The Breakfast Club | S2E1 - Retromade

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Katie (02:17):
Hello.
Hello, I'm Katie andwelcome to Retro Made.
You are Pop Culture.
Rewind.
It is season two and I hopethat you feel like you're in
for an epic ride because I am.
It's John Hughes Schirmer.
Hi and Beyond this seasonfriend of the show.

(02:38):
Welcoming Back Ryan.
Thank you so much for joining me to Open.
Season 2 of Retromade.
What is new with you?
What's going on in yourworld of podcasting?

Ryan Rebalkin (02:49):
My world of podcasting.
Well, as maybe some of your listenersknow, but of course, Katie and I,
we do a bi weekly Rocky podcast.
We're on season five, movie five,Rocky five, halfway through the film.
Maybe, maybe it's, it's shapingup to be the longest season
of one more round by far.
Anyways, if you're a Rocky fan.
That's really the best podcastout there that covers Rocky.

(03:12):
I don't care if anyone'slistening to the things.
Otherwise it just is the bestRocky podcast that covers Rocky.
It's called one more round,the Rocky series podcast.
And I also do another podcast.
So let's plug this one.
It's called the worst of the best podcast.
You've been on it a couple of times.
I'm definitely gonna have you on again.
I.
Do most of the episodes with my brother,but he can't make every recording.
So I do look out for guest hosts.

(03:33):
It's basically where we justaggregate a best of topic list.
We just dropped an episode today at thetime of this recording about predictions
in history that didn't age well.
So these are bad predictions of historythat didn't age well, then we pick.
So these are the bestworst, if that makes sense.
And then we picked the which onewe really think was the biggest.
Oof, that's a, that's a badprediction that did not age well.

(03:54):
So yeah, it's those kinds of topics.
So it's a fun one to do.

Katie (03:59):
Pain.

Pain.
Yes.
Guys are all over the place.
Yes.
We're terrible.
Yeah.

Katie (04:07):
Yeah, I like the worst of the best.
A
lot.
Yeah.
It's fun.
Cause It's
varied.

one.
That's one.
That's one listener.
Yeah, that's the thing about it.
So yeah, we do a veryfocused Rocky pocket.
If you're not a Rocky fan, you're probablynot listening to that show at all.
And why would you, but the worst ofthe best, what's good about it is that
there are a variety of topics, but wetry to make it such where every week is
a different, a wholly different topic.
And we try to make it where.
Even if you don't know thetopic, that's the point you're

(04:32):
learning as you're listening, we
give, you know, very brief, whateverdescriptions of whatever the topic
is, but then you're kind of learning.
And the fun thing is you as alistener will also have your own
picks what you think is the worst.
I don't know.
I think it's fun.
I do like it too.
Yeah.

Katie (04:47):
It's fun.
I listen every, whenever
they come out.

You're a sweetheart.
I appreciate it.

Katie (04:53):
Well, we do have A listener email that I
wanted to bring up
before we open the time capsule.
This one is from Scott from allnineties action all the time.
He was very kind to congratulatingme on my first season.
He says, hi, Katie.
Just thought I'd send you a quickcongratulate you on wrapping
up season one of your podcast.
Which I very much enjoyed throughout.

(05:13):
It was very interesting.
You highlighting all thesimilarities between Kurt and
Patrick on the wrap up episode.
Also, despite not having previouslyconsidered them to be close in looks.
I can definitely see it more.
Now.
I'm glad that that happened.
Scott.
He says, oh, yeah, I meant to also say.
Say on the fatherhood episode, you andyour guests were debating where the

(05:34):
proclaimers were from and doing when,when we were doing the music chart stuff,
and I can confirm that they come frommy hometown of Edinburgh, Scotland.

Oh, Scotland.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
That's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (05:49):
email.
If you want to be like Scott andyou should, you should send me an
email at retromadepodcast at gmail.
com.
Okay.
As I mentioned in the trailerfor season two, I have mixed up.
We have a new formatthat we're going to try
out, Ryan, for the time capsule.
So should we get to opening the time

(06:09):
capsule from February 15th, 1985.
This is 40.
This is the 40th anniversary.

Jeez.

Katie (06:18):
So

I'm old.

Katie (06:23):
well, we're all old and that's why we do retro made because we, we,
can think back.
So I have come up with some differentcategories for the time capsule and
we're going to spin to choose one.
And then I'm going to ask you trivia
questions.

Oh,

Katie (06:39):
To see, test your, test your retro
knowledge.
Okay.

right.

Katie (06:44):
All right.
We're going to
spin it.

Do the listeners get to play at home?

Katie (06:48):
Yes.
Okay.
We have come to thecategory totally tasty.
That's what we spun.
right, Ryan, let's see.

question, I presume.

Katie (06:59):
Yes, totally tasty.
Hmm.
I have several questions.
Let me see.
Which 1980s snack introduced a zesty saladdressing inspired flavor in a crunchy
tortilla chip, making it a fan favorite?

So what's the brand of chip?
Well,

Katie (07:17):
snack?
What is
it?

Doritos, Doritos chips.

Katie (07:24):
But what kind?

Oh

Katie (07:27):
These were, you know, this is stuff relative to
1985.

well, don't forget American Canadians have different
we have different snack items.
Like our candy bars are,for example, are different.
You notice how I said candy bars becausein Canada we call them choco bars.
But so give me a hint.
Sorry.
Is it a chip or is it like buglesor is it something like that?

Katie (07:45):
No, you were right with
Doritos.
You were right, but it's a

Oh, ranch style flavor chips?
Doritos?
Or is it the zesty cheese one?

Katie (07:54):
What's it called?
It
is, it, you know how there'smultiple flavors of Doritos?
What do they call it?

Boy, did I say, it's not called was it something ranch, right?

Katie (08:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's one more.
Cool, Cool
Ranch.

see, people at home, they're yelling, yeah, of course.
And I love Doritos, I justdon't eat them anymore.
Try to stay healthy.
See?

Katie (08:17):
is when you were a kid.
Weren't you 10
years old at this time?

know
what's funny?
Yes, I was, I was, Yes.
Thank you for aging me out publicly.
Fair enough.
Just for you.
Yes, I was 10 years old in 85and I don't think Doritos came or
they weren't really popularized.
Until I was like a teenager, Ithink they probably obviously came
to the States first, but if they
were in Canadian stores, my parents,my parents never bought them.
Let me rephrase that.

(08:40):
I may have bought my own Doritoswhen I had my own money, when
I started delivering newspapersand working at a restaurant.
So anyways, of course.
Cool Ranch Dressing and how could Iforget that because it's literally
a line from a Guns N Roses song thatcame out Axl Rose says that in the
song and all my, any GNR fan that mightbe listening to this is yelling at
me because I'm a big GNR fan because

Katie (09:00):
Me too.

because he actually says in the song it's pretty tied
up, there you go, see, he says, CoolRanch Dressing, and anyway, it's like
how could I forget that, so shame

Katie (09:09):
Well, so yeah, the snack that was introduced was Cool Ranch Doritos.
All right, let's spin it
again.
You, that was not very good.
Let's, let's see

oh jeez,

Katie (09:20):
Let's see.
Ooh, it's on the line.
VHS vault is the
category.
Let's see what we have here.
What can I ask you?
Okay.
There are 5 choices.
Let's see how many you can get.
The top 5 video rentals.

(09:40):
1985, the whole year,
1985.
I'll give you hints.

Okay.

Katie (09:44):
Let's see how many of the top 5 for the whole year you can list.
Here's your hint.
Martial arts.
Sci fi action, slapstick comedy,jungle adventure, and college pranks.
Those were the ingredients ofthe top five rentals in 85.
Can you name them?

Okay.
So say we'll say the first one again.
Just the first, the first category.
I'll just guess like that.
Go by

Katie (10:12):
Martial arts.

85 martial arts karate kid.

Katie (10:17):
Yes.
Sci fi action.

Oh Vages rentals.
This is tricky.
Cause I know

Katie (10:23):
VHS rentals.
Yep.

Okay.
I'm going to go while I knowTerminator came in part in 84.
So maybe the rental was 85.

Katie (10:31):
You are correct.
The Terminator is the number
two.

Okay.

Katie (10:35):
slapstick comedy.

slapstick comedy.
This one's gonna be a little bit tricky.
Cause there's so many eighties comedies.
It's ridiculous.
I know I'm just going to go with Idon't like the term slapstick, but
I'm going to go with a vacation.

Katie (10:53):
Police academy.

please
that
is slapstick Yep, you're right about
the slapstick and I was I think theoriginal vacation might be earlier.
I think it's like 83 84 Yeah, okay.
Okay.
Yeah, that's

Katie (11:05):
got two more.

yeah, that's legit.

Katie (11:07):
doing pretty good.
How are you doing at home, you
guys?
Okay.
Jungle Adventure.

romancing the
stone

Katie (11:14):
Yes.
Yes.
One of my favorite movies of all time.
And College Pranks.

college pranks I know this is gonna be can you at this point?
I don't know the prank part a prankmovie Like I guess pranks like hijinks.
Is that what that means?
Maybe hijinks vice pranks cuz pranks iswhen you play trick on somebody right

Katie (11:37):
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is.
And that, that's accurate.

Okay, give me that.
Maybe just give me an I know it's acheat, but I give me a cheat What's
the actors one of the actors names?
I know it's a cheat, but

Katie (11:49):
Anthony Edwards is
one of the actors.

Oh, really?
Oh something like, I know it's not weirdscience, but it's something like that.

Katie (11:58):
Not Anthony Michael
Hall.
Anthony Edwards.

yeah, I know.
I know the guy from ER, right?

Katie (12:03):
Yeah, Yeah.

Yeah, and

Katie (12:04):
Do you give up All right.
At home.
I hope you know it.
I hope you know
it.

I haven't

Katie (12:10):
Revenge of the
nerds.

Oh, I have seen, you know, I've seen that movie
like literally maybe once.
It's a funny, it's funny about about80s comedies, the, those, those type
of comedies, even now and then orwhatever it was, and I, like you said,
I was 10 years old when that came out.
So even when I became a teenager, Icould rent those R rated comedies.
As well, I watched them when Iwas younger, but the point is, I

(12:32):
never thought they were that funny.
I don't even think Animal House,ooh, I know, don't say it, Ryan.
I don't think Animal House isas funny as people think it is.
I'm not, I was never, I neverthought it was that kind of funny.
Now, I admit, I like the Naked Gun films.
I thought those were funny.
I,

Katie (12:46):
I,
would categorize those as 2 different
genres.
I think revenge raunchy
comedy

that's what it is.
It's just not.
Look, we're looking at a girl in a bra.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
I gotta

Katie (12:57):
but that was a lot in the 80s.
There was a lot of

while they resurged it with the American Pie films,
and I mean, I watched them becauseit was like that resurgence.
I just, I guess, maybe I'm a prude,but I, which I'm really not, but
sex, sex humor though, it's funny.
It's just where the wholepremise is we have to get laid.
It gets

Katie (13:16):
it's beneath you because you are a film.
No, I mean, truly because youare a film connoisseur, you're
like, yeah, yeah, that's okay.
You
know,
but I would

romance in the storm or storm still rematch the stone more
terminator like Or of course the originalvacation films those types of films.
I just like that kind of humor better.
That's all.
Yeah,

Katie (13:38):
Oddly enough, I do I mean, in rewatching Revenge of the Nerds now, your
mind will be blown at how inappropriate a

Oh, I love that.
I love that.

Katie (13:49):
meaning.
No there's literally
a rape scene,

Oh,

Katie (13:52):
but it was funny and, you know, like that, you
know, like that kind of stuff.
You're like, oh, shitwhen you watch it now.
But I remember it.
I remember thinking it was
funny.

Oh Sure, it's

Katie (14:02):
Yeah.
Revenge of the
nerds.
I
don't.

to laugh at.

Katie (14:07):
Yeah.
Isn't it?
Oh my God.
Okay.
Let's do one more.
Ryan.

then is weird.
It's weird and I'm glad we've changedas a culture, but it's weird how we made
that a bit of a comedy thing, you know,
watching girls.
Yeah.
Just actually Just watching girlschange without their knowledge is
actually, you shouldn't do that.
That's actually a crime.

Katie (14:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But
how funny is that?
There's a people in the locker room.

It's people.
Yeah.
All right.
Porkies.

Katie (14:33):
Ryan.
Do you think, I

Yeah, sure.
Sure.
This is fine.
I, I could play every one of these.
I think this is great.
I just, I'm just not asgood as I had hoped I'd be.
Oh.

Katie (14:42):
Ooh, that's on the line.
It's back in the headlines.
You
guys, let's see I'll give you a couplebecause some of them are pretty easy in
1985, who became the general secretary ofthe Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

Was that Gorbachev?

Katie (14:59):
Mm hmm.
Mikhail
Gorbachev.
Good.
Good job.
Let's do maybe one more.
In 1985, which criminal known fora string of terrorizing crimes in
California was finally apprehendedafter eluding authorities for months?

that the Summer of Sam?

Katie (15:16):
No.
You have another guess?

Oh!

Katie (15:19):
California.

Oh, I.
I'm actually, I do enjoy true crime too.
I know what you're
going to say.
And I'll be, I'll belike, Oh yes, of course.
Just again, just like there's so manyteen comedy films in the eighties.
There's so many
serial

Katie (15:34):
to pull them out of

I know, like, I know it was all the stories, but the timelines I'm
like, I know he entered people I think hewent into someone's garage at one point.
What was this guy's

Katie (15:44):
Yeah.
The
community helped a lot.
Helped capture him Richard Ramirez.

that's right.
That's right.
He was scary looking.

