Curly Sue | S2E11 - Retromade

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Katie (02:02):
Hello.
Hello, I'm Katie andwelcome to Retro Made.
You Are Pop Culture Rewind.
Today we're headed back to1991 to revisit Curly Sue.
This is John Hughesfinal film as a director.
It's got street scam sentimentalityand one very scrappy kid with big
hair and an even bigger heart.

(02:23):
I'm very excited to introduce you allto a new guest to the show, Andrew
from the Nostalgia Funhouse podcast.
Andrew's been actively podcastingfor about five years now, . Please
tell the retro made listenersabout you and your show, Andrew.

Andrew (02:42):
So the nostalgia Funhouse has actually had a name change.
We changed it to the nostalgia Funhouse.
I started out under the nameof Let's Talk, but No Politics.
Okay.
But we just started doing so muchnostalgia and retro topics that I
was like, we're just gonna change it.
That way we can get it.
So, yeah, it's pretty much,we just talk about everything.

(03:05):
We do an end of the monthmovie review every month.
We do different types of segments.
We do a thing calledSaturday Morning Rewind.
Where every once in a while we watcha block from, say, like a, b, c, 1988.
We watch all those cartoonsand see how we feel about 'em.
We do a thing called pop culturecourt where we put people on trial.

(03:26):
We've done it to Scott Kelvin and fromthe Santa Claus and Kevin McAllister.
We've put him on trialas well at one point.
So we've done that.
I'm trying to think.
And we also do things liketurning sitcoms into dramas.
So we've just recently, yeah, we've,it's, it's a pretty interesting thing,

(03:49):
but mostly it's top six lists tournaments,things like That Just everything,
nostalgia base, everything of that nature.
So it's pretty much most of the yearswe cover, I think the newest year
we've probably have ever done is.
Around 2005, pretty much.
If it's, if it's after 2005, we,

(04:11):
we normally don't touch it.

Katie (04:13):
That

Andrew (04:13):
Yeah.

Katie (04:14):
So it's a good little combo for us to get together and talk
because we talk about very similar

Andrew (04:19):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (04:20):
So I would
recommend everybody checkout Andrew's podcast.
I'm very curious what theverdict was on Kevin McAllister.

Andrew (04:27):
He, so I treat, my friend went into it.
He was the prosecutor, I was the defense,

Katie (04:36):
Okay.

Andrew (04:37):
into it like we were going to kind of like joke around in a way,
but I actually started looking up lawsin Illinois and everything like that.
So actually Kevin got off becauseof the Castle doctrine, because
they broke into his house.
So he was able to defend him himself
in That case.

Katie (04:57):
That tracks,

Andrew (04:58):
Yeah.
It was very interesting.
He was like, I didn't think wewere like looking up case studies.
And I was like,

Katie (05:06):
Hey,

Andrew (05:06):
I,

Katie (05:07):
you're combining pop
culture with true Crime.
I love it.
Those are

Andrew (05:10):
yeah,

Katie (05:10):
favorite types of podcasts.
That's freaking fantastic.
And yeah, we'll be talking aboutHome Alone come Christmas time
because that's John Hughes as well.
I did see Andrew, that you alreadycovered Curly Sue on your podcast,
but I purposefully did not listento the episode I will after this.
But I didn't want it to taint any of ourconversation that we will have today.

Andrew (05:31):
I think of my stance has kind of changed in a way
now That I've rewatched it.
So it's gonna be interesting

Katie (05:38):
Okay.

Andrew (05:39):
I always try and do, whenever I do the movie reviews, I always
think about how I felt as a kidand as it kind of still stand up.
So it's like a young Andrewversus an adult Andrew and
how I feel about everything.

Katie (05:53):
That definitely makes sense.
Well, I'm excited, but before we get intoour time capsule, I do wanna share some
thoughts from a listener Scott from theall nineties action all the time podcast.
He sent me a lovely note.
He says, Hey Katie, I hope you're well.
I just wanted to get in touchto say how much I've been
enjoying your John Hughes season.
I think the episodes you've doneso far have been great, and I

(06:16):
dig the revamp time capsule too.
Well, that's good.
Thanks Scott.
this season has also inspired me to checkout the Hughes films I have Not Seen as
you cover them, which so far has been Mr.
Mom and career opportunities,also listening.
There was a couple things that came up inyour latest episode on National Lampoon's
vacation that you and your guests seemedunaware of that I know the answer to.

(06:40):
The first was, the last detailis the Jack Nicholson film from
the seventies directed by Hal.
from Harold and Maude.
Oh, we were curious what thelast detail was because I
think Randy Quaid was in that.
I think that's what we

Andrew (06:57):
Oh.

Katie (06:57):
what we were talking in reference to,
and we weren't sure whatthe heck that movie was.
So thank you, Scott.
He says it's really good.
Awesome.
Okay.
Well, I'm gonna have to check out well,it obviously got some award praise, so I'm
gonna have to check out the last detail.
it fits in thematically with yourepisode as it is also a road trip movie.

(07:18):
Oh, okay.
secondly, James Keach isindeed Stacy Kes brother.
We had inquired.
So the guy who plays themotorcycle cop in vacation,

Andrew (07:29):
Okay.

Katie (07:29):
his name is James Keach,
and we were like, Hmm, I wonderif he's Stacy Keech brother.
But of course none of uslooked it up we were right.
So thank you Scott forfor jumping in there.
And he says lastly, total film was oneof the two most popular film magazines
in the uk, the other being empireuntil it closed its doors last year.
You may have already looked thatstuff up or possibly don't care, but

(07:53):
hopefully you found it interesting.
Anyway, keep up the great work.
Thank you so much, Scott.
If, if you all wanna be like Scott, sendme an email retro made podcast@gmail.com
and be like, Scott, I love

Andrew (08:05):
Yep.

Katie (08:06):
people and whether you
wanna correct me whether you wannajust say, Hey, whether you wanna
say you like it, you don't like it.
Send me an email.
Alright, Andrew,

Andrew (08:17):
Yep.

Katie (08:18):
are going to spin the retro made wheel in our time capsule.

Andrew (08:23):
I do a retro fantasy thing with my friend, so he just spins the
wheel for me when we gotta pick a
pick a week

Katie (08:32):
I am gonna spin on your behalf,
we're gonna see whatcategory we come upon.
Now, I will say have already covered1991 in the career opportunities episode,

Andrew (08:43):
Okay.

Katie (08:44):
hopefully we don't double dip.
'cause I
We'll, spin again if, if that happens.

Andrew (08:49):
okay.

Katie (08:53):
Return to tune time.

Andrew (08:55):
Ooh,

Katie (08:55):
Here's a question for
you.
Premiering.
In 1991, this show featured a ducksuperhero who balances crime fighting
with his life as a wealthy socialite.
His sidekick is the secretagent dog name this cartoon.

Andrew (09:11):
oh.
It's not It I thoughtit was dark wing duck.

Katie (09:16):
It is.

Andrew (09:17):
Oh, it is,

Katie (09:18):
Yeah.
Does he

Andrew (09:19):
does It I wasn't a big dark wing duck guy.

Katie (09:22):
Same.

Andrew (09:23):
My, my co-host Johnny Loves Dark wing Duck, and it's one of the
things that he always says, I hateeverything that he loves, but I would,
I always tell him, just wasn't into it.
I was ducktails and afterDucktails, I was kind of all ducked
out when it came to the duck.
cartoons, but I figuredit was dark wing duck.
Let's get dangerous.

Katie (09:44):
It is.
Dark wing duck.

Andrew (09:45):
Okay?

Katie (09:46):
this one kind of missed
me and now that I, you bring,there were a lot of duck related

Andrew (09:51):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (09:52):
for some reason.

Andrew (09:53):
Yeah.
That Disney Afternoon was likejust Sunday them out and I
was like, ah, dark wing duck.
It's cool, but

Katie (10:01):
Yeah.

Andrew (10:02):
I like letting my launchpad quack on Ducktails.
not on another show.

Katie (10:06):
Ducktails.
Were good?
Yes.
Let's see if you'll get this one.
I don't know if I would have.
Okay.
In this 1991 cartoon, an adventurousboy and his magic carpet explore a
fictional Arabian city facing villainsand making friends along the way.
What's the name of this series?

Andrew (10:22):
Aladdin, is It

Katie (10:24):
It is, I

Andrew (10:24):
Is it?

Katie (10:25):
I didn't know there was a series,
but

Andrew (10:26):
Yes,

Katie (10:27):
Aladdin had a TV
series apparently.

Andrew (10:29):
it was, if I remember correctly, it was like early, early in the morning,

Katie (10:35):
Mm, okay.

Andrew (10:37):
like on the weekdays.
So if my mom would wake me upearly to go to school, it was kind
of like one of those things that.
would be on.
And they also had a LittleMermaid series as well.

Katie (10:47):
I vaguely recall that.
I don't think I watched it, but yeah, Ithink if anything was popular, they were
like, let's see how much money we can

Andrew (10:55):
Yeah.

Katie (10:55):
this.
This one, I don't know.

Andrew (10:59):
Okay.

Katie (11:00):
This 1991 animated series follows a group of teenagers who gain superpowers
after a mysterious storm and fight evilforces led by a villain named Hacker.
What

Andrew (11:12):
Oh, that's, that's the centurions

Katie (11:15):
Is it,

Andrew (11:16):
it I wanna say, but I thought that was more in the eighties.
Is it,
Doc Hacker or?
Oh no, that okay.
I think that is Super Human Samurai Squad.

Katie (11:32):
this shows.
Okay.

Andrew (11:34):
Okay.

Katie (11:35):
my answer is wrong
or it's, that's highly possible, but itshows SWAT Cats, the Radical Squadron.

Andrew (11:43):
okay.
So Yeah.
probably 'cause the super, thesuper Samurai, whatever it was
like they were super Cyber Samurai.
But I think that came outlater because it was kind of a.
A Power Ranger rip off where they couldonly use their powers inside of a,
in the computer

Katie (12:00):
You mentioned the squadron part.
I've literally never heard of

Andrew (12:03):
ohs.
Oh,

Katie (12:05):
Cats, the Radical

Andrew (12:06):
I've heard of SWAT Cats.

Katie (12:09):
you have.
Okay.

Andrew (12:10):
Yeah.
It's a Hanna bar.

Katie (12:11):
let me know if you've heard
Cats?

Andrew (12:12):
a H of barbaric cartoon.
I

Katie (12:15):
Hannah Bara.

Andrew (12:16):
it, they kind of, they were like two cats and they like worked
in a junkyard, but then All of asudden they made like this really
cool plane and they did fly around.
I never knew their
villain name was Hacker.

Katie (12:29):
Okay.
Hmm.
All right, well, you did pretty good.
Let's see about another category, Andrew.

Andrew (12:36):
says I have a lot of useless knowledge, so,

Katie (12:38):
it, I mean, it comes in handy for you know, podcast episodes.
Let's see if we covered VHS Vault.
Nope.
Here we go.
I.

Andrew (12:47):
okay.

Katie (12:49):
Ooh, this'll be
fun.
okay.
so VHS Vault.
This is the top five
movies like at Blockbuster in 1991.
I have clues for you, but I'mcurious if you have any guesses.

Andrew (13:02):
So
I'm thinking home alone, eventhough it came out in 90.
Kinda like that overlap.

Katie (13:10):
Very good guess, but No

Andrew (13:12):
trying to think of what else.
I think I, I need clues on this one then.

Katie (13:17):
but similar.
It's, it's a bunch of stuff that
came out in 90,

Andrew (13:21):
Yeah.

Katie (13:22):
So here's
your first hint.
The number one rental in 1991.
A tragic pottery scene, a subway

Andrew (13:29):
Oh,

Katie (13:30):
and Whoopi Goldberg
channeling the afterlife.

Andrew (13:33):
ghost.

Katie (13:34):
Very good.

Andrew (13:35):
was so scared of whenever those demon shadow people would come out.

Katie (13:39):
That was kind of dark,

Andrew (13:41):
Yeah,

Katie (13:41):
it

Andrew (13:42):
it was, I remember it?
was like I had a friend's sleepoverand We were watching like HBO way
later than what we should have.
And Ghost came on and I saw thoseshadows came out and I didn't
sleep very good that night.

Katie (13:55):
We covered Ghost last season in the ultimate everyman season

Andrew (13:59):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (14:00):
Swayze obviously
Was
in it.
So fun
one.
Number two, a Hollywood fairytalefeaturing a street smart woman, a
businessman, and a shopping spree for

Andrew (14:12):
all
pretty woman.

Katie (14:14):
Yes.
Oh my God,
that's one of

Andrew (14:15):
Uh,

Katie (14:16):
Movies.

Andrew (14:17):
yeah, I was so, my friends find it very odd.
When I was growing up, we werepretty much allowed to watch
whatever we wanted to watch.
Like my grandmother so.
Their idea of kids' movies when it cameto stuff were way different than mine.
They're like, so whatdid you watch as a kid?
And I'm like, oh, ROHOCop, predator Commando.

(14:39):
And they're like, no, didn't you watch?
I was like, yeah, we watched that,but those weren't my kids' movies.
So Pretty Woman was, I think a movie nightWhere it was like, you got two choices.
You can go upstairs or you canwatch Pretty Woman with Us.
So I decided to stayand watch pretty well.

