Sixteen Candles | S2E8 - Retromade

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Katie (02:58):
Hello.
Hello, I'm Katie andwelcome to Retro Made.
You Are Pop Culture Rewind.
Welcome back.
Today we're gonna flash back to 1984.
We're gonna revisit 16 candles, the filmthat launched a thousand crushes and
Immortalized Teenage Awkwardness in thisJohn Hughes Classic and the unforgettable

(03:19):
pop culture landscape of 1984.
Returning to the show are twoof my favorite time traveling
podcasters, Jamie and Milo from theeighties and nineties Uncensored.

Milo (03:31):
Yes.
Oh,

Katie (03:33):
pop culture nostalgia.
They also created pod chums, a communityhelping indie podcasters connect and grow.
It's always a blast having you guys,what's new, what's going on in your world?

Milo (03:45):
hey.

Jamie Fenderson (03:45):
on?

Milo (03:46):
Yeah.
Boy, lots going on in our worldthese days doing podcasts.
Yeah.
We got pod hums.
We've got the POIs watching old movies.
Jamie's moving.
Mm-hmm.

Like, middle
aged life changes and
stuff.
It's

Milo (04:02):
Yeah.
Yeah, I might.

Katie (04:05):
Oh, that's

Milo (04:06):
Yeah.

Katie (04:07):
right?

now I'm truly middle aged 'cause I had my first colonoscopy, so
I'm good to, I'm in the
club.

Milo (04:13):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (04:14):
I'm lucky enough to not have joined that club yet, But not

Milo (04:18):
But the,

Katie (04:19):
probably

Milo (04:19):
and on the plus side, they found everything they were looking for in there.
They got it all out, allthe toys, all the wick.
They found him.
He was alive and well.
So, all good up there.

fella.
Finally found him.

Katie (04:35):
Milo, I see you have your eighties and nineties uncensored mug.

Milo (04:37):
Yeah, of course.

Katie (04:39):
I love

Milo (04:39):
When joining a podcast.

Katie (04:41):
Tell us more about pod rums.
What's the scoop?
Tell, tell the listeners about it,

Milo (04:46):
jb, it's your baby.

So we started pod chums as just a way to connect with other
podcasters, kind of a podcast guild thatyou're a founding member of, by the way.

Katie (04:59):
Mm-hmm.

just a place where we can go, maybe find collaboration
opportunities, maybe share someinsider information about podcasting.
And we, we just got a wholeinflux of new members that.
we have to introduce you to.

Katie (05:14):
That.

was just kind of like just us for a little while,
but now with the policy awards,we've invited some others, so we're
gonna have to have a, like a little.
Intro to all the new members.
But it's fun because, you know, you,you have the big podcasts and they're
part of big networks and little podcastslike us, we don't get that, right?
we kind of made one and it's, it's,it's, it's just our own literal

(05:39):
kind of, it's a network, right?
But a network in that we can all kindof like, collaborate together and share
Maybe guest cosst have a cross-promotionalmarketing opportunities, whatever.
So I I think it's fun.
I think us little podcastersdeserve a community for ourselves,

(05:59):
you know what I'm saying?
We don't have to, we don't have to be thebig guys to have our own thing going on.

Katie (06:04):
Agreed.
I love it.
You meet great people andthere's a pod chums like podcast.
There's a

Mm-hmm.

Katie (06:09):
goes along with it, so that's
fun.
Especially if you're a podcaster.
And you know, speaking ofnetworks, I also wanted to remind.
Retro made listeners that if you like todive into the films of specific directors,
this season of Retro Made is actually onthe network, the director's chair, because

(06:31):
I'm covering John Hughes this season.
So if you like that kind of stuff.
They have Mann this season.
There's Brian De Palma, ed Swick.
I feel like I'm forgetting someone.
So head on over to the director'schair for other fun Goodness.

Milo (06:48):
Awesome.

Katie (06:49):
Okay.
further ado, you guys, there's a newspin on the time capsule this season,

I see what you did there.

Katie (06:56):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, yeah,
can you guys see

Oh

Milo (07:00):
Yep.

Katie (07:01):
Okay, so I've created the categories on the retro
made time capsule wheel.
Here.
I'm gonna spin on your behalf, seewhat category we come to, and we
will test your 1984 knowledge guys.
So,

Milo (07:18):
If you had your coffee, Jamie, this is the brain.
Brain firing.

Katie (07:23):
all right,

yeah.
I'm ready.
I'm
ready to
do this.

Milo (07:26):
All right.

Katie (07:26):
Commercial countdown.

Milo (07:28):
right.

Katie (07:29):
In a 1984 ad campaign targeting kids and tweens, this fruit drink
brand featured an animated picturemascot who burst through the walls,
ex exclaiming, his famous line,

Milo (07:43):
Oh, we need to say the line, not the brand.
Okay.
Yeah.
Kool-Aid.

Katie (07:49):
and, and what was the brand?

Milo (07:51):
Kool-Aid on that one.
Yeah, we know that.

Katie (07:54):
Kool-Aid man.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.

And I like how all the kids were always like,
Oh, ko, it's the Kool-Aid, man.
We're in real life.
He'd be terrified.
This giant Kool-Aid pitcher just busted
the brick wall of you.
He's like,
oh,
yeah.
You're

Milo (08:07):
Oh, yeah.
Right away.
Mm-hmm.
You could do a lot with it.
You drink the Kool-Aid as is.
You freeze it in your ice cube traysand make little Kool-Aid pops out of it.

Katie (08:20):
You

Milo (08:20):
Uh.

Katie (08:21):
To

Milo (08:21):
Vodka.
Exactly, yes.
All kinds of stuff youcould do with Kool-Aid.

it to clean up
metal.
So

Milo (08:28):
Kool-Aid.

Katie (08:29):
like that?

Yeah, if you, if you concentrate it, there's an
acid and you can clean stuff
with
it.

Katie (08:33):
Oh,

Milo (08:34):
Oh

Katie (08:34):
horrifying.

Milo (08:35):
yeah.

Katie (08:36):
consume

Milo (08:37):
we'd drink it.

Katie (08:38):
Uhhuh.
there's another one.
In 1984, this athletic shoe companyaired high energy TV spot featuring
the slogan just for the fun of it.
it.
Was promoting aerobicsin inspired sneakers.
And this was shortly before this company'smarket dominance was eclipsed by Nike.

(09:00):
brand Was it

Adidas,

Milo (09:04):
Oh yeah, I was thinking Reebok, but it could be Adidas as well.

Katie (09:07):
Miley.
Miley.
I.
I combined your names.
You guys are now Miley.

Milo (09:11):
That's fine.
Yeah.
We're like a married couple.
We're Miley.

someday, Milo, we

Milo (09:16):
Yep.

name
it.

Milo (09:17):
Miley.

Katie (09:18):
come.
Milo.
You are correct.

Oh, good job.

Katie (09:22):
Reebok.
Just for the fun of it.

Milo (09:25):
Yeah.

Katie (09:26):
another category.
You guys are doing pretty good.
Fad, flashback.
This particular type of dance exploded inpopularity thanks to certain films that
I won't say because it'll give it away.
But they were released in 1984.

(09:47):
It began as urban street culture, Andthen it hit the national stage Spawning
competitions and TV appearances.
What was it?

Milo (09:58):
And recently in this year's Olympics in France.

Yeah.

Milo (10:03):
Yeah.
We know.

Australian gal
who

Milo (10:07):
Yeah.

Katie (10:07):
and done.
One and done though.
And what, so what's the answer?
You guys

breaking.

Milo (10:11):
dancing.

Katie (10:12):
break
dancing and

Milo (10:13):
Or breaking.

Breakin came

Milo (10:15):
Mm-hmm.
Yep.

in 1984.

Katie (10:17):
that was the movie that I didn't want to name

yeah,
that's the movie.

Katie (10:22):
it, yeah.
yeah,

Milo (10:22):
Yeah.

And then, Yeah.
breakin.
That was pre big.
That was like, that was justahead of the movie we're talking
about in in the box office.
Yeah.

Milo (10:33):
Oh, good.
We're doing all right, Jamie.
It'd be embarrassing if we do apodcast about the eighties and
couldn't answer any questions about it.

podcast is like four and a half years old and we,
and we, we didn't know anything.
That'd be embarrassing.

Katie (10:45):
Let's do another one, so you guys already won break dancing as

Milo (10:48):
Yay.

Katie (10:50):
VHS vault.
These are always fun.
So VHS Vault is rentals that were big.
Like you went to Blockbuster, likewhat were the top, we'll say six.
Because two of the moviesthat were in the top.

(11:12):
VHS rentals at the time coveredlast season on my ultimate everyman.
So keep

Milo (11:18):
Hmm.

Katie (11:18):
in mind.

Milo (11:19):
That's a hint.

Katie (11:20):
why there, I'm doing six instead of five.
Do we have any guessesbefore I start with clues?

Milo (11:26):
Okay.
Well, it's gotta be stuff that cameout, like around that timeframe.
VHS uh, when Roadhouse came out.

out a little a little later, so you could even get
stuff from 1983

Milo (11:39):
Yeah.
Like a dirty

Return of the Jedi
might be
there.

Milo (11:43):
Hmm.
Yeah.
Or no.
Empire Strikes back would be 83.

Katie (11:49):
I'm gonna stop You you're wrong because I am kind of surprised by these.

Milo (11:54):
Okay.

Katie (11:54):
I

Oh,

Katie (11:55):
pull them out of
my brain because this isearly VHS time, right?

Milo (12:02):
You know,

Katie (12:03):
84.

Milo (12:04):
Robocop maybe

Katie (12:05):
not

no, no.
no.
Robocops
leader,

Milo (12:08):
is it

and the Blockbuster wasn't even around you.
You had like mom and pop video stores,

Katie (12:14):
mm-hmm.

so you had the video stores that were kind of
musky that, that some guy owned.

Katie (12:19):
Exactly.

Bob's
video store and

Katie (12:23):
Yes.

Milo (12:24):
had the section in the back that you had to walk through the beads and,
and you're like looking to see if yourneighbor's dad is, is coming out of there.

section.
You're like,

Milo (12:32):
Yeah.

Timmy's dad.

Milo (12:34):
Yeah, I know him.

Katie (12:35):
and your options were very limited at this time, which

Milo (12:38):
Okay.

Katie (12:39):
why.
So the first one, is 1984.
This is why I'm
surprised by this.
One of the, the number one rentedvideo in 1984 was, here's your hint.
A coked up kingpin with a little friend.

Oh,

Milo (12:56):
Scarface
Scarface.
came out in the seventies.

didn't it 1981,

Katie (13:02):
it was, it was, might have been 82, but

maybe 82.

Milo (13:06):
Oh, see, I was thinking late seventies, like 78 or 79, 8.
Okay.

Katie (13:11):
But yeah, so Scarface.

Milo (13:14):
Wow.
Wouldn't have guessed that.

Katie (13:16):
Now I will say I know this because Brian De Palma directed that,
and I was just mentioning that Iwas on a network with De Palma, so I
know this because I listened to the

Milo (13:27):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (13:28):
Scarface was not a popular movie when it first came out.
Like at the theater, it becamepopular on video rental.
So it just took a, took it a couple years.

It's one of
those slow burners.

Milo (13:40):
Yeah,

Katie (13:41):
And then the next one.
I covered it on my Kurt Russelland Patrick Swayze season, and I
had a very hard time finding it,which is ironic because it was the
number two most rented movie in1984, but it was super hard to find.
Now it is a real life nuclearwhistleblower played by Streep.

Oh,
is bringing back something.

Milo (14:07):
this does sound, so I'm guessing Street, Meryl Streep uh,

Katie (14:11):
it also.

Milo (14:13):
All the president's men?
No, no, they weren't in that.