Katie (15:53):
Mm hmm.
Mm
hmm.

say I even know what he looks like that.
I just forgot the year.
Yep.
Yeah interesting.
Wow.
Yeah scary He was a scary guy.
He's one of the scary ones

Katie (16:03):
He yeah Mm hmm.
I
mean as serial

I know they're all scared.
No, but I mean even tedbundy isn't scary like you

Katie (16:11):
he looks like a normal

yeah,
That's what the in a way that's almostmore scary because he just blends in
but Yeah, Ramirez looks like a killer.
He just looks like, yeah, I kill people.
Sure you do.
I bet you

Katie (16:23):
Mm hmm.
All right, Ryan What do you thinkabout the new segment and format?

Well, I could play the whole episode like this.
I
mean, I love trivia.
I love, I'm not very good at what Iknow what I know, and I know what I
don't know, but I mean, I, I pridemyself a little bit when it comes to
this timeline of stuff and movies, andI do fairly well, like I do fairly okay.
But I love it.
I, I think it's a great segment and Ican't wait to play at home myself and
then yell at the other hosts who are on

(16:51):
the spot and say, I know somuch more than they do, so,

Katie (16:54):
I will say it requires a lot more research on my end to have 12
questions ready for 12 segments.
But But, anyway, you guys athome, let me know what you think.
Do you like the trivia version?
Do you like the wheel spinning?
Let me know.
Okay, Ryan, we're gonna be talkingabout The Breakfast Club today.
1985, February 40th anniversary.

(17:16):
But

40 years.

Katie (17:18):
how did you first discover John Hughes films?
Do you, do you haveany history with him or
what do you

Just natural history.
I was like, like I said, I wasborn in 75 and so I was of the age.
I saw the films, not knowing John Hughesper se, because even when I was young,
I kind of knew Oh, Steven Spielberg.
I think I've heard of him, but I saw allthe films that these guys did, you know?
So it wasn't until I got alittle bit older, my teens
would be kind of more of that.
Like you said, I've always, I'vewatched movies my whole life.

(17:47):
I have, I've, I've devoured moviesand, but when I became a young teen
and started like actually like gettingfilm almanac type books while before
Wikipedia and for the internet, I wouldget the yearly, I forget what their
calls like a Roger Debert had one.

Katie (18:04):
Oh, cool.

Yeah, there's like these in their film review books, I would
buy them yearly and it have the actorsin the back and tell you every movie
they're in or what page number was on.
And so I look up, you know, Oh,Tom Cruise was in this film.
I didn't know that.
I would go to the movie store to rent.
That was your IMDb.
There you go.
That was your IMDb back in theday was these big books you would

(18:27):
buy to find what, what moviesyour favorite actress had been in.
There's different different brands,but the idea I bought them every
year for a few years and also was aSubscriber to entertainment weekly.
I I'm a young teen and I actually gotmy own subscription to that magazine.
So I was a huge movie nut This
is all again old pre internet.
This is how you got your hey kids.
This is how we did it backin the day It's all on paper.

(18:47):
That's how we got our information was onpaper And I used to watch entertainment
tonight on tv i'd watch cisco and ebertof course every every weekend Okay, I
sailed that so regarding john hughes.
I was younger.
So i'd watched all the films,you know that You Well, sorry,
the big ones on your list that

Katie (19:02):
Mm hmm.

there was a couple that you sent me to choose from.
I never even heard of that film.
So

Katie (19:06):
Mm hmm.

filmography is much bigger than I ever would have
thought without looking into it.
So yes, Breakfast Club, 16Candles, Pretty in Pink.
I saw those, you know, as a young kid,you know, of course, Molly Ringwald
was like every young boy's crush,you know, she was like cutie patootie
that we we enjoyed as, as young men.
So, yeah, I saw them.
Oh, Uncle Buck, all that stuff for sure.

Katie (19:27):
Mm hmm.
Nice.
All right.
Well, let's get into themovie, The Breakfast Club.
40th anniversary, you guys.
How does, how does that
grab you?
February 15th, 1985.

Wow.

Katie (19:48):
Now, I did find something interesting
about this.

Mhm.

Katie (19:51):
John Hughes actually wrote the Breakfast Club that came
out in 1985 before he wrote 16
Candles that came out in 84.
But the studio was concernedthat the Breakfast Club would
be, you know, that it's a drama.
It's completely filmed inhouse featuring just talking.
So they wanted him to dosomething more tried and true.

(20:14):
So they wanted
So, something along the lines ofNational Lampoon's Animal House.
So he wrote 16 Candles and ironically,16 Candles wasn't as successful.
Both commercially and criticallyand the Breakfast Club was
a hit as we will get into.
So I

Okay.
I'll tag that it is interested, but Igot a couple of theories or reasons.
So this is

Katie (20:35):
Okay.

that you bring this up because 16 Candles, it was a
little bit more, maybe had a littlebit more of that, ooh, humor that
studios in the eighties were lookingfor because I know Breakfast Club.
That's the one thing theydidn't like about it.
Not just what you just saidthere, but there wasn't enough
boobs and things like that.
Well, that was the bigthing about the eighties.
Oh, like flashing scenes, a girl,topless girls running around
and it just goes to show you.

(20:57):
I'm not going to say look at mebeing like, you're talking about
being a bit of a film connoisseur.
The public does agree with me this filmOver time has shown you that people
are talking about breakfast club in thein a reverent manner So to speak over
the decades more than they are aboutnerds I think people think revenge of
the nerds is a better film than it is.
That's when objectively youcan't say You know what?

(21:17):
I mean?
Like it's
it's just it doesn't it didn't itinfluenced a lot of other garbage kind
of raunchy teen comedies Nothing, nothingreally Objectively film quality good
came out of that string of genre films.
I P I know people got a kick out of it.
I just say all of that because.
Yeah, well, I mean, we'll getinto the cover of the film.
I just really appreciate this filmfor that reason that it came out in

(21:40):
a time where John Hughes said, Hey, Iunderstand the studios were saying, this
is what you think the box office wantsor whatever it is, what people want.
And it just kind of goes to show youthat maybe that wasn't always the case.
There wasn't, there wasan audience as well.
Maybe.
As well, there was an audiencethat wanted this type of film.
Cause this is a film you can watch 40years later and with your kids today.

(22:01):
I, yeah, this is a film of, I'd bevery, yeah, a couple of curse words.
Who cares?
We swear in our home.
So it's just a, yeah, this isa, this is a very good film.
And I appreciate that John made this film.

Katie (22:11):
I agree.
It's your point.
It is rated R, which is the only 1of that 1st trilogy of teen films of
his which is interesting becausethere's not nudity in this 16 candles
actually had nudity and impliedrape in it and it was only rated P.
G.
And this is our,

More, rape.
Hey, I

Katie (22:35):
yeah, it was a whole thing in the 80s.
Now, interestingly enough,

a long time.
I that's why the prettyin pink, 16 candles.
It's probably been since the eighties.
I've seen those films just

Katie (22:44):
well, it's implied they don't show anything, but yeah.
And then this movie, there werethings that were originally either
planned or filmed that were taken out.
For example, there was nudity, there wasa gym teacher that they were going to show
nude and they took it out.
You know, things like that.
So that I found that interesting.
It does have a 7.

(23:06):
8 on IMDb, which wholeheartedly agree.
This is an excellent film.
There's only a handful of moviesthat we're going to talk about on
this season where John both directedand wrote and this is 1 of them.
He was the director and the writer.
Did you see that this is 1 of thosestories and I believe it, but you

(23:28):
know how a lot of times they'relike, oh, like the Rocky story.
He wrote it in 1 day
or something.
Apparently John Hughes did writethis screenplay in 2 days over
the July 4th weekend in 1982.

I believe it, but like all films, there's on the set revisions.
There's just, there's no
way what we saw on the screen.
But yes, I would say 60 to, I'll even saymaybe 80 percent of the film was written.
I, somebody like John Hughes, who's awriter, storyteller, they just get it.
They get it out.
People are like that.
They just get it out of their system.
But as the.

(24:03):
As a production gets greenlit andgoes on and there, because I know
things were changed on the fly.
I mean, there was on thefly stuff that happened

Katie (24:09):
Mm hmm.

that was not in the script.
What do you call it?
Improv in the, in the film itself.
So yeah.

Katie (24:14):
Well, I probably don't need to this is probably like the movie.
I don't need to read a description forbecause I assume everybody has seen this
multiple times, but if it's been 40 years
for you, or in case you haven't seen it.
The breakfast club follows 5 highschool students from different clicks.
Claire, the princess, Andrew, the athletevendor, the criminal Brian, the brain and

(24:39):
Allison, the basket case, who are forcedto spend a Saturday in detention together.
Initially, they clash due to their socialdifferences, but as the day progresses,
they open up about their struggles.
insecurities, and pressuresfrom parents and peers.
Through deep conversations andshared experiences, they form an
unexpected bond, realizing that theyare more alike than they thought.

(25:02):
By the end of the day, they leavedetention changed, unsure if
their newfound connection willsurvive outside the school walls.
Okay.
Mm hmm.

Can I, can I pat myself on the back?
I rarely brag, but I liketo brag every now and then.
I haven't seen this movie in a while.
So it's been, I don't know.
Like, I don't, I don't re watcha lot of films in general.
Just, I just don't have time.
Especially as my life has goneon, and my family's gone bigger,
and my job, and the military.
So it's hard for me, when I have freetime, I try to just watch something new,
because I like to watch something new.

(25:32):
But, it's been a while.
And as I was watching the film andwatching the characters talk and
everything, it dawned on me when I, ofcourse, but I mean, it's obvious, but
at the same time, what I liked about itis what I should say is that it brought
me back to being a teenager myself.
I'll get to that because I think this iswhat everyone does when they watch the
film, they, they go back to their selves.
How, who were you, where did you identifywithin this group of, you know, they ask

(25:57):
their caricatures and it's very, you know,very cut and dry what each of these people
represent in high school personalitiesor, or groups of social groups.
But I was the essay.
Meaning at the end of the film when theyhave the essay and it's basically says
oh, we're everybody We're all the same.
We're all parts of eachother that that was me.

(26:18):
That was actually me in high school Iwas the I was a bit of a nerd but I also
dress preppy But I was also playing rugby.
I also listen to heavy metal and rockand roll So I fit all these categories
of P I did all those things and I wasthe guy that Your individual that was
able to associate with all those groupsis just skaters the punks the jocks the

(26:41):
nerds But Ryan himself, I I was ableto hang out talk to all those groups.
I don't know why but So Iwas the essay at the end.
I just always lived that way.
I'd never had an identitybecause I just enjoyed whatever.
I enjoyed that sport.
I enjoyed that kind of music.
I enjoyed, you know, trying todo well in school or stay out of
trouble, that kind of personality.
I wasn't a bad boy, but like, butlike the Judd Nelson character.

(27:03):
Yeah.
I, I liked probably themusic he would listen to.
So all that kind of stuff.
I don't know.
So it just reminded me ofmy own childhood and youth.
Oh yeah, I identify with all these people.
But then they did too.
That was the whole message, but

Katie (27:16):
It is, and I think that's why this movie, I mean, there are a number
of reasons, but I think that's 1 of thereasons this resonates with people so
much is because I would argue most people.
I mean, I think that's to your point.
That's kind of the point of the movie.
Most of us, myself,included you, we identify.
Very few people are

(27:37):
just the popular clicky girl.
Very few people are just the, thejock, you know, so we all identify.

But talk.
That was the thing theywould separate themselves.

Katie (27:48):
hmm.

And that's what they found in this situation is, Oh, we're
forced to get to know each other.
We find out we're more much the same asnot to get all like hoity toity about
the world, but isn't that what theworld is kind of like we divide with
borders and race and creed and sexuality.
When, when you get down to it, weprobably have a lot more in common.
Then the perceived differencesif we just sat and had a

(28:10):
conversation with each other.

Katie (28:11):
100 percent if you.
Spend time with somebodywho's different from you.
Granted, these are all white
kids, but you know,whatever it is, you other
different groups, whatever they are,and , you only find out a lot of times
people as you, as you grow, as youmature, you realize, everybody's just

(28:34):
human.
And yeah, I, you know,
there's so many good

with

Katie (28:38):
Yeah.

It's okay to be different but with those differences we can learn
from each other I think that's the that'sthe wonderful message about this film.
This is why it's a timeless film.
So yes, it's a teenage Characters in ahigh school, but once you get past the,
the set that they're using and the agesof the characters, it's actually just
a universal language and experience.
Yeah.

(28:59):
It's yeah.
Beautifully done.
It's really kind of amazing that thiswas made when it was made, that it can
be looked at at so many different levels.
It's, it's actually a much deeperfilm that I even remembered it until

Katie (29:10):
Mm hmm.
Very well put Ryan.
Let's talk about
our cast and it's very
small, which is unusual.
You know, there's really what?
7 people in
this.
That's it.

or less.
Yeah.
The kids, the janitor.

Katie (29:25):
And the and the

not principal,
was he the principal

Katie (29:28):
Well, we'll, let's, we'll talk about that.
We will talk
about that.
But I
think the, so Emilio Estevezplays the sport, Oh, Andrew Clark.
And what did you think?
So in, in me growing up, like ourschool didn't have wrestling, but I
liked, I learned that John Hughes hadoriginally wrote him as a football

(29:51):
player, but that was so overused tothe, he made him a wrestler instead.
I really liked that

love that he actually used it within the
film when he takes on the bully.
I love that this this wrestlerin and of course, I'm, sorry.
I already forgot the character's name.
So I apologize.
Judd and Allison playedthe character's name was

Katie (30:10):
John Bender.

