotepisode just to see what all the Hub Up
is about and to see how it's related tothe original movie, just out of curiosity.

(26:11):
But it's like, I have enoughmovies and TV shows on my plate so
I don't have to delve into that.
Oh,

Katie (26:16):
right.
There's so much.
Yeah.
I kind of wonder if it's more along thelines of like the Twilight series, like
kind of capitalizing on the popularityof that genre and you know, with it
being more dramatic, I have a feelingit has very little to do with the movie,
like that there's hardly anything.
Right, right.
Innocence of the movie.
Yeah.

Zo (26:37):
Yeah.
I think that they have someof the same characters.
They changed some of the names, like Ithink, uh, Scott Howard in the show is,
uh, it's called Scott McCall, so theykind of changed some of the last names.
Okay.
But the characters all general, likethere's a styles and, and I guess, oh,

Katie (26:54):
okay.
Well, I'm, I could be very wrong then.
That's cool.
I'm, that's, I'm glad to hear that.
Yeah.

Zo (26:59):
Right, right.
But I, I think it's a closelymore related to the Archie.
No, it's called Riverdale.
So Riverdale is like the Archie you make.
Yeah.
And it's all super teen dramatic.
So I think it's gonna be like that.

Katie (27:12):
Yeah.
I forgot about that too.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
I only really like teen movies fromlike the eighties and the nineties.

Zo (27:21):
I only like the ones when I was a teenager.
Yeah.
I don't care about, I don'tcare about the new teen stuff.
Now it's like, who cares about

Katie (27:28):
these kids now?
Yeah.
Right,

Zo (27:29):
right.
It's, it's for the kids.
It's, to me, I feel like, uh, I'veoutgrown this, this teen dramas.
Like, I don't feel that way anymore.
I don't wanna, I don't wannarelive the teen years in that way.
Mm-hmm.
If I wanna relive my teen years, I'llwatch something like, uh, what's that?
What was that movie called?
I'm trying to remember.
It was a movie that we just,just did a couple weeks ago.

(27:49):
It has something to do with airplanes.
Um, I keep wanting to sayAirwolf, but it wasn't Airwolf.
Oh.
Um, uh, time?
No, not time.
It, it, it had a teenager and heflew an airplane with Louis Gossa Jr.
But I can't remember.
Oh.
But if I, if I want to benostalgic, I'll ask that.
Yeah, watch that.

Katie (28:07):
Yeah,
indeed.

Zo (28:10):
So moving right along, because if, if I dwell on it, I'm gonna spend
24 hours trying to think of that.

both (28:16):
Yeah.
I'm,

Katie (28:17):
yep.

Zo (28:19):
I'll think of it before the end of the show.
So why don't you, uh, start us off, letus know who was starring in Teen Wolf.

Katie (28:25):
We have Michael J.
Fox as Scott Howard, and you know, heneeds no introduction, but you know,
from the Back to the Future fame, thefrighteners the Secret of My Success,
which was also a really fun movie.

Zo (28:37):
Right.
So, strangely enough, back to TheFuture Series is the only other
series I've seen with Michael J.
Fox, others and Teen Wolf.
But I used to be a hugefan of Family Ties.
Oh yeah.
The shows that, uh, where he gota stardom from and that he filmed
at the same time as he filmedBack to the Future and Teen Wolf.
Mm-hmm.
He made Teen Wolf back to the Future.

(28:59):
Around the same time, the only reasonthat he was able to make Teen Wolf is
because the show had to go on breakbecause his co-star was pregnant.
We'll get into that in the trivia,but, um, and when he made back to the
Future, he actually actually workedthe show and the movie, it was only
because he was extremely young andapparently needed very little sleep

(29:21):
that he was able to do both movies.

Katie (29:23):
That's insane.
I, I can't buy energy.
I wish I could buy energybasically, you know?

Zo (29:30):
Right.
Absolutely.
So, up next is James Hampton.
He played Harold Howard.
He's been in Slingbladethe Longest Yard from 1974.
Another movie that had been remadethe China Syndrome from 1979.
So, uh, that was, that wasa, that was a cool role.
That was a cool, well, as far as JamesHampton in this movie, he had one of

(29:56):
the best parts of this movie, and we'llget into that in our favorite parts.
So, who's next?

Katie (30:01):
We have Susan or Ct as Lisa, more known in the movie as Boof.
I didn't even know her actual name.
In the movie was Lisa.
She's known as Boof Scott's best friend.
Uh, and apparently herlast name is Marconi.
She is, I hadn't seen her in anythingelse, but, uh, she's apparently
from the Walking Dead zapped, doingTime on Planet Earth is where you

(30:23):
might see Susan in something else.

Zo (30:25):
Right.
And when she was in The WalkingDead, it's not the TV series,
it's, it's a movie called TheWalking Dead that came out in 1995.

Katie (30:34):
Oh, yes.
I'm glad you pointed that out, becauseI just skipped right past that.
My brain didn't, didn't notice that.

Zo (30:40):
Right.
I, I want our audience to know thatit wa is not the TV show, so, you
know, you're not gonna find her there.
And the other, thank you for pointing

both (30:49):
that out.

Zo (30:49):
Right.
And other movies that she's beenin, I'm not that familiar with.
She didn't have a huge filmcareer, but I think she's like
behind the scenes, but Okay.
As far as a, a screen actor, she'snot really doing that that much.
So up next is.
Jerry Levine, he played Styles.
Oh, see, I told you I was gonnaremember the movie that I, before the

(31:10):
end of the podcast, 'cause I wroteit down and he was an Iron Eagle.
Iron Eagle was the movie.

Katie (31:14):
I've never seen Iron Eagle.
It's just something I need to see.
Oh my God, you have gotta

Zo (31:18):
watch Iron Eagle.
I'll

Katie (31:19):
do it and then I will let you know what I think of it.

Zo (31:22):
All right.
Because Iron Eagle,stars Lloyd Gossett Jr.
And you just gotta watch it for him.
Okay.
And I watched that movie like probablya dozen times when I was growing up.
Just couldn't.
And then apparently there's this, uh,the main song from the movie is by Queen.
And I didn't know that becauseit didn't sound like Queen to me.

both (31:42):
Oh, okay.
But

Zo (31:42):
there's a, a friend of mine from another show and he loves that song.
So, um, yeah, just check it out for that.
So he was, um, Dar Levine was alsoin, born in the 4th of July in Canine.
And uh, nowadays he'smore behind the scenes.
He's more of a director and producer.

Katie (32:00):
Great.
Role styles.
Such a good one.
Yes.
Yeah,

Zo (32:03):
absolutely.

Katie (32:04):
Um, and then, uh, another friend of Scott's, uh,
Lewis is played by Matt Adler.
Uh, and you will see him or he willlook familiar from Flight of the
Navigator the day after tomorrow.
And Chronicle.

Zo (32:19):
Yes.
And I've seen all of these movies, so,and, but I don't remember people, so,

Katie (32:27):
flight of the Navigator.
I mean, I feel like I've, I thinkthat's when we had taped, like from
tv, but I haven't, I think I've seenthat maybe it's probably been like
35 years since I've seen that movie.

Zo (32:38):
Right, right.
Oh, also, I don't think I'veseen this version of it.
I think the version I seen was the one,the, the remade version with the, oh,
I can't remember his name, but I th Ithink, I think I saw the newer version
and not the earlier version, but I,or am I thinking of the correct movie?
I might be thinking of thecompletely different movie.

Katie (32:58):
I'm not sure.
There's so many.
I'm thinking

Zo (33:01):
now, now that I think about it, I'm thinking about a, a movie that had
been, uh, a plane had crashed, and sothe survivors have to figure out how
to, how to get themselves rescued.
I don't think that's what Flightof The Navigator is about.

Katie (33:13):
I don't think so.
I think you're thinkingof a different movie.

Zo (33:16):
Yeah, I'm thinking of a different movie.
I think it's Flighted a Phoenixor something like that, anyway.

both (33:20):
Oh, okay.

Zo (33:21):
Yeah.
Dennis Quaid, I think was in that movie.

both (33:25):
Okay.

Zo (33:26):
I don't, I think I know what you're

both (33:27):
talking about.

Zo (33:29):
Yeah.
I'm, I'm all discombobulated now.
So, moving right along.
Uh, Lori Griffin played Pamela Wells.
She was, uh, also in cheerleadingcamp and drug runners.
She like, uh, some other actors, not awhole bunch of stuff in her filmography,
but she played Pamela Wells very well.

Katie (33:48):
She Did she?
Yes.
Uh, I'm trying to decide if I, however,I actually didn't think she was that
pretty, like, um, is that mean of me tosay she's supposed to be No, it's not.
Now she's not mean, supposed to belike, and she has like pretty long
blonde hair and everything, butshe's supposed to be like the most

(34:08):
popular girl in school and Right.

Zo (34:10):
Super pretty.

Katie (34:11):
But I actually think Booth was prettier.
But anyway,

Zo (34:15):
I, I don't, I, I wouldn't say that Booth was prettier, but I don't,
I thought they were the same to me.
Mm-hmm.
So I think it was just that ScottHoward just had a thing for blondes.

both (34:25):
Yeah.
And

Zo (34:25):
I think that was all it was, because the only thing that Pamela Wells had
going for her was that she had blonde hair

Katie (34:32):
and it was pretty, she did a pretty hair.
She had like long Right.
Pretty blonde hair, but yeah.

Zo (34:39):
Right, right.

Katie (34:40):
Um, next we have James Macro who played Vice principal.
Oh, he was the vice principal.
I thought he was the principal.
At any rate, rusty Thorn.
Uh, great character.
Great character.
And he will, he was also in, uh,gremlins, the Howling Annie Hall.
Uh, yeah.

(35:02):
Yeah.

Zo (35:03):
So, yeah, I, I was with you.
Um, I think it was only like halfwaythrough the movie that he was at, he
identified himself as the vice principal.
I missed that.
Yeah.
'cause it was kind of weirdthat the, I was like, why is
the principal hounding this kid?
But they explained it likelater on in the movie, and that
was, and I was pretty cool.

both (35:21):
Yeah.

Zo (35:22):
But yeah, later on he was, uh, they was like the, he was the vice principal.
I was like, why is thevice principal so ornery?
Yeah.
I was like, I see nothing else to do.

Katie (35:33):
He, he did play a good role and it's, um, it's kind of one of those tropes
in, in these eighties movies, there alwayshas to be like the big bad principle guy.

Zo (35:42):
Yes.
In all these movies.
As a matter of fact, uh, almost everymovie, they had a big bad principle.
So it was him, it was, uh, it wasanother, um, back to the Future,
you had the, the mean principle.
Was it, was that theprincipal Breakfast Breakfast

Katie (35:57):
club?
There wa there was the BreakfastClub Principle, um, right.
Um, Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
That's probably one ofthe most famous, like,

Zo (36:05):
right, right, right, right.
Yeah, that principle.
And then it was, uh,the real life principle.
Um.
Oh God, what is the name of this movie?
I'm, I'm forgetting all of the movies.
It's a movie that I covered on the show.
So it was based on a true event.

both (36:19):
Oh.
And, uh,

Zo (36:20):
it was, it was about the East Side High School.
It had, let's see if Ican remember his name.
Nope.
Can't remember his name right now.
So, so anyway, it is about, uh, atrue life, about a, a high school
in, uh, uh, Eastern United States.
I think it was New Jerseyor something like that.
And it was a, uh, a, a principalthat basically had reformed his

(36:40):
high school, but he was Polish.
Oh.
And he was, uh, was

Katie (36:43):
it, was it, uh, Morgan Freeman that played him?
Yeah.

Zo (36:46):
Morgan Freeman.
Oh, yeah.

Katie (36:47):
Uh, lean on Me.

Zo (36:49):
Yes, lean on me.
Thank you for remembering that for me.
Such

Katie (36:52):
a good movie.
Oh, and Morgan Freeman.
Oh my gosh.
Right.
Yeah, that's probably one of his earlier.
He wasn't super famousyet, maybe, but yeah.

Zo (37:00):
Great movie.
Well, he was famous enough to get astarring role and, uh, that, that,
that was a, a fabulous movie, but itwas definitely earlier in his career.

music (37:08):
Mm-hmm.

