Home Alone 2: Lost in New York | S2E19 - Retromade

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Katie (01:17):
Hello.
Hello, I'm Katie and welcome back toRetro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.
We are heading back to 1992 today, ayear of slapstick traps talk boys and
Turtle Doves to revisit Home Alone.
Two lost in New York.
It's bigger, louder, and somehow evenmore chaotic than the original set
against the perfect early nineties

(01:38):
backdrop of a neon windbreakerCrystal Pepsi and boy bands.
Just starting to form.
Let's see if Kevin's second round ofmayhem still holds up, or if the sequel
should have been left at the plaza.
I'm so excited to have anew guest to Retro Made.
This is our third try.

(02:00):
We finally got him on.
We have from the Directors Chair Network.
Also all apologies podcast.
Andy, tell us about youand your show, Andy.

Andy (02:10):
Hi Katie.
Glad we finally got to do this.
All apologies podcast is I'm a frequentguest host on who are these podcasts,
which is a far bigger show than my show.
And that is a roast style comedyshow of ridiculous podcasts making
fools of themselves on the internet.
And I've spun that off intothe same format, only targeting

(02:36):
apology tours from celebrities.
We just covered Alec Baldwin

Katie (02:40):
Oh

Andy (02:41):
we like to look at a lot of, I Joel Osman getting drunk at a
ski lodge and arrested in a parkinglot dash cam type of footage.

Katie (02:51):
love it.

Andy (02:52):
those are the type of things that we like to cover on all apologies.
But I'm also doing, Edgar Wright'sfilms for the Directors Chair network.
So we've done Shauna, the Deadand Hot Fuzz and Scott Pilgrim and
I did Edgar Wright's IndependentFilm Fist Full of Fingers with
Ryan, who of course, you know.
So, that's what I'm up to.

(03:14):
And you can find all that at all.
Apologies podcast.com

Katie (03:17):
As I was getting ready this morning, I listened to
the Scott Pilgrim episode.
Nicely done.

Andy (03:22):
Thank you.
Yeah, that was, that's myfavorite one, obviously.
Well, I'm a bass player that grew up inthe eighties with eight bit Nintendo, so,
I'm going to be a fan of Scott Pilgrim.

Katie (03:33):
Yes.

Andy (03:34):
of my favorite movies.
Yeah.

Katie (03:35):
Awesome.
Well this is 92.
So what we do here on Retro MadeAndy, is we set the stage, go back in
time to a simpler time, shall we say.
So today we're going back to 1992.
So we are gonna open thetime capsule from 1992.
we have a wheel to spin.
I will spin on your behalf.

(03:56):
We'll come to a category and I'llask you some trivia questions.
We did cover 1992 alreadywith the Beethoven episode.
I don't know if you're awarethat John Hughes wrote Beethoven.

Andy (04:08):
No, I didn't,

Katie (04:09):
He did.

Andy (04:11):
Watch it, so I won't no spoilers, so I didn't see that one yet.

Katie (04:15):
that wasn't one that you as a kid watched with the big fluffy dog.

Andy (04:19):
I don't know why.
Yeah.
That one missed me.
Maybe I was a little too old

Katie (04:23):
Mm,

Andy (04:23):
something that appeared to be a children's movie.
Is that a

Katie (04:28):
definitely a children's.

Andy (04:29):
Groden in that?

Katie (04:30):
Yep.
Yep.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (04:31):
Yeah.
Also, I'm not a fan of Charles Groin,

Katie (04:33):
Okay.
Well then, there you go.
So that was, so listeners go backand check out some more trivia from
1992 and Beethoven in that episode.
Gonna spin for you.
See what we come to
I make 'em pretty easy.
Okay.
Boombox, bangers.

Andy (04:53):
Great.

Katie (04:54):
These are the top five songs on the billboard charts
for the entire year of 1992.
Okay.
I make 'em a little too easy.
But we have four Philadelphia menthat were the Kings of r and b.
Slow jams that might,

Andy (05:09):
Boys to Boys to

Katie (05:10):
yes.
And what's the what's the song?
92, number one?

Andy (05:15):
Slow jam.
End of the road.

Katie (05:17):
Very good.
Very good.
The number two song celebratedcurvy women everywhere with a
very unforgettable opening line.
Do I need to say the opening line?

Andy (05:30):
baby.
Got back, sir.
Mixa

Katie (05:31):
Yes.
I like big.
And I cannot lie.
Yeah.
Uhhuh.

Andy (05:36):
Oh, that.

Katie (05:37):
Well, the yeah, actually there's two kind of opening lines
that they could be referring to.
You're correct.
And did you say whothe, who the singer was.

Andy (05:45):
sir.
Mix

Katie (05:46):
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
No cheating here.
I remember being in like gradeschool really liking this.
This group performed by twobackwards clothes wearing teens.
This energetic rap hit told youexactly what to do twice in its title.

Andy (06:04):
Yeah.
Jump by crisscross.

Katie (06:06):
Very good.
Were, were you a fan?

Andy (06:10):
I never wore my clothing backwards.
I'll say that, but I think I was afan of, crisscross as a, as a child.
Watching children become famous

Katie (06:21):
Yep.

Andy (06:21):
was fun.

Katie (06:23):
They're like 12

Andy (06:24):
I re Yeah.

Katie (06:25):
Daddy Mac and Mac Daddy.
Yeah.
The number four song is an elegant Balladby a former Miss America contestant.
Top the Charts as she sang aboutlife's surprises, reminding us that
sometimes the sun goes around the moon.

Andy (06:45):
Yeah.
Vanessa Williams, the best for last.

Katie (06:48):
Very good.
All right, the last one, you're on a roll.
This r and b trio from Atlantaharmonized their way through a 92 hit
that repeated its title three times.
Just like the group's name Nearly does

Andy (07:06):
Hmm.
This is a tough one.
Atlanta Trio.

Katie (07:11):
women.

Andy (07:12):
say Tony.
Tony.
Tony.
But I don't know the song.

Katie (07:15):
It's not Tony, Tony, Tony, but it's in a harmonized their way through 92.
I think that was kind of a miss thatlast, the similar to the name, it's,

Andy (07:26):
it was off put.

Katie (07:28):
yeah.
Mm-hmm.
It is a misdirect.
It's letters, the group's name is letters

Andy (07:35):
Hmm.

Katie (07:36):
women.
No, really t Close, close.
Close.
That was a TLC.

Andy (07:44):
TLC was back then.

Katie (07:46):
With that, that first album, TLC.
And the song is Baby, baby, baby,baby, baby, baby, baby, baby.

Andy (07:55):
think I know that one.

Katie (07:55):
Yeah.
You do.

Andy (07:57):
with not knowing that

Katie (07:58):
Okay.

Andy (07:58):
fine.

Katie (07:59):
Okay.
Okay.

Andy (08:00):
Not perfect.
Everyone, that's what we're trying to say.
That's

Katie (08:03):
let's,

Andy (08:04):
when they did that slam with Michael Jackson.

Katie (08:07):
Oh, terrible.
All right, we're gonna spin again.
Let's get another category for you.

Andy (08:14):
Yeah.

Katie (08:16):
Totally tasty.
And

Andy (08:20):
one to me.

Katie (08:20):
this is snacks, foods, drinks, stuff like that.

Andy (08:25):
Hmm.

Katie (08:26):
Okay.
92.
All right.
There's, I, they're so easy.
This prepackaged meals targeted atkids became incredibly popular in 92,
offered a combination of crackers, delimeats, cheese, and sometimes sweets
in a convenient, portable package.
What was it?

Andy (08:45):
Lunchables, I used to work in a dairy cooler where they stocked
Lunchables and sometimes they wouldaccidentally get slashed with a box cutter
and, it would be able to have a snack

Katie (09:02):
Accidentally,

Andy (09:03):
the Cool.

Katie (09:04):
oh my God.
I would be the worst employee at aplace where there was food that I liked.
'cause I would accidentallyruin things a lot.

Andy (09:10):
Yeah, but that the meat that comes in the lunch bowls is disgusting.
I don't know

Katie (09:15):
I,

Andy (09:16):
passes.
FDA

Katie (09:18):
well, we don't have the strongest of let's, well I'll just leave that there.
America doesn't have thestrongest regulations.
But I remember as a kid, 'cause wecould not bring our lunch to school.
I went to a Catholic school.
We had to eat at the cafeteriaand every once in a blue moon we'd
have a day where it was a big deal.
You could bring your lunch.

(09:38):
And I always wanted to bring Lunchablesand my mom's like, no, that's so dumb.
There's four things.
It, it's not a good lunch.

Andy (09:46):
I remember when I was, I mean this is going even further
back, but I also went to Catholicschool and there was certain days
of the month where they would.
You could opt to have happy mealsfrom McDonald's shipped into the,
like kindergarten or first grade.
It was a big deal to get it, and itwas an even bigger deal to not get it,

(10:07):
which I have a twin brother and youngparents, so oftentimes we didn't have
money for McDonald's lunch at school.
But yeah, that, that was a, whenyou talk about regulations and
things that shouldn't be fedto children in schools, getting

Katie (10:24):
McDonald's.

Andy (10:25):
school was maybe fun, but Ill conceived.

Katie (10:31):
Also, was there DoorDash at this time?
How's this?
I mean, somebody justvolunteered to go pick a bunch,

Andy (10:38):
I,

Katie (10:39):
pick a bunch of happy meals up.

Andy (10:39):
probably some handshake deal that they had with the,
the church and McDonald's

Katie (10:45):
The church.
Love it.
Okay, let's see.
I mean, there was a lot of junk food fromthis time that was, marketed towards kids.
And speaking of whichand I, I loved it all.
I loved this next one, Totinos.
This thing, Totino's Blank becamewidely popular as a convenient snack.

(11:06):
Click to prepare smallbite-sized pizza snacks.
Staple for school agedkids and busy families.

Andy (11:13):
Yeah.
Sleepover food.

Katie (11:15):
What was it?

Andy (11:16):
food.

Katie (11:17):
What was the name of it?