This one's stump.
This one's stumping me.

Katie (14:20):
because you probably haven't seen it.

Milo (14:22):
hmm.
Okay.

Katie (14:24):
Silkwood,

Milo (14:25):
Oh, okay.
I have not seen Silkwood.
No, I've, I've

Katie (14:28):
Mm-hmm.

Milo (14:29):
heard of it, but I've never seen it.
Yeah.

Katie (14:31):
It's very good.

How come?
How come?
This sounds like a greatcast and a cool story.
And why haven't we seen this?
Where is it, why is it, whydo people withhold it from us?

Katie (14:43):
now I, so when I did the episode, it was not available to stream anywhere,

Milo (14:49):
That's why.

Katie (14:50):
literally rented it from my library, requested it, but I think
it is now on one of the streamers.
So just search for Silkwood.
It's very good.
And it's based on True story.

Milo (14:59):
Okay.

We are gonna watch that.
Milo.

Milo (15:03):
Yeah, I think we gotta do that one on our show.

Katie (15:05):
guys, if you

No, we're gonna
listen to the episode
too.

Milo (15:08):
yeah.

We're gonna, we're gonna listen to the episode first thing.

Katie (15:11):
Okay.
next one.
A tear jerking tale ofmothers and daughters.

Milo (15:19):
Beaches.

beaches, but
beaches didn't come out till
later.

Milo (15:23):
Yeah, the

out in
the, like the
later
eighties

Milo (15:26):
two.

Katie (15:26):
to think.
I

tears of endearment,

Katie (15:29):
yes.

Milo (15:30):
Ooh, good one, Jamie.
Good job.

and I only.

Katie (15:33):
to, yeah.
You

I only know about that because I recently did a article
or something that I was writing and I,I've never seen that either, but it.
was
like, best picture
or something.
It has

Milo (15:44):
Yeah.

of accolades and I've never, I never saw It So now that I'm old,
probably because of 1984, I'm a kid andI don't care about that kind of stuff.
now that I'm old, I think I mightactually put that on my list to watch
it and I might actually like it, whichis sad, which means I'm getting old, but

Katie (16:00):
It happens to the best of us,

yeah.

Katie (16:03):
Okay.
A Plymouth Fury with a murderous streak.

Milo (16:09):
Oh, that's, oh, I know that it's called

Christine.

Milo (16:12):
Chris.
Yeah.
There you go.
Good job.

I love that movie.
See, that's probably
more of
style when

Milo (16:19):
Yeah, same.

Katie (16:20):
what a wild premise, eh?

Yeah.
the jealous car

Milo (16:26):
Yeah.

kill car is
killing people 'cause she's jealous.

Milo (16:29):
I think out of everything you,

King based on the Stephen
King novel.

Milo (16:32):
yeah.

Katie (16:33):
right.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Milo (16:34):
And so far the only one out of everything you've listed.
It's the only one I've seen,
but I haven't seen it in so long.
Yeah.
I was a kid when I saw it.

You've seen

Milo (16:45):
Oh, true.
Okay.
Yeah.
Scarface, so two.
Yeah.

Katie (16:48):
And I don't know, maybe, so the last one I also covered last season,
so that should give you a hint eitherKurt Russell or Patrick Swayze's in

Mm-hmm.

Katie (16:57):
And it's a mission to rescue POWs that got a gritty,
explosive twist name, that movie.

Milo (17:07):
Wow.
One of those two.
Were in a film to rescue POWs,

Katie (17:11):
Mm-hmm.
It's a little lesser known, but

Milo (17:13):
apparently.

Katie (17:15):
The cast is outstanding.

Milo (17:18):
Okay.
Yeah, I think you're gonnahave to give this one away.
I don't have any, no idea.
For me, you, Jamie.

Mm.
I'm stumped on this one.

Katie (17:28):
Gene Hackman.

Milo (17:33):
Is this the one where he is in a plane that crashes and then like he has
to kind of get out and it's got like a
No, I dunno,

Katie (17:46):
Uncommon Valor.

Milo (17:48):
not what I was thinking of.

it.
comes back to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think I've seen it.
Yeah.

Katie (17:53):
It's

Milo (17:54):
Okay.
Yeah,

Katie (17:55):
Yeah.

Yeah.

Milo (17:56):
like Gene Hat man

of those under the radar ones for,

Katie (18:00):
Yep.

and.

Katie (18:01):
Patrick was in it.

these are the VHS top like VHS
rentals

Milo (18:07):
from 1983.

and, they don't, yeah, and they don't seem like some of them
are just under the radar, like youdon't hear about some of these anymore.

Katie (18:16):
time and I think it's 'cause it's so, 'cause like in mid and late
eighties, it's very clearly the bigbox office movies like the prior year.

Mm-hmm.

Katie (18:24):
I
think it's 'cause options were prettylimited and getting rights to the.
To VHS's.
They're still tryingto work some stuff out

Yeah.
Yeah.

Milo (18:33):
Yeah.

So you

Milo (18:34):
Which one's on there?

some that weren't like big blockbusters or whatever.
Yeah.
That's interesting.

Milo (18:40):
This does have a good cast though.
You got Robert Stack?
Fred Ward.
Randall t Cobb.

Katie (18:47):
Yeah.
I'm telling you alsolisten to that episode.

Milo (18:51):
Definitely have to listen to that one 'cause I wanna see this now.

Katie (18:54):
category is can Jamie and Milo Come out and play

Milo (19:00):
Okay.

Milo.

Katie (19:02):
launched,
in the US in 1984?
These robots in disguise were based on.
Japanese toy lines andexploded in popularity.
Thanks to the animatedseries and comic book.

Milo (19:15):
It's gotta be transformers.

Katie (19:18):
Yes, sir.

Milo (19:19):
Every kid wanted those.

and the cartoon was awesome and the toys were awesome.
Milo and I were both
poor though, so We had a lot of
gobos.

Milo (19:29):
We had gobos instead.
Yeah, we could.

Katie (19:33):
Was that the knockoff version of a transformer

Milo (19:36):
It wasn't even a knockoff, it was like a completely separate
thing that came from Japan,

They, they
transformed

Milo (19:43):
but, it was like,

and
stuff, but

Milo (19:44):
yeah.

actually, like
they

Milo (19:47):
Came out first.

that, Yeah.
it might have even come outfirst, but Transformers were cool.
But if you were,
if, if you
were poor, then you
had gobos.

Milo (19:57):
Yeah.
Well, gobos.
were smaller as well.
Like the
transformers were larger.

you put The you put the arms in, you put the legs up, it's a car.
transformers were cool.
'cause they
were
intricate.

Milo (20:06):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (20:07):
transformers were cool.
I remember playing like I didn'thave, I didn't have a transformer all
girl child house household, but mygrandparents like had a little toy box.
For when we came over and Ihad a boy cousin about my age.
So there were, I played withTransformers at my grandparents' house.
Mm-hmm.

I think girls probably like transformers too,
because that's how cool they were

Katie (20:30):
they were

Mm-hmm.

Katie (20:31):
admit let's see here.
is very easy, but while introduced in late1983, the toy line boomed in 1984 with
Earth ponies, unicorns, and Pegasi plusaccessories, and a full playset ecosystem.
What was It What toy am I referring to?

Milo (20:52):
It has to be My Little Pony.
Right?
Jimmy?

Katie (20:55):
Little

Milo (20:55):
Jimmy, you got your My Little Pony collection back
behind you there somewhere.
Right?
We just, we just can'tsee it on the screen.

on My Little

Milo (21:01):
We did,

with with, with Milo's wife.
'cause
she and we,

Katie (21:05):
So good.

Milo (21:06):
yeah.
She had to tell us about her.
My little ponies and stuff.
Yeah.

Katie (21:10):
They did have a smell, and I even had the or technically they were
praying my sisters, but the the holdingcase was like a stable looking thing.
You know what

yeah,

Katie (21:20):
You

yeah, yeah, yeah,

Milo (21:21):
I think so.

stable.
Yeah.
My cousins had 'em and I alwaysthought they had a weird smell,
kind of like artificially.
Smelling fruit along withlike dirty kid hands.
You mix those together.
You have my little pony, my little
pony smell.

Milo (21:38):
Yeah.
My sister had my little ponies.

Katie (21:41):
Yeah, they did.

Milo (21:44):
It's that plasticy artificial scent.
You're right.
And kid smell.
Yeah.
Kid hand germs all over him.

Katie (21:54):
Let's see.
There's an, let's, let's find another one.
Hmm.

in that.
episode, by the way, we talk about brony.
That's a whole nother subject.

Katie (22:02):
remember that.
I do.
And yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
God, there's so many toys.

Look that
up,
friends.

Milo (22:09):
Yeah.

That'll make your day.

Milo (22:12):
Or my Little Pony episode.
That was a good one.

Katie (22:15):
I covered the Cabbage Patch Kids craze in my Silkwood episode.
'Cause that was 1983.
So that Christmas there was sucha craze for Cabbage Patch Kids.
And I.
did not recall the, the name ofthe the company who makes them.
Do you guys know what, who it notHasbro or Mattel or what, but do
you know who made the Cabbage Patch?

(22:36):
Kids?

Milo (22:37):
No, I would've guessed one of those two.

Yeah, I might have guessed Mattel or Hasbro, but

Katie (22:43):
Coco.
C-O-L-E-C-O.
Coco.

sounds
more like a healthcare

Milo (22:50):
heard of it.
Yeah.

Katie (22:52):
I never in a million years I didn't even know this existed, but
there was a spinoff from it spinoff PetToys from the Cabbage Patch Kids Line

Oh yeah.

Katie (23:03):
1984 and included cat and dog-like companions

Milo (23:08):
Oh,

I re,

Katie (23:10):
and names.
How did I not have this?
Do you guys know what it's called?
Do you, do you guys know this?

I remember the pets, they had the pets come out because they were
so, cabbage Patch kids were so popular.
And then they like, look,they got pets now too.
But I don't
remember what the pets were called.

Milo (23:28):
I don't either.

they look like in my head, but I can't
remember what they're called.

Katie (23:34):
This says KOAs,

Milo (23:36):
What

Cusas.

Milo (23:38):
Cusas.

Katie (23:39):
Yeah.

or something?
I am your new dog,

Katie (23:43):
It says K-O-O-S-A-S.

Milo (23:46):
Cusas

Cusas.
And I remember Cabbage Patch.
My cousins had those too.
I guess we're teaching young womento be good mothers or something.
'cause they can't, they had
adoption papers,

Katie (23:58):
Yes.

Milo (23:58):
oh yeah, I remember the adoption papers.
Yeah.

is the name of your adopted Cabbage Patch kid.
And, and the girls are like this.
I'm a, I'm a true, II adopted this Cabbage
Patch kid.

Milo (24:09):
When I,

Katie (24:10):
Mine's was Sonya.
Her name was Sonya.

Sonya.

Katie (24:12):
Yep.

Milo (24:15):
I just looked up Cusas and they're kind of creepy looking.
So they're kind of like thehuman, what do they call it?
Like the not anamorphic where likekinda they make them human ish looking,

Yeah.

Milo (24:25):
completely.

looking.
Yeah.

Milo (24:27):
Yeah.
They're kind of creepy looking.
Now if.

Like a, if dogs and, and people
could have babies, they would look
like this.
Right.

Milo (24:35):
they look like
Es.

you probably should put it down
it's suffering.

Katie (24:39):
If anybody had these and maybe I'm pronouncing it wrong
but I can't believe I didn't.
It seems like that would be right upmy alley, but that was a thing in 1984,

Milo (24:49):
Yeah.
Creepy
looking little animal toy dolls.

Katie (24:52):
for playing guys.
You did pretty darn good, I'd have to say.

that's
fun.
Going back to 1984.

Milo (24:58):
Yeah.