So, but we'll just use the actor's name.
It's so when, when Emilio and Juddface off with each other to have an
actual physical altercation, I wasactually, what I liked about it, how
realistic it was, like, yeah, thisguy's actually a trained grappler.
So if you want to, even though he'sshorter, maybe a little bit smaller
in stature, but if this guy grappleswith you and he's trained to do it,

(30:32):
And he took him down really quickly.
And he said, like, is this what you want?
I can keep, I will humiliate you all day.
But then of course, his characterdraws the knife and Emilio's like,
Oh, well, that's where you're going.
That's wholly different levels.
So I like those really real moments ofthese, that dangerous feeling in that,
you know, Oh, he's drawing a knife.
He's literally bringing aknife to a wrestling fight.

(30:52):
It's like, well, now I can't do that.
You know, but it was thought of greatlittle moments like that, which are
again, just fantastic real life.
Situation with two guys fightingand the one guy gets humiliated.
So it goes, yeah, I'm going to nowdraw a gun on a knife fight type thing.
It's like, Ooh, okay, well nowthere's a whole different level of

Katie (31:10):
And the way that he, they layered humor on top of
those situations.
He, you know, the way he's, you know, thetough guy, what Bender says, you know,
I don't want to go there with you, man.
Cause I'd kill you.
Then he puts the knife in thetable and Allison, just like off
screen, we see her pull it out.
It's just they layer

we never re investigate that.
We never, like she takes the knife.
Is it ever does he everrealize his knife is gone or?

Katie (31:34):
I don't know if it was in her bag later when she empties
her bag, but
you're right.

I wonder if that was even scripted.
That's the other thing.
I was at an improv rally.
She needed just to takethe knife out of the

Katie (31:44):
could have been as to your point, Ryan, there was a
ton.
So John Hughes let theseguys, his, his actors, you
know, ad lib and a ton ofthat made it into the movie.

I think it was them fooling around I think she just took
the knife and John's like that I likethat and just don't re explore where
the knife is just it is what it is Yeah,

Katie (32:06):
Well, that's our second person is John Bender.
He's the criminal.
He's played by Judd Nelson.
I did read that his clothes,his outfit in the movie is what
he wore when he auditioned.

now you probably gonna talk about it.
Did you read about him and mr.
Hughes?

Katie (32:23):
I did,
yes.
Tell Yeah.
Have at it

well, I didn't know about this if I knew about it.
I'd forgotten I Wow.
Talk about one of the biggestHollywood riffs in history.
So on the set, Judd,who was 24 at the time,

Katie (32:40):
25.

25.
Okay.
25 at the time,
give or take.
Yeah.
So 24 and he, and Molly Ringwald was only,she was younger than I thought she was.
She was, she was only 16.
So she couldn't even work full days.
So there was some like behindthe headshots was her stand in.
Uh, Cause she had to go to school.
So.
Molly was 16, you know,legally a minor and Judd would

(33:02):
mistreat her in character off.
Like when they're not filming, hewould stay in character and kind
of still kind of be a dick towardsMolly and, and John Hughes is very
protective of Molly Ringwald as an oldergentleman and like this young teenager.
And he, as a muse in a way,wanted Molly to be protected.
So he felt very protective of her.

(33:23):
So he told Judd Hey, come on.
Cool your heels, man.
Like you don't have to be this way,just like I'm going to be this way.
And it took the actor who played theprincipal to convince John to keep Judd
around despite, you know, the behaviorand as years went on though, but
sorry, John was so still put off by it.
He allowed the film to finish, but hehated the whole experience with Judd.

(33:43):
He never worked with Judd again.
And like they never reconciled ever.
I

Katie (33:51):
accurate.

but what, what?
I, so I guess, I don't know if thisshows more of the character of John.
Like I find his, the more I read aboutJohn and some of his, we'll get to
Molly and his treatment with her too.
Yeah.

Katie (34:02):
And Michael, Mike, Anthony, Michael Hall too.
Like those two,

Oh, I missed that one.
So you tell me to tell me about that one.
I didn't read about that one.
So I'm, is John the problem?
bit,

Katie (34:13):
I mean, he was young.
He was like 30
ish.

but, but years go on though.
I admit I
made choices.
What
I made choices when I was young thatI would not do today, of course.
But if I ever saw so and soand I'd be like, Oh, I'm sorry.
And I've done that actually.
Like I was young and stupidand I don't feel that way now.
Right.
And this I'm just surprised after decades.
There was no man.
We're just young and there'sa crazy moment or like you

(34:39):
were young like judgling 24.
It's that's young Ithought I knew everything.
I didn't know anythingat 24 compared to now.
So Yeah, it's weird that theynever reconciled they held

Katie (34:48):
Both a bit of an ego probably.
And I mean, it's, you know, likewe were talking offline, sometimes
people just rub you the wrong
way.
And he was like, I, I just haveno desire to work with him again.
But you're right.
I think it Judd's.
Character John Bender, as we'll talkabout, there are so many classic
memorable lines and one liners and thedialogue and this is just excellent.

(35:10):
But half, I would say 75 percent ofwhat made me laugh was Bender's lines.
Like Judd was really good as
Bender.
So

Okay, so you know what's interesting here?
This is gonna be a hot takeThis is gonna be a hot take I
enjoyed his performance the least

Katie (35:29):
interesting.

Yeah, and it's weird.
I don't know.
It's because you can say, Oh, right.
He's playing his character so well.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, but I've seenmovies with jerks and bullies and stuff.
I get it.
One of the people that was almostalmost cast like if Judd didn't
exist as an entity, if his ifhis if he just never existed.
John Cusack was scheduled to play

Katie (35:51):
Mm hmm.

I really like John.
And I think he would have donea great job and Nicolas Cage was
actually scheduled to do it as well.
There's talks that he wouldhave done a great job.
Nicolas Cage, I think Nicolas Cage isanother good example of somebody who
could have done that role of a bitof a, but the lovable, the lovable
troubled at the same time that youcan get, I never got behind him.

(36:11):
I just thought, Oh man,you're just irritating.
I found him irritating, not enjoyable at

Katie (36:15):
Well, he's supposed
to be.

But it's hard to explain.
I know, but I, I thinkit was his performance.
I think it was honestly, objectively.
I think it was Judd's performance.
I, I think the dialogue was great.
I think the story arc was fine.
That's all John's writing.
Maybe I'm team John a little bit.
Maybe he just,
maybe he kind of saw I don't know.
I think John Cusackwould have been a better.

Katie (36:38):
Well, I mean, you're
entitled to feel that way.

Oh yeah.

Katie (36:41):
guess.
Yeah.
there are things thateach one of them does that
kind of like the actors, they'reyoung, like they either overdid
it or weren't that great,
but the dialogue that waswritten for them was excellent.
I do very much, I think JuddNelson emulates that tough guy.
I mean, he's like a grown assman too, though, like who's

(37:02):
buying him as a teenager,
but

But you

Katie (37:05):
I hate Nicholas K.
I don't like Nicolas Cage at all.
Like I hate him.
So I, he would have
turned me off from this

Okay.
So can we meet,

Katie (37:13):
Cusack's not tough enough.
John

Uh, well, but that, I would say give him a chance to do the role.
Maybe he would have,

Katie (37:22):
Yeah, that's

cause he's a good actor.
Cause he's a good, he's just,there's generally a tough guy.
He's just acting.
Right.
So
Judd's delivery.
The thing about him as an actor is bad,I just found his delivery, you're talking
about that over the top, I found thatwas the majority of his character, was

Katie (37:38):
Some of it, I guess I meant like the lines, most
of the funny lines were his
lines and he

he
got a lot, he got a lot, of

Katie (37:48):
like funny one liners.
He was good at that.

as far as, maybe, maybe there's more Judd than I remembered,
I was like, oh, there's a lot of Judd.

Katie (37:58):
There is, he's, he was really good at delivering the humor.
And I think maybe, you know, when he wastrying to be more serious, maybe it was.
Maybe
over John,

the scene where he's talking about, okay.
There's a couple of scenes that I didn'tmaybe that really was off putting and
maybe it's a bit of combination ofthe writing and the delivery was when
he's talking about his home life andhe's acting this father's part, his
mother's part and his part reactingthe whole like abuse in his home.
I was like, okay, this is draggingon, you know, the whole argument and

(38:27):
you know, Hey dad, and he's doingthe voices for his dad, his mom and
himself and these reenacting this.
Maybe this abuse thattook place in his home.
We're not too, too sure if it's becauseof meals did that really happen?
But the point is, it's I foundthe delivery a little bit.
If I was actually watching this inthe library, like I think this guy's
off his meds, like it was a littlebit, I don't know, I think it would

(38:49):
have been better delivered had itbeen a toned down recollection, not a.
Over the top animated like I'm talkingabout something serious and violent,
but I'm being so kind of silly about itthat it I don't know I think it would
have been a better direction would havebeen to tell the story But to keep it
like you had this did like I don't know.
Anyways, I found that partoff putting for some reason.

Katie (39:11):
interesting.
I mean, I can see your point.
I think at that point in the movie, we'restill easing into the these characters.
And I think it was purposeful thathe was so animated, because that's
what made the, because they showedeverybody else's reaction to it.
And they're like, holy shit.
You know, and then Claire tellsAndrew, you shouldn't have said that.

(39:31):
And he's like, how did I, howwas I supposed to know this
guy was so, you know, and themeds, I mean, he probably was
needed medication and
was never.
Yeah.

And so let's say we'll get mad at me because I know
I always say things that are usuallynot what everyone thinks, but I

Katie (39:46):
No, that's the whole point.
Right.

just how I felt.
I'm not trying to cater tothe audience, but however.
That's a, that's probably my onlycriticism really, is I felt he was,
like I said, I enjoyed him the least.
Doesn't mean I didn't enjoy him at all.
That's why I worded, I enjoyed if I wasto rank the performances objectively,
he had a lot of the film to carry.

(40:09):
And when I read the other casting choicesmy brain went to, Ooh, the Alternate
Universe with oh, I kind of think I wouldlike to have seen John in that role more.
And then I couldn't get it out of it.
I couldn't get out of

Katie (40:17):
Hmm.
That's interesting.
Okay.
All right.

nobody else I would want to recast.
I think everyone else is perfectly cast.
I'm gonna get hate for that I knowJudd was beloved with that character I
understand he had the iconic moment atthe end that was improv all that stuff.
I get it.
It's fantastic.
But yeah,

Katie (40:35):
We will talk more about some of the casting what ifs a little
bit later, but just tofinalize the main cast here.
So Molly Ringwald as Claire Standish.
I didn't know she had a last
name.
I don't think it's ever said, but
Claire Standish and Allie Sheedy playingAlison Reynolds and then Anthony Michael

(40:58):
Hall playing the nerd Brian Johnson.
Now, those are our 5 students.
All 5 students were members of the Brat
Pack

Yay

Katie (41:11):
apparently, you hear about this, you guys, right?
The Brat Pack.
What is it?
Where did it come from?
Technically an appearance in eitherthe Breakfast Club and or St.
Elmo's Fire is often consideredthe prerequisites for being
a core Brat Pack member.

(41:31):
And there was an article writtenum, David Bloom's New York
story identified Emilio Estevez.
As the unofficialpresident of the Brat Pack
because there was a, that he metup with him and they were telling
stories or something like that.
The article was written.

(41:51):
Originally, it was just going tobe about Emilio and then they got
started talking and I think maybe heJudd came and they got to talking.
And so David Bloom decided to changethe content of his story about
these, these young Hollywood actors.
So, yeah, I know you like
Emilio, don't you?
Young Guns?

yeah, yeah.
Okay.
I mean, I I, didn't want to step on you.
This is your show.
I could do a whole, I love, Imean, I am like a young guns nerd.
There's almost as muchas I am a Rocky nerd.
I kid you not.
I could talk about, I even contemplate,I talked about doing a Western podcast.
I know I'm still, it's like that.
It's like every director orcreator has that opus they want
to do, but they haven't tackled itbecause I love young guns so much.

(42:33):
I want to talk about it.
If that makes sense.
I even
considered.
I might just tackle the Young Guns filmsa la the way I've done the Rocky films.
I don't, I don't knowif I want to rush it.
I might want to do a scene by scenediscussion of those films, like
an actual breakdown instead ofjust saying, that's a good film.
That's how much I love those films.
I might just do a Young Guns oneand a Young Guns two, two season
podcast on the Young Guns franchise.

Katie (42:56):
Do

love it
that much.
Yeah.
And I could do other Western films,but there's like, I love the Western
genre, but there's so many, youcould do that podcast for 10 years.
So I might think, Oh, should Ijust hyper focus it on the films?
I just, you know, five films maybe that Ireally like and make it five seasons long.
So young guns, one and two unforgivingtombstone just off the top of my head.
Something like that.
Like just.

(43:17):
The, the big, the, the five opus orwith the Mount Rushmore films in my
books that are Westerns anyways, thepoint is, yes, so I'm a young guns nerd.
And because that I have this greataffinity and love for Emilio, and
I know you could argue again, theEmilio's young guns films are like his.
In many people's books, those werehis Rocky films and that this is his
peak character and performance, which,which they are, but it was interesting

(43:38):
watching the breakfast club, which cameout two years before young guns, one,
two to three years before seeing someof his mannerisms and the way he wasn't
talking that he really accentuatedin those films is Billy the kid.
So it's kind of cool to see this.
Take off the the cowboygear and all this stuff.
And of course it's just the wayEmilio annunciates his word and talks.
He's got a really great delivery style.