Katie (14:53):
you in the birth order of your siblings?

Andrew (14:56):
I am the youngest,

Katie (14:57):
Same with me, and I

Andrew (14:59):
so.

Katie (14:59):
why Andrew, I also watched
Pretty Woman at a very young, Iwatched everything at a younger
age than probably my siblings.
'cause they

Andrew (15:06):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (15:07):
She's not
gonna understand half of it.
And we're just, this iswhat we're watching, so who

Andrew (15:11):
Well, I also have an aunt that is only 13 years older than me,

Katie (15:15):
Okay.

Andrew (15:16):
so.
She literally just at theage of 18, did not care.
I watched Breakfast Club probablyconstantly over and over and over again
and she would always yell, you know,smoke 'em up, Johnny, and stuff like that.

Katie (15:34):
Oh, that's such a good one.

Andrew (15:36):
Yeah.
So,

Katie (15:36):
episode of this season.

Andrew (15:38):
Yeah, so it's kind of been one of those things.
I'm three years younger than mybrother that but than my aunt's
like only 13 years older than me.
So that's where when I wrote down a lot ofmy influences and in the eighties, because
that's pretty much what they just got meinto at that point, even at an early age.

Katie (15:59):
Yeah, that makes sense.
All right, the numberthree video rental, 91.
It's a good one.
As far back as I can remember,this mobster saga made slicing
garlic with a razor look

Andrew (16:13):
Oh,

Katie (16:13):
form.

Andrew (16:14):
good fellas.

Katie (16:15):
Oh,

Andrew (16:16):
Yeah,

Katie (16:16):
of my favorite movies of all time.
I love it

Andrew (16:18):
but I love that movie too.
That's a great one.

Katie (16:22):
the next two are not as obvious.

Andrew (16:25):
Okay.

Katie (16:26):
Okay.
Number four.
Your
hint is a fugitive in the Witnessprotection program and his
fiery ex get chased across thecountry often on motorcycles.

Andrew (16:37):
Oh my goodness.
Why did I thi At first Ithought it was, what is that?
My Blue heaven?
But that's definitely not it.
Fugitive.

Katie (16:46):
is in it.

Andrew (16:48):
Oh,
what do,

Katie (16:52):
Mel Gibson.

Andrew (16:53):
why do I wanna say Bird on a wire.
But that's not it.
Is it?
It

Katie (16:56):
it is

Andrew (16:56):
is it?
Okay.

Katie (16:58):
Yeah.

Andrew (16:58):
Alright.

Katie (16:59):
Yeah.
I needed the actors or I don't think I

Andrew (17:01):
Yeah I never even seen that one.
I just remember previews in themovie theaters for it though.

Katie (17:06):
I actually guessed on a, another podcast Amel Gibson
podcast where we talked about it.
I love Goldie.

Andrew (17:13):
Oh,

Katie (17:13):
Much Mel.
Okay.
The last one, the hint ismedical students tempt fate by

Andrew (17:20):
oh,

Katie (17:20):
hearts to see what lies
beyond and bring back more than memories.

Andrew (17:24):
that is, Flatliners.

Katie (17:26):
It is,

Andrew (17:27):
Yeah,

Katie (17:28):
This doesn't seem that familiar to me.

Andrew (17:30):
it's, Oh so my dad had this thing called a cheater box.
So my parents were divorced likewhen I got, when I was four.
So I'd go to my dad's on the weekends andhe had this thing called a cheater box.
So you would get unscrambled pay-per-view.
So that's how I lot watcheda lot of movies was under
Unscrambled Pay-per-View and.

(17:52):
I watched Flatliners probably wayearlier than I was supposed to because
it is a very, very freaky movie.
The way that they go under andkind of, they kind of go into
like their own personal hell ina way as they kill themselves.
Like it's a very, it's a very good movie.
I'm not a Keith or Sutherland guy,but he's pretty good in there.

(18:13):
Julia Roberts is inthere as well, I believe.
Yeah, it's,

Katie (18:17):
they kill themselves and then their,
friends or their other, theother students bring them back?
Is

Andrew (18:22):
yeah.
So it's like they, they try and killthemselves and then after a while they
almost bet on each other or make betsof how long they can stay dead for.

Katie (18:35):
Oh, wow.

Andrew (18:36):
So at one point they're like, I could do it for two minutes,
and then somebody out of nowherewould be like, I'll do it for five.
And they'd be like, okay.
I think maybe Oliver Platt's in it too.
I wanna say it's a pretty, I.
Decent cast, but Yeah.
But they almost face like their ownpersonal hell and their like own
demons that they gotta, it's likea weird version of it in a way too.

(18:58):
You know, like it makes'em face their fears.
Well

Katie (19:01):
Oh,

Andrew (19:02):
this is kind of like what happens when they go under, like they
have to face what their fear or thebiggest regret in life or something
traumatic that happened to them.
I think I, was probably what,eight when that eight when it
came out around there and it.
was intense for an 8-year-old

Katie (19:17):
it sounds like it.

Andrew (19:19):
like Ghost was like nothing compared to, I felt Flatliners because
of the, the story in Flatliners.

Katie (19:27):
All right.
We have time for maybe one more category,
retro runway.
So this is some fashion stuff.
91.
This is an easy one.
In 1991, this type of oversizedouterwear, often plaid or tweed,
and inspired by grunge culture andnirvana's rise became street wear

(19:49):
staple for both teens and 20 somethings.
What was it?

Andrew (19:53):
Flannel

Katie (19:54):
Flannel shirts?
Yep.
After the release of Thelma and Louisein 1991, this once rugged accessory
saw a resurgence among women worn withhigh-waisted jeans and often paired
with cowboy boots for a rebellious edge.
What item is this?

Andrew (20:12):
I have no idea.

Katie (20:15):
Bandanas.

Andrew (20:17):
Okay.
I,

Katie (20:19):
Often worn as
headbands or neck accessories.

Andrew (20:22):
okay.

Katie (20:22):
Yeah.
And the last one, Nike released tothis now iconic sneaker designed
for basketball star Michael Jordanfeaturing visible air units and a bold
infrared colorway that helped launchsneaker culture into the mainstream.
Which model

Andrew (20:42):
which model?

Katie (20:43):
Yeah.

Andrew (20:44):
number of Jordan it is or

Katie (20:46):
Yes.
But I, it is there, Jordan, obviously
Points if you
get the number

Andrew (20:52):
I'm very intrigued by nature, culture, like the whole
idea of a sneakerhead, but I, it'sprobably one of those things that
I like to look at from far away.

Katie (21:02):
same.

Andrew (21:03):
Uh,

Katie (21:04):
Guessed the number.
I

Andrew (21:05):
Jordan?

Katie (21:06):
yeah.

Andrew (21:07):
Jordan.
Oh, it's 93

Katie (21:11):
91.

Andrew (21:12):
Sorry.
91.
Jordan
threes

Katie (21:19):
Air
Jordan six.

Andrew (21:21):
they were on six, but I was figuring,

Katie (21:23):
they started earlier than I thought too.
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (21:26):
okay, so.
there was a new oneevery year then probably

Katie (21:29):
I

Andrew (21:30):
at the,
cause he came in,

Katie (21:32):
People are probably yelling at us 'cause I'm not a sneakerhead

Andrew (21:34):
I

Katie (21:35):
so, so somebody that
knows better let us know.
I kind of assume there's a new oneevery year, but I could be wrong.

Andrew (21:41):
I was debating the, what is it?
Puma, and then there's abasketball player, Lalo Ball.
He came out with, they were pretty decentlooking ninja Turtle inspired sneakers.

Katie (21:51):
Awesome.

Andrew (21:53):
I was looking at 'em and looking at 'em, and then I was like, a hundred
and something dollars for sneakers.
And I'm like and then right whenI was about to say, you know
what, I'm just gonna get 'em,they were sold outta my size.
So

Katie (22:03):
Of course.

Andrew (22:04):
a way it was
kind of not meant to be.
So

Katie (22:07):
to be.
I know.
It's sort of like the universe.
You're like, well, Ithink that worked out.
Yeah.

Andrew (22:11):
Yeah.
So I bought a pair of Hey dudes instead.
So there's my,
there's my shoes for the,

Katie (22:16):
I don't even know what that is.

Andrew (22:18):
those are, they're kind of just slip-on boat shoes,
I wanna say like a loafer.
They're pretty popular.
And they, only way thatI knew about it is.
my younger cousin wore 'em andthey looked really comfortable.
And so normally I'm in, I wear, Hey dudes.
And then if I do yard work, I wear crocs.
That's my whole, so.

Katie (22:38):
That's your shoe

Andrew (22:39):
yeah.
that's what's my daughter say?
My, my drip.
She tries to do that all the time to me.
She asks me what my drip costs and Isay it's not very expensive because
I spent the majority of my, moneyon you, on you and your brothers, so

Katie (22:52):
Well, my shoe allowance is more than yours because I am child free, so.

Andrew (22:57):
you see, yeah they're getting older though, so now
it's not, now it's not too much.
But plus two, I spend, if you could, whenyou see behind me, it's mostly on action
figures and stuff, which theymake fun of me about, but I
tell 'em, they give me joy.
So they're for,
They're fun to have.

Katie (23:17):
Everybody's got a, a hobby or an interest or something makes
you easy to buy for then too,
feel

Andrew (23:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
My, my wife normally laughs at me.
We are completely on theopposite ends of things when in.
So when it comes to a lot of the,yes, it's very much very different.
I did an episode with her before starTrek or Star Wars 'cause she didn't know.
So I.
would just name stuff, you know,like Spock and she would have

(23:43):
to pick Star Trek or Star Wars.
And,

Katie (23:46):
has she seen either

Andrew (23:47):
She's watched Star Wars 'cause of her father, but she hates it.
She's never seen Star Trek.
And I tried to explain Star Trek toher and, 'cause we watched the Big
Bang Theory and they dressed up aslike, the Next Generation, which
is my favorite Star Trek series.
And I, tried to explainthings and she was like,
just don't just shut up and watch the,

Katie (24:08):
care.

Andrew (24:09):
yeah.

Katie (24:10):
No, I I relate to
her.
I feel like I could play that game.
I, having not seen them,

Andrew (24:16):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (24:16):
it's so prevalent in our culture and society that I feel like
I get some of the references, so

Andrew (24:22):
Y

Katie (24:22):
feel like I wouldn't do too horribly
at that game.

Andrew (24:25):
Yeah, she, yeah, she just I normally, if it gets too quiet, I ask her.
I'm a big wrestling fan, so Iask her a bunch of weird, weird
questions from back in the day.
There was a tag team calledthe Killer Bees, and I always
go, who's your favorite?
Killer B?
Is it B Brian Blair?
Or Jump in Jim Bronzel?
And she's like, just go to your office.

Katie (24:46):
You know, I actually did grow up watching wrestling in the eighties though.

Andrew (24:50):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (24:50):
my grandparents' house, my grandpa was
into it, but I think I onlyknow, like the older stuff,

Andrew (24:56):
yeah, it, I've delved into my new thing is since I've gotten older
and I don't know what it is, normallyyou go into World War II or grilling, I
feel if you're a man, once you hit over40, mine is, mine is wrestling history.
like I've delved into the whole historyof how it came to a certain point and

(25:19):
even to the point where how guys usedto get paid out per match and, you know,
and the whole lifestyle of everything.
It, it's very interesting beforethat point in the eighties
where it went totally national.

Katie (25:31):
This sounds like a side podcast, Andrew.

Andrew (25:35):
I'm, I only do my one.
I only do my one.
So,
but yeah, it's,

Katie (25:42):
Hint, hint.
I bet there's an audience for

Andrew (25:44):
Yeah, it's it's definitely very, very interesting the way that,
you know, certain things happen andhow everybody's like, oh, you're gonna
destroy the business, and then all ofa sudden you find out that they exposed
the business since 1930 somethingof how everything works, but it just
kind of gets swept under the rug.

Katie (26:02):
Yeah, I, I do think it's more interesting than at first blush.
You might think so.
Before we chat about CurlySue, thank you for playing my

Andrew (26:11):
no problem.

Katie (26:12):
made wheel time
capsule.
I have a whole season on John Hughes andthis being his final directorial work.
I'm curious if you have any particularthoughts John Hughes that you wanna share.

Andrew (26:26):
John Hughes once again is one of those people that when you're
younger, I didn't pay much attentionto directors, and it was more who was
in the movie and could I recognizethem kind of from something else.
So as a kid, I, I alwaysloved every one of his movies.
I mean, there's still a couplethat I haven't seen, like career
opportunities I didn't see.

(26:46):
And I,
you guys did a wonderful job of paintingthe picture of career opportunities.
And it's one of those things whereI'm like I don't think I'm gonna see
that one, but thank you for showing,you know, explaining it to me.
But as when I got older and Istarted to realize who he was, it
was like, wow, he's this guy makingall these great movies out there that

(27:09):
I just constantly enjoyed as a kid.
And we're a big part of my childhood and,you know, breakfast Club, uncle Buck, the
Great Outdoors 16 Candles, pretty in pink.
Like I said, my aunt was only 13years older than me, so she was
a teenager through those times.
So those were the thingsthat we had to watch.
And so I just thought hewas really, really great.