I like it.
All right.
Well, on this season, we're no longertalking about Kurt and Patrick.
We're talking about John Hughes movies.
What do you guys think?
What's your history?

Milo (25:08):
I like many people, I'm a huge John Hughes fan.
You know, the fact that he only made eightfilms, but wrote so many more that are
just so iconic of the eighties and werelike defining of the eighties, right?
Like when you, anytimeyou say 1980s movies.
Almost instantly.
John Hughes comes to mind andyou could name his movies.

(25:30):
And even if you haven't necessarilyseen all of his movies, you could,
you've probably at least seen one.
You certainly know kindof what they're about.
Usually have a pretty good idea whothey star you know, so it's just yeah,
he was, he was iconic of the eighties.
We couldn't have had theeighties without John Hughes.
And interestingly, I would say John Hugheswouldn't exist today if he were alive.

(25:52):
I don't think any of his movieswould be made right now based
on the content of his movies.

Katie (25:57):
I concur.
He did kind of go go more inthe family friendly direction.
However, they're still prettyproblematic a lot of the times.

Milo (26:06):
Yeah.
Which I'm sure we can we'lldiscuss as we go along.
Yeah.
Well, and even some of the plot, likeif you look at the Breakfast Club.
Imagine pitching that to a studio.
Okay, so it's a bunch of kids.
They got detention, you got thepopular one, the nerdy one, da da da,
and they sit around and talk all day.
You know, the studio would be like, what?
No.

Katie (26:25):
Well, that happened in 1985 or 84 when he, he wrote
that before actually 16 candles,

Milo (26:33):
Hmm.

Katie (26:33):
but they
said, no, no, you have to doa more typical teen movie.
Like that was sort of, the dealhe did was make 16 candles in
order to get Breakfast Club made.

Milo (26:46):
Oh,
neat trivia.

Katie (26:48):
the
studio even then was like, Hmm,there's not, there's no like boobs,

Milo (26:52):
Yeah.

Katie (26:52):
no, you

Milo (26:53):
Oh, Yeah.
yeah, Where's, where's thecompletely random boob shot that
doesn't seem to really have apurpose other than 1980s boobs.

Katie (27:01):
He was right.
I mean, breakfast Club you know,spoiler alert is a way better movie.
And everybody, you know, not just myopinion, I mean, it's rated better.
It's, that movie is heldin extremely high regard.

Milo (27:16):
Yeah, totally agree.

Katie (27:17):
additional any additional thoughts, Jamie?

here's what I like about John Hughes movies
is They're teen comedies, sothey're funny and they're teen.
But John Hughes movies are interestingbecause they don't, don't insult
the intelligence of teenagers.
So most teen comediesare just kind of dumb.
Look at, this is dumb.
Look, boobies, slapstick.

(27:42):
You know, it's, there's not much to it.
But John Hughes movies are smartbecause I think John Hughes
knows that teenagers are smart.
So they're funny, but they're alsoclever, they're smart, and they don't
insult the intelligence of teenagers.
I think that's one of the mainstaysof John Hughes Teen comedy is that

(28:02):
I think he respects the peoplethat he's making the movies for.
That's why I like, that's why I like them.

Katie (28:08):
They're very relatable and like relevant to the teen experience.
It's not through the lensof the adults looking at the
teens, it's through the teens

Yeah.
And it's not like, you know, super,it's got, it's got the teen comedy,
but it's not like porkies where it's,or something like that where it's
just, hey look boobs and funny stuff.
And then that's the end of the movie.
like that stuff, right?
They like slapstick and boobies.
So let's just do that.
I mean, you still got a lot of slapstick,maybe a little bit of a sexiness,

(28:42):
but you also have well written andlike you say, I think it's, they're,
they're written through the kindof the mind of a, of the teenager.
So I, that's why I dig.
That's what, that's what I think separatesJohn Hughes teen comedies from others.

Milo (28:55):
That's a good point.

Katie (28:56):
Yeah.
Well said guys.
Well, shall we get into the movie?
16 Candles?
All right, you guys.
This came out May 4th, 1984, whichif we're keeping track is over 40
years ago, so that's not awesome.

Milo (29:20):
Hmm.

Katie (29:20):
Make, me feel very old.

Milo (29:23):
think I just got another gray hair.

Katie (29:27):
it's pg.

Milo (29:28):
Yeah.
Because
Yep.

Katie (29:31):
yeah, that's wild.
Now, a couple reasons because, PR soat the time, your choices were R or pg,

Mm-hmm.

Katie (29:41):
13
did not yet exist.

And.
it was only a few months

Katie (29:45):
mm-hmm.

it?
would exist.
Yeah.

Katie (29:47):
was it?
We covered

Red, red Dawn.
yeah,
Red Dawn was the first one.
Yep.

Katie (29:52):
Mm-hmm.
So yeah, it predates that.
So it was either gonna be an R or pgand apparently if you have more than
two F-bombs, it's immediately an R.
So they just removedone or removed a couple.
'cause there are, I noted atleast one F-bomb in 16 candles.
But then it still has nudity and likeunderage binge drinking like very

Milo (30:20):
sexual innuendo.
Yeah.

Katie (30:22):
And are, is there sexual assault going on here?
What?
You know, so there's a lot in this andit is a PG movie, whereas Breakfast
Club has no nudity, none of that.
But it has A lot of language.
I mean, some adult situations I guess.
But Breakfast Club is an R rated movie.

Milo (30:41):
Okay.
Yeah,

See what happens when you drop too
many F-bombs.

Katie (30:44):
Yeah.

Milo (30:45):
those rating boards are so weird.

sexual assault, you know, all that kind of stuff.
That's fine, but you drop too
many F-bombs.
That's,
that's an R we're coming

Milo (30:53):
Yeah.

heart.

Milo (30:54):
You're over the line.
You're over the line with that language.

You can't drop an F
bomb while
you're showing your

Milo (31:01):
No.

Get rid of that F bomb.

Katie (31:02):
Yeah.
Keep
the boobs.

Milo (31:04):
Mm-hmm.

the
boobs.
That's okay.

Milo (31:06):
Yeah.

Katie (31:07):
Well, you know, 16 candles is not one of my go-tos.
Like I, I always think of it, butI don't, I can't quote it like I
can breakfast club or something.
So I sort of conflate it andpretty pink in my head 'cause
I don't rewatch them as often.
So if you are similar to me and youneed a refresh about 16 candles.

(31:29):
Here's the description of it.
Samantha's life is going downhill fast.
The 16-year-old has a crush on themost popular boy in school, and the
geest boy in school has a crush on her.
Her sister is getting married and withall the excitement, the rest of the family
forgets that it's her 16th birthday.
And add two sets of horrendously,embarrassing and quite funny grandparents,

(31:52):
a foreign exchange student named LongDuck Dong and Behold, the makings of a
hilarious Journey into Young Womanhood.
This is 16 candles and it has a 7.0
on IMDB.
And to your point, Milo, aboutJohn Hughes only directing
you a certain number of films.

(32:12):
This was his directorial debutand he also wrote the movie.

Milo (32:18):
Yeah, I'm with you Katie, though.
I do in my head, overlapthis with Pretty and Pink.
Like when I watched it the othernight, I was like, oh, the thing I'm
thinking of must be in Pretty and Pink.
'cause it's not in this movie.
They're very, very similar films and Ithink a lot of people think John Hughes
directed pretty in pink, but he didn't.

(32:39):
He just wrote it.

Katie (32:40):
you're right.
As we'll get into, but therewas a like, almost every five
minutes I'm like, Ooh, wow.
Yikes.
This one's really problematic.
But I do, now, having said that, I'mgoing to just have fun watching the movie.
It's in the eighties.
It's different time, but like, it'skind of fun to make fun of how,

(33:01):
like wildly inappropriate and..
Offensive.
I guess a lot of thingswere in this movie.
but let's start withsome of our cast members.
So Samantha's played by Molly Ringwald,and I'm pretty sure John Hughes wrote
this movie for her, with her in mind.
Like he had a headshot of her andthen she went on to become his muse.

guess he had a picture of her headshot too, when he was doing
work, and he'd kind of look at herevery once in a while like, this is,
this is the girl I'm
writing
about.

Milo (33:36):
I think she was perfectly cast.
I mean, 'cause she's adorable, but shealso has that kind of geeky quality
to her to where you're like, okay,she's definitely not gonna be like
this super, pretty popular girl.
But she's also still very attractiveand just like I, I just think
she's perfectly cast in this,
which is great.

Katie (33:56):
agree.
I agree.
And then the Geek is played by AnthonyMichael Hall, and they were both 15.
They,
both of those two were actually
15 years old this movie.
We'll get into some of the ages,which I, we is interesting.
The, the crush, the, the hot boyin this movie, Jake Ryan is played

(34:18):
by Michael Shoing and he didn't,do you guys know him from anything?

Milo (34:24):
No, this is literally the only thing I know him from.

Katie (34:27):
Yeah, I think he went on to just have a regular life.

Milo (34:30):
He stopped working in 1991.
It looks like

Katie (34:34):
He was 23 when this movie was made.

Milo (34:39):
bit of an age difference.
I.

Katie (34:40):
that tracks, I buy that

Mm-hmm.

Katie (34:42):
looks like a a young man.
I.
thought Anthony, Michael Haltlooked all of 11 in this movie.
Didn't

Milo (34:50):
Yeah.

Katie (34:50):
looked so
young?

Milo (34:52):
Yeah.
Especially compared to now.
Like he looks so different nowthan he did back in the eighties.
You know, like he played enoughof these nerd roles where he is
like, Nope, I'm done with that.
So he starts hitting thegym and like everything.
Yeah.

Yeah.
Late
bloomer, you
know?

Milo (35:07):
Yeah.
But he's kind of a bit ofa sexual predator as well,
speaking as sexual predators.

Katie (35:13):
He has a popular girlfriend and her name in the, in the movie is
Carolyn, played by Haviland Morris.
And I guess she in reallife, has red hair.

Mm-hmm.

Katie (35:28):
John Hughes only wanted run one redhead in the movie.
So the, her blonde hair is a wig.

Mm-hmm.

Milo (35:34):
At least it didn't make her bleach it.

redhead.
in my movie.

Katie (35:37):
redhead.

And that's
Molly
Ringwald.
Get your wig on lady.

Katie (35:41):
did you, did you guys recognize her from anything?

Milo (35:45):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (35:46):
Her name sounds very, that's a very specific name.
but I think is most known for this,but she was also in gremlins two,
the new Batch and Home Alone three.

Milo (35:58):
Ooh.

So she likes, she
likes to do them sequels.

Milo (36:02):
Yeah, it looks like it.

Katie (36:03):
you know, there's a John Hughes connection, I guess there

Milo (36:06):
Yeah.

Katie (36:07):
but I did not recall this family has four kids.

Milo (36:12):
No, I didn't remember any of that storyline
with the, the

Hmm.

Katie (36:16):
the sister getting married,
but then
there's also a youngerbrother and a younger sister.
And the younger brother, waslike second build in the movie.

Milo (36:27):
weird.

Hmm.

Katie (36:27):
So
he is, Mike is his name.
He's the younger brother andhe's played by Justin Henry.
And they were just trying to maximize his,he had just come off doing Kramer versus
Kramer and was like a popular kid actor.

Oh

Katie (36:42):
like, oh,
people will know his name.

Milo (36:46):
You know, I did recognize him though.
When I, when, when I watched it, I'mlike, okay, this kid looks familiar.
So I must have seen him in somethingelse back then that he was in.

Katie (36:54):
he did.
Yeah, you're right.
And he was pretty good.
He was like a jerky little brother.

Milo (36:58):
Yeah, he played it well.

Katie (37:00):
Mm-hmm.