Andy (11:18):
rolls,

Katie (11:19):
rolls.
Yes.
Pizza rolls.
God, I loved pizza rolls.

Andy (11:23):
Yeah.
We didn't, we didn't havethose so much in my house.
I remember trying them though andthinking that they were disgusting.
The remember what is it called?
The gum that had the liquid on the inside.

Katie (11:36):
Oh, like Gushers or, oh, so

Andy (11:39):
yeah.
Well, it was like gushers.
Yeah.
And basically a Totino'spizza roll was just like hot

Katie (11:46):
a hot version,

Andy (11:47):
cat food gushing into your

Katie (11:49):
cat food.

Andy (11:50):
It's, it sucks.
Oh, I got her.
She's dying everyone.

Katie (11:55):
I am dying.
No, I I sound a little off.
I have a cold.
I'm sorry, everyone.
So I'm hacking up along when I mute.
This next one, I gotta say Iadored them and my parents were
like, they're so fake tasting.
How do you like these?
But, but Chips Ajoy introduced a newversion of their iconic chocolate chip

(12:16):
cookies and they became a huge hit.
So the regular chips, Ajoy has a blue bag.
These had a different texture thanthe original crispier version.

Andy (12:28):
Oh yeah.

Katie (12:29):
What was this new version and what color bag was it in?

Andy (12:33):
Hmm.
Okay, because I immediatelyrun to and think of soft batch,
which I think is a different

Katie (12:40):
It's a different brand, but you're on the exact right lines.

Andy (12:44):
if it's Chips Ahoy, it's, it's like the red chunky.
What?
Soft.
Soft batch.
Chunky Chips.
Ahoy.

Katie (12:51):
Yeah, it's chewy, chewy Chips Ahoy is what it was.

Andy (12:55):
Okay.

Katie (12:55):
it was in a red bag and they did taste like plastic a little bit.
Like you could taste the chemicalsor whatever that was in them.
But I loved them 'cause Iliked that they were soft.
I don't know.
I man, red bag Chips Ahoy.
Anyone else?

Andy (13:10):
Well, when you're a kid, they feel like sugar is just a dopamine
spike straight to your brain.
You don't even realize that it tasteslike your palate matures as an adult.
'cause I have the same opinionof Oreos, which when I was.

Katie (13:26):
Mm.

Andy (13:26):
A burnout.
I would eat a whole sleeve of Oreosand watch The Simpsons and just be
the, the happiest stoner in town.
But now when I eat Oreos, it tastesnothing but like chemicals to me.
So I can, I could see how, I remember,you know, like I said, I used, I also
used to deliver or pick up recycling,you know, adjacent to a garbage man.

(13:51):
And I would just cake and cookies forbreakfast and lunch and just run it off.
And I would eat soft batchcookies like all day, every day.
And the very thought ofeating one now is repellent.
I don't want that in any single way.

Katie (14:09):
No, it is kind of wild.
I mean, you know, what's kind of sad isthat some people's tastes don't mature.
Some children grow up eating junk foodand grow up into adults only wanting that.
It's,

Andy (14:21):
Yeah.

Katie (14:21):
sad.
Thankfully I eat vegetables.
I don't, you know.

Andy (14:25):
Lose their teeth and get diabetes?

Katie (14:28):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
There's a couple that are similar.
Let's see, were these both 92 now?
I'm kind of questioning.
There were two Pepsi versionsthat seemed very similar.
Okay.
We have one that is notoriousfor being a marketing failure
despite having a futuristic appeal.
It was discontinued after just a year.

(14:50):
And it's just now considered acuriosity in pop culture nineties.

Andy (14:54):
is 92,

Katie (14:55):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (14:56):
I thought that was older.

Katie (14:57):
What was it?

Andy (14:58):
Chris Crystal Pepsi, right?

Katie (15:01):
Well, yeah.
Okay.
So is that the same thing as Pepsi?
Clear is.

Andy (15:06):
Yeah, I would.
I would think so.
It

Katie (15:10):
Pure.

Andy (15:11):
to be.

Katie (15:11):
Yeah, it's , crystal clear Pepsi marketed as a pure and
healthier alternative to regularPepsi, but it did not gain traction.
But, as with a lot of things, have younoticed like clearly Canadian is back,
like some of those throwback brands?
It has a resurgence in recent years,thanks to nostalgia for nineties products.

Andy (15:34):
Yeah, I did.
I do remember a couple years agothey reintroduced it just for fun.
But that's amazing that they wouldtry and market it as something healthy
because they took the, the Dooo Brownadditive that makes it Coca-Cola color
out, and suddenly it's a health food.
That's ridiculous.

Katie (15:54):
One less chemical to, to make, actually, maybe there's probably an, an
extra chemical to make it clear somehow.
I don't know.

Andy (16:01):
It's probably harder to

Katie (16:02):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (16:04):
'cause Coke syrup is, I mean, the cocoa bean is brown for god's sake.

Katie (16:08):
Good point.
Yeah.
Ugh.
Well that was our littleflashback time capsule from 1992.
You did well, Andy?

Andy (16:19):
Almost.
Perfect.

Katie (16:20):
Yes.

Andy (16:21):
fan and I'll admit that.

Katie (16:23):
okay.
See, I was like, howwould you not get that?
I'm just kidding.
I'm teasing.
Alright, so this season on retrowe're all about John Hughes.
Do you have anything to share?
I don't know if you're a fan, ifyou are familiar with John Hughes.
What's your historythoughts on John Hughes?

Andy (16:40):
yeah, John Hughes is definitely an informative
artist, creator of the eighties.
Everybody that grew upthen would be aware of it.
I'm a particular, you know, I'mpartial to Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
I feel like that spoke to me as achild that hated being in school.

(17:00):
So getting out of it in the mostclever ways was delightful for me.
And then all of the Molly Ringwalder era stuff is, you know,
memorable and, and debatable.
I've, I know Christian Blatt fromthe Blatt cast and many movie.

(17:22):
shows has brought up the fact thatthe Breakfast Club isn't good.
And I disagree, so I, excuse me.
I feel like The Breakfast Clubis a movie for teenagers that
are disgruntled, angsty teens.
If you're not an angsty teen, thenthe Breakfast Club is not for you.

(17:42):
If you're looking at the Breakfast Clubas a grown man, sure you're not gonna
think it's good, but if you're lookingat it from an alley, alley, sheety type
of personality, you're gonna love it.
So it's, it's for kids, a kids moviefor kids, and it still holds up.
And I was John Benter in high school,so I'll defend that movie and.

Katie (18:03):
Oh, I was, I will go hard defending Breakfast Club.
Breakfast Club is, I think,Hugh's best, best work.

Andy (18:10):
Right.
It's gonna be, you're,it's gonna be hard to do

Katie (18:11):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (18:13):
a, a series about John Hughes and not to the Breakfast Club is
probably one of the most popular ones.

Katie (18:20):
I mean, he's had, he's had misses and, and there are critiques are to be had
with some of his movies from that time.
But yes, go on.
Go on.

Andy (18:29):
But I, when we first discussed doing this, I wanted to pick something obscure.
I, I'm sure everybody wanted to do these,the big guns at, from, at the beginning.
But talked about doing national lamp,poons class reunion and it's unfindable.
So, we pivoted to Dutch,which is unfindable.

(18:52):
And that was disappointing because Ido remember Dutch as a kid and I loved
at O'Neill and buried with children.
So.
then you have a youngEthan Emry in that one.
And , I remembered the movie, Iremembered as a younger person
disappointed that not realizingthat an actor could play different

(19:14):
traits of a character and watchingDutch and going, this isn't Al Bundy,

Katie (19:19):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (19:19):
funny because it's not Al Bundy.
It's Ed O'Neill doing a different thing.
But again, you can't do it because itdoesn't exist on the internet right now.
So everybody go by physical mediabecause these movies that you want to
talk about are not findable on Netflix.
but Dutch also stinks.
As I was preparing to do that show andI was watching every clip on YouTube,

(19:43):
I was realizing that John Hughes loves.
Class warfare.

Katie (19:51):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (19:51):
of racial diversity, let's say every, everyone's white, but the poor kids

Katie (19:57):
Yeah.

Andy (19:58):
don't get along in

Katie (19:59):
Yeah.

Andy (20:00):
every John

Katie (20:01):
Yes.

Andy (20:01):
So

Katie (20:02):
Well, in, in doing this I, I was less harsh on Dutch because I had
probably just come off from some others.

Andy (20:09):
Tell other terrible crap.

Katie (20:12):
you know, I still have several movies to do and there's
some really good ones in there.
But what I'm seeing very muchis he has a formula and he
doesn't sway from it at all,

Andy (20:24):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (20:25):
And he just kind of regurgitates stuff

Andy (20:28):
I'm seeing that with Edgar Wright too.
There's a lot of beats and themes that.
I think it's fair to say that when youa creator and you find something that
works, if it ain't broke, don't fix itand just keep putting something out there
that was successful and then you try anddo that to a varying degree of success.

(20:53):
So I, I guess I can understandthat, but it are you kind of saving
your opinion for when you're done,about what you think the best one is

Katie (21:05):
Of John Hughes?

Andy (21:06):
Yeah.

Katie (21:07):
Well, I don't think it will change and I haven't like really
gone through in my head all of them.
But it's gotta be Breakfast Club.

Andy (21:14):
Really.
Okay.
And, and correct me if I'm wrong,is Planet Trains and Automobiles.
John Hughes.

Katie (21:19):
Yes.

Andy (21:20):
I think that might, might be at the top of my list with Ferris Bueller.

Katie (21:24):
Oh, interesting.
Okay.

Andy (21:26):
Ferris Bueller Planes Trains Breakfast Club is up there.
And then

Katie (21:32):
Because

Andy (21:32):
of things on this list that I didn't even realize

Katie (21:34):
Oh, I know,

Andy (21:35):
related.

Katie (21:36):
same.

Andy (21:37):
just write writing, not just

Katie (21:39):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (21:39):
but also writing.
So, yeah, it was interesting to gothrough the catalog just on paper anyway.