(27:30):
But then.
I kind of get into the historyof him and I see his later stuff.
I kind of like feel he lost it.
Like it was just not there.
Like a professional athlete that you watchfrom his rookie year and you're like,
wow, this is gonna be something special.
And then all of a sudden you're likeyou should have stopped earlier.
You're not what you are,you're not what you used to be.

(27:53):
Just maybe don't, you know,you don't wanna be mean, but
like time has passed you by.
I understand a lot of people like togo until they say the wheels fall off.
But
I feel like at a certain point,I think home alone was his peak.
And then after that it was downhillfrom, there wasn't anything as magical

(28:14):
or there wasn't as much coming to age aswhat he was known for in the later ones.

Katie (28:21):
Yeah, I think I concur with you.
Definitely known for theteen pack type movies.
and then he kind of lost his muses,but was still able to, you know, some
of the family adventure comedies.
He kinda moved more towards thatand I, I think I agree after that.

(28:41):
I did read too I can't recall whatyear John Candy died, but I think
that was really hard on John Hughes.
It sounds like he just kind of lostthat, that impacted his wanting
or, or passion for writing and

Andrew (28:57):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, It's because he, did he do changeor plane trades and automobiles also?

Katie (29:03):
Yep.

Andrew (29:04):
Yeah.
So I could see where.

Katie (29:05):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (29:06):
He hit that real big stride with, you know, Molly Ringwald and the Brat
Pack, and then it went into John Candy,and then after that it seemed like he
couldn't find it again with anything else.

Katie (29:19):
I think I, I fully agree.
It's been really interestingdoing this season.
'Cause I was definitely notan expert uh, John Hughes and,

Andrew (29:27):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (29:27):
know, really looked up to
him.
Some of those moves we talked about.
But, he's human just like the rest of us,
Well, without further ado,let's get into Curly Sue.
October 25th, 1991 was the release date.
This is a PG movie IMDB, it's only a 5.9.

(29:51):
And I think that tracks,

Andrew (29:53):
Yeah.

Katie (29:54):
This is
both written and directed by John Hughes.
And I, I did read though thatalthough this was his final
directorial effort, it wasn't actuallyoriginally planned to be that way.
according to Gene, Cisco Hughes hadplanned to direct two more films with
good friend and collaborator, John Candy.

(30:15):
Candy's premature death in 1994, Hughesdecided to quit directing altogether
and focus on writing and producing.
And that the loss of candy iswhat ultimately kept him away
from the director's chair.
'cause he loved working withthat particular actor so much.
However, that was in the midnineties and I, I think even before
then, he had kind of started to

Andrew (30:35):
Teeter off.

Katie (30:36):
His magic.
Yeah.
So.
If you all listening or watching,haven't seen Curly Sue or if it's
been, 30 years or something like that.
movie is about Bill Dancer andhis young companion, curly Sue.
They're the classic homelessfolks with hearts of gold.
Their scams are aimed not at turninga profit, but at getting enough to eat

(31:00):
when they scam the rich and beautifulGray Ellison into believing that
she backed her Mercedes into Bill.
They're only hoping for a freemeal, but she's touched and over
the objections of her snotty fianceinsist on putting them up for the
night they get to know each other.
Bill becomes convinced that this is whereCurly Sue belongs in a home cared for by
someone that can give her the advantagesthat his homeless nomadic existence lacks.

(31:25):
He plans to leave her in Gray's custodyand take off, but she has other ideas.
All right, so this bill danceris played by James Belushi

Andrew (31:37):
Yes.
Did

Katie (31:40):
Kelly Lynch plays the beautiful Gray Ellison.
And we talked about her obviously onthe Roadhouse episode from last season.
And I had completely forgottenthat she was in this movie
because she kind of faded into

Andrew (31:56):
obscurity, I didn't realize she was in Roadhouse,
so

Katie (32:00):
I think that's what she's most known for

Andrew (32:02):
really?
See, I'd had no idea that when I,well, so my thing with Roadhouse
was like a friend brought theVHS over and we watched it and.
I was more in tune to say PatrickSwayze and Sam Elliott, where I
was like, these are the coolestguys on the face of the earth.

(32:22):
So

Katie (32:22):
right.

Andrew (32:23):
It was one of those things.
So that's probably why I didn'treally recognize her so much.

Katie (32:28):
Yeah, I mean, she's she's there for the, I mean, she's very beautiful in it.
But yeah, I mean, me, I, yeah, Patrickand Sam brought me to the party for sure.

Andrew (32:36):
Yeah,

Katie (32:37):
no, that's one I grew up watching.
And yeah, I don't know if you listenedto the Roadhouse episode, but we
were like, it's actually really good.
It's not,
Of people are like, oh, it's, it's a bad
movie.
That's fun to watch.
But I'm like, it's a good movie.

Andrew (32:48):
it's got a famous wrestler in it too, and Terry Funk, he plays.

Katie (32:53):
Yeah.
That's right.
Were you familiar with the actresswho plays Curly Sue at all?
Alison Porter?

Andrew (33:00):
No, I know a lot of people get, I felt like a lot of people got her mixed
up with the Pepsi girl, but then come tofind out, I don't think she was the Pepsi
girl, if you remember the Ray Charles
Pepsi commercials.

Katie (33:11):
yes,

Andrew (33:13):
that was her and when we were doing it, I'm thinking to
myself, I don't think that's her.
like they look the same,

Katie (33:20):
I

Andrew (33:20):
but it

Katie (33:21):
her.

Andrew (33:21):
doesn't track when that Pepsi commercial came
out compared to this movie.
So I was like, I thinkthey're two different people
that just look very similar.

Katie (33:32):
I think you're right.
'cause I actually did look up Allison'swork and Allison is spelled, I hate it
when parents do this to their children.
Just give, spell a name normally becauseher name Allison is spelled A-L-I-S-A-N.

Andrew (33:48):
Yeah, it's.

Katie (33:49):
She's gonna forever
have to spell that for people.

Andrew (33:51):
Yep.

Katie (33:52):
but I looked
up to see, cause I didn'treally recognize her.
She's known for this movie.

Andrew (33:58):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (33:58):
but she also had a role in
1980 Nine's Parenthood

Andrew (34:01):
Yeah, I

Katie (34:01):
then

Andrew (34:02):
don't

Katie (34:02):
Random
episodes of a lot of popularTV shows in the eighties.
Like PeeWee's Playhouse, family TiesPerfect Strangers and Golden Girls.
One of my favorites.
Get this, Andrew, she wonseason 10 of The Voice

Andrew (34:19):
see, that's where my wife loves that show and I, would, I
don't like it, so I didn't watch it.
'cause that was, I wish I would've watchedthat, but then she probably would've got
bad at me 'cause I kept on, would've beencalling her Curly Sue the whole time.
So, but that's pretty impressive.
'cause she sings in this movieand she sings pretty good, like

Katie (34:39):
I noted the fact that she sings in this movie, 'cause I had
already looked up who she was and I

Andrew (34:44):
mm-hmm.

Katie (34:44):
God.
And that was just in
2016,

Andrew (34:47):
the voice has had some pretty interesting like
eighties minor celebrities.
Like I believe Dottie from PeeWee'sBig Adventure was on there too,

Katie (34:57):
Oh, all right.

Andrew (34:59):
because I got, I was like, that's my winner, that's my horse.
And that's when I startedwatching it because I wanted
to see if Dottie was gonna win.
And then, I don't know.
I
don't think she did I don't think she
did.

Katie (35:12):
now, let's see.
So we talked about So Gray,

Andrew (35:15):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (35:16):
for some reason I don't know

Andrew (35:17):
It was,

Katie (35:18):
and I will consistently
call.
So James Belushi is Bill Dancer.
Kelly Lynch plays Gray Ellison andI, whenever I do podcasts, I always,
it's a movie, I haven't seen a ton.
I tend to say the actor's name

Andrew (35:30):
yeah.
See that's.

Katie (35:31):
of the character.
But her name is Gray, whichI thought was interesting.

Andrew (35:37):
It's very, he's got a very interesting.
choice in names.
I felt like he was trying to go big withgray, like think of something good like,
Hey, let's call her Gray And then all ofa sudden it was like, well, what are we
gonna name the, you know, the male lead?
Let's just go with build dance dancer.

Katie (35:57):
Bill,

Andrew (35:58):
doesn't,

Katie (35:59):
yeah.
Gray Ellison soundsvery like hoity though.
And

Andrew (36:03):
yes.

Katie (36:03):
A
fancy lady.

' Andrew (36:06):
cause it starts off very hard with her where she's like, and 'cause
she's a divorce lawyer and she's like,we're gonna go after your husband and
we're just going to take 'em rightoff at the legs and everything else.
And then
good.

Katie (36:19):
super high powered divorce attorney.
Her client, Mrs.
Arnold is played by Barbara Tarbuck.
and it's the only reasonI bring her up because she
doesn't, not really well known.
But she has a lot of TV creditsand say 80% of them, she plays
either a judge or a doctor

Andrew (36:40):
Oh

Katie (36:40):
random TV episodes.
Yeah.
And then her boss at this lawfirm is played by Fred Thompson.

Andrew (36:47):
yes.
And he's got one of the greatest linesI've ever heard to tell somebody.
'cause my wife is very careerdriven, even though she says it.
And I've definitely gotta start using thisline outta where he says, if you don't
stop going 190 miles per hour, you knowper hour, you're gonna hit something.
And I was like that's great forpeople that are just go, go, go.

Katie (37:09):
Great point.
I had, Fred Thompson is very well known.
He's been in a ton of stuff, I would say.

Andrew (37:16):
And Order is probably where I recognize him the most from.

Katie (37:19):
oh, see, I only watch SVU,

Andrew (37:22):
Oh, okay.

Katie (37:23):
one.
Good call
though.
The hunt for red.
October,

Andrew (37:26):
Alright.

Katie (37:27):
maybe one of his most
famous movie credits.
And then because I love all theselike sitcoms from the eighties, I
recognized him also because he, inthe early Roseanne, he plays her
dickhead boss at the plastics factory,

Andrew (37:42):
Oh,

Katie (37:42):
Faber, I wanna say,
or Faber or Farber or something.

Andrew (37:46):
okay.
Didn't George Clooney end up taking thatpoint when he played, what is the name?
Booger or Booker.
on Rosie.
Okay.

Katie (37:54):
Yeah.
And then Jackie
dates them.
Yeah, for sure.

Andrew (37:58):
See?

Katie (37:59):
So Gray's, I didn't realize it was her fiance,
Walker McCormick,
that's also like a very rich

Andrew (38:05):
On top of that Rose, that's Exactly.
where I recognized him from.

Katie (38:09):
Exactly.
So the actor who playshim, he's super sleazy.
He's like

Andrew (38:14):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (38:15):
of the sleazy, like shyster, Ugh.
His name is John Goetz and yes,he plays basically the same role
in Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter'sDead Rose's sleazy boyfriend, right?

Andrew (38:28):
Yep.

Katie (38:29):
Yep.

Andrew (38:29):
It's just a little bit more, say hoity-toity in a way where he
thinks he's better than everybody.

Katie (38:36):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
I did watch the TV show Bosch.
But it's been a while.
I did see also that he plays acharacter named Bradley Walker.
Interesting.
Another walker in 13 episodes.
So Bosch fans out there, tell me whothat is again, what character he played.

Andrew (38:56):
I've never even watched that show either, so I just remember him
from Don't Tell Mom the babysitter'sdad because the, I think I don't know
if you don't mind me jumping ahead.
the one thing that got me when Idid rewatch this when I rewatched it
from my episode that I never, neverdawned on me as a kid is the drifter.

(39:17):
That's kind of does, I don't wantto get too much, but the drifter

Katie (39:22):
ahead.

Andrew (39:22):
is that steals curly soo ring and pawns it for money
is the guy from home alone.
He's the gangster from, what is it?
What is that movie, called?
Hell, hell's Angels orsomething like that, or,

Katie (39:34):
It's like not a real movie, but

Andrew (39:36):
yes.

Katie (39:37):
Oh
Ralph Foodie is his name

Andrew (39:40):
Yep.

Katie (39:41):
The line he says is, keep the change.
You have filthy animal.

Andrew (39:44):
Yeah, because I always, so we use a lot of like racks and stuff at
work to move like a lot of large parts.
And one of the legs were bent andI called it Little Mo and nobody
was picking up on the reference.
'cause all I could thinkabout is home alone too.
When he is like, you'resmooching everybody.
You live in little, ourlittle mo with the gimpy leg.

(40:06):
So

Katie (40:07):
Mm-hmm.
That's a deep cut there.

Andrew (40:10):
yeah,

Katie (40:10):
but yeah, that is him.

Andrew (40:12):
it's called Angels with filthy souls.

Katie (40:15):
Yep.
And

Andrew (40:17):
what it,

Katie (40:17):
that it's not a real movie.

Andrew (40:18):
yeah.

Katie (40:20):
That's amazing.
So Bill has a friend namedAlbert and the actor's name, I've
never heard of this name before.
Branscombe.
Have you heard that name before?

Andrew (40:30):
No.

Katie (40:31):
Or Branscombe.
Branscombe.
I'm not entirely sure how to pronounceit, but Branscombe Richmond is his name.