(43:59):
I really liked the way he talks.
I just liked the way he annunciateswords and his eyes and the
intensity that he can have.
And yeah, he's, I just like him.
I think he's great.
And yeah, I know he's kindof quiet in Hollywood.
He directs more now than ever, but I've
always
enjoyed him.

Katie (44:12):
I like it.
I like a quiet
Hollywood.
I mean, just
stay out of trouble Yeah.
I like

though.
As far as I know, he stays out of trouble.
He's, I think he dated.
Yeah, he dated to me more for a bit.
That's right.
I believe that was true.

Katie (44:23):
And Paula Abdul.

Yeah, that's right.
That was a longer one.
Actually.
It
was with her for a while.
Yeah, he's a great guy.
He seems like he seems like a great guy.
I haven't heard anythingscandalous or crazy about him.
Just a normal human, which I like.

Katie (44:36):
I do, too, which is interesting because his brother is the exact opposite.
Um,

There might be someone who his brother is Martin, sorry Charlie
Sheen and their dad is Martin Sheen.
So

Katie (44:49):
Amelia looks so much
like a young Martin.
Mm hmm.

Yeah, More than charlie.
Uh, and I will say this too.
Did you hear about the actorwho played the janitor?
The story there?

Katie (45:01):
Carl the Janitor, played by John Capellos.
Is it capelos or
capelos?
Anyway, go on.

Well, they were on the set and I forget the exact comma, but
he made an offhand, a comic to the kids.
Like he's an older actor, you know,he's, he's talking to these younger kids
actors and he's Hey guys, make sure youdon't get too wrapped up in your roles.
Don't get too emotionallyinvolved in your roles.
Maybe he was seeing Judd.
So maybe he's talking tothem as a group or something.
Cause

Katie (45:26):
Mm hmm.

getting too wrapped up.
He goes, cause you don't want to be likeMartin Sheen, like on apocalypse now.
And he didn't know that Emilio.
He was the son of Martin andEmilio freaked out at him.
So that's my dad and he felt horribleand he, and Emilio never forgave him
on the set or anything like that.
Cause he, you know, of course he'sonly 22, he's very protective of

(45:48):
his dad, icon, icon on screen.
And.
The same actor who played the janitormet Martin later, I think it was on
the West Wing, I think during that

Katie (45:56):
Yeah.

And he said I had this weird encounter with your son.
I know it's kind of funny.
And Martin just laughed it off.
He said, you've been
holding on to

Katie (46:04):
Martin thought it was funny.
Class act.
I

Class.
Yeah.
He was like, Oh, this is my son.
This is Emilio being all hotheaded.
You're fine.
You're fine.
But yeah.
So, but the poor guy carried that forever

Katie (46:13):
I know.
I read that and I thought,well, isn't that odd though,
because they look so similar.
I mean, I guess the names
are different, so maybe he

no internet back then
and that's why he changed his name.
I think Emilio Emilio did change hisname to to keep, I think, I think
there's, I don't know the exact reasons.
I think it was his

Katie (46:31):
Well, Martin Sheen, Sheen is a
stage name and then Charlie just took his
dad's Stage name, but Estevez isthe family, is actually the family,
name.

sounds
great to Emilio Estevez.

Katie (46:42):
It does.
It does.
I like, it.

I have nothing bad to say about Emilio.
I never will.
You won't get it out of me.
I loved his performance.
I thought he was great.
I mean, I was just jealousthat Judd got more lines.
I was like, come on, give more to Emilio.
But he did a great job.
I loved it.
Yeah.
Except for the one scene that even JohnHughes says he wishes he could take out,
you know, that scene I'm talking about.

Katie (47:00):
where the glass breaks when
he yells that dance, that,that dance sequence, there was,
there was some oddities and the
dance, like,
when

can do it.
I chalk
it up to.
The glass.
The glass didn't break.
I just chalk it up too.
It's in his imagination.
That's how, that's what I,yeah, it was 'cause he was high.
So the, the glass breaks forthe audience, but it's the
point of view of the character.
That's how I work around that.

Katie (47:23):
Okay.
That's good.
I
like it.
That's a good way to

it's never talked about again.
There's no mess.
They were not walking on it.
It's never spoken up I think it's justin his mind He's dancing so incredibly
and he's yelling and dances so incrediblywell that the glass breaks, but it
doesn't break just in his mind Well,

Katie (47:41):
odd that they made him.
So amped up pot does notmake you amped up like that.
He was it was like, he was doing speed.
Okay.
Like an upper
instead of a downer.

don't know what's this pot lace with something.
We don't know.
We

Katie (47:54):
Well, why would he be the only one that got, anyway, I, at any
rate.

I love I know I love it when pot is miss I could be wrong.
I'm not a pot connoisseur,even though I'm legally allowed
to be if you can believe it.
Even in the Canadian military,we are allowed to have pots.

Katie (48:10):
Oh,
even military folks.

Yeah, we, it's the same rules of alcohol.
You just can't come to work high.
If you're,

Katie (48:15):
Oh, well, duh.
Yeah.
It's the
same.
Yeah.
that

yeah, but, uh, but it's legal in the books.
It's not legal in theAmerican military still.
So they actually had like pot designatedsmoking areas for the recruits.
So when you're on a break andyou're not working, it's a weekend,
you're allowed to smoke marijuana.

Katie (48:31):
I mean, it's the
same.
I mean, you're, you're

the same as drinking.

Katie (48:34):
same as having a beer,
you know, when you're
not on duty or whatever.
Yeah.
So speaking of John Kapelos or Kapelos.
God, I wish I knew Ishould have looked it up.
Who knows how this is pronounced
at any rate.
He plays Carl, the janitor.
And he has over 200 credits.
So he's in a ton of stuff.
Some notable recent stuff.
Yeah.
He's, he is great.
The umbrella Academy TV seriesand the shape of water movie

(48:57):
is some more recent stuff.
And then we'll get into some roles that alot of these actors haven't have in common
together.
But did you know that he's Canadian?

no, I missed that.
Oh, wow.
Good for him.

Katie (49:11):
He's born in London, Ontario.
And last but not least, we havePaul Gleason who plays Richard
Vernon, the principal, which wewill get it or is he, what, what is
he?
We'll get to that in a second, butyou all probably know Paul Gleason
most probably from this, but hewas also in trading spaces and
Arthur.

(49:31):
And then he reprised hisrole as Vernon in 2001.
Not another teen movie.

No, not really.
That's what he reprises roll.
That's

Katie (49:44):
Molly Ringwald was in it too, I believe.

That was 24 years ago.
What is going on?
They could make another, not another,not another teen movie at this point.
Like it's

Katie (49:55):
The 2000s version of a teen
'movie.

85 to 2000 one's only 16 years.
Am I getting my math right?

Katie (50:03):
huh.

there's more time has passed between that.
We're making fun of teen moviesfrom the 80s like eight years
more has passed since that movie

Katie (50:12):
Mm hmm.

Where do you ever get weirded out by that kind of thing?

Katie (50:16):
I do.
We talked about it the other dayon the Rocky show to me, 2005 is
like yesterday, but that's 20 years
ago.

Here's another one that I love.
Think of a cover song thatyou enjoyed in your youth.
Like for example, I'lljust pick an easy one.
Aerosmith covered Come Together in87 on their permanent vacation album.
They covered the Beatles.
So when I was listening to that when Iwas 12, 13 years old, I'm listening, yeah,
the Beatles, that old band, the Beatles.
And of course, Aerosmith iscurrent rock and roll band.
You know, they're covering the Beatles.
How cool of them to cover the Beatles.

(50:45):
Yeah, that's such an oldsong for them to cover.
It sounds old.
It's an old song.
Now more time has passed by far sincethe cover of the beat like From now to
when that album cameout almost 40 years ago.
You
know, you don't know i'mgetting that like it's like the
covers of songs that were Covers of oldsongs back when we were young are now
twice as old The covers are twice as oldnow as when they were covering the song.

(51:08):
I I can't I can't

Katie (51:10):
I think that the advent of the internet was such a line in
the sand,

I think so.

Katie (51:16):
you know,
because so much did change from the
60s to the 80s.
20 years.

was, it was like 50 years, the sixties, the seventies
we could, we talked about it, but itbears repeating, especially on a show
called the retro main, meaning youcan't do it like in 40 years, they're
not going to do a podcast on the 2010s

Katie (51:38):
No,

there's something identity
of the decades has

Katie (51:42):
about it.

The fifties, sixties, seventies and eighties and even nineties,
there's something special about thosefour to five decade run where every
decade had an identity of music,TV, film, cartoons, books, clothes.

Katie (51:56):
hundred percent.
The latter half of the 20thcentury was wild in so many ways.

And then now it's like, if I wore an outfit in 2025
and went back to 2001, wearingthe same outfit, be like, Oh, hi.
But where'd you get thosefutures to close but if I wore
bell bottoms it
But if I wore bell bottoms in 89When they only wore them 10 years
previous people would be like, whatare you doing wearing about you?
Are you insane?

Katie (52:24):
Well, one of the, I will
say one thing
that's different about your analogyis that you're not attempting
to wear trendy clothes now,
like if you were to wearwhat is considered trendy
now you know, meaning bell
bottoms, Not everybody wore bell bottoms.
They were

everyone no I did I did when I was a kid I wore bell bottoms
It was a death like that was a symbolof the 70s was bell bottoms like in the

Katie (52:50):
I see.
Yeah.
Like just I'm picturing like this very 70s

Oh, i'm

Katie (52:54):
yeah, I see what you're

hippie stuff This is the common kid wore bell bottoms to
school like the bell bottoms was thepants you wore you were if I wore
bell bottoms in fifth or sixth grade,I would be laughed out of school.

Katie (53:08):
You're right.
It's interesting that you say that becausefor women your jeans again, unless you're
trying to be trendy and, you know, 15years ago, you started wearing skinny
skinny jeans or

Oh my

Katie (53:19):
but for women, the jeans really do still.
Change trend wise, skinny flare,big pants, you know, there's
different ones that you it's,
I think it's morepronounced now for women.

I just find

Katie (53:37):
it is interesting.

There's real identities.
And I just don't know what ourkids today are going to say.
Oh, you may remember back in the 2010s.

Katie (53:44):
Nope.
Not as defining.
It's not.
Yeah, I agree.
Retro made.
It is I adored the music in TheBreakfast Club and I noted several
instances where it really elevatedeither the emotion or what we were
supposed to get from it aside from
it just being fun.

The intro

Katie (54:05):
Yeah.

right away.
You're just like, Oh, here we go.
80 simple minds.
Yeah.

Katie (54:10):
Mm hmm.
So Keith Forsey was theguy who did the music.
He's an English pop musicianand record producer.
He produced for Billy Idoland Flashdances, What a
Feeling, songs for Beverly Hills Cops.
Ghostbusters and of course,that simple mind song.
Don't you forget about me?
It was originally offered tothem and they declined it.

Yeah.
It's

Katie (54:33):
Did you read about?
Yeah.
And then several other people,Brian Ferry, Billy Idol, several
other artists passed the song andthen simple minds reconsidered.
And I would, I would bet quite a bitof money that they're really glad
they reconsidered becauseit is no it's known it's the
breakfast club song.

Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
They're they're happycashing those checks.
you worry.
They're fine about the royalties from that

Katie (54:56):
don't you worry
about them?

In the
part at the
end there, you probably read that toowhere he's going The singer was like i'm
sick of the song and so he didn't wantto sing lyrics or anything So he just
made that he he tried to sabotage thesong by lala and at the end And it turns
out

Katie (55:14):
cared so little about it that he was just like, la, la, la, la, la,

Yeah,
but it turns out it's likethat's the favorite part of the
song for people is the outro

Katie (55:22):
I kind of thought maybe it had won more awards.
The only award that it won was the MTVmovie and TV awards and not until 2005.
So that would have, what was that?
20 years later
20 years later.
So silver bucket of excellence award.
Did you know that the breakfast cluband Rocky have something in common?

Why did

Katie (55:46):
Do you know where I'm going with
this rain

Can you give me a hint?
Can I can I get a

Katie (55:50):
budget?
It gives it
away the budget of the
movie,

I know what the budget is you're right this
crazy little budgets insane

Katie (55:58):
a million dollars.

Which is
even crazier, because in theory,Rocky had a bigger budget.

Katie (56:05):
wasn't it about a million?
wasn't it even less than?
Oh, because it was, in 1970.
Yeah, in the 70s.
You're right.
You're right.
But

had a lower budget, in

Katie (56:15):
lower budget.
It does make sense though,because there's only 7 characters.
If you
don't count the parents andstuff, it's all in 1 place.
They're basically, it's just dialogue.
There's not like special effects or,
you know,

I'm sure it's been done so I I'm saying something I'm sure
you're like, of course Ryan this hasbeen done But this is I'm sure this has
been done school college plays dramaclass This must have been revamped
for because this is a stage play.
This whole thing's a

Katie (56:41):
he wrote it as a
state.
Yeah, you're right.

Oh He did he wrote it as well.
He wrote it that way.
Okay,

Katie (56:46):
yeah.
Mm-hmm He thought itwould be easier for them.
And these were like youknow, there's no big names.
At the time, they were up and comingactors, so they didn't have to pay
them that much too.