Katie (21:45):
The John Candy ones, so he had the teen ones where, you know,
there's a period of time where hereally focused on that teen angst.

Andy (21:53):
that's seems most synonymous with

Katie (21:55):
John Hughes.
Yeah.
But, and then he had some good successwith the kid Fair, including home alone.
Uncle Buck, like JohnCandy's in a lot of them.

Andy (22:05):
Culkin days.

Katie (22:06):
yeah.
Yeah.
And then , it's clear when he doesn't.
Put his heart into something.
It really shows in the qualityof the movie as I'm learning
going through his work.
But without further ado,shall we get into Home Alone?
Two.
Lost in New York.

Andy (22:30):
I couldn't believe this was still on the list.
This

Katie (22:33):
Me too.

Andy (22:34):
when I picked all these other obscure things.
I like talking about terrible moviesand making fun of those, or seeing
something that I hadn't seen before.
So when I saw Home Alone two on thelist, I, it was the most obvious choice.

Katie (22:49):
I know there's a couples,

Andy (22:51):
that I hadn't seen before and it turns out I'm not allowed to see him

Katie (22:55):
right?
Yeah, I know.

Andy (22:57):
went back to this.

Katie (22:59):
And I even class reunion, I even got a copy at the library and it was
scratched, so I only saw part of it.
So I had to like glue together, clips fromYouTube, which there aren't very many.
So to your point about physical media,but you can't, you only buy ones that
you're gonna love and rewatch a lot.
And I do own the original home alone onDVD, but not, not home alone two, but
thankfully it was available to stream

Andy (23:22):
do you remember, I, I'm not gonna make you say how old you are,
but when that came out in theaters in

Katie (23:29):
90
90.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (23:32):
home alone, it was such a phenomenon that the, a lot of, they wouldn't
have these mega plexes back then inmy town anyway of upstate New York
and people would have to wait in line.
There's no internet toget tickets in advance.
You would have to show up,wait in line, and not get in.

Katie (23:52):
Oh, no.

Andy (23:52):
remember failing to see Home alone several times
before I finally got to see it,

Katie (23:58):
No way.

Andy (23:59):
yeah.
Yeah.
And it was worth, it was worth the wait.

Katie (24:03):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (24:03):
it's an iconic movie that was it.
Lightning in a bottle.
It was a sensation.
It put Joe Pesci on the map.
It put Macaulay Culkin on the map.
Put Catherine O'Hara on the map.
So, big, big deal.
So then I'm sure they, they wererunning, clamoring to do it all
over again with Home Loan two.

Katie (24:25):
Just in time because he's still cute and young enough for this movie,
but maybe one more year and it, hewouldn't have been, you know, you gotta

Andy (24:34):
Then he goes into obscurity and you go

Katie (24:37):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (24:37):
Richie Rich did.
Is that John Hughes?
Richie

Katie (24:39):
No, no,

Andy (24:41):
okay.

Katie (24:42):
Yeah.

Andy (24:42):
I will say that I, I felt like in home loan two McCaulay
culkin's acting chops were plused up.
I feel

Katie (24:49):
Yeah.
Okay.
That's, that's good to hear.
So yeah, you guys, this cameout November 20th, 1992.
It's pg I assume thefirst one was PG also.

Andy (25:00):
I think so.

Katie (25:01):
It has a 6.9
on IMDB, which is quite high.

Andy (25:07):
Hmm.

Katie (25:08):
Chris Columbus is the director here.
This is one John Hugheswrote, but did not direct.
And Chris Columbus has stated ininterviews that he considers home
alone two better than the original.

Andy (25:21):
I think a lot of people ha hold that opinion.
Who did Chris Columbus direct the first

Katie (25:26):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (25:29):
Okay.
I guess maybe I'm in the minority opinionof that after hearing that people thought
that and then watching this yesterday.
With the, a critical eye of, isthis better than the first one?
I would say that I disagree mainlybecause it suffers from the, oh,

(25:50):
remember when this happened in the

Katie (25:51):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (25:52):
Remember when that happened in the first?
I think there's, there's good thingsabout it, but when you revisiting
old jokes, they, it's kind ofan obligatory thing that has to
happen in a successful, sequel.
And it's like, yeah, okay.
I, I do remember that wasfunny in the first one.
But they, what they do get right in thisis it nail it like the breadcrumb Rube

(26:15):
Goldberg way that they establish thatthis scenario could happen again to this

Katie (26:23):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (26:23):
it just happened.
You know, it happens in a believable waywhere walking into the movie you're like,
how, how could this kid be left behindagain, these or the worst parents ever?
And they figure out a way to.
Get you on board with it.

Katie (26:38):
That's a great point.
I also, I do not think thisis better than the original.

Andy (26:43):
Thank you.

Katie (26:44):
I do not.
I mean there, I think there's a very fewmaybe on one hand the number of sequels
that are better than the original.
He definitely got paid more for this one.
Um,

Andy (26:57):
Columbus and

Katie (26:58):
yes, it was.
So if you guys haven't seen this moviein 30 ish years or if it's been a
while, Kevin McAllister's back, butthis time he's in New York City with
enough cash and credit cards to turnthe big apple into his own playground.
But Kevin won't be alone for long.
The notorious wet bandits now theycall themselves the sticky bandits.

(27:19):
Harry, played by Joe Pesci, andMarv played by Daniel Stern.
Still smarting.
From their last encounter with Kevin,they're bound for New York City too.
Plotting a huge holiday heist.
Kevin's ready to welcome them withanother battery of booby traps.
The bumbling bands will never forget.
Uhhuh, there's a lot of, reallyheavy handed foreshadowing.

(27:43):
We'll get into the cast of characters,but just really quickly, we do get
set up the, it's like the exactsame setup , as the original.
And I found that very comforting.
The music, seeing their house,the chaos of you know, of
the cousins and everything.
What did you think about the opening.

Andy (28:02):
It's interesting that they bring, there's so many unused cast members,
these cousins that seemingly couldhave a bigger in this movie that are
just, it's, it's gotta be the easiestgig in Hollywood being the, the.

Katie (28:21):
Cousin A.

Andy (28:23):
the second nephew of Kevin McAllister, I don't
even know who any of 'em are.
Like you could not name any of thosekids except Buzz and maybe Karen cu.
I can't even name Karen Culkin'scharacter, the kid that wets

Katie (28:37):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (28:39):
nobody wants to sleep with this kid 'cause he wets the bed.
Yes,

Katie (28:43):
Fuller.
Fuller is Karen's name.
Yep.

Andy (28:46):
Thank you.
It's awesome to see a, a babyKieran Culkin in the movie,
knowing how far he's gone

Katie (28:53):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (28:53):
you know, be such a big success now.
And just, I just watched ScottPilgrim and he's in that as

Katie (28:59):
Oh yeah.

Andy (29:00):
yeah.
So it was fun to see that.
And they give buzz a lot of at thetop of the film, especially when he
publicly humiliates Kevin, which.
I don't understand whyKevin is to blame at that.
I mean, they do the whole sequencewhere Buzz does his lawyer thing

(29:21):
and convinces everybody thathe's not really the villain.
And that's sort of what drives the wedgebetween Kevin and his family, which maybe
is a, a weaker plot point of the movie.
And there, there was a couple of timeswhere it was like, this is, not great
as far as comparing it to the first one.

Katie (29:44):
They had to set up the fact that Kevin would be, again, this time up
in the third floor I hate my family.
I wanna go on a vacation by myself.
the mom's like, you know,you got your wish last year.
Maybe you'll get your wish this year.
Gee, like it's, it is very heavy.

Andy (29:57):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (29:59):
but then they kind of fake us out because he, he gets in
the van, he gets to the airport,

Andy (30:03):
even how

Katie (30:03):
you know?
Yeah.

Andy (30:04):
left

Katie (30:04):
So that was good.
That was good.
Let's talk about our castof characters a little bit.
Clearly we have MacaulayCulkin back as Kevin.
We have Joe Pesci and DanielStern back as Harry and Marv,
and they were the wet bandits.
And I don't know why do they callthemselves the sticky bandits now?
Do they have tape aroundtheir hand or something?

(30:25):
What was the deal with that?

Andy (30:26):
Stern's walking around with tape on his hand and he keeps
snatching hats and gloves, likepetty things that are pointless.
And I don't know why theywould probably just so that,

Katie (30:37):
It's not the same.

Andy (30:38):
and so it would be easier to shoot than having to spill
a bunch of water all over

Katie (30:43):
Mm,

Andy (30:43):
set and let the production have to clean it up.
The, the production team waslike, let's not do that again.
It's a disaster.
And they just figured out an easier,

Katie (30:52):
was in the script.

Andy (30:53):
thing.

Katie (30:53):
Yep.

Andy (30:54):
so that

Katie (30:54):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (30:55):
they're escaped convicts now that they don't wanna leave a trail of.
So they change it up.
Maybe.
Maybe that's logical.
But, I got, I gotta shoutout Catherine O'Hara too.
She looks maybe, maybe this is thebest version of Catherine O'Hara to me.
She looks really good inthis one, I would say,

Katie (31:14):
I'm glad that you said that.
'cause she, yeah, she'sso like fresh and young.
I, well, I love her asMoira in Schitt's Creek.
So that's, that's whatI think of her as now.
But she's just playing like thestraight mom in this, not like her
other roles is it Christopher Guest thathas like best in Show a Mighty Wind?
Is that

Andy (31:34):
Yeah.

Katie (31:35):
a

Andy (31:35):
a lot of character

Katie (31:36):
mm-hmm.

Andy (31:36):
or, or

Katie (31:37):
Beetlejuice.
Yeah.

Andy (31:39):
to mind where she's over the top.

Katie (31:41):
Yeah.

Andy (31:41):
is pretty straightforward for her.

Katie (31:44):
And John Heard is back.
So we kind of have everybody's,basically everybody's back.
Which I think is helpful.
I'll go.
Yeah.
John Heard he's super familiar.
Everybody knows him.
He's Kevin's dad.
He was in Big Awakenings, and thenI did read that he was nominated
for his guest role in The Sopranos.
I had forgotten that he was a gueststar playing detective Vin Ian

Andy (32:08):
Hmm.