Milo (37:01):
believable.

makes sense that they, the family would have a
lot of kids 'cause they forgottheir daughter's 16th birthday.
'cause of the older onesgetting married, there's two
others she gotta kind of
control.

Milo (37:11):
Yeah.

the middle everybody's forgetting about me.
I'm Jan Brady here.

Katie (37:16):
Jan Brady.
Well, six.
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, forgetting your 16, likeSweet 16 is like a thing, I guess.
I don't know.
It never was for, for me.
Like we didn't have, you know, I guesslike debutantes and in some areas of
the country or the world, maybe there'sa big deal around your Sweet 16.
Was, was that a big dealwhere you guys grew up?

Milo (37:39):
No.
In our house it waslike any other birthday.

Yeah.
Plus we were
poor,
so it's

Milo (37:45):
Yeah.

whatever we d do for birthdays, we're
gonna do that again.

Milo (37:49):
Yeah.
I think my mom was.

Katie (37:51):
AM with a bow on it in the driveway waiting for you?
Like she wanted, she says.

Milo (37:55):
Didn't even bother attempting to ask for a car when my 16th rolled
around because I knew there was nochance in hell that was gonna happen.
Yeah.

Katie (38:03):
I did
get a car, but it wasn'tlike we went looking for one.
I remember going, likelooking for one with my dad.
But it wasn't there for mewhen I woke up on my 16th

Milo (38:13):
Aw,

Katie (38:14):
I know

Milo (38:15):
little bow on it.

Katie (38:18):
it was 10-year-old car.
I

Oh, well that's

Milo (38:21):
Oh, what was it?
What was it?

Used car,

Katie (38:23):
was a
Ford probe.

Milo (38:25):
Ooh.
Yeah, I remember the Ford probe.

probe.

Milo (38:28):
was kind of almost a
roundish looking is kind ofthe way I would describe it.
It wasn't round, but itkind of had a bubbly look.

Katie (38:35):
Ford
Probe.
'cause like somewhere in the mid ninetiesthey changed the look of them, but yeah.

Milo (38:42):
it the kind of roundy looking one?
Did it kind of like,
Yeah,
The hood was very kind of roundish.

Katie (38:48):
And I'm pretty sure did the flash or the headlights come up?
No, I don't.
I can't remember.

Milo (38:53):
Hmm.

Katie (38:53):
Anyway,

that, I just think, when did Ford get into the healthcare
industry?
And
that's all I can

Milo (38:59):
Probe.

Katie (39:00):
it is a silly

maybe they're into space
now

Katie (39:05):
probing.
Yeah.
That is odd.

Milo (39:07):
When I think the Taurus eventually was kind of what
the Ford probe got to did too.
'cause they were very similar carsand so I think when they discontinued

Katie (39:16):
was
a two-door, it was kindof like a sporty car.

Milo (39:20):
okay.

Katie (39:21):
Tourists were really ugly

Milo (39:23):
Was because wasn't the Ford probe kind of ugly?
Am I thinking of the wrong car?

Katie (39:28):
clearly didn't think so 'cause I got, it was like sporty.

Milo (39:32):
Hmm.

when you get a car and someone else pays for it,
doesn't matter what it
looks like.
If.

Katie (39:38):
Yeah, you're

Milo (39:38):
Okay.

Katie (39:39):
Yeah.

Milo (39:40):
Yeah, I was picturing the right car.

Katie (39:41):
But it's

Milo (39:42):
I was, it is a two-door.
Yeah, you're right.
The Taurus is a four-door,but I guess, yeah, it is more
sporty than I was picturing it.
Oh

Katie (39:49):
I wanted a
sunfire.

Milo (39:51):
yeah.

Katie (39:51):
like all the
rage in the nine, like midnineties for teenage cars.

Milo (39:56):
Okay.

Katie (39:56):
are kind of
ridiculous to think.
And what were those other ones?
A geo, geo

storm

Milo (40:02):
Oh yeah.

metros,

Katie (40:04):
like teen

the sky blue and the yellow colors geos.

Katie (40:10):
Geos.

were so cool.
And now you look at 'em, you'relike, oh, look at that little,
little
pill
looking thing.

Milo (40:16):
Yeah.
They must have changed the looka bit for the probe though.
'cause like you had the really kindof circular, bubbly front grill,
and then they had kind of a sportierlooking version that has like
actual vents on the front and stuff.

Katie (40:30):
So Halan Morris, and so she plays Jake's girlfriend.
They're both like in their earlytwenties, 23 and 24 respectively.
then the actor who plays Long DuckDong, it's, is it GED or Geddy?
G-E-D-D-E Wabe,

Milo (40:51):
Your guess?
I don't know.
I'd, I'd say Ed Getty.

Katie (40:55):
GED or Getty.

Milo (40:56):
Getty.
Hmm.

Katie (40:58):
So that's the actor.
He was 28 years old,

Milo (41:02):
Really?
Oh, he looked much younger.

Katie (41:05):
28 years old.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
That's, that's

Asian dude.

Milo (41:10):
Yeah.

Katie (41:10):
yeah.
Now this is one of the this is one ofthe biggest problem areas in the movie.
I mean, there are a lot

Milo (41:16):
Yeah.

Katie (41:17):
but this is a big one.
And he said in an interviewthat he had a lot of anger.
Publicly expressed toward him forplaying this role for, you know,
like disse, like this is such anegative stereotype for Asian men.
Yeah.
But Ebert, Roger Ebert, , came to hisdefense writing he actually elevates

(41:39):
his role from potentially being anoffensive stereotype to high comedy.

Milo (41:45):
Mm.

Katie (41:46):
but since then, a lot of people put it in the same category
as Mickey Rooney in breakfast at

Mm-hmm.

Milo (41:51):
Yeah, I, I, I would say Mickey Rooneys is probably more
so because he's actually not Asian

Katie (41:57):
Right.

Milo (41:57):
where his, to where this guy's, but the thing is he was
a young starting out actor.
He didn't have a lot ofcredits prior to this.
So as an actor, you're like, you'regonna pay me to be in a movie?
Yeah.
Okay, sure.
I'll do it.

and you're not gonna blow me
up with a
missile
or something

Milo (42:13):
Yeah.

the bad guy.
'cause that's a lot ofAsian American male actors.
That was kind
of like, like the roles you got
back then.

Milo (42:20):
Yeah,
yeah.

Katie (42:20):
he,
he doesn't have an accent.
Like he's born in the UnitedStates, I can't remember.
I wanna say like Utahor somewhere like really

Milo (42:27):
Hmm.

Katie (42:27):
like
that.
He had a friend from Korea and hesaid he just mimicked his accent.

Milo (42:35):
Nice.

So here's the thing about the in early and mid
eighties is you could still makefun of people in offensive ways.
Like black people, women, homosexuals.
You could still make fun of and,And you can't get away with that
now on unless you're an Asian male.

(42:56):
I was kind of noticing that, that itstill seems even today, like it's okay
to make fun of Asian males if, if youmake fun of anybody else, it's offensive.
But you'll see, still see stuff outthere that's very kind of stereotypical.
And I thought that's interesting that theAsian male hasn't really been protected

(43:17):
in the way that all these other groups ofpeople had in our current, kind of world.
So I just thought that's

Katie (43:24):
males?

Mm.
I think it's specifically Asian males?
And you'll even see comedians, Asianmale comedians, they still play it up.
Sometimes you'll still see it and evenlike at the high school, like with my
son, he has a lot of Asian male friendsand they were born here, but they still
seem to get a lot of that kind of thing.
So I was thinking that's interesting.

(43:46):
That this characterperpetuating that stereotype.
Yeah.
But that's one of the fewstereotypes that can still be around
today.

Milo (43:57):
I don't know if it'd be to this level though.
I mean, imagine seeing a modernmovie made to this level.
Like literally like every time he showsup a dong ring, you know, like the,

The gong

Katie (44:07):
the,
gong

Milo (44:07):
yeah.

Katie (44:07):
His,

Milo (44:08):
come on.

Katie (44:09):
is Long Dong,

Milo (44:12):
What's your what?
Your last name dong your first name Long.
Ooh.

Katie (44:17):
Oh.
And
he even doesn't he have likekarate gear on in, in one scene

Milo (44:22):
Possibly.
Yeah.

Katie (44:24):
and they, they
continually call him Chinaman.

Milo (44:26):
Mm-hmm.
The Chinaman,

Katie (44:29):
They have him using, some of it's kind of funny, like he is,
he turns the silverware around touse the ends of it, as chopsticks.
I guess the scene with theexercise bike was his idea, the
actor's idea, because he found it.
in the home they werefilming in and had an idea.
So He did, I think probably it could havebeen worse, I guess is what I'm saying.

(44:51):
I think he did make things funny.
But yeah yeah, there was a lot really,

Milo (44:59):
it.

Katie (44:59):
and like
they, they even insinuatedthat the grandparents were kind
of using him for like labor,

Milo (45:07):
He does a great job mowing the lawn.

Katie (45:11):
They, well, they, they listed like four things

Milo (45:13):
Yeah.

Katie (45:13):
Yeah.
he's
learning, he's Learningall these American things.
And

Milo (45:16):
Learning how to wash the dishes.

Katie (45:18):
him doing their chores.

Milo (45:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But hey, he gets the girlthat he was after, right?
So there you go.

Katie (45:26):
And Molly Molly Ringwald playing.
Samantha is jealous.
She's like, he's here fiveminutes and he finds love, and
I've been here my whole life.

Milo (45:33):
Exactly.
Yeah.
It, it's definitely a characteryou have to put into the
context of when it was made.
You certainly can't put it with our modernsensibilities and just accept it for that.

Katie (45:45):
I was a toddler in I 84, but watching it, I, I
was kind of surprised that.
it was so blatant in the eighties,like it's not the fifties,

Milo (45:58):
Hmm.

Katie (45:59):
I don't
know.

Milo (46:00):
And it's kind of weird for John Hughes too, who in general is pretty,
you know, he plays stuff for laughs,but in general plays, you know, like
we were saying earlier, Wrights teensreasonably respectably, but then he
throws this character in there that'skind of a bit outta place just for laughs.
Just because, yeah.

Katie (46:19):
why did the grandparents bring,

Milo (46:21):
Yeah.

Katie (46:22):
you're right.
It is kind of just, just for laugh.
And I, is notorious for having all white

Milo (46:28):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (46:29):
And then when there is someone that is not white, they're a caricature.
Yeah.
Not great.
John Hughes.
Let's

Milo (46:37):
Yeah.

Katie (46:38):
on this
in your next life.

Milo (46:39):
Yeah.
Come on, Sean.
Yeah.

Katie (46:42):
So the grandparents I thought were fucking hilarious.
Paul Dooley is her dad.
The grandparents, I guess I'mnot listening their, their names,
but you all know Paul Dooley.
He's extremely famous.
He plays her dad and then her mom isplayed by Carlin Glynn which I didn't.
Know her from anything, but sheis the real life mother an actress

(47:07):
in another John Hughes movie.
You guys

Milo (47:10):
Ooh, the Real Life Mother.

Stewart Antonio.
What, what, how do I
say it?

Katie (47:16):
Jamie

Milo (47:17):
Masterson.
Oh, did you look this up?
At some point?
How did you know that?

I, I, I
looked it up at some
point.
Yeah.

Milo (47:24):
Good job.
Jamie's ready for your trivia night.

Katie (47:29):
That's funny because you were combining, I knew where you were going.
You were combining Mary StewartMasterson with Mary Antonio,

MAs master Antonio.
Mary,

Katie (47:40):
Antonio.
Yeah.
It's like a hard

I

Katie (47:43):
Yeah.

I was confusing all of those, but you get what
I, I, I was getting there.

