Nate and Hayes, aka Savage Islands (with Tommy Lee Jones) | S2E12 - Retromade

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Katie (01:37):
Hello.
Hello, Katie and this is RetroMade Your Pop Culture Rewind.
Today we're gonna sail back to 1983 forNate and Hayes, the pirate adventure
you probably missed starring aswashbuckling Tommy Lee Jones colonial
chaos and more explosions than you'dexpect from a very forgotten film.

(02:00):
I'm very excited to have returningguest Ryan Alkin with me today.
How's it going,
Ryan?

Ryan Rebalkin (02:05):
It's wonderful to be here, Katie.
Thank you for having me on.

Katie (02:08):
Well, thanks for coming back you purposefully picked
this movie because you hadn't
heard of it, right?

That's correct, yes.
I love a challenge.
It's like I never even heard of the film,so I'm like John Hughes attached to this
picture that I've never heard of before.
Amazing.
Sign me up.

Katie (02:22):
same.

Yeah.

Katie (02:24):
I never, we We'll, we'll
get into it.

Uhhuh.

Katie (02:27):
but why don't you tell us some of your other projects.

Well, sure.
I won't bore your listeners toomuch as if you're listening to this
already on the Director's Chairnetwork, which some of you are.
Of course.
That's where I covercurrently Michael Mann films.
But if you're not, if you're listeningto this on Katie's feed, the Retro
Made Podcast, come check out with thedirector's chair network at Katie's a part
of right now with her John Hughes seasonwhere I also covered just other directors.

(02:51):
My first season was Edwards Wick andall of his films, which Katie joined
me on and Michael Mann films is thecurrent season I'm doing, which Katie
joined me on, and then next seasonI'm covering will be Terrence Melek.
And I'm sure Katie will comeon the Terrance Melek season.

Katie (03:03):
Well, I hope so.

will.
Yeah.
Yep.

Katie (03:05):
Okay, awesome.
Well, we are going to open
the time capsule from 1983.
Ryan, this is one of his earliest
works.

83.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's early.

Katie (03:18):
And now I usually have this wheel that we spin, but.
Since we've already covered, let's see,1983, we've already covered several
categories

Okay.

Katie (03:32):
Mom came out in

Mm mm-hmm.

Katie (03:35):
vacation.

Oh, wow.

Katie (03:38):
what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna give you some trivia questions
from the categories that have notalready been covered from those two
movies.

Okay.
Okay.
Well, however you want to do it.
I don't know how I'm gonna do with myanswers, but I'll have fun playing.

Katie (03:53):
You don't get to spin for
your categories.

That's fine.

Katie (03:55):
you.

That's fine.

Katie (03:57):
this one should be probably the easiest one.
It's big screen time
machine.

Big screen time machine.
Okay.

Katie (04:06):
So top five highest grossing films in the US for 1983,

Oh boy.

Katie (04:13):
if

See, I
sure for, for sure.
Well, I mean, it's funny 'cause I knowwhen you have guests come on, they're,
some of 'em are fantastic about thissort of stuff and I lived this time,
like I was, you know, eight years old in83, so I should have some sort of idea.
But I do get a little bit lost.
Did I see the movie in 83?
So it was already on VHS, whichmeans it came out in 82 or even 81.
83 of course was, well it was Rockythree, so I suspect Rocky three was

(04:39):
see, there you go.
I probably saw it in VHS in 83.

Katie (04:43):
Right, right.

that was 82.
Man, I've covered thatfilm a couple times.
I say I always lose.

Katie (04:48):
Come on, Rocky

I know, I know.
So, rock Rocky four then was 85.
I always remember that one becauseI should do the same with three.
'cause it, you know.

Katie (04:57):
It's

It was Rocky four, but it came out in 85.
Rocky three came out.
Okay.
I should remember.
Okay, let's come back.

Katie (05:01):
It's,

83.
Well, Rocky two was 83.
Okay, well we have, oh, temple ofDoom was see, this is horrible.
I'm doing horrible.
I'm doing horrible.

Katie (05:13):
Okay.

Help me out.
Gimme, gimme some clues.

Katie (05:16):
this for, so

Yeah.

Katie (05:17):
number one.
Which 19 80 83 filmdirected by Richard Mark
Hand

Okay.
I don't know that name.
Okay, C, continue continuewith the next clue.

Katie (05:27):
a groundbreaking space saga and became the highest
grossing movie of that year.

Oh, Jedi.

Katie (05:34):
Yeah, I
didn't know

That was his, what was his name?
Holy smokes.
I don't know the director's name.
Isn't that crazy?

Katie (05:40):
Richard Marquand.

Whoa.
Mandela Effect.
Isn't that weird?
I know.
Lawrence Kazen directed parttwo and George did part three.
Isn't that funny?
I wouldn't, I, in a million yearsgun to my head, I would never come
up with that name who directed Jedi.

Katie (05:52):
I've never
even heard.
So yeah,

Okay.

Katie (05:54):
of the Jedi

Of course do.

Katie (05:56):
the

Yes.
I saw that And I saw it in the theaters.
I was a kid and I saw it in the theater.
Oh yeah.
And I remember hating the Ewoks even then.
Yeah.

Katie (06:04):
I feel like I've remember knowing about the, there was even like an
Ewok cartoon and

There was an Ewok cartoon.

Katie (06:11):
like I did like
about,

Oh no.
Well, yeah.
Okay.
Not that we should genfy the thingsthat we like and don't like, but an
8-year-old boy versus an 8-year-oldgirl might be a little bit different
than their likes back then.
Yeah,

Katie (06:23):
was two at this
time,

right.

Katie (06:26):
anyway,

Yeah.

Katie (06:27):
so the 83 is hard for me 'cause, you know, it was, it seems
like so long ago.

It is a long time ago.
Holy smokes.

Katie (06:35):
now the next one directed by James L.
Brooks, explores the complexities of amother-daughter relationship, won five
Academy Awards, including Best Picture.

Oh not, no.
James Lal.
Bur, I know, I know him very well.
Oh, oh, oh, okay.
Terms of endearment.

Katie (06:54):
Yes.

Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
All right, all right.

Katie (06:57):
right.
Okay, di this next oneis directed by Adrian
Lynn,

Okay.

Katie (07:03):
but you'll, you'll get it by the Clue features a young woman
aspiring to be a professional
dancer known for

Flash dance.

Katie (07:11):
Yeah.
Water

yeah,

Katie (07:12):
Dancing

yeah.
I love it.
I love it.
Yeah.
It's a great song, by the way.
That theme song.
It's a fun song.
Yeah.

Katie (07:19):
fun.

I

Katie (07:20):
it.
Yeah.
I, I haven't seen that in a long time.
I'm gonna have to give it a

remember how risque it felt, even as a young kid, like back then,
how risque that movie seemed to feel.
Is that weird?

Katie (07:29):
scene and

Yeah.
But nothing's really going on.
Like you look at music videos nowadaysor whatever, it's like nothing.
Sauce.

Katie (07:36):
Good point.
Well, also in the early eightiesthere was a movie about teens
in living in a town that they
were prohibited from

Yes, that's right.

Katie (07:46):
'cause it's like the devil.

Dirty dancing and Footloose should have had a crossover.
Some sort of universe crossover, likethose two worlds where one, one has
that's all we do is grind on each other.
And those students try to go tothe school where there's no dancing
loud and watch that conflict.

Katie (08:02):
They were in different decades, but that's okay.
Dirty dancing was set in the
sixties.

Oh gee.
Okay.
Thanks Katie.
Nager.

Katie (08:10):
I have
to ruin it.

Yeah, I know.
Okay, fine.
In this universe, we Okay.
Look at you corrected the,the timeline of these films.
My Paul, you know, I haven't seen ose.
Which one was early ose,which one was early timeline?
You said, when was the sixties?

Katie (08:28):
oh, dirty dancing was set
in the sixties,

it really?

Katie (08:32):
it was
set in the sixties,

Holy smokes.
I, I mean, I know it came outin the eighties, but I didn't
even, I don't even remember.
Isn't it so funny that it, whenit came out, it must have seemed
like, oh, that was so long ago.
The sixties.

Katie (08:43):
Yeah.

Now it's been 40 years since that film came out.

Katie (08:46):
Mm-hmm.

It's like us making a film today, sturdy dancing part three,
but it set in the two thousands.

Katie (08:53):
You're
like, Great.

Great.
Yeah.
In sync.
All right.
Sorry.
I'm

Katie (08:59):
is a comedy directed by John
Landis.

Oh, okay.
Yeah,

Katie (09:03):
Do you
know what it is?

keep going.
Well, 80, well, not, you saidtwo so it's not Ghostbusters.
That was that Landis.
Anyways oh.
John Landis, boy.
Sorry, I, it's gotta think.
Could be something likeBeverly Hills Cop or

Katie (09:18):
socioeconomic backgrounds

train Places.

Katie (09:22):
Yeah.

Okay.
All right.

Katie (09:23):
swap their lives.

Yeah, that was pretty good.
I did it before You said swap.
I said Yeah.
Okay.

Katie (09:29):
Number five.
Directed by John
Batam

Mm.

Katie (09:35):
centers on a young computer whiz who

Oh.

Katie (09:38):
hacks into

War games.

Katie (09:40):
military
supercomputer.

such a funny movie.

Katie (09:43):
don't

So

Katie (09:44):
it.
I don't think I've seen
war

it's weird.
It's a fascinating thought experiment ofa film and it was so high tech back then.
'cause this is when the eightiesyou know, hacking was just
almost science fiction, right?
The idea of hacking was science fiction.
I don't know if you'veever seen Ender's Game.

Katie (09:59):
Mm.

It, I can kind of see where the two, if you've seen
Ender's Game and you know, war games,you can see how the two collide.
I don't wanna spoil anything foreither films, so I'll leave it at that.

Katie (10:07):
Yeah.
War games.
Nearly triggering World
War iii,

Yeah.
Isn't that funny?
We're still waiting for that.
You know, it's, I think, I thinka political World War II has
been happening for 40 years.
I think that's the idea.
Yeah.

Katie (10:19):
Yep.
All right.
You did pretty good.
pretty good.

Well, I, I'll do fine with, this is the thing with trivia.
I'll do fine.
This is perfect.
I love this sort of trivia,like who's in the film?
Let's talk about the film.
But just remembering thebox, like oof, I don't know.
Yeah.
It's all like a blur to me.
The eighties.
What came out in the eighties?
Like what year?

Katie (10:36):
Which

one?

Katie (10:37):
was which?

Yeah.

Katie (10:39):
So the next category is retro runway.

Hmm.

Katie (10:42):
fashion,

Oh boy.

Katie (10:44):
I'll try and pick some easy ones here.
The first one's
very easy.

Okay.

Katie (10:51):
In,

Neon

Katie (10:53):
which pop icon popularized the street urchin look

Streeter.
You'd have to tell me what that is.
I don't know.

