July 23, 2025 • 38 mins
In this first episode of our four-part series, we open up about the quiet yet powerful voice of shame that often whispers when we look in the mirror. From body image struggles to deeply rooted family messages, we share our own stories and trace the roots of shame all the way back to the Garden of Eden. But we don’t stop there—together, we explore the hope that comes when we realize Jesus carried not just our sin, but our shame too.
This episode isn’t just about identifying the problem—it’s about offering real tools for healing. We walk through practices like The God List, Praise Fests, and breath prayers that have helped us trade shame-filled lies for truth-filled peace. You’ll hear the difference between conviction and shame, and we’ll help you reclaim your reflection as a sacred space. Join us on this journey toward peace, purpose, and seeing yourself through God’s eyes. Be sure to grab the free “Who I Am in Christ” resource at teamlifeisgood.com/identity.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi and welcome to our podcast Revelation Within On
the Go.
I'm Heidi Bilesma-Epperson, oneof your hosts and the owner and
lead coach of theRevelationWithinorg ministry.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And I'm Christina Motley, your other host, also a
Revelation Within coach andHeidi's partner in all things
Revelation Within, and we are sohappy to invite you to join us
for this episode of RevelationWithin.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
On the go.
Yay.
This is the first of four kindof deep dive episodes drawn from
the material of our newestclass.
It hasn't even started yet.
It's going to be a couplemonths yet and it's called From
Shame to Shalom Seeing YourselfThrough God's Eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh, that sounds wonderful.
I mean shame and shalom.
Those are so opposite, aren'tthey?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
they really are.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
They're like totally, totally opposite.
And is there one of us outthere who hasn't dealt with
shame.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
We all have.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
We all have.
So what an important topic,okay.
So if you've ever felt like youknow shame it kind of whispers
in our ears, if you've ever feltlike that or screaming in the
mirror, sometimes you know it'slike, ah, there it is.
You are not alone and thisepisode is for you and me and
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Heidi too.
So let's go there for a littlebit here.
Let's uncover where shamebegins and let's look at how
Jesus speaks into it and what itmeans to actually begin the
journey back to Shalom.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Let's get back to Shalom.
I love that idea.
I love.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm thinking about inviting Jesus into this.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yes, let's do that right now.
Okay, oh Lord God, would youplease meet us right here.
We just lean into you right now.
We want to meet you gently,deeply, unmistakably.
Lord God, would you exposeshame in us, where it exists,
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not to humiliate us, but to healus.
We long to see ourselves as youdo.
Yes, thank you, lord, in yourname, amen, amen.
Thank you, heidi, sure.
Well, let's go back to thegarden.
When God created everything,the moment, shame entered our
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human story, if you will, andthe Bible suggests, if we look
at Genesis 3, verse 8, that God,adam and Eve, they kind of hung
out together, it says in thatverse.
Then the man and his wife heardthe sound of the Lord, god, as
he was walking in the garden inthe cool of the day.
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I love that.
This verse kind of implies thatGod's presence in the garden
was familiar to Adam and Eve.
And he may have regularly walkedand conversed with them, walked
and talked, and all that goodstuff I love that the fact that
they recognized the sound of himwalking kind of indicates that
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there was a relationship goingon there and interaction, and it
conveys a sense of closenesstoo and maybe even direct
interaction between them.
But the last part of that verseGenesis 3, 8, said how they
responded this time after theyhad eaten the fruit of the tree
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that they weren't supposed toeat from.
And it says in the last part ofGenesis 3, verse 8, they hid
from the Lord God among thetrees of the garden.
Oh dear, why do you think theydid that?
We can read it in Genesis 3.10.
Adam tells us why he was hidingI was afraid because I was
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naked, so I hid.
And that's what shame does.
It causes us to hide.
It tells us that somethingabout us is not just wrong, it's
unacceptable, it's rejectionworthy.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So true, so true.
So shame distorts what Goddesigned.
It distorts, I mean, you knowhow, when you look in a weird
funny house mirror, that's whatI think of when I think of of
shame and the distortion youknow.
You look in that mirror andthen there's there's many
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mirrors like in fun houses andit's like this isn't fun.
I've never liked those mirrorsby the way you look at those and
it's just kind of freaky whatit does to your body and it
distorts what is real.
And so shame does that kind oflike one of those mirrors.
It distorts what God designedand the enemy has been using it
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ever since you know, ever sincethat story that you just told,
with Adam and Eve, especiallyaround our bodies, our eating,
our mistakes, so.
But God doesn't retreat fromAdam and Eve.
He doesn't say, okay, well,I've got other things to do.
He doesn't do that.
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What does he do?
He pursues them.
He goes after them with loveand he asks them a question.
He says where are you?
Even though he knows exactlywhere they are, but it's like a
way to reach out, it's like aninvitation to interact with him
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again.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So Hebrews 12, 2 says for the joy set before him, he
endured the cross, scorning itsshame.
Jesus didn't just carry our sin, he carried our shame.
Have you ever thought aboutthat?
That makes it even moremeaningful to me what he did on
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the cross.
Imagine our shame all over hisshoulders, like all over his
body, like weighing him down.
He actually carried our shame.
He stripped shame of itsauthority.
Wow, stripped shame, I mean,that's profound, that is amazing
.
You know those, those of youwho are listening, think about
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what it is that's causing youshame right now.
Christ carried that shame onthe cross and he took away
completely its authority.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Wow, oh goodness, and shame.
You know, it's interesting whenwe think about shame.
What is the opposite of shame?
It's not good self image, it'sthe peace that surpasses all,
understanding that shalom, yes,and what's true is, shalom is
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also not just the absence ofconflict, it's the presence of
wholeness.
And again, the opposite ofshame is not self-esteem,
positive self-esteem.
I have a great self-image.
It's shalom.
Isaiah 26, verse 3, one of ourfavorite verses.
Yes, I love it.
I love it so much.
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It says you, God will keep inperfect peace, shalom shalom.
The words translated.
Perfect peace is like a doubleshalom.
Shalom shalom.
That's the words translated.
Perfect peace is like a doubleshalom.
Shalom shalom, perfect peace.
Yeah, we will keep in perfectpeace those whose minds are
steadfast because they trust inyou.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, that's beautiful.
I just oh that verse and I loveto personalize that verse.
I've been doing this a lotlately, lately, with this verse
Lord, you will keep me inperfect peace, shalom, Shalom.
Um as my mind is steadfastbecause I trust you.