Katie (32:09):
in the Sopranos,

Andy (32:10):
I don't remember that.

Katie (32:10):
John Heard Devin.

Andy (32:13):
I, made that connection when they, they go to Duncan's and I
was reminded of FAO Schwartz andthe movie Big, which features FAO
Schwartz the most prominently on film.
So, yeah, I had that in my notes too.
yeah, he, he's good.
He, he's a very likable fatherfigure as opposed to big where he

(32:34):
plays a heel and like some other

Katie (32:36):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (32:37):
where he is played a villain.
He's actually pretty likable in this,doing some good work as Kevin's dad.
It becomes pivotal at the airport

Katie (32:45):
mm-hmm.

Andy (32:46):
do lose

Katie (32:46):
Lose him.

Andy (32:47):
he's, yeah, he's important here.
And I just, just to back all theway up to the beginning, I wanna
shout out the John Williams score

Katie (32:56):
Yes.

Andy (32:56):
when

Katie (32:57):
Yes.

Andy (32:57):
the theme of the movie shows up and the title credits are rolling.
And you see that Star Wars composer,John Williams did the music for this.
It really sets a nostalgic tone for me.

Katie (33:13):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (33:13):
watched this movie for 30 years now that score is amazing.
And John Williams' involvement in thisis for, I, I'm a bit of a musician too,
so I pay a lot of attention to music.
And, you know, when people like DannyElfman, tim Burton's movies or John

(33:34):
Williams and Jerry Goldsmith too.
This kind of like, I, I put thosecomposers together in films that I
enjoy from this era of movie making.
So, yeah.
John Williams killing it?

Katie (33:50):
Great point.
Yeah, it did its job very well.
I had a comforting like, oh,I'm at home feeling, you know,
that's, it drew me in that opening.
Williams is regarded as one of the mostinfluential, film composers of all time

Andy (34:04):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (34:04):
has influenced a lot of other film composers.
I did read also that he wasthe principal conductor for the
Boston Pops from 1980 to 1993.

Andy (34:15):
Oh,

Katie (34:15):
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, to your,

Andy (34:18):
For.

Katie (34:18):
yeah, to your point.
Frequent collaborations withGeorge Lucas and Steven Spielberg.
He has won not nominations, but wins26 Grammys, four Oscars, seven BAFTAs,
three Emmys, and four Golden Globes.
John Williams.

Andy (34:34):
Wow.
Yeah.
You, you put this soundtrack onat Christmas time and it takes
you right to, a fireplace with a

Katie (34:44):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (34:44):
and everything that you want your holiday season to be can be summed up
with the, the theme from home alone.

Katie (34:53):
Yep.
A hundred percent.

Andy (34:54):
iconic.
Yeah.

Katie (34:55):
Yeah.
And this movie did well.
It was in such short successionto the first one I think that it
benefited from a lot of the carryover.
The character playing Buzz.
We talked about him in anotherepisode of a John Hughes.
He was,

Andy (35:10):
was it home alone one because has he been in any, what

Katie (35:13):
Yeah, no.
Well, aside from that, 'causewe haven't, we haven't actually
covered home alone one yet.
But the actor is Devin.
Re he played the babysitter'sboyfriend in Dennis the menace.

Andy (35:28):
Oh,

Katie (35:29):
John Hughes wrote that movie.

Andy (35:30):
Okay.

Katie (35:31):
And we talk about in that episode there's several movies like Beethoven,
Dennis the Menace, there's a few othersthat he just kind of threw a bunch of home
alone elements in and it just didn't work.
I like it at all.

Andy (35:44):
is what

Katie (35:45):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (35:47):
formula probably.
All right.
We're gonna take a kid that's not McCulleyCulkin and just try and make home alone
again with Walter Mattau and a lookalikeor then baby's day out is probably.
Lost in New York only.
It's an infant instead of Macaulay

Katie (36:03):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (36:05):
arguably, you know, but definitely less successful,

Katie (36:09):
Definitely.

Andy (36:10):
that movie,

Katie (36:10):
Mm-hmm.
So , Kieran Coken played Fuller.
He's the younger cousin.
He's not Kevin's brother.
He's his cousin.
Right.
Frank's kid.

Andy (36:19):
Right.

Katie (36:20):
and we all now know Kieran Coken.
He, he was lesser known at thistime, and Frank, uncle Frank
is back played by Jerry Baum.
Baun Baun.
That's kind of hard tosay for some reason.
Do you know him from anything else?

Andy (36:35):
No, no.
But he plays one of the best, youknow, heels or un unlikable jerks the
cheapness, the character work thatthis actor is doing is fantastic in a
way that you want to dislike this guy.

Katie (36:53):
Agreed.
Yep.
He he's got that face though.
You feel like you knowhim from other things.
I did read, he was in the secretof my success with Michael J.
Fox.
I wonder if he was also kind ofa sleazy guy in that probably.
And then his wife is like thisperfect you know, like church lady
looking woman, which is kind of wild.
She's not well known in this Cinta Moses,I just wanted to bring up her because she

(37:19):
She got a young artist nominationfor in this Cent Moss, I guess.
I don't know why.

Andy (37:25):
cousin?

Katie (37:26):
Yeah, she was

Andy (37:27):
there's far too many cousins and

Katie (37:29):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (37:29):
they're given nothing to do.
It's, it's a bizarre

Katie (37:33):
They each have five kids.
Each brother John heard, and, and Uncand Frank they each have five kids would.
That's a lot.

Andy (37:41):
Yeah.
I think.
Maybe they're there so thatit's easy to lose track

Katie (37:47):
Mm-hmm.
That's a great point.

Andy (37:49):
reason to have this many people doing nothing

Katie (37:52):
Mm-hmm.
She plays Tracy and she was Idunno if you've ever watched the
show, my So called Life on MTV.

Andy (37:59):
Sure.
Yeah.

Katie (37:59):
Yeah.
She was Delia in three episodes of that.
And she was really most known for the showBeakman's World, which I never saw that.

Andy (38:07):
of it.
I don't think I watched it, but

Katie (38:08):
and Mr.
Duncan is played by Eddie Bracken.
Do you know him from anything else?

Andy (38:13):
Hmm.
He looks familiar.
And that was, that's a great scenewith him and Kevin at the toy store.
I, I can't think of anything else thatI've seen him in off the top of my head

Katie (38:22):
It is John Hughes related.
That is a marker of John Hughes movies.
He has his people that he likes,he played the more or less dis Walt
Disney in while at Wally World in

Andy (38:33):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Now that's such a short thingright at the end that, now that you
mention it, yeah, that's uh, awesome.
Another beloved where he gets to playa benevolent person that lets your main
characters off the hook kinda roll, Ilike that they kind of give him this

(38:57):
magical Santa Claus vibe at the endof that scene where he gives Kevin the
turtle doves and then Kevin sees theportrait and turns around and he's gone.
It's just kind of a little nod toSanta Claus or the magic of the
holiday kinda thing where that makesthe movie a little more charming.

Katie (39:17):
Absolutely.
And that's carried over into theend when they are all in this
gigantic suite at the plaza.
Their family is supposedto be going to Florida.
But Kevin gets on the wrong plane, goesto New York instead, and their suite
ends up with a giant Christmas tree andton of presents and they're from Mr.
Mr.
Duncan.

(39:37):
So he really did play Santa Claus.

Andy (39:40):
Yeah.
That was, those are, and there's acouple of interesting scenes in this.
One of them is that scene at the toystore with Duncan, and then the other one.
It's, I'm watching it and going,why is this, they making such
a meal out of these scenes.
They go on for a long, long time.
The conversation that Kevin andDuncan have, and then the conversation

(40:01):
that Kevin and the bird lady havein the rafters of the theater

Katie (40:06):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (40:08):
her broken heart, and.
Kevin trying to coach her back intosociety when she's a recluse that
hasn't talked to anybody in two years.
It's, kind of a strange to insiston inserting into a movie, but I
think it gives the, the film heart

Katie (40:31):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (40:32):
maybe the, the point of these.
They're trying to inject magic ofthe season and sympathy and let's all
help each other kind of holiday vibes.

Katie (40:46):
Yeah, because

Andy (40:47):
I think that's the

Katie (40:48):
I, I.

Andy (40:48):
on for very long.
Am I

Katie (40:49):
No, no, you're not.
There's a few that go onfor a really long time.
Like that one, had a purpose behind it.
It was the impetus of Kevin beinglike, oh, I'm gonna save the store.
You know, that isn't soon afterthat conversation that he like,
goes and starts, collectingall his booby trap items.
Then there are other scenes with Marvand Harry, all of those, like the booby

(41:12):
traps, essentially a lot of those goon for far too long and for no reason.
And they were just, in myopinion, just kind of reusing.
I really wish they would've got morecreative with the booby traps, because
did we get anything new really?

Andy (41:26):
Hmm.

Katie (41:27):
know?

Andy (41:27):
Yeah.
Without the exception of bighole in the floor, like we didn't

Katie (41:33):
Yes.
Yeah.

Andy (41:34):
in Kevin's house, so that, that was good.
And it does go to a very cartoonishlevel that I feel was not in

Katie (41:45):
The first one?
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (41:47):
you're watching these guys take so much abuse a, a normal
person would not be able to.
Especially the brick scene in this

Katie (41:56):
Oh my God.
Yeah.

Andy (41:58):
is one of those bricks and you're potentially dead, but by the
time they get to the fourth one,it just gets funnier and funnier.
And I'm a, I'm a fan of the ThreeStooges and Roadrunner cartoons, so I
did like seeing a lot of this slapstickhumor, but I don't know if you've seen

(42:21):
The Third Home Alone, which probablyis, doesn't involve John Hughes and

Katie (42:26):
No.

Andy (42:27):
McCaulay Culkin, and goes all in on the villains and colorful
crap, and the, the hair frizzing

Katie (42:39):
Hmm.

