December 3, 2025 • 31 mins
What if your strongest cravings aren’t about food at all? As we talk through this topic together, we admit how often our cravings have nothing to do with actual hunger. We share openly about the ways we’ve reached for food, scrolling, or constant busyness when what our hearts really needed was comfort, truth, or simply God’s presence. We walk through the lies we’ve believed—“I deserve this,” “This will help,” “I’m on my own”—and how we’ve learned to exchange them for steadier promises: God is near to the brokenhearted, He satisfies the longing soul, and in Christ, we are never condemned.
We also get practical about what helps us in the moment: the “emergency kits” we each keep nearby—devotionals, warm tea, encouraging notes, different Bible translations, worship playlists, and written truth statements. We describe the mind-renewal practices that have genuinely helped us shift our focus: gratitude liturgy, praise moments that celebrate who God is, and simple prayers that invite the Holy Spirit into the empty spaces we used to fill with numbing. We share tender stories from seasons of care-giving, illness, and loss, and how grieving honestly—yet with gratitude—lightened the load. Our hope is to help you treat hunger with curiosity instead of panic, letting the Lord meet you right where you are.
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SPEAKER_02 (00:01):
Hi, and welcome to our podcast, Revelation Within
on the Go.
I am Heidi Wilton Epherson, oneof your hosts, and the owner and
lead coach of theRevelationWithin.org industry.
SPEAKER_00 (00:12):
And I'm Christina Motley, your other host, also a
Revelation Within coach, andHeidi's partner in all things
Revelation Within.
We are so happy to invite you tojoin us for this episode of
Revelation Within.
SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
Well, we are so glad you're here.
What we have on top for youtoday is a pretty deeply honest
episode.
Because let's face it, let'sjust say it.
Sometimes we think we're hungry,but it's actually not our bodies
asking for food.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
Yes.
Anybody in the room anybody inthe room, hands are going up.
All the hands are going up.
All the hands are going up.
SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
Um and so today we're talking about what happens
when our hunger is emotional orspiritual or just plain not
rooted in physical need.
Um and to be honest with you,Christine and I both know from
decades of being connected withthis ministry in some way or
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another, this can be one of themost confusing and discouraging
aspects of this journey forpeople.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (01:31):
Would you say so?
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
And I think about when I came toThin Within now, Revelation
Within, emotional eating, eatingfor any kind of emotional
reason, that was my biggeststumble, stumbling block or
obstacle.
Or I mean, I struggled with thatevery day, many times a day,
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many times a day.
Um, whether it was, you know,sadness or stress or
procrastination or I mean anynumber of things, exhaustion,
whatever, I would eat over itall the time.
We're gonna talk about thattoday, which hopefully will
really be so relevant for all ofus.
Here at Revelation Within, wealways, always, always start
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with God.
And here's always and here's thequestion he's been asking since
the Garden of Eden from Genesis3:9.
Where are you?
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
I'm sitting in my chair at my desk in my office.
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
Yes, and I'm sitting in my little office in in
Colorado as well.
But where are you?
Where's your heart?
Where's your mind?
Where are you?
So when I feel a craving thatisn't physical hunger, what's
really going on inside of me?
Is it loneliness?
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Is it boredom?
What about fatigue, insecurity?
I mean, I could probably list ahundred reasons why I have eaten
for so many years that it hasnothing to do with physical
hunger.
SPEAKER_02 (03:09):
Seriously.
I got your beat.
I think I could list 200.
Oh, so true.
So much of what we try to fix orsatisfy with food is actually a
longing for something so muchdeeper.
Yes.
And food is only a temporaryfix.
It's not even a fix, temporaryor otherwise, for what that
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deeper longing is longing for.
You know, it may numb us out orsoothe us for a second, but food
will never fill the ache in oursoul that is there.
There's other things that weneed to get in the habit of
turning to to fill that holethat might be present.
So let's start by looking atsome scripture together.
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Great.
Isaiah 55, verse 2.
Why spend money on what is notbread and your labor on what
does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, God says,and eat what is good, and you
will delight in the richest offair.
Well, that really hits home.
SPEAKER_00 (04:12):
Is that really in the Bible?
SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (04:16):
That's amazing.
It's like it's like God isasking me in this passage, why
are you settling?
Oh, yes.
You know, I mean, think aboutthat.
Emotional eating is reallytrying to buy satisfaction from
the wrong store.
It's it's a store that sellssomething else.
Oh, and God, though, is offeringreal soul-satisfying food.
SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
That's a really, really good way to look at it,
Heidi.
I like that.
Um, John 6 35 says, Then Jesusdeclared, I am the bread of
life.
He called himself bread.
I love that.
I know.
Whoever comes to me will nevergo hungry, and whoever believes
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in me will never be thirsty.
SPEAKER_02 (05:04):
So I mean, you notice those words, never in
there.
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
Exactly.
And bread and hungry andthirsty.
But what is he really talkingabout?
Is he talking about, well,sourdough or wheat bread or I
mean, what's he talking about?
Is it gluten free?
It's not wrong to be hungry, butwe need to ask: okay, what kind
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of hunger is this that I'mexperiencing?
And then what kind ofnourishment does this hunger
really need?
SPEAKER_02 (05:38):
You know, that's so true.
I mean, really, the only kind ofhunger that physical food will
satisfy is physical hunger.
Yep, it's true.
All the other kinds of hunger.
We gotta do something different.
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
But I've tried so hard over the years to fill that
need with food.
I've tried so hard.
Right.
It doesn't work, it doesn'twork.
It actually causes me to feelworse.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Talk about beating myself upafter, yeah.
You try to satisfy a longingwith physical food, and that
longing is not a physicallonging.
And really, we end up beatingourselves up on top of that
sideways step.
So here at Revelation Within,those of you who are listening
might know we teach about theintentions of spirit-led eating.
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Yes.
And of course, these are includethings like continuing to do my
life until I have a clear hungersignal, inviting God into my
eating experience, choosing foodthat honors my body and blesses
and honors him.
But what happens when there's nophysical hunger, just an ache of
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some kind, or maybe physicalpain?
I know a lot of us havedifferent aches and pains, and
sometimes it feels like food isthe answer to that.
Because the truth is, it doesmake us feel better for a
minute.
SPEAKER_00 (07:06):
Yeah, even half a minute, really.
I think it's about half aminute.
So that's such a good question,Heidi.
What do we do?
And I was never taught, youknow.
I mean, um, nobody taught mewhat do you do?
How do you deal with youremotions in a healthy way?
And it's like, well, ouremotions are important.
It's uh so okay, maybe I'll justdistract myself and I'll just
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like shove all the emotionsunder a rug.
And is that gonna help?
No, that doesn't help either.
So, what what is the key tothis?
And it's what we call therenewing of the mind.
SPEAKER_02 (07:41):
We I bet you've heard that before.
SPEAKER_00 (07:44):
Every single podcast we talk about mind renewal
because it is that it islife-changing, it is
transformative, and it's it'sGod's answer to this, um, which
is where we really, really wantto go.
We want to invite God in, notjust to help us eat better, but
to see more clearly what'sreally going on and to speak
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truth over the lies that havedriven us to food for years and
years and years.
SPEAKER_02 (08:14):
Yeah.
So, all right, let I'll bite.
Let what lies might be lurkingthere?
What lies might be lurkingthere?
So here are some.
And um, we've seen these liessneak into our lives when we're
emotionally or spirituallyhungry.
Okay, how about I deserve this?
Oh, really?
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Oh, um, yeah, well, I won't Iwon't act that one out because
it's obvious.
I need a treat.
Yeah, how about this will makeme feel better?
Okay, and that's tricky becauseyou know what?
It kind of is like an upgrade towhatever's going on in my life,
but it's an upgrade with a realhefty price.
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Yeah, and then another lie thatkind of sneaks in I'm not loved.
The sleeve of cookies is gonnamake me know I'm loved.
Yeah.
No.
No.
But we tried, we've tried.
SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
If it would have worked, we would have known.
Yeah, we've really experimentedwith this for decades.
SPEAKER_02 (09:18):
Yeah.
How about I'm all alone?
God doesn't care.
Oh my goodness.
This feeling will never pass,it'll always be this way.
Oh boy, those are depressing.
SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
Yeah, they're awful.
But these lies, I mean, they areso strong, aren't they?
When they come to us in thesemoments, we are longing for
these lies to be answered withtruth.
So here comes the truth.
Let's get to the truth.
Let's not dwell on those liesbecause they are just gonna take
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us down, down, down.
But what is the truth?
Psalm 34, 18.
The Lord is close to thebrokenhearted.
That is the truth.
He's close to the brokenhearted.
So if you want to eat becauseyou're feeling brokenhearted,
the Lord is close.
He's our source for comfort.