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I love that.
You, I love that.
Okay, so, and here's something.
You'll hear us say a lot youare not.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What shame says you are who.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
God says.
I'm just going to say thatagain.
You are not what shame says.
You are who God says.
And we also say this a lotShame is not from God, shame is
not from God.
Say this a lot, shame is notfrom God.
Shame is not from God.
It's not.
I think a lot of us grow up,you know, maybe grow up in a
Christian church and learn aboutthe Bible and somehow we feel
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like shame is from God, likewe're supposed to feel that
shame all the time about notmeasuring up Absolutely?
not Absolutely not.
That is not who God is, that isnot what the Bible says, and so
if that's something thatresonates with you.
Just hear this you are not whatshame says, you are who God says
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.
So I can think of an example ofthis in my own life.
Just came to my mind right now,which often happens when Heidi
and I are doing a podcast shewas constantly extremely
negative about her own body,extremely, like every single day
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.
She would put an outfit on, shewould come out.
She would, you know, want usall to look at it and tell her
what was good or bad.
And my dad?
He had to be so careful what hesaid, and so he would say
things like you look sporty.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh dear.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I know and now I understand, because he knew that
almost every answer was wrong.
He had to come up with a wordthat was just totally.
Or the other one he would sayis well, that's a very
interesting outfit.
Now I can look back and see hewas just trying to keep the
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peace.
But my mom?
She talked a lot about her legsand so in in her family history
she has all these amazingstories.
And so in her family historyshe has all these amazing
stories, but one of them is thather dad married and the woman
he married got very sick earlyon into the marriage and died,
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and of course at that time itwas very, very common to then
have the husband marry thesister of the one who died.
That was very common.
They had a little four-year-oldtogether.
It was not my mom.
My mom came later and so my momhad a sister and they each had
a different mother.
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Okay, got it, okay, right, soone of the moms was very slender
and kind of slight and tall anda completely different body
shape than the other sister.
The other sister was more curvyand had maybe more of your
stereotypical kind of, you know,european kind of bigger arms
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and legs and bigger bones andthat kind of thing.
And so you had these twosisters that came from two
sisters, my mom.
That was just really really asource of shame for my mom.
My mom wanted to look like hersister her entire life and felt
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like she was inadequate, shedidn't look right, she didn't
look good, she didn't look likeyou know what the world says you
should look like, but she wasgorgeous, she was beautiful.
Actually both sisters were verybeautiful.
But my mom carried around thisshame about her legs and then
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later in life she had trouble,physical problems with her legs
that had to do with veins andcirculation, and so she always
had this very negative, very,very negative way of talking
about her legs.
So then what would happen?
I know she didn't mean this ina bad way, I know she didn't,
but she would say to me I'm sosorry you got my legs, oh dear,
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yeah, I'm so sorry you got mylegs, oh dear, yeah.
And and that was so hard for meto hear, because obviously I
mean I'd listened her whole lifethat somehow these legs were
shameful like this isn't the wayyou should look, and what do
you do about that?
I mean, there's there's notreally something you can do,
it's just the way that we'rebuilt and it's actually good and
beautiful.
And so, anyway, I remember as ateenager, especially at into my
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twenties, thinking, oh my gosh,I have my mom's legs, I'm curvy
like she is, and that's that'snegative, that's bad, like I
have shame about that.
Um, and so fast forward to now,and I'm getting ready to go on
this trip and I'm going to goand visit the daughter, so my
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cousin, the daughter of theother sister, oh, the, the, the
tall, thin, one.
Yes, she's not that tall, butshe's definitely thin Anyway,
and I love her very much.
I've spent time with her, Ithink, three times in my life
and I'm very excited to go seeher.
But she represents her bodytype, represents that other
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shape.
And what I love about this,what God has shown me when I
have invited him into this heand I talked about it the other
day is that this cousin of mineadored my mom.
She adored my mom, she lovedher.
She was one of her most specialrelationships in her life.
That's cool.
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And so this is what I'm thinkingas I get ready to go there.
I'm thinking I'm going to belike a reminder.
My being there will remind herof my mom, because I have her
same body type.
I'm curvy like her, I have alot of her attributes and that's
very beautiful and sweet andthat takes away and, you know,
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pushes away, really negates thatold shame that my mom carried
around.
So I just love the way Godshowed that to me and I've had
to think of it often.
I've had to renew my mind oftenas I'm packing and planning what
to bring, what to wear, andjust to be reminded of that that
that's a beautiful truth fromthe Lord.
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So as I'm packing, as I'mgetting ready to go on this trip
really something very specialthat we haven't done in 20 some
years go over and see our familyin Europe.
20 some years, go over and seeour family in Europe I'm
thinking of Isaiah 26, 3, andI'm thinking that I have a
choice to receive that perfectpeace.
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I get to choose it.
I don't have to walk around inmy mom's old shame, or my old
shame.
I don't have to walk around inthat, not for a minute.
I get to enjoy God's peace.
The only way I can do that,though, is if my mind is fixed
on his thoughts, if my mind issteadfast, if I'm trusting him.
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That's where that shalom shalomwill be for me whenever I need
it.
I can think of it as many timesas I want, and so I just love
that assurance.
That just makes my heart sohappy.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yay, ah, that's a beautiful story and I'm so glad
that you have that in the Lordfor sure.
So we have talked so far aboutshame and how it whispers.
Lies about who we are, and liesthat often start way before we
even realize it.
Yes, but one of the mostimmediate and painful places
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that shame likes to show up it'snot always in our words or even
in our actions.
It's a glance, it's areflection, yes, a moment in a
mirror.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh, dear, you're so right about that.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, the mirror has been a battleground for so many
of us.
We look in it and we hear, asthough somebody's standing right
there saying you'll nevermeasure up.
Yeah, you're disgusting.
Oh, or just look at those legs,maybe I mean whatever.
You know thing.
Or just look at those legs.
Maybe If people only knew whatyou really looked like
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underneath your clothes, that'dbe awful.
And sometimes we've even usedthe mirror as a place of
punishment for ourselves orwe've avoided it altogether.
But here's a new thought, areyou?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
ready yes, ready for the new thought.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yes, what if the mirror could become a sacred
space?
What if it's where we remindour hearts of God's thoughts of
the truth, not in a likeperformative fake it till you
make it sort of way, but in awhispered, trembling.
Jesus, help me believe what yousay, Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Wouldn't that be amazing.
That's a really really big,really big.