Andrew (40:38):
Yeah.

Katie (40:39):
He's a, a Native American actor and a stunt man, and also a singer.
and he's a lot of timesthe bad guy on screen.
And, he's been on the receivingend of the fists of Arnold
Schwarzenegger and Commando.
He's

Andrew (40:52):
Uh,

Katie (40:53):
By Carl Weathers in
Action, Jackson and Tangled withSteven Egal and hard to kill.
And he also did the stuntson John Carpenter's.
They, Liv.

Andrew (41:04):
well, so he's been, he's not the main villain in Commando, is he?

Katie (41:08):
Probably not.

Andrew (41:09):
Okay.

Katie (41:10):
Probably not.
And did you recognizeSteve Corral in this?

Andrew (41:15):
Yes.
Yes.
'cause that was my the way that I hookedmy co-host Johnny into watching this?
He didn't watch it as a kid, andhe's pretty much the same age as me.
And I was like, Steve Carell's in it.
And he was like, oh, man.
I was like, it's first film.
And then he watched it and he waslike, he's in it for like two seconds.

Katie (41:34):
Literally,

Andrew (41:36):
I'm like, well,

Katie (41:36):
at the restaurant or

Andrew (41:37):
yeah,

Katie (41:38):
like that, right?

Andrew (41:39):
Tessio.

Katie (41:40):
Yes.
He, yeah.
He has a name at least.
Yeah.
Also at that restaurant, the maitred it's a very fancy rest restaurant.
The maitre d is played by Cameron Thor.
He's known for his movies, Jurassic Parkand Hook and Clear and Present Danger.
And
he's a convicted sex offender.
So

Andrew (42:00):
Oh,

Katie (42:01):
clear of
Cameron Thor?

Andrew (42:04):
so he's a great all around guy then.

Katie (42:06):
Super.

Andrew (42:07):
Yeah.
Well that was like uh,
I, the principal from Yeah.
That
I was like, oh my goodness.

Katie (42:17):
John Hughes.
What are you doing?

Andrew (42:19):
Yeah.

Katie (42:19):
these people?
What's
happening?

Andrew (42:23):
Can separate the art from the, or the art from the artist, I guess,

Katie (42:27):
I guess, so there's a few smaller parts I wanted to bring up.
Gray's assistant or colleague orsomething her name is Annais, but
she's played by Gail Boggs and shewas a regular in this drama that
I've never heard of called Bronx Zoo.
And

Andrew (42:44):
Aye.

Katie (42:45):
we
we covered Ghost last season andshe plays O MA's sister in that, but

Andrew (42:49):
Well,

Katie (42:49):
really a whole lot else.
And Vivica Davis playsTrina the housekeeper.

Andrew (42:56):
that's the most interesting
part of the movie.
That whole sequence is when she comes,in and she doesn't know bills in the bed

Katie (43:06):
Mm.

Andrew (43:07):
and he kind of just.
Watches instead of saying, Hey, I am,
I'm here.

Katie (43:17):
She like changes into a maid's uniform, which

Andrew (43:20):
yes,

Katie (43:21):
right?

Andrew (43:21):
with her munchkins too.
And he like watches her throughlike the crack door of the bathroom.
And I'm thinking to myself, wouldn'tyou have said, Hey, I'm here.
And then they end up becomingfriends, like playing poker and stuff.
And I'm like, wouldn't thatweird you out in a minute?
Like, why don't you definitely wannacheck out this guy and everything else?

(43:44):
And

Katie (43:45):
Well, I mean, I wouldn't have brought him to
my fancy apartment in the first

Andrew (43:49):
that was,

Katie (43:50):
that we need to, you

Andrew (43:51):
Yeah.

Katie (43:51):
With the flow,

Andrew (43:52):
there's a lot to unpack in this when you, when you're not watching it.
As a kid, I feel when itcame to a lot of this stuff.

Katie (43:59):
Definitely I almost died though.
I wouldn't have a lot of thesesmaller characters I probably
wouldn't have even thought much of.
But when I do the research for the show,sometimes I come across some effing gems.
And this is one, I can't believe Irandomly found this, but this Vivica Davis
played one of the main characters in amovie that I grew up absolutely adoring.

(44:21):
We had it taped on VVHS and I've literallytried to find it, but I can't find it.
And I think the reason I can't findit is because I did not realize
that it was a made for TV movie.

Andrew (44:32):
Oh,

Katie (44:33):
Um, Have you
seen or even heard of Andrew orlisteners student exchange from 1987?

Andrew (44:41):
No.

Katie (44:42):
She
plays the girl.
So it's like best friends, a girl anda guy that are dorks in their high
school and they come up with this planto pretend that they're the student
exchange students, one from Franceand one from Italy, and then all of
a sudden they become super popular.
and there's like a, like the,there's a really incredible cast.
If you look up the cast forthis, you should there's like

(45:04):
a ton of famous people in it.
Anyway, she plays Carol, AKASimone, who's like the French.
It's so good.
Please, somebody tell me you've seenthis, I will somehow find it and cover
it on a future retro made episode.

Andrew (45:18):
Yeah, I, I thought you were gonna give me the com most plot to what is that?
Just one of the guys,

Katie (45:25):
It

Andrew (45:25):
is another movie.
Not too many of my friends have everseen, and I'm pretty shocked by that.
I'm like, how?
Have you never seen just one of the guys?

Katie (45:34):
I think I've only seen it once, so I don't really remember a ton from it, but

Andrew (45:37):
Oh, it's.
I don't think it's a movie thatyou could make today in a way,

Katie (45:42):
no.
There's a

Andrew (45:44):
like a lot of, yeah.

Katie (45:45):
yeah.
Absolutely not.

Andrew (45:47):
Monster Squad.
I, my eyes got real big as they threwout sexual slurs at the kid, like
in the first five minutes of it.
I'm like whoa,
is that how we were back then?

Katie (45:59):
It, yeah.
Sounds like it.
There's so much, it's, I think Italked about it in another episode.
It was like things that were sopresent in our vernacular we didn't
think twice about saying something.
And once it's gone from yourvernacular for so long, the, and
then you hear It again, you're like,

Andrew (46:16):
Yeah.

Katie (46:17):
what did you Just
say?
You know?

Andrew (46:20):
It's very interesting in that way.

Katie (46:23):
Did you also see that Ededie mcclar.
Plays the secretary and she is
the redhead that always plays some smallpart like this in a John Hughes movie.
It's always a delight to seewho Edie McClure is gonna play.

Andrew (46:37):
He definitely has his lineup that he likes to go with on all of his movies.
And you know, if you're winning witha lineup, you gotta keep it that way.

Katie (46:46):
Indeed.
the music, I don't know if you took noteof this, the reason that I wanna bring him
up, I'm probably not saying it correctly,Georgia, he's a French composer.
350 scores for movies and TV.
And talked about him last seasonbecause he did the music for

(47:08):
Silkwood with Kurt Russell.
Have you seen Silkwood?
A lot of people

Andrew (47:12):
I've never seen
silk.

Katie (47:14):
good.
it's
It's based on a true story and it'salso got Meryl Streep and Cher in it.

Andrew (47:19):
Oh, okay.
So that's actually a, shock thatI've not seen that 'cause my, I've
watched mermaids multiple times,
so

Katie (47:29):
highly recommend it
give it a watch.
It's super good.
I did see that Alison Porter wonan award for this movie, though.
Young Artist Award for best youngactress starring a movie, which is
interesting 'cause she didn't doanything else really until the voice.

Andrew (47:46):
no, she, she kind of fell off, which is weird because
normally, like back then, 'causeMcCulley, Culkin got real big.
I mean, even his, well you couldprobably say his little brother now I
surpassed him and in roles and that.
but even he started off in a lot ofthese movies and then you figured.

(48:07):
Somebody like Curly Sue, I wonderif, because it wasn't as bus big as
a success as it was Why that youngchild actor thing kind of ended.
'cause like Emmanuel Lewis wasn'teven supposed to be in Webster,
but because they saw him in theBurger King commercial, they
were like, we're gonna put him.
You didn't know that.

Katie (48:24):
I didn't know that.

Andrew (48:25):
So that's why the theme song is called Then Came You.
It was only supposed to be about GeorgePapadopoulos and his new socialite wife.
And it was supposed to be like an oddcouple thing, like the ex-football player
With the socialite.
And then they saw Emanuel Lewis ina, in the Burger King commercial.

(48:49):
And they were like, yep, we'regonna put you in the show.
And they completely reworked it.
So a lot, they were not too happythat they reworked their show

Katie (48:58):
I bet not.

Andrew (49:00):
put Emanuel Lewis in there.
So he was not even.

Katie (49:02):
of the show.

Andrew (49:04):
And he was not even supposed to be in it like it was supposed to be called.
Then came you like in the theme song?

Katie (49:11):
But then after that show, did he do anything after that?

Andrew (49:15):
Nope.

Katie (49:16):
it's it is wild.

Andrew (49:18):
It's a

Katie (49:18):
I think

Andrew (49:18):
Gary Coleman too,
Do anything.
It's that kid thing where she,she pretty much did this and
it really did nothing after it.

Katie (49:28):
She had a unique look to her too, you know, like,
the big brown eyes and the curly hair.
I mean, she was very cute.
So I don't, and she was good.

Andrew (49:36):
Yeah.

Katie (49:37):
I don't, tend to like child actors, but I thought she was very good.

Andrew (49:41):
See I have a friend that hates movies where the children are the heroes.
So I always laugh like he doesn'tlike the Goonies, and stuff like that.
He's,

Katie (49:51):
Oh,

Andrew (49:51):
he, he's, he's older than me, but he he like hates the Goonies and
he was a big Star Wars fan and theycame out with a new show on Disney
Plus called Re and there's about kidssaving pretty much like their planet.
And I was like, yeah,he's gonna hate this.
He is gonna hate this so much.
But

Katie (50:09):
I do like the Goonies, but I think it was because in the Goonies,
you feel like you're one of the kids.
Like it's a

Andrew (50:15):
yes,

Katie (50:16):
whole, movie is
kids.
Really?
Yeah.

Andrew (50:19):
I think that was the charm of this as a kid is because.
Curly Sue, the actress was just so greatin it that she was funny, charming,
witty with a lot of different things.
And then they threw you a lot of curveballs, even why she was named Curly Sue.
'cause you, you do look at her and you'relike, oh, her name is Curly Sue because
you know, she's got all that curly hair.

(50:41):
And then come to find out thatshe was named after named Curly
Sue after one of the Stooges.
'cause one of the guys that they weretraveling with for the summer thought she
looked like curly from the three Stooges,which I, would've not have traveled with
them anymore even if I, was homeless.

Katie (50:58):
Yeah.
I, I, well, homeless cultureis, is really on display

Andrew (51:04):
Yes.

Katie (51:04):
in a, is like romanticizing it

Andrew (51:07):
Yeah.

Katie (51:07):
movie.
Which we'll get into justreally quickly, the budget here,
25 million box office, 33.7
million.

Andrew (51:16):
Yeah.
I think that's what kindof killed her on it.

Katie (51:19):
I mean, It
made money.
It just wasn't like a giant success.
And I, I think there were a lotof missed opportunities as well.
It sounds like you grew up watching this

Andrew (51:30):
Yes.

Katie (51:30):
your history with Curly Sue?

Andrew (51:32):
So like I said, it was what I call a Cheater Box movie.
'cause my dad had a cheater box.
So I live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.
I grew up in Niagara Falls, New York,

Katie (51:43):
Okay.

Andrew (51:44):
so pretty much you don't go outside too much in the winter.
So I watched a lot of moviesand that kind of helped out.
So I watched this a lot as a kidand then all of a sudden as I got
older was movie on the back burner.
I think I watched it once withmy kids when they were younger,
and then I just reviewed it.
I wanna say a couple months ago.

(52:04):
And then I watched it again for this.
So that's pretty much it.
It's, it's a movie I tell people to watch.
Like my daughter's boyfriendwhen we were on vacation, I
was like, Hey, watch Curly Sue.
And I think he sat downand watched some of it?
but I think he turned it off.
'cause it's I mean he'slike 20 years old so he is.
not really gonna be too much into, I,think it was one of those things, like

(52:24):
my girlfriend's dad told me to watch it,so I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, please
him and just turn it on for a little bit.
I think that's the way it was.

Katie (52:33):
Well, when

Andrew (52:34):
They

Katie (52:34):
it when your kids were younger, what
did They
think of it?

Andrew (52:37):
enjoyed it.
They enjoyed it.
They thought it was, you know,a good like family movie.
They thought it was funny, silly.
They liked Curly Sue and all of herantics and everything like that.
'cause she's.
Pretty much a mini adult in this.
And that's one thing as a kid you'rewatching and you're like wow, look
at all this cool stuff she's doing.
She's playing poker, she's running likethese little scams and stuff like that.

(53:01):
She's funny and everything else.
So you're like, wow, thisis pretty, pretty great.
So they enjoyed it.
I don't think they enjoyed as much asthe other stuff I've showed them, but

Katie (53:10):
Okay.

Andrew (53:11):
I, they sat through it.
So that was an accomplishment'cause we watched.