Zo (37:09):
So, moving right along, we have Mark Arnold.
He played Mick McAllister.
He was in Blade Runner 2049.
Angel has Fallen andFlorence Foster Jenkins.
And, uh, yeah, it soundslike a great filmography.

Katie (37:26):
He was a great character.
Um, but one of the funniest things,um, and I remember even as a kid
watching this, but when I rewatchedit last night, I'm like, dude is
like 35 play a high school kid.
I mean, it's just like, that's justa thing that happens also Yeah.
At this time, which is hilarious.

Zo (37:44):
More, more trivia on, on theages of these so-called kids.

Katie (37:50):
Oh God.
Yeah.
But he's like a grown ass man, you know?
Yeah,

Zo (37:56):
absolutely.
And here's another thing that's kindof funny is that, um, it always seems
to happen as well, like when you seea movie that actually has teenagers,
it's, it's almost like a, a sea change.
It's like, oh, that's, that's whatkids are supposed to look like.
And when we were younger, we took them askids as like, they look like kids to us.
So that's kind of weird too.

(38:16):
Yeah, yeah.
Also, Michael, Jake Fox justlooked like a kid for a long time.

Katie (38:23):
He, yes.
And he's really small in stature too, butyeah, he has that like ever youthful face.
Yeah.

Zo (38:29):
Yeah.
Absolutely.

Katie (38:30):
Um, so the coach, one of my favorite characters in this movie,
uh, coach Fin Stock, is played by JayTarsus and he was in Open All Night,
the days and nights of Molly dod.
Um, and then he was thecreator of Buffalo Bill.
Is that, did I get that right?

Zo (38:50):
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
So he actually created bothof those shows and Oh, okay.
All of these shows.
So there's a show called Open All Nightand a show called The Days and Nights
of Molly dod, and he's mainly a writer.
So he created these shows and hecreated a show called Buffalo Bill.
And if he's not creating theseshows, then he's writing on shows.
So if you look at his IMDV,it's mostly his writing credits.

(39:13):
Okay, cool.
All of that, that is, uh, put forward.
And he is written a, I believe he'swritten a, a few movies or written
on a few movies that you mightbe familiar with, but because I
wanted to focus on his, his actingcredits, I, I just put that there.
But yeah, he's, he wasso funny in this movie.
Right.
So one of the

Katie (39:31):
highlights for me.
Yeah.
Coach.
I, he just doesn't give a FI don'tknow if we can curse on here,
but Yeah, he just, it's awesome.

Zo (39:42):
Yeah, we, we can curse in the podcast, so if you have to let
your freak flag fly, I know that.
I'll try not to,

Katie (39:49):
but I, I do.
Sometimes it just,

Zo (39:52):
I don't, I don't do a lot of, uh, profanity on the show,
but I will when it's appropriate.

Katie (39:57):
Okay.

Zo (39:58):
So, uh,

Katie (40:00):
that's fair.
Um, so do we wanna talkabout the director now?

Zo (40:06):
Yes, go ahead.

Katie (40:07):
We, it's Rod Daniel, which didn't sound familiar to me, but he also directed
Beethoven's second canine and the super.
I don't know what the super is, but,so he ha he's kind of got a little,
uh, niche going on there, it seems.
Right.

Zo (40:24):
So I recognize Beethoven second.
I don't know if he did the first one.
I'm familiar with Canine.
I may have watched it, but I'm not sure.
I know that there werelike two cop dog movies.
So there was canine and there wasTurner and Hooch, and there was
probably a couple of other ones.

Katie (40:38):
Oh, turn Hooch was great.
I loved that.
Also, I really like the Dog Day Bordeaux.
I like a big dog, so.

Zo (40:44):
So yeah, I get he, I guesshe has a thing of dogs.
Um, I think the Supers with Danny DeVito.
I can't remember.
Oh, oh, well that might be good.
I might be wrong.

both (40:54):
Okay.
Yeah,

Zo (40:55):
so I'm letting the audience know right now.
Sometimes I'll put a, like a correctionon Facebook, or, no, not Facebook.
I'll put it on Twitter, becauseI'm, I'm rarely on Facebook for some
reason, but I guess because it'slike, it's, it's just too many social
media, um, apps to keep up with.
It's so, it's like, yeah, but you gotta

Katie (41:14):
pick and choose.
I'm fully with you.
You, it's like I don't have theenergy for one, let alone four.
Yeah.
Right.

Zo (41:20):
Absolutely.
So I, yeah.
So sometimes I have to do that,but, uh, I'm, I think that
it's one with Danny DeVito.

Katie (41:29):
I love Danny DeVito, so I might have to that out.

Zo (41:31):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this movie was written by Jeff Lowe.
I think it's Loeb or Lo, I'm notsure if he pronounced the b and i I
should know because he is a famouscomic book writer and he's written
a bunch of, uh, comic related TVshows and movies and animated series.
He's a big deal in the comic book space.

both (41:54):
Oh.
And

Zo (41:55):
also his writing partner, Matthew Weisman.
So he takes on Weisman as apartner whenever they do film.
So they've done, uh, commandoand Burglar together.
Cool.
But he's mostly known forlike his animated stuff.

Katie (42:11):
I sadly, I'm not, I'm not a comic book person, so I'm unfamiliar.
But, um, but that's cool.
Commando have definitely seen that.

Zo (42:19):
Yes, yes, yes.
Uh, there was a, there was a podcast,I was listen, listening to the other
day and they were talking abouttheir favorite movie deaths and they
mentioned Commando and I think theymentioned this particular death.
But it's definitely myfavorite death in Commando.

(42:40):
It's the, the memory that I carrywith me throughout my entire life.
So this is, oh wow.
First lemme allow you to guesswhich death I'm referring to.

Katie (42:50):
I don't know.

Zo (42:51):
Okay.
So there was a, oh, a guy named,

Katie (42:55):
oh, I thought you were talking about from a different movie.
Not Amanda.
Amanda.
No, nevermind.
Okay, go on.

Zo (43:01):
So there is a, a, a hood named.
Sully.
So Sully was like joking about, theybasically, they're kidnapping Arnold
Schwarzenegger commando and they're gonnatake him to the big boss or whatever.
And then commando says, haha Sully, you're so funny.
That's why I'm going to kill you last.
Right.
So, and then they go onand then Commandos, they

(43:22):
were to escape or whatever.
And remember they havehis daughter kidnapped.
Yeah.
And he's trying to figureout where his daughter is.
So it comes to pass that commander holdsSully over a cliff by his leg with one
arm and is, you know, shaking him downfor information where his daughter is.
And then, you know, Sully givesup everything, you know, his knees
all frightened of course, becausehe is hanging over a precipice.

(43:44):
You know when, when Commander letsgo, he is, Sully is gonna die.
So Commando asks you, Sully you rememberwhen I told you I would kill you last?
Yeah.
You had Matrix.
Yeah, you did.

Katie (43:57):
I lied.
And he let go.
And
I actually don't remember that.
I, I, it's been a very long timesince I've seen that, but that does
sound like a great death scene.
And I can just picture Arnold like it's nobig thing for him just to hold a grown up.

Zo (44:12):
Yeah.
And then to put the cherry on thecake, he gets back to the car and his
co-star Ray Don Chong is in the carand she asks What happened to Sully?
And Arnold says, I let him go.
Just,

Katie (44:28):
I like it.
I like it.
I actually, that's a good question.
I haven't really put much thoughtinto the best, like death scenes.

Zo (44:36):
Yeah, yeah.
That, that was a, a particularly goodepisode of that particular podcast.
I like it.
If I can, uh, I guess, uh, I'lllook it up and I'll send you what
I'm, the podcast I'm talking about.
Okay, cool.
Uh, offline.
So anyways, uh, why don't you let usknow about the music on this show?
The is great.
Oh, wait, hold on.
Is great on this, on this movie.

Katie (44:55):
I really, I I thought that the music was very effective.
It, it did its job.
Well, it was by Miles Goodman,who, you know, a little,
little movie called La Bamba.
He also did, uh, what about Bob LittleShop of Horrors Blank Man And The Squeeze.
So he has like a legit.
Uh, resume here, the MilesGoodman, and it shows.

(45:19):
I thought the music was great.
Yes,

Zo (45:20):
yes.
What I liked about the music that he didfor the movie, that even though it was
a comedy, he kind of leaned on the, thetropes of the music used in horror movies,
and then he kind of, and then yes, itincluded the pop music also in this movie.
So it, it, it worked out really well.
And, uh, when you look at the,the movies that he's worked on,

(45:41):
you're, you're absolutely right.
It's, I feel like he's a guywho knows what he's doing.
He's exceptional at his craft.

Katie (45:49):
Indeed, indeed.

Zo (45:52):
So, um, that's it for the opening credits.
And if you're enjoying the show, rememberthat you can get t-shirts, hoodies,
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And, uh, I know what you's thinking.
Yeah.
And people are thinking, ohyeah, you, you don't, you haven't

(46:13):
put up a new design in a while.
And to that, I say,you're absolutely right.
I'm going to get righton it after Memorial Day.
I say that every episodeor every other episode.

Katie (46:28):
I love it.
It's, there's so much life.
It's so, it's hard to keep up, man.

Zo (46:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Relax folks.
Uh, a single uh, worker on this podcast.
I'm the main guy, so,uh, I'm, I'm doing a lot.
I'm doing the, I'm doing the work.
I'm getting, I'm getting around to it.
Uh, I promise.
Sort of anyways.

Katie (46:51):
Oh dear.
Uh, well, I, I'm, I'll have tocheck it out and I'm, I will hold
you to putting a new design up,

Zo (46:57):
soonish.
Oh, thank you.
Thank, thank you.
I, I'll, I'll need, now I havea reason to be accountable.

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Hopefully I can press the right button.
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Maybe it's this button.
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both (48:45):
actually.
Yeah.

Zo (48:47):
Some exotic ingredients that go into New Cola.

Katie (48:53):
I love it.
So I like the accent on that guy too.
Like a very specificplace in England, maybe.
I don't know.
Yeah, maybe.

Zo (49:01):
I, I looked at a lot of Dr.
Who back when I was growing up,so that's my best English accent.

Katie (49:09):
I like it.
I like it.
That's pretty good actually.
Um, I feel like I've seen moviesof like a specific town or region.
Yeah, I like it.
Nice.
Nicely done.

Zo (49:19):
Right.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
So we're at the opening, ohno, not the opening credits.
We're at our favorite parts.
We're gonna talk about our favorite parts.
I've only been doing this forthis podcast for a little while.
You would think that Iknow what my segments are.
Yeah.
Over a

Katie (49:35):
hundred, right?
You're over a hundredepisodes, is that right?
Yeah, over a

Zo (49:38):
hundred episodes.
This is a hundred 19th episode.
Awesome.
And, and, um, what you call it,the, I have the segment written
right in front of me in big blueletters and yet I'll mess it up.
So anyways, we are at our favorite parts.
Katie, why don't you do us the honorof letting us know what one of your
favorite parts of Teen Wolf is?

Katie (49:57):
It's hard to select like a favorite part, but I gotta
say rewatching it, which we're

Zo (50:01):
doing multiple favorite parts.
Okay.

Katie (50:03):
Okay.
Good.
Uh, well, one, um, is the party andstyles acting as like the Mc, like the
party games, you know, like, uh, it justmade Teenage life high school in the
eighties look like the raddest time ever.
I loved the party scene.
That was one of my favorite parts.

(50:23):
Right?

Zo (50:25):
Yes.
I rarely do I go to aparty that is like that.
I don't, it's like a staple of like teendramas to have such a scene and I've
rarely been to like a party like that.
Uh, and then if I do go to a partylike that, I'm the wall flower.
I'm not,

Katie (50:41):
it.
Well, I actually thought itlooked somewhat realistic.
Like I think they did a good job of justlike the pe how the people were acting,
how crowded it was, everybody, you know?
Um Right, right, right.
But you know, the thing thatwouldn't go today is like
the forced sexual situations.
Like the games were verylike Right, right, right.
Forced, forced sexual things, which Idon't think that would be in a movie

(51:04):
now, but it seemed to be some enough.
Yeah, it wouldn't

Zo (51:06):
be right.
It wouldn't be in a movie now, but, uh, Ithink that those were the type of things
that were happening back then, right?
Yes.
So, uh, and it's kind of like a, anadvanced version of Spin the Bottle.