What if I know that I'mthinking?
People listening are like no,how could that even be?
But why not?
God can do anything.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, he can.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
God can do anything.
He can, god can do anything.
And yeah, I love this idea, Ilove this thought and it's true.
You know if we're tellingourself the truth from God's
point of view, we willeventually believe it.
Yeah, it's such a wonderful wayto live.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Oh yeah, so we are going to ask you all to consider
some journaling questions andyou can pause the podcast,
whatever you need to do.
But these are specificallyintended to help you process
what is true and kind ofjettison out that like kick out
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of the car or whatever thoughts,the thoughts of shame that are
lies.
They don't tell us the truth.
So, christina, tell us aboutthe questions.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, so here comes the first one what do I hear
when I look in the mirror?
So we might as well call outthe lies first, because that's
going to help us the most youknow.
Rather than I'm never going tosay them again, let's call them
out one more time.
Say what they are.
What do I hear, you know, in mymind and my thoughts when I
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look in the mirror?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Let's think on that for just a moment.
Okay, so, listener, justconsider is there a specific
statement?
Go ahead and ask the nextquestion, okay, and then we want
to ask this question.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
This is important too .
Whose voice are you hearing?
Is it yours?
Is it your mom's?
Is it your cousin's?
Is it that friend on theplayground when you were in
fifth grade?
You know, is it your husband?
Could be any number of people.
Certainly it's the enemy.
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Whose voice is that?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Let's call it out, yeah and just.
I would like to urge all of usto back up for just a minute and
invite God into this process,because you know, there's a lot
of things we don't recall or wedon't when we're asked questions
like these.
We may not even remember whatare the words that I hear when I
look in the mirror.
God can remind us.
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I mean that's you know.
It says in Jeremiah 33, three,call to me and I will answer you
and tell you great andunsearchable things you do not
know.
And so, inviting him to tell us.
Ok, what is it that I hear whenI look in the mirror?
Whose voice is that?
And I mean, he will pinpoint itand it's not to blame.
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It's not to say, yeah, they'rejust, you know, really rotten
people or whatever.
It's not for that.
No, no're just, you know reallyrotten people or whatever.
It's not for that.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
No, no, no, but it's well, we can forgive them,
certainly, but you know,inviting God to show us who and
what should I do with it next,Okay, the third question is very
, very important, like don'tskip this one, because this is
the one that will move youforward and get you going on a
journey towards freedom andpeace.
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What do I long to hear instead?
What do I long to hear instead?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And I would like maybe even ask God Lord what are
your thoughts instead?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Because I think that's what my heart really
longs to hear, maybe even askGod, lord, what are your
thoughts instead, yeah, what areyour thoughts?
Because I think that's what myheart really longs to hear.
I long to hear what God has tosay, because I know he sees
perfectly.
He sees perfectly.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
And maybe we should throw a few of those out there,
Heidi, and just kind of givesome examples of that.
I mean, I love to hear from God.
Christina, you are accepted asit is.
You are beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You're my beloved.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
You are radiant in my sight.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yes, I treasure you just as you are.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
You are washed clean.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You are washed clean.
You are beautiful beyondmeasure.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I couldn't love you more.
Don't change a thing.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, there's nothing you can do to cause me to love
you less.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
There is nothing that will separate you from my love.
I created you.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
You're my masterpiece .
You're my poetry in motion.
We really want to offer God theopportunity to restore the
mirror to a place of shalom forourselves, instead of shame.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So and I think we've talked about this before too in
different podcasts but actuallypracticing having a list of
those things ready, like whatHeidi and I just shared, or
other things that you might comeup with from the word or that
the Holy Spirit gives you, andbe ready and then go downtown
for a walk, you know, with allthose reflections or wherever Go
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somewhere where you're going tosee reflections and just
practice and see yourself andlook and say I am God's girl, I
am radiant and redeemed.
I am God's masterpiece.
And then walk to the nextstorefront more reflections.
Say it again and again, and, ofcourse, in your own mirrors at
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home.
But I know for me, I've had tobe very, very intentional about
this.
It doesn't just come.
No, I have been telling myselfthe opposite for my entire life
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this exercise.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You can navigate your way to this URL and it's
teamlifeisgoodcom.
So all one wordteamlifeisgoodcom forward slash
identity and that will bring youto a download.
It'll just automaticallydownload.
It won't ask you for an emailaddress or anything of a whole
bunch of verses and referencesto who I am in Christ, and you
can use that list to proclaimthe truth of who you are in
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scripture and it's a great wayto defeat shame and to kind of
immerse yourself in shalom.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, it's powerful.
That's an amazing list.
Yeah, definitely check that out.
So we have a beautiful breathprayer for you that we'd love to
share, something that you cantake with you.
You can do this with us now andthen again later in the day,
later in the week.
So we're going to inhale andsay you see me, and then we're
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going to exhale and say, and youlove me completely.
Okay, let's go ahead and take anice deep breath and say you
see me, you see me Breathe outand you love me completely.
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And you love me completely.
Let's do it again Breathe in,you see me, you see me Breathe
out and you love me completely.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And you love me completely.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Okay, one more breath prayer.
Here's another one.
You might like this one evenbetter, use them both, or pick
one, whatever you like.
This one is we're going toinhale and say you name me.
And then we're going to exhaleand say not shame me, okay, okay
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.
So think about those new names,the new names that God has for
you.
So let's take a deep breath andsay you name me, name me,
breathe out.
Not shame me.
Not shame me.
All right, beautiful, one moretime, take a deep breath.
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You name me and breathe out.
Not shame me.
Yay, awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
All right.
So the bottom line is we wantto shift from shame to shalom,
and so how can we do that?
Well, it's not going to beinstant, really.
No, I'm sorry if that's aspoiler, but it's not instant.
Romans 12, two of course, welove quoting this verse a lot
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and living by this verse too.
Be transformed by the renewingof your mind.
So this is kind of interesting.
The word renewing can mean adaily, ongoing process, process.
It's not about perfection, it'sabout practice.
It's about, like Christina wassaying, practicing going
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downtown and looking in thosereflections.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Go, practice Exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So one of the best places to start with mind
renewal is the God List andPraise Fest, and if you've been
a listener of our podcast forany length of time, you've
probably heard these.
If you've been in our classes,these are two of our favorite
Mind Renewal tools.
Yes, these can really help usbe anchored in truth, especially
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over time we use them, the morelikely we are to think the
things that God thinks about whohe is and what he does for
people.