Katie (53:15):
I, yeah, I think like it's just like a different world for
kids in movies now, so I think

Andrew (53:20):
Yeah.
Have you I have you noticed thatmovies have gotten longer, and songs
have gotten shorter or I peoplethink I'm crazy when I say this.
I remember growing up.

Katie (53:32):
gotten longer, like 90 minutes used to be kind of the mark.

Andrew (53:36):
Yeah.
And then like you could have a fiveminute song or like Guns N Roses.
I think November rains almost about eight.
And now my kids.

Katie (53:45):
is like 11 or something.
Yeah.

Andrew (53:47):
Yeah.
And now my kids listen to thesesongs and they're like done in two
minutes, but then they're like,Hey, watch this movie with me.
And I'm sitting there for three hoursand I'm like, did songs get shorter?
And movies just get longer.

Katie (54:01):
That's a interesting point.
I have to think more about a bit.
Some songs, I'm wonderingif a lot of things, fashion
included, there's like a cycle.
So now I'm wondering if wayback in the day, I feel like
movies were very long like

Andrew (54:17):
yeah.

Katie (54:18):
of Arabia and like The
Godfather, you know,

Andrew (54:20):
Gone With the Wind is

Katie (54:22):
So,

Andrew (54:23):
long.

Katie (54:23):
so that.
Then they got shorter andnow they're getting longer.
And similar with songsfrom back in the day.
Used to be like a minute, like really

Andrew (54:33):
Yeah.

Katie (54:33):
bebop,
Doop like I dunno, there's like oldies.
I feel like a lot of songsAre very short and then

Andrew (54:40):
Okay.
Yeah.

Katie (54:41):
and now they're getting short.
So I
feel like it's just kind ofa cycle that's happening.
you bring up a good point though.

Andrew (54:46):
I try not to listen to new music.
So, and they don't like, theydon't like what I listen to.
'cause I'm like listen to theguitar, solo and stuff like that.
Really take everything in, so.

Katie (54:56):
inevitable.
I feel like kids and their parents,although I feel like in some ways,
like I love the Rolling Stonesbecause I grew up listening to it.
'cause

Andrew (55:04):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (55:05):
them.
And I don't know if I would, I, I meanI think objectively they're awesome, so

Andrew (55:10):
Yeah.

Katie (55:11):
would've anyway, but
kind of normal.
Kids don't like what theirparents like and vice versa.

Andrew (55:15):
Yeah.

Katie (55:17):
Yeah, I mean I think this is a very cute.
Easy to watch movie.
Like you don't have to think too much.
I very much enjoyed it.
I think it could have been better right.
But like we open and you're like,okay, it's like this montage of a baby.
And gym , intermixed with luggageand card playing and crayons
and marbles, and then the ring.

(55:38):
And then now they're hitchhiking loosesemi ice that carry a bunch of cars.
They're

Andrew (55:43):
Yeah.

Katie (55:44):
cars.
And so, and then
cut to, oh, we're in Chicago,there's a skyscraper.
And now we meet Gray, thesuper high powered attorney.
And one of the things that I, Iwanted to get your opinion on, because
one of the common themes that I'venoticed during the John Hughes season
he portrays particularly women.

(56:06):
Who are very career oriented andthey are single and not married
and don't have kids, and that isportrayed to be an in an insanely
negative thing in all of his movies.
Like they're, they'remean, they're emotionless.
They, something is clearlymissing from their life.
I don't know,

Andrew (56:26):
I

Katie (56:26):
I
I,

Andrew (56:26):
maybe one of the things that he, now that you say that maybe
that's one of the things that in theage that he grew up around that was.
I wanna say, when was he born?
Like in the fifties, sixties, around.

Katie (56:41):
Yeah,

Andrew (56:42):
Yeah, so that was probably not, I think that's probably
one of the things that he saw.
And back then, I
mean that was, it was horrible.
A woman with a, with a career andyou're single and you're not married.
And I think that kind of hands overinto a lot of where that norm is, is
changed where you can be a successfulwoman and not be married and not have

(57:07):
kids 'cause you're more career oriented.
Or even if you do, it'sokay to be a career woman.
like how, I think back then it wasa lot of things where, how dare you,

Katie (57:17):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (57:18):
You know, not stay at home with the kids.
I know my grandmother worked on,worked the line at GM and my mother
told me that they would, the men wouldpull horrible pranks on her because
she was a woman working the line.
Doing things of that nature.
And they, they didn't like the fact thatshe was doing that and everything else.

(57:40):
So I could kind of see in how thatgeneration, if you grew up in that
generation, how you would actuallyportray women in that case, in that,
you know, you can't you can be thatway, but you need you, you need a child,
you need a husband, you need something.
You can't just be happy by yourself.
It's okay for a man to do that,but it's not okay for a woman.

(58:03):
And I think that's where that comes from.
Where now the norm is changinginto, you know, it's okay.
You, you do you we'll say now.
But I think that's the way it was,

Katie (58:16):
I think you bring up a really good point.
It's just, and I havea heightened awareness.
To this particular issue because I am notmarried and don't have kids, and this is
like the fifth time that I've noticed itin a John Hughes movie where it's like
the evil single career oriented woman.
And I'm like, geez, what'syour deal, John Hughes?

Andrew (58:37):
I think it's just that, I just hear about the stories like my mother
would tell me 'cause my grandmotherleft my mother's, father at one point
and she would say that, you know,my grandmother would have to lie and
say her husband was in the army justto get, just to get an apartment

Katie (58:55):
oh.

Andrew (58:56):
live in.
So I think it's that type ofthing where you, you need a man.
That's what it all automaticallycomes down to is you, you need
a man and you, you need one now.
'cause that's what you're missingis you need a man and you and you
need a child and you just need to.
Settle
down to be happy.

Katie (59:16):
Your life.
And, And we see that here.
Her life is not complete until she getsmarried to Bill And adopts curly Sue.
And now, now she's happy.

Andrew (59:27):
Yeah, that's,
you know, it's,

Katie (59:30):
I mean,

Andrew (59:30):
think

Katie (59:31):
I.

Andrew (59:31):
his, that's his way of saying it.

Katie (59:33):
It's,
it's interesting.
It's the nineties though,but yeah, you're right.
It wasn't that far removed from, itwas like the mid seventies before
a woman could open a bank account.
Right.
Like with a

Andrew (59:44):
probably around there

Katie (59:46):
it's,
it's like crazy how recent that kindof stuff was, if you think about it.

Andrew (59:51):
it was huge in the fifties when Lucy was
on.

Katie (59:54):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (59:55):
pregnant Murphy Brown giving birth was even in the nineties,
was like, Hey, what are you doing?
You can't be doing thesethings as a woman on tv.
I mean, how long did it take?
Even for in the entertainmentworld where you would see a married
couple sleeping in the same bed?
Right.
That was like the other

Katie (01:00:12):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:00:13):
so I think that's where it
kind of like plays into its
writing

Katie (01:00:16):
Yeah, no.
Yeah, you're probably right.

Andrew (01:00:19):
I don't think he's going so.

Katie (01:00:20):
No, I know.
I, the, I just happen to noticeit because I'm like, and I'm not
even like a high powered attorney.
I'm just like, I'm good, you know?
I also, I noted that after the, theygo to this fancy restaurant that,
so, which is kind of a funny scene.
Clearly they've done this before, thema d knows them, but they, there's

(01:00:42):
like a distraction so that curly, socan go get some food from the buffet.
And then they do this car hitting scam.
To scam.
Kelly Lynch into thinkingthat she backed over Bill.
And they show the scene of her using apayphone and how disgusted she is with it.
I don't know why I, thatvery much resonated with me.

(01:01:03):
'cause that would've been the same way.
I'm like, does anybody have a, likea, any Purell that I can put on,

Andrew (01:01:07):
Oh,

Katie (01:01:08):
put on this phone,
like at the jail or, I can'tremember where they were that
she had to use a payphone.

Andrew (01:01:13):
the Rocky, Rocky Fell's House of Beef.

Katie (01:01:17):
How?
Yes.
Yes.

Andrew (01:01:18):
That's exactly where she was.

Katie (01:01:20):
That's right.
That's right.

Andrew (01:01:22):
Rocky Fell's House of Beef.
I don't know why
I remember that aspectof the movie, but I.

Katie (01:01:28):
It's funny.
It's a funny name.
I.

Andrew (01:01:30):
Yeah.
'cause I would, I almost thought shewas gonna say Rocky Horrors, and I was
like, no, it's Rocky, Rocky fellers.
But I, I agree.
And she's just seems verydisgusted throughout that whole
entire thing that you know, thatthey're eating and enjoying this.
Food that she would never eatbecause she would go to the, fancy

(01:01:51):
restaurant and not get a T-bonesteak as they yell at a cross.

Katie (01:01:57):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:01:57):
it was weird that they had steps in there, like that's
how she went to the bathroom.
'cause she had to go brush her teeth.
'cause she, she did it in Detroit though.
That was always, I noticed thatwas kind of the running gag
and everything is go do this.
I did it in Detroit.
Well you did it in Detroit,you're gonna do it in Chicago.
Everything else, but yeah, shewas, see, I don't think I would've

(01:02:20):
mine that much with the payphone.
'cause I think I would maybe inthat setting, I'm pretty sure
there's a lot of grease going
in the air.
But

Katie (01:02:30):
Yeah.
And yeah, like that type ofa place, they probably never
clean that phone and you know,

Andrew (01:02:36):
no, I

Katie (01:02:36):
so

Andrew (01:02:37):
they ever cleaned that place.

Katie (01:02:38):
I
think I'm a bit of a germ phobe, somaybe that's why I was like, yeah, I
wouldn't she was really grossed out by it.

Andrew (01:02:44):
I'm

Katie (01:02:44):
I'm

Andrew (01:02:44):
sure they serve the toughest stakes possible.
Those are not prime choice stakes either
at Rockefeller's House of Beef.

Katie (01:02:52):
kind of surprised they got steaks and not just like a
hot dog or something, you know.

Andrew (01:02:56):
Yeah.
She really kind of went all out like,

Katie (01:02:58):
Yeah.

Andrew (01:02:58):
just go to McDonald's?

Katie (01:03:00):
Mm-hmm.
Now the ring that the guy youmentioned the, the guy at the homeless
shelter steals curly sue's ring.
That, that we learn is has some meaning.
A ring was given to her by her mother whenshe was a baby, and that essentially to
her means that you're abandoning me andthen that, that it has paid off later.

(01:03:21):
But it was just like acostume jewelry ring.
Why did he even think that thatwould be worth anything to steal?
Or was that just like a plot device,

Andrew (01:03:31):
I

Katie (01:03:32):
know?

Andrew (01:03:32):
a, I think it was a plot device.
'cause as a kid I was like,oh man, he got ripped off.
He just wants $15.
But once again, when you watch itas an adult, you're like, he knew
that it wasn't worth that much.
Then they make the pawn shop guylike seemed kind of be like nice,
but not nice at the same time.

(01:03:53):
Just gonna give him this$15 and tell him to leave.
But if
he doesn't leave, I'mgonna call the cops on him.

Katie (01:03:58):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:03:58):
that was more of a plot device and to say, this is your one.
Not just sentimental valuable thing, butyour one valuable thing and it got stolen

Katie (01:04:10):
Mm.
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:04:11):
guy.
And
how does she not feel that?

Katie (01:04:13):
Right.

Andrew (01:04:14):
Th that's where, this is where I'm, this is, I, I feel
this is very lazy writing throughsome of this movie as I watch it.
There's a lot of stuff where I'm,I'm starting to question things and
why things got left in,

Katie (01:04:29):
Like what, what else got that got left in?

Andrew (01:04:31):
I don't know if you notice this, and I've watched this movie.
This is the second time probablywatching it in a couple of months and
then watching it all the time as a kid.
So when she
does hit him with The car

Katie (01:04:44):
The next day he actually does.
Yep.
Yep.

Andrew (01:04:46):
next day, and she brings him to the house, the doctor that is there,
did you notice when he was le, I don'teven know why I was like even looking or
anything, but when he's leaving, afterhe gives her a kiss and says, you know,
I'm right upstairs or down the hall orwhatever, he is like picking a wedgie.

(01:05:07):
Like, like Go back.
And I'm like,

Katie (01:05:10):
I did not notice that.

Andrew (01:05:12):
I never, I've watched this, I gotta say I've watched this movie at least
10 times, twice in the past two months.
And that is the first time I ever seen it.
And I'm watching him to watching,I'm like, okay, this is where he
says, you know, I'm right down thehall and I'm trying to pick up on,
I think, 'cause I was tryingto pick up on new things

Katie (01:05:30):
mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:05:30):
and.
If I rewatch a show,like an older show, I'll
pay more attention to the background

Katie (01:05:36):
Right.

Andrew (01:05:37):
or something like that.
And I think that's what I was doing here.
But when he leaves andshe's about to close, right?
When she's about to close the door, he is
picking a wedgie

Katie (01:05:45):
I did not.

Andrew (01:05:46):
And I'm like, why would
you leave that?
Like, why
wouldn't you just

Katie (01:05:49):
you're right.

Andrew (01:05:50):
take.