Katie (47:48):
Yeah.
And then her sister who's getting marriedis played by Blanche Baker, which I
think so her sister's name is Jenny inthis and, she's played by Blanche Baker.
And Baker is the actualactress's last name too.

Milo (48:04):
I
mean, should we talk about thatmarriage, like she's basically
marrying into an abusive relationship?

Katie (48:09):
Well, first of all, yeah, who she marrying?
Who was he?
Who's the actor?

Milo (48:13):
I recognized him.
I can't remember his name now, butI knew, I knew it when I watched it.
I can't think of his name on the top head.

Katie (48:19):
Capos

Milo (48:19):
Yeah,

Katie (48:20):
name, he's the janitor in the breakfast club.

Milo (48:24):
that's it.
Yep.
Yep.
I rec,

another one other John Hughes movie.
'cause he's like one of the,one of the like two actors who
was in three John Hughes movies.

Katie (48:34):
He was in weird science also.

Milo (48:36):
Hmm.

it is.
Yeah.

Katie (48:38):
to
in Chicago.
I.

Mm-hmm.

Katie (48:40):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like him as an actor, but I think theyshould have expanded the scenes with his
parents, the dinner with his parents.

Milo (48:49):
Yeah, that was a good scene.
Yeah, you're right.
They should have hadanother scene with them.

Katie (48:56):
Oh, and there's another thing, like they offensively
call him the oily bow hunk.

Milo (49:02):
Yeah, totally.

I wish somebody would
call me that.
That's
awesome.

Milo (49:07):
The oily bow hunk are, Jamie, we can start calling you that if you want.

Katie (49:11):
And,

nickname.

Katie (49:12):
what I actually remember, I actually do.
And people for let's see.
How would you describe this is like aMidwestern, like offensive slang term for
like eastern European countries, like

Oh, okay.

Katie (49:28):
like at the time it was Czechoslovakia

They used to call them
oily
bow hunks.

Katie (49:36):
Am I
right?
Am I, am I getting that right?

Milo (49:38):
I'd never heard that.

West

Milo (49:40):
Yeah,
the
I'd never heard that termother than in this film.
That's the only place I've ever heard it.

like a,

Katie (49:46):
what that meant?

no,

Katie (49:47):
Hunk?

I

Milo (49:49):
I mean, I kind of got it based on what they said and
who they were saying it to.
Right.
Because I.

like a, like a, a buff dude who's kind of oiled down and
he's a bo, he's a hunk,
right?

Milo (49:58):
So, yeah, I was thinking kind of buff, but like oily and,
and that he's like sweats and eatsa lot of oily foods and stuff.
So I was thinking like gross, oily.

Katie (50:06):
I
didn't really understand the oily.
bit because like the way they portrayedthe parents were more Italian stereotypes.
But he's, his name's Rudy andtheir last name is like something
Czech so in the Midwest, which JohnHughes, this is like set in Chicago.
So in the Midwest there are alot of immigrants from those
Eastern European countries.
Like I'm thinking of like Czech.

(50:28):
Hungary, probably a couple others.
Vet those.
Yeah, those immigrants.
Like the slang offensive term was Bo hunk.

Milo (50:38):
Oh.

Katie (50:39):
Mm-hmm.

I
better not
go around calling myself a
bow hunk.

Katie (50:43):
don't.

Milo (50:44):
well Is bo hunk?
Okay.
Without the oily part, couldwe just call Jamie Bo hunk?
I.

Katie (50:48):
It's like it's like saying whop.

What's wop?

Katie (50:53):
It's a

Milo (50:53):
well that one, I know that's a defensive term for Italians.
Yeah, I definitely know that one.

Katie (50:57):
offensive slang.

Milo (50:59):
Yeah.

Katie (50:59):
It's, in the
same vein.
But yeah, like the, the scenewith his parents, 'cause they were
over the top, but they seemed moreI again, like I like a, like a
really caricature mob, mob family.

mm-hmm.

Katie (51:13):
he and the, even the Godfather music comes on,

Milo (51:17):
Yeah.

Katie (51:18):
like when he
is like, oh my business,it's little this little that.
And the

We don't talk about my business

Milo (51:26):
I can't talk about it too much.
I'm might have to kill you.
Come on.

Katie (51:30):
Well, so where were you going with the, she's marrying
into an abusive relationship.

' Milo (51:34):
cause he is really quite insulting.
Well, like he's reallyquite insulting towards her,
you know, he says something atsome point to her and even the
dad kind of has a reaction to it.
Her dad I don't even remember what hesays to her, but he just kind of comes
across as like very demeaning towards her

' Katie (51:53):
Well,

Milo (51:54):
and so,

Katie (51:55):
mom says something like, oh, he's gonna have to stop now.
He's marrying her.
He'll have to stop with the,

Milo (52:02):
you know, yeah.
Sleeping around or something like that.
Yeah, exactly.
And then I think he says something too.
Yeah.
Nothing wrong with Logan orwhatever he says, but yeah, just
kinda like his attitude and stuff.
So maybe not like physically abusive,but more like kind of emotionally
abusive, is the way I take it.
Like he's gonna put her down a lot.
Yeah.

Katie (52:20):
basically does kidnap her at the church 'cause she's like completely out of

Milo (52:24):
Yeah.
She's b blitzing.
He is like,
come with me.

Katie (52:27):
the

Milo (52:27):
Yeah.
Relaxants.
Great.
Let's hit the honeymoon suite.

in the car.

Katie (52:34):
yeah.
And even like

Milo (52:35):
And the parents are like, come on, go get married, get outta the house.
We don't care that you'reall hopped up on meds.

Katie (52:41):
no, they're trying to offload one of those kids,

Milo (52:44):
Yeah,

Katie (52:45):
her be
somebody else's

Milo (52:46):
we need the space.
Too many kids in this house.

Katie (52:49):
Indeed.
but like her being on her period,one of the kids is even like, Oh that
should make for an interesting honeymoon

Milo (52:56):
Oh yeah,

Katie (52:57):
I'm like, wow.
I don't know.
I don't know.

Milo (53:00):
he, I think he says that.
The husband says that,
doesn't he?
I think it's the husband.
They say because they overhear it andthen he makes some kind of comment
or something when he's standing therein the church waiting like, whoa.
Make very interesting outta mood.

Katie (53:14):
four muscle relaxers for your period.

Milo (53:17):
Yeah.

Katie (53:17):
come on, them on.
I'll take 'em, I guess,

Yeah,

Milo (53:22):
On your wedding day.
Yeah,

else going on there.

Milo (53:25):
that's what I'm saying.

Katie (53:26):
seriously, who needs a muscle relaxer for their period and then Four of

Milo (53:31):
Four of them.

Katie (53:32):
Mm-hmm.

Milo (53:33):
Yeah.

and I can't comment
on
that, but

Milo (53:36):
No,

take

Milo (53:37):
no.

for it.

Milo (53:37):
I mean, I'll take your, I'll take the four.
I'll take the muscle relaxants, butcan't comment on the other other part.
Yeah,

Katie (53:42):
the drugs,

Milo (53:43):
exactly.

Katie (53:45):
Also, I don't know, again, maybe this is I feel like a thing back in the
day, people, got married very quickly.
She's like trying to say that Iactually like this one longer than I
like most of them, and he loves me.
It's been six months with the same person.

Six months.

Milo (54:05):
Clearly we should get married

Katie (54:07):
Like the

Milo (54:09):
in those six months.

Katie (54:10):
in.
Yeah.
And they're from meetingto marriage six months.

Milo (54:15):
Yeah, when it's love, you just know and you gotta get married right away.

Katie (54:20):
Mm-hmm.

in general in 1984 get married sooner?
Do you remember that at all?

Katie (54:27):
That's what I wondered.
That's what I I kind of think so.

Milo (54:31):
But within six months though,
I still think that's pretty quick.

Katie (54:35):
I feel

Milo (54:35):
Yeah,

Katie (54:36):
happened a lot.

Milo (54:37):
Yeah,

Yeah.

Katie (54:38):
yeah.

Milo (54:40):
yeah.
Maybe she was pregnant andthey just didn't tell anybody.
Oh no.
'cause she had her period.

Katie (54:44):
Yeah.

Milo (54:44):
Nevermind.

Deb bumped.

Milo (54:48):
Yeah.
Nevermind.

Katie (54:50):
Hey, we know how biology works

Milo (54:51):
Yeah.

Katie (54:52):
show.

I really like, I really like former Ted, though, the geek,
and here's why he's such a geek, buthe's just got this awesome confidence.
Yo, what's up baby?
How you doing?
I'm just like, that's the,
love that kid.
Like he's a geek, he's,he's, he's just geeking out.

(55:14):
But he's, he, he'scomfortable in his own skin.
He is like yeah, am I a geek?
Sure thing, but I'm awesome sauce.
I'm a, I'm a little bottle ofawesome sauce and I know it.
That's why I really like his character.
I like, I like the actor AnthonyMichael Hall, who plays him.
'cause he does look like kindof a little geek he's 15, but
he hasn't hit puberty yet.

(55:35):
he's a geek, but he's just owning himself,
you know?

Katie (55:38):
like the leader of his little geek

Yeah.

Milo (55:40):
I would imagine John Cusack would be the leader of the group.
I mean, he's.
John Cusack, come on.

Katie (55:45):
thinking the same thing, Milo.
So yes, you guys, John Cusack plays afriend and his sister Joan is in this

Milo (55:51):
Yeah.

Katie (55:52):
which

Milo (55:53):
Also could be considered an offensive character

Katie (55:57):
she wear, she has a back brace and is played for hilarity
and it kind of was, I mean, she,

Milo (56:03):
trying to drink water outta the fountain.

Katie (56:04):
she, she can't drink a beer, she can't drink water.
She is just like, she was, she's funny.
I I love Joan Cusack, as an actress,

Milo (56:13):
Yeah.

Katie (56:15):
even seeing her in this tiny role.
But Yeah.
And the headgear, the AnthonyMichael Hall has like just back
braces and headgear in general.
Like how, how eighties.

Milo (56:27):
So does he carry his headgear around with him though?
But on the headgear?
'cause he wakes up in the carwith the girl the next day.
Right.
And he is wearing his headgear.
So did he go home and get it atsome point or does he just carry
it around with him just in casehe happens to pass out somewhere?

Katie (56:42):
Great question.
Here's how I'm answering it.
They were, this is like a Friday nightand they were all sleeping over at
one of the geek's house, remember?
'cause later he goes over there, so they

Milo (56:53):
Oh, it,

Katie (56:53):
sleepover, so he probably had it with him

Milo (56:55):
okay.
All right.

Katie (56:57):
in prep for the sleepover.
That's how I'm answering it.

Milo (56:59):
Sure.
I'll allow it.

But isn't that such a teenager thing though?
John Hughes gets it.
You have braces or you have aback brace, or you have headgear.
I remember my son for a whilehad this big thing on his.
Face to move his jaws or whatever.
Just like,

Katie (57:15):
Uhhuh

it's just, just an awkward time, right?
Like your parents are trying to makesure your body isn't disfigured, so
they're giving you these things to,you're growing, you're a teenager,
you've got braces and back bracesand, and headgear and all this stuff.
That's a very teenager thing.

Milo (57:34):
Which is the,

on
top
of that, you gotta

Milo (57:35):
yeah,

your acne
medicine.
It's just
awkward time,

Milo (57:38):
it's the worst time.
And of course every kid atschool makes fun of you for it.
Yeah.

that's

Milo (57:43):
Geez.

Johnny this in this movie.
I hadn't seen it a while,but that's why I really?
like it because it captures a lot ofthe awkwardness of teenagers, right?
That being a teenager, like youworry about the what the boy thinks
about You Unlike when you're our age.
You're like, I don't give a
shit what that guy thinks
about
me.

Milo (57:59):
Yeah.

can go pound sand.