So let's go ahead and talkabout that for a minute.
Christina, what is the God list?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yes, and I love, love , love talking about this,
because it's been so such a gamechanger in my own life and my
own journey.
Heidi, this came from you and Iappreciate so much that you put
this together.
So, god list I mean, it's sosimple, god list, but it's just
simple, but it's profound.
So, basically, making a list ofGod's attributes, asking who is
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God and what does he do forpeople and what does he want me
to believe about himself, and sostarting a list of words and
phrases, and for me, I just lovemy list to be ongoing.
I have several different listsgoing.
Of course, the word of God isyour primary source and if you
need a place to start, psalms isa great place to start the
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Psalms.
Just go through Psalm by Psalmand find those attributes.
They're all over the place,also in the rest of the word, of
course, but you can also findthem in hymns, sermons,
devotions, your grandma,possibly you can ask your kids.
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Anyway, there are so manyplaces.
As long as those attributesline up with what it says in the
word of God, you can put it onyour list and then you have this
amazing resource to go to.
The world says this andsomebody else says this, but you
have your God list and you knowwho God is.
From your, your own research,you know, and from the word of
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God.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh, can I, can I?
Can I give examples real quick?
Yes, yes, okay, this is one ofmy older God lists.
It's from 2017.
And this is from Psalm 103.
God's name is holy.
He forgives my sin, he heals mydiseases, he redeems my life
from the pit.
He crowns me with steadfastlove and mercy, he satisfies me
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with good things, he renews myyouth.
Like the eagles, he worksrighteousness and justice for
all who are oppressed.
He's merciful, he's gracious,he's slow to anger, he abounds
in steadfast love, et cetera, etcetera.
I could go on.
That's not the first half ofthat song.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Oh, I just don't even want you to stop, heidi.
I know it sounds so good, it'sso encouraging, it's such an
assurance and then, if you needsomewhere to begin that feels a
little more simple, you can justuse one word God, you are my
hope.
God, you are gracious, you aremerciful, you are my strength.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Steadfast compassionate.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yes, yes, we've got all kind you are kind, just that
you know you are kind, you arefor me, you are here.
How about that one?
You are here.
How about that one?
You are here.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
There's nothing complicated about this, but it
is so helpful to then use thesewords.
So then what happens is you canuse these words to actually
praise God, to just praise himfor who he is, which is
something that we don't.
Most of us don't do very often.
We, we thank him, we're like,oh, thank you, god, I got the
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first parking spot.
Wow, and we, you know, we saythings, but then do we, do we
really praise him each day forwho he is?
Most of us don't.
I mean, I didn't for all theyears that I was, you know, a
Christian and had not learnedhow to renew my mind.
This is a way to soften yourheart toward the Lord, and my
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favorite times to do this iswhen I don't want to, when I am
feeling disappointed or grumpyor out of control, or sorrow,
full of sorrow, or scared.
Those are the best times.
There's many others that youcould put in that list, because
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it reminds us oh yeah, god isamazing, he's God, he's bigger
than anything that's going on inmy life.
He's bigger.
He made the mountains.
He moves the mountains.
He's my mountain mover.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Right, Right.
I'm just going to use some ofthe my God list from 2017 to do
a quick praise fest, then youcan join me.
Um, we won't do too long,because we've got more more for
you before we wrap up thisepisode.
God, you are my refuge, you arerighteous, you're my deliverer.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
God, you are my way maker when there seems to be no
way.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
You are my rescuer.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
God, you are the one who pursues my kids.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You are my rock of refuge and my rock jetty too.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You are the one who constantly shows me mercy and
forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
You are my redeemer.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You are my strong tower, you are my hiding place.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
My faithful God.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You are the lover of my soul.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
You know this is more than journaling.
I mean you can put it in ajournal or you could do it on
the fly, which means you're notwriting anything down or reading
anything.
But this is so much more thanjust a journaling activity.
It's worship it really is.
And because of the way you'vebeen wired, it's so cool what
this does.
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When you think God's thoughtsabout who he is and that's what
we've been doing, it rewiresyour brain and the more you do
it, the more set those newneural pathways become and your
default will shift more and moreto being mindful of God's
greatness, his sovereignty, hisgoodness.
It actually doing this createsnew neural pathways, which is
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just a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, that's amazing, that's so amazing.
But we've seen it in our ownlives and we've seen it in
hundreds and hundreds of peoplethat have come to revelation
within and oh my goodness, it'samazing what can happen.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So let's just be really clear here.
Shame is not no, not ever.
The voice of God.
The Holy Spirit may convict,but he does not.
Shame Conviction is specificand it brings with it hope for
restoration.
Shame is broad and general andit doesn't usually bring hope
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with it at all.
Shame says you are not enough,but God says you are mine.
Shame says try harder.
God says come closer.
So we have some reflectionquestions for you, and again you
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can generally these if you want, or you could just spend some
time in prayer with the Lordabout them right now.
Where do I hear shame theloudest right now?
Where do I hear shame theloudest right now?
Second one is what truth fromGod's word can meet me there?
What truth from God's word canmeet me there?
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And the third one is what's onelie I can renounce today and
one truth I can declare?
I like to think of truth as theway I refute the lies, and we
all have lies pummeling ourbrains all the time.
So invite God to show you, lord, what is one lie I will
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renounce today.
What do you want me to rejecttoday as a lie and what is a
truth I can refute it with?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yes, oh, that's so so good.
Okay, so here's a truth tocarry into your week.
I am not what shame says, I amwho God says.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
That's good.
And here's a challenge for youChoose one mirror, just one, if
you're not going to go downtownand look in the windows.
Choose one mirror in your houseand instead of avoiding that
mirror oh boy, this is tough orcritiquing yourself in it, stand
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in front of it and say I see aperson deeply loved by God, just
as she is.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Beautiful.
Okay, one more breath prayerfor you.
This one might be your favorite.
Maybe you love them all.
We're going to breathe in andsay Jesus, you restore me.
And we're going to breathe outand say from shame to shalom.
I think this one is my favoriteout of the three today.
I just love these.
Okay, let's take a deep breathtogether.
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Jesus, you restore me.
Exhale from shame to shalom,from shame to shalom.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
One more time.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Take a deep breath in .
Jesus, you restore me Fromshame to shalom.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
To shalom.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yay, oh, my goodness, that was what I needed today,
heidi.
Yay, I am going to take all ofthis back into my day.