Sure.
Yeah.
Well, she was only 16 Molly herself.
And so
was Anthony.
Oh, I want to say about Anthony.
I want to say about Anthony, Michael Hall.
He, I forgot he, he really did givea surprisingly great performance.
You know, sometimes when you playthe nerdy kid or whatever, I'm
the comedy, like he's the comedyrelief sort of speak character.
He did a great job as the As the nerd,sure, someone who's trying very hard and

(57:18):
it feels like he doesn't belong there,whatever, but then when he exposed
himself in that round circle at theend about his own pressures, he goes,
Well, you don't think I have pressure?
You don't think I have?
I love that.
And his crying was a little bitoff the mark, but that's fine.
He's a young actor, but

Katie (57:30):
Yeah, that kind of got to me a little bit.
I was like,
oh, that.
But aside from that, I
agree with you.

but you know, you could argue to teenage boys are terrible criers.
We're really bad at it.
So if you want to get down to, he,he acted the part, meaning like
no teenage boy cries properly.
So it was actually semi accurateof somebody who's awkward and
weird about crying and he did a great job.
And Stanley Kubrick, of course, noticedhis, I should say, of course, but

(57:56):
Stanley Kubrick noticed and appreciatedAnthony's acting in this film.
And I feel the same way.
It was actually a very strong performance,probably the strongest of the cast.
I think Anthony's performance really.
And Stanley Kubrick wanted toget him for full metal jacket.

Katie (58:11):
That's right.

Anthony and Michael turned it down, even after some negotiations.
I don't know what his reasons were,but boy Matthew Modine played the
character that he turned down inthat film and he did a great job.
I Matthew did, but boy, I wonderif Anthony Michael Hall at any
point goes, Oh, shoot, I couldhave been a full metal jacket.
So I don't

Katie (58:31):
Well, I, he probably did later because there was a point and this, this
gets into the discussion about both heand Molly Ringwald after a certain point.
So they did a number of these
teen movies for John Hughes and Johnconsidered those 2 specifically as his
muses and I think he, he definitelywanted Molly and some kind of wonderful.
And Anthony Michael Hallfor maybe that movie too.

(58:53):
I can't remember and they werelike, we don't want to keep doing
the same thing

Yeah

Katie (58:57):
and, you know, he took it really personally.

Okay, that's the other john.
That's the john the john story again.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Yeah, go ahead please

Katie (59:04):
No, you're right.
you're
absolutely right.
He, you know,
you can't really blame them.
You wouldn't want to keepdoing the same thing.
Where I was going with thatis that at that time, Anthony
Michael Hall probably was kicking
himself because he couldhave gotten out of that,
you know, teen movie

that's why he didn't take it I wonder if that's one of the reasons
maybe he still felt he had a foot inone door because once he goes through
That door of a full metal jacket film.
He's not going back to what he

Katie (59:30):
True.
You're right.
Yeah,

I also heard it could have been a time thing too with Stanley
if you sat sign on for stout you're donefor a Year to a year and a half almost
two years like you're you're on his

Katie (59:43):
Oh, that's, that's a big
commitment for a teenager, you know.
Yeah, now that folks is a prettysignificant contributing factor
to why John Hughes transitionedfrom making these teen movies to
more family friendly kid movies.
Did you

(01:00:03):
know that He lost his muse?
He was really upset by that

Ryan Rebalkin (01:00:07):
really

Katie (01:00:10):
Molly

pharaoh he wanted his own me a pharaoh is what it was

Katie (01:00:13):
I guess I guess
Well,

there was a I wonder if there was some sort of crush factor
like let's be honest I wonder and Idon't mean anything inappropriate or
untowards But there's got to be somesort of because that's what I think
I'm speaking on a turn here I thinkit wasn't be a feral muse to woody.
It wasn't the whole

Katie (01:00:28):
I think so.
You had mentioned ages, I didfind the ages really interesting.
So you're right.
Molly.
Was almost 17.
She like turned 17 while theywere filming and Anthony was 16
and they, I guess, started dating
a little bit after filming this.

they
Anthony and Molly?

Katie (01:00:49):
I mean, cause they were both actual, they were the only
actual teenagers in
the movie, Emilio and
Allie were both 23.

23.
Okay.
Yeah.

Katie (01:01:00):
Judd was 25.
Now get this.
I would, okay.
On
that topic, you have a 25year old and a 16 year old.
He literally Judd next to Anthony.
He looked like he could be his
dad.
There's so much maturitydifference between a 25 year
old man and Judd was like a
man, you know, like not some

John.
He's always had a baby face for years.
He might've been a better

Katie (01:01:25):
Yeah, you're right.

going to

Katie (01:01:27):
He does have a baby face.
So John Kapelos, who played Carl thejanitor, even though he's balding, he
was only 3 years older than Judd Nelson.
He was
28.

He was 28.

Katie (01:01:40):
Yes.
Meaning he's closer in age, he'scloser in age to like Emilio
and Judd and Ali than John.
Then, then,
the 5 characters playing teenagers.
Yeah,

his poor heart, bless his balding heart.
I

Katie (01:01:55):
it's unfortunate.
I mean, he does look youthful.
Like, when they show his
face he, he's kind of a handsome man.
If he had

Oh yeah, he was fine.
Now was he actually the biological fatherof Anthony and Michael Hall's character?
I got confused.
Was that his, or was it his stepdad?
I'm so

Katie (01:02:11):
they're not related at
all.
We'll,

Oh.

Katie (01:02:14):
we'll get to that.
They're

stupid?
Why am I dumb?

Katie (01:02:17):
because he says he know, they know each other.
He's like, oh, hey when, when Carlcomes in and he's like, oh, hey, Brian,
he's like, does your dad work here?
Meaning what we maybe got from thatis, oh, your dad maybe works here.
And that's how, youknow, him your dad might
be a teacher here.

I just, the way I watched it, I just, my brain just
went, Oh, you're, that's your dad.
He works here and I'll see you later.
Type talk.
And I got confused by all that.
I'm sorry.
Okay.

Katie (01:02:44):
No, but, but you're probably not alone.
, there was a cut scene about whyBrian is in detention was the flare
gun that went off in his locker

Yeah.

Katie (01:02:57):
There was a cut scene where Carl was involved in cleaning it
up or, or like he, he knew about likethat, that's how they know each other.
Is because of the, the flaregun in the locker thing,

yeah.

Katie (01:03:11):
but that scene was cut.
So
these,

Fair enough.
Fair enough.

Katie (01:03:15):
the 5, the, the 5 teenagers in this movie in 1985,
this movie comes out in 1985.
In February, 40 years ago, they allplay high school students literally
6 months later in August of 1985.
St.
Elmo's
fire comes out and they're allin that too, or not all of them.

(01:03:37):
I should say Emilio Estevez, Judd Nelson
and Alice Sheedy and all of them,
but yeah.
So they're in their twenties.
Yeah.
Cause they play college graduateslike right out of college in St.
Elmo's fire.
And interestingly enough, JohnHughes recommended all three of them,
including Judd Nelson for their roles.

(01:03:58):
So I don't know if he did that before,

hmm,

Katie (01:04:01):
you know, he had a bad time with Judd.

Yeah, good point, yeah, I don't know

Katie (01:04:07):
Okay.
Bouncing back to thebudget million dollars.
How much do you think this made worldwide?

Well, actually I saw them.
Well, I saw the 1 million, butI didn't put that to memory did
what it made But I think it mayhave well, maybe I'm cheating.
I think it was like 85million or something like that

Katie (01:04:24):
55.
5.
So that's a pretty decent return,
eh?

It's amazing return that's amazing I'd give a
million dollars for 55 in return.
Oh, yes.

Katie (01:04:37):
100%.
Yep.
Yeah.
Did you ever get detention in school?
Did
you?

Oh, yeah, I was here's the here.
Yes.
I got the tension, but I was thethat's what I mean so right, but
you said you were You know, youtry to be, I was a class clown.
That's what I got attention for,for, for disturbing the class.
It was never for beat anyone upor stealing or starting fires.
I always liked to make the students laugh.
So I tell jokes, I would tell jokes thatmaybe weren't very politically correct

(01:05:09):
even then, but I'd liked a good laugh.
I loved making my classmates laugh.
And so.
Or I just like talking to my neighbor.
I don't have ADHD, but I get bored.
I know it sounds maybedifferent, but it's different.
Like I get bored.
And so I'm, I'm listening to theteacher talk, blather on for eight
hours, eight hours a day, Katie.
And so I'm just like, Oh my gosh, I'm

Katie (01:05:28):
Maybe you were just too advanced for your classes.
you know, that's what they say.
A lot of kids who get in troublefor stuff like that, it's like
they're not being challenged

I, I, I'm not saying I'm smart, but I never felt like, yeah,
I never felt challengedin the sense of yeah.
Like I was just like,I'll study this later.
I never did homework, butI still got good grades.
So I was just that kind of I justto have, I like to have fun though.
Like I just, I enjoyed the humaninteraction of the world and of my
friends, but so I tell jokes andthings like that, but it wasn't
like every day, all day, likeI wasn't like a moron about it.

(01:05:57):
Like I was, I was self aware that Iknew I couldn't keep doing this, but
every now and then a joke was too goodenough to say something like, I was
saying, that's what she said, jokesbefore, you know, you know, Before the

Katie (01:06:06):
Michael.

Yeah,
like I was doing that kind of humorthat even back this thick very
it's very like innocent But enoughlike guys I mean I I had a joke.
I'll tell you off air that I can't useI'll tell you afterwards remind me.
Um that that comes to mind becauseit was the first day of grade
nine social studies It was mr.
Shepherd's class and he had alreadyhad me for grade eight socials.
So he already knew me and He I I wasfooling around or whatever talking

(01:06:30):
he goes You I'll never forget.
Congratulations, Ryan.
You're the first student I'veever sent to the principal's
office on the first day of school.
And I'm like, yes, Iclapped as I walked out.

Katie (01:06:43):
Now, was your when was
your detention?
Was it on a Saturday?
Yeah.

the other thing I want to talk about.
It was after school.
And cause I love how this teacherin the, yeah, in the movies, I'm
going to give you next Saturday.
I'm going to, you're going tospend Saturdays and I'm like, dude,
you're just torturing yourself.
Don't you want a weekend?
I love how the teacher is bored orthe principal, whatever he's like,
he's bored out of his mind too.
They you're actuallyjust torturing yourself.
Like you're actuallypunting like that's what
go ahead.

Katie (01:07:09):
there's an assumption that there'd be there is detention
every Saturday anyway some,
if it's not vendor, it'ssomeone else in there

Well, no, it's open.
It's available Yeah, I guessthey can have rotating like

Katie (01:07:20):
I assume that in a real school,
they would rotate

Well, that's what they did for me I knew this I got
a different teacher every time soI'd have but hey, welcome back.
Mr.
Rebel can as I would go to Detention doesroute I'll never forget was room 116 in my

Katie (01:07:35):
my God,
that's
wild.

So, and I, then, then Katie, I was the only kid that
ever got kicked out of detention.
I was driving the teachers so crazywith my talking and humor and jokes,
talking to the other kids in detention.
She says, I can't deal with you.
Just go home.
So I got kicked out of detention.

Katie (01:07:58):
They didn't just give you more
detentions like

No, they just

Katie (01:08:01):
I got you for the natural born life.

it wasn't like they didn't, they didn't stack.
It was always one, it was alwaysone punishment, one detention.
It was kind of like, so I would haveto go to detention after school.
And yeah, it was like, and my, my friendwho I'm still best friends with now,
I run that channel with he would come,he would come up to me after school.
This is how bad it got.
He was, am I walking home with you today?

Katie (01:08:23):
do you
have to stay?

I mean, do you have to say it with attention?
Cause he wasn't,
I busted me.
He wasn't going to wait for me.
This is like a half hour, 45minutes or whatever extra.
So I would just sit in class.
I would just do my homework orwrite in my notebook or draw
characters and comics or read a book.
And I didn't care

Katie (01:08:40):
Ours was also after school.
So a couple of things with that.
One.
Is the real punishment wouldbe, you couldn't get detention
because it's after school.
And then that would make youlate for whatever sport practice.
Because at our school sportpractice was immediate.
Immediately following,

I got in trouble for that.
My, I was more disappointed.
I disappointed my coach.
I played rugby.
So that did happen whereI'd come late to rugby.
There's still be going on,

Katie (01:09:05):
then you'd have, you'd get punishment probably at
rugby practice, too.
Do you have
to
run extra or something?

No, it's just, I was one of the better players.
We didn't have a great team,but I was a pretty, I was
always a pretty big teenager.
So it was kind of like,I just showed up late.
My rugby coach Mr Mr cheffield, rest in peace.
He was a sweetheart of a guy.
Anyways, he would justroll his eyes at me.
He

Katie (01:09:27):
Oh, we would get punished more.
You'd have to
run more extra lines or laps or whatever.
But then and and B.
You like that?
One

one in one then be yeah

Katie (01:09:38):
I had never heard of Saturday detention.
Is this a
thing?
Please, anyone
out there
in the world.

the States I thought I was maybe a States thing cuz I'm

Katie (01:09:48):
It wasn't for, I mean, granted again, I went to a Catholic
school, but I really, I'm verycurious if Saturday detention exists
anywhere.
Please

again.
I feel like I feel I feel likeyou're punching the staff As well
and if the parents driving you toschool for both that really sucks.
I think it's

Katie (01:10:06):
And it was, it's a 9 hour day.
It's longer than a
school day.

that's that's the part.
I found insane.
I don't even know if that's legal

Katie (01:10:13):
It was like 7.
30 to
7.
00 to 4.
00.

breakfast to lunch.
I'm sorry breakfast to supper essentially.
Yeah

Katie (01:10:21):
yeah, I mean, growing up.
So this is 9, this came out in 1985,but I probably didn't see it until,
you know, however many yearsit took for it to come on TV
and we had a taped version.
So I grew up watching the made the
edited for TV versions.
So much so that when I finally saw thereal version, I was like, oh, he says

(01:10:44):
for example, the, the, there's someextra footage in the edited for TV
version there, because theyhad to cut so much else out.
There's some extrafootage in that version.
And then when I watch the real version,I'm like, wait, where's that scene
that's cut out for example, whenthey collect money to go get sodas.