Andy (42:40):
when Daniel Stern turns into the skeleton, when he is
getting electrocuted, and it

Katie (42:45):
A lot of that,

Andy (42:46):
so much more cartoonish.
the failure of the third one.
But, we're not talkingabout the third one anyway.
The this, the second one justgoes, it goes a little over

Katie (42:58):
right?

Andy (42:59):
I mean, it's already making you suspend disbelief that these guys
aren't just cutting and running orcalling an ambulance because Marv
has taken a nail gun to the crotch.
So I, I would be done after that.
You know?
That's,

Katie (43:17):
I, at first I wondered what it was.
I was like, is it staples or is it nails?
Yeah.
Yeah.

Andy (43:23):
It's fun.
I love every time Joe Pesci iss on screen.

Katie (43:26):
Mm.

Andy (43:27):
remember that this time, Joe Pesci is riding the wave of

Katie (43:32):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (43:32):
and Casino, these home alone films and the Lethal Weapon franchise.
He's a megastar and.
very apparent when you'rewatching him on screen.
He's got just this charm thatexcuses all of his bad behavior

Katie (43:54):
Great way of putting it.

Andy (43:55):
yeah, I just, I just love Joe Peche so much.
And Daniel Stern too.
He's,

Katie (44:00):
I think they're a good duo.
Joe Peche has a manner of speaking that Ijust, I am, I'm all for, for some reason
that, that really new Yorkie, like shadytype of guy I can't get enough of it,
but yeah, Daniel Stern's really good too.
The bird lady.

Andy (44:15):
some Abbott and Costello vibes.

Katie (44:17):
Mm.

Andy (44:17):
will, to

Katie (44:19):
Okay.

Andy (44:19):
up talking about those two, you, you got Daniel Stern running around like
a Lou Costello calling out for Harry.
The way that.
He would call out for Abbott.
That was reminded me of when they werein the basement taking all the abuse.

Katie (44:35):
That tracks.

Andy (44:37):
Yeah, they, but Abbott Costello meet the Wolf man kinda, but the
Wolf man is Kevin McAllister.

Katie (44:46):
So I did wanna call out the pigeon lady.
She's an Irish actress who actually won anOscar for best supporting in my left foot.

Andy (44:55):
Yeah,

Katie (44:56):
Also, she was in a time to kill, and so I married an ax murderer.
Her name is Brenda Fricker.
And.
Apparently that character, the pigeonlady, was based on the old bird
woman from Mary Poppins in 1964.

Andy (45:13):
I could see that.
It's an interesting.
Direction to take from the creepy shovelslayer neighbor in the first one to, and
this is another trope of John Hughes,the, when I was saying at the top of
the discussion about class warfare andpoverty, there are so many instances in

(45:38):
different where, particularly Curly Sueand Dutch, where you're confronted with
and the have-nots, and he just makesyou go, you got, you got a pretty good
person in the movie theater watching this.
It could be a lot worse.

(45:59):
You could be in Central Parkcovered in bird shit, and don't
need that in a Christmas movie.
I guess it, it gives Kevin a reasonto, it gives him something to fight
for There's the heart of the moviethere, but it's, I don't know.
What did you think aboutthe character in general?

(46:19):
Did you, could you, I feltlike if it wasn't in the movie
at all, I'd be fine with it.

Katie (46:23):
Well, there's, she was clearly playing the old neighbor.
There has to be someonethat is misunderstood.
She's the standin for the neighbor.
Right.
And, and that person,

Andy (46:34):
for Kevin to learn

Katie (46:36):
yeah.

Andy (46:37):
a character,

Katie (46:38):
Yes, I guess.
And 'cause , he gives her the half of thedove, the turtle, dove necklace and like
friendship because in both, so in theoriginal two, like he learns from the, the
old man and the old man learns from Kevin.
And the same is true here.
Like it's just the same.
You had to have that character,that imparts wisdom on Kevin,

(46:59):
but then Kevin helps that person,

Andy (47:01):
Yes.

Katie (47:01):
you know, maybe,

Andy (47:03):
forget you, and I'll also never see you again.

Katie (47:07):
well, so my thought on that exactly is, and I just said this in
Dutch too, like maybe invite her inhe leaves his beautiful Christmas
plaza to go give her the turtle dove.
Maybe say, Hey, come join myfamily celebration for Christmas.
You're,

Andy (47:26):
Yeah.

Katie (47:27):
you don't.

Andy (47:28):
that gave you all those presents?
Maybe introduce your homeless friendto EF Duncan that, and maybe they can
hook up and she could have a better life
Of the movie

Katie (47:39):
yeah, the same happened in Dutch.
I'm like, oh, great, the homelesspeople drop you off at your mansion.
Bye bye now.
Invite these people in, or at leastpay for them to have a, another
room that was a missed opportunity.
They just go back to their very, theseMcAllisters are very well off, so
they just go back to, I think it's amissed opportunity if Fuse is trying

(48:01):
to show us, yes, you should be thankfulfor the things you have, and they
do learn lessons, but it, it's stopsshort of like real progress, you know?
Don't you think?

Andy (48:13):
Yes.
There's a message with no call to actionof let's, at least at the end of Scrooge,
where the homeless people freeze to death.
At the end they all sing together andwanna put a little love in your heart.
And this is just like, Hey, see ya.
I gotta go back to my five starhotel and with my millionaire

(48:35):
family, and you're not invited.
It's kinda shitty,

Katie (48:38):
Yeah.

Andy (48:39):
kinda, its kinda just kind shitty person.

Katie (48:41):
As a kid I was like, oh, that's nice.
They're friends.
But now as an adult I'm like, help her.
Do something meaningful.
Yeah,

Andy (48:50):
You give her half of a Christmas ornament, and she's like,
what am I supposed to do with this?

Katie (48:53):
yeah.

Andy (48:54):
birds.
But it's,
Can't even trade this for anything.

Katie (48:58):
I gotta buy bird seed for them.
I, I don't need well, speaking of JoePeshy being charming in this, he he
was nominated for funniest supportingactor in I didn't even know these
awards existed, American ComedyAwards, but they did at the time.

Andy (49:12):
The other day, I want, I Want Academy Award, maybe not
Academy Awards or some kind ofawards, categories that recognize

Katie (49:20):
comedy,

Andy (49:21):
and

Katie (49:21):
yeah.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (49:22):
they're so overlooked

Katie (49:24):
I agreed.

Andy (49:25):
underappreciated and possibly the most cared about genres of movie.

Katie (49:30):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (49:31):
just get zero recognition.
They, they always turna, a comedy award into

Katie (49:41):
Like a musical or something.

Andy (49:42):
yeah.
A vehicle for somebody to get thatfrom Some, remember when Johnny
Depp won best comedy actor for thatpiece of crap that he made with
Angelina, Joe Lee, the tourist.

Katie (49:55):
No, I don't, I don't even, I don't think I've seen that movie.
No.

Andy (49:58):
I didn't see it either, but my point is, he was winning comedic
awards for a movie that wasn't a

Katie (50:04):
Mm,

Andy (50:05):
they were just trying to figure

Katie (50:06):
mm-hmm.

Andy (50:07):
give Johnny Depp an award.
And it just makes me angry that thetwo genres that I care the most about
get zero recognition, almost constantly

Katie (50:18):
right.
You're right.

Andy (50:19):
too.
Action.
They, you gotta die forHeath Ledger to get a.

Katie (50:24):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (50:24):
for Batman, you know, that, that never, he never
would've wanted an Oscar for that

Katie (50:29):
No.

Andy (50:29):
if

Katie (50:30):
Mm-hmm.
Agreed.

Andy (50:31):
So,

Katie (50:32):
didn't, didn't they just introduce a stunt work category, like
just within the last couple years?

Andy (50:40):
But yeah I'm not sure, but that, that's long overdue,

Katie (50:43):
Yeah, yeah,

Andy (50:45):
and that's a cool category.
I like

Katie (50:47):
yeah.

Andy (50:47):
But,

Katie (50:48):
that gets to your action, I guess, a little bit.
The movie itself tied with Sister Actfor the People's Choice Awards that year.
Favorite comedy and Macaulay wasnominated for the Kids' Choice Awards.
And then we talked about thatSanta Moses Young artist.
The budget here is 28,000,004and a half million of that

(51:10):
was McCulley Culkin salary.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (51:13):
Well.
I mean, he was a megastar afterthe first one, so, and then you
were talking $92 everybody, 4million for a, for a 9-year-old.
pretty awesome.

Katie (51:25):
point.
And I guess that was at that time thebiggest salary ever for a child star.
And it's, this says 45 timeshis salary for home alone.
So Katie sucks at math.
What, what did he get ahundred thousand dollars for?
Home alone.
Would that, is that, is that right?
45.

Andy (51:44):
I didn't know where you're, this was gonna be part of the

Katie (51:47):
I know, I know.
I'm like math.
I don't know.
I can't do math.

Andy (51:50):
It was a lot

Katie (51:51):
It was a lot.

Andy (51:52):
to say.
I have to make sure to bringup one of my favorite parts of
the movie, which is Tim Curry.
It's, I love clue and.
And Legend and Oscar andobviously Rocky Horror Picture

Katie (52:10):
Love Tim Curry.

Andy (52:12):
just seeing him in this is one of the better parts of the movie to me.
A they beef up the villainsthat Kevin has to foil.
It can't always just

Katie (52:25):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (52:26):
Harry and Marv, I guess.

Katie (52:27):
It,

Andy (52:27):
they

Katie (52:28):
it's a whole hotel staff.
Yep.

Andy (52:30):
Schneider.
And the other woman play great, likeCartoonishly smarmy of the hotel.

Katie (52:39):
she also from the Adams family?
That woman who, like one of thefront desk people, she looked,
she wasn't listed in the cast.
She looked,

Andy (52:48):
yeah, I don't think, is she, she's just in that

Katie (52:51):
I, I feel like she was like somebody's wife, like cousin, it's wife
or something like that at the ball.
, And Tim Curry being on my brain.
In my brain.
I always confuse Tim Curryand um, Adam's family.
What's his name?
Who plays Gomez in Adam's family?