Katie (11:01):
by lace
gloves, layered

Oh, oh, of course.
Madonna.
Madonna, yeah.

Katie (11:07):
also very Cindy,
Lauery.

City Lauper, of course.
Yes.
Right.
They both did it.
They both did it.

Katie (11:13):
yep.

Was certainly did it the longest.
Craziest compared to Madonna.
yeah,

Katie (11:18):
yeah.
Let's see.
Which one could you get?
hmm.
Which former punk designerintroduced the mini cranny in 1985?
An abbreviated version of theVictorian crinoline influencing the
Puffball skirts trend of the mid
1980s.

Lauren.

Katie (11:41):
It's
a woman.

Oh I, I have no idea.
I really don't.

Katie (11:44):
Vivian
Westwood.

There's no way.
Yeah, I would've, I would've died again.
Gun to my head.
I would've died again.
That in Jedi, I would've died.

Katie (11:51):
There's a few more that you would definitely not get, so
we'll go on to the next category,

Well, I'm sorry.
You should have had a female Ishouldn't say that, but let's be honest.
Most men, most men don'ttrack fashion design names.
I would say.

Katie (12:06):
You, there's

I don't have any guy.
Well, there might be some, likeI said, like Ralph Lauren or
whatever one Wahlberg, Calvin Klein.

Katie (12:14):
Mm-hmm.

But those are men's fashions.
A lot of those too, so, yeah.

Katie (12:18):
Yeah.

yeah.

Katie (12:20):
Say what, does anything come to mind?
Popular
sayings or catchphrases?

See, 83, I mean, I know there was, where's the Beef?
But I don't even knowif that was that early.
I think it was a little bit later.

Katie (12:33):
A vibrant array of slang terms and expressions,

boy, rad.

Katie (12:39):
iconic sayings.

Gimme one,

Katie (12:42):
Rad.

did I get it?
Did I say rad?
I said Rad.

Katie (12:45):
did.
you,

Yeah.

Katie (12:47):
okay,

did.
Yeah.

Katie (12:48):
rad.

Roll back.
Roll back.
Roll back the tape.

Katie (12:51):
I know I missed things.
Rad.
Sure.
For radical

Yep.

Katie (12:54):
to describe something cool
or awesome.

Yep.

Katie (12:57):
There's
several,

Uh, Yeah.

Katie (12:59):
by
surfers.

Yeah.
I thought that was later.
Let's do this.
You tell me the phrase and I'll tell youif I used it and when about So gnarly.
I would, I think we, that was like,maybe it's state side, it was earlier,
but Canada, that was a little bitlater, late eighties, early nineties.
And that, that was thesurfer culture for sure.
That's gnarly, dude.
Yeah.

Katie (13:17):
Well, a lot
of things

Skateboarders

Katie (13:21):
Because I was, I lived in the middle of the country, in
the US so it just takes longerfor things probably to get to
Canada and like the

some things.
Some, but I watched AllAmerican television though.
That's what I mean.
It was all American movies and television.
So if it was in thefilms, I would've seen it.
But no, they, that's like Billand Ted's type stuff, right?
Yeah.

Katie (13:38):
fast times.
At Ridgemont
High, it was early

Oh, that's true.

Katie (13:41):
you

That's true.

Katie (13:43):
a lot of these sayings started early and then they lasted for a
long

Maybe that's what it is.
It's a teeny, it's bodacious.
I, I remember hearing that.
Yes.
Yes.
What else we got?

Katie (13:52):
Veg
out

Yeah.
Well, well, yeah, I've heard of course.
Yeah, we used to say veg.
I guess that seems likeone that's never gone away.
All I wanna do is vegall weekend, so Yeah.

Katie (14:04):
like the point,
it's like that

for sure.
That one lasted.
That one's lasted.
Okay.

Katie (14:09):
totally.
Tubular

Yes.
Totally tubular.
Yeah.

Katie (14:14):
of these are
like come

Skateboard of surfers.
Yeah.

Katie (14:17):
Valley girl, like, gag me
with a spoon.

Uh, Chill pill for sure.
No, we're not allowed to saythat anymore, by the way.

Katie (14:25):
Oh,
you're not allowed.
Oh.

That's, it's to indicate mental health
like you're taking medication.
Isn't that funny that, that of allthe ones we just talked about, that
one, I forget where I heard, wewere like, oh, you're not really
supposed to say that anymore.
Take a chill pill 'cause somebody'sacting too excitable or whatever.
'cause there's people that deal with thoseconditions that take medicine for it.
But yeah, whatever.
Come on,
take chill pill.
Hey, I like Xanax, baby.
Let's do it.

Katie (14:45):
shit.
I'll take a chill

Yeah.
for sure, man.
If.
Off the record because, you know,I'm just saying in an alternate
universe, Ryan, there you go.
Role play alternate universe, Ryan.
Think I would like Xanax.
I think I would take it if I had handlers,if I was like a celebrity or something.
I think that might be my like, I think Ikind of run on mild anxiety in general.
Like I run on it, I deal withit daily, but I'm not medicated.

(15:09):
Like I just deal with itthrough jogging diet activities.
But it's always on me,if that makes sense.
So, yeah.

Katie (15:17):
Ai, I mean, it does.
Yeah.
I, I'm also an anxiety
ridden person,

Yeah.

Katie (15:21):
take a Xanax.

Oh yeah.
Well,

Katie (15:25):
next one,

Enough.

Katie (15:26):
Scandals,

Ooh.
Okay.
10 F Baker.

Katie (15:31):
I don't
remember when that was.

it was 86, I think it was a little bit later, 86, 87.
But

Katie (15:37):
There was a Miss America controversy,
which,

was a man.
Oh, wait, that's later?
no,

Katie (15:44):
I won't say who does.
I'll see if you can get it.
But in September, 1983, this MissAmerica made history by becoming
the first African American to miss
America, however.

yeah.
Vanessa Williams

Katie (15:55):
Yep,

and she posed nude.
So they, they took, yeah.
See, I remember that.
Not that I've everGoogled that, of course.
But it

Katie (16:03):
No.
So the nude photos, weren'tuntil 84, but she was crowned
in 83 as

That's right.

Katie (16:10):
American,
miss America.

Boy, they were looking for something.
They were just looking for something.

Katie (16:15):
oh yeah, they there were taken before
she was involved in the

That's okay.
That's what I was gonna askif it was before or after.
Okay.

Katie (16:21):
so they were, and apparently they were published without her
consent in

Of course.
Oh no, that's well gross.
Number one.
That's ter you know,let's, what model has it?
Look, I'm not, I'm not a prude in any way.
If a woman wants to take a nude or aman, of course, if people wanna take nude
photos of themselves, especially theseprofessional, it's, it wasn't smut, it was
probably just like Marilyn Murrow did it.
A lot of these actors and actresses dothose kind of sexy shoot, especially

(16:46):
before they're something that they're just

Katie (16:49):
She was trying to make

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Katie (16:52):
of

Nude modeling is very, and the irony now is you have
actors and actresses just taking offtheir colds willy-nilly anyways on TV

Katie (16:59):
Mm-hmm.

with her permission to consent.
So the fact that she had hers soldto a magazine without consent is, is,
and then she gets punished for it.
Isn't that amazing?

Katie (17:07):
Yep.
Yep.
It

Yeah.

Katie (17:09):
her objections, the Miss America Organization pressured her to resign,

Wow.

Katie (17:15):
and she did, leading to Suzette Charles, assuming the title.

How does Suzette feel?
I wonder I mean, did she go, yay I won,or was it kind of like, oh, cool, I guess
I wonder which side she was on with that.
Oh,

Katie (17:29):
you know,

because you're a default one.
You're, you're,

Katie (17:31):
so,

I guess,

Katie (17:32):
don't know.
But yeah, so the incidentsparked discussions on privacy,
consent, and racial tensions,

it did that.
I mean, it could be worse.
At least it did some sort of,sometimes outta these things does come
discussion to the public, so thingsare discussed, but, and I think Vanessa
did okay with the rest of her life.
I think she did fine, didn't she?

Katie (17:53):
yeah.
Yeah.

Okay.

Katie (17:54):
she's

How old is she now?
Sorry.
Sidetracked.
She must be

Katie (18:01):
She has a very unique
look to her.

Yeah.

Katie (18:03):
she has colored eyes,
right?

Yeah, I've seen her in movies and stuff.
Like I've,

Katie (18:08):
Yeah.

of course I know who she is.
She's 62.
Good job.
But I've enjoyed her andstuff, is what I'm saying.
I just one of those names,you're like, oh, of course.
But then you're like, oh yeah,I've seen her in lots of stuff.
Yeah.
Okay.
Done very well for you.
She's fine.
She's been busy on TV theater.
I, boy, she's, the last thingshe has to worry about is
not having that stupid crown.

Katie (18:27):
Right.

Yeah,

Katie (18:29):
But I think that's where she got
her start because of the

yeah.

Katie (18:31):
passion.
Yeah.

Oh, for sure.
Yeah
I knew there was a show that I sawa lot of of her, and she was great
in Desperate Housewife, by the way.
Desperate Housewives.
Guilty pleasure.
I don't care.
My wife and I watched that series.
It is such a fantasticdrama, comedy, drama series.
I love it.
By the way, I, yeah.

Katie (18:46):
remember that was it got a lot of, of award that
Mark Cherry,

Yep.

Katie (18:50):
created it didn't, because they won a bunch of Emmys, like their first year, I
wanna say.

Yeah.

Katie (18:55):
it, reinvigorated a lot of those actresses careers, like all
those actresses were kind of like, kind
of already gone by the

Mm-hmm.

Katie (19:04):
yeah, it was
great.

It's one of the few shows that we binged it on
DVD and I didn't want At to End.
It was one of the few shows where Iwas legit, like, didn't feel burnt out.
It's, it was that good?
Yeah.
That's where housewife plug.
You gotta here folks.

Katie (19:16):
You got hot.
Take one of the

Hot take.

Katie (19:19):
of

How dare you.
How dare you say Hot Take sarcastically.

Katie (19:23):
Uh,

All right.
All right.

Katie (19:25):
Okay.
Let's, let's do a couple more questions.
From fad, flashback,

Oh boy.

Katie (19:31):
phenomenons, right?
That
were fads.

Okay.

Katie (19:36):
Which fitness craze featuring high impact aerobics and neon colored
workout gear exploded in popularity in 83.
Thanks to celebrities like Jane Fonda.

Jazzer or,

Katie (19:50):
yeah, like the answer's kind of dumb, but you're right.
It's just like aerobics culture,
workout culture.

Richard Simmons did it and Yeah.
Yeah,

Katie (20:00):
on tv, like a lot of sitcoms,
they'd have episodes where thepeople would be in their workout
gear and there'd be an

Yeah.
The sweatbands on the wrists and stuff.
Yeah.

Katie (20:10):
warmers.

Do you wanna hear the, you want to hear the
secret to losing weight folks?
And I'm not a professional.
Wanna hear the secret?