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He's he's the best source,really the only source for the
depth of comfort that a personwho is brokenhearted needs.
And Heidi and I both get thatvery, very much.
Here's another one, Psalm 107,verse 9.
He satisfies the longing soul.
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There it is.
Yeah, I mean, this is God'sanswer.
God's answer is actuallyhimself, his answer is his own
presence for us.
Oh, that's beautiful.
How about Hebrews 13:5?
You are not alone, he will neverleave you.
And that's all over the Bible.
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There's so many places that ittalks about God being close and
God being with us in whatever itis that we're dealing with.
He is with us, we are not aloneever.
And then Romans 8:1.
There is no condemnation inChrist.
We are not being condemned.
We are not.
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We are free from condemnation,we are free from shame.
We are free.
SPEAKER_02 (11:25):
And I don't know about you, but I have never been
able to hate myself into apositive change.
Like we sure have trials, yeah.
Why do I keep eating like thiswhen I'm sad or whatever it
might be?
And you know, just so there'scontext here, let's you and I,
Christina, rattle off some ofthe trials we've experienced in
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the last 11 years that we'veknown one another.
Oh.
And have been in this together.
All right, you name one thatyou've uh had to endure.
SPEAKER_00 (11:56):
Caregiving for my parents.
My mom had Alzheimer's 10-yearjourney.
SPEAKER_02 (12:02):
Yeah, caregiving of my very what is a good word for
it, my mother-in-law, who wasvery uncooperative.
Let's put it that way.
SPEAKER_00 (12:13):
Also caregiving for um my mother-in-law until she
passed in our home.
SPEAKER_02 (12:18):
Mm-hmm.
And uh the dissolution of myfirst marriage.
SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
Um, chronic Lyme disease.
I have had it for almost 12years.
SPEAKER_02 (13:44):
Mm-hmm.
And a massive health crisis andlosing the use of my legs and my
athletic ability and so on.
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
A very difficult season with my youngest daughter
who was struggling withdepression and anxiety and
illness.
SPEAKER_02 (14:00):
Yeah, wow.
We could we could go on.
I mean, there were parents whowere sick, there were kids who
were sick, there are in ourlives family members who want to
transition.
And I mean, that really the listgoes on and on.
And every single one of those,well, I got married, I bought a
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house.
I mean, like all even those goodthings can have uh emotional
reactions for me that make mewant to run to food.
Sometimes I want to run to foodbecause of any kind of change,
whether it's difficult or happyor whatever.
Anyway, so we can identify withfeeling sad, feeling emotional,
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and so on.
Sometimes what we call emotionaleating, I have to really reel
this truth in.
Sometimes what I have calledemotional eating is actually
spiritual starvation.
Wow, that's so, so powerful.
Yeah, it's like I go intostarvation mode, only it's I
don't mean it physically.
My soul is just depleted.
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If I haven't spent time lettingGod fill me up, I want to fill
the void with almost anything tokeep me from feeling.
That's been a really stronghabit in my life.
Is uh it may not be food asoften as it used to be, but
scrolling or shopping or doinganything mindless so I don't
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have to feel.
But certainly it sometimes issnacks as well.
SPEAKER_00 (15:40):
Yeah.
So I mean, many of you arerelating to us, I'm thinking,
and I'm thinking, well, that'sme, well, that's me, well,
that's been me for so manyyears.
But we don't want to shameourselves for it because that's
not of God, and that goesabsolutely nowhere.
We are nowhere, nowhere good atall.
And again, there's nocondemnation in Christ.
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So get that shame out of there.
That is not from the Lord.
Let's let what is happening be asignal to go deeper with God
when we're feeling such a pullto food or to something that is
numbing us, or like you said,it's mindless.
And then afterwards, we oftenfeel worse because we spend all
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that time on something mindless.
Instead, ask, Lord, what do Ireally need right now?
But God, what do you want me togive me instead?
What's going on?
Why am I feeling this way?
And sometimes that's hard.
I mean, we get it.
It can be really hard to stop inthe moment, especially when
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we've had the same response to acertain emotion or maybe all the
emotions for so many years.
But the more you practice, themore you will see that it's
really life-giving to stop andcheck in with the Lord.
What's going on?
I wasn't drawn to food at allyesterday.
Today I want to eat everythingin the kitchen.
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What's there?
There's something there.
There's a reason for that.
SPEAKER_02 (17:13):
You know what I'd like us to do?