I know which mirror I'm goingto choose.
I've got the breath prayers.
I've got my God list going.
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And identity list who I am in Christ at
teamlifeisgoodcom.
Forward slash identity.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yep, yes, yes, yes.
So we are so glad you've beenhere with us today and we very
much hope that you will comeback and join us for our next
episode of Revelation Within.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
We'll see you next time.
Bye for now.
Hi and welcome to our podcast Revelation Within On
the Go.
I'm Heidi Bilesma-Epperson, oneof your hosts and the owner and
lead coach of theRevelationWithinorg ministry.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And I'm Christina Motley, your other host, also a
Revelation Within coach andHeidi's partner in all things
Revelation Within, and we are sohappy to invite you to join us
for this episode of RevelationWithin.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
On the go.
Yay.
This is the first of four kindof deep dive episodes drawn from
the material of our newestclass.
It hasn't even started yet.
It's going to be a couplemonths yet and it's called From
Shame to Shalom Seeing YourselfThrough God's Eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh, that sounds wonderful.
I mean shame and shalom.
Those are so opposite, aren'tthey?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
they really are.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
They're like totally, totally opposite.
And is there one of us outthere who hasn't dealt with
shame.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
We all have.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
We all have.
So what an important topic,okay.
So if you've ever felt like youknow shame it kind of whispers
in our ears, if you've ever feltlike that or screaming in the
mirror, sometimes you know it'slike, ah, there it is.
You are not alone and thisepisode is for you and me and
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Heidi too.
So let's go there for a littlebit here.
Let's uncover where shamebegins and let's look at how
Jesus speaks into it and what itmeans to actually begin the
journey back to Shalom.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Let's get back to Shalom.
I love that idea.
I love.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I'm thinking about inviting Jesus into this.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yes, let's do that right now.
Okay, oh Lord God, would youplease meet us right here.
We just lean into you right now.
We want to meet you gently,deeply, unmistakably.
Lord God, would you exposeshame in us, where it exists,
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not to humiliate us, but to healus.
We long to see ourselves as youdo.
Yes, thank you, lord, in yourname, amen, amen.
Thank you, heidi, sure.
Well, let's go back to thegarden.
When God created everything,the moment, shame entered our
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human story, if you will, andthe Bible suggests, if we look
at Genesis 3, verse 8, that God,adam and Eve, they kind of hung
out together, it says in thatverse.
Then the man and his wife heardthe sound of the Lord, god, as
he was walking in the garden inthe cool of the day.
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I love that.
This verse kind of implies thatGod's presence in the garden
was familiar to Adam and Eve.
And he may have regularly walkedand conversed with them, walked
and talked, and all that goodstuff I love that the fact that
they recognized the sound of himwalking kind of indicates that
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there was a relationship goingon there and interaction, and it
conveys a sense of closenesstoo and maybe even direct
interaction between them.
But the last part of that verseGenesis 3, 8, said how they
responded this time after theyhad eaten the fruit of the tree
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that they weren't supposed toeat from.
And it says in the last part ofGenesis 3, verse 8, they hid
from the Lord God among thetrees of the garden.
Oh dear, why do you think theydid that?
We can read it in Genesis 3.10.
Adam tells us why he was hidingI was afraid because I was
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naked, so I hid.
And that's what shame does.
It causes us to hide.
It tells us that somethingabout us is not just wrong, it's
unacceptable, it's rejectionworthy.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So true, so true.
So shame distorts what Goddesigned.
It distorts, I mean, you knowhow, when you look in a weird
funny house mirror, that's whatI think of when I think of of
shame and the distortion youknow.
You look in that mirror andthen there's there's many
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mirrors like in fun houses andit's like this isn't fun.
I've never liked those mirrorsby the way you look at those and
it's just kind of freaky whatit does to your body and it
distorts what is real.
And so shame does that kind oflike one of those mirrors.
It distorts what God designedand the enemy has been using it
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ever since you know, ever sincethat story that you just told,
with Adam and Eve, especiallyaround our bodies, our eating,
our mistakes, so.
But God doesn't retreat fromAdam and Eve.
He doesn't say, okay, well,I've got other things to do.
He doesn't do that.
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What does he do?
He pursues them.
He goes after them with loveand he asks them a question.
He says where are you?
Even though he knows exactlywhere they are, but it's like a
way to reach out, it's like aninvitation to interact with him
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again.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So Hebrews 12, 2 says for the joy set before him, he
endured the cross, scorning itsshame.
Jesus didn't just carry our sin, he carried our shame.
Have you ever thought aboutthat?
That makes it even moremeaningful to me what he did on
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the cross.
Imagine our shame all over hisshoulders, like all over his
body, like weighing him down.
He actually carried our shame.
He stripped shame of itsauthority.
Wow, stripped shame, I mean,that's profound, that is amazing
.
You know those, those of youwho are listening, think about
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what it is that's causing youshame right now.
Christ carried that shame onthe cross and he took away
completely its authority.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Wow, oh goodness, and shame.
You know, it's interesting whenwe think about shame.
What is the opposite of shame?
It's not good self image, it'sthe peace that surpasses all,
understanding that shalom, yes,and what's true is, shalom is
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also not just the absence ofconflict, it's the presence of
wholeness.
And again, the opposite ofshame is not self-esteem,
positive self-esteem.
I have a great self-image.
It's shalom.
Isaiah 26, verse 3, one of ourfavorite verses.
Yes, I love it.
I love it so much.
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It says you, God will keep inperfect peace, shalom shalom.
The words translated.
Perfect peace is like a doubleshalom.
Shalom shalom.
That's the words translated.
Perfect peace is like a doubleshalom.
Shalom shalom, perfect peace.
Yeah, we will keep in perfectpeace those whose minds are
steadfast because they trust inyou.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, that's beautiful.
I just oh that verse and I loveto personalize that verse.
I've been doing this a lotlately, lately, with this verse
Lord, you will keep me inperfect peace, shalom, Shalom.
Um as my mind is steadfastbecause I trust you.
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I love that.
You, I love that.
Okay, so, and here's something.
You'll hear us say a lot youare not.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What shame says you are who.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
God says.
I'm just going to say thatagain.
You are not what shame says.
You are who God says.
And we also say this a lotShame is not from God, shame is
not from God.
Say this a lot, shame is notfrom God.
Shame is not from God.
It's not.