Katie (20:16):
Is this
another hot take?

Another hot take.
Okay.
Put this, yeah.
You should have to do hottake moments with Ryan.
A hot, a hot take calorie in, calorie out.
Go figure.
You know, if you store more in yourbody than you output, guess what?
Guess what happens?
Any, any guesses?
Okay.

Katie (20:32):
I couldn't, I
couldn't,

Yeah.

Katie (20:33):
know.

Yeah.
So I, it's just funny.
All these years, all these fads, allthese books is all you have to do guys
is eat properly and do a little bitof exercise, calorie and calorie out.
And I'm not a professional.
I'm just saying that wouldbe my advice, but yeah.

Katie (20:48):
You know, I mean, to your point, this is a
aerobics,

Sure.
Absolutely.
That, that's what I mean.
It doesn't matter what you call it.
Jazzercise, skateboarding, biking,walking, like all these things are good.
Yeah.
Alright.
Join us next week when we, yeah.

Katie (21:04):
Oh my God.
Okay.
What, 1983 fashion trend featured,oversized, brightly colored clothing,
chunky accessories and eccentrichairstyles becoming a symbol of
youth rebellion and self-expression.

Like punk.

Katie (21:19):
It,

Wow.

Katie (21:19):
I don't think the descriptor here is very good.
It's

Hmm.

Katie (21:24):
here's an example of it, and there's a name
for what it is.

Okay.

Katie (21:28):
suits, casual

color.
Oh, pastel.

Katie (21:32):
TV show.

Vice.

Katie (21:34):
Yeah.
It's like,

Yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (21:36):
like the Miami Vice
style, like

Well, I never,
well, you know, to befair, that show was huge.
I loved that show.
I watched that show and was such a,I probably didn't even understand
what I was watching 'cause it waspretty young when I watched it.
But it was just so cool to look at asa, again, as a young boy, you know, see
the cars and the woman and the setupsand Don Johnson was just so cool.
So swab, yeah.

Katie (21:58):
I am very aware of Miami Vice, but I don't know if I've
seen an entire episode of it.

Standby folks.
If you come join the Michael Mannseason, we'll be covering the creator
of Miami Vice and his film versionof that on Michael Mann, Miami Vice.

Katie (22:12):
create the TV

Yes.

Katie (22:14):
Oh, okay.
did not know

Yeah, yeah.
That's totally his that's his stylings.
Once you get to know him a little bitas a director, that's, you can see how
he would be the creator of that look.

Katie (22:24):
yeah, yeah.
Good.
Good point.

Yep.

Katie (22:28):
Alright.
There's a product phenomenon.
1983, a round piece of plastic with twohandles became a craze that gripped the
nation as children and adults alike.
Challenged each otherwith its spinning tricks.

What say the description again

Katie (22:44):
Yeah, I don't know.

a

' Katie (22:46):
em maybe had handles but they don't.
A round piece of plastic spinning tricks.

Oh, yo-yo.
No.

Katie (22:54):
It was a revival of an earlier craze.
What was

Oh,

Katie (22:59):
What was the thing that you, what was the round piece of
plastic called?

the H hoop.

Katie (23:05):
Yeah,

That's it.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.

Katie (23:08):
who.
Yeah.
So the answer is the hula hoop
revival.

Oh, sure.
I do remember that doing thatas a kid and it felt so great
to be able to accomplish it.
It was actually legit.
I remember being youngerthan I, I'm doing it.

Katie (23:20):
I was always good at the
hula hoop.

Oh, wow.

Katie (23:23):
yeah.
But it, there

I

Katie (23:24):
challenges, I
guess.

Remember skipping it.
You skip, you'd use it dependingon the size of the hula hoop.
Did you ever do that?
You skipped through the hole.
Yeah.
yeah,

Katie (23:31):
Jump rope through

Yep.

Katie (23:33):
but yeah, I don't recall the challenge because I was too, at
this time, but I guess in the early
eighties it, it was

Just

Katie (23:40):
phenomenon to do

how long you could do it for?
Probably.
That's probably, it must have been time.
How long you can keep it up for.
Keep it up for, that's, that'smy challenge now when I'm 50.

Katie (23:53):
Okay.
Last one.

Mm-hmm.

Katie (23:55):
watercraft trend gained?
Widespread popularity,symbolizing carefree, summer fun
and beach culture.

what?
Water gun fights or slip and slides or,

Katie (24:05):
Personal watercraft.

oh, jet skis.

Katie (24:10):
Yeah.
Jet

Oh, is that, is that when they came out?
Okay.
Well, that's fair.
I guess they probably weren't se Yeah.
I guess they weren't a seventies thing.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
Have you ever been on one?

Katie (24:19):
I have
not been

Oh, really?

Katie (24:21):
I know.
It's kind of
wild.

It, they're, they're, they're fun.
They're fun.
It's, it's a fun, it's a weird concept.
You just go out and you go fast onthe water and then you come back.
It's a, you don't really go anywhere.
You just literally, 'cause it'slike you usually rent them.
Right?
So you just kind of just, yeah.

Katie (24:38):
Well, and I think I confuse everybody who lives in like a along
the water who maybe owns them.
I, I think I get them confusedbecause there's seadoos and Jet

a lot of different versions of them.
Sure.
Yeah.
It's like saying a motorcycleand there's quads and there's
Yeah, exactly.

Katie (24:53):
some, yeah,

You can usually when I think of a jet ski, I know it says ski.
I just think of the ones youdo sit on and you just, yeah.
yeah, yeah.

Katie (25:04):
right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Alright.

Wow.
The eighties is fun.
That's all this, all this does for me.

Katie (25:09):
capsule.

It just reminds me of how fun the eighties were.
This is what this does,this is why so retro.

Katie (25:15):
Yeah.
So we've set the stage for the,for this movie that I guarantee
nobody has seen for you and I.
Now
so

Yeah.
I'd be surprised

Katie (25:25):
and Hayes.
This

Mm-hmm.

Katie (25:34):
I was kind of sur surprised.
I guess 83 was before.
There was PG 13,
so it was

Okay.
Are, are we getting to that right away?
Are we are we starting offthat discussion right away?
How do you wanna get into that?

Katie (25:44):
We'll kind of
introduce people
to

okay.

Katie (25:47):
first.

Sure,

Katie (25:48):
rated PG and it came out November 18th, 1983.
But I have thoughts about it's
rating.
Speaking of ratings, it's a 6.1,
which is higher than Iwould've thought for an unknown
movie.

But that's a fair reign.
I think that's a cult following rating.
I, I would say that's a fair rating.
I,
I would almost give it, it dependswhere you're looking at it.
I know we're not quite giving a reviewyet, but we're talking about the rating.
I would almost say it's a solidseven if you're going in at it
with what the f am I watching?
But I'm having a blast.

Katie (26:21):
Mm-hmm.

If that makes sense.
I just ended up, I, I let myself goand I was just like, because there
was moments in the film, which we'llget to of course, where I was like,
I can't believe we're doing this.
I can't believe this happened.
So those for me as a, I was entertained.
I wasn't bored.

Katie (26:35):
Yeah.
I had no idea, like zero
expectation.
I

I no trailer.
Did you watch a trailer or nothing?
I just went blind.
I did the same.

Katie (26:45):
And then we will get into it, but I was like, oh,
it's supposed to be funny, you
know,

oh.
Oh, okay.
Well let's just keep going.
Yeah.
That, yeah.
Hilarious.

Katie (26:55):
well, because yeah, you, because I'm like, oh, it's like a
swashbuckling,

Mm-hmm.

Katie (27:00):
we're we're set in the
18 hundreds, like

Sure.

Katie (27:02):
and
pirates.
And so I thought,

Yeah.

Katie (27:04):
be like more serious.
But no, it's a
comedy actually.

I did okay.
Is it a comedy 'cause that's whatthey thought they were making?
Or is it a comedy?
'cause you were laughing.

Katie (27:14):
I smiled a few times.
I

Okay.

Katie (27:16):
instances where it was like, oh, that's cute.
That's funny.
That's witty.
But the genres listed onIMDB are swashbuckler,
which I

That's, that, that, yeah.
Well that's a fair that you thinkof pirates as the Caribbean is,
is a very popular example of that.
So there you go.

Katie (27:32):
Swashbuckler
action, adventure, comedy and romance.

Yeah, I, well, sure, like romance of the stone,
well, a little romance of the stoneish type romance in that setting.
But let me, there's aquote here, right here.
It's on the Wikipedia one of thepeople involved in the film, I think
was either the writer and or director.
He, he actually said thathe was making a comedy,

Katie (27:55):
Mm-hmm.

and I'm like.

Katie (28:00):
Indiana Jones
esque.

okay, so here's the, no, here's the comedy.
I guess we have to get into it.
There's no other wayto describe the comedy.
There is a lot of bloodshed in this film.

Katie (28:11):
Yeah.

Okay?
Like A
bo body count.
And I don't mean body count sexually kids.
So I'm talking about oldschool eighties body count.
Well, we said body countback in the eighties.
Oh, right here, here.
He said the director, RNA DadFairfax he did some TV work.
He said, Fairfax described the film asa tongue in cheek adventure in the style
of Butch Cassidy and the SS kid quote.

(28:34):
I'm not making carry on piratesor anything like that, but I
think it'll be a very funny film.
Very funny film.
It is not funny at all, and Idon't mean that in a bad way.
What I'm getting at is when they killed,they would smirk and glee at the death the
way Jason Vorhees does on Friday the 13th,like the, the death count in this film.

(28:55):
That's the only parts they laugh or jovialabout is, oh, we just killed more people.
It's a weird that that's the smirking.
It's an odd thing.
They're only funny when itcomes to watch the film again.
Every time they smirk or laugh or kind ofshrugged their shoulders at the audience.
Ha.
It's after the, it'safter a kill or near kill,

Katie (29:13):
Yeah, but it's like a, a wink and a nod to
us, you know?

Okay.
But it's not,

Katie (29:18):
to be.
It's, it's, it's, it's sooutlandishly ridiculous.
That's why it's

but it's not even that out.
Okay.
Here's an outlandishfor, you know, kill bill.
Right?
And this is kind of off top.
It's not, think of theviolence and kill bill.
Now that's brutally violent, but thatis over the top in the sense of me,
the scene where Lucy Lu's characterruns across the table, chops off that

Katie (29:37):
Mm-hmm.

Japanese boss's head and the found of blood
comes out that's over the top.
It's so crazy over the, even thoughit's bloody, it's so crazy over the top,
it's obvious that it's over the, youknow, it's so obvious that it's over.
The top heads don't do that.
Bodies don't do that.

Katie (29:49):
Mm-hmm.

This was okay.
When the character, Nathaniel andhis beautiful bride were about to get
married, this was the first time we'relike, holy, where's this film going?
Other than the opening secrets, which wecan get, get to as well, but the preacher
and his wife get shot in the head.