Let's take a moment right now,Christina, and share maybe one
or two favorite tools thatconnect us with the Lord in a
way that feels like it's fillingus up.
And, you know, asking thesequestions of the Lord, what do I
really need right now?
What do you want to give meinstead?
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Is really a wise place to start.
But you know, sometimes I havefound, and I bet you have too,
that when I'm in that placewhere I just want to scroll or I
want to eat or snack or whateverit might be, that I'm not as
willing to open my Bible andjust say, okay, God speak.
I'm not as willing.
So I've got to have somethingthat is kind of its own reward
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in some ways.
And and to be honest with you,that's one reason why we
encourage people to build anemergency kit.
Yeah.
So that when you find yourselfbacked up against a wall, going,
I want to eat my way through thehouse and the kitchen and
everything else, you havesomething you can turn to.
How would you describe theemergency basket?
SPEAKER_00 (18:17):
Yeah, that's such a great idea.
It's a wonderful tool that wehave.
So, and it doesn't have to be abasket.
It can be anything, butbasically it's a go-to, it's
something that's already there,something you prepared ahead of
time when you were notemotional, when you were not
struggling.
And so you can go to that basketand find whatever is life-giving
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for you there.
Maybe it's uh, maybe it's aspecial devotion.
Maybe it's little little cards,and you're gonna write cards of
encouragement to somebody.
Um, maybe it's, you know, wehave those adult coloring books.
Some of us like to do that.
I've been doing those during myinfusions at the hospital.
You know, it can be any numberof things.
I like to put things in therethat bring happy memories and
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joyful feelings, pictures, cardsfrom people, those kinds of
things.
Um, what do you like to put inyour emergency kit, Heidi?
SPEAKER_02 (19:11):
Yeah, I definitely like if I receive a note from
somebody that's encouraging,I'll slip it in there and reread
it during those times.
And it really helps with some ofthe lies that we were talking
about earlier to refute them.
Like, I'm all alone, nobodycares, that sort of thing.
And yet, here's a note from anyone of our amazing women,
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usually in our community,speaking truth to me about the
value they place on what weteach.
And it feels so validating andaffirming.
And also reminds me of what Ireally stand for.
So that's helpful for me.
Uh, I also like to have uh afavorite mug, and maybe I will
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put even a packet or two of myfavorite tea.
I don't like tea normally, butthere's one kind of tea I do
enjoy.
I might put it in there becausethere's something about holding
a warm mug of something that isjust so comforting and it fills
those empty places as well.
God uses that.
I think it comes back to whatdoes He use to satisfy me?
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Of course, I love having afavorite version of the Bible in
there that I don't use as oftenas the one I use regularly.
So, like I might have um, Idon't know, a living
translation.
I have a message translation ofthe Bible that I might pull out.
Again, like Christina said,might be a devotional book or it
might even be a Bible study.
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My daughter used to work forIntervarsity Press, which I was
so spoiled when she worked forthat.
She would give me all theseamazing books and Bible studies,
and there's a certain kind thatI really like, and she bought
them all for me with herdiscount and as a Christmas
present one year.
Anyway, so those are some of thethings I like to put in there.
How about you?
Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_00 (20:58):
I was thinking maybe a nice smelling candle or lotion
for your hands or justsomething, anything to engage
you in the five senses, and justto turn your heart back to the
Lord when you're just feelinglike I want to grab at something
that is not life-giving.
And then you have this wonderfulbasket or tote bag, or maybe
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it's digital, maybe it's on yourphone.
Um, although many of us aretrying not to be on our phone as
much.
Right.
I have to stay off my phone.
But for some of you, it might bemore convenient to have like a
playlist on your phone of youknow, wonderful, beautiful,
encouraging songs that that turndirect your heart back to the
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Lord.
Or I have a ton of mind renewaltools on my phone.
And so I will often go to mynotes section and open something
up, and I can just, it's rightthere.
I can just read it out loud,pray through it, engage with the
truth.
And that will turn my heart inthe most beautiful way toward
the Lord.
SPEAKER_02 (22:05):
Thank you for sharing that.
And then for me, I have to haveat the ready, at the tip of my
brain, a favorite mind renewaltool that if I haven't yet
gotten to my emergency kit, Ican just rattle off, if you
will.
That sounds so uh rote.
And it kind of is at first, butmy favorite for helping me to
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enter into God's presence and toeven want to enter into God's
presence is Lord, I love.
And I do best when it's outloud.
You know, Lord, I love how funmy dog is.
He's so fun and so cuddly.