Katie (51:20):
Yeah, exactly.
Which I hear very

Zo (51:22):
popular back in the day.
Back

Katie (51:23):
like, yeah.
I mm-hmm.
Uh, also the, uh, tangentiallyrelated to the party is them trying
to get beer, like pe underage kidstrying to get beer for the party.
I thought that was fun too.

Zo (51:36):
Yes.
That, that was so cool that that's sucha also another nice, a well done trope
from their perspective, especiallywhen they kind of flipped it with,
uh, when Marty went to get the wolf.
And that's also one of my favoriteparts to segue into that with, um, okay.
Because I so remember that that'sone of the, the most impactful

(51:56):
moments for me from this movie.
So it's one of, uh, when he's goinginto, like, when he's talking to
Styles Style says, why don't youtake this whatchamacallit, this fake
gun, and try to pretend like you'regonna rob the store of its beer and
then pay for it so it's not stealing.
And, and then, uh, you know, um, Michaelj Fox's character's like, you know,

(52:20):
I'm just gonna go and ask him for beer.
Right?
He's, he's just gonna, it isvery naive to think that he
could just ask to do for beer.
And the funny thing isabout like, um, Michael J.
Fox is in his twenties, so he, he'sactually old enough, but because of
the way carding works, just becauseyou, even if you look like you're old
enough, you still have to be carded.

(52:41):
So he still asked to present acard, so it doesn't matter what
he looks like, but he doesn't be,

Katie (52:45):
like, as to your point earlier, Michael J.
Fox really could passas a high school kid,

music (52:49):
right?
So he looked, he definitely could, styles

Katie (52:51):
was probably like late twenties or something.
So like styles, if anything couldpossibly, 'cause I don't know how.
So this little liquor store owner wasvery strict about carding, but I don't
know if that was really, I don't know.
I can, in 1985, I don't know howstrict a lot of places were, but,
but yeah, the cherry on top was, hescares, he turns sort of wolf like

(53:14):
with his eyes turning red, right?
And scares the shit outof the shop owner, right?
He's like, okay, here you go.

Zo (53:20):
What I really liked.
What I really liked about it isthat even at the very beginning
of the movie, they're, they'reshowing, he's showing signs of,
uh, I meant to look up this word.
Like, like camp.
Like Camp Ropy.
Nope, that's not how you say it.
He's showing, oh, he's showing signsof werewolf ness, long hair on his, his

Katie (53:40):
chest and stuff like that.
Yeah, the, the

Zo (53:42):
hair on his chest, but not, and he's, uh, he's growling, uh, in a, you know,
it just kind of comes out out of nowhere.
It's, it's almost like a,a weird form of puberty.
So he goes into the liquor storeand, um, and then his eyes start to
glow, and then you hear his growland he says, I want a gig of beer.

(54:04):
And then the guy gets scared andgives some beer, and then he.
Then he picks up this like bag of Skittlesor whatever it is, and he says, oh

Katie (54:11):
yeah, some candy or donuts or something snowballs.

Zo (54:14):
Right, right.
And these in his regular voice trying tobe the same amount of threatening, right?

Katie (54:21):
Yes.
And, and then the, we cut to styles inhis convertible car with the passenger as
the keg of like, the keg of beer is justlike out, and then they show up to the
party 'cause they think they really needthis keg of beer for the party, or there's
not gonna be any fun times at the party.
And then there's like a whole stack,

Zo (54:38):
right.
Ke Right, right.
That was a grace aversion becausestyles really thought he, that he
was doing a dude, like he was, hewas the main guy bringing the keg.
And it's like the partydoesn't happen without him.
Mm-hmm.
And as it turns out, he'sjust a cog in the machine.
Indeed.
He's just one.
He's not that special.

(55:01):
I also like the, the opening credit.
So, um, there was, it wasleaning on the will war drama.
Like if you didn't see any of thetrailers going into this movie,
you thought you was going to watchlike a legitimate horror movie.
Like it started, it startsdark, uh, starts off dark.
It has like a, a black backgroundwith white texts, like as you're

(55:21):
going through the credits.
And then the first scene islike the glowing light and
everything else is kind of blurry.
I was like, oh, that's, that,that's pretty good opening.
And, and then you see Marty's face andthen, and then you realize it's, it's not.
Which it's not gonna be a, a serioushorror movie, you know, after,
it's like you think that maybe he'sconfronting something, but he's

(55:42):
just playing a game of basketball.

Katie (55:45):
That's true.
That that is a good opening.
Um, the basketball, oh my God, I justfound it on that line of thinking.
I found the basketball hilarious.
So they're, the team is super bad.
Like Michael J.
Fox as a bas like if he's on thebasketball team, and then Chubbs like,
uh, who also is like a grown ass manplaying a high school kid, but just this,

(56:08):
he's like eating while they're playing.
The coach is trying to forfeit.
He doesn't, it's hilarious.
I just found it hilarious.
I liked Right, right, right.

Zo (56:16):
It's like the coaches, Jay Tarsus, uh, playing coach Flock is awesome Views.
He like, why are we doing this?
Why are we playing this anyway?
Why, why don't we just forfeit we,it's already a for con conclusion.
It's like they were losing, it was like27 to seven or something like that.
It was

Katie (56:31):
like, and then the other coach is like, no, we're not forfeiting.
My guys have to get their records.
You know the score.
Who was like,

Zo (56:38):
yeah, like, come on coach.
It's like, you know,this isn't a real game.
What are you doing?

Katie (56:44):
Oh, the basketball was funny.
Yeah.
And Mick, who plays on the otherteam, like, again, like the, they
do even actually kind of addressthe fact that he's older by saying,
um, he's like 20 in the movie.
They say he's, uh, so like 20because he had to take a timeout
to go to prison or something.
Oh, I, I, I missed that part.

(57:05):
Um, but the basketball, thecoach, the coach is one of my
favorite parts as his style.
So those two characters, the coach, he,he's just, he's eating, he, the way he
smacks his gum, the way that, um, Marty,not Marty, um, Scotty comes to him with a

(57:25):
real problem and he's just not, not tryingto be helpful at all with his stories.
And then they do end up getting tothe championship at the end because
spoiler alert, uh, the Wolf is awesomeat things and, right, right, right.
But then he's, uh, he says atsome point the coach is like,

(57:47):
it's not how you play the game.
It's whether you win or lose.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I quite enjoyed the coach andthen Styles and his style, like
his outfits were great and Right.
Just the character, those twocharacters were a high point for.

Zo (58:03):
I definitely want to talk about styles as outfits later on.
Uh, uh, they, they were hilarious.
And then, uh, as far as the coach goes,uh, I liked how like the first meeting
between Marty and the coach is like,'cause he, Marty wants to tell the coach,
uh, that he wants to quit the team.
And because Marty, yeah, well it'salready a bad team, but Marty is one

(58:25):
of the best players on the team team.
He's a first stringer, but he's likealso one of the shortest members.
So he's really goodand he is really short.
And I really like how the, uh,Fox basically plays against type,
like in family ties is like, younever mistake him for an athlete.
He's really good point business minded.
He's a straight A student.
And in this movie he'skind of the opposite.

(58:48):
Like he's still a good student,but at the same time he's athletic.
And, uh, he is like, he wants tobe, he wants to be like Michael,
Michael p Keaton in Family Ties,
but he's not.
But it was, uh, so I love theway that that part was played.

(59:08):
But um, so in the first meeting,the coach is like, uh, yeah, come on
in my me CASA's two Casa, just comeon in, tell me all your problems.
And then as soon as Scotty startsto saying things like, you know, you
know, I'm kind of a busy man, I don'tknow if I could, you know, talk to
you about all of this stuff, you know?

Katie (59:26):
Yeah.
He's, he ha he has zero.
Fs to give, but he's just, so, the waythe coach plays it is brilliant too.
He's, it's just, he's very cash.
Um, and he, you know, he's, he saysall the words like, in the wrong way.
Uh, yeah.
I don't know.
It's a great, the coach is great.

Zo (59:46):
Yeah.
His philosophy is, is totally,uh, it's totally out there.
So what's one of your other favoriteparts that you can think of?

Katie (59:55):
Yeah, I do really kind of, um, I guess iconic for the movie is the, the
van Surfing with the Beach Boys song.
Great.
Right.
So fun.
What did you think about that?
I think they called

Zo (01:00:08):
it the Bookmobile

Katie (01:00:10):
Later He Styles later gets a different van.
'cause originally they're onlike the hardware store van.
Right,

Zo (01:00:16):
right, right, right.
The

Katie (01:00:17):
Howards have a, a,

Zo (01:00:19):
a work van.

Katie (01:00:20):
Yeah.
Um, the dad owns a hardware store.
Yeah.
So Right, right.
But then later in the movie Stylestrades his, whatever his convertible car
is for this Wolf mobile van and Right.
There's a few different, um, surfingon the top of a van scene, which
I didn't know was a thing, but Ithought that was the coolest thing
ever when I was a kid watching this.

Zo (01:00:42):
Yeah.
So in the first scene, it's,uh, styles is doing it.
Mm-hmm.
And it's one of the funny parts islike when um, you have Scotty driving
the van, Scott's on top of the van,you're like doing a surfing thing.
And then.
While Scotty is driving, he noticesthat his ears are going really sharp.
Like he's getting pointy earsand he's, what's going on?

(01:01:05):
He's trying to drive to figure outwhere these pointy ears are coming from.
And he's jerking a van around, uh,around giving styles a hard time
staying on the top of the van.
Yeah.

Katie (01:01:15):
Good times.
So that was really

Zo (01:01:16):
funny.

Katie (01:01:18):
Um, what about, what do you have, did we not cover any of the
other, uh, some of your favorite,like do you have any other high points

Zo (01:01:24):
for you?
Well, let's, let's talk aboutthe best moment in the movie,
so at least was for me.

both (01:01:31):
Okay.

Zo (01:01:32):
So this is when, um, it's a full moon and Scotty's fully
transforming to werewolf.
If he goes into the bathroom, helocks himself into the bathroom
and he's trying to stop thechange, but it is not stopping.
And it's like he's got theseweird fingernails, these hairs
growing all over the place.
His ears are elongated.
His, his whole facial structures changingand he's screaming and then his dad comes

(01:01:56):
and he is like, Scott, whatever you'regoing through, we could talk about it.
He's

Katie (01:02:00):
like, no, dad, no, there's nothing, we can't talk about this.
I'm pretty sure.
No, that right Michael G.
Fox does a brilliant job reactingto like, yes, what is happening?
And, and then the dooropens and it's right.
Are you gonna get Right?
Right.

Zo (01:02:18):
Because it's like, then he does the thing, the father does the thing like,
you open this door right now, it's like.
You open it right now, Mr.
And so he's like, okay, dad, I, allright, I'm more, you asked for it.
Right?
And he opens the door and his fatheris fully transformed to a werewolf.
And that was so awesome.

(01:02:39):
That was one of the most unexpectedmoments in all of movies.
That was so awesome to see that.

Katie (01:02:44):
That's a really good point.
It was a, um, it really is oneof the best parts of that, one of
the greatest scenes of that movie.
My, what I love is that thedad, so now it's like, okay.
The whole family.
So then they have a discussion about, oh,I was hoping it would skip a generation.
But the dad wolfed out.
Is he?
He's he's all gray.

music (01:03:03):
Right, right.
Which I thought was

Katie (01:03:04):
hilarious because the dad is actually probably like, not even 40 yet.
Like he's Yeah.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, he's not actually old.

Zo (01:03:12):
Right.
I think his, his fur is gray becausehis regular hair is like brown.

Katie (01:03:18):
Mm-hmm.

Zo (01:03:18):
So I think it's just that when he wolfs out, it comes out as gray, gray.
But he, I guess I took it

Katie (01:03:23):
as he's older, so, but you're probably right.
Right.
He's just a different color.