Katie (30:04):
Well,
it's, yeah,

I, but I was like, ho.
But I was like, it's start.
And I didn't know Katie,it's startled to me.
I was like,

Katie (30:10):
You're

their heads get blown off.
They're at a wedding, cer they're,they're at a wedding ceremony and
they get, they get slaughtered.

Katie (30:18):
Yeah.
But that's, it's
that it is meant

That's hilarious.
Oh, it's

Katie (30:22):
it

no, but is that

Katie (30:24):
like it's ridiculous.
Like it's so.

I, I

Katie (30:29):
The,

but I never,

Katie (30:30):
The, the absurdity is the comedic
element.

I guess, but

Katie (30:36):
that, that's what you're getting
into.
Same.

no.
Okay.
That part's true.

Katie (30:40):
I didn't know what I was getting in for.
And like within the firstfive minutes I'm like, oh wow.
So many people die.
And like even in the, the first scene when
the,

His whole crew.

Katie (30:52):
tribe,
the

yeah, it's,

Katie (30:54):
woman

yeah.

Katie (30:56):
and she just like accidentally shoots some of her people and
they're like, oh, that's hilarious.

Okay, well let's talk about, so Tommy Lee Jones character brings
guns to this, I dunno how else to say it.
So I don't mean anything disparaginghere, but a native tribe of this island.
And of course the people in the film,all the natives to the island talk
the, the like me, me strong, youweak, like that kind of language oh
boy, you know, the very eighties.
What else do you expectin the eighties of that?
Kind of like the brokenEnglish from the natives.

(31:25):
So Tommy Lee's, he's gonna exchange gunsfor money or gold or whatever it is.
Give them guns for their fightingand he's gonna be a gold, but she
double cross 'em, takes the weapons.
But this is what I'm getting at.
Hear me out.
So his crew that we see, this islike a he gets caught and we see the
flashback story of him and his crew.
So this is in the future of the film, soto speak, at the beginning of the film.
And what's crazy is the crew that wesee at the beginning of the film, who

(31:50):
gets slaughtered, they get slaughteredby the natives and he's running away
from he escapes the slaughter, butTom Lee Jones character is laughing,
like he's chasing balloons in apark, but his crew just got murdered.
And I, I, I had a hard time connecting.
Where's this funny I'm trying to connectthe character of you because here's the

(32:14):
thing, I didn't know this was a flashforward or this was gonna be, because we
go back and we see these characters thatwe see at the beginning of this film.
We actually get to see them withTom Lee Jones and their, and their
relationships and their friends.
So now we were seeing even moreso, oh, they actually were really
friends with, they had a, afamilial relationship as a crew.
They were crew members.
And then we see at the beginningof the film, those same crew

(32:34):
are just slaughtered around Tom.
Almost oh, well, oh, well, Iguess I'll just get more crew
and friends in my next adventure.
I had a hard time connectingthe humor in that where he's,
he's laughing at his plight.
People are murdered around him.
He's running for his life andit's all just fun and games.

Katie (32:52):
Well, I think the other peop, I don't think Tommy Lee Jones was
laughing at their deaths, but he wasn't.
It was clear
that this wasn't

No, he's not laughing at the, that's what I mean.
He wasn't laughing at their desk, but his.
If you were running for your lifeand saw your crew murdered, would
you be chuckling at your plight thatyou're running away for your life?
Is what I'm getting at that.

Katie (33:10):
he was, yeah, it's, it was very like romancing the stone.
Oh shit.
Oh, there's, ah, crap.
I
gotta, you know.

Yeah.
But so again, I went in blind like youdid, so I had a hard time that, that's
the one thing I do agree with Roger Ebert,where it was inconsistent in the sense of
I didn't know where to put my movie cap.
Now I enjoyed the film and theadventures and that's what Pirates did
very well is that they picked a lane.
There is comedy and there is death,but it's, but you always see a, the

(33:38):
wink is always there with this one.
It was, it was so brutal at timeswhere I, I didn't get what was
funny and there's some like brutalviolence where there was no humor.
I didn't get it.
I didn't get why that was funny.

Katie (33:49):
Being
impaled

yeah.
Oh yeah.

Katie (33:51):
immediately, the
first five minutes, like

Yes.

Katie (33:54):
die like in a atrocious ways.
Well,
so, Okay.
let's,

Okay.
Okay.
Sorry.
Yeah, sure, sure.

Katie (34:00):
brought up Ferdinand
Fairfax's,

Okay.
Yeah.
What?
What has he done?

Katie (34:05):
well, he's an English
director, nominated for two BAFTAs he'smostly known for like TV and TV movies.
And so I haven't, know what Gevsand Wooster is, but that must be a
British show

Must be

Katie (34:21):
and then Winston Churchill, the wilderness years, I, I think was like
a, maybe a miniseries or something.
So he, he was nominatedfor Baptist for those.
I feel like I've heard thatname before, but I couldn't
tell you anything else.
He's

wasn't that a rock band?

Katie (34:36):
for and then the writers on
this.

Okay.
Yeah, of course.
This is the John Hughes connection.

Katie (34:43):
yes.
This is why we're coveringit on retro Made season two.
John Hughes.
Lloyd Phillips, I think was theoriginator of the story this Nate and
Hayes story that was then repurposed.
And he was a producer of
this film too.

right.

Katie (34:58):
And he's

Was it based on a novel?
Was it by or No.

Katie (35:00):
Yeah.
He must have wrote, don't knowin what format this story was,
but it was based on a story by
Lloyd Phillips

Okay.

Katie (35:09):
is he's more so a producer nowadays and he's South African.
He also produced 12
Monkeys Man of Steel and in Glorious
bastards

Wow.
Okay.
So it's notable projects there for sure.
Yeah.

Katie (35:22):
David Odell.
So then he and John Hughes kind ofreworked that created the screenplay.
so David

Right.

Katie (35:30):
Who he is.
He won an Emmy for the Muppet
Show writing on the

Oh wow.
That's the comedy.

Katie (35:36):
Yeah.
And he also wrote The Dark Crystaland Masters of the Universe.

Dark Crystal is one of the scariest films I ever saw as
a kid in the theater, but I loved it.

Katie (35:46):
it.

So he's big.
Yeah.
I'm looking at his writercredit So big on The Muppet.
He's a big Muppet guy.
Okay.
And the Muppets can be pretty zanyand kind of weirdly violent in
their own way, but puppet violence.
Right.
So he also wrote Masters of theUniverse, yet Tales of the Dark Side.
But The Dark Crystal is yeah, themovie was a great movie, by the way.
But scary.

Katie (36:06):
to add that to my list too.
So, and then John Hughes was the other
writer

Okay, so I gotta ask you right away, I gotta ask you right away,
where was the John Hughes in this film?
You know what I mean by that?
Like, where was his touch?
Where was it, where or where do you think?
Because I, I'm watching this whole filmand I'm not, I want to be clear here.
I'm not being critical of this film.
I would watch this film again.

Katie (36:28):
Yeah, same.

It was a fun film.
It's just I was, I think I would have towatch it again now that I know the tone.
Whatever that tone is.
yeah,

Katie (36:36):
yeah.
You know, I think here's my take on,where's the John Hughes in this, I
think this is before he became the
John Hughes that we

Mm-hmm.

Katie (36:46):
And so he's making his way building a name.
So I don't, I don't think therewas like a particular touch.
I think he was just, we'rehiring you to do this, this,
job to kind of

I can see the, the relationship stuff, probably
obviously the, the, the 3 0 8triangle of the two men going for
Sophie, played by Jenny Seagrove.
I could see that being the case, that sortof banter talk and that sort of stuff.
'cause there was certainly a lotof, especially by Tommy I would
suspect John was probably partof the clever dialogue writing

Katie (37:15):
'cause there's
some witty stuff in there.
Yeah.
There's a lot of little things said,like remarks by characters that
could just be throwaway, but thenyou're like, oh, oh, that was funny.
Or, oh, that was clever.
Or, you know, and some of it wasmeant to be funny and I didn't
really think it was that funny.
Like the tropes about, oh, somethinglike, the movie there are things they say

(37:38):
about women, oh, you can't trust a woman,
even a dead one.
Or,

Yeah, well

Katie (37:41):
that,

that's probably John Hughes and, but here, here's another,
here's another good line here.
Ben Pease says, you shouldfeel flattered, Missy.
Not everyone gets offered to the gods.
And then Sophie says, just the woman.
That's a great low line there.
That's probably John Hughes.
So those kind of lines, I think

Katie (37:56):
point.

yeah.

Katie (37:58):
Good point.
Yeah.
So, you guys

I'm ruining your show.
I'm going all over the place.
I apply.

Katie (38:03):
I like it's, that's the way that this is gonna be because this
movie, I guarantee nobody's seen it.
The description is a swashbucklingadventure, which takes place in
the mid 18 hundreds on the SouthPacific Islands where bloody raids
and battles were once rule of the
day.

Bloody indeed.

Katie (38:21):
And say you, so Tommy Lee Jones is in this movie.
I, it took me a minute.
I was like, oh, that's Tommy Lee Jones.
I am so not used to seeing a young,almost handsome Tommy Lee Jones.

36.

Katie (38:38):
Yeah,

36 in the film.
Well, I, I recognize him.
That's say, I don't know how hedid, but I recognize him right away.
I thought he was great.
I

Katie (38:45):
but I
was like,

yeah, sure.

Katie (38:46):
just so used to like, he has
hair and he's kind of

Yeah, no, he looked great.
He actually looked great.
I mean, he's 36 he still looks 55.
He, because he looked 55 for 25 years.
Right.

Katie (38:58):
Mm-hmm.

But he he was great.
I mean, look, he's a good actor and whatI liked about seeing him in this hill,
'cause he does very serious roles, seeingof course he think old country where old
man or a lot of his are the fugitive.
He's always kind of playing aserious authoritative kind of figure.
That's his, no, that'shis bread and butter.
That's fine.
That every actor kind of has theirniche that they play in to play it safe.

(39:18):
And seeing him in the early of his careerwhere maybe he didn't even take himself
very seriously and he wasn't like,worried about how he would look or sound.
It was kind of fun to watch.
A silly, put it this way, the lasttime I saw Tom Jones be silly was in
the bat Batman Robin Film or BatmanForever film where he plays two face

Katie (39:38):
Mm-hmm.

was not very good.
His character was annoying in that.
Now he, he's a great actor, but hewas annoying the way he portrayed it.
And maybe that was the directionand the script combined.
I get it.
But what I'm getting at seeinghim here in these early, his early
career, you know, 40 odd years ago,seeing a young, and yeah, I would
say he's a handsome Tom Lee Jones.
And it was fun to see him energetic, fun,bouncing around doing his own stunts.

(40:04):
And he could have easily been, andwe're gonna talk about this Indiana
Jones, he could have easily done that.
I think he could have done that role.
That's how good I thought he was.
I thought he was quite fun to watchand he was the highlight for me.