Katie (01:05:51):
you're right.
Or just cut that last part out, I guess.
Yeah.
'cause I had, this is probably thesecond time I've seen this movie.
And the first one was 30 years ago.
I was more like, why are younot going to the hospital?
With this man that you hit with yourcar, he is a homeless stranger, and
you think, oh, I have this gorgeousthree bedroom, by the way, apartment.

(01:06:16):
She's a single person with a three bedroomapartment in downtown Chicago and has a
housekeeper that's wild in and of itself.
I know that she's wealthy,but three bedrooms

Andrew (01:06:27):
Yeah.

Katie (01:06:27):
downtown Chicago.
Then she's like, I think I just betterbring them to my house and have a
doctor come do a house call on them.

Andrew (01:06:36):
Yeah.
And who, what doctor did
a house call in the nineties?

Katie (01:06:40):
Unless same, I know.

Andrew (01:06:42):
I

Katie (01:06:42):
Unless.

Andrew (01:06:43):
was like, but.

Katie (01:06:44):
That's why she's like, oh, I'll just have my neighbor who's a doctor,
come take a look at you instead of,maybe you need some medical attention
at a hospital for your safety, andB, you're a homeless stranger there.
There is.
Would you, in any world, you're a man.
Even even if you didn't have a familyor anything, would you ever be like

(01:07:05):
come, come Convalesce at my house.

Andrew (01:07:10):
it happened one time.
My wife is
a lot more trusting than I am

Katie (01:07:13):
I am.
not.

Andrew (01:07:14):
up in two different kind of childhoods in a way.
And one time I was sitting on my couchand and she was outside, and all of
a sudden this lady came into my houseand she was like, oh, your wife said
it was okay to use the bathroom.
And I'm like, I was taken aback.
And I was like, oh, o okay.

(01:07:36):
So I went outside and I waslike, did you just tell some
lady she could use her bath?
She was like, yeah.
She said that they were driving aroundand she couldn't find a bathroom,
and we lived like five minutes awayfrom a McDonald's, but like another
five minutes away from like aWalmart, a Denny's or anything else.
And I'm like, this never.
Crossed your mind.

(01:07:57):
So don't, you could people, you couldcome at me how you want, but in my mind
I'm like, this lady's case in my house.
She's case in my house.
She wants to see what I got in there.
'cause she poked her head in thereand did that little look around.
So I like, I, I'm not gonna lie, Icalled the police and I was like,

(01:08:18):
listen, my wife just let somerandom lady in my house and I think.
And then they sat outside in frontof the house for a while and I was
like, I think they're casing my house.
out nothing really came of it.
They didn't have anything going againstthem or anything, but I don't know, I just
didn't feel

Katie (01:08:34):
So were there other people in the car with that She

Andrew (01:08:36):
had a boyfriend or a husband.
There was a guy in the
car with her.

Katie (01:08:41):
Yeah, I wouldn't, because first of all, she, so the
story doesn't even make sense.
So you just stop at arandom residential home?
No, no,

Andrew (01:08:51):
Yeah.

Katie (01:08:52):
no.

Andrew (01:08:52):
Yeah.

Katie (01:08:53):
I'm with you Andrew.
Not happening.

Andrew (01:08:54):
up in I mean, I didn't wanna say I grew up in a bad neighborhood.
Niagara
Falls is not the best area

Katie (01:09:00):
Oh, really?
I've never been.

Andrew (01:09:02):
Oh, okay.
Well, it go, go to the Canadian side.
It is not the best it area.
My uncle always told me, 'causehe moved to Florida, like when
he was young and stuff like that.
He always told me it's agreat place to be from.
It is.
It is a great place to be
from.
It is not what it used to be.

Katie (01:09:18):
Mm

Andrew (01:09:18):
the best.
It's not the best area where my wife grewup in another section of New York where it
was like, you can leaveyour door unlocked and

Katie (01:09:28):
mm.

Andrew (01:09:28):
And Niagara Falls.
It was like you're locking that.
You're locking that.
You're not gonna go to this place, you'renot gonna go to this place, you're not
gonna go to this place type of of area.
It, I don't wanna put down myhometown, but it is not the best.
I went back there a couple years agoafter living in Texas and I was like.
This.
I don't ever
wanna come back to this at all.

Katie (01:09:50):
That's an, I mean, that does make sense if you guys
came from different places.
I came from small town Nebraska, so Icome from the type of place probably
your wife nothing happens here.
It's like small town Nebraska.
But I think I'm just like extremelyleery of people because I hate humans.
As a speech

Andrew (01:10:07):
I,

Katie (01:10:07):
You know, I'm like, I literally have a mug that says I
hate people, so I trust no one.

Andrew (01:10:12):
There you go.

Katie (01:10:14):
Yeah.

Andrew (01:10:14):
You do.
But yeah, I would've not have thatwould when I was rewatching this,
I do believe, I got in my notes.
I'm like, why didn't shejust go to a hospital?
you could have, could have still takenhim to a hospital, dropped him off,
you know, leave your phone number with.

Katie (01:10:28):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:10:29):
You know, the, the billing department at the hospital says, I'm
gonna take care of all of his billing.

Katie (01:10:34):
Yep.

Andrew (01:10:34):
Maybe say, Hey you know, she's probably worried about getting sued.
I'm a high power attorney here.
What could we settle?
I'm pretty sure they would've settledfor a small amount, pocket change
money to her, but these are moneyfor us, you know, type of thing.
So that's what I didn't understand.
Like he just, I.
I felt like
it was, I need to get this done.

Katie (01:10:56):
Yep.

Andrew (01:10:56):
like it's a, it started out something good, like a last
minute book report as a kidwhere I'm gonna do so amazing.
And the next thing you know, yougotta get so many words and then
all of a sudden you're like,if I turn didn't into, did not,
there we go.
I added a word and

Katie (01:11:13):
Increase the font.

Andrew (01:11:15):
Yeah.
You know, everything like that.
To get the pages
hit that extra double space.
Sometimes

Katie (01:11:20):
Yep.

Andrew (01:11:21):
like, oh, I tripled space on that one, but I'm not gonna go back and fix it.
type of deal.
When it came to, when it cameto this I'm just gonna throw
something out there and see
what happens.

Katie (01:11:33):
Yeah, it all happened very quick.
It was like there was the setupand then we see Kelly Lynch
falling in love with Curly Sue.
That is shown, they have two encounters.
There's a montage of them, alleating pizza and getting a, a
proper bath and and going shopping.
And then we see Jim Belushi, youknow, all he big shocker, he cleans
up nice so that they can fall inlove, you know, but they don't show.

(01:11:57):
Aside from the Kelly Lynch falling in lovewith Curly Sue, it's just all of a sudden
because she wants to adopt Curly Sue.
She automatically has this romanticrelationship with Jim Belushi,
where we're not shown that at all.
Right?
I mean, how did they fall in love?
We don't see that.

Andrew (01:12:19):
That's where it, it gets weird 'cause she is pretty disgusted by him,
I felt in a lot of parts and else.
And doesn't she just like, tellhim, almost throw soap at him and
tell him to get into the shower

Katie (01:12:32):
Yeah, probably there's one scene where they're playing the piano
together and he reaches his handaround and that's the extent of,
oh, , they like each other now, but

Andrew (01:12:42):
thought a lot of this stuff
was uh, movie,

Katie (01:12:46):
mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:12:47):
a more pro Hallmark movie when it came to a lot of things where
a lot of things didn't make sense.
There's not a whole lot of backstoryfor a lot of these things like.
I, I applaud, you know, billdancer for taking a young child,
but from a one night stand.

(01:13:08):
That's all.
That's all he said it was, butyet it shows in the montage
of him holding her as a baby.
Was
that, that day?

Katie (01:13:15):
Right.
Right.
'cause it's not, she's not his child.

Andrew (01:13:19):
No.

Katie (01:13:20):
Yeah.
It's interesting.

Andrew (01:13:22):
And you mentioned the montage.
There's tons of montages inthis where they were like, we
just need to speed this up.
Like even when they finallydo go out to dinner, when he
gets all, you know, cleaned
up after, after the shopping montage,which is always something and probably
one movie, then all of a sudden
it's show me your world.

Katie (01:13:42):
Yes,

Andrew (01:13:43):
of like the Aladdin
lady in the Tramp type thing

Katie (01:13:47):
exactly.

Andrew (01:13:48):
show me your world now.
Let us take you out.
And she says, you have no money.
And he says, don't worry.
And now they're riding on the backof garbage trucks and popcorn from
the guy in the movie theater andsneaking curly sue in so they can.
Get into the back door of the movietheater and crashing weddings, and
that was the one thing where shewas like, he does this all the time.

(01:14:09):
I mean, know somebody would belike, why are you being so picky?
But sorry.
If you're a homeless
person, I think I'm gonna pick you
out.

Katie (01:14:16):
Yeah.

Andrew (01:14:17):
a wedding,

Katie (01:14:18):
Right.

Andrew (01:14:19):
wedding reception or a wedding, reception that I'm at

Katie (01:14:21):
Yeah.
He's not
ordinarily cleaned up like that.

Andrew (01:14:24):
Yeah, like I think I'm, I'm picking you up pretty regularly if
you're doing a toast, like, who is

Katie (01:14:30):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:14:31):
Like, is he here?
That was the one thing, now thatI'm went back, when I went back and
watched it, I'm like, doesn't make
sense to me either.

Katie (01:14:40):
And all of a sudden Kelly Lynch is totally cool
with riding in a garbage truck.
She didn't wanna touch the phonefive minutes ago and now, but it's
just like, yeah, we can have so muchfun for free in this awesome city.
And I guess that was sort of how I.
Again, to show us they, they'rebuilding on this relationship,
but it just fell flat.
There wasn't enough there there wasn'tany chemistry, I guess I didn't feel

(01:15:02):
between Kelly Lynch and Jim Belushiand even the shopping scene, who
doesn't love a shopping montage,

Andrew (01:15:09):
Yes.

Katie (01:15:10):
It just fell flat.
There was a lot of opportunitiesthat were missed that really could
have expanded and built upon thesecharacters , and made us believe
the relationship a little bit more.

Andrew (01:15:21):
I enjoy the shopping montage too.
What makes it's, it's a very nostalgicthing as I remember going say.
If I did have to go to wedding receptionas a kid I need a clothes where
you could walk into a Sears or a JCPenney's or Macy's or something and
there would be people at a counter.
I.
That would measure you and everythingelse and say this shirt would fit you.

(01:15:44):
And I remember being measured constantlyas a kid because that was the way that
it was, is you know, you need a new tieor you need something for a school dance.
We
were off at those stores and

Katie (01:15:56):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:15:57):
was.
measured.
Now you walk into those and youcan't find a soul to help you.
So that's kind of like one of the lastshopping montages that you can actually
kind of have where it's in that aspect of
a counter salesperson

Katie (01:16:12):
Unless it's in a, a very like high end place where, you know what I mean?
Like a, where they have likepersonal shoppers and stuff
still, I think that, I don't know.
I wouldn't know, but I assumefor rich people, they have still
very personalized experiences.
I.

Andrew (01:16:27):
The only time I seen anything like counter person is Christmas time.
We went to Macy's and there was
people behind the fragrance counter

Katie (01:16:35):
oh, the memories.
I didn't realize this, but you knowhow I'd mentioned that Curly Sue was
in an episode of The Golden Girls.
It was the same episodethat Ededie McClure was in,

Andrew (01:16:48):
Oh

Katie (01:16:48):
I, yeah, so it was just funny that
Alison Porter and Edie Edie McClureappeared in the same episode.
And that episode aired just a fewweeks before Curly Sue was released.
And I cannot place what episode that was.
I can't picture it.
And I'm like a huge Golden Girl fan.
So anybody out there, , whichepisode was this?
Please, Please tell me.

Andrew (01:17:09):
Yeah, that was a, that was a
staple.
When my grandmother would
watch us

Katie (01:17:12):
Oh, love.

Andrew (01:17:13):
after school

Katie (01:17:14):
It's so good.

Andrew (01:17:15):
Golden Girls, Oprah,
nightly news and everything

Katie (01:17:18):
Oh, the nightly news.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So John Hughes also has a tendency toput little Easter eggs in all of his
movies, and I did take note of it,but only because I was looking for it.
Did you notice that the lawoffice is in the Bueller building?

Andrew (01:17:35):
I did
not.
I've never noticed

Katie (01:17:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's in reference,obviously to Ferris Bueller.

Andrew (01:17:41):
but I noticed the doctor

Katie (01:17:42):
Yeah.

Andrew (01:17:44):
I.

Katie (01:17:47):
Yeah, I guess there was kind of a throwback to the end of Uncle Buck,
which I don't know, I think this isa bit of a stretch, but it's clearly
something that John Hughes did on purpose.
At the end when curly Sue is walkingup the stairs to go to school, she
turns around and waves and smiles,and that is the same as what John
Candy does at the end of Uncle Bach.

Andrew (01:18:07):
Oh, okay.
See, I remembered
I would've never put two to two

Katie (01:18:11):
Yeah.

Andrew (01:18:11):
that one.
Probably 'cause Uncle Buck is like
a hundred times.

Katie (01:18:17):
better.

Andrew (01:18:18):
probably, yeah,

Katie (01:18:18):
Way better.

Andrew (01:18:19):
yeah.
Buck, I would say out of JohnHughes movies, it's Uncle Buck.
And then breakfast Club are oneand two for me when it comes to

Katie (01:18:28):
Okay.