(01:11:04):
And Brian thinks when a vendor reacheshis handout, he thinks he wants a slap,
like a high 5 or something and then heis embarrassed and he gets him money.
And there's a few other things like thatthat also when vendor says, fuck you.
After they have that whole I got you
for your natural born life 2 months.

(01:11:25):
The edited for TV version says filled you
and I grew up watching that version

filled you

Katie (01:11:33):
filled.

with what that's even

Katie (01:11:36):
I don't know.
I never I don't know.
This is what I'm saying.
I grew up.
So I, I, I, and there were so manythings that I didn't understand
because I wasn't a teenager.
I
was, I was like, a 7 year old watching
this

Yeah, that's

Katie (01:11:50):
and totally didn't understand.

I think i've only seen the theatrical but I never saw
some tv that I can remember I saidthat i'm sure I flipped through it,
but I think I've only fully watchedthis now three times my whole life.
It's not like it's a, saw it whenit first came out, saw it again
out of curiosity and then saw itfor the show, for this podcast.
Yeah.

Katie (01:12:07):
Oh, wow.
That I,
that's,

That's why it hit

Katie (01:12:11):
I don't know.
I'm
kind of surprised.

a, as a, as a fuller grown adult.
I haven't probably, that's what, Iprobably haven't seen this in 25 years.

Katie (01:12:19):
Really?
I watched this at least once
a year.
I think I've seen this movie 50 times at

Okay.
Well, I, I love it.
Let me be clear.
My one question about Judd.
That's what I mean.
That's why I have, I, I felt it jarringafter maybe 25 years not seeing the film.
Oh, I don't know how muchI like that performance.
That's all.
After 25 years of watching filmsand other performances, it struck me
objectively speaking, if I was a director,I might've told him to tone it down.
I might've approachedthat part differently.

(01:12:46):
That's all.

Katie (01:12:47):
Was there any particular characters arc that you related to most?

Oh, that's a good question.
hate when people say that'sa good question because
you're just trying to collect

Katie (01:12:58):
how they started the movie versus how they
ended, you know,

well, I know that I Because i've seen it before and I know
the storyline enough to know that yes,they'll kind of change their views There's
they'll understand each other better.
And I think what I found interestingand the most heartbreaking of
the film And might not really beanswering your question, but the
arc of all the characters that wasmentioned by them was like, Oh, I

(01:13:22):
will not ignore you in the hallways.
I will not, I promise you, I will not.
And we never see the outcome of thosepromises, but having gone through high
school and we do this, we promise somuch when we're young and we just,
we're so romantic about our promiseswhen we were young, I guarantee you,
they went back to normal, that they,They, they fell back into the tropes

(01:13:44):
again of survival in the hallways.
You know, they go back to theirtribe as they would say, and not
that they were mean to each other.
There might've been a passing glanceor a knowing nod in the hallway,
but how I'll never ignore you inthe hallway again and stuff Like,

Katie (01:13:59):
Well, they don't actually
say that.
What's

I swear, I swear these, I thought they said, I'll never ignore you.
Am I missing the shoot?
I'm

Katie (01:14:07):
so so in the circle, we establish that Claire and Andy.
Would both ignore and even vendor,they're like, you wouldn't ignore us.
She's like, yeah, I would, I wouldsay, hi, I would be nice to your face.
And as soon as you walked off, Iwould, you know, make fun of you.
So my friends didn't thinkI really liked you and then,

(01:14:29):
but they continue to develop.
The friendship over the time.
And so we make an
assumption.
Plus, then there's some
couple dumb, right?
There's 2 couples now.
Well, Anthony said, I would neverdo that to you me and Allison are
better people than you becauseI would never do that to you.
And Claire says, that'sbecause you look up to
us.

Oh, that's right.
My bad.
Okay.
I thought I was taking it as okay.
I misinterpreted the two

Katie (01:14:52):
No, it's just that the, the Allison doesn't have friends
and Brian's friends are, you know,they're not the popular kids.
And so, but then, you know, therest of the movie, we see them
become closer and better friends.
And so there's an assumption.
Especially considering that Claire and
Bender, Kit, you know, they, theyget together and so do Emilio, I

(01:15:17):
always do this, Andrew, and Allison.

I will.
Okay.
So what I'll say about the funnyenough, my least favorite transition.
Maybe that's a betteranswer to your question.
I apologize to our dear listeners.
I misunderstood the I'll neverignore you in the hallway topic.
I thought that was a future statement.
I got you.
I got.
Yeah, I remember.
I liked Ally Sheen's character better.
I didn't like her dress.
Her makeover was terrible.
I liked it

Katie (01:15:39):
Oh, you didn't think she looked beautiful?
she
really did

I Liked I would have dated the the other version better.
I think I was more attracted in a funnyway to the the bangs in her face now, I

Katie (01:15:54):
You couldn't see her face.

Well, it's the, no, it's, it's, it, this might've been the
film that started that trope, right.
Of the eighties.
know, yeah,
take off the glasses, do her hair.
Now she's pretty.
She's been there the whole time.
Emilia,

Katie (01:16:05):
it did start that, but yeah, really more of it.
And that's what Andrew says.
He's like, oh, I can see your
face now.
Like I didn't realize how

her face throughout the, but I saw the face throughout the movie.
I, I, she's there.
I, I kind of liked her look betterthan the, the, the, the, pretty, the
pretty, in pink look did nothing for me.
I don't know, but that's just funny.
No, I mean, I guess.
Um, I guess I'll go back to Anthony.
I just really liked that moment againin that circle when he broke down and
talked about how he feels pressure too.

(01:16:34):
I think that was a great arc that wesee, even though he's, he's succeeding
because, you know, we saw Judd's characterbig, Oh, you're, this is your family.
Oh, he's such a great kid.
He's such a great kid.
Don't we have a great kid?
Hugs and kisses the husband and wife.
And you know, he'scriticizing the stable home.
Ironically, that's a badthing, which I had argued.
It's not a bad thing.
But the kid is still says, no, Istill have pressure and undo pressure.

(01:16:55):
And then we get to the whole suicidetalk, which is like, Whoa, this is
none of these guys that you, noneof these other characters talked
about never taking their own life.
But here we have the oneperson that everyone thinks,
Oh, his home life is great.
All this stuff.
He's smart in class, but he hasso much pressure and expectations.
Ironically, though,they're good expectations.
He's feeling like he can't measure up thatif I don't succeed, I'm better off dead.

(01:17:16):
And that's obviously the wrong message,too, that he's getting from his parents.
So it's a fascinating study, really.

Katie (01:17:22):
is.
And again, the movie balances, like that's
heavy shit.
And then they balance it with the humor of
the flare gun,
and how

ironically that would kill you

Katie (01:17:34):
I wondered.

No, I'm telling you right now.
You
shoot a clerk.
Yes, and I
thought I get it.
It's a flare gun They should havesaid something like it was a pellet
gun or something like a potato gun orsomething like that That would have
been more humorous because you can'tkill yourself with a potato gun It would
sting and bleed and embed in your skin.
Sure, but it wouldn't

Katie (01:17:54):
don't even know what a potato gun is.
I've never even heard of that.

it shoots potato pellets.
Like a, like an air BB gun.
It shoots potato pellets.
this is

Katie (01:18:02):
pieces of potato.

you would actually buy it.
You'd actually get a potato, shove themuzzle of the handgun into the potato,
crunch it around, and then you shootthe potato pellet out of the gun.

Katie (01:18:13):
Never even heard of this.
That's
hilarious.

Anyways, so flare gun to the head.
Do not do that folks.
It will, if it doesn't kill you,it'll burn your face quite a bit.
It's going to, it's the damages.
I would, I would not recommend it,,

Katie (01:18:27):
so he got detention for that.

Weird, which is weird.
You should get mental health

Katie (01:18:31):
Exactly, but I think it was because it ended up like
damaging school property because itshowed his like burned out locker
and he got detention for

Sure.

Katie (01:18:39):
Andrews, I thought watching it now, like in.
Especially how he describes himtorturing this kid, this hairy kid
he, that's, like, straight up assault.
Wouldn't that land you in prisonand not detention, Andrew's reason
For, being in detention?

For, for what?
For the tied up the bum bum

Katie (01:19:00):
Mm hmm.
Yeah, because he said pieces of skin
came off with the

Yeah, I was a little yeah, sure.
Probably not as much as he was saying.
Cause he, this is like awaxy with duct tape, I guess.
But no jail.
No, I'll see what, what here's

Katie (01:19:13):
But that's, like, an assault, isn't

yeah.
So the you're right.
This is where our 2025glasses are looking at
85 behavior.
Hazing and sports was commonplace.
It was never criminal back then.
It is now.
And they've really,well, I say that, but I.
I don't want to speak out
of turn, but I
would dare say I thinkhazing still happens.
It still happens.
Hazing in sports, especially malesports, in all honesty, is a real thing.

(01:19:36):
There's many stories.
Go to Reddit, go anywhere.
It's a real thing.
And boys are brutal with each other.
So,

Katie (01:19:45):
Fair point.
Fair point.
Now, originally, there was supposedto be three girls and three boys.
So what stereotype do youfeel like was missing, or
is there one that you can
think of that you would

Great question.
I
kind of wish you, not, Iwish you asked me earlier.
Cause that's a great, again,that's a great question.
Let me, let me delay the answerby saying that's a great question.
Oh, that's a

Katie (01:20:06):
You know, so we've got, we've got the Jacques, the popular
girl,

What was, so what would be Anthony's girl, so to speak?
What would be the,
you could almost argue for him.
It
could be,

Katie (01:20:21):
Theater kid, maybe.

yeah.
But a theater kid anda nerd would get along.
It's kind of a

Katie (01:20:26):
No, I know, but they're different.
He's in the physics club, the
physics

Yeah.

Katie (01:20:31):
I'm just saying I'm trying to think too, what stereotype of
high school was not represented.
Yeah, I'm saying
Theater kid, you
guys out

kid's not bad.

Katie (01:20:43):
what stereotypes are we missing?
Because 3rd person
or a 3rd girl.
I mean,

you could have the one foreign student.
There you go, theforeign exchange student.

Katie (01:20:55):
speaking of 16
candles.
Yeah.
Yeah,

I don't know.
Yeah, interesting.
That's a good question.
Let us know folks.

Katie (01:21:03):
Yeah, okay.
Let's talk one liners.
Let's talk the epic dialogue.
What are
some things like I laughedout loud in a few places
or
just memorable lines?
What do you what do you recall?

you're gonna have to leave this one.
I don't, I don't have anymemory to be honest with you.
But go ahead and start and I'll,

Katie (01:21:23):
so, 1 of the things that I, because it was so 80s, because I can remember, but
face as an insult cracked me
up.
Mm

See, I knew you'd trigger my brain.
When he said, eat my shorts.

Katie (01:21:37):
hmm.

started with that?
I don't know if that was ever said before.
I wonder if that term on film mediawas said in a, because of course
that was attributed to who later on.

Katie (01:21:49):
Bart Simpson.
It so because I did researchfor the trivia questions for all
of the time capsule segments,

Okay.

Katie (01:21:57):
eat my shorts did become popularized in the mid 80s
as a
saying

so Bart though, but I would say if you were to ask me
before this movie rewatch, right?
Like I said, it's been a while.
Ryan, who popularizedthe term eat my shorts?
I would answer right away Bart Simpson.

Katie (01:22:15):
Sure as a character, but it was yeah,
like in you know,

okay, so what I'm saying is, this is a big film.
It's an iconic film through the decades.
So even before Simpsonscame out, I think it was 89.
That's what I'm getting at.
So I'm wondering, had this notbeen said in this film, would
Bart Simpson be saying, eat myshorts in the animation series?
I'm just curious what thecarryover would have been.

Katie (01:22:36):
good question.

yeah,

Katie (01:22:38):
That's that's a good question.
There are just so many memorable linesand 1 liners from this movie that
that 1 maybe didn't stand out as much,but I laughed out loud at butt face.
I laughed out loud at uh, Dickuh, rich, excuse me, rich will
milk be made available to us.
I love like that.
Brian saying he has agirlfriend that lives in

(01:23:01):
Canada

Yeah, I got, I

Katie (01:23:04):
Yeah, That's like a trope though, in like dorky American
kids trying to claim that they,you know, aren't a virgin.
They're like, Oh, I have a girlfriend.
She lives in Canada.

in Japan, Yeah.
The line when Andrew asks,what do you need a fake ID for?
And he says, so I can vote.
That was Anthony Michael Hall improv.
He ad libbed that, yeah.
That's a great ad lib, by the way.
Cause it
totally fits his character.
Shows that he's thinkinglike his character

Katie (01:23:31):
but it made him, it made him, 68 instead of

Yeah, I love that.
Sure.