Katie (40:14):
Well, this was before he was able to do that , maybe because he wasn't
a big star at
this

No, I think he was sort of an unknown.
Yeah.
I don't think he was like, oh,Tommy Jones is in that film.
I gotta see that.
Yeah.

Katie (40:26):
So he's the main character.
He plays Captain Bully
Hayes.

Mm-hmm.

Katie (40:31):
in real life,
this was a real

Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I couldn't believe that.
Yeah.

Katie (40:36):
a ship captain called William
Henry, nicknamed Bully Hayes,who sailed in the South Pacific
Sea during the mid 19th centuryuntil he was murdered in 1877.
We'll get to some triviaabout that character a little
bit later.
But our other characters, the, thesecond build is Michael O'Keefe

mm-hmm.

Katie (40:57):
Nathaniel.

Now he looks familiar.

Katie (40:59):
yep, yep.
The reason I know
who he is, is

I'm trying to think of what,

Katie (41:04):
he played Fred on Roseanne, Jackie's
husband,

I didn't watch that show, but I'm, but he's got one of
those faces where like you've, again,oh, I've seen that face before.
In film and tv.
Yeah.

Katie (41:14):
known.
Yeah.
So he's Fred and, and he'snot an attractive man in
Roseanne,

It's the teeth.

Katie (41:20):
he's younger.

The teeth you got.
I dunno why No.
If you look, sorry, I'm a teeth guy.
I'm sorry.
We all have our thing, right?
Some people like feet,some people like butts.
I'm, if your teeth are

Katie (41:31):
Jacked.

hard.

Katie (41:33):
Yeah.

like it's amazing how like if he had his teeth
straightened and fixed, he'd belike that much more handsome.
It was.
I saw his teeth.

Katie (41:40):
nice looking in

Yeah.

Katie (41:42):
he
is young

Yeah.

Katie (41:44):
yeah.

teeth were

Katie (41:45):
Mm-hmm.

messed up.
You know,

Katie (41:47):
in the eighties.
I don't think everybodyhad perfect teeth like it
was you

I'm a teeth guy.
I love it.
I love when I see teethfixed on TV shows and stuff.
I love it.
Actors and actress.
When I see Perfect teeth good.
Got fixed, it looks great.

Katie (42:00):
Yeah.
I guess some people I'm like, I kindof like the imperfection as long
as they're not like super jacked,
you know, like,

Well, like, um, you know who I, yes.
It bugs me.

Katie (42:11):
that he, I like that he didn't
get his teeth fixed.

They don't have to be to but the fact that I, he came, comes
to mind tells me something, right.

Katie (42:19):
Madonna, the
space between her teeth, like

That's fine.
That's fine.
That's fine.
Look at jewel and Avril Levinewith that little I like that.
That's fine.
The little, they're little pointersthat they have, so it doesn't have
to be perfect in the, you know,

Katie (42:32):
Yeah.

anyways.
Look at me.
I'm such a, so stupid.

Katie (42:36):
Well,

I just notice it.
I, the funny thing is, I thoughthe was a handsome guy too.
He's a good looking guy, but then heopens his mouth and you're like, oh, okay.
That's, that's a turnoff.

Katie (42:44):
I kind of don't think, I, I think by the time he was in
Roseanne, I think he must have
gotten them straightened

Maybe

Katie (42:51):
recall ever noticing his teeth in Roseanne.
But he also, he, he's in a
ton of stuff.
He's kinda one of those guys.
any, did you ever watch the show?
Sneaky Pete with Giovanni
Ribisi?

No, but I, I, it, I I heard it's good.
And it's a religious show, right?
So I that's, oh, I thought it was okay.
Lemme think of another one.
I know which show you're talkingabout by title, but I haven't seen it.
I was thinking of something.
Okay.
Anyways.
No, I haven't seen itto answer your question.

Katie (43:17):
plays a detective Michael
O'Keefe, on that
show.

Oh

Katie (43:21):
and then he was also in Homeland, the
Claire Danes

yes, that, you know what?
I don't know why Ihaven't seen that series.
'cause it falls intoeverything I love about tv.
I just, it's, it is on my forevergrowing cue, and I know it's already old,

Katie (43:34):
Yeah.

of, but I don't care.
I'm gonna, I am gonna watch it one day.
'cause I, yeah,

Katie (43:38):
Claire Danes is
just spectacular.

she's, she's lovely.
Yeah, she's lovely.
Yeah.

Katie (43:42):
But we talked about, or I did, I think I did that episode
solo

Oh,

Katie (43:47):
Michael O'Keeffe was in three wishes with, with
Patrick

oh, of course I listened to that, but I
forgot about him being in that.
Fair enough.
Yeah.

Katie (43:55):
version of
Tom in three

Oh, okay.
There you go.

Katie (44:00):
Ben Pease, he quite
the character

looks familiar,

Katie (44:05):
was the Slave traitor and , he was like our antagonist in this,
movie.

right?
Played by Maxwell Phipps.

Katie (44:12):
Max

Am I get
Max
Phipps
right?

Katie (44:16):
I

Oh,

Katie (44:17):
I didn't,
know

was the Mad Max.
Of course.

Katie (44:21):
the road warrior.
He played the
tote.

That's right.
He did look familiar and I didsort of seen that movie recently.
So yeah, he did a lot of Australian stuff.
Of course, he died fairly young.
Age 60

Katie (44:31):
Oh really?

in 2000.
Yeah,

Katie (44:33):
There was a mini series.
Maybe this is a thing inAustralia, the dismissal.
I was unfamiliar to me, buthe he's known for a lot of
TV stuff and

right.
Looks like it.
Yeah.

Katie (44:44):
yeah.
So that's Ben Pease and then wetalked about there being a little
bit of a love triangle.
So, Nathaniel, Nate issupposed to be marrying Sophie.
They're going to bemissionaries on this island
together, and they're

Right.

Katie (44:58):
Sophie's played by Jenny Seagrove.
Did

Okay.

Katie (45:02):
anything, Ryan,

No, but I was enamored.
I, you know.

Katie (45:07):
were?

Yeah.
And I can totally see why thisis where it totally makes sense.
I like, I'm watching this as a Yeah.
A straight guy, youknow, watching this film.
And of course I'm older than hercharacter is in this film, but I'm
putting myself with these characters,these men, and I'm like, yeah,
I can see why you'd be enamored.
She is.
She's gorgeous, she's lovely.
And she, she nailed the role.
I hate to say sometimes that whenthey cast the love interest in

(45:29):
these, especially these earlierfilms, the woman are sometimes, Hmm.

Katie (45:33):
throwaway.

throw away or written poorly, or, she was great.
She acted tough, she wasresilient, she was funny.

Katie (45:40):
Mm-hmm.

when she was about to be sacrificed, it wasn't over the top.
I'll, kate Capshaw and Temple Doom.

Katie (45:45):
Mm-hmm.

Speaking of which, can we,
yeah, can we, can we talkabout Temple Doom for a second?
'cause I'm a huge Temple Doom like fan,
so there's two scenes in thisfilm, one in particular, where I
was like which one came out first?

Katie (46:00):
Well,

the answer.
I know the answer.

Katie (46:02):
Okay.

So I'm sure most of your listeners have seen Temple to Doom,
and Temple Doom has one of the bestscenes in movie history, which I love.
And now I'm feeling a littlebit angry because I've,

Katie (46:13):
movie.

they took it
from the, I, I couldn't believe it.
So Tom Lee Jones at the beginningof this film has a bridge scene
where he's being trapped by the.
Locals, I'll say that of the island.
He escapes them folks by cutting thebridge and he flies down with the bridge.
This film was finished production whenTemple Doom went into production by the
same movie company and Indiana Jones'.

(46:36):
Exact same stunt orsequence in that film now.
It's done very well, andHarrison Ford looks amazing.
It's the best Harrison Ford's ever lookedon film is that sequence on the bridge.
He's just the manliest manthat like it's Peak Man.
Is that Harrison Ford onthat bridge is Peak man.
I can't help it.
I'm like, again, I'm a straightguy, but every time I see him on

(46:57):
that bridge, he can't help it.
Oh man, that is peak manhood.
Anyways, that sequence by the samefilm company, Katie, they took it
from Savage Islands, or sorry, thiswas you originally called Savage
Islands from Nate and the Hayes.

Katie (47:08):
Nate and Hayes?
For the American audience,it's called Nate and Hayes,
but it was made in New Zealand.
Like it's a New Zealand
company.

That's right.

Katie (47:17):
a little bit more more about that because, because Paramount
let it go because it was so similarto the original Indiana Jones
that they didn't,

They had a feel.
But yeah, it, it was, it's like sayingStar Trek and Star Wars are similar.
Like it's silly that they did thatwith poor Savage Islands because it
was a, it, they, they just dumped it.
And this is why, this is whyno one knows about this film.
They dumped it
and it's like saying Romanthe stone is too much.
That was the flavor of those years.
That's so it's not fair.

Katie (47:48):
I

That was the flavor in these early eighties films.
The, the kind of crocodile Dundee there'sa lot of examples of this swashbuckling
in the jungle, whatever type adventures.
And I, I honestly, I think theydumped it to steal some of the
ideas with the woman in peril.
The sacrifice of the woman at the end.
Again, those, the St.
Kate Capshaw was about to be sacrificed.

(48:09):
All, all these adventuresSavage Islands is pre-em doom.
I think they stole this film.
I'm, I'm, I, it breaksmy heart to say this.

Katie (48:18):
Well, I don't know Indiana Jones as well as you do.
I forget which, whathappened in which movie?
You know,
So what was the

I'm telling you,

Katie (48:26):
The
Raiders of the
Lost Ark?
Was

RA off Yeah.
Came out in 81, I think.
Don't quote me on that folks,but early, early eighties.
And,

Katie (48:32):
some of the criticism that this movie got was that it was very,
it's, I mean, it is in the same
tone.
Like it's a, it's

but yeah, that,

Katie (48:38):
of

but that's the irony is Temple Doom came out after this.
So the irony is Temple Doom is this movie.
So this movie didn't rip offTemple Dooms the other way around.
Sure.
It had this,
I, I understand that.
But there's, the irony isit's nothing like Raiders.
It's nothing at all like Raiders.
It's more like Temple.
I think they buried this movie to makethat narrative when it's not true.

(49:00):
It's not like Raiders at all.

Katie (49:02):
well, I mean, just the general
like adventure,

Buckley.
Sure.
But that's the whole point.
Swashbuckling movies, the voice existed.
Raiders is a rip off of otherfields before it's time.

Katie (49:11):
True.
But yeah,

Sorry.
I'm actually defending thisfilm and I love Temple Doom.
Don't get me wrong,

Katie (49:16):
so it being in New Zealand, so I'll get into that
now actually.

Sure.

Katie (49:19):
the budget for this was $12 million, that's 7.5
New Zealand dollars.
Now it only grossed $2 million worldwide

Right.

Katie (49:29):
some information.
So whilst it is true that thisfilm was not a box office success,
it may be unfair to blame thepublic completely for it, for not

Mm-hmm.