Zo (01:03:27):
Right.
A wolf like his rose and theRight, and the other thing is,
you know, he had his glasses on.
He's all calm.
And, and Scotty is like, you, you knewabout this, you knew about this the
whole time and you didn't tell me.
And that's when the father mentions that,you know, maybe it'll skip a generation.
Right.

(01:03:47):
So yeah.

Katie (01:03:48):
And then to your point about him being calm and that this is just, it's
really a high school movie with likethe layer on top of the werewolf thing.
Yeah.
And that, that's not even really,it's really like the family dynamics.
So Scott's like, I don'twanna talk about this dad.
And so the dad just is like, okay then.

(01:04:10):
And calmly walks downstairslike, no big deal.
We're just werewolves.
It's just a thing.
Right.

Zo (01:04:16):
Well, I think the other thing is that this is something that
his father had to go through.
Like he had to go throughthe exact same thing.
So he understands everythingScott is experiencing right now.
Mm-hmm.
So he probably had the same reactionto his father or his mother when
he first wolfed out or whatever.
And maybe they told him whatwas gonna happen and maybe
his parents didn't tell him.

(01:04:37):
Maybe they withheld the same reasonhe held, withheld it from his son.
So, yeah.
It's, or maybe his parents didn't get it.
Maybe it was somethingfrom his, uh, grandfather.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
And his parents came out normal, or hisgrandmother, which is why he mentioned
that sometimes it skips the generation.
Yeah.
And uh, he said, but it didn't skip you.
Right.
He's like,

Katie (01:04:55):
guess not now.
What happened to the mom?
I did.
I miss it.
Do they ever say, so she's passed away.
Right, right.
But they don't go beyond that.
Right.
They don't

Zo (01:05:05):
actually mention why.

Katie (01:05:07):
Mm-hmm.
She's

Zo (01:05:07):
not in the picture.
Yeah.
So it's assumed thatshe's passed away or it's.
You get the more of a feeling that theypass away, then they get a divorce.
Yeah.
Because normally in a, in a divorce,the mother tends to keep the child.

both (01:05:20):
Yeah.

Zo (01:05:20):
And the other thing is that he's, I think there's a picture of the
whole family together, or maybe it'sjust a picture of him and his father.
I'm not exactly certain, but theynever address it in the movie.

both (01:05:29):
Yeah.

Zo (01:05:30):
But in like the backstory, I think they mentioned in, in the trivia
what happened to, uh, his mother.

both (01:05:36):
Oh, okay.
Oh, the

Zo (01:05:37):
other thing I just thought of this, remember, uh, when I mentioned that maybe
it skipped his, like his grandparents?
Mm-hmm.
Like, so, uh, his, his great-grandparentshave had it, his grandparents didn't
have it, and then his father had it.
So his father assumed thatmaybe Scott wouldn't have it.
Right.
So he didn't, he wouldn'thave to explain everything.

(01:05:58):
And somehow, well, I think maybeby the time, you know, like you're
an older wolf, you can, you canmore control how you transform.
Or maybe he's just never aroundwhen there a scot when there's a
full moon, maybe that's it because

Katie (01:06:16):
well, or it, or it only comes out like, uh, I guess he's already
gone through puberty, but it must belike the wolf part only comes out at a
certain point in your life, you know?

Zo (01:06:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I, I guess, but, um, I, I, butthat, I think that that's why.
It's never like, uh, they're ableto hide it better from Scott because
his grandparents weren't werewolf.
I'm, I'm guessing, I don't know ifhis grandparents were werewolf or not.

music (01:06:45):
Yeah.

Zo (01:06:45):
But yeah, they're better, they're better able to hide it from Scott
because his grandparents weren'twerewolf, but his father is, and his
father knows how to hide it better.
And then, and, but now he's a werewolfand, and now he's all excited.
But, uh, and, and rightfully so.

Katie (01:07:01):
Well, and he, to your point about he's, it probably takes time and
maturity to figure out how to control it.
Right.
And so then the dad says, um, with great,so somehow this werewolf, this makes
you like an amazing basketball player.
It makes you really popular.
Like makes you attractive somehow.

music (01:07:21):
Um,

Katie (01:07:21):
so now he's like the man on big man on campus, but the dad
tells him with great, uh, powercomes great responsibility, which I
did take note of when I heard that.
I'm like, oh, that's an interesting,like, famous line that I wouldn't
have expected in Teen Wolf.

Zo (01:07:36):
Right, right.
And that comes from Jeff Lowe becausehe's, like I said, it's comic book writer.
Yeah.
So he basically got that from Spider-Man.
Good call.
So this and this movie Ki is kind ofanalogous to superhero movies like
Spider-Man, where it's a teenagerbecoming a hero, but obviously
the teen Wolf is not a superhero.

(01:07:57):
And it's funny because they callhim Teen Wolf throughout the film
when he's all in his wolf personaand he doesn't want to, uh.
Come out as, it's funny, right?
Because it has a scene with styles,they're in a garage and Scott wants
to tell styles about what he's learnedabout himself and styles like, are
you gonna tell me that you're gay?

(01:08:18):
Because if you tell me that I'm not,I don't know if I can handle that.
I took note of

Katie (01:08:22):
that scene too.
Well, he doesn't even, he uses the F word.
Right?
Right, right.
Like very casually, like that's a Right,an acceptable thing to say in 1985.

Zo (01:08:30):
Right.
And that's because it was, uh,people didn't care about certain
modularized groups back in those days.
And so now that we're more informed andwhen you know better, you do better.
So obviously it probably wouldn't play outexactly the same way if they remade it.
Well, they did remake it,but I didn't watch it.
Yeah.

Katie (01:08:49):
Yeah.
I took note of that too, becausethe way styles reacts is that
apparently to styles his friend beinggay is like the worst thing ever.
Like, so he's likerelieved when he finds out.
The secret he has is that he's werewolf.

Zo (01:09:05):

Katie (01:09:06):
So interesting.

Zo (01:09:09):
Maybe not the worst thing, but he says he wouldn't know how to handle it because
this is like, it would be, it'd definitelybe a sea change in their relationship.
Yeah.
And style's persona re uh, dependson him being the most popular person.
Mm-hmm.
So he's concerned, like, Idon't think that he would cut
off his friendships with Scott.
No.
Scott, he gave, but he would beconcerned about how it affected

(01:09:32):
his status among his peers.

Katie (01:09:34):
Good point.
I, which is more a commentary onhow that kind of a conversation
with a friend in 1985 would bevery different than versus now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Zo (01:09:44):
Right, right.
And you gotta admit it is somethinglike, I think nowadays it'd be like, uh,
somebody comes out and they say, yeah,we knew, we knew you were gay all along.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
They did that

music (01:09:55):
in

Zo (01:09:56):
Shazam.
Fur the Gods.
And that was a funny momentthe way that had happened.
Yeah.
But, uh, but that, that's happeninga lot when people can, can see it
early and they, they can acknowledgeit and they can be, uh, supportive
in a way that probably wasn't.
Attainable in back in 1985.
Yeah.

both (01:10:15):
Yeah.
In

Zo (01:10:15):
the eighties.
But I, what's fundamentalabout that is that it was a
kind of coming out for Scott.
He was coming out, like if he wasgonna come out to anybody, the first
person he thought of was style.
So he's basically coming out styles.
He didn't wanna come out the booth, right?
He didn't wanna come out the booth,but he came out to Styles so that

(01:10:35):
that's, uh, Castiles his closest friendand, and probably Castiles the male.
And he, it's easier for him to talkto men than it is to talk to women.
So I think that's, hassomething to do with it.

Katie (01:10:49):
Agreed.
Agreed.
Um, well, and then styles andhis personality, he's like,
how can I capitalize on this?
Like, immediately?
Yes.
Yeah.
Right,

Zo (01:11:01):
right.
That's, and then it, itwasn't even up to styles.
It's like, so now, uh.
Now Scott is playing basketballand he is being dog piled and he
just, he just changes to a wolf.
It's like, 'cause he's so stressed outbecause that has something to do with it.
He doesn't anger.
Right.
It's like that's

Katie (01:11:17):
an emotion that brings the wolf out.
Right?
Yeah.

Zo (01:11:19):
Right, right.
He, he, he hoax out in,in popular vernacular.
Yes.

Katie (01:11:24):
Good way of putting it.
That scene was actuallytalking about great scenes.
I, that's kind of a pivotalscene in the movie too.
Now everybody is like, I, I, it's, I justlove the ridiculous nature of things in
the eighties and the move the movie is.
Uh, so he becomes a wolf in themiddle of a basketball game.
A basketball game.
And there's like maybe amoment where everybody's like,

(01:11:48):
oh my God, what's going on?
And then that's it.
It just, the game continues andeverybody's Right, right, right.
Especially 'cause he is awesome now.
Right.
Like he's a really good basketball player.
And the music, I loved the song that theyplay, like that montage, um Right, right.
I even wrote it down, what was it called?

(01:12:10):
You gotta go with the Flow, Joe.
I don't, it's not like a well knownsong, but if people, if you rewatch
this movie, I guarantee you're it's,it's, it hits that nostalgic note too.
I loved it.

Zo (01:12:22):
Yeah, absolutely.
As a matter of fact, um.
Yeah, when you pointed out that how thecrowds are just staring at him and he's
kind of, he is like, he doesn't knowwhat to do either, so he's just kind of
staring at the crowd, just bouncing theball and then finally goes up for a basket
and the coach is like, all right, we canjust, I guess we just gonna play then.
Yeah.
The, yeah.

Katie (01:12:42):
Good point.
The coach, he's, God the coach is great.
Yeah.
But it is a montage me, since I'm arocky person, montages are big for me.
So there were a couple montagesin this movie that were great set
to really fun songs, so, right.

Zo (01:12:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
That the montages were expertlydone in, in this movie.
And to your point of, doesmake being a werewolf make you
a better basketball player?
I don't necessarily make thinkthat it makes you better, it just
makes you stronger and faster.
Mm.

music (01:13:13):
Okay.
It's already

Zo (01:13:13):
implied that Howard or Scott is, um, already a really good basketball
player, so just being werewolfjust makes him, it just improve,
enhances what he's already good at.
Right.
So if, if he was, uh, and as far as beingfaster and stronger so it doesn't make
him smarter, but if, like he was a runnerthan being a werewolf would make him run

(01:13:36):
faster and he would win all the trackmeets where he wasn't winning the track
before, probably in half endurance, so hecan last longer on the basketball court.
And part of the, um,part of the montages, he.
He's playing the game by himself.
Right.
He was like, the otherpeople are just angry at him.
'cause he goes from being, uh, a teamplayer to being a selfish player.

(01:13:59):
Mm-hmm.
And now he's just, he, he got, hegets to the point where he doesn't
wanna play with anybody else.
He's like the, he's so good atbeing playing basketball that he
can play an entire team by himself.
And now, uh, his teammates are kind ofmad at him because he's not sharing,
he's not part of the team anymore.
He is not sharing the game.

Katie (01:14:19):
Good.
Yes.
I did take note of, so at firstthey're like, sweet, now we're winning.
Awesome.
'cause they're a terrible basketball team.
Like that's made known.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And now they're going to the championship,but then they're like, yeah, well,
I mean, it's no, doesn't matterif we're going to the championship
if we don't even get to play.
So the teammates do.
So we see him being the big man oncampus and he's got all this confidence

(01:14:41):
now, which makes him popular.
And, um, so everybody's like,the wolf is awesome, but not
everybody's in love with the wolf.
Like the team starts to turnand Boof was never into it.
She, 'cause she likes the, theunderlying message here right.
Is that boof who actuallyreally likes him.
That's another trope that's in this movie.
Right?

(01:15:01):
Right.
A lot of, so like the, the best friendwho really likes him for who he is, but
he doesn't see the best friend who'sactually a good, probably match for him.
Right.
But he's really into this onedimensional popular girl for some reason.
Right.
That's an ever eighties movie.
But it's in this one too.
So boof.
Like Scotty for who he is.

(01:15:22):
And so she doesn't love the wolf, nordoes Lewis, the friend, the other friend.

Zo (01:15:28):
Right.