Katie (01:23:38):
the hot beef injection.
I remember not understandingwhat that meant
as a kid.
I was like, what?
That's I don't get it.

It's a sandwich.

Katie (01:23:49):
this ain't no rest home.
Love that one.
And when they're talkingabout the virginity.
And Bender says to Brian, well,Brian, it doesn't sound like
you're doing any business.
Then when they're having lunch,we have to have a discussion
about the lunch Bender slaps.
Brian's hand out of the way when he'slike getting his stuff out of the bag and

(01:24:11):
like looking at, well, what are we having
for lunch today?
He slaps his hand when he is looking atthe apple juice and he says, I can read.
Without trigonometry, there'dbe no engineering without lamps.
There'd be no light.
I
like, these are again, half of those are,
are, bender.

It's the same.
Yeah, the lot like, yeah,a lot of the strong lines.
I thought it was good again.
My least favorite doesn't mean I enjoy.
Hey, he was great.
He was great for the record.
He was great, but it was just I foundmyself cringing a little bit more
than I thought I was going to some ofthe delivery of some of the scenes.
There you go.
That's probably better words.

Katie (01:24:50):
Vernon says in this that he makes 31, 000 a
year.

Oh, yes, I did the math on this.

Katie (01:25:00):
For America, like here, that's 92, about 92, 000.

Yeah, today's money.
Yeah.

Katie (01:25:07):
is he the principal or the vice principal, or is he a teacher?

It's a pretty good wage for a teacher.

Katie (01:25:16):
It is now.
I agree.
I agree.
I, I think, so I was reading,there's some controversy about this.
I had always thought he had to eitherbe the principal or the vice principal.
And then there's been some talk about.
That he's not that he's actually just ateacher and that there's some evidence
that points to that when he says I'vebeen teaching for 22 years that his

(01:25:39):
office is adjacent to the hallway.
He has a girly calendar on the wall.
Principals wouldn't spend theirSaturdays in detention class.
He would, you know,

So,

Katie (01:25:48):
the access to the confidential.
Huh?

staff.
There's also senior staff.
It's not like he could bea senior faculty member.
It's not like, it's like, like it'sjust teacher, vice principal, principal.
He could be any, he could be a schoolfaculty of some sort of member or
some sort of senior staff member.
The bosses of the teachers, let'ssay, or something like that.
So who knows?
I would say he's not, in this 22 yearsteaching, he's just saying this is how
long he's been in the business or howlong he taught before he got the job.

(01:26:13):
The the job, the so I'm saying I'm22 years in the military right now,
actually, I'm 20, but I've donedifferent jobs in the military.
I've done different things.
So he's just blanket statement.
I've been in the schoolsystem for 22 years.

Katie (01:26:25):
So there, there was some talk about him being a teacher,
but I am 100 percent convincedthat he had to be vice principal or
principal
1.
he has an office.
I don't think just regular teachers
have offices.

they usually make their classroom as their office
is where they teach is theyhave their desk and everything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Katie (01:26:45):
in charge of Saturday detention.
I don't know this to be true, but somesay in an American high school, the
vice principal is usually the school's
disciplinarian.
This would explain hisunpopularity with the students.
He has access to confidential
files, which is
something that only administration.
I
know.
So that was,
that was evidence both ways,but here's the kicker for me.

(01:27:08):
Andrew's offense whenthey're in the circle.
Andrew says Oh, yeah, somethingabout he got in trouble for it.
And then when they sentme to Vernon's office.
So they wouldn't send
you
to a

I'm all on board.
I think, I think this is not to me.
It's not even a question.
He's vice or principal,

Katie (01:27:27):
Okay.
I always assumed that too.

the scene,
that threw me off was when thejanitor was calling out for
going through confidential files.
So my question is if the principalor vice principal can't look
at these files, then who can?
Who can?
Why

Katie (01:27:44):
Or maybe it was

the school?

Katie (01:27:47):
maybe it was just, he shouldn't
be poking around in them.

no, It like, it doesn't make sense.
Like confidence just means,yes, it's a student's history.
It's their history.
It's their resume ofschooling and behavior.
So if the teacher, sorry, if theprincipal and or vice principal doesn't
have authorization, look who, who inthe school would, it wouldn't just be
the math teacher or the gym teacher.
The person that should have overallaccess to the student's history would

(01:28:16):
be the, especially the people that arethere to discipline them on the weekend.
I should know more about them.
I should know what I'm dealing with.
In fact, looking up, he wasdoing it for nefarious reasons.
But if I was there and I was in adisciplinary person, I would love to know.
In fact, when I taught basic training,we had access to their history,
like the students or the civiliansbefore they, they wrote a resume on

(01:28:38):
themselves and I would read them.
Whatever they wanted to share.
It was for us to read because I wanted toknow, I would treat people differently,
knowing some of their background,they lost a parent, let's say, or,
or they had a member in the military.
So you have all these differentbackgrounds of what are they bringing
to the table as a new recruit?
So I don't get why the janitor wascalling him out for looking at files.

(01:28:59):
When, if it's not him, then thatwould be the only argument that
he's just an average quote unquoteteacher that he shouldn't be
looking through confidential files,

Katie (01:29:06):
Well, I think I think there's a slight distinction I assumed because he
says, oh, Mr tyranny mental health issues.
So we think he waslooking at the teachers.
Okay.
Files because he said, oh, Mr.
T
was looking at Mr.

I think.
So at the student finals,

Katie (01:29:21):
It's a file cabinet, but he specifically says, oh, Mr.
Tierney history of mental illness.
And, but, you know, you could arguethat he refers to the students
as.

Oh, yeah.
Build all the time.
Mr.
Balkan.
I get that all the time when I was a kid.
Oh,

Katie (01:29:35):
So you could argue either way.
Hmm.

again, but again, if it's not him, who's allowed to, if it's not
the principal vice, maybe it's just theprincipal, maybe it's just the principal.
And then that's why the vice principal,but that doesn't mean if you're a vice,
you, you have, you have the same accessas the principal in their absence.

Katie (01:29:51):
I think Carl was just calling him out because he was up to no
good.

Yeah.
Well that's what it was.
I know, but you know, you know, I loveto get in the weeds of this stuff.
I love it because it'swritten for a reason.
That's why I do it.
'cause it's the author of the movie
wrote this and filmed it for a reason.
So I want to know why.
And if it doesn't make sense,why didn't you catch it?
We just didn't.
Five minutes.
How come you didn't, you, you hadto set the lighting, set the scene.

(01:30:16):
They had to rehearse their lines.
At no point did someonesay, I don't get it.
Why?
Why is this a problem thathe's looking at the files?

Katie (01:30:21):
Mm hmm.
I don't know.

It's weird.
All right.

Katie (01:30:26):
I do notice in especially back, back in the day you know, women virginity
was seen as this big virtue,particularly in the eighties.
But they are so obsessed with Claire's
virginity.
Like I,

Anthony Michael's are you
not ever are you so it's boy andgirl give him credit for that the the
Harangued these poor students who hadn'tyet had you haven't You haven't had
vaginal intercourse at the age of 15 yet?
What's wrong with you?
Whoa,
Easy!
Whoa, Nelly!

Katie (01:31:02):
there was several different instances, like three different
places in the movie where they'retalking about Claire's virginity.
And even one time when Benderwas really trying to fire her
up and, and he's like over the
bra under
the
sweater.
And she's like, are you, areyou trying to make me puke?
I thought that was really weird.

(01:31:23):
Why would that make you puke?
Like, why would you

because the idea, I think, no, I think
because she's disgusted by him.
And she's envisioninghim doing that to her.
Trying to make me puke?
I was like, you're going to do this to
me?
You're gross.
If it was Emilio's character,that might be a different story.
Uh So I, what I found, thisis what I find, I maybe it's a
side, but I was around this time.
I went through highschool, like I graded 93.
I will not confirm or denymy virginity at the 93.

(01:31:51):
But what I, no, I, I was religious.
But nobody made fun of me.
I was it was really talked about.
I don't remember people in the hallway.
Hey, hey, we got a virgin over hereLike it was it wasn't really some kids.
Yeah, they're kids getting together.
You knew about it.
Yeah, they've been dating for 10months They probably done things but
then if you weren't dating anyoneyou just assumed well that guy or
girl doesn't have a girlfriend orboyfriend I assume they're probably

(01:32:11):
not having sex with the family dog.
Like it's just

Katie (01:32:16):
Yeah.
I

We, but this is weird though.
People assume that everyonenot everyone's hooking up.
Like I graduated with 500 students.
Everyone was hooking up.
Some people just weren't having sex.
It wasn't like everyonehad a, had a partner.
You just mathematically,not everyone had a partner.

Katie (01:32:29):
No, it is a weird, like these teen movies really focused on it.
Plus 90 that's like, literally 10 yearslater maybe there was, you know, some,
but I think particularly for Claire,cause she's the, the, the pretty
popular one and, you know, and then,and then they're like, well, or, or
are you a tease and they're like,well, you're screwed either way.
Yeah.
Because you're either a prude

(01:32:50):
or a slut,

Well, that's probably like Allison.
She, these character was like, yeah, Ido everyone all the time, everywhere.
That's kind of almost whatare you gonna do about it?
If you just kind of own, even thoughshe didn't, but she just said it
to say, okay, fine, I'm a whore.
Next.
Like it's almost

Katie (01:33:05):
but
it doesn't matter.
The idea is

yeah.

Katie (01:33:08):
matter for her because she's a quote, unquote, nobody.
Nobody cares what
she I mean, that's,
you know, that's the
idea.
Claire is on this pedestal.

Yeah
Would he like her better?
Oh, yeah, I I had five guys with meyesterday Like I don't want to be crude,
but it's like what what would she saywhere he would have backed off and said?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I've been having sex since I was 12.
What's it to you?

Katie (01:33:27):
That was Allison's point.
You're screwed.
As a
woman in
that situation, you're screwed eitherway because you're a prude if you
haven't and you're a slut if you have.
Right?
I

or you

Katie (01:33:38):
sadly, that

I've just been waiting for you.
I just been waiting for you.
Thank you so much.
This is amazing.
Oh, you know,

Katie (01:33:45):
And even within the movie, there's even within the movie,
there's the double standard becauseit's assumed that men do it.
And then when she finds out thatBrian's a virgin, she's like, I think
it's okay for a guy to be a virgin.
Well, fuck it.
Of course.
I

I mean, look, so I think we're obviously,
you could lose your Virginia.
We'll obviously same sex relationships.
You lose your, you know, thatis losing your virginity.
But the point, you get what I'm saying?
The point is, is that, If I lostmy virginity at 14 Well, I probably
did it with someone did it with me.
So why is like who's that girl?
We got to track her down and get the isthis funny how old men aren't virgins

(01:34:22):
but old women are so who are the men?
the one girl

Katie (01:34:25):
I mean, here's the thing.
And back in the day, it's okay for you to.
Like a nice young man to, youknow, waste himself on like some
slutty girl that doesn't matter,but when he's going to marry
someone,
you know, then yeah.
Yeah.

That's right.
I got my practice in but i'll show youa thing or two on our wedding night.
Don't you

Katie (01:34:48):
Yeah.
It's just, It's gross.
it's gross.

I'll take care of you, honey.
I'll take care of you.
It's adorable

Katie (01:34:55):
okay.
Which one of the lunches?
I
love the lunch scene.
Which one?
You that would be yours,but in height now, but in
high school.

Oh, sorry.
In high school.
Yeah.
Okay.
For me, it was the peanut butterand jam sandwich with the juice box.
No juice box.
Are you kidding me?
That's spoil.
I don't think I was given a drink.
I think I was told to drinkfrom the fountain as a kid

Katie (01:35:18):
Mm hmm.

juice boxes.
I may, I shouldn't, I shouldn'tout my parents like that.
I don't know.
We weren't that well off, butdefinitely it was sandwiches, an apple.
Orange homemade granola bar.
Yeah,

Katie (01:35:32):
What a what a nutritious.
So you really were Brian
Johnson What did allthe food groups are rep?
He

Yeah, they

Katie (01:35:39):
all all the food
groups are represented.

me Yeah, he would have made fun of my lunch, even though he
would have liked to have had it at the

Katie (01:35:44):
Mm hmm.
That's awesome the the Captain Crunch in
Allison's sandwich was her
Adlib, because she thought it would,
you know, the crunch sound would be good.
Yeah,

Yeah, I love Captain Crunch it chews up your mouth But boy
as a kid that was like the CaptainCrunch Cheryl as a kid was like gold.

Katie (01:36:07):
well, she put, I mean, that sandwich, which you
have.
I mean, it probably wouldn't be that
bad
pixie sticks picks, but there'sprobably Mayo or something because
on the, because she

No, I think it was just bread.
And was it just, it was notjust, it looked like it was

Katie (01:36:22):
Oh, was it okay pixie

to me, I was like, Oh, that is a dry bite of food.
It's just there's no liquid.

Katie (01:36:29):
sticks or sugar sticks and Captain Crunch
between bread.

No, thanks.

Katie (01:36:33):
okay.
What would you do for a million dollars?
In the, in this circle, they ask.
That's what
started the circle conversation is,what would you do for a million dollars?
Would you show up to
school naked?
Like things like that.

No.
Yeah.
Everyone has a number.
I know it's funny.
It's the naked thing is always a thing.
Like I am, you ever watch it's not true,but you ever watch Arrested Development.