Katie (58:01):
You are right.
'cause I'm so far removed from being15, that I'm like, I don't care.
Like she's concerned about not fillingout her dress, like her boobs, like she
has boobs, but they're not big boobs.
And she's like jealous of theolder, you know, the senior
girls and was the boy like me.
And even in the, the scene where she'slike writing the note, it's like an

(58:24):
anonymous questionnaire about basicallysexual things and she's answering it
and then she's supposed to pass it back.
And the massive embarrassment Iwould die if the boy that I had a
crush on read the note that I justsaid I wanted to have sex with him

Milo (58:44):
Yeah.

Katie (58:45):
I
mean, just disaster waiting.
Yeah.
So I had forgotten and itreally took me back to being 15.

Because you're so self-conscious and I see it in my
teen son, he like really, he caresif he smells or not, and he's always
wearing like cologne
and stuff.
I'm

Milo (59:03):
Totally.
I totally work alone when Iwas young, like a teenager.
Gotta smell good.
Do my hair.

like a, like a, whore house in here.
What's going on?
are you gonna sell some watches?
Jesus.
But he's like, I don't wanna smell bad.
I'm gonna go see my girlfriend, dude,how could you possibly smell bad?
You took a bath in Cologne.
Just can you ease up on that?
Because back then I rememberthough, I didn't wanna smell either.
Now I'm like, yeah,
I'm all right.

Milo (59:27):
Yeah,

enough.

Milo (59:28):
go a couple more days.
It's all good.

Katie (59:30):
No, I, I

But you care

Katie (59:32):
I

when you're a teenager.

Katie (59:33):
wearing the cologne.
'cause I remember loving
the scent that my boyfriend wore.
And like when I'd wear his shirt you

Milo (59:40):
Mm.

Katie (59:40):
a shirt

Milo (59:41):
Yeah.

Katie (59:41):
I'm like, oh, it
smells like him.
You know, I.

care.
They care that teenagers care.
That's why I like this movie.
It took me back to liketeenager hood where you care.
It would be, they all care aboutstuff like that, and it's nice.
I, you know,
I, they're
awkward

Milo (59:57):
It kind.
It is nice, but it alsomakes you really insecure.
I never want to go to that levelof insecurity ever again, you know?

Jamie Fenderson (01:00:05):
you're farmer, Ted, the
geek man, he doesn't

Milo (01:00:07):
Yeah.

insecurities.
He's
like, here's my
headgear,
whatever.
I'm
awesome.

Milo (01:00:11):
he's also almost a sexual predator guy.
Does not take no for an answer.
Come on.
Like how many times does she say no?
She's like, no, no, no.
Get off me.
No.
You know, and then he is like,oh sure, I'll take your passed
out drunk girlfriend home.
Just throw them.
Yeah, no problem.
He's more worried about drivingthe car than the girl, you know?

(01:00:33):
He's like, that's a nice car.
I can't drive that.
Can't I just throw your girlfriend?
You know?
And

on the
bus.

Milo (01:00:39):
on the bus exactly.

Katie (01:00:41):
like this night, they're at a dance.
From, from Anthony,Michael Hall's character.
He makes a bet.
This is just wild.
The events that happen that he does,that he should feel responsible for.
He bets his loser friends that heis basically gonna have sex that
night then and there with Samantha.

(01:01:04):
they somehow end up in theshop room in a half built car.
Yeah, Milo.
He comes onto her like

Milo (01:01:11):
It is hard.

Katie (01:01:12):
mos her and she's like, get off.
And he's like, I think hemaybe even said, I'm sorry.
And then she said, it's okay.
He takes it's okay as permissionto start doing it again.
And, because he actually does like her andI think he does respect her, he tells her.

(01:01:32):
This little secret that hehas with his friends, and she
gave him the panties to use.

Milo (01:01:39):
Yeah.

him too.
Actually.
I think she likes him too.
She doesn't want to get it on withhim, but I think she respects his
tenacity.

Milo (01:01:47):
I dunno.

Katie (01:01:48):
then all these, like freshmen boys pay to

Milo (01:01:51):
Yes, exactly.
$1.
You wanna see the panties?
$1.

Katie (01:01:56):
which by the way, what, how, how are they buying this as proof of sex?
He could have just bought those,

Milo (01:02:04):
Yeah.
Or found him somewhereor ran to the store.
Yeah.
Could have got him anywhere.
No.

Katie (01:02:12):
So then later
in the evening, he's in acar with yet another woman

Milo (01:02:17):
After trading the panties for her.

Katie (01:02:20):
That's right.
make a deal.
Tell

Milo (01:02:23):
Yes.

Katie (01:02:24):
Milo.
Tell us about
this, deal that Jake.
I, he trades his girl.
This is just wild.

Milo (01:02:31):
He's literally like his girlfriend's passed out drunk and he
finds Anthony Michael Hall, hi, inhis house and he's, Anthony's making
him a drink and, and mentions thepanties and he is like, Hey, I'll trade
you those pan, gimme the panties andI'll let you take my girlfriend home.

(01:02:53):
And he is like, well, I can't do that.
And he's like, oh no, she's passed out.
She wouldn't know me from you.
It's fine.
Go for it.

Katie (01:03:01):
And then he even tells her I'm

Milo (01:03:04):
am.
Yeah.

Katie (01:03:05):
To con Now

Milo (01:03:06):
Yes.
So she wakes up for a second.

Katie (01:03:08):
it, but did you mean, did, was he giving permission to sleep with her?

Milo (01:03:14):
That's the way I was taking it.
I'm like,
I, it was definitely
implied.

Katie (01:03:19):
it,

Milo (01:03:20):
Yeah.
'cause, 'cause, yes.
So once they dump her in the backof the car, she wakes up for a
second, she looks at him and Jake'slike, what, who, who are you?
And Jake's like, he's me and I'm you.
He's me.
And she's like, okay, that's good.
And passes back out.
And he is like, yeah.
Because even, even you know, thegeek is kind of like, are you sure?

(01:03:40):
And Jake's like, yeah, that's good.
I, I, I've, I've got anew girl that I like now.
So do whatever you want with this one.

Katie (01:03:47):
She's used up, I've had her before.

Milo (01:03:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have less interest.

sick of all her partying and stuff, and
maybe he wants a girl who's like
a little
more
stable

Milo (01:03:58):
Yeah.

nicer.

Milo (01:04:00):
And everybody knows if she's a,

Katie (01:04:02):
and care about.
That's, you know,

Maybe he's maturing.
yeah.

Milo (01:04:07):
yeah.

getting, he's maturing as
a guy.

Milo (01:04:10):
Yeah.
It's very mature to ditch yourdrunk girlfriend in a car with
some geek implying that thegeek can have sex with her.

He's

Milo (01:04:18):
Do do whatever you want, kid it, it doesn't matter to me.
Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:04:23):
you know, he and square man.
also, did you guys notice that whenthey're putting, it takes two of them,
they, they're collaborating on thiskidnapping extravaganza, putting her
in the car with another pack of beer.

Oh.

Katie (01:04:40):
This is the

Milo (01:04:41):
He grabs it.
Yeah.

Katie (01:04:43):
and he is like, here's some roadies for you.
And she continues to drink that.
Was he doing that on purposeto maintain her level of

Milo (01:04:52):
I think so.
It is like, you don't wanther, like it was again implied.
You don't want her waking up.
So, just, you know, too much.
So just keep feeding her beers.
Have a few for yourself and it's all good.
And drive the car that youreally barely know how to drive
without your driver's license.
Yeah, it's all good.

Hey, but as long as you
don't drop those F
bombs,

Milo (01:05:13):
Yeah.
Don't drop any f pump

Katie (01:05:15):
The, again, again, you guys.
Yes.
This is a PG rated movie.
It is

take your kids to see it.
Underage drinking,

Milo (01:05:22):
fun for the whole family.
Yeah.

but they
don't have, they only have
one F
bomb.
It's

Milo (01:05:28):
Yeah.

Katie (01:05:29):
but he needs proof of this.
So he goes to his friends and asks ifthey have film in the camera, so eighties.

Milo (01:05:37):
Again, very inappropriate.
Hey, look, I got this drunk girl.
Let's take my picture with her.
Yeah,

Katie (01:05:45):
And then they assume that they've already slept together and
they're like, two in one night.
You're a legend.
This like 11-year-old looking boy,

Milo (01:05:57):
yeah.
He's such a stud.
Such a stud.
No longer the geek.
He's the stud.

geek.
He's

Milo (01:06:04):
Yeah.
That's why.
That's why he is.

Katie (01:06:07):
There's a few other really inappropriate things that I wanted to I'm
sure that you, that you caught one is.
on more than one occasion, theyuse the F word that rhymes with bag

Oh

Milo (01:06:22):
Oh.
yeah.

Katie (01:06:24):
multiple times, like as an insult.
Do you, I seriously do remember that wordbeing used as lame, like to mean lame.

Milo (01:06:32):
I remember that from my youth as well.
Like we didn't throw it around asYeah, it was, it was to the level of
calling somebody lame or you know, ageek or a loser, you know, like you
would say it to your friends like, oh,
you know,

Katie (01:06:47):
Mm-hmm.

Milo (01:06:48):
kinda stuff.
Like we it, back then, it wasn'tnecessarily like a hard insult.
It was a kind of a soft insult.

Katie (01:06:56):
But it's we're so far, it's, isn't it funny how once it's removed from your
vernacular, it stands out so much when

Okay.

Katie (01:07:04):
hear
it again?
That,
again, always all white people inthese movies, Samantha is talking
about what would be her perfect, youknow her, she's complaining to her
friend that her family, she says, myfamily fucking forgot my birthday.
And her friend was like, well,what did, what did you want?

(01:07:25):
A trans am in the driveway witha bow around it or something.
then she's like talking about her perfectbirthday, about like a, a cute guy in a
Trans Am or something, or and a black one.
And her friend goes, A black guy like.
as if that so shocked that she wouldactually want to like date a black boy.

(01:07:51):
And she was like, God, no.
The TransAm a pink boy do.
Do you remember her saying that?

Milo (01:07:58):
I don't remember that.
That must, I must have missed that one.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
That's funny.
Yeah.

Katie (01:08:05):
school
hallway.
And I was like, oh my God.

Milo (01:08:07):
Yeah,

even find a black kid
anyway?
'cause

Milo (01:08:10):
Yeah.
Not in that school.

suburbs that,

Milo (01:08:13):
Not in that school.

Katie (01:08:14):
that's why her friend was so shocked.
There aren't any black people in within

Are you,

Katie (01:08:19):
of

Milo (01:08:19):
Yeah.

you, gonna go up to the south
side?
Like where are you
gonna
go?

Milo (01:08:23):
Yeah.

Katie (01:08:24):
Oh my God.
But then she said, no,a black car, a pink boy.

Milo (01:08:28):
Hmm.
To make nice and white, pink
kind of pinkish, sharp

Katie (01:08:34):
pink or I don't

Milo (01:08:35):
pink.
Pale skin.

Katie (01:08:37):
up the boy in the car.
I don't
know.

Milo (01:08:40):
Okay.

Katie (01:08:41):
T
reference.

Milo (01:08:43):
Oh,
what was that?

Katie (01:08:45):
is 1984

Milo (01:08:46):
Yeah.

the fool.

Katie (01:08:48):
Mm-hmm.
So Rocky, I don't know,actually the eight.
So the 18.

Milo (01:08:52):
18.

Katie (01:08:52):
the 18 would be on

A team.
Rocky.
Rocky Rocky three.
would've been out,

Katie (01:08:57):
Mm-hmm.

84.
I think maybe even his
serial was out by
then.

Milo (01:09:02):
Hmm.

T.
Serial,

Katie (01:09:03):
Mm-hmm.

that was kind of
big

Milo (01:09:05):
Yeah.
He was quite popular then.