Katie (01:15:29):
Like scared of him or something.
So, so we start to see noteverybody loves the wolf, and
then, then the principal also.
And we, there's some historythere that we find out about.
Right,

Zo (01:15:40):
right.
Yeah.
That, that was the thing that, sothe reason that the principal's
always hounding him is because heknows the family secret, because
he had a confrontation withScott's father, and they were
arguing over, um, Scott's mother.
So, and Scott's father had wonhis mother from the principal.

(01:16:00):
So, and that's all the underlying history.
So

Katie (01:16:04):
like, they went to high school.
Did you assume that it was,that they went, they were
high in high school together.

Zo (01:16:09):
Right, right, right, right.
Yeah.
I was pretty sure that they, theywent to that same high school.

Katie (01:16:13):
Yeah.

Zo (01:16:13):
Yeah.
And they were, and they wereclassmates and they were basically
competing over this girl, andScott's father won the girl.
Mm-hmm.
And the principal, or the viceprincipal hasn't been angry at the
father ever since and, and harboredagainst, and that's so weird to be that
hung up, but I think it was because,you know, uh, so Scott's father.

(01:16:37):
What's his name?
I keep calling him Scott's father, Harold.
So Harold?
Yeah.
I

both (01:16:40):
Mr.
Howard?
Yes.

Zo (01:16:41):
Yeah, Mr.
Howard.
He, he made the print, the,uh, rusty, like you find out
his name is Rusty later on.
Mm-hmm.
He made Rusty p his pants.
So I guess, uh, embarrassing him, uh, infront of the girl, that that's something
that it's probably gonna live with you.
If, if he just taking the girl, it'sone thing, but you embarrassed him in

(01:17:02):
front of the girl, made him pee his pantsand all this kind of stuff, then Yeah.
That's, that's gonna leave a mark.
And he's, he's like mad forever.
So, and now he's takingit out on, uh, on Scott.
He and Scott is not really doing anythingovertly, um, anything that would aeros
suspicion or cause the, the vice pto think that he's a bad teenager or

(01:17:23):
whatever, but he's gonna hound him anyway.
He's like a bad cop.
Right.

Katie (01:17:28):
Take it out on him.
Yeah.
And then there's a great payoff.
The, the last scene, you know, the dadkind of steps in and takes charge and, uh,

Zo (01:17:36):
right, right, right.
Makes in his pants

Katie (01:17:38):
again.
I

Zo (01:17:38):
love it.
Yeah.
Uh, he said, and then when he does it, Mr.
Howard says, I can alwayscount on you, rusty.

Katie (01:17:46):
That's good.
The dad is, yeah.
I, I gotta say, I think all theactors do a great job in this movie.
I think they're all playingtheir characters really well.
Uh, I also noticed, I was actuallykind of impressed with the effects.
This is 1985.
I thought it looked pretty good.
Like the werewolf did.

(01:18:07):
What did you think?
Yeah, the makeup, was it just me?

Zo (01:18:10):
No, the makeup for the werewolf was outstanding.
The, the change effects were, were reallygood and, and they hold up pretty well.
And what I liked about it, I justwatched, uh, master of the Universe with
my friends over at not a Bomb podcast.
And the

Katie (01:18:26):
old one?
Dolph Lundgren one?

Zo (01:18:28):
Yes.
The Dolph Lundgren one.
Oh, yeah.

Katie (01:18:30):
Okay.

Zo (01:18:30):
And that, uh, love DOL

Katie (01:18:32):
Lundgren.

Zo (01:18:32):
And so, and so basically I decided that I still don't like
that movie for a lot of reasons.
And one of the reasons is likethe makeup was just horrible.
Like the lips didn't match up.
Like the, the lips on theprosthetic characters didn't match
up with the lips of the actors.
So Okay.
The lips of the, of the characterswere just kind of flapping around.

Katie (01:18:54):
Oh, I've only seen it once, so I can't really recall what you're
referring to, but good comparison.
'cause that was probablyaround the same time-ish.

Zo (01:19:03):
Yeah, it was around the same time, probably later, but it had a much smaller
budget and, uh, and the, that moviedid so bad that it bankrupt the studio.
Uh, Canon was the studiofor that movie, so yeah.
Oh, of course it

Katie (01:19:15):
was.
Well there were a lot of movies.
I don't know that could havebankrupted Canon, but Yes.

Zo (01:19:20):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It was that movie and Supermanfour, and they just did a
Superman four episode, so Yeah.
Oh, fun.
Yeah.
All bad.
So anyways,

Katie (01:19:33):
yeah, I, I was really impressed actually with the Yeah.
The makeup and the effects of it.

Zo (01:19:39):
Yeah.
All, all of that was really goodand I enjoyed it, although some
people would say he looks more likea, an eight man than a wolf man.
But

both (01:19:46):
yeah, I

Zo (01:19:47):
always, I always took him as a wolf.
I I never got him confused withany other creature or a wolf man.
And they're all different takes on,uh, the type of Wolf Man lately, we,
what we see in movies are creaturesthat look more like wolves, especially
like in, um, I can't remember.
Well, in some of the latermovies, they're, they're more

(01:20:07):
wolf like than anything, orthey just transform into wolves.
But in the earlier days, uh, inlong, in the long Cheney days, they
kind of looked more like men that,that were just slightly hairier.
And I think that was the lookthat Teen Wolf was going for.
Yep.
Like slightly more werewolffish, but still managed because

(01:20:29):
you, you're going to get an apelooking creature when you do that.
But, uh, the other thing, yeah, I agree.

Katie (01:20:35):
I agree with you on all of those fronts, right?
He, yeah, just like an ape man with theears, but the ears, the teeth, the nails.
But yeah, I mean, what are yougonna, what else are you gonna do,

Zo (01:20:47):
right?
Yeah.
Um, so there was a movie that wasactually, it was, it was referred to as
a television special by Marvel and DisneyPlus, and it was called Werewolf by Night.
What I liked about that show is that itkind of went back to that long Cheney,
uh, aesthetic because the characterthat it's based on is a werewolf.

(01:21:07):
And when they created the character,they really wanted to, uh, they used the,
the long Cheney style as their template.
So that's what the werewolflooks like, and that's what
they brought to the series.
And I was surprised to see that.
I was like, oh, this isan old fashioned werewolf.
Which Yeah.
Which pro probably made you enjoy it

Katie (01:21:27):
more,

Zo (01:21:27):
right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I, I don't know if it made meenjoy it more, but I was, I was
definitely pleasantly surprised.
Okay.
To see them using old fashioned, youknow, design for the, the werewolf
instead of the more modern takes on whatwerewolves look like in the newer movies.
Yeah.
So if you haven't seen Werewolf bynight, I would, I highly encourage.

(01:21:51):
It was super entertaining.
It's, yeah.
I haven't,

Katie (01:21:54):
isn't usually my genre.
I mean, this is a teenfilm, that's why I love it.
It brings back a lot of memories, but
like, fantasy generally speaking is notmy jam, but I might, I might check it out.
Yeah.

Zo (01:22:08):
Yeah, that's, that's definitely a fantasy.
But I think, I thinkthat you'd like that one.

Katie (01:22:14):
Okay.

Zo (01:22:18):
So, uh, oh my goodness.
I hope you can't hear that.
That's my stomach growling.
Uh,

Katie (01:22:24):
I cannot, so

Zo (01:22:26):
that your secret is you.
Well, that, that's

music (01:22:27):
awesome because

Zo (01:22:28):
it's super loud.
I was like, why is it so loud?
I'm not even really hungry.
It's just gases

Katie (01:22:33):
moving, I guess.
Yeah.
You know, one thing that I noted,so I watched this yesterday.

both (01:22:40):
Yeah.

Katie (01:22:40):
Uh, but prior to that, I feel like every viewing of it has been either when
it's on TV or when we were, when I was akid, it was our VHS like taped from tv.
So apparently it was alwaysthe edited version, uhhuh,
and now my stomach's growling.

(01:23:01):
Uh, but I literally kind of had to doa double take almost when there's the
scene where Pamela, they get it on.
Yeah.

music (01:23:12):
Yeah.
And I did

Katie (01:23:13):
not even know that because I've always right it, the edited version.
I think they, you know, they kiss orsomething, but there's no indication
that they actually get it on.
And so it makes more sense now becauselater he's like, well, what about.
What about earlier, youknow, in your dressing room.

(01:23:33):
And she's like, what about it?
And I always thought, right, right, right.
He was making a big dealabout a kiss or something.
But no, no,

Zo (01:23:40):
no, no, no.

Katie (01:23:40):
Yeah,

Zo (01:23:41):
no.
They were engaged in casual sex.
They got to know eachother in a carnal way.

Katie (01:23:46):
They did.
And I literally, yesterday was the firsttime I realized that isn't that crazy?
Right,

Zo (01:23:50):
right, right.
She had, she had takenher top completely off.
It's like, we're doing this.
Yeah.
And so I, I guess her motivationis that she, she wants to be
the slut that can get any guy.
I guess that's, that'show she sees herself.
'cause she already has aboyfriend and she's not willing
to let go of that boyfriend.
But at the same time, she wants tobe seen as connected to the most

(01:24:13):
popular kid in her high school.
'cause apparently her boyfriendgoes to a different high school.

Katie (01:24:18):
He does.
He does.
He does.
I I did find it a little strange.
You don't usually see that in movies,especially from this time because so,
so they have their, their a little,uh, time together in her dressing room.
'cause she's in the school play somehowshe has like a whole dressing room.
I don't know.
Right.
Um, and then they go,they have like a date.
They go bowling together andthey're canoodling bowling.

(01:24:41):
And Mick the boyfriend isthere being jealous about it.
And so if I'm Scotty, I wouldthink, okay, well maybe she's my
girlfriend now, but then later shesays, no, Mick's still my boyfriend.
It's weird.
Right?

Zo (01:24:56):
Right.
But she's just doing it out

Katie (01:24:57):
in the open.

Zo (01:24:58):
Right.
She, he even brings it up.
It's like, did you knowhe was gonna be here?
And she's like, not committingto an answer, but you kind of
get the feeling that she knew andfor some reason she wants to make
him, his, her boyfriend jealous.
And it, yeah, this doesn't need, you know,it, it doesn't feel like there to a need
to do that from her perspective, becauseit's not like he's looking at other women.

(01:25:21):
It's like he's, if anything, he'smore possessive of her than anything.
Mm-hmm.
But, um, yeah, he's just,uh, she's just weird.
She's just a weird chick.
I think this would've better beena better movie if he left her.
It was like,

Katie (01:25:35):
yeah.

Zo (01:25:36):
Definitively broke up with her.

Katie (01:25:38):
She's so, she's just fickle and Yeah.
She wants to be attached towhoever the big man on campus is.

Zo (01:25:45):
Right, right, right, right.
And so

Katie (01:25:46):
then, you know, later in the movie, we see how she's
so fickle in that spoiler.
They win, they win the basketballtournament and, right, right.
Thankfully, so we get thisnice perfect eighties ending.
Right.
Sort of where Scott realizes that boof.
Is the girl for him.
So he pushes right pastPamela at the end of the game.

(01:26:08):
To go to boot to booth, which is great.
You're like, yeah,

music (01:26:11):
right.

Katie (01:26:11):
Screw that chick.
She's, she's shitty.
Right?
And then Mick comes over toher, but he just lost the game.
So now she's, she tells him todrop dead, so she's Right, right.
She's just attaching herself towhoever the winner of the day is.
It seems.
Right.
Right.

Zo (01:26:27):
Also, uh, booth is throwing herself at Scott the entire movie.
It's like,
it's like, pick me Plus.
Right.
That's, that's what the kids say nowadays.
She was a total pickme, uh, towards Scott.
And, um, I guess it's totallyappropriate because they grew up
together and she's, uh, and it'slike, I guess when you're kids, you

(01:26:48):
don't realize you're just friends.
But then mm-hmm.
She has grown attached to him ina way that he has not recognized.
So he still, he still sees her asa best friend, which is why he can
be friends with her and at the sametime lust after this other chick.
Right.
So he doesn't Yes.
Even when she's like throwing himselfherself at him and kissing him

(01:27:10):
in the closet and he accidentallyscratches her, scratches her
with his enormous wolf claws.