Katie (01:36:55):
Not regularly, but yeah.

there was a character who, he was never nude.
That was his character.
He just, he was never nude,
like even like at home at the shower,he's wearing shorts and he has a
never nude policy, but I'm not likethat, but it always makes me laugh.
So.
Streaking I know I wasnever interested in that.
So I don't know what I woulddo for a million dollars boy

Katie (01:37:15):
What's funny is I don't think I would have, I mean a million, maybe
I would for a million dollars, but.
In high school, you care so muchabout what people think about you
and those 4 years, but I willsay I would now 100 percent
like, be in public nude for a
million dollars.
I would.

so what do you mean by new like what do you do
I not mean anything crass but
like what are you walking
Are you how long are we talking about for

Katie (01:37:41):
a good question and parameters, but I would walk outside of my
house and maybe walk up and down my
sidewalk.

Your hair has to be behind your back though.
You have very long hair.
You can't pull the mermaid the Little

Katie (01:37:51):
Yeah, I would.
Yeah, I would.
Yeah, because yeah, actually,
my hair would cover like, in
splash my hair would

Yeah, it's flash.
That's right.
Yeah.
So you'd have to put the hair back.
This is not PG.
This is a R rated nudity.
Okay.

Katie (01:38:04):
So
you wouldn't walk

I don't, I, I'm, I'm a baby.
Even if you offer me abillion, I'd be tough.
I'm scared.
I'm scared to rock on
nude.
I don't know.

Katie (01:38:12):
dollars.
Yes, you
would.

Maybe that's why I don't know a million.
I don't think a million, I think it'dhave to go higher than a million.
I don't know.
So I don't know.
I'm so, I'm so boring.
I, I know this is a fun game and I'm nottrying to tap out of the game because
it is just a game I could easily, sure.
I'll do it for a million justto end the game, but I'm such a,
I'm so, I'm so easily embarrassedwith that kind of stuff.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
I think I would I think I might slashthe neighborhood tires for a million

(01:38:36):
bucks instead or something like that.
Maybe a little bit more of the criminalside of behavior than embarrassing
myself, if that makes sense.

Katie (01:38:43):
I have a feeling all of the European listeners
are like bashing their heads againstsomething because it's, it's, as I
understand it even when I would go totravel, like you can like baths, even
here, there's like nude, you know, you goto like a, a hot, hot springs or whatever.
And, you know, or actually I havedone topless on a beach in Mexico

(01:39:05):
for no
money, but again, it was, but but, Iwasn't the only one, you know what I mean?

Well, yeah, I guess for men that always have,
I'm speaking as a guy, that's allI have is that thing down there.
That's it.
Like meaning Cause you know,if you have small breasts, big
breasts, men usually don't care.
Like we're not, Oh, those are small.
Those are, Hey, the breasts.
We don't really care.
Small versus big, but for men, yeah,for the record, it's 10 inches.

Katie (01:39:28):
You're like,
no,
I'm don't let's, let'sdo, let's do you think

no, but the point is for a guy that's all, that's all.
Once that's exposed, it's like, that's it.

Katie (01:39:38):
That's valid.
, so do you think they goback what happens on Monday?
There's couples.
What happens particularly
Do they is this just a 1time just a 1 off experience.
This is a one

think that's, that's, why we don't see it.
I think that's why we don't see it becauseI think it'd be too hard for us to see.
I think the audience wouldbe too sad to see that.
Oh, it's just because that's teenage life.
I think that's when we go becausethere was talk about reinvestigating
the characters every 10 years type

Katie (01:40:05):
Mm hmm.

see how they've advanced or whatever and that'd be an interesting
case study But I think as far as highschool goes on the monday following That's
what there'd be the cursory nod to thefollowing monday barely a nod Two months
down the road You're just with your groupsand your friends and your clubs and your
sports and your whatever you just move on

Katie (01:40:23):
I think so too.
It was just a one off.
Cool

was a there was a He wrote john hughes wrote like What would
happen to the characters later in life?
It's funny what he wrote formolly ringwald's character.
She did in real

Katie (01:40:38):
Did get
fat.

No, I'm not fat.
She didn't say fat I think she saidkids Because molly's not fat anyway
She performed but I think she mighthave had children but said that she'd
get her face done and a boob job

Katie (01:40:51):
Two, two boob jobs and a facelift later, which is the
reason I said, did she get fat?
Is because that's what Bender
assumed would happen.

yeah, john hughes wrote like the characters but it's just kind
of ironic that He kind of called Molly.
I'm not shaming her.
Great.
You got a boob.
But she actually did getbreast augmentation work done
and worked on on her face.
Just like they said the

Katie (01:41:14):
Oh, Oh, in real life.

Yes, Molly did.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Katie (01:41:18):
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
There's no party scene.
No
guys drinking beer.
No bare breasts.
We kind of talked about it at thebeginning, but despite all of that,
and the, the studios wanting thatthat's your typical teen movie.
This.
It's so far outside that and thenit was also shot in sequence,
which is different.

Yeah, that's cool.
I like that, though.

Katie (01:41:38):
I think everybody knows, but john Hughes has a cameo in
this.
He picks up Brian at the end.
That's
John Hughes in the car picking up Brian.

in the drop off.
But yeah,
it's

Katie (01:41:49):
No, his, the drop off is his real mother and sister.
His mom drops him

right.

Katie (01:41:56):
And though the actresses The who play his mom and his sister in
the car are his real mother and real
sister.

That's right.
That's

Katie (01:42:05):
Mm hmm.
Should we do some castings?
Let's see what else.
Carl, the janitor Rick Moraniswas originally cast as him.

That would have been okay, but it would have been too.
Like he's just a special bit too silly.
I like the janitor that was cast.
Yeah.

Katie (01:42:20):
I do
too.
I do too.
Bill Murray was briefly consideredand same with John Candy,

Well, I love John Candy.

Katie (01:42:28):
but John Candy did

he would've been, he would've been good,
cause he can do that drama.
He would've done the sit hewould've been good cause he can do
those heartfelt moment talks too.
Yeah.
Uncle

Katie (01:42:38):
He did go on to work with Hughes a couple of times.
So Home Alone, Planes, Trains and
Automobiles.

Buck,

Katie (01:42:44):
Uncle Buck.
Yeah, duh.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Hughes really did want EmilioEstevez, but if he couldn't,
he was considering Michael J.
Fox.
Jim Carrey, Tom Cruise, MatthewBroderick, and Rob Lowe.

Oh, they all would've worked.
They all would've
worked.
In two

Katie (01:43:02):
for Claire, Jodie Foster, Robin Wright, Laura Dern.
Laura Dern I guess, want, she auditionedfor both, both of the female parts.
And Brooke Shields wasconsidered for Alison,
also.

Hmm, okay, jodie

Katie (01:43:19):
That's interesting.

I told you I think before she's what My well, she's
my all time favorite actress.

Katie (01:43:26):
That's right.
I forgot about that.

Yeah, so she would have been too good.
I hate to say it.
It's just she could have done itnailed it, but She's beyond that.
She would have been

Katie (01:43:38):
know, I, this might be a hot take.
I don't have anything

Especially

Katie (01:43:44):
There's nothing wrong with Molly Ringwald in this particular role.
I see someone like Robin, right?
That more classicallybeautiful stuck up, stuck up,
you know, like Molly Ringwaldis cute, but she's not your

Yeah.
I think Ally Sheie at then.
Why did
I say then?
But
I said, if I was in that room and theysaid, Ryan, pick a girl to take to the
prom right now, go after meeting them forthe day, I would've taken Ally Sheedy's
character, both looks wise and personalitywise, like I wouldn't have been
interested in Molly Ringo's character,

Katie (01:44:19):
Yeah,

like just objectively as a guy to take a
girl to the dance type thing.
So, yeah, I, I agree with you.
They should have gotten the,the blonde classic cheerleader.
Bombshell type actress.
Yeah.
It would have fit the 80strope without being too silly.
But yeah, that's the girl thatwould be popular school It'd be
the blonde haired Type cheerleader

Katie (01:44:38):
she works in something like a 16 candles because, because she
wasn't as popular, you know, yeah,

And I never saw Molly is that I always saw her as the
Yeah.
as the cute but Not yeah, so it'sinteresting, but maybe she's just really
sweet and that's why everyone likes her,too That's I think what we're getting at.
She seemed like she was a nice person ish.
She wasn't a bitch You know, so therewas that so maybe she just was You Cute
enough and pretty enough that she'spopular amongst her own peers and she's

(01:45:08):
sure she was raised up even higherbecause she was actually not a bad person.
Yeah.

Katie (01:45:14):
Do you know what the marijuana
that they smoke actually was?

Right.
Oregano or something.
Yeah.

Katie (01:45:22):
interesting.
Let's see the library was itwas a real school but it was the
gymnasium of main North high school.
And it was, like, made as aset specifically for this.
The
dandruff that she shakes onto her drawing.
Do you know
what it was?

Yeah.
Yeah.
Parmesan.

Katie (01:45:41):
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
There's like a
ton.
I could go on and on about

Oh yeah.
The trivia is a crazy.
I saw an IMDB as well.
I was like, holy smokes.
It's like, Tons of trivia.

Katie (01:45:55):
tons.
Yeah.
I mean, we could go on for another hour
talking about it, but Idon't want to bore you all.
Yeah.

true.
We don't have, well,it's too late for that.
With the, I think that shiphas sailed as they say.

Katie (01:46:06):
It is.
So where does this rank foryou with John Hughes movies?

Oh, I'd have to say, well, off the top of my
head, let's start with top five.
For sure.
Top three for sure.
Now we're battling that with a vacation.
And and Uncle Buck.
I really like Uncle Buck.
That was going to be one

Katie (01:46:26):
Those are, those are good.

cause I love John Candy so much.
But it's not number one I I can't help it.
I love vacation.
That's my breakfast club.
I've seen vacation numerous times.
I love the comedy of vacationclassic chevy chase, Has anthony
michael holland as well funny
enough and julie, uh, julielewis, which I love she's

Katie (01:46:44):
Mm

I just I just love that the the it's so stupid.
It has john candy at the end It's sucha fantastically stupid film that yeah,
it's hard for me to you know To notmake that probably the number one film
for me from John Hughes, but this is afantastic film I had forgotten how good
this film is like objectively speakingagain watching this for the podcast after
20 odd years not seeing it It's like boy.
This really is a good film.

(01:47:05):
This is just a very good film.

Katie (01:47:08):
I concur.
The Breakfast Club has beencalled the quintessential

Gotcha

Katie (01:47:13):
1980s film.
And, for me, it is 100percent my favorite John
Hughes movie.

Yeah, I believe

Katie (01:47:22):
It's in my I'd have to categorize them by
genre, but it's in mytop 5 movies of all time.
You know, if you have to go to anisland and you can only bring 5
movies, this would be 1 of them for
me.
It's yeah, I adore the breakfast club.
So I'm so glad that you picked itbecause I did kind of want it to be the

(01:47:42):
1st episode of season 2.
Also, it works out because whenthis is released, it will be.
At the anniversary, the 40th
anniversary
of the breakfast club.

And I just want to say as I totally agree with everything you're
saying about the film and I'll saywith teen movies That's the thing now.
We're talking about teen movies.
This is strictly a teenkind of movie like teen

Katie (01:48:03):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

I Don't know which one beats it off top.
I don't know what teen Charactercentric film beats this film.
That's where I'll put so I
like Vacation is a more enjoyable.
Like I get a
kick out of it.
Like it's nostalgic to objectively,this is a better film, obviously,

Katie (01:48:26):
mm

but we're talking about nostalgia, what I grew up with and I
I'm a big comedy fan, as you know, so,but as far as teen film goals, boy,
I don't know at the top of my head.
What would be the, this isthe godfather of teen films.
There you go.

Katie (01:48:40):
Ooh, well said Ryan.
Well, listeners tell me what youthink about the breakfast club.
Where does it rank in all of thesedifferent types of categories?
John Hughes, movies, teen movies.
Movies in general it's interestingthat you hadn't seen it in so long.
So that's.
That's a different take, so I'm gladthat you enjoyed it as much as you did.

(01:49:03):
I could, I really could go on
for 2 more hours talking about this

Let's do it.
All right.
Honey,

Katie (01:49:08):
but, but.
Sadly, we must now return to present dayreality until the next RetroMate episode.
Ryan, please do tell us becauseeveryone loves to hear from you.
What should we look forward to?
What's next?
What do you got coming outon on some of your shows?

Again, check out the worst of the best podcast.
By the time this episode drops, Ithink the next episode that I record
with my brother will be recorded.
And if not already done,there's a myriad of topics.
Just check out the feed.
You'll see a topic that will interest you.
And I invite you to listen to even theones you might not find of interest.
Cause you might find itinteresting to listen to check out.
If you're a Rocky fan.

(01:49:47):
Yes, of course.
Check out the one moreRound Rocky Series podcast.
And I do a, I've done, it's almost done.
It's almost done.
An Ed Zwick film podcast.
It's a miniseries podcast.
We've done 12 of the 13 films.
I've had rotating guest hostKatie, you've been on three of
those episodes on that show.
That's a fantastic journey.
Yeah, check out the Zwick Flix,the Zwick podcast as well.

Katie (01:50:08):
It's gone by
very fast.

I know.
Very fast.
Yeah,

Katie (01:50:12):
Oh PS.
I need some reviews, especially sinceit's the new season You don't even have to
write how great you think I am.
Even if you do just just writegobbledygook in the review
Just kidding.
You can say that you love John Hughes.
You can say anything you want But pleasegive me a five star review and with
that Until next time, be kind, rewind.

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