Katie (01:09:07):
Yeah, he's wild.

Milo (01:09:09):
Did you, so here's a question.
So if, unless I miss something.
So, you know, when the, when Jakegoes to her house to find her and
long Duck dong answers the door,he is got a black eye and he starts
freaking out like Jake had hit him.
And they say, there's a conversation wherehe is like, are you gonna hit me again?
Or something like that.

(01:09:30):
' But there's no scene.

Katie (01:09:31):
me or

Milo (01:09:32):
Yeah, you beat me, but there's no scene.
So they obviously cut a scene outtathe film at some point in time
where Jake beats up long duck dong.

Katie (01:09:42):
A hundred percent.
I actually rewound it Milo.
'cause I'm like, wait,did I miss something?
Yeah.

Milo (01:09:47):
So it must, I'm guessing it must have happened at the
party maybe or something.
But, so Jake also was a dick for, besides.
Pimping out his girl.
He also beats up the Asianforeign exchange student.

Katie (01:10:02):
Yeah.
For no reason.
What did he do?

Milo (01:10:04):
I don't, he might have done something obnoxious,
but Yeah, that's the thing.
I want that, I wanna findout what that cut scene is.

crime.

Milo (01:10:10):
Yeah.

Katie (01:10:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You are
right Milo.
But I gotta say dreamy.
This is Jake?

Milo (01:10:17):
Jake?
Hmm?

Katie (01:10:19):
Did you guys not think so?

Milo (01:10:21):
No,

Katie (01:10:21):
was?
Like,

In fact, that's why they chose him, because actually
I guess he was so, shy in theaudition and they were like, we
don't know if this guy's gonna work.
but they were all like, ah,this guy's dreamy though.
We gotta work with this guy somehow.
Yeah.

Katie (01:10:35):
so, but he's so pretty

Yeah.

Milo (01:10:38):
I guess.

Katie (01:10:38):
he
really, he really, I mean, he, he, yeah.
Jake from, from, Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

him.
If I were a 16-year-old redhead in asuburban Chicago school, I'd be like damn.

Katie (01:10:51):
like the perfect eighties rich kid.
This movie also checks all the boxes.
There's a dance
that they go to, there's a
party at the Rich kid's house.
There's nerds and jocks That know, soI don't know why that's like a trope
in eighties movies, but they seemto always have beef with each other.
I don't,

Milo (01:11:11):
That was real.
I remember my high school,the nerds and jocks did not,

Yep.

Milo (01:11:16):
there was a separation.
Yeah.

Katie (01:11:19):
because like in real,

Milo (01:11:20):
Oh, real life.
It's real.

Katie (01:11:22):
real.
life, like it seems like would you'renot enough for me to even care about.
That seems like how they would

Milo (01:11:31):
You must have went to a nice school.

got wealthy like working for tech companies,
and the jocks are like,
I don't know,
selling
insurance.

Milo (01:11:40):
Yeah.

won out in The,
long
run.

Milo (01:11:42):
True.
The,

got the

Milo (01:11:43):
dirts did win.
Mm-hmm.

the geeks were right.

Katie (01:11:47):
Well, whereas going with that, Milo is like, Jake's friend, even when they're
in the gym, which was a weird scene,they're like doing pull-ups or something.
And his friend, basically when he'sasked about, do you know Samantha Baker?
What do you think about her?
And his friend is like, I don't

Milo (01:12:06):
Yeah.

Katie (01:12:06):
that's, how they think of people that aren't of their.
Caliber or whatever.

Yeah.
And their, and their C
clique or their
group.

Milo (01:12:15):
Yeah.

I think you find a lot less groups that way with today's kids.
But it's weird 'cause like my kids,my son's a teenager and I'll drop
him off at school or whatever.
Or he is hanging out with friendsand I'm like, it used to be geeks.
The geeks like you see in thismovie, we're kind of a subset
of, of the kids, but seems likethere's so many more of them now.

(01:12:37):
Like maybe they're the majority now.
It's a lot of weird
man.

Katie (01:12:44):
That's a good
point.
there's

kids are weird.

Katie (01:12:46):
sub genres.

Kids.
Kids

Milo (01:12:50):
Kids have figured out, they're like, wait a minute, if I'm a geek, I'm gonna be
rich and successful and get the hot girl.
Whereas if I'm a jock, I'm gonna spend therest of my life remembering that time in
high school when I, you know, threw thefootball touchdown or what I, you know,

Katie (01:13:04):
Peak in

you're gonna
be

Milo (01:13:05):
long-term success.
They're thinking ahead.
Yeah, they're thinking ahead.

You're gonna be Uncle
Rico or, or

Milo (01:13:12):
Oh yeah,

Bundy

Milo (01:13:14):
exactly.
They don't wanna be elk Rico.

Katie (01:13:16):
exactly.

Milo (01:13:17):
Yep.

selling shoes.
Remember that time you threw a
touchdown in high
school
selling

Milo (01:13:22):
Mm-hmm.

jocks, you lose,

Milo (01:13:25):
Yep.

you lose.

Katie (01:13:28):
There's a few other people that I wanted to point out.
I was looking for it.
The reverend I did see, so in thewedding scene when Jenny, she's like,
needs to sit down in the pew 'causeshe's so out of it on muscle relaxer.
She's like, I just need tosit and rest for a minute.
She sits next to Agnes Belushi.
Who is that actress in,

Milo (01:13:49):
Oh

Katie (01:13:50):
next to her?
Is
John and James

Milo (01:13:54):
wow.
So they got her little gig in the film

Katie (01:13:57):
The, the priest or the reverend is played by Bill Murray's
brother Brian Doyle Murray.
thought that was

Milo (01:14:05):
the less famous Murray, but he's still in a lot of stuff.
Brian Doyle Murphy.
If you look at he's shows up in alot of films in supporting roles.
I.

page
is a mile long.
He,
he's in

Milo (01:14:16):
Yeah,

Yeah,
he's in so many things.
You remember Groundhog Day?
He was like, the, the mayor.

Katie (01:14:21):
Well,

he's,

Katie (01:14:23):
like,

Milo (01:14:23):
of course he's gonna, Bill's like, get my brother in here.

many
things.

Milo (01:14:27):
Yeah.

Katie (01:14:28):
Yeah.
I guess that track, I mean,that tracks also Jamie Gertz.
Did you guys see her?

Oh yeah.
That, that's like she just had a littlecameo, kind of a little role, but I,
I was so, I was surprised to see, didit, 'cause I lo, I love Jamie Gertz.
I think she's kind of the underratedkind of movie dream girl of the eighties.

Katie (01:14:47):
Same.

so it was cool to see her in there.
I'm, I'm a big fan.

Katie (01:14:53):
I am too.
Now we already covered Ferris Bueller'sday off, and so we were talking about
the, there was meaning behind all ofthe license plates in Ferris Bueller's
Day off, and that seems to be a thingthat John Hughes does well, this being
his first movie that he directed.
You guys see that?
So, Jake's car, which was a prettysweet car, license plate was two

(01:15:15):
one eight five zero, which is JohnHughes birthday, February 18th, 1950.
And Molly Greenwald's birthdayis also February 18th.

Milo (01:15:27):
Oh,

Oh,
wow.

Katie (01:15:28):
Mm-hmm.

Milo (01:15:28):
didn't know that.

Katie (01:15:30):
That house.
Yeah.
Again, I don't know, I thinkI'm, again, this is my conflating
pretty in pink, I think with.
16 candles.
'cause I recalled them being poorand they're definitely not poor.
That was a giant house.
I guess there's six bedrooms.
It was a brick house inNorthwestern Evanston, Illinois.

(01:15:53):
And in 2006 it sold for one and aquarter million dollars, which would be
like, I don't know, 3 million Probably.

Yeah.

Milo (01:16:05):
Probably.
Yeah, actually.
Probably tripled.

I mean, it sounds like
a lot, but
these days it's
not a
lot.
But in,

Milo (01:16:11):
Yeah.

it probably, it was.
It's a lot.

Katie (01:16:15):
in a Chicago suburb.
Yeah.
That house probably wouldcost about $3 million.

Milo (01:16:21):
Yeah.

Yeah,

Milo (01:16:23):
Yeah, those are expensive.

Katie (01:16:25):
extreme.

But her room wasn't in that house.
room, was it in like a part of the,the gym that they were in, where
they filmed dances and stuff in thisschool, which they tore down and.
Now it's a community college, but Iguess that high school that they did
it in had been closed for four years.
So they filmed it in there, buther room was, was a set in there.

(01:16:48):
And I guess Molly Ringwald hada lot of her own stuff from
her room in that fake room.
So you get a little, a littleinside into what Molly Ringwald,
the real Molly Greenwald's roommight've looked like 'cause she had
a lot of her own stuff in there.

Katie (01:17:02):
Yeah.
And like her binder like, a lot of bandnames and stuff that she was into on
her, written on her school binder and

Yeah.
And in fact, I guess she and AnthonyMichael Hall didn't get along at first.
So John Hughes sent them off to go buymusic together at the mall and they
ended up like liking the same music.
And one of the bands she hadwritten on there was this kind of
one of the bands that they liked.
So they kind of bonded over music.

Katie (01:17:27):
which worked out 'cause they were the only two that were underage.
So

Yeah.

Katie (01:17:33):
this movie.
Let's see, I think it was in Skokie.
They were, you know, housed at thishotel in Skokie on the weekends
everybody else that was of age went toclubs and Molly Ringwald and Anthony
Michael Hall being 15 couldn't do that.
So I guess you know, afterthey bonded at over music, they

(01:17:53):
crashed Bar Mitzvahs at the hotel,

Milo (01:17:57):
Nice.
Hang out at the hotel, hit the pool.

like a

Milo (01:18:01):
Go to the bar mitzvahs.

John Hughes, movie plot
line.
Like

Milo (01:18:04):
does,

Katie (01:18:05):
does.

15-year-old kids who can't go out 'cause everybody's an adult.
They go Crash bar
MVAs.
Then you could make a
John
Hughes movie

Milo (01:18:12):
yeah.

That's the whole premise of a John Hughes movie.
Yeah.

Katie (01:18:16):
listeners, I would like
to point out that the reason I know thatis because I started reading the book
that I mentioned a couple episodes ago.
That I told you, I would give yousome tidbits from, you couldn't
ignore me if you tried the BratPack, John Hughes and their impact
on a generation by Susanna Gora.
So yeah.
Fun, fun fact.

that looks like a good one.

Katie (01:18:39):
Did you guys see that Dan note the embarrassing, like she's
writing, it's like asking questions.
Have you done it?
Who do you wanna do it with?
Like very, at the top itsays confidential, but
confidential is spelled wrong.

Milo (01:18:52):
Oh, I didn't notice that.
That's awesome.

Katie (01:18:57):
It is very typical too.
I don't know if that was like an accidentor if they purposefully did that.

Milo (01:19:02):
Oh, that'd be funny.

way.
It's awesome.

Milo (01:19:04):
Yeah.
Either way.
It's good.

' Jamie Fenderson (01:19:05):
it.
It's so perfect.

Milo (01:19:07):
Yeah.
I don't think note passing was athing in German schools, by the way.
'cause when we watched this,my wife said something about
the note and she's like, what?
And I'm like, yeah, they're like writingnotes and passing notes in class.
And so she didn't getwhat they were doing.
She was like, is thatlike a quiz or something?
I'm like, no, they're notgonna ask that on a quiz.
It's like she's passingnotes to her friend.

(01:19:28):
Yeah,

Katie (01:19:29):
I mean,
it was a quiz, but like a friend

Milo (01:19:31):
it was a friend quiz.
Yeah.

Katie (01:19:32):
Yeah.