Andrew (01:18:29):
Hughes.
So.
Because I've, I also forgot tomention, I got my daughter into the
John Hughes eighties stuff at onepoint, but she stopped because I had
to be kind of the mean father in away where I not like, mean, mean,
but she watched, what was it, six?

(01:18:49):
No, not
pretty in pink.

Katie (01:18:51):
Okay.

Andrew (01:18:52):
And she was like, duckies, I like Ducky.
And she was like, oh, shewas crushing on Ducky.
I think she had to be almost 15 or16 years old when she watched it.
And she was crushing on Ducky.
And I was, and of course me oryou know, being, being the father
that I am, I'm like, you want tosee what Ducky looks like now?
So I showed her John Cryer and she
was like, yeah, I don't think I wanna.

Katie (01:19:13):
That is hilarious.
It's funny that she liked Ducky'cause he's the dorky one,

Andrew (01:19:18):
Yeah,

Katie (01:19:18):
you know.

Andrew (01:19:19):
it was weird too.
But yeah, she really got intothe the eighties teen movies at

Katie (01:19:24):
Mm-hmm.
I like that she did.
They're fun.

Andrew (01:19:29):
yeah, she wanted to watch Breakfast Club.
I wasn't quite sure because Iremember some of the little bit
more crass stuff that was in it.
So I
waited until she got a littlebit older to watch that.

Katie (01:19:38):
Does she like it?

Andrew (01:19:39):
Yeah.

Katie (01:19:40):
Yeah.
Breakfast club's really good.

Andrew (01:19:42):
16 candles.
I think her favorite was pretty in pink,

Katie (01:19:45):
Okay.

Andrew (01:19:45):
I prefer 16
candles over pretty in pink.

Katie (01:19:48):
I kind of conflate the two.
I recently covered 16 candles andhave not yet covered pretty and pink.
But I guess like of those teenmovies, I really like weird science.

Andrew (01:20:01):
yeah, if
I watched that a lot

Katie (01:20:04):
Yeah,

Andrew (01:20:04):
kid, I even watched the TV series,
which I.

Katie (01:20:08):
no, I did not watch that.

Andrew (01:20:10):
not watch

Katie (01:20:10):
No.

Andrew (01:20:11):
That was, it came out probably.
When did Weird Science come out?
80 45.
Probably around there.
86.

Katie (01:20:19):
I think maybe, I think 86.

Andrew (01:20:23):
So USA had the weird science TV show probably about 10 years after
the movie came out.

Katie (01:20:31):
It was that many years later.

Andrew (01:20:33):
Yeah.
it was.
Have you ever seen kingpin?

Katie (01:20:36):
Yeah.

Andrew (01:20:37):
The, the, blonde hair lady from Kingpin Pays, plays Kelly La Rock's
role on the TV show for weird science.

Katie (01:20:46):
I can't picture it.
It's been a while since I've seen it, but.
Okay.
Interesting.

Andrew (01:20:49):
what she,
plays there.

Katie (01:20:51):
Alright.
Big shocker here.
I'm into kind of some of the triviastuff, but Kelly Lynch had said she
was really excited to work with JohnHughes and what a cute little movie.
But it wasn't such a great time forher because she kind of had to play
like mom between Jim Belushi and JohnHughes, they really did not get along

Andrew (01:21:13):
Oh,

Katie (01:21:13):
and production was even shut down for a little while.
'cause Belushi refused to cometo the set for a period of time.

Andrew (01:21:19):
I liked him when I was younger, but now when I went back and watched
this, I wanted to say, couldn't
you get somebody better?

Katie (01:21:28):
I'm not a Belushi fan.
I, I, yeah,

Andrew (01:21:31):
yeah.
Like I tend to go with theyounger brother, considering I'm
the younger sibling on things.
So even in football, like I'm a bigEli Manning guy over Peyton Manning.

Katie (01:21:41):
Okay.

Andrew (01:21:42):
I, I love Eli.
Like I almost knew my son Eli.
And in this I.
I watched James Belushi, but then mydad was like, Hey, should check out
Blues Brothers an Animal House.

Katie (01:21:54):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:21:54):
I saw John was like, James is horrible compared to John.
Like the, the charisma factor is way off.
So I always thought it was weirdto have Jim Belushi in this role.
I can't think of anybody probablyat this time that would probably
take a role like this, but thinking.
Maybe it wasn't always meant forhim, and I was getting that feeling

(01:22:15):
throughout this whole entire time.
So when you told me thatI could definitely believe
that there's like that, this
tension between the two.

Katie (01:22:22):
I have a cent trivia about who else was considered for the role.

Andrew (01:22:26):
Okay.

Katie (01:22:27):
But just on Jim Belushi for a second he's better in some things than
others, but he doesn't have charisma yet.
He has had a magnificent career.

Andrew (01:22:37):
I think it's the name.

Katie (01:22:39):
Yeah, maybe.

Andrew (01:22:41):
I mean, even Chris Penn had a good career,

Katie (01:22:43):
True.
You're right.

Andrew (01:22:44):
but I, Chris Penn, I feel from watching re
Reservoir Dogs, like feel he's.
Not quite with his brother, his brother's

Katie (01:22:54):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:22:54):
but I feel like it's kind of more than what Jim had
compared to John in a way.
Like I can understand Chris, whereChris was, did a lot of under stuff
where Jim, I felt like tried to shootfor the moon and be his brother.
It just never compared.
'cause I think he's in Blues Brothers2000 and that movie just wasn't

(01:23:16):
like, why did you even make this?
I understand the Blues Brothers aregreat, but it's not, it's not the same.

Katie (01:23:25):
Right.

Andrew (01:23:26):
it's Jake and Ellwood, not, you know,
Ellwood and all these other guys that

Katie (01:23:30):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:23:31):
up like 'em.
They just dress up like a blues brother.

Katie (01:23:35):
I must just be the name because like he had a really long
running TV series that was supermediocre, but it ran forever.
I don't know.
Ah,

Andrew (01:23:42):
Yeah, then he
Then he started growing marijuana.
I guess he had his own show where it
was just about him growingmarijuana or something.

Katie (01:23:50):
I missed that.

Andrew (01:23:51):
always see it like if I go through stuff and it's like
calling Growing Belushi,

Katie (01:23:55):
I've never heard of that.

Andrew (01:23:57):
just a
big marijuana leaf right there.

Katie (01:23:59):
All right.

Andrew (01:24:00):
So he's.

Katie (01:24:02):
Well, bill Murray turned down the role.
'Cause he was busy shooting.
What about Bob?
But even that okay,Kelly Lynch is gorgeous.
You got, I mean, come on, get somebody.
Bill Murray is not an attractive man.
And
she,

Andrew (01:24:15):
guy.

Katie (01:24:15):
I could, I can see.
I could see it.
Yeah.
But I think originally Alec Baldwinwas supposed to play bill dancer.

Andrew (01:24:26):
Okay.

Katie (01:24:26):
Which, which makes way more sense that tracks for Kelly Lynch.
I could buy them as a couple, you know.

Andrew (01:24:34):
yeah.

Katie (01:24:35):
But he was doing a streetcar named Desire, the Broadway production.
So he was unavailable and then liketons of these other people were
considered for bill, like j JohnTravolta, Jeff Goldblum, Michael
Keaton, Richard Dreyfus, Kurt Russell.
That would've been good.
Kurt Russell would've been great.
John

(01:24:55):
Goodman, Sylvester Stallone,

Andrew (01:24:58):
would've been horrible.

Katie (01:24:59):
John Goodman or Stallone.

Andrew (01:25:01):
Stallone.

Katie (01:25:02):
Yeah.
I agree.
I'm a

Andrew (01:25:04):
seen that?
What is it?
The
comedy where

Katie (01:25:08):
I

Andrew (01:25:08):
the mobster

Katie (01:25:10):
Oscar, I.

Andrew (01:25:11):
Yes.
Oscar.
Oh my.
I fall for that one all the time.
I'm like, oh, Oscar's here.
I'm think I'm gonna watch this.
And I watch it.
I'm like, this is not what I
want it to

Katie (01:25:19):
Granted, I haven't seen it in a while, but I recall really liking it.
And you might not be aware, Andrew,but I have another show that I do.
I'm on a Rocky Series podcast, so I havea soft spot for Stallone, but this would
be, he would not be good in this at all.

Andrew (01:25:34):
I, he's very.
It depends on the role.
I'm not a big sly, like in a
comedy role type deal.

Katie (01:25:43):
people aren't.
It is not.
It's not his strong suit.

Andrew (01:25:46):
I want same.
kind of pulled it

Katie (01:25:49):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:25:50):
twins, but I think that's
because he had Danny DeVito with him

Katie (01:25:53):
Yeah.

Andrew (01:25:54):
was kind of like a way to play it off.
If you're an action guy and youtry and go into comedy, I feel
like it doesn't,

Katie (01:26:00):
It's tough.
It's harder than it looks, I think.
Yeah.

Andrew (01:26:03):
doesn't work for you.

Katie (01:26:04):
Yeah.
Also, Mel Gibson, Ray Liotta,Jeff Bridges, Steve Gutenberg,
Bruce Willis and Tom Selleck.

Andrew (01:26:13):
I would've gone with Bruce Willis.

Katie (01:26:14):
I can see Bruce Wills being really good.

Andrew (01:26:17):
I think Bruce Willis is more
every man out of all thoseguys where he's not like.
Wow, look at him.
But he makes sense,
especially if you watchedMoonlighting or anything.

Katie (01:26:30):
That's true.
I, I adore Kurt Russell, buthe's probably too good looking.
Maybe.
Maybe.
But I can buy.
And anyway, anyway, so that was,

Andrew (01:26:39):
what I see, Kurt Russell, I think of
Oh, huh.
I could see, yeah, he would, I couldsee him in that, 'cause he kind of
did this in a way with Overboard

Katie (01:26:49):
Right.
Yeah,

Andrew (01:26:51):
little, you know, impoverished guy that just trying to make it through the
world.
So I, I could see that

Katie (01:26:57):
he's very
charming Too.
I can see like that you know, beingimpressive to Kelly Lynch's character.
But yeah, I would've, I would'veliked pretty much anybody else.
I.
No except for Richard Dreyfuss not a fan.
That would've been horrible.
I don't like that.
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:27:14):
no, I'm, I he kind of too dorky, like, why would you fall in love with
the, it's horrible, the homeless dork asI got on my action figure is behind me.
But once again, why wouldyou, why would you, you know,
fall for and he's so kind of

(01:27:35):
whiny.

Katie (01:27:36):
He is whiny and I think he's also notorious for being hard to work with.
So I don't know, I, Iwouldn't have cast him.

Andrew (01:27:42):
I am trying to think who else that's, yeah.
I would've gone with Bruce Willis.
I think I would've

Katie (01:27:47):
Yeah, I think that's a good call.

Andrew (01:27:49):
he

Katie (01:27:49):
Um,

Andrew (01:27:50):
he would've done better.
Kurt Russell.
I could see.

Katie (01:27:53):
I.

Andrew (01:27:54):
he can get that, that grit to him.
I think you need somebody with alittle bit of grit where I don't
think Bill Murray's got that.
Streetwise grit to himas much he's just more
like witty in a way.

Katie (01:28:09):
Yeah, I could.
You're, I see what you're saying.
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:28:12):
I need, I need a guy that look good.
Dirty.

Katie (01:28:16):
Ray,
Ray Liotta was, was another one, I guess.
And he's like attractive,but not overly so,

Andrew (01:28:22):
plus it all depends on what movies I've seen him in before.
And if I gotta relate him to that,like I'm a Big Sopranos fan and my
wife will watch shows and see a guyfrom The Sopranos and there was a
guy that, he was a snitch and shewas like on one of her doctor shows.
And I was like, that's that rat Jimmy.
And she was like, what?
I was like, that's the rat.

(01:28:42):
Jimmy.
Jimmy Ratted on him.

Katie (01:28:45):
From Sopranos.
Oh God, that's such, that's stilllike in my top five shows of all time.
I love it so much.
Mm-hmm.
Christina Ricci, I guess,was the first choice.
That's who John Hughes wanted to play.
Curly Sue 'cause he hadseen her in mermaids.

Andrew (01:29:00):
Oh yeah she was great at

Katie (01:29:02):
Mm-hmm.
But She was busy shooting the AdamsFamily, which is a great movie.
Also from 91.

Andrew (01:29:09):
I can't believe that's 91.

Katie (01:29:10):
I know.

Andrew (01:29:11):
I want to like
place it later, but.

Katie (01:29:14):
I know right.
And Natasha Leone auditioned for the partand I could see her doing a good job.
The, just a redheadedversion of Curly Sue.
But I really liked, I li I hadno problem with our curly Sue.
I thought she, she did a good job.

Andrew (01:29:30):
no, she was good.

Katie (01:29:31):
So any, any guesses for who was considered for Kelly Lynch's character?
Gray Ellison?

Andrew (01:29:38):
Geez, at this point.

Katie (01:29:39):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:29:42):
I'm trying to think who was big and I, you probably got what Meryl Streep,
but she's probably too high

Katie (01:29:48):
She's too big.
Yeah.