Katie (01:27:17):
And you're right, she is totally after.
And I feel, it seems as though everyonearound them is also like the dad.
And was it styles or, yeah,we're trying to get 'em together.
Like, it's like everyonecan see that they.
A good pair except Scott's uninterestedbecause he's so focused on this.
Pamela,

Zo (01:27:37):
right.
Girl.
Right.
And, and finally, uh, that, uh, he breaksthe spell after he does the final game.
So, uh, one last part, uh,that, that you really liked.

Katie (01:27:50):
Uh, ooh.
I mean, I guess just the message, Imean, this sounds corny, but kind of the
message, the underlying message that, andhow it ends with, you know, it wraps up.
Well, they end up winning thebasketball game, so he is talked
into just being himself, so, right.
Everybody is like, we only wantyou involved in the play or

(01:28:12):
whatever, if you're the wolf.
And so he realizes that he can geteverything that he wants by being
someone that he's not, but being trueto himself that, you know, it's, it's
a good message that you can achievethings by being yourself, putting in
the work and, and the people who trulycare about you will like you for you.

(01:28:34):
And so we get that lovely message and theywin the game after all, when he's human.
Right, right.
Uh, yeah.

Zo (01:28:39):
I, I think some of the criticism is that the probably is at the
ending is a little too perfect.
I think I would've preferred if theyhad lost a basketball game because there
was no reason that they should have won.
No.
If he wasn't going to be thewerewolf and he gets his.
Fans anyway.
Like he gets the, people stilllike him in spite, spite of the
fact that they lost the game.
I would've liked it if they had done that.

(01:29:01):
They, because Miss, because

Katie (01:29:01):
he wins by one point with free throws.
'cause Nick calls out, I guess I sortof like it because the movie is so
ultimate eighties cheese in a good way.
Right?
Like, and that's why I'm like, I, I likethe perfect ending because the movie is
so, it's, it clearly follows a formula.
Right.

(01:29:22):
But somehow doesn't, I, maybe it's justme, but to me it didn't feel formulaic.

Zo (01:29:28):
Right.
Right.
They did

Katie (01:29:29):
such a good job in, in other areas that the movie came together
not feeling super formulaic for me.
Yeah.
Right,

Zo (01:29:37):
right.
Yeah.
I'm never not going to like this movie.
I'll always love this movie, but I,now that I'm older, I understand the
criticism of I'm not gonna, like,there are some people that, that I'll
point out certain flaws in the movieand now I'll defend it to the death.
But in this movie they'll,they might point out a flaw.
Yeah.
And I'll be like, alright,you right, you right.
Yeah.
I got you.

both (01:29:58):
Yeah.

Zo (01:29:58):
Oh, I totally hear you.
I can't I hear you on that.
I can't defend that.

both (01:30:02):
Yeah,

Zo (01:30:02):
it's true.
But one of my last favorite partsis, uh, when the coach gives
his advice, and it's like, I, Igot three things that I live by.
Yeah.
Uh, one, always get 12 hours of sleep.
I love that.
12, 12, like, this isso, coach, I love it.
Amazing.
12, how can you, I I know I can sleep12 hours if I tried in a week maybe.

both (01:30:27):
Yeah.

Zo (01:30:29):
Then he says, uh, never play cards with a man with the,
with the first name of a city.
So I'm guessing that he couldn't playcards with a man named Dallas or Phoenix.
Yep.
Or Washington or something like that.
Mm-hmm.
And then he says, never datea woman with a tattoo dagger.
Uh, and, and that's funnythat that's what he lives by.

(01:30:51):
Those are his principles in his life.

Katie (01:30:54):
And that's like, I love that part too though, because that's
like right after he says it's,it's not how you play the game.
It's whether you win or it's, it's justsuch a win a window into this coach
that he has probably the best, um,back character, like his character.
Just, there's so muchto it in a funny way.
Yeah.

Zo (01:31:13):
Yeah.
As a matter of fact, it's like he doesn'treally care about the game all that
much until his team starts winning.
Yeah.
And so when Marty comes inand wants to play by himself.
As himself.
Himself, not by himself, but he wants toplay as himself and not as a, a werewolf.
And he says, you sure?
You sure you, you sureyou don't want to change?
And you know, Scott is like, no.
It's like, okay, thenyou let's, let's do it.

(01:31:34):
Right?
Yeah.
It's like whatever.
He's like, he's not all thatemotionally invested in it.
I mean, he would like to win, but ifMarty wants to play his as himself, he
does, he is not gonna stand in his way.
He's not gonna throw a tentertemper tantrum and start
stomping his feet and screaming.
He's like, he's all, he's at thesame time, the worst and the best
coast that you could probably have

Katie (01:31:53):
agreed.
He's just so chill.
Like with every, right, right.
Like with, I love his like, Imean, it's like a hilariously bad
outlook on life, but it's Right.
I don't know.
There's something endearing about it.

Zo (01:32:06):
Absolutely.
So you've heard some of ourfavorite parts of Teen Wolf.
I encourage you to check it out.
It's the, and I'm talking aboutthe original, not the TV show.
Watch the watch, the original fromwhich the TV show was inspired.
And maybe you'll come to understand whythe TV show was made in the first place.

(01:32:27):
Why people were inspired todo a remake of Teen Wolf.
And now, uh, on our next segment, weare going to talk about the trivia.
We gonna take a pause andlisten to some music, and then
we're gonna get back with you.

(01:32:48):
And we are back.
We're gonna talk about the trivia.
The trivia comes from IMDB.
Is it the best place to get trivia?
Almost.
It's almost there.
I I like it.
So Katie, start us off with de trivia.

Katie (01:33:04):
Scott Howard.
Michael j Fox's house was locatedon the same block as 1955 George
McFly and 1955 Lorraine Bain'shouse from back to the future.
Do you mean like the set?
Is that what they mean?
The house?

Zo (01:33:21):
Well, they used real houses.
So the, the location of the houses onthat same street as the other houses.

Katie (01:33:29):
Where, do you know where it was?
I have a little, like it's, I don't thinkit's on here, but something that I noted
about the, one of the filming locations.
I don't know.
Right.
I have

Zo (01:33:39):
no idea where it's at.
Okay.
I didn't dig too deep into it.
I

Katie (01:33:41):
think some of it probably California somewhere.
Yeah.
But there was a scene, um, this, I'moff on a tangent here, but there was
a scene in the house in the Howardkitchen where there was like a,
a college football, uh, schedule.
Like the, like a little banner.
You right.
And the reason I noticed it is becauseI'm from Nebraska originally and, um.

(01:34:07):
The Huskers, Nebraska Huskersare like a huge deal in Nebraska.
And so I noticed that they had a Nebraskafootball like pendant calendar, and I,
so I wa I, that made me wonder wherethe, where some of this was filmed.
And then I watched the entire creditsand at the very end they thank
the people of Fremont, Nebraska,which is like a tiny little town.

(01:34:29):
Right.
I wonder if that's the downtown, I wonderif that's where they filmed, like the
downtown, where the hardware store was.

Zo (01:34:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
That, that's probably it.
It, it definitely lookslike a quaint downtown area.

both (01:34:41):
Yeah.

Zo (01:34:41):
And normally in the trivia, if it was on set, like there are a
couple of movies that take place onthe same set as Back to the Future.
So I'm thinking of, uh, back to the Futureand Gremlins that was the same town.
Oh, and the town is like a,it's not a real town, right?
It's a town that's on the,the Universal Studios lot.
So it, so they basically, when you,you see the town one way, and then when

(01:35:04):
you watch Gremlins, they just take apicture of the town from a different
angle, but it's, it's the same town.
Interesting.
So I'm pretty sure they would'venoted that in the, in the trivia, but.
In this case, I looked at allof the trivia that they had,
and they didn't mention that.
So it's probably in thatNebraska town that you mentioned?
Yeah, especially if they gave credit tothe, uh, town at the credits at the movie.

Katie (01:35:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've never noticed that little,I, you know, my, I have an
eye apparently for Nebraska.
I, I actually don't, I'm likethe worst original Nebraska.
Like I'm, I'm a terrible Nebraskan.
Um, I don't live there now.
I don't live there now, butI'm originally from there.

Zo (01:35:40):
Right.
The entire protection only took21 days, so they filmed this
entire movie in three weeks.
So that's fan.
And they say that the entire protection,so they must be talking about the
pre-production, the filming, and thepost-production, the entire production.
So they didn't take long.
This, this was a very quick movie.

Katie (01:36:03):
That's insane.
Yes.
I mean, I mean, it, as you mentionedearlier, the, I guess they had a really
small budget and so they just hadto, you know, hit the ground running.
But they did a good job, I thought.

music (01:36:15):
Yeah.

Katie (01:36:15):
Even the little details in the ba like in the basketball
gym, they had banners made.
Like, I, I thought the detailswere pretty on point too, so
I'm impressed with this 21 days.

Zo (01:36:26):
Yeah, they, they definitely, uh, they cranked it out.
They did extremely well.

Katie (01:36:32):
Also, Lisa Boof Marconi was based on one of the writer's
high school girlfriends.
That was really her name.
It's a good bit of trivia because Igotta say, I've always wondered, I'm
like, that's really strange, like outthere, but it realistic in a good way.
Like

Zo (01:36:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's someone's name.

Katie (01:36:54):
It felt

Zo (01:36:54):
right.
It felt authentic.
Yeah.
Like, it's like, like who's Boof?
Right.
And it sounds like it wouldbe a childhood name that that
carries over into adulthood.
And you could tell that because like heand Styles calls her booth that they've
been friends for a very long time.
Mm-hmm.
Because not just anybodythat's gonna call her booth.
Good point.
And that was, that was, I reallyliked that, that it really

(01:37:16):
made the movie feel authentic.
And now we see that itcame from a real place.

Katie (01:37:22):
Agreed.

Zo (01:37:24):
Susan Orit, who played Booth, had only made one movie before this zapped,
1982 co-writers, Jeff Loeb and MatthewWeissman saw her in that film and they
knew they wanted her for this role.
So yeah, she, she put out some good work.

Katie (01:37:41):
Wow.
Additionally, when she slapped Michael J.
Fox, she did it too hard at first.
And Rod Daniel had to explainwhat a softer stage slap was.
So she clearly wasn'tvery experienced actress.
But that's interesting.

Zo (01:37:57):
Well there are certain skills that you have to learn over time.

both (01:37:59):
Yep.

Zo (01:38:00):
Now, uh, now since we're talking about this, you mentioned that
you listened to the Jaws episode.
Mm-hmm.
And I think that you'llremember that there was an
actor on Jaws that had to slap.
Uh, what's his name?
The, the jaws dude.
It was like the mother of

Katie (01:38:15):
the boy that was killed or something.
Right.
The mother of

Zo (01:38:17):
the boy that had drowned and she slapped the sheriff and she didn't know
how to slap, so she slapped him for real.
And they had to do several takes of him.

Katie (01:38:28):
A face slap Probably would hurt too.
Yeah.

Zo (01:38:31):
Yes.
Yeah.
She did not stage slap him.
She slapped Roy Schneider.
Uh, Roy Schneider wasslapped like several times.
Oh man.
By that woman, because she alsodid not know how to stage slap.
But here's, here's also, uh, it's, itshould be noted that the person getting

(01:38:53):
slapped has to sell the slap as well.
So it's not like you can just slapa person that the, the pain of being
like for one thing, the person who'sdoing the punching has to pull their
punch and then the person beingpunched has to express the pain of
being punched or slapped or hit.
Mm-hmm.
Or whatever.
So this is a lesson that mostprofessional wrestlers know.

(01:39:17):
I would bet.
I would bet, yeah.
Perhaps some time in, in the ring forsome actors will, will teach them how,
how to do physical contact for the screen.
So that's, that's my little tangent.
So moving right along.
Fox disliked this film so much thathe refused to return for the sequel
and an interview at the time whileback to the future was in production.

(01:39:41):
He laminated Steven Spielberg'sdown the street making great
movies, and I'm playing a werewolf.

Katie (01:39:51):
I don't, um, oh, so a have you seen the sequel with Jason Bateman?

Zo (01:39:56):
No, I have not.