I think a lot of us grow up,you know, maybe grow up in a
Christian church and learn aboutthe Bible and somehow we feel
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like shame is from God, likewe're supposed to feel that
shame all the time about notmeasuring up Absolutely?
not Absolutely not.
That is not who God is, that isnot what the Bible says, and so
if that's something thatresonates with you.
Just hear this you are not whatshame says, you are who God says
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.
So I can think of an example ofthis in my own life.
Just came to my mind right now,which often happens when Heidi
and I are doing a podcast shewas constantly extremely
negative about her own body,extremely, like every single day
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.
She would put an outfit on, shewould come out.
She would, you know, want usall to look at it and tell her
what was good or bad.
And my dad?
He had to be so careful what hesaid, and so he would say
things like you look sporty.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh dear.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I know and now I understand, because he knew that
almost every answer was wrong.
He had to come up with a wordthat was just totally.
Or the other one he would sayis well, that's a very
interesting outfit.
Now I can look back and see hewas just trying to keep the
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peace.
But my mom?
She talked a lot about her legsand so in in her family history
she has all these amazingstories.
And so in her family historyshe has all these amazing
stories, but one of them is thather dad married and the woman
he married got very sick earlyon into the marriage and died,
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and of course at that time itwas very, very common to then
have the husband marry thesister of the one who died.
That was very common.
They had a little four-year-oldtogether.
It was not my mom.
My mom came later and so my momhad a sister and they each had
a different mother.
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Okay, got it, okay, right, soone of the moms was very slender
and kind of slight and tall anda completely different body
shape than the other sister.
The other sister was more curvyand had maybe more of your
stereotypical kind of, you know,european kind of bigger arms
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and legs and bigger bones andthat kind of thing.
And so you had these twosisters that came from two
sisters, my mom.
That was just really really asource of shame for my mom.
My mom wanted to look like hersister her entire life and felt
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like she was inadequate, shedidn't look right, she didn't
look good, she didn't look likeyou know what the world says you
should look like, but she wasgorgeous, she was beautiful.
Actually both sisters were verybeautiful.
But my mom carried around thisshame about her legs and then
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later in life she had trouble,physical problems with her legs
that had to do with veins andcirculation, and so she always
had this very negative, very,very negative way of talking
about her legs.
So then what would happen?
I know she didn't mean this ina bad way, I know she didn't,
but she would say to me I'm sosorry you got my legs, oh dear,
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yeah, I'm so sorry you got mylegs, oh dear, yeah.
And and that was so hard for meto hear, because obviously I
mean I'd listened her whole lifethat somehow these legs were
shameful like this isn't the wayyou should look, and what do
you do about that?
I mean, there's there's notreally something you can do,
it's just the way that we'rebuilt and it's actually good and
beautiful.
And so, anyway, I remember as ateenager, especially at into my
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twenties, thinking, oh my gosh,I have my mom's legs, I'm curvy
like she is, and that's that'snegative, that's bad, like I
have shame about that.
Um, and so fast forward to now,and I'm getting ready to go on
this trip and I'm going to goand visit the daughter, so my
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cousin, the daughter of theother sister, oh, the, the, the
tall, thin, one.
Yes, she's not that tall, butshe's definitely thin Anyway,
and I love her very much.
I've spent time with her, Ithink, three times in my life
and I'm very excited to go seeher.
But she represents her bodytype, represents that other
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shape.
And what I love about this,what God has shown me when I
have invited him into this heand I talked about it the other
day is that this cousin of mineadored my mom.
She adored my mom, she lovedher.
She was one of her most specialrelationships in her life.
That's cool.
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And so this is what I'm thinkingas I get ready to go there.
I'm thinking I'm going to belike a reminder.
My being there will remind herof my mom, because I have her
same body type.
I'm curvy like her, I have alot of her attributes and that's
very beautiful and sweet andthat takes away and, you know,
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pushes away, really negates thatold shame that my mom carried
around.
So I just love the way Godshowed that to me and I've had
to think of it often.
I've had to renew my mind oftenas I'm packing and planning what
to bring, what to wear, andjust to be reminded of that that
that's a beautiful truth fromthe Lord.
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So as I'm packing, as I'mgetting ready to go on this trip
really something very specialthat we haven't done in 20 some
years go over and see our familyin Europe.
20 some years, go over and seeour family in Europe I'm
thinking of Isaiah 26, 3, andI'm thinking that I have a
choice to receive that perfectpeace.
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I get to choose it.
I don't have to walk around inmy mom's old shame, or my old
shame.
I don't have to walk around inthat, not for a minute.
I get to enjoy God's peace.
The only way I can do that,though, is if my mind is fixed
on his thoughts, if my mind issteadfast, if I'm trusting him.
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That's where that shalom shalomwill be for me whenever I need
it.
I can think of it as many timesas I want, and so I just love
that assurance.
That just makes my heart sohappy.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yay, ah, that's a beautiful story and I'm so glad
that you have that in the Lordfor sure.
So we have talked so far aboutshame and how it whispers.
Lies about who we are, and liesthat often start way before we
even realize it.
Yes, but one of the mostimmediate and painful places
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that shame likes to show up it'snot always in our words or even
in our actions.
It's a glance, it's areflection, yes, a moment in a
mirror.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Oh, dear, you're so right about that.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah, the mirror has been a battleground for so many
of us.
We look in it and we hear, asthough somebody's standing right
there saying you'll nevermeasure up.
Yeah, you're disgusting.
Oh, or just look at those legs,maybe I mean whatever.
You know thing.
Or just look at those legs.
Maybe If people only knew whatyou really looked like
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underneath your clothes, that'dbe awful.
And sometimes we've even usedthe mirror as a place of
punishment for ourselves orwe've avoided it altogether.
But here's a new thought, areyou?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
ready yes, ready for the new thought.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yes, what if the mirror could become a sacred
space?
What if it's where we remindour hearts of God's thoughts of
the truth, not in a likeperformative fake it till you
make it sort of way, but in awhispered, trembling.
Jesus, help me believe what yousay, Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Wouldn't that be amazing.
That's a really really big,really big.
What if I know that I'mthinking?
People listening are like no,how could that even be?
But why not?
God can do anything.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, he can.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
God can do anything.
He can, god can do anything.
And yeah, I love this idea, Ilove this thought and it's true.
You know if we're tellingourself the truth from God's
point of view, we willeventually believe it.
Yeah, it's such a wonderful wayto live.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Oh yeah, so we are going to ask you all to consider
some journaling questions andyou can pause the podcast,
whatever you need to do.