Andrew (01:29:50):
Yeah, I'm trying to think.
Geez, she's probably
Cher, but she's doing mermaids.

Katie (01:29:58):
Mm-hmm.
I could
See a.

Andrew (01:30:01):
Keaton, but

Katie (01:30:03):
Ooh, good.
Yeah.
Good, good call.
But that, that movie was kindof already made baby boom.
She kind of already Yeah,she already did that.

Andrew (01:30:11):
watching that as a kid.
My mother was
a big fan of the movie, baby Boom.

Katie (01:30:14):
Me too.

Andrew (01:30:15):
still remember her
making her own Baby

Katie (01:30:18):
food.

Andrew (01:30:18):
Yes.

Katie (01:30:19):
business.
'cause she was the high powered,this was the thing of the eighties.
Maybe the high poweredsingle lady with no kids.
And then watch her fish Outta Water storywith that kind of a woman now loving.
Being a mother

Andrew (01:30:31):
Yep.

Katie (01:30:32):
Linda Hamilton was considered and she was unavailable 'cause she
was doing T two and then a bunch ofother ladies, including, I could see
almost all of these doing a good job.
I had no problem with Kelly Lynch, butshe didn't blow it out of the water.
So Gina Davis,

Andrew (01:30:47):
I would've loved
that.
I am a big fan of Gina

Katie (01:30:50):
me too.

Andrew (01:30:51):
gone back and watched some Family Ties episodes and
she was great in that as

Katie (01:30:55):
Who was she in?
Family Ties.

Andrew (01:30:57):
So, Baxter was.
at that

Katie (01:31:02):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:31:03):
I think they were playing off that she was sick or
something, she wasn't on the show,
so she was the housekeeper.

Katie (01:31:09):
Gina Davis.
Oh.

Andrew (01:31:11):
but she wasn't like a normal housekeeper.
She came from, I guess afamily of kind of providence.
Like she was a, almost like atrust fund baby, but she wanted
to prove that she could do things.
So she was a terrible housekeeper.
But they kept her Keenot Michael a, you know,

Katie (01:31:29):
Alex p Keaton.

Andrew (01:31:30):
thought she was good looking

Katie (01:31:32):
Shocking.

Andrew (01:31:32):
the father felt bad for her.
So it was kind of like one of those, howdefinitely the show is where, he's the
more liberal one and he feels bad for her'cause she's just trying to make her way.
But then the conservative guy'slike, well she's pretty good
looking so let's just keep her on.
And she like burns food
and everything else.

Katie (01:31:53):
I do not recall this at all, and I thought I had seen all
of family ties, but I guess not.

Andrew (01:31:58):
I've watched some good portion of it and there was
some people on there where I waslike, oh my goodness, I forgot.
Like chunk from the Goonies is
on There and everything else.

Katie (01:32:07):
There were a lot of guest stars that I, I can remember, but
yeah, I, I, I really do like her.
I like Kirsti Ali too.
She was considered

Andrew (01:32:15):
but I don't think I'd like her in this

Katie (01:32:16):
yeah, I can, I kind of agree.
Olivia Newton John, Idon't really have feelings.
I don't care.
I don't, she's just like, eh, to me.

Andrew (01:32:25):
I think she's just there in a lot of roles.
Like even in Greece, she's like thestar, but she's just like there.
That falls behind the
scenes compared to a Rizzo or

Katie (01:32:34):
right.

Andrew (01:32:35):
anybody else.

Katie (01:32:36):
She doesn't have that charisma.
I agree.
Laura Dern, Andy McDowell,who I can see Andy

Andrew (01:32:43):
Yeah.

Katie (01:32:44):
also doing a good job.
Sigourney Weaver.
Jamie Lee Curtis.

Andrew (01:32:50):
I could see Jamie Lee Curtis, so Gorney Weaver maybe.
'cause if it's a role in, youknow, the whole Alien series,
just feel like she would overpower,

Katie (01:33:01):
I think so too.

Andrew (01:33:03):
Jim Belushi in there.
like she would just overpower that

Katie (01:33:06):
I think so
too.

Andrew (01:33:07):
like even more than Kelly Lynch did.

Katie (01:33:09):
Kathleen Turner, who probably hadn't been in a whole lot in
a little while at this time, I.

Andrew (01:33:15):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:33:16):
Then also Goldie Hawn.
I think it would've been hilariousif it was Goldie Ha and Kurt Russell

Andrew (01:33:22):
Yeah.

Katie (01:33:22):
back together again.

Andrew (01:33:26):
Favorite goalie ha movie
is Wildcats.
That's my favorite

Katie (01:33:29):
I don't think I've seen Wildcat

Andrew (01:33:30):
ever seen where she

Katie (01:33:32):
is like the football coach or something.

Andrew (01:33:34):
it is great 'cause it's, opposite of way that Kelly buried in
portrayed in this, where, she has to
earn the respect of the

Katie (01:33:44):
Yeah, I.

Andrew (01:33:44):
She's not as rr but she is, in a way, it's, it's very good.
other part I found weird in thewriting in this is the boss, if
you notice at the end, beginning,he says, relax, don't go so hard.
And then all of a sudden atthe end he's like, ease up.
No, he's like, he'slike, what are you doing?

Katie (01:34:05):
Where have you been?

Andrew (01:34:05):
Yeah, back away from this.
And then where have you been?
Get away
and everything.
It's like, what do you
want from her

Katie (01:34:11):
Yeah, he tells her to take it easy, there was also a weird storyline,
like half, half storyline that theydidn't really do anything with, , the
wife who, so there's a divorce happening.
Kelly Lynch is representing thewife and she's really going hard.
And what's his face?

Andrew (01:34:29):
The Fred Thompson

Katie (01:34:30):
Fred Thompson.
Yeah,

Andrew (01:34:31):
Yeah,

Katie (01:34:32):
he, he's like, no, no, no, no.
, The husband doesn't want adivorce, but he doesn't wanna be
with her or something like that.
Like it would cost him too much money.
I.

Andrew (01:34:40):
Or, yeah, he doesn't wanna give her anything.
She doesn't, he wants the divorce.
She doesn't want the divorce, but hedoesn't want to give her anything.
So he's like a city council member orsomething because she uses the dirt.
That she's got on him to get Curly Sue
out of child ProtectiveServices because her boyfriend,

(01:35:02):
Mr.
Walt Walker

Katie (01:35:04):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:35:05):
Child Protective Services.
'cause He's mad

Katie (01:35:07):
He's jealous.
Yeah.

Andrew (01:35:09):
You know, Jim Belushi's getting what he has and everything
so she like uses that against him,which is the city council member is.
I forget what his name is,
plays in Beverly Hills Cop

Katie (01:35:21):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

Andrew (01:35:25):
he's in Beverly Hills Cop.
But yeah, they were like, Hey,we're gonna put this subplot in
the beginning, but now we're not
gonna go back to it until we need it.

Katie (01:35:34):
But it sort of doesn't make sense though, because , then after
Kelly Lynch softens up and is nolonger like a killer with this divorce,
she somehow then convinces the wifethat she really loves him still and
doesn't wanna get a divorce at all.
And then Fred Thompsonis like, no, no, no.
He doesn't want that.

Andrew (01:35:52):
Yeah,

Katie (01:35:53):
I was like, what?
What's the point of this?
Like, why was this a part of this movie?

Andrew (01:35:59):
The only time it came into play was
to pull a favor with a city official.

Katie (01:36:03):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:36:04):
And that was after that It was done.

Katie (01:36:06):
But the back and forth of what the husband and wife wanted, I was like, why?
Why is this here?
I don't know.
Weird.

Andrew (01:36:11):
it was.
They just had it added in.
So later on they could go backand say, oh, see, this is why.
It's, it's very, Very very odd.

Katie (01:36:21):
very, odd.

Andrew (01:36:22):
I could see why this is his last big kind of writing and stuff
like that, other than anything else.
'cause it's just not as coming ofage or anything of that nature as it.
thing too about this I don't thinkit automatically knew what it
wanted to be.

(01:36:42):
a way,

Katie (01:36:43):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:36:43):
does it wanna be a heartwarming comedy, or do you want it to do
like a slapstick comedy in a way?
Because there was a lot of part where shehits him at the board and he goes flying,
or gets thrown into the van then therewas sound effects like, what are we do?
what are we

Katie (01:37:01):
That's from home alone.
I noticed that when we coveredDennis the menace too, like he
pulls a lot from home alone.

Andrew (01:37:07):
But then it's the menace.
I could see it, but
in this what do you want it

Katie (01:37:10):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:37:11):
That's one of the things like when I, when we review a movie is,
doesn't know what it wants to

Katie (01:37:16):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:37:17):
We just reviewed a movie called Bingo that.
Probably is a cult classic.
It's about a boy.
It's like a
parody of a boy of his dog.

Katie (01:37:24):
Oh,

Andrew (01:37:25):
And it's, it's very, very absurd.
Very
problem child.
Early nineties peewee,
big adventure mold.

Katie (01:37:34):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:37:34):
like we gave it pretty high ratings, but that's only because
we knew it.
It knew what it

Katie (01:37:40):
Right.

Andrew (01:37:41):
when it comes to Curly Sue, as great as it is, like
when I'm watching it now.
I don't think it knows what it wantsto be and it, directions, like we said,
are in nine different directions andit doesn't give you any type of detail
of why, why this came to be in a way.

Katie (01:38:00):
Yeah, it's sort of like, it goes 75% of the way there and then
falls short in a lot of different ways.
It's a basic movie and there'snothing wrong with a basic movie,

Andrew (01:38:08):
no.

Katie (01:38:09):
I, it could have been something special.
And I do think that Hughes has atthis time he's lost a little bit of
his magic is, my closing thoughts.
What about you?
What are your closingthoughts on Curly Sue Andrew?

Andrew (01:38:22):
yeah, I just feel like he's lost his magic.
I'm, like I said, I'm into wrestling.
There's a.
A term, you know, you, you book awrestler and you book a storyline
and of the guys that I listen to
uses a term lazy booking

Katie (01:38:35):
Mm.

Andrew (01:38:35):
just feel this is lazy

Katie (01:38:37):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:38:38):
Hughes part.
This is a guy that turnedout classic after classic and
I, that the magic was gone.
There's nothing that it, it's here.
I think it's a great movie.
Or down, down, down the road if Ihad grandkids or something, or if
I'm babysitting younger kids and it'sthere, but it's not my first choice

(01:39:03):
to show somebody that like it's.
It.
It's like you're scrollingthrough streaming 'cause you don't
know what to watch, so you'rejust on Netflix or something.
All of a sudden you'relike, oh, there's Curly Sue.
But then something elseis right next to it.
Like Ferris Beeler's Day off,
I'm gonna go to Ferris Bueller.

Katie (01:39:22):
A hundred percent.

Andrew (01:39:23):
That's where,
that's where it lies.

Katie (01:39:26):
Yeah.

Andrew (01:39:27):
Bound, the Incredible Journey.

Katie (01:39:28):
Oh yeah.
I listened to that one.

Andrew (01:39:30):
Yeah.
I was like no, no.
this.
is, this is not for me anymore

Katie (01:39:35):
Yeah.
It's funny when you revisit things.

Andrew (01:39:36):
Yeah.
And, and I feel the, kindof the same with Curly Sue.
I'm not seeking this out as an

Katie (01:39:42):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:39:42):
I, this is probably my last viewing of Curly Sue for this
That's probably it.
I will
talk highly of it justbecause of my nostalgia

Katie (01:39:53):
Mm-hmm.

Andrew (01:39:54):
a family thing, but other than that, it's.
It's kind of a wayside movie.
It's the, $5 bin atWalmart, , with the DOSA DVDs.
That's, but I, I, enjoy it if Iwatch it, but it's not anything
I'm seeking out anytime soon.
And the wheels have definitelyfell off at this part.
The magic's gone.
You're not

(01:40:16):
what you used to do,

Katie (01:40:17):
I concur.
Which is sad because this is hislast, effort as a director and
it's not what we really want.
It's not the way we want him to goout, so to speak I know it seems
we're being a little hard on it, butit's I think sometimes that happens
when you have high expectations whensomebody puts out such great work.
And then, this isn't a bad movie,but it's not a great movie.

(01:40:38):
But it was fun reminiscingabout it with you, Andrew, and,

Andrew (01:40:42):
was great.
I had a great
time.

Katie (01:40:43):
Also, some of the pop culture from 1991.
It was fun to go back in time with you.
Thank you so much forjoining me on Retro Made.
Please tell us where we can find you.

Andrew (01:40:55):
You find us.
I have a YouTube channel, but that'smore just kind of doing let's plays
and if we do anything a little bitmore visual, I'll put that up there.
I'm on a network, theB-I-C-B-P Radio Network.
You can find us there.
Spotify, apple Podcast.
We're.
Kind of had a little bitproblem with our feed.
So my friend who runs thenetwork is archiving our old

(01:41:17):
episodes into our new feed.
That should all
be caught up after a while.

Katie (01:41:22):
Awesome.
Well, I will have links to wherewe can find you in the show notes.
So thanks again, Andrew,

Andrew (01:41:29):
This

Katie (01:41:29):
that
That's it for our look at Curly Sue, abittersweet end to Hugh's directorial run.
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