Katie (01:39:57):
I haven't either, but I hear it's like not nearly as good.
Um, so it does make sense.
That's why he didn't returnfor the sequel, but Right.
To me, I kind of dislike when Ihear these things a little bit.
Um, it, I don't know, it's kindof, it just irks me a little bit.
Like you might feel that way, butdon't, you're kind of ruining the,

(01:40:21):
um, the experience for us moviegoersif the actor themselves, it's like,
ah, it's a crap movie, you know?

Zo (01:40:29):
Right.
Yeah.
As a matter of fact, I just did amovie, an officer and a gentleman
and, uh, the main actress,the main, uh, co screen star.
What do you, what do you call thesepeople the best supporting that?
The supporting actress, the leading

Katie (01:40:45):
actress in it, or, yeah, the leading actress.

Zo (01:40:46):
Thank you.
That's what I'm looking for.
The leading actress, I can't rememberher name, but she didn't like that
movie either, and she won't evenacknowledge that she was in it.
Like she really,

Katie (01:40:55):
um, yeah.
It's, it's weird.
I, yeah, like Sylvester Stallone.
You know, I'm a huge fan of his,but he's always, I don't like it
when he talks about the moviesbecause of, you know, every actor.
I mean, Robert De Niro, he,he does some crap movies too.
I mean, that's just kind ofthe way that it goes sometimes.
And, uh

music (01:41:12):
Right.

Katie (01:41:13):
Or sometimes people take paycheck movies, but just keep it yourself.
Let us, let us enjoy the movie.
Yeah,

Zo (01:41:19):
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Keep, keep the illusion up.

Katie (01:41:22):
Yes.
That, yes.
That's a better way of putting it.

Zo (01:41:25):

Katie (01:41:26):
Um, so Fox's Double was, uh, his name is Jeff Glosser, who
was a college basketball player.
At the time, Fox and Glosser couldn'teat solid food while in makeup.
They had to eat, uh, milkshakes and soup.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
It's very clear that, that Michael J.
Fox doesn't know how to playbasketball in his scenes.
And then when he is the wolf Yeah.

(01:41:47):
It's like, oh, it's very mucha different person altogether.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Zo (01:41:51):
He's very good at, mm-hmm.
At playing va He's doing all the tricks.
Yeah.
He's spinning thebasketball on his finger.
He's doing no look passes.
He's, uh, passing behind his back.
He's doing dunks.
He's doing all the things.
He's very good when he's the wolf.
So, since this movie was releasedafter Back to the Future in Brazil,

(01:42:12):
teen Wolf received the title AltoDe Fu, or Boy from the Future.
There, even though the plot has nothingto do with time travel whatsoever.

Katie (01:42:28):
And in a similar way, uh, the Italian version, uh, the title is Lia
di Re, which translates to Desire toWin, was, uh, released in Italy short
also shortly after Back to the Future.
And so due to this, thecharacter's name was Scott.
Um, or the, the character's namein the movie that we know is Scott,

(01:42:49):
but they changed it to Marty,the same name as Michael j Foxx's
character in the Robert Zi Zaki film.
So

Zo (01:42:56):
Right, right.
So capitalizing

Katie (01:42:58):
on the popularity of the original or the more popular film.

Zo (01:43:02):
And here's the thing, you know,teen Wolff did well, so it's, so,
I I guess it's smart walking part.
That's a good point.

Katie (01:43:10):
That's actually a really good point.
Hmm.

Zo (01:43:13):
Right, right.
I mean, it wasn't a $300 millionmovie, but it it did well for its
budget and for the type of movie itwas, it was, it, it did extremely.
Especially against Back to the Future.
I mean, that was just a monster.
Yeah.
Like how do you follow that up?
You can't follow that up.
You can't, no.
Right.

Katie (01:43:30):
You, that's, you know, those are, uh, like lightning
in a bottle type situations.
Yeah.

Zo (01:43:35):
Yeah.
The only way you can follow up back tothe future is back to the future part two.
Right,

Katie (01:43:40):
exactly.

Zo (01:43:44):
So.
Loeb and Weissman interviewedseveral directors for the movie.
They asked the directors whatthey thought the movie was about.
Mo said it was about a werewolf.
Rod Daniel was the only one whosaid it was about a father and son.
He got the job, and he's exactly right.
There was, as a matter offact, this could have used some

(01:44:04):
more father and son moments.
It was great.
It, it al almost got weird that thefather was playing basketball with
his son's prospective girlfriend.
Like to the day's eyes.
That's like, uh, I don't know.
That's good.
It's a little bit, it can be cringeyto some people, but uh, back in
those days, totally acceptable.

Katie (01:44:23):
Also, I did, for me, it, it was helpful.
I can see what you're saying thatsome people would look on and we
can't put today's standards onold movie, you know, yada yada.
But I have found it really endearingin that it shows us that they grew
up like, um, she's basically likeanother daughter to him because
they grew up on the same block.
So the Mr.

(01:44:44):
Howard has known Boothsince she was a little girl.
Right.
And is sort of like, it'slike a father figure.
Right?
Right.
Absolutely.

Zo (01:44:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.

Katie (01:44:55):
Uh, rod Daniel voiced all of the growls in the movie, which I didn't know.
That's an interesting bit of trivia.
And he, he joked andI didn't get a nickel.

Zo (01:45:04):
Yeah.
Uh, that was, that's really the only digas far as special effects I would give
to this movie, because it sounds morelike somebody revving up a motorcycle
that I've always felt that way about,about Back to the Future, where the
growls sounded like somebody was, uh,like tuning up a bike rather than it,

Katie (01:45:23):
you're right.
It doesn't sound like an actualgrowl, and the red eyes are like, not
the best effect, but you know what?
It's 1985, but yeah.
The growl doesn't sound like a real growl.
Yeah.

Zo (01:45:32):
Right.
Yeah.
All, all the red eyes, all the glowingeyes look about the same mm-hmm.
In 1995.
Yeah.
Good point.
Good point.
Point 1985, Howard, how?
Oh, what am I saying?
Harold Howard, tell Scott, with greatpower comes great responsibility.
We talked about this earlier.
Mm-hmm.
Which is in an expression, usuallyassociated with Spider-Man screenwriter,

(01:45:53):
Jeff Lowe was also a comic bookwriter and wrote Spider-Man comics.

Katie (01:45:59):
Yeah, that does make sense.
Given, given the, the comic book writer.
Um, the project cametogether when Michael J.
Fox accepted the lead role, andwe talked about this earlier too.
So his, his, he was on family tiesand Meredith Baxter, who plays
his mom on that show was pregnant.
So that created a delay, whichopened up a, you know, uh, a

(01:46:20):
time in the, uh, filming of thatseries for him to do this movie.

Zo (01:46:24):
So that protection for family tiesprobably took a couple of months off.
So like a last, and it only

Katie (01:46:31):
took a couple weeks to film, so there you go.
Yeah,

Zo (01:46:33):
yeah, yeah.
The, the last two trimesters.
So while they was takingthat break, uh, Fox Good.
And it was funny, right, because whatthey usually do is that they'll film
White up until the moment where theycan't hide the pregnancy anymore, and
then they'll take a break or whatever.
And some shows just, they'lljust put something in front
of the woman all of the time.
It's hilarious.

Katie (01:46:52):
I actually think that's so funny.
The nanny does that when Cece's pregnant.
Yeah.
And they even, it's, it's very metabecause they poke fun at it in the show.
Right.
Yeah.
I kind of think it'sfunny when shows do that.

Zo (01:47:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
Jerry Levine said that this decadeslater, he's still known all over
the world for playing styles.
One time a fan of the film recognizedhim at the Western Wall in Jerusalem,
so yeah, all over the world.

Katie (01:47:21):
That's crazy.
It was really Jerry Levineon, on top of the van.
So we were talking about the, thevan surfing and it was really Jerry
Levine's styles on top of the van.
It was not a stunt man.
He was secured with a wire thatran through the van's roof up
his pants, and around his waist.
That's pretty cool.

Zo (01:47:39):
Absolutely.
So up next.
James Hampton who played Mr.
Howard, asked Rod Daniel forhelp defining his character.
Remember Rod Daniel is the director.
Daniel told him, he's a guy whoknows how to make a casserole.
Right.

Katie (01:48:00):
I, that's, that's funny.
But it really does kind of do the trick.

Zo (01:48:04):
He's, uh, and then you see himdoing, he's the mundane guy,
like he's doing his taxes.
He's, uh, I don't, he's caringand supportive of Scott is
like, he's always, he's.
He always lets Scotts know, even whenhe is angry at Scott, he's not like
Scott was, uh, surfing on the van inhis werewolf form you like, like being

(01:48:28):
a total clown when he's supposed to beworking with his father at the hardware
store and how it's like, you know,just don't let it get it outta control.
Don't let it get it out of pocket.
You know, it's like, so he, he'sthat type of dad and uh, that,
that's pretty endearing and he,he knows how to make a casserole.
I know how to make a cheesecakeand I just made one last night,

(01:48:52):
so I'm eager to figure out.

Katie (01:48:54):
Wow.

Zo (01:48:55):
Uh,

Katie (01:48:56):
that's impressive.

Zo (01:48:57):
Yeah, it's, well, cheesecake by itself is not that difficult to do, and,
and a lot of people, they do no bakedcheesecake, which makes it even easier.
But what I did is I followeda recipe outta this magazine
that I, I never threw away.
And in this particular recipe, it'slike the cheesecake and then you gotta
put the, uh, sour cream on top andit's all this other kind of stuff.

(01:49:20):
It, it was way more.
Complicated than I wasprepared for that night.
I was like, oh my God, I, I have to stayup way later than what I'm supposed to.
So, uh, I didn't finish.

Katie (01:49:30):
Is it for something like, do you have an event to go to that
you're supposed to bring dessertor is this for your own enjoyment?
No, it's,

Zo (01:49:36):
it's for an event.
Uh, my family is doing a little partyfor, uh, what Memorial Day, so I Oh, fun.
And, uh, this is a segment of thefamily that don't know that I can cook.
So, or I have an affinity for it.
I don't wanna say that I'm some greatcook, but I, I, I, I know how to follow
directions, let's put it that way.
So

Katie (01:49:56):
That's so funny.
I've always said, so I amlike kind of the opposite.
I, in that yes, I can read, thereforeI can follow directions and, and do,
and, uh, make something from a recipe.
But I, to your point about it being morecomplicated, I am so not domestic at all,
and anytime somebody's like, oh, I'll belike, I'll compliment them on something

(01:50:17):
they made and they say, oh, it's so easy.
You just do this and this.
And then I'm like, aftertwo steps you've lost.
Right, right, right, right, right, right.
Yeah.
See, I'm very simple with, I,I'm just, I don't have that.
Gene, right?
I, for domestic things,like I'm not a good,

Zo (01:50:33):
right?
Yeah.
And this is, and the, it was kindof challenging because it's like,
um, every time I've made it, it,there's always been something that
I messed up on because even thoughI think that I can follow directions
I have, I'm constantly, I'm readingthe, the recipe over and over again.
Just constantly weeding it.
Yes.
It's like, because I'm afraid that, like,I'll look at it and it just says like,

(01:50:54):
one half teaspoon of sugar or whatever.
So I get the one, and then I'll go turnaway from the recipe, and then immediately
I'm like, so how much sugar did I need?
I go back to the recipes,one half teaspoon.
I go back, I forget immediately.
So that's like, technically I know howto follow directions, but do I really?
Right.

Katie (01:51:15):
And that's why I can, like, I concoct all the time
because I just throw stuff in.
Right.
But you can't really do that with baking.
And I'm, I guess I'm too lazy.
I'm, I don't, I'm like,ah, it's good enough.
Right.
You know what,

Zo (01:51:26):
I'm

Katie (01:51:27):
cup ish of whatever.
Right.

Zo (01:51:28):
What I'm learning is baking is very specific.
Like if it's, if it's something, yes.
If you're frying or boiling orsomething like that, you can,
you can be rather, you know.
Inspired with it.
You can, you can, you can do whatever.