Andy (53:10):
Oh

Katie (53:11):
he's passed away now.
He was in Street Fighter.

Andy (53:13):
M Bison in the

Katie (53:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andy (53:16):
Fighter movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know him from a lot of things and

Katie (53:21):
Raul, Julia,

Andy (53:23):
Ah, yes.

Katie (53:24):
I don't know why in my brain I sometimes confuse
Tim Curry and Raul Julia.
Just me.

Andy (53:32):
Oh yeah.
I see.
I don't know.
He's Ralph Julie probably has alarger filmography than I'm aware of.
I don't really know him fromanything other than Adams
Stanley and Street Fighter.

Katie (53:45):
mm-hmm.

Andy (53:46):
But Tim, Tim Curry's more, prolific, I

Katie (53:49):
Yeah.

Andy (53:51):
but

Katie (53:51):
And he plays the concierge that is very suspicious of Kevin, you guys.
That's who Tim Curry plays in this.

Andy (53:58):
yeah, I let the cross dissolve from the Grinch to Tim Curry when the credit
card up stolen and when Catherine O'Haraslaps him in the face at, at the hotel.
These are just

Katie (54:13):
I forgot about that.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Andy (54:16):
favorite moments in the film include Tim Curry, who's always.
Killing it.
And gonna talk about the hotel, weshould probably bring up the Trump cameo,
which has gone on to be edited out alot of, a lot of televised versions of

Katie (54:34):
Oh, is that,

Andy (54:35):
But yeah, I've seen, I've

Katie (54:37):
Okay.

Andy (54:38):
this movie on network where they just edit that straight out of the movie.
But back then it was justa blinking, you missed

Katie (54:46):
Yeah,

Andy (54:46):
you, it was very interesting to see him just turn up in this movie, but,

Katie (54:53):
because did he own the hotel at that time?

Andy (54:56):
that.
Well, that's when I waswatching it last night with my
wife, she said, that's weird.
'cause the Trump Hotel is not this hotel.
So why is he at a hotel that's not his?

, Katie (55:05):
The requirement for shooting in the hotel.
So he must have had some stakein the Plaza Hotel at the time.

Andy (55:11):
Oh,

Katie (55:11):
so it was a, it, they were obliged to put him in the movie if
they wanted to to use the hotel.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (55:19):
I guess.
And it is just mm, I iconic New Yorker

Katie (55:22):
There's a couple other cameos.
Rob Schneider is the bellboy, didthey call him Cric instead of Cedric?
Anyway,

Andy (55:27):
yeah.
Cedric or, yeah.
And that's another great tip of the uh,

Katie (55:33):
fruit,

Andy (55:33):
gum,

Katie (55:33):
striped gum back in the day.

Andy (55:36):
of the shittiest candy ever created.

Katie (55:38):
don't know why I loved it though, when I was a kid

Andy (55:41):
Everybody likes it.
And then you put it in

Katie (55:43):
for 10 seconds.

Andy (55:44):
anything after, well, grand total of five seconds.
It,
It is just funny that, and then.
Because it goes from that to the, thecomedic beat of him offering the tip.
That's actual

Katie (55:59):
mm-hmm.

Andy (55:59):
thinks that he is gonna get gum, so he declines it to the, the,

Katie (56:03):
Buzz.

Andy (56:04):
rule of threes.
Why would Buzz give this guy thathe's never met that he's chew as a
kid, obviously older person, that getswhat a tip is to pull gum outta your
mouth and put it in somebody's hand.
It, it just didn't make sense

Katie (56:23):
It's just Buzz is a dick.
You know?
He's like that

Andy (56:26):
Yeah,

Katie (56:27):
older brother.

Andy (56:27):
It's funny, but it doesn't make sense.

Katie (56:29):
Agreed.
Agreed.

Andy (56:31):
Yeah.

Katie (56:31):
you, did you track Ali Sheety, another John Hughes lady?

Andy (56:35):
Yeah, my, my wife was going off about how bad her
teeth were and lose track.
I think I was takingco, I was taking copious

Katie (56:46):
mm-hmm.

Andy (56:47):
while I was watching this too, so I could, I was probably

Katie (56:49):
Writing,

Andy (56:50):
that Tim Curry's ever been in when Ali Sheety scene came on and
I looked up and she goes, blonde.
So

Katie (56:58):
Yeah.

Andy (56:58):
didn't register with me, but I, and my wife was yelling that
her teeth are jacked and I, and Isaid, I think that's Ellie Sheie.
But that was un I was uncertain.
So, yeah, it's

Katie (57:10):
Definitely, yeah.
Ali Shedi, ticket agent allfamously in breakfast club.
And then Chris Columbuswas director cameo.
Chris Columbus, , is holding a childand pointing to a stack of toys when
Kevin walks through the toy store.

Andy (57:27):
Right.
So you, that you're not AlfredHitchcock, Christopher Columbus.
People don't know that it's

Katie (57:32):
Yeah,

Andy (57:33):
can't, when you, you have to be recognizable for
that to be charming in a movie.

Katie (57:39):
true, true.

Andy (57:40):
Yeah.

Katie (57:41):
I think.

Andy (57:41):
can pull it off.

Katie (57:42):
Agreed.
I do think a lot of peoplefound this charming.
And it also, I think just coming off,in short succession to the first one.
The first one was a mega hit,so this one also, it made $359
million, and that's the $92.
That's

Andy (57:58):
Hmm.

Katie (57:58):
pretty enormous.
I, I didn't calculate whatthat would be now, but,

Andy (58:02):
Yeah.
That su, that supersede the first one

Katie (58:05):
Hmm.
Good question.

Andy (58:08):
Mm-hmm.
Because like I said, the, thefirst one was a sensation.
It was a mega hit.
People were waiting in line to see it.
Me being

Katie (58:16):
mm-hmm.

Andy (58:17):
and seeing it over and over again, people, people would want to
go tell their parents about it andbring their parents to see it too.
Bring their, you know,everybody wanted to see it twice

Katie (58:30):
The numbers are a bit all over the place, but the first one
made more money than the second one.
Yeah.

Andy (58:35):
okay.

Katie (58:36):
Which tr I mean, that makes sense.
I, I didn't stand in lineto watch it like you did, so

Andy (58:41):
I be, you weren't a loser like me.

Katie (58:43):
I no, I, I don't know.

Andy (58:45):
to do.

Katie (58:46):
I don't know what I was doing at that time.
Do you think that theyused New York enough?
What do you think aboutthe New York backdrop?

Andy (58:55):
And that's funny.
I, that was the very first thing Iput in my notes I thought that it
is minimized for such a iconic city.
They just do a montage at thetop where he goes from uptown to
downtown in a matter of seconds.
And my question was going to,have you been to New York?

Katie (59:16):
I have.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (59:17):
So you know that the way to visit New York is to pick one
section that you're interestedin and basically stay there.
You don't wanna be running all over,spending half of your time navigating
the subway and getting lost in TimesSquare and ending up in the West Village.

(59:38):
It's, it's better to just go to Tribecaand spend the weekend there and for
them to just sort of be like, oh yeah,New York City's very walkable thing.

Katie (59:53):
You know, they do that.
This, it almost gives meanxiety in movies like this.
We saw like the fish market, Chinatown,twin Towers, the Statue of Liberty.
And I already was getting anxiety'cause I'm like, this is not an adult,
this is a child trying to do this
Same thing with Ferris Bueller, withChicago, but they did it better.
Like they really showcased Chicago andFerris Bueller and I, I love Chicago,

(01:00:17):
but I get anxiety when they do thethis in movies where there's a montage
of the tourist sites, and it's like,you see the whole city in one day.
I am like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Andy (01:00:25):
Yeah.

Katie (01:00:26):
no, I don't know why.
It gives me like an anxiousfeeling like that's not possible.
How are you?
How are, no.

Andy (01:00:33):
Yeah.
And the fact that it, it would'vebeen better if it was just kept to,
you know, the Central Park area.
And that's overwhelming

Katie (01:00:40):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:00:41):
the fact that Kevin is never reduced to tears by the overwhelming, terrifying,
realization of being in this metropolisthat's full of lunatics when the, he
gets in the cab and the guy has the,

Katie (01:01:00):
Oh.

Andy (01:01:01):
pale eye and it's, he's, so many reasons 'cause when I, I mentioned
that I was a truck driver and Ithink it was the first week that I
was solo after training to drive.
I had to drive to Maine and then Ihad to go from Maine to Tennessee.
And I

Katie (01:01:19):
Hmm.

Andy (01:01:19):
via New York City And I got lost in a class, a full-size
tractor trailer down in.
Central Park

Katie (01:01:30):
Oh wow.

Andy (01:01:30):
was almost on the verge of tears.

Katie (01:01:32):
Yeah.

Andy (01:01:33):
So for, for Kevin to not lose his shit is a missed opportunity.
I think it would make the charactera little more three-dimensional
than this kind of Mary Sue kidthat you never think for one second
that he's not gonna be just fine.

Katie (01:01:50):
Yeah.

Andy (01:01:51):
maybe make the character a little more relatable.
But, yeah, the fact that he is inNew York, it, it's, it's a good
backdrop to do a part two of thistype of film that it's good for that.
But I think it's underutilized in the, thepantheon of films that feature New York.

(01:02:15):
It's been featured a lot better in other

Katie (01:02:17):
Agreed.
That's a really good way of putting it.
My anxiety went way down when he wasthen offered the opportunity to, he gets
a limo with a cheese pizza to himself.
He's drinking soda out of champagneflutes and watching the Grinch, and so
he just gets toted around New York andlike at the plaza's expense now that

Andy (01:02:39):
Hmm.

Katie (01:02:39):
I was like, now that sounds like a perfect day.
I would love nothing more, except for ifthat was real champagne and not diet Coke.

Andy (01:02:46):
that, that's, that's a great point.
And that's when theyshould have showcased New

Katie (01:02:52):
Yeah.

Andy (01:02:52):
that they did at the top, where he is just kind of
like strolling around and he

Katie (01:02:55):
He arrives in New York and then all of a sudden he's
here, there and everywhere.
Yeah.