But these are specificallyintended to help you process
what is true and kind ofjettison out that like kick out
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of the car or whatever thoughts,the thoughts of shame that are
lies.
They don't tell us the truth.
So, christina, tell us aboutthe questions.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay, so here comes the first one what do I hear
when I look in the mirror?
So we might as well call outthe lies first, because that's
going to help us the most youknow.
Rather than I'm never going tosay them again, let's call them
out one more time.
Say what they are.
What do I hear, you know, in mymind and my thoughts when I
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look in the mirror?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Let's think on that for just a moment.
Okay, so, listener, justconsider is there a specific
statement?
Go ahead and ask the nextquestion, okay, and then we want
to ask this question.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
This is important too .
Whose voice are you hearing?
Is it yours?
Is it your mom's?
Is it your cousin's?
Is it that friend on theplayground when you were in
fifth grade?
You know, is it your husband?
Could be any number of people.
Certainly it's the enemy.
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Whose voice is that?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Let's call it out, yeah and just.
I would like to urge all of usto back up for just a minute and
invite God into this process,because you know, there's a lot
of things we don't recall or wedon't when we're asked questions
like these.
We may not even remember whatare the words that I hear when I
look in the mirror.
God can remind us.
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I mean that's you know.
It says in Jeremiah 33, three,call to me and I will answer you
and tell you great andunsearchable things you do not
know.
And so, inviting him to tell us.
Ok, what is it that I hear whenI look in the mirror?
Whose voice is that?
And I mean, he will pinpoint itand it's not to blame.
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It's not to say, yeah, they'rejust, you know, really rotten
people or whatever.
It's not for that.
No, no're just, you know reallyrotten people or whatever.
It's not for that.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
No, no, no, but it's well, we can forgive them,
certainly, but you know,inviting God to show us who and
what should I do with it next,Okay, the third question is very
, very important, like don'tskip this one, because this is
the one that will move youforward and get you going on a
journey towards freedom andpeace.
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What do I long to hear instead?
What do I long to hear instead?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And I would like maybe even ask God Lord what are
your thoughts instead?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Because I think that's what my heart really
longs to hear, maybe even askGod, lord, what are your
thoughts instead, yeah, what areyour thoughts?
Because I think that's what myheart really longs to hear.
I long to hear what God has tosay, because I know he sees
perfectly.
He sees perfectly.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
And maybe we should throw a few of those out there,
Heidi, and just kind of givesome examples of that.
I mean, I love to hear from God.
Christina, you are accepted asit is.
You are beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You're my beloved.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
You are radiant in my sight.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yes, I treasure you just as you are.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
You are washed clean.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You are washed clean.
You are beautiful beyondmeasure.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I couldn't love you more.
Don't change a thing.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, there's nothing you can do to cause me to love
you less.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
There is nothing that will separate you from my love.
I created you.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
You're my masterpiece .
You're my poetry in motion.
We really want to offer God theopportunity to restore the
mirror to a place of shalom forourselves, instead of shame.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So and I think we've talked about this before too in
different podcasts but actuallypracticing having a list of
those things ready, like whatHeidi and I just shared, or
other things that you might comeup with from the word or that
the Holy Spirit gives you, andbe ready and then go downtown
for a walk, you know, with allthose reflections or wherever Go
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somewhere where you're going tosee reflections and just
practice and see yourself andlook and say I am God's girl, I
am radiant and redeemed.
I am God's masterpiece.
And then walk to the nextstorefront more reflections.
Say it again and again, and, ofcourse, in your own mirrors at
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home.
But I know for me, I've had tobe very, very intentional about
this.
It doesn't just come.
No, I have been telling myselfthe opposite for my entire life
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this exercise.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
You can navigate your way to this URL and it's
teamlifeisgoodcom.
So all one wordteamlifeisgoodcom forward slash
identity and that will bring youto a download.
It'll just automaticallydownload.
It won't ask you for an emailaddress or anything of a whole
bunch of verses and referencesto who I am in Christ, and you
can use that list to proclaimthe truth of who you are in
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scripture and it's a great wayto defeat shame and to kind of
immerse yourself in shalom.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, it's powerful.
That's an amazing list.
Yeah, definitely check that out.
So we have a beautiful breathprayer for you that we'd love to
share, something that you cantake with you.
You can do this with us now andthen again later in the day,
later in the week.
So we're going to inhale andsay you see me, and then we're
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going to exhale and say, and youlove me completely.
Okay, let's go ahead and take anice deep breath and say you
see me, you see me Breathe outand you love me completely.
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And you love me completely.
Let's do it again Breathe in,you see me, you see me Breathe
out and you love me completely.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And you love me completely.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Okay, one more breath prayer.
Here's another one.
You might like this one evenbetter, use them both, or pick
one, whatever you like.
This one is we're going toinhale and say you name me.
And then we're going to exhaleand say not shame me, okay, okay
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.
So think about those new names,the new names that God has for
you.
So let's take a deep breath andsay you name me, name me,
breathe out.
Not shame me.
Not shame me.
All right, beautiful, one moretime, take a deep breath.
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You name me and breathe out.
Not shame me.
Yay, awesome, awesome.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
All right.
So the bottom line is we wantto shift from shame to shalom,
and so how can we do that?
Well, it's not going to beinstant, really.
No, I'm sorry if that's aspoiler, but it's not instant.
Romans 12, two of course, welove quoting this verse a lot
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and living by this verse too.
Be transformed by the renewingof your mind.
So this is kind of interesting.
The word renewing can mean adaily, ongoing process, process.
It's not about perfection, it'sabout practice.
It's about, like Christina wassaying, practicing going
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downtown and looking in thosereflections.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Go, practice Exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
So one of the best places to start with mind
renewal is the God List andPraise Fest, and if you've been
a listener of our podcast forany length of time, you've
probably heard these.
If you've been in our classes,these are two of our favorite
Mind Renewal tools.
Yes, these can really help usbe anchored in truth, especially
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over time we use them, the morelikely we are to think the
things that God thinks about whohe is and what he does for
people.
So let's go ahead and talkabout that for a minute.
Christina, what is the God list?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yes, and I love, love , love talking about this,
because it's been so such a gamechanger in my own life and my
own journey.
Heidi, this came from you and Iappreciate so much that you put
this together.
So, god list I mean, it's sosimple, god list, but it's just
simple, but it's profound.