Katie (49:39):
Right.

what I mean.

Katie (49:40):
Studios had agreed to bankroll this medium budget project, which
was being filmed in New Zealand.
When the studio were presented withthe final cut in the summer of 83, they
were concerned at some of the stylisticsimilarities with Raiders of the
Lost Ark from 1981.

out, I think.
I guarantee you.
Look at me.
Conspiracy hat on.
I don't care.
I don't care.
This is why we do these shows.
They knew Temple Doom was coming.
They wanted to borrow from this film.
That's what I'm getting at.
There's no similarities with,it's a different timepiece.
It's Ocean Water Islands, all that stufftakes place in Temple Doom, not Raiders
was a, was in the desert looking fora lost arc with the, with the Nazis

Katie (50:19):
well, it

this.
Sorry.

Katie (50:22):
so that was a huge
hit, right?
Indiana

Of course.
Of course.

Katie (50:25):
then during the summer of 1983, Steven Spielberg was
already in pre-production withRaiders Sequel Indiana Jones and the
Temple of Dune that

Sure.

Katie (50:35):
1984 with a, so they were assuming this is gonna be a tent poll,
summer release for 84.
So not wanting to have twoold fashioned swashbuckling
adventure films

Mm.

Katie (50:47):
a year of each other for fear of affecting the advertising,
publicity and box officepotential of the Spielberg film.
So they knew that was probablygonna be a successful, they
didn't wanna take away from that.
and remember that Harrison Fordhugely popular star by this
point, whereas Tommy Lee Jones waspractically unknown at this time.
Paramount decided to cut their losses andgive this film only a small, relatively

(51:12):
publicity free

Oh, you're driving me crazy.
It's, it's, it's feedinginto my conspiracy.

Katie (51:18):
of

Yeah.

Katie (51:19):
had to

Yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (51:20):
So they had to, so it was released in the fall of 83 where it would go
unnoticed, sandwiched between the likesof James Bond film, never say Never again,
1983 and the Clint Eastwood thriller.
Sudden Impact also, 1983, the IndianaJones film was subsequently released
just over half a year later, whereit was unsurprisingly a huge hit

(51:42):
earning back more than 10 times its
budget.

Guess what happened?
Nobody said, Hey, I sawthis on Savage Islands.
That's my point.
They were able to release this film, stillthe bridge idea and the Virgin Sacrifice
idea and all that swash block andadventure that we've seen Temple to Dom.
Then there's no one crying foul.
This already happened in thatunknown Tom Lee Jones film.
It was actually kind of fun.

(52:07):
I'm sorry.
I think the, what what happened was,is Steven probably said, you know what?
I kind of like what they're doing here.
I want to do it.
I wanna do it better.
Bury this film.
Done.
Period.
I'm sorry.
It's so convenient that they're like,oh, we don't want, why would they
even consider that Steven would be insome sort of trouble with this film?
So the guy was fricking StevenSpielberg in the eighties, et this oh,

(52:33):
we, we don't want Nate and Hayes to,to take away the box office of Indy.
No, they didn't want this film to dowhat exactly what I'm talking about.
People say, Hey, we justsaw this a year ago.

Katie (52:43):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I think you're right on the money.

It breaks my heart to say it though.
That's why I'm sick.
'cause I love Temple Doom.
But now I'm like, oh.
'cause again, the mo, I went to thismovie blind and the first thing I did,
Katie, when I saw the bridge sequence,the first thing I did was pause the
film and double check the release date.
And there you go.
On the trivia was the verything that you just read.
I'm like, yes, Timble Doom.
So I'm like, oh, isn't that convenient?
Both by the same movie company and all mybrain went together like Occam's Razor.

(53:12):
Why did this happen?
Well, the easiest explanationis they didn't want, they
didn't want their 10 pole movie.
Yes, rightfully so.
To be accused of plagiarism.

Katie (53:20):
The other thing, I got a lot of vibes.
One of my favorite movies is Romancing
the Stone,

Of course,

Katie (53:26):
came out in what, 85 maybe.
And there was a lot of similaritiesfrom this movie in Romancing the Stone
too.
Okay.
So,

came out the same year.
So they were in productionat the same time?

Katie (53:40):
Yeah.

yeah,

Katie (53:41):
interesting because this is, this did come out first.
I wonder why though, becauseit's known as Savage Islands in
New Zealand.

Mm-hmm.

Katie (53:51):
was basically released only in
New Zealand and the

Yeah.
On the other side of the world, thoseNew Zealanders don't have the, you
know, they're not, they're not gonnatell anyone in the US about this.
And they didn't like, we're onlyknown about this now, like it worked.
This was buried.
This was buried.

Katie (54:07):
but why did they change the name for the US audience?
Savage Islands is better,
I

Maybe even 'cause, well I think it even maybe them for
political correctness to say Savage.
I think it was savage wasn't used.
It could be confused with,'cause you don't say that
about the inhabitants anymore.
And even though it might justmean the term, oh, it's brutal.
It's a brutal island.
I think when they titled itSavage, I think they're referring
to the people, honestly.
'cause this whole movie was based on thepeople that lived there and what they did.

Katie (54:35):
Well, what was the guy's name or the, the island.
They go with the king ppe.
They're like, oh, you know, the,it has reputation for being really
they, they are brutal people.
They eat
up, they eat

Yeah,

Katie (54:48):
There's some scenes where, like the, those people are shown to lick their
lips when they bring in the new people.
Like they're

yeah.

Katie (54:54):
like salivating to eat them or
something.

Again, temple Doom.
You know that creepiness, it's all there.
I, it's, it's,
it is insane.
And again, I love, it breaks my heart.
'cause Temple Doom is actuallymy favorite indie film.
And now this is this movie.
Katie.
Shame on you.
This movie has actually tarnishedmy fandom of Temple just a
little bit, knowing that thisis probably what happened.

Katie (55:17):
There's so much from it.
Temple Doom's my favoriteIndiana Jones movie too.
now that I'm thinking throughand I loved all those tropes.
Isn't that the one where they eat
like monkey brains

Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (55:28):
yeah,

And the, you know what I wish they'd done?
I wish they put Kate Cap on this filmand put Jenny Seagrove in the indie
film, then you would have a perfect film.

Katie (55:37):
yeah.

Kate Capcha was the one of the most annoying characters.
Look, I get it.
Steven, Steven married her later.
I, I understand She had big, you know,she had big, she was very healthy.
And I think

Katie (55:47):
She was well, so that's why she
was in it because Were they

I, yes,
yes, they got married eitherduring the filming or after
it, but they fell in love.
I think it was during the filming of it.

Katie (55:58):
Oh,

I get it.
Steven's still just a guy.

Katie (56:01):
in
it then

I, yeah, good question.
I think they met on theset, but I could be wrong.

Katie (56:07):
Yeah.
So there's a few other charactersin this movie that you won't
know their names because

Yeah, they, sorry, they met on the set.
There you go.

Katie (56:15):
they, okay.

And they married in 91.

Katie (56:19):
And then when did they get divorced?

Oh, are they divorced now?

Katie (56:22):
I assume
so.
I guess I
Maybe

no.
They've been married since 91.

Katie (56:27):
Well,

Yeah.

Katie (56:28):
Look

for them.
Yeah.

Katie (56:29):
Yeah.
I

Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good for,

Katie (56:31):
the rest of the cast on Nate and Hayes.
AKA Savage Island.
It's just Nate and Hayesisn't very descriptive.
I don't, I
don't know.
It just,

no, look, I like, don't get me wrong, I, sorry.
I like Savage Islands.
Dude.
That's a great title.
Sorry.
Yes.
Nate and Hayes.
Sounds like a,

Katie (56:45):
You don't know what

it sounds like a,
it sounds like a gay love story.
I thought, I thought we were gonna dohonestly, I thought, oh, this is gonna
be some sort of like independent artfilm about Nate and Hayes, or both
the married men or whatever, but theyhave the little tri in the summer.
I honestly had no idea what thisfilm just by the title alone.

Katie (57:01):
The title gives you no indication what kind of movie it is.
But getting back to Jenny Seagrove,

Yeah, please.

Katie (57:08):
She's
English and

Mm-hmm.

Katie (57:10):
she's known for a TV miniseries called a Woman of Substance.

Mm.

Katie (57:15):
But that's about it.
And then everybody else is eitherNew Zealand actor, Australian
actor, New Zealand actor,
New Zealand actor.

And the one American actor.

Katie (57:24):
and so Mr.
Blake is another character.
He's played by Bruce All Press,grant Tilly plays Count Rittenberg.
That was kind of a funcharacter, this German count.
And they kept saying thisis like the president.
I'm a Count.
Oh.
. Admiral.

Yeah.

Katie (57:41):
it's count, whatever.
I actually

He's,

Katie (57:43):
of funny.
Like

and he was the one that was that fought Tommy Lee at the very end.
His character.
They had the big fight at on the ship.
Is that the one we're talking about?
Yeah,
he's the older gentleman.
It's kind of short.

Katie (57:55):
yep.

Yeah.
Which is interesting that, I mean,it is just weird that that was the
final fight for Tommy Lee Jonescharacter, where he had a hard time
with that older Port Lee gentleman.
That's the only thingthat was weird about that.
Like the, the guy handledhimself in a so fight.
Maybe he was just a good warriorback in the day and he, he had one
last hurrah before he got killed.

Katie (58:15):
Then Louis Beck was the auctioneer and then the King of Pan Nappe was quite
the character,

Yes.

Katie (58:24):
like super fat

he was like a Simone job of the hut.

Katie (58:29):
yeah.
So
he's like,

He really like.

Katie (58:32):
they, they offer up Sophie as
sacrifice to, to

That's right.

Katie (58:36):
to this,
King.

Yeah, he, yeah.

Katie (58:39):
by a man named Prince Tuy.
Teka,
like that's

Oh,

Katie (58:43):
name.

good for him.

Katie (58:45):
Maori singer and
actor.

Oh, wow.

Katie (58:48):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

Yeah.
All fun.
Char again, every characterwas fun and, and colorful.
This is a, again, a funfilm, but it is not for kids.
I don't think.
I would you say a, an 8-year-oldshould watch this film,
for example, or 9-year-old?

Katie (59:05):
but

don't,

Katie (59:06):
this is before well, so in, in America we're fine
with violence as long as you

yeah, there's no boobs.
I, I would've been fine if Jenny had adisrobing scene, but, you know, well,

Katie (59:16):
Amer, we're, so, we're like,
violence is fine.

violence is fine.
Yeah.

Katie (59:20):
because PG 13 did not yet exist in 1983.

I guess not.
Yeah.
This is a weird, I don't knowwhat you'd rate this today.
Probably 14 I don't know, 14 e.

Katie (59:30):
probably.