Andy (01:02:59):
Yeah.
If he was in the limo, then you couldbe like, okay, now we're all over

Katie (01:03:03):
Yeah.

Andy (01:03:03):
And that would make a lot more sense.
And it's earned because of the,the scene where he fakes it.
And, and that was anotherthing I'd put in my notes about
Kevin has preconceived that.
Somebody will eventually comeinto this room uninvited.
So I need to make a marionette

Katie (01:03:23):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:03:24):
shower and thank God I have my talk boy, which talk boy was basically
the, the hoverboard of this movie.

Katie (01:03:31):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:03:32):
this.
And he has constructed this fake UncleFrank to scare Tim Curry out of the room.
And that justifies them givinghim all these perks that
we were just talking about.
But the, was another thing where I wasjust like, this doesn't make sense that
he would, would get this bozo inflatablething and then make, the pencils so that

(01:03:56):
he could control it like the first one.
Why would he do that?
You know, you just put donot disturb on the door.
Nobody's gonna come in.
So.

Katie (01:04:05):
Yeah.

Andy (01:04:06):
It was just a strange thing to, 'cause they wanna make a funny

Katie (01:04:10):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:04:12):
But when you really think about it, it didn't make sense.

Katie (01:04:16):
And then that's how he used the gi 'cause it was the gift from
his grandma, like a Oh, she thoughtyou'd be able to use this in the pool.
'cause the family'ssupposed to be in Florida.
Speaking of which, why is thisfamily traveling over Christmas
again after what happened last year?
No, stay home.
You have a gorgeous house.
Just stay there.

Andy (01:04:35):
The, they're so sick of their awesome mansion.
Yeah.

Katie (01:04:39):
And then when they do go to Florida, the cuts to the family
in Florida, I don't know if theyaren't at at the place they're
supposed to be, but it seemed shitty.
Like just like a crappy motel.
Which makes no sense.
'cause this family would've clearlyhad a nice accommodations lined up.
So is it, what's the story behind that?
I mean, I know it's Florida, you know, but

Andy (01:05:01):
yeah, I think that whatever they have to change plans because they
realize Kevin's missing and it's the onlything that they can find last minute.
It must be the

Katie (01:05:11):
But wouldn't they have had reservations?
Like the plan was to go to Florida

Andy (01:05:15):
yeah, why don't they go stay

Katie (01:05:17):
wherever they were gonna stay.

Andy (01:05:19):
they were supposed to end up while they sorted out.
That is interesting.
But I did like seeing that shittygreen gremlin in the parking lot
of the motel that they're in.

Katie (01:05:28):
And it was a motel.
Yeah, definitely.
I thought it was a cute littlenod having a sequel to the sequel.
A movie within a movie within amovie of the Angels Without Soul.
What was it?
The Angels With, even Angels with evenFilthier Filthier Souls or something.

Andy (01:05:44):
is that what it

Katie (01:05:45):
Yeah.
So, and using his talk voice.
So we get a lot of the similarbeats from the first one.
Like we kind of need a little bit of that.
But I, I wanted morecreativity from the pranks.
I think there were somemissed opportunities.
There could have been a lot more thatcould have been done because he now has
to foil the hotel people and the robbers.

(01:06:09):
And

Andy (01:06:10):
So much of it happens the same way.
It happens in the

Katie (01:06:12):
in the first one.
Yeah.

Andy (01:06:14):
he slides, he slides into the elevator between the women's
legs, the way he slides through the

Katie (01:06:19):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:06:20):
and the on the ice rink, which makes a lot more

Katie (01:06:22):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:06:23):
sliding on the floor of a hotel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And a lot of it, even thepranks or the the booby traps
at the house, a lot are just.

Katie (01:06:33):
The same.
Yeah.

Andy (01:06:35):
one and not many.
I did like the, the toiletfull of kerosene or what,

Katie (01:06:43):
yeah.

Andy (01:06:43):
was kind of a different, even though the walking through and the, in
the first one, it's the blow torch tothe head, and this one, it just kind of
catches his head on fire and then, thenhe does the handstand in the toilet,
which is new, like a fresher take,

Katie (01:06:57):
That's fair.

Andy (01:06:59):
So it, it's good when, it's good when they made it different and changed

Katie (01:07:03):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:07:04):
And it's famili, but so many people just like comfort food.
It's a comfort food movie whereyou're seeing something that you
already know that you're gonna enjoy.
So, that's why they're, they're writingit in so that you be like, oh yeah, I
liked it when I saw it the first time.
So I like it

Katie (01:07:21):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:07:22):
too,

Katie (01:07:22):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:07:23):
but,

Katie (01:07:23):
I can say that.
And I did, and you know, to some degreelike even the cheese pizza to himself.
There were, I liked alot of the carryover.
I I guess I wish they would'vejust taken some of , the stunts up
a notch or maybe had a couple newreally cool ones and they didn't.
But I was confused.
By, what did the uncle's househave to do with the toy store?

(01:07:47):
How was him saving the toy store?
His point was with all these booby trapsand getting the burglars to save the toy
store because at the end of the night, Mr.
Mr.
Toy store owner Duncan is going to donateall that money to a children's charity.

Andy (01:08:05):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:08:06):
So they're going to the toy store to rob the toy store.
Is he just trying to run the clock outby bringing them to the uncle's house?
'cause all of the trapswere at the uncle's house.

Andy (01:08:17):
This is a great point that I, that hasn't occurred to me, so I'm.
You're watching my, the gearsturn in my head right now.
If the third act foiling of Harryand Marv had actually been in the toy
store and he was using and the thingsin this child's Playland, how, what

(01:08:43):
better sequence would that have beenif he was weaponizing the toy store?

Katie (01:08:49):
Yeah.

Andy (01:08:50):
would've been such a better

Katie (01:08:51):
So much better.

Andy (01:08:53):
I mean, it, it probably would've been a more expensive and harder to shoot,
which is probably why they just said,oh, my uncle's house is being renovated
because I did think that was a good plot.
Di device

Katie (01:09:03):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:09:04):
he ends up with the whole sequence where he gets lost in the airport.
The way that they orchestrated that,like he, it's such a kid thing to.
Be like, oh, my toy's outta batteries.
I wanted, I need toaddress this right now.
And that's how he loses histrack of his family and the guy
wearing the same code as his dad.
And he follows that guy.

(01:09:25):
They mix up the, he crashes into theflight attendant, the gate attendant.
All the tickets go everywhere.
This is a clever way to facilitateKevin getting to New York.
Why is the attention that you put intojustifying not applied to the writing of

(01:09:47):
the finale and the way that you and I justcreated a better ending for this movie,

Katie (01:09:53):
Yeah.

Andy (01:09:53):
which is speaks to the shortcomings of the movie

Katie (01:09:56):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:09:57):
arguing that it's not better than the

Katie (01:09:59):
Right, but I mean, what were we led to believe though?,
What does This househave to do with anything?

Andy (01:10:05):
It's just a venue to do the same thing from the first one.

Katie (01:10:08):
He lures them there instead

Andy (01:10:10):
Oh, because, because that was my point.
Like the other thing that made the moviemake a lot more sense is that he would,
getting the batteries for his toy secureshis dad's travel bag that has money, which
Kevin will need to even get anywhere.
He would just be at the airportand then the movie would be

Katie (01:10:27):
Yeah.
No money.
No.

Andy (01:10:29):
why?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the, and then he has theaddress book of where his uncle

Katie (01:10:34):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:10:34):
and, you know, some of these other tools that allow him
to find his way around New York.
So that, that was a good thing to insertinto the plot or, to facilitate the
movie happening and then just drop theball with, and do the same thing all
over again that you did in the firstone, only in a, a house of of coal
that no one's ever heard of before.

(01:10:56):
It's just kind of lazy.

Katie (01:10:58):
I think he's meant to be.
'cause they're like,oh, isn't he in Paris?
Oh yeah.
But the house is being run by,he was the uncle that they went
to visit in the first movie.
The fam right.
I'm

Andy (01:11:07):
Is that it?
I don't

Katie (01:11:08):
him.
The, this family has a lot of money.
Or at least two of the brothers do.
Uncle Frank doesn't, but, but'cause they were gonna go to Paris
to, to visit, have Christmas withthe, that uncle that apparently
has another home in New York City.
Gee, must be nice to be in McAllister, eh?

Andy (01:11:25):
Was one of my favorite lines in the movie.
That's right at the beginning whenhe, when he is, goes to Uncle Frank.
Oh, I wouldn't wannaruin your vacation, Mr.
Cheapskate.
And everybody's appalled by Kevin'ssmart mouth to his dickhead uncle,
who is a dickhead and deserves

Katie (01:11:41):
He is.
So towards the end buzz shows Kevin,the room service bill, he's like, oh my
God, you're gonna be in so much trouble.
It was $967, which I looked up today.
That would be about 2232.
$2,232.
That's really, I honestly would'vethought it'd be way higher.

(01:12:06):
Or am I off on this at the plaza?

Andy (01:12:09):
I, yeah.
$0 of that was spent on the bird lady.

Katie (01:12:14):
Yeah.
Come on Kevin.

Andy (01:12:18):
That's crazy.
And, but it's like, yeah.
What else are you gonna do if you're akid in a, a hotel room, but order room

Katie (01:12:26):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:12:27):
So,

Katie (01:12:27):
I, I guess I just thought it would be more,

Andy (01:12:29):
amount of money.

Katie (01:12:31):
I did watch all the way through.
'cause sometimes the, so JohnHughes will many times have a
post credit scene in his movies.
There was not.

Andy (01:12:39):
Bueller?

Katie (01:12:39):
Yeah.
But there was not there area few bits of trivia here.
The original working titleapparently was alone Again.
What are your thoughts about that?

Andy (01:12:51):
Hmm.
Not good.

Katie (01:12:53):
Okay.