Milo (01:19:33):
Yeah.

all kinds
of notes in

Milo (01:19:34):
Oh, that was totally a thing back then.

texted
back then.
You'd

Milo (01:19:38):
Mm-hmm.

but

Milo (01:19:39):
Yeah.

it in German
schools.

Milo (01:19:41):
I guess not.

Katie (01:19:42):
over there.

Milo (01:19:43):
She didn't,
yeah.

nine.

Milo (01:19:45):
You get smacked with a ruler if you get caught.
She's passing a note in Germany.

Mercedes-Benz by
passing notes.

Milo (01:19:53):
No.
You will study and you've learn.

Katie (01:19:56):
serious civilization

Milo (01:19:57):
Yeah.
I like how one of the questionswas like, have you ever had sex?
And one was, and it was kind oflike maybe or something like that.
Or how do you know?
How do you tell?
Or what

Katie (01:20:07):
sort

Milo (01:20:08):
sort of That's what it was.
Yeah,

Katie (01:20:10):
or, I

Milo (01:20:10):
of.

Katie (01:20:10):
so.
I think,

Milo (01:20:12):
I think so.
Yeah.
I think it was.
I think so.

Katie (01:20:14):
that I feel like is such a preteen, teen thing to be like, well,
I've done some stuff, but, you know, I,

Milo (01:20:23):
It's like, is that Sack?

Katie (01:20:25):
Yeah,

Milo (01:20:26):
Yeah, that was pretty funny.

Katie (01:20:30):
So I do very much like the, the person that they cast as Jake Ryan.
However, in an alternate universe,I would've loved this too.
You're never gonna guess in a millionyears who was super close to getting it.
It was down to two people.
Our Michael Schofield orshuffling and Vigo Mortenson.

Yeah,

Milo (01:20:54):
that I,

Katie (01:20:55):
Yeah,

Milo (01:20:57):
is a stud.

Katie (01:20:58):
I lo I adore.
Yeah.
I mean, and I, an exceptionfor me 'cause I'm not a blonde,

Milo (01:21:04):
Hmm.

Katie (01:21:04):
not into the blondes,
but dude, Vigo Mortenson.
Yeah.

Milo (01:21:08):
Yeah.

Molly really wanted him to to be the guy too.
'cause she was like
that.
That guy is
like, I like

Milo (01:21:15):
She's like, if I had to choose,
I'd hit that.

Katie (01:21:19):
Yeah.
I think the studio wanted Vigo too.
But John, know, he, he the hammer downand he said, no, it's gonna be chuffing

Milo (01:21:28):
Damn it, John.

Katie (01:21:29):
Yeah.

Milo (01:21:30):
I mean, I guess he has more of that kind of high school jock, preppy look
versus Vigo.
Yeah.
I like he definitely has probably moreof the look of that kind of, yeah.
Drives a Porsche kind of thing,
whereas Vigo.

Katie (01:21:45):
Vigo maybe
could have done like the, theblonde, Ivy League look to

Milo (01:21:49):
maybe, yeah.
Either way.

Katie (01:21:51):
mad at,
I'm not mad at RJ Ryan here, so,

Milo (01:21:54):
Hmm,

Katie (01:21:54):
I, I, I would
like the alternate reality too.
Maybe he could have been in the sequelbecause as we always talk about in
these eighties movies, there's alwaystalk of sequels or remakes or whatnot.
There was a potential sequel in2005, and Molly Ringwald actually
was interested in doing it.

Milo (01:22:12):
hmm,

Katie (01:22:13):
It was gonna
be 32 candles.
You know.
doubling the

now it'd be more like

Milo (01:22:20):
hmm.
50 something candles.
I don't know.
Average.
Yeah.

Katie (01:22:24):
or,

Milo (01:22:24):
candles.

Katie (01:22:26):
no,

6
6 67

Milo (01:22:30):
it's,

like
67 and a half
candles.
Now you

Milo (01:22:33):
it's not quite that many.

and, and people are like,
oh yeah,

Milo (01:22:37):
No.

collect social security now.
And it's a whole movie about
Molly Ringwald collecting
social security.

Milo (01:22:42):
She's having her birthday in the home.
Jake's gone.
There's a new guy in the old folks'home that she's got a crush on.

Oh, it's Vigo.

Milo (01:22:52):
Hey, V goes back.
Great.
I'd watch it.

Katie (01:22:56):
it.
Start writing.

Milo (01:22:57):
Yep.

Katie (01:22:59):
We didn't talk about the music and I wanted to bring him
up because he's a very frequentcollaborator with John Hughes.
The guy who did the music is Ira Newborn.
And we talked about him on theFerris Bueller's Day off episode
'cause he also did that music.
But weird Science Uncle BuckPlanes, trains and Auto Automobiles.
And also ACE Ventura and Mallrats

Milo (01:23:19):
Oh, mall route even.
Wow.

Katie (01:23:21):
Yeah.

Milo (01:23:22):
Hmm.

Katie (01:23:22):
Yeah.

Milo (01:23:23):
Yeah.
I mean, again, like when youthink eighties and you think his
mo his film John Hughes films.
You think music as well, like

Katie (01:23:34):
Mm-hmm.

Milo (01:23:35):
every one of his films has a soundtrack that goes
along with it perfectly.

Katie (01:23:41):
A hundred percent.

it kind of used to be that way with John
Hughes or Tim Burton or even

Milo (01:23:47):
A lot of films.

the nineties guy that, why can't I think of his name?
Pulp
Fiction.

Milo (01:23:53):
Quentin Tarantino.
Yeah.
His films back then.

they, have, they get, they find their style and they, then.
they find their musical score guyand they find a cohort of actors
that they like to work with.
And that's kind of their littleworld of their little film world.
I don't know, like Idon't watch many movies.
Is It still that way where directorskind of have that thing or, I,

(01:24:18):
I think, I feel like that was.
a thing back then.

Katie (01:24:21):
It

' Jamie Fenderson (01:24:21):
cause

Katie (01:24:22):
was.

John Hughes had his Molly Ringwald and he had the people
who did, he had his style, the peoplewho did his music and the Michael
Anthony Hall that he had his group
just like Tim Burton did.
Right.
That's, this is my group.
I, I don't know if that's a thinganymore and maybe it's because
studios kind of control everythingnow instead of the actual directors.

Katie (01:24:46):
it might be.
There was a, a really interestingguest on the Daily Show
recently, her name is Nancy.
I.
She's like old World Hollywood, butshe's an Asian actress that somehow got
parts that weren't just like caricatures.

Mm.

Katie (01:25:02):
We're talking like in the sixties.
And so she was talking abouthow that time, the era where
the studios you were under.
And part of the reason that thathappened for her was because she
was under contract with a studio.
So she was,

Mm

Katie (01:25:15):
to be
in, they had her contracted for
eight movies

mm.

Katie (01:25:18):
or
whatever.
And so she said that was kindof ending in the sixties.
And she said something really interestingwhen they were talking about movies.
She said, everything kind of comesback So I think that you saying
that Jamie made me realize, arewe, are we getting back to that?
Because when that ended, it usheredin this whole independent movie

Mm.

Katie (01:25:38):
you know,
really big in the nineties.
And then.
now we're kind of back tojust these like giant studio

Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:25:45):
So, I don't know, it just kind of
reminded me of

Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:25:48):
yeah, so of which though, a lot of these movies that John Hughes
did in the eighties that I, that arereally good, were made for no money.

Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:25:56):
was made for $6.5
million and it was nothing tosneeze at the worldwide gross.
It was $23.6
million on such a small budget, whichwas considered a modest hit at the time.
And you're right, Jamie,it right behind Breakin, it

Yeah.

Katie (01:26:13):
in 84, but it became a big hit on BHS you guys, it's
a film that's sweet, massivelyquestionable, but also relatable.

Milo (01:26:22):
Yeah.

Katie (01:26:23):
All
the same and very much of its time.
You
know, whether you're team
Jake Ryan, or just herefor the eighties vibes.
I do hope you enjoyedthis trip back to 1984.
Jamie Milo, thank youso much for joining me.
What are your closingthoughts on 16 candles?

Milo (01:26:42):
Go for it, Jamie.

I guess just a movie that won't be made again, so
that's what makes it good, I guess.
I, I, I kind of miss a lot of theI, I don't know, maybe I'm a bad
person, but I miss when you couldmake fun of things like they,
what they made fun of back then.
So maybe I'm terrible,

(01:27:05):
but I wish you could, I wish youcould make movies like this where
people weren't, I mean, maybe not,maybe not some of it, but I, I wish,
I wish you could like, be a littlemore, like less offended people and
watch this and just take it in stride.
So I like this.
I haven't seen this one forever and itreminded me of being a teenager again.

(01:27:27):
Even though I wasn't ateenager in 1984, I was a kid.
But if this'll take you backto some of the insecurities and
weirdness of being a teenager.
So I dig it.
I'm glad I got to revisit this again.

Milo (01:27:37):
Yeah, I'm, I'm with you.
It's one of those films that you have towatch it and put it into context of when
it was made in order to appreciate it.
Having said that, I can also accept howmodern audiences might not like this film,
and I wouldn't fault somebody if they'relike, oh yeah, no, I find it offensive.
I can't watch it.
That's fine.
But, if other people like it, letthem like it, you know, it's a,

(01:28:01):
certainly, , you have questionabledecisions at various points, but it's a.
Teen comedy from the eighties.
It is what it is and you just haveto appreciate it for what it is.
And you know, it was John Hughesfirst film and he started a trend
in the eighties that makes theeighties part of what it was.

(01:28:21):
And why we enjoy it is thanksto John Hughes, so you have
to appreciate it for that.

Katie (01:28:27):
Both very well said.
PS I forgot to see if you guysalso laughed at one of my favorite
moments in The movie that Idon't recall ever tracking.
when the grandmas are inthe kitchen trying to make
breakfast, the cigarette ash.

Milo (01:28:44):
secret.

Katie (01:28:47):
The one grandma's trying to catch the other grandma's cigarette
ash while they're cooking and it's thelongest and it's like in two scenes.
Then later when they're likeeating at the table, she's got
a really long cigarette ash too.
I was dying at that.

Milo (01:29:00):
Yeah.

My grandma those long ass cigarette ashes, and I remember
my mom sometimes like getting a littleashtray and kind of flicking it off from
my grandma, or they'd cook and even likethe ashes would fall into this stuff.
They'd be like, bitch.
Yeah, we're cooking it anyway.
Dude, don't, smoking was in 1984 wasa thing and my grandma had, I don't

(01:29:25):
know why sometimes she'd smoke, butsometimes she'd just light it up just
'cause she's just used to having it.
But she wouldn't even smoke it, Itjust turned into this long ass thing.
That's funny.
I'm glad you brought that up because I
so true.

Katie (01:29:40):
forgot about it, but I was like, oh my God.
And I don't remember noticing
that in

that was, that was so real back then though.
he must see that's 1984.
That was real.
Grandma's

Katie (01:29:52):
life.
Yeah.

grandma's had those long
ass ash cigarettes.

Milo (01:29:56):
Yep.
That they would be smoking whilecooking or doing any other thing.
Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:30:03):
Well, you guys, where can we find you more of you?

Milo (01:30:06):
Well, you can always find the eighties and nineties uncensored
at pretty much any podcast player.
You can visit our website, theeighties and the nineties.com.
And yeah, if you wanna find outmore of what we're working on,
fervor fish media is kind of our,like all encompassing product.
So that's fervor fish.com
and and then of course, pod jumps.

Katie (01:30:29):
I'll have this stuff in the show notes too, so send me

Milo (01:30:32):
Mm-hmm.

Katie (01:30:32):
Yeah.
Well if you guys hadfun with us, hit follow.
Leave a review.
Drop me a note.
I love hearing from fellow retro nerdsand until next time, be kind, rewind.

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