13 or whatever you guys have.
I think we call it 14a in Canada, but yeah.
Okay,

Katie (59:34):
Yeah.
I mean, it is, I actually think likethe violence now, granted, I think
the tone of the violence is partiallywhy they, it is not meant to be
taken so

okay.
But there was times that therewere just, it was just violence.

Katie (59:48):
Yeah.

I love violence.
I love I love a violent filmbecause has nothing to do with that.
But I didn't know where to put the,you know, when you watch a film, like
again, I, Quentin Tarantino film, youkind of know where to put your brain.
Okay, we're doing Tarantino, weknow it's gonna go somewhere.
Like I'm prepared, it'sgoing here with this film.
It's like, oh, we went there.
Like they just shot those two oldpeople in the head at a wedding.
Like what?

(01:00:09):
Hilarious.

Katie (01:00:10):
Speaking of those people, what was that character's name?
The guy with the glasses on the island.
What was that dude's name?
Moca.
Moca was the character's name.
He comes
running to tell them

Ryan Rebalkin (01:00:20):
Oh yeah.
Yeah

Katie (01:00:21):
that, that Nate and Sophie are there and turns out it's the
reverend and his wife, and that's the
aunt and uncle of

that's right.
That's right.

Katie (01:00:30):
They're gonna get married and they're gonna be
missionaries on this island.
And he comes to tell them that they'rethere and he calls them Big man God, mama
Jesus Christ.

Yeah.

Katie (01:00:41):
little
things like that that were

Yes.

Katie (01:00:43):
funny.
And they're like, don't call us that.
It's it's like blasphemous or
something.

And what, you know what's even funnier?
That same character we thoughtwe'd see throughout the
film gets brutally murdered.
You know, he's saying, but at thefilm, he gets shot in the back.
Mary gets his back.
Yeah, he gets his like back blown out.

Katie (01:00:58):
Yeah.
Yeah.
He

I'm like, oh okay, you're dead.
That's your, like hewas, that's the thing.
So it's interesting, they, they kindof provided these interesting and
memorable characters just to havethem later have their heads blown off.
It's like,

Katie (01:01:13):
happened to, did Ratbag die?
I, I thought he was kindof a fun character too.
Also, just the name Ratbag.
He was

which character did he play again?

Katie (01:01:21):
the smaller he was

Oh yeah,

Katie (01:01:23):
Jones

yeah.
Oh yeah.
So I think, okay.
'cause we see the Flash,the beginning of the film.
Him and his number two Tom Lee Jonescharacter's number two guy played by,

Katie (01:01:34):
it Mr.
Blake?

Yeah, I think that's him.
You know what famous scene he had?
This is like totally nerding out here.
He had the famous scene in the Lord ofthe Rings, the two towers where he was on
the wall of the the Battle of Helms Deep.
He's a character named Aldo.
And I was like, really?
That's him a very small role.
I think his, his arrow goes offaccidentally or something like that.

(01:01:58):
Anyways, that's him again.
New Zealand makes sense, Lord.
The Rings was filmed in NewZealand, but that being said, so Mr.
Blake?
Yeah, so Mr.
Blake and Rap Bank, we never see theirdesks, but the gates close on them
as they're surrounded by the Savagessurround these two characters and we see
Tom Lee Jones chuckling as he runs awayas his number two person, the person he

(01:02:20):
could, you know, worked with and, and,and was his like co-captain so to speak.
And friend.

Katie (01:02:25):
Yeah.

about to be, you know, probably eaten or skewered and he's
just running away, kind of chuckling.
That's what I mean.
Like his, we, that's what evenmakes it more weird, is we see the
backstory of how close they were.
And Tom Lee Jones made noindication that he was gonna rescue
them, that he cared about them.
He just chuckled as he's running away.
It's just a weird.

Katie (01:02:46):
There basically, there's three people that matter in this movie,
Nate

Yeah.

Katie (01:02:51):
Bully.
This should have been calledNate and Bully, because they
call him Bully the whole time.
They never call him
Hayes.

Well that's what's weird.
Yeah, that's his last name andNathaniel's his first name.
So they got one character's name andthe title is the first name, and then
the other character is their last name.
So this should have been, yeah.
Bully and Nate

Katie (01:03:08):
yeah,

or Williamson and Hayes

Katie (01:03:10):
yeah.
Or Savage
Islands.

or Savage Islands

Katie (01:03:16):
yeah.

the or.
Sophie, Nate and Hayes.
Anyways, what,
two men and a lady?

Katie (01:03:22):
the music was very Indiana Jones esque
as well.
Didn't you

Yeah.

Katie (01:03:26):
the

Yes.
And guess who was a very famous composer?
Very famous composer,

Katie (01:03:31):
And what

yes.

Katie (01:03:32):
did he compose,
Ryan?

Last Mohicans.

Katie (01:03:35):
Yeah.
Which we co, which we

It.

Katie (01:03:37):
on the network, the Director's chair network
for

fantastic.
Yeah, we did for the Ed Zwick season.
Sorry for the Michael Mann season,
and that's fantastic 'causeI, I saw that, I'm like wow.
Early, early for him.
He had done just before that,just five films, so it was
fairly early in his career.
And Low did we know that he is gonnacreate one of the greatest soundtracks
of all time in the last Mohicans,where he was nominated for Golden

(01:04:05):
Globes and all that good stuff.
But yeah,

Katie (01:04:07):
He also
did cliff.
Yep.
Cliffhanger and some funny, like someother movies that kind of more in, in this
theme or Tone Labyrinth and Arachnophobia.

right?
Yeah.

Katie (01:04:22):
But then on the exact opposite end of that spectrum, Mississippi Burning,
you know,

Oh yeah.
The

Katie (01:04:28):
last

feel, feel Good movie of the year.

Katie (01:04:31):
yeah, yeah.
So , I guess I think I would needto give it a, a rewatch 'cause.
I literally had no idea whatI was getting myself in for.
then I really did enjoy the waythey did the setup, though, like
the first five minutes of the movie
he's Tommy Lee Jones is like a gun runner,

(01:04:51):
and he escapes death.
And, but just when you think hegets away, he meets someone who's
clearly like a frenemy or something.
When

Right,

Katie (01:05:01):
We're like, oh, he clearly knows him.
And it's like
they're, they're like

right.

Katie (01:05:04):
terms, but they also hate
each other.

Yeah.

Katie (01:05:07):
arrested and put in jail.
And for some reason
or

Yeah.

Katie (01:05:14):
is put

Yeah.

Katie (01:05:15):
cell with
him to write a

That's the idea.
'cause he's a real person, right?
So you could argue if they're takingthe real angle, this was a real person
that is in history, that you havea historian saying, okay, well here
you're about to be hung for your crimes.
Tell me about your life.
Tell me about your story.
And Tommy Lee Jones goes into theold, well, the reason why I ended
up here today is, here we go.
And then we see again, the crew thathe has all these life and adventures

(01:05:38):
with that we just saw killed.
That's what I, I took this literally, notliterally, but I, I was really watching
this oh, we're seeing those charactersthat we just saw slaughtered, because I
didn't think we'd ever see them again.
Right?

Katie (01:05:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah,

so it was interesting to see these characters that we
just saw killed and or captured.
Now we're seeing theirlife in adventure together.
, It's weird.
So when you re-watch the film, re-watchthe beginning, I'm almost curious
to do it now, just now that we knowthe characters and what happens to
them where he's so blase about it.

Katie (01:06:08):
Blase, that's a good word for it.
But because it took me a minute torealize that things were supposed
to be funny 'cause I, again, no
idea what I was

Yeah.
Right,

Katie (01:06:18):
And we see these guys going through a rainforest

right.

Katie (01:06:23):
and there's a snake, so it's sort of like the anti

You right, right.

Katie (01:06:27):
'cause he is like, oh, were you afraid of a snake?
And he just
picks it up,

Yeah.

Katie (01:06:30):
and throws it.
He doesn't
kill it or anything.
But

Right.

Katie (01:06:34):
bag, and kills it, puts it in his bag and he's like,
oh, lemme make a nice little bag
later.
Or something like, so it's like littlethings like that that I was like, wait,
okay, is this

Right.
The way Indiana Jones is funny,that kind of humorous, it's not
a comedy, but there's like a,
the wink at the camera, the smirk.

Katie (01:06:53):
definitely.
And when, when Nate'scharacter, so there's confusion.
So this piece comes to the island, shootslike immediately disrupts the wedding.
And you see it happening 'cause there'scuts back and forth, between, and so
it's like very clear that they come andI was not expecting for the immediate
carnage.
And I was

Yeah.

Katie (01:07:12):
shit.

wedding.
Yeah.
That is a wedding crasher,you're literally murdering

Katie (01:07:17):
And

everyone.

Katie (01:07:18):
putting like chains
and shackles

Yeah.

Katie (01:07:21):
islanders
and, and it's like, oh,

It,

Katie (01:07:24):
is stealing them.

oh, yeah.
There's a, there's a byline orthere's a sub subplot throughout
the film about slavery.
It's an anti-slaverymessage throughout the film.

Katie (01:07:31):
Well, he's
a slave trader.

Yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (01:07:34):
Peas.
And then there's a pointwhere they go to an auction.
They're clearly selling
people,

Right.

Katie (01:07:41):
he's trying to get on the good side of this German count.
he's like.
All, like any decent country has
outlawed slavery by now.

Right,

Katie (01:07:52):
No, no, no, no.
They're not slaves.
They're
contract workers or

Yeah, sure.

Katie (01:07:57):
And then the whorehouse scene, it was a bit all over the place, but it was
once

scene is,
yeah, no scene is boring though.
No scene is boring.
Like every setup is kind of fun.
It, it, look, it doesn't quite makesense in the the way things segue
to each other, the way the fasttraveling that the characters do.
There's a lot of.
I can see why it has a cult.
This is a movie that has a cult falling.
These are the type of moviesthat have the cult falling.

(01:08:26):
Because when you kind of let yourself justenjoy the film, there's a lot to enjoy.
But it's not objectively, it'snot a good film in that you like,
oh, this is well put together.
This all makes sense.
The tone fits.
It is discombobulated, but it's crazy fun.
It's, I don't know how to explain it.
I'm glad I got to see this, and Ireally wanna recommend to everyone.
And I rented this on YouTube.
How did you watch it?

Katie (01:08:47):
I got it from my
library.
Mm-hmm.

Okay.
All right.
I, and I wish the YouTubedidn't, it didn't have captions.
That's the only, it bugged me, so someof the accents were a little bit tough.
So I had, I, I do appreciatesubtitles for those types of things,
but did you watch those subtitles?

Katie (01:09:02):
Mm-hmm.

darn it.
Okay.
Yeah, it's, I know.
So I rented it from YouTube and I went tothis closed caption and it was grayed out.
I'm like, oh, you gotta be kidding me.
But anyways,

Katie (01:09:11):
that.
'cause I,

yeah,

Katie (01:09:12):
Same.
But yeah, I think another rewatch, 'causeonce I realized I was just supposed to go
with it and

Right,

Katie (01:09:19):
and listen for the
humor and just some of

right.