So, basically, making a list ofGod's attributes, asking who is
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God and what does he do forpeople and what does he want me
to believe about himself, and sostarting a list of words and
phrases, and for me, I just lovemy list to be ongoing.
I have several different listsgoing.
Of course, the word of God isyour primary source and if you
need a place to start, psalms isa great place to start the
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Psalms.
Just go through Psalm by Psalmand find those attributes.
They're all over the place,also in the rest of the word, of
course, but you can also findthem in hymns, sermons,
devotions, your grandma,possibly you can ask your kids.
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Anyway, there are so manyplaces.
As long as those attributesline up with what it says in the
word of God, you can put it onyour list and then you have this
amazing resource to go to.
The world says this andsomebody else says this, but you
have your God list and you knowwho God is.
From your, your own research,you know, and from the word of
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God.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Oh, can I, can I?
Can I give examples real quick?
Yes, yes, okay, this is one ofmy older God lists.
It's from 2017.
And this is from Psalm 103.
God's name is holy.
He forgives my sin, he heals mydiseases, he redeems my life
from the pit.
He crowns me with steadfastlove and mercy, he satisfies me
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with good things, he renews myyouth.
Like the eagles, he worksrighteousness and justice for
all who are oppressed.
He's merciful, he's gracious,he's slow to anger, he abounds
in steadfast love, et cetera, etcetera.
I could go on.
That's not the first half ofthat song.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Oh, I just don't even want you to stop, heidi.
I know it sounds so good, it'sso encouraging, it's such an
assurance and then, if you needsomewhere to begin that feels a
little more simple, you can justuse one word God, you are my
hope.
God, you are gracious, you aremerciful, you are my strength.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Steadfast compassionate.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yes, yes, we've got all kind you are kind, just that
you know you are kind, you arefor me, you are here.
How about that one?
You are here.
How about that one?
You are here.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It doesn't have.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
There's nothing complicated about this, but it
is so helpful to then use thesewords.
So then what happens is you canuse these words to actually
praise God, to just praise himfor who he is, which is
something that we don't.
Most of us don't do very often.
We, we thank him, we're like,oh, thank you, god, I got the
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first parking spot.
Wow, and we, you know, we saythings, but then do we, do we
really praise him each day forwho he is?
Most of us don't.
I mean, I didn't for all theyears that I was, you know, a
Christian and had not learnedhow to renew my mind.
This is a way to soften yourheart toward the Lord, and my
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favorite times to do this iswhen I don't want to, when I am
feeling disappointed or grumpyor out of control, or sorrow,
full of sorrow, or scared.
Those are the best times.
There's many others that youcould put in that list, because
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it reminds us oh yeah, god isamazing, he's God, he's bigger
than anything that's going on inmy life.
He's bigger.
He made the mountains.
He moves the mountains.
He's my mountain mover.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Right, Right.
I'm just going to use some ofthe my God list from 2017 to do
a quick praise fest, then youcan join me.
Um, we won't do too long,because we've got more more for
you before we wrap up thisepisode.
God, you are my refuge, you arerighteous, you're my deliverer.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
God, you are my way maker when there seems to be no
way.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
You are my rescuer.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
God, you are the one who pursues my kids.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You are my rock of refuge and my rock jetty too.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
You are the one who constantly shows me mercy and
forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
You are my redeemer.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
You are my strong tower, you are my hiding place.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
My faithful God.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You are the lover of my soul.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
You know this is more than journaling.
I mean you can put it in ajournal or you could do it on
the fly, which means you're notwriting anything down or reading
anything.
But this is so much more thanjust a journaling activity.
It's worship it really is.
And because of the way you'vebeen wired, it's so cool what
this does.
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When you think God's thoughtsabout who he is and that's what
we've been doing, it rewiresyour brain and the more you do
it, the more set those newneural pathways become and your
default will shift more and moreto being mindful of God's
greatness, his sovereignty, hisgoodness.
It actually doing this createsnew neural pathways, which is
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just a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, that's amazing, that's so amazing.
But we've seen it in our ownlives and we've seen it in
hundreds and hundreds of peoplethat have come to revelation
within and oh my goodness, it'samazing what can happen.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
So let's just be really clear here.
Shame is not no, not ever.
The voice of God.
The Holy Spirit may convict,but he does not.
Shame Conviction is specificand it brings with it hope for
restoration.
Shame is broad and general andit doesn't usually bring hope
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with it at all.
Shame says you are not enough,but God says you are mine.
Shame says try harder.
God says come closer.
So we have some reflectionquestions for you, and again you
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can generally these if you want, or you could just spend some
time in prayer with the Lordabout them right now.
Where do I hear shame theloudest right now?
Where do I hear shame theloudest right now?
Second one is what truth fromGod's word can meet me there?
What truth from God's word canmeet me there?
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And the third one is what's onelie I can renounce today and
one truth I can declare?
I like to think of truth as theway I refute the lies, and we
all have lies pummeling ourbrains all the time.
So invite God to show you, lord, what is one lie I will
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renounce today.
What do you want me to rejecttoday as a lie and what is a
truth I can refute it with?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yes, oh, that's so so good.
Okay, so here's a truth tocarry into your week.
I am not what shame says, I amwho God says.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
That's good.
And here's a challenge for youChoose one mirror, just one, if
you're not going to go downtownand look in the windows.
Choose one mirror in your houseand instead of avoiding that
mirror oh boy, this is tough orcritiquing yourself in it, stand
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in front of it and say I see aperson deeply loved by God, just
as she is.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Beautiful.
Okay, one more breath prayerfor you.
This one might be your favorite.
Maybe you love them all.
We're going to breathe in andsay Jesus, you restore me.
And we're going to breathe outand say from shame to shalom.
I think this one is my favoriteout of the three today.
I just love these.
Okay, let's take a deep breathtogether.
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Jesus, you restore me.
Exhale from shame to shalom,from shame to shalom.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
One more time.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Take a deep breath in .
Jesus, you restore me Fromshame to shalom.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
To shalom.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yay, oh, my goodness, that was what I needed today,
heidi.
Yay, I am going to take all ofthis back into my day.
I know which mirror I'm goingto choose.
I've got the breath prayers.
I've got my God list going.
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
And identity list who I am in Christ at
teamlifeisgoodcom.
Forward slash identity.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yep, yes, yes, yes.
So we are so glad you've beenhere with us today and we very
much hope that you will comeback and join us for our next
episode of Revelation Within.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
We'll see you next time.
Bye for now.
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