Andy (01:12:53):
Home alone two.
Lost to New

Katie (01:12:55):
Yeah.
I'll get either way.
So home alone too Alone again, or it's,you still need home alone in it somewhere.
Yeah.
The phone number that was given for thePlaza Hotel in the movie is an actual
working number for the Plaza Hotel.
Like whatever it was.

Andy (01:13:10):
That's good.
Marketing for the plaza.

Katie (01:13:12):
Yeah.
I wonder if it still is that same number.
There's a swimming pool scene.
So Kevin does all the things kidslove to do at a hotel and want,
including going to the pool.
But I guess the Plaza doesn't havea swimming pool located on site.
So that was shot at the FourSeasons in Chicago, the pool scene

Andy (01:13:33):
funny.
That's interesting.
Yeah.

Katie (01:13:35):
and more about the plaza.
It still to this day, apparently offersthe home alone experience around Christmas
where guests can pay to stay in a room.
Very similar to the roomin which Kevin stayed.
Receive home alone gifts, includingthe movies, take a limousine and
see some of the filming locations,including the toy store upon which

(01:13:57):
Duncan's Toy Chest was based.
Yeah.

Andy (01:14:00):
Is that still exist?
That I thought FAO Schwartz was gone?
Unless there's a different incarnation of

Katie (01:14:06):
Yeah.
I mean, okay.
I don't know when thattidbit was published, so

Andy (01:14:12):
Oh, okay.

Katie (01:14:13):
for who know?
Yeah.

Andy (01:14:14):
Experience that they offered

Katie (01:14:15):
Yeah.
Or maybe that's just not partof it, but because it was,

Andy (01:14:20):
go.

Katie (01:14:20):
yeah.

Andy (01:14:21):
ever had the chance to go to FAO

Katie (01:14:23):
No,

Andy (01:14:24):
a thing?

Katie (01:14:24):
no.
Did you?

Andy (01:14:25):
was, yeah.
And it's something else

Katie (01:14:28):
Yeah.

Andy (01:14:28):
mean, they that watch big and you, and you get a really good
idea of what it is, now that we'vediscussed this, it's such a missed
opportunity that they didn't do.

Katie (01:14:37):
The toy store.

Andy (01:14:38):
the toy store foiling

Katie (01:14:40):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:14:41):
Harry.
I, why wouldn't you do that?
Why?
What are you thinking?
'cause Columbus and John Hughes.

Katie (01:14:46):
yeah.
You, you wrote it, John, come on.
Ah, yeah, I get frustrated.
During this season, I'm probablymore often than not, a little
frustrated with John Hughes.
He really hits when he hits.
And I think this is a hit, like thisis a, I I'm not, I I just have fun.
Sometimes when podcasting abouta movie, I have fun poking

(01:15:07):
holes in it, where they are.
So I don't want peopleto get upset with me.
I do like this movie, everyone.

Andy (01:15:14):
but it did, it did drop the ball

Katie (01:15:15):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:15:16):
Oh.
Have you ever heard of that movie?
It's a Dwayne, the Rock Johnsonmovie called Skyscraper.

Katie (01:15:22):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:15:23):
kind of came out after Jumanji and.

Katie (01:15:28):
Oh,

Andy (01:15:28):
Andreas and he, it, what's interesting about it is he plays
a vet that ha is missing a leg.
So his family is trapped at the top ofthis smart building skyscraper that is,
has a diehard scenario happening in it.
And the movie is called Skyscraper.

(01:15:49):
The finale takes place at the top ofthe building and the whole time you
are expecting somebody, a villain ora maybe a, loved one to get thrown
off the building and Dwayne Johnson isgoing to jump off the skyscraper and
rescue somebody that's falling fromwhat's being held up in the movie as

(01:16:12):
the biggest building in the world.
then you get to the end and it's not, it'slike a hall of mirrors finale and nobody
falls off the top of the building and.

Katie (01:16:22):
What?

Andy (01:16:23):
feel like you watched this for nothing?

Katie (01:16:25):
Oh, what a let down.
What a let down.

Andy (01:16:28):
this Toy Store finale of Home Alone two now is replacing

Katie (01:16:33):
Huge missed opportunity.

Andy (01:16:34):
opportunity since skyscraper

Katie (01:16:36):
Okay.
Yeah.
For real though,

Andy (01:16:39):
Hmm,

Katie (01:16:41):
I guess, writer and producer John Hughes, like during production
of this, he was already writing scriptdrafts for the third movie in which he
wanted Macaulay to return as a teenager.
But I guess when he found out thatMacaulay Culkin quit acting in 94, he
had to rewrite the story with a new kid.
Yeah.

Andy (01:17:01):
for, for the worst.

Katie (01:17:03):
Yeah, yeah.

Andy (01:17:04):
that was probably for the best too.
You

Katie (01:17:06):
Mm-hmm.
Yep.

Andy (01:17:08):
the colleague GaN on to be a, a big meth head or

Katie (01:17:11):
Yeah,

Andy (01:17:12):
except for 20 years.

Katie (01:17:14):
I don't know man.
Tim Curry, Macaulay Coken, and JoePesci all in this movie reportedly
turned down roles in the LionKing to do this film instead.
Which is weird because the LionKing didn't come out until 94,

Andy (01:17:32):
Yeah.

Katie (01:17:33):
but I don't know if it just,

Andy (01:17:35):
work

Katie (01:17:35):
I assume so.
Yeah, I assume so.
Yeah.

Andy (01:17:38):
don't know, I wasn't that like Matthew Broderick

Katie (01:17:42):
Mm-hmm.
I don't know who they would've been.

Andy (01:17:44):
Tim Curry as a scar

Katie (01:17:46):
Maybe, maybe

Andy (01:17:47):
what that was gonna

Katie (01:17:48):
Hashi.
I could have been one of the hyenasor something like, like I can see,

Andy (01:17:53):
Yeah.
Or timone.

Katie (01:17:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

Andy (01:17:57):
way too much about the Lion King, apparently.

Katie (01:17:59):
really good.
And then you know who wasmissing in this movie?
We had a cameo in the first movie bya very famous comedian, also frequent
collaborator with John Hughes.

Andy (01:18:10):
John

Katie (01:18:11):
Yeah.

Andy (01:18:11):
John Candy.

Katie (01:18:12):
John Candy was not in this

Andy (01:18:16):
Yeah.
Why?

Katie (01:18:17):
well, the original.

Andy (01:18:18):
sense.

Katie (01:18:19):
I'm glad that you asked Andy.

Andy (01:18:22):
But see, did, did he die at this point?

Katie (01:18:24):
No, not, oh,

Andy (01:18:25):
yet.
Mm

Katie (01:18:26):
yet.
The original plan was for John Candyto make a cameo, but I guess he
was bitter about how little moneyhe received from the first film.

Andy (01:18:35):
hmm.

Katie (01:18:36):
And so he refused to do it.

Andy (01:18:38):
You get what?
Get what you're worth.
Get John Candy's worth a lot.
Throw him,

Katie (01:18:42):
he is

Andy (01:18:43):
after the, he did you a favor with the first one?

Katie (01:18:45):
agreed.

Andy (01:18:46):
I would, it would've been awesome if it was the same character.
The Polka

Katie (01:18:50):
Came into play somehow.
Yeah.

Andy (01:18:52):
helps out

Katie (01:18:53):
Yeah.

Andy (01:18:53):
That would've been great

Katie (01:18:54):
Agreed.

Andy (01:18:56):
you know, you don't cut the money to John Candy on set for one day.

Katie (01:19:02):
Yeah, but I guess he was just bitter because they could have given
him more like posts like after thefact because Home Alone was such
a hit and he, however much he gotpaid must not have been very much.

Andy (01:19:13):
backend

Katie (01:19:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:19:15):
agent, John Candy.

Katie (01:19:16):
I know.
Which is unusual because youusually don't hear about him
kinda holding grudges or anything.
It's usually the other way around.
John Hughes is usually the one anyway.
Andy

Andy (01:19:27):
that new doc about him.
That's out now.
There's a New John Candy

Katie (01:19:32):
there on what?
What's it on?

Andy (01:19:34):
Hmm.
It might be Prime or Netflix.
One of the big ones,

Katie (01:19:39):
Okay.
I'm gonna have to check it out.
I do really like John Candy.
Who doesn't, I mean, he's, yeah.
I mean, we could have talkedfor another hour about.
Home alone.
Two, you know, comparing itto the first one, all of it.
We could have talked forever, but wehave to conclude at some point, what
are your closing thoughts about HomeAlone Two, and then please remind

(01:20:00):
us where we can find more of you.

Andy (01:20:03):
Yes, I would love to, thoughts about Home Alone.
Two, it's a, it's a fun movie.
It's, I was glad to have a reason torewatch it, and we are approaching
the holiday season, so, oftentimesI will myself watching the original
and not so much the second one.

Katie (01:20:22):
Mm-hmm.

Andy (01:20:23):
I, I was glad to revisit it.
It reminded me of what mytalent Joe Peci is and how much
I love Tim Curry and O'Hara.
The, all these characters were funto spend another two hours with, and
even though I don't think it's as goodas the first one that doesn't really,

(01:20:49):
Ruin the viewing experienceof the second one.
And like I said, there's a lotof creative ways that they the
formula that makes it fun watch.
So I would, or anybody that wantsto dig into a holiday movie at
the holiday season, this is a verygood one to add to the watch list.

(01:21:11):
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(01:21:36):
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So check that out as well.

Katie (01:21:41):
Great

Andy (01:21:41):
for

Katie (01:21:42):
stuff.
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
Thank you so much for joiningme to talk about this sequel.
And some 92 memories.
So it's always fun tokind of go back in time.
But that is a wrap on Home Alone.
Two, you guys lost in New York.
Proof that light lightning canalmost strike twice, especially
when you've got Tim Curry, pigeonsand a credit card with no limit.

(01:22:03):
If you enjoyed this trip backto 1992, take a second to rate
and review retro Made seriously.
Seriously, it does make a hugedifference and helping other
nostalgia nerds like us find the show.
Or you can always drop me a line.
You can email me, tell me what youthink about Home Alone Two versus
Home Alone, the original bonus points.

(01:22:25):
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