Katie (01:09:22):
and again, I think it's, when I say funny or
humor, it's

Sure.

Katie (01:09:27):
of it

Absurd is a good, that's a better word.
It's absurd.

Katie (01:09:30):
absurd.
You know, heads rolling out of barrels and

Yeah.

Katie (01:09:34):
know,

There's, that's where I forgot about the, yes.
We have a basket full of heads.

Katie (01:09:40):
and that's not enough for this king
PPE

That's right.

Katie (01:09:44):
was.
That's, I want more.
I want more.
And then they're like, all right,well, we're gonna sacrifice this
woman.

Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:09:50):
say the, the entrance into that island when they go
to the PPE place was really
cool.
The way

Yeah.

Katie (01:09:59):
a boat garage and then this.
I don't even know how you describe the

All the
mechanics and stuff.
Yeah, well I was saying to myself,this is where that millions went.
They really, they didn't,yeah, it's not cheaply done,
like the ship that they're on.
Then they had that war ship at the end.
I was like, I don't know how theybuilt or where they got that thing
from the war ship that they built.
I think it was just a fakewarship because it was kind of
small, you know, wasn't very big.
But it's like they really, theydidn't cheap out on the movie.

(01:10:27):
And it's disappointing that it failedbecause I think it deserves a bigger, I
think it deserves a bigger audience andwe can blame Paramount for bury this film.
Like at the end of theday, this film was buried.
It could have been easily a, I don'tthink it would've blown up at the
box office, but I don't, I think theycould have made their money back.

Katie (01:10:44):
for sure.
It was also really beautiful.
I mean,

Yeah.
The islands Fiji

Katie (01:10:49):
and

Yeah.
Have you been there before?

Katie (01:10:51):
not have

Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
It's.

Katie (01:10:53):
both New
Zealand and Fiji.

Yes.

Katie (01:10:56):
Wow.

sailing, yeah.
When you sail, you getto go to these places.
Yeah.
In the Navy.
Yeah,

Katie (01:11:01):
sail on a ship
like they had?

yeah, yeah.
That little battleship almost, almost,

Katie (01:11:07):
Another funny thing is there's all this carnage on the island.
Nate then goes out on this ricketyraft just out in the ocean.
I was like, where did he think he was
going to

right?

Katie (01:11:16):
save Sophie
on this rickety

Yeah, yeah, I know.

Katie (01:11:19):
he gets, he hits like a tiny little
rock

Yeah.
He said in the middle of some low is lowenough tide, either that was a very high
sea mount or very, very low tie where heshould have just walked back to the land.
But I, the idea is he's on this,it's called the sea mount, but
it's poking outta the water.
'cause the tide was low enough thathe was able to wave to the, anyways.
Yeah.

Katie (01:11:39):
well,

I try not to make sense of it.
It just is what it is.
Yeah.

Katie (01:11:42):
so, but his, his raft sinks and no.
Now he's stuck on this rock.
Like I,
there was no land

It's called the sea mount.
It's called the sea mount by the way.

Katie (01:11:51):
Okay.
Thank you

Hey, if you're gonna correct me on my foot loose timeline,
I'm gonna correct you on this.

Katie (01:11:56):
on the sea mount, but it's in the
middle of the ocean, like there's

That's right.

Katie (01:12:00):
near.
And then he sees the, the
ship.
So he's like,

Yeah.

Katie (01:12:03):
Can save me.
And one of bullies, I think itwas even ratbag, he's like, their
vantage point, it looks like he's
walking on water.

Yes.
Yeah,

Katie (01:12:11):
Jesus, he is walking on

yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's those are funny.
Mo Granted, those are the funny moments.
Look, the movie is funny.
I, I get, I get those moments were funny.
The, the parts that just threw me offwas when they were, every time they
were in a battle, it was always a,a smirk and a kind of shrug of the
shoulders as they, as they killed.

(01:12:34):
There was this weird it's okay to kill.
You're in a battle, you're gonnafight, you're gonna kill people.
But it was always kinda ah,I just chopped his head off.
Ah, I just, you know, it wasalways like they stumbled upon
the action, if that makes sense.
And they're just like, yay.

Katie (01:12:46):
Yeah.

Yeah.

Katie (01:12:47):
Yeah.
Yeah, a lot of these movieskind of a similar vein.
What did you think aboutthe love triangle in that?
Immediately we see Sophie betray herfiance and she's like super into bully.
Like right away.

Oh yeah, she's hot for Boley and he's, I don't know,
he, I guess he, I guess the way helooked at it was like, he's gonna be
leaving on the ship and I'm moving theisland and I'll let her have this fun.
And I guess to his credit, he wasnot the jealous, jealous type.
He kind of let her fiance,let his fiance flirt, I guess.

Katie (01:13:19):
He, he was very clearly jealous.
But

Oh, sure.
I would be too.
That's my fiance

Katie (01:13:26):
but

buddy.

Katie (01:13:27):
writes, bully a letter that Nate
finds

Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:13:32):
he, he actually gives bully the
letter.

Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:13:37):
Then

Yeah.

Katie (01:13:38):
have a conversation about who gets her.
They both want her and now they'relike, no, no, you can have her.
No, no.
You can have her.
Hey,

Yeah.

Katie (01:13:46):
let her
decide.

Well, and that was actually, that's what I was say.
To their credit, they, theyacknowledged that, well, at the end
of the day, it'll be her decision.
Yeah.
And I do like that she ended up with Nate.
I think that was nice that she gother, she got to have her little
fun fantasy like with bully.
You know, but at the end of the day,she chose the more stable relationship,
which I actually appreciated.

Katie (01:14:07):
I wasn't sure.
I kind of had a feeling, but what wascool is that obviously like via these
adventures, they all

Right?
Yes.
Right.

Katie (01:14:15):
bully is about to be hanged,
we see the

Oh, yes.
Right.

Katie (01:14:21):
and Sophie's now part of the action and they save
him.
There's just

A spoiler by the way.
Spoiler.
Yeah.
Oh, well,

Katie (01:14:27):
get hung.

you know what's funny is I watched the Cisco
neighbor review of this on YouTube.
They showed that scene
for their movie clip on,that's the ending of the movie.
They spoiled the movie.

Katie (01:14:43):
Interesting.

I know.
That's a big, I didn't knowthat Reveal was coming, did you?

Katie (01:14:47):
No.

Yeah.
That's a fun reveal that thereverend, the spoiler, spoiler.
Spoiler folks.
But I'm just saying 'causeit was a fun spoiler.
So I'm just saying this thatyeah, when the reverend who's
gonna hang bully is now Nate.
And that's how, 'cause I was wonderinghow is he gonna get out of that?
I was legit I don't know howhe's gonna get outta this.
So I thought it was clever.
And of course Nate and Sophie are like,they're religious missionaries, but

(01:15:10):
they're kind of like that swashbuckling.
They're the gunfighters gun slingers.
I thought that was great.
You could almost have a sequelof these three, you know, and
Yeah, this could have, yeah,

Katie (01:15:19):
been Indiana Jones, you

could have been another.

Katie (01:15:21):
like a

Yeah.
Well, well, ES did Stone got a sequel.

Katie (01:15:25):
Yeah.

So, yeah, it's, it's too bad.
This kind of got, yeah, it'stoo bad it got side sidelined.

Katie (01:15:31):
Agreed.
Yeah.
I mean, it was
fun.

Mm-hmm.
Oh,

Katie (01:15:35):
was a fun, movie.
I also would recommend it.
They did soften the character.
So
in real

of course.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Sure.

Katie (01:15:43):
was a, in 1970, a biography about him called Captain Billy Hayes,
black Birder and Bigamist Frank Clunestated that the real William Henry
Hayes was often described as a roguecheat swindler, barrer, Buccaneer
biker bigamist, free booter polygamist,seducer murderer, pirate slave trader

(01:16:03):
robber rapist, hooligan and bully,but was never convicted in any civil
court of law for any serious criminal
offense.

well, so he is fine.

Katie (01:16:13):
yeah, yeah,

He's the p, he's the P diddy of his time.
He's fine.
He's innocent or not, not guilty.

Katie (01:16:19):
were partners In real life, the enemies in the movie,
Pease, Ben Pease

Yeah.

Katie (01:16:24):
Bully.
But in real life, those twocharacters were, they were
both like the shitty Ben Pease
character in real
life.

Right.
Yeah,

Katie (01:16:32):
softened
it for this
movie.

Well, yeah.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
So it's not, it is not a legit history.

Katie (01:16:41):
correct.

Yeah.

Katie (01:16:42):
Yeah.
I, I don't know.
I, I liked seeing a young
Tommy Lee Jones.
And I love romancing theStone and it felt like kind of
similar to that.

Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:16:52):
perfect you

No,

Katie (01:16:54):
but

it's not perfect, but that's why I give a seven.

Katie (01:16:57):
yeah.
That's a good,

I get

Katie (01:16:59):
what are your, what are your
closing thoughts

Okay.
My closing thoughts are we've spoileda lot, but because there's so much
in it and it's such an adventure.
It's like us telling you that aThanksgiving dinner and all the
ingredients and how we enjoyed it andwhat we got for dessert, I would still
recommend you come join the meal too.
So watch this movie.
It's a fun adventure.
And I'd be curious what, whatother people think of it.
I, I've never heard of this film before.

(01:17:23):
In fact, when you gave me like, oh,just reminder, we're doing this in
a couple weeks, which I appreciated.
Thank you, by the way.
I was like, oh yeah, Nate, hey, I'mdoing that film and I, I, again, I
just put it on YouTube rentals andI was like, oh, it looks like he's
wearing a pirate outfit or something.
So I'm like, okay, it's not a, youknow, it's not a gay love story
and, or it could have been, I guess.

(01:17:44):
But the point is I honestly thought it wasgonna be like a coming of age drummers.
I, I had no idea.
Yeah.

Katie (01:17:49):
thought
too.

But it's a, at the end of the day, I don't like
rating things but it's a fun film.
It's not a perfect film.
It's a weird film, but that'swhat makes it a fun film because
it's so not anything you would seetoday, something that belongs in
the eighties, but in a good way.
It is an eighties film, which I love it.
So it fits in the eighties.

Katie (01:18:10):
I
like that.

Yeah.

Katie (01:18:12):
it.

It's a retro film through and through.
'cause the dialogue, the, the, some of thelanguage, the tropes, it's old eighties.
There's so much that was done in thisfilm that would not be done today,
which I love, you know, which I love.
Yeah.

Katie (01:18:24):
I mean, hey, that's
what we do here on Retro

Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:18:26):
we do stuff from the eighties and the nineties.
So, you guys

Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:18:30):
Naden Hayes report back.
What, what did you think?
But for our discussion on retromade, that is it for Nate Hayes.
It's a Wild Ride, piratescomedic, adventure, and
unexpected Tommy Lee Jones Energy.
And if this episode's scratched youradventure itch, please follow the show,
leave a review or send me a message.

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