Katie (01:51:42):
Basing requires precision.
Yeah,

Zo (01:51:44):
yeah.
Absolutely.
Right.
So, uh, I mean, not in as much aslike adding too much of one thing
or not enough of another, but as amatter of how long you bake something,
like with cookies, uh, you can bakesomething, uh, a cookie for too long
and it's too crunchy or it becomescrunchy over time where you not break

(01:52:05):
it enough and it's too soft and gooey.
It's like, it's, it's all of these things.
So yeah, it's, it's,it's a, it's a big deal.
So

Katie (01:52:15):
you're making me hungry, so I have to move on.
Bad, I that too.
Uh, so no, I, that's, Ilove, I'm I like a tangent.
Right.
Uh, so Styles, styles playedby Jerry Levine wears num.
Oh, here's where we wouldtalk about his outfits.
Yeah.
He wears numerous humorous,humorous t-shirts in the movie.
They appear in the following order.
One a yellow shirt that says,life sucks, then you die.

(01:52:38):
And I do recall that being likethe first shirt he wears two blue.
It's a blue shirt thatsays Obnoxious the movie.
I remember that one.
The third one is a black shirt thatsays, uh, what are you looking at?
Dick knows, I don't even remember that.
But I like that phrase.
And then the fourth one.
Uh, a gray drunken State Florida shirt.

(01:53:02):
The fifth one is a white shirtthat says Wolf Buddy on it.
And of all the shirts he wears,only two of them, uh, appear
to not have text on them.

music (01:53:10):
Right.

Katie (01:53:10):
Also, I noticed his pants.
He has very like, colorful, it'snot just jeans, but he has like
colorful pants that he wears.
It's a, it's a good character.
This styles, right?
He's, he's got some fashion and it

Zo (01:53:21):
should be noticed that Styles has his own style, but his name is not spelled
like S-T-Y-L-E, it's S-T-I-L-E-S style.
So that's his real name.
But it seems like thatalso informs his character.
So he is, and I, I, it's funny'cause as many times that I has that

(01:53:43):
I've watched this movie, I neverrealized or never read his t-shirts.
It's only when I this watching,this particular viewing that
I started reading is t-shirts.
'cause now I'm like lookingat more details nowadays.
Mm-hmm.
And that's when I first noticedthat life sucks and then you die.
And then I noticed the, uh, theother, uh, I, I saw the, when he wore
the obnoxious t-shirt, but I didn'trealize it said obnoxious the movie.

(01:54:06):
And then, uh, the last one I noticed whenhe was in the classroom, he was wearing
the dick, the uh, dick nose t-shirt.
So they, those are so funny.
Funny.
That's funny.
So yeah, it's, and thatwas actually impressive.
It was like that, that'd be at-shirt that I'd like to wear.

Katie (01:54:23):
They are funny.
And it, to your point aboutthere are so many things.
Just given, uh, that you have apodcast about old movies and so you
rewatch them with a different lens.
You notice so many things, right.
That you didn't notice watchinga movie however many times
you've previously seen it.
Yeah,

Zo (01:54:42):
absolutely.
So according to Rod Daniel, whenTess Audiences first saw Scott's
dad as a werewolf, they went insane.
He said the laughter was so loud, itobliterated the next minute of the film.
Like, yeah, that, like I said, it's,I feel like that's the best part.

Katie (01:55:04):
Well, clearly the audience thought so too.
That's funny.

Zo (01:55:07):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (01:55:08):
Those are good tidbits.
I like it.

Zo (01:55:10):
Yeah.
Uh, those were, uh, really, Ilike it when movies have some
behind the scenes stories.
A lot of 'em may have like fightsbetween the director and the producer
and the actor, and some of 'emhave like, where sets burned down.
This one just had some really nicequirky things that happened in it.
So, and, and only oneperson hating the movie,

Katie (01:55:35):
only one person that was outwardly, uh, vocal about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Zo (01:55:41):
So anyway, that's it for the trivia and up next we're gonna talk
about what the critics thought.
And we're back.
We're gonna talk about whatthe critics thought of.
Teen Wolf.
So the critics gave it a 42%and the audience has it at
a 52% on Rotten Tomatoes.

(01:56:02):
So not very popular.
When IMDB reviews, it has a 6.1
out of 10.
So yeah, I guess

Katie (01:56:10):
that's pretty decent.
6.2
out of ten's pretty decent.
Right?

Zo (01:56:13):
Right, right, right,

Katie (01:56:15):
right.
It, it's

Zo (01:56:15):
comparable somewhat to the Rotten Tomato score.
And I noticed that, especiallyon IMDB reviews, it's, um, it's,
it tends to be lower than the,the scores on rot tomatoes, but
this one, it's notably higher.
So that's, that's a veryinteresting difference.

Katie (01:56:34):
It is interesting.
Uh, Dwayne Burge from the HollywoodReporter, to his credit, this is what
he says about the movie, he says to hiscredit director, rod Daniel has crafted
an amiable teen film and gets a pleasingperformance from Fox in the title role.
Yet Teen Wolf, especiallyin the basketball sequences,

(01:56:56):
loses its dramatic dribble.
I don't think I agree, butI'm not a movie critic.
You don't have to be a movie critic.
You can have opinions.
You have.
Yeah, I actually really enjoyedthe basketball sequences.
Yeah.
Did you?
I liked

Zo (01:57:13):
the, the one when he's the wolf and he's, you know, showing
off and all this kind of stuff.
And then I like where it builds astory where he's playing the game by
himself and then the, the teammatesare just like not involved in the game
and they're kind of pissed at him.
So those work well.
Yeah.
The only thing that, um, where itcould have been more dramatic, I
think I mentioned earlier is, uh, atthe end of the film where they, they

(01:57:36):
probably should have lost that game.
That's all I'm saying.
Or if I can see that another way of doingit is you show the, the team improving
because, uh, because of his involvement.
So maybe there's something that he'sdoing that the team, the rest of the
team is able to improve and then,but in the process of them improving,

(01:57:58):
they, they get shut out because he'sbeing selfish with the basketball.
He's not sharing the game, but thenwhen he comes back at the end of
the movie, he comes back as himself.
But because the team has prac havepracticed and they've gotten better, then
it shows that they have progressed andthey, they beat their rivals as themselves

(01:58:18):
and not as a team with a werewolf on it.
So.

music (01:58:21):
Mm-hmm.

Zo (01:58:22):
I'm just saying that there could have been some things that would've,
uh, like changed the criticismof this particular, uh, critic.

Katie (01:58:31):
Yeah.

Zo (01:58:32):
All I'm saying is that I'm

Katie (01:58:33):
sticking with my thoughts though.
The end sequence, even though theywin, which is probably unrealistic,
it shows that they are a team.
I mean, it's not justMichael JF Michael, J.
Fox as Scotty.
That's good as himself.
The whole team is like, they're,they're working as a team unit.
Right.
And everybody's, I don't know,I, I, I guess I like the cheese.

Zo (01:58:55):
It's okay to like cheese.

Katie (01:58:58):
Um, another one, so RL Schafer from I-G-N-D-V-D says it's often ridiculous
and filled with eighties cheese, but TeenWolf does harbor some poignant coming
of age metaphors and decent helping ofintentional and unintentional comedy.
I the, I can get on board with this guy's

Zo (01:59:19):
review.
I agree.
So up next is MattBronson from Film Frenzy.
He wrote, rather than a wolfin sheep's clothing, teen wolfs
basically a standard eightiesteen flick in Werewolf's clothing.
You, you could say that.
You could, I can understand, yeah.
The criticism, I don't agreeobviously, but I understand

(01:59:42):
I'm not gonna be bad mm-hmm.
For saying that.
Yep.
And then Anna Smith from EmpireMagazine wrote Michael J.
Fox early.
Like Ken Thro.
That's, that's what I like, Andro.
That's what I wanted to say.
Oh, the word, the word wouldn't come out.
It wouldn't come outta me, butthat's the word I was looking for it.

Katie (02:00:01):
Yep.

Zo (02:00:01):
It's a mouthful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So his early, like Andro comedy doesn'thave the easy charm of his later movie,
such as Back to the Future Franchiseor Doc Hollywood, but it's still
a diverting enough tale, so, yeah.
Yeah.
I think I fully agree with this statement.
It, it's definitely a cool story.
And, and she used the word likeAndro and I, I love that word.

Katie (02:00:27):
Big word.
You can tell she writesfor a newspaper, right?
Right.

Zo (02:00:31):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.

Katie (02:00:34):
Or a magazine.
I'm sorry.
A magazine,

Zo (02:00:36):
right?
Either way.
Right.
She's using her collegedegree at check full effect.

both (02:00:41):
She's,

Zo (02:00:42):
so finally, teen Wolf is as of this recording available
on Max, formally HBO Max.
How did you watch this movie?

Katie (02:00:51):
That's where I watched it and uh, I had to update to, you know, to Max.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So let me watch it.
Yeah, I was really upset

Zo (02:01:00):
about that.
So here's what happened, right?
So I have a smart tv.
So the apps are on the TV itself.
Yeah.
So I go and I click on HBO Map makesHBO Max, and it says, you know, the
app needs to update or whatever.
No, not that it needs to update.
It's not available in my area.
I was like, this is impossible.
I just watched this on,uh, a couple of days ago.

(02:01:20):
What do you mean it'snot available in my area?
This is Boulder Dash.
And I clicked on it a coupleof times and it's still what I
kept getting the same message.
So I start scrolling through the appsand I see Max is the very last app on
the list, and it's been added recently.
Oh.
So I was like, oh my God.
So, and I clicked on it andeverything worked as it's supposed to.
So instead of just changing the name onthe app, they created an entirely new app.

(02:01:44):
I was like, this was so unnecessary.
Why did you do that?

Katie (02:01:48):
Why didn't you just, yeah.
That kind of stuff is annoying.
Mine, mine changed when Iupdated the HBO Max app on my
tv, it did then change right?
To just max.
So I didn't, I didn't havethat same, uh, annoyance.

Zo (02:02:02):
Right, right.
But

Katie (02:02:02):
it was still annoying to have to update.
I'm like, can't you just, right,

Zo (02:02:05):
right, right.
Well see the after myTV update all the time.
But this is, I guess, 'cause I havea lg so I guess because of the way
LGS technical infrastructure work,they couldn't simply update the
app the way they would like to, sothey had to create a whole new app.
Oh, technology is 20 that way.
Yeah.
But yeah, that,

both (02:02:22):
it is,

Zo (02:02:22):
that was super annoying, but I, I'm glad I got to watch it.
So that's it for the day next week isto be determined as the next episode
is still in the planning stages.
However, I'm scheduled to be a gueston the middle class film class podcast
for the movie, a trivia tournament.
So wish your boy some luck becauseit's like you saw me struggling while

(02:02:46):
I was doing this show, rememberingnames or, uh, movies that I wanted
to talk about, but I couldn't.
I just, it just wouldn'tcome to the forefront.
So it's gonna be an interestingtournament and I look forward to it.
And I'll also be guessing on themovie Lovers Unite with John d Grego
to talk about the movie Wizard.

(02:03:09):
Uh, this is the Nintendo movie.
So Wizard starring Fred Savageis probably Nintendo's first
movie, used to promote mm-hmm.
A Super Mario Brothers movie.
So if you're keeping Count Boysand Girls, Nintendo has had
three Super Mario Brothers movie.
The Wizard is the first one.
The second one was Super MarioBrothers movie starring, uh, John

(02:03:32):
Lee Zamo and, and what's his name?
And the third one is the movie thatjust came out, the animated feature.
So they finally did it,folks, they finally did it.

Katie (02:03:43):
Well, that sounds fun.
Good luck on those shows.
And, uh, you're, it just,you're human brains, you know?
Yeah,

Zo (02:03:50):
yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just the way it goes, right?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
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(02:04:12):
wanna see improved, if you wanna just givesome feedback, hit me up on the email.
So, Kate, Katie, my gal, doyou have any additional plugs?

Katie (02:04:26):
We covered it.
I guess I'll just one last time say,Hey listeners, if you like this show,
uh, you'll probably like my showRetro Made Your Pop Culture rewind.
Check it out.
I think you'll like it YouTube,or in your podcast app.
And if you like Rocky,check out one more Round.
It's also on the last of theAction Heroes Podcast Network.
All those old action hero guys,there's a whole network of shows and

(02:04:46):
one more round is just one of them.
So, um, you know, if you likenostalgic fun, I think you'll
like some of the shows that I'm on

Zo (02:04:52):
Absolutely.
One last time.
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