SPEAKER_00 (22:41):
He is.
What do you love?
Lord, I love that I have seenall of my adult kids this week
and I got to spend time withthem, enjoy them, watch movies,
have conversations.
Oh, I love that so, so much.
I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (22:56):
Yeah.
Lord, I love the beautiful oaktrees that are surrounding my
home.
SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
And Lord, I love taking a walk outside and
crunching all the leaves undermy feet.
I love that sound of thosecrunchy leaves.
SPEAKER_02 (23:11):
Yeah.
I mean, we could go on and on.
And so when I'm feeling moreresistant to setting aside what
I know isn't going to satisfy,like eating when I'm not
physically hungry, if I want tobe ready to want to go to God,
that Lord, I love, I can say Ilove pizza, I love cheese that's
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melted, I love my dog, I lovehow silly the turkeys are when
they flew into the apple tree toget the apples out.
Oh my god, it was silly.
There's so many things I love.
And what it does is it it kindof melts my heart.
And then I'm mindful of the factthat my very good and great and
loving Lord has provided allthese things for me that I love.
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So it gets me over that hump ofresistance.
Um, and then any of our othermind renewal tools, of course,
but we're not gonna list thembecause we do that elsewhere.
All right, so I'm gonna ask youa question, Christina.
Okay.
Can you remember a time when youfelt non-physical hunger?
Like it was beginning to nag atyou to the point where you knew
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you were gonna give in ifsomething didn't intervene and
what helped you get throughthat.
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Yes.
Okay, so last weekend, forwhatever reason, I hit a point
where I was just incrediblydiscouraged about how poorly
I've been feeling and how hardthis cancer treatment is that
I'm in, breast cancer treatment.
Um, and I just was really,really struggling.
Um, you know how that is.
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You get to a point, you'redealing with the discouragement
for a while, and then it justkind of takes you down.
Um and I felt that very stronglylast weekend.
For whatever reason, I wasn'teven feeling my worst
physically, but I was feelingthat way emotionally.
And so what were what can I do?
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What what could I do?
What were my go-tos?
I could go to food like I'vegone to for many, many, many
years.
I could pick up my phone andmindlessly scroll.
I could watch movies and showsor listen to books, and and
there's nothing wrong with thosethings.
But I can, I could have chosento go to any of those things.
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But what I know after years ofpractice with this is that if I
am so so struggling emotionallyand I don't deal with it, it's
gonna come back even strongerafter I numb myself or after I
do something mindless.
It's gonna come back evenstronger.
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I'm gonna have to deal with it.
I know that about myself.
And so I did a number ofdifferent things.
A couple of them I sent to you,Heidi.
The first thing I felt like Ineeded to do some grieving,
which is hard.
Grieving is hard, but the tearswere coming anyway.
So I thought, let's just do it.
So I actually wrote a list ofthings that I was grieving.
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And then I talked with God andprayed through the list.
And when I couple grieving withgratitude, it comes out
life-giving.
If I get stuck in the grief, umand I just go down, down, down,
that's not gonna be life-giving.
But if I couple each each thingthat I miss with gratitude, um,
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that's gonna bring me up andthat turns my heart toward the
Lord.
And so that's mind renewal.
That's turning to him in mygrief with gratitude, knowing
that he has a plan and he'sgonna pull me through this time.
That was one of the things thatI did.
Um, another thing was a praisefest.
And that is taking God'sattributes and praising him with
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who he is, no focus at all onmyself.
And one of my favorite ways todo that recently is, Lord, I
delight.
Lord, I delight in yourgoodness.
Lord, I delight in your timing,even though I don't understand
it.
Lord, I delight in yourpromises.
Lord, I delight in the way thatyou love me and my family.
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I can go on and on and on.
And I it turns my heart, itsoftens my heart toward him.
And then I'm dealing with myemotions in a way that is
healthy.
It's gonna bring me back up whenmy focus is on him instead of
me.
I have a question for you now,Heidi.
How do you recognize when yourhunger isn't physical?
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What has God taught you in thosemoments?
SPEAKER_02 (27:50):
I have to invite him in.
That's the answer to almost allof the questions that come to my
mind.
So true.
SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
So true.
SPEAKER_02 (27:57):
Yeah.
And there are years when Ididn't do that, hasn't been like
that for a while, but now it'smuch more almost natural for me,
supernatural, we'll call itsupernatural.
Yeah.
For me to ask him, what ishappening with me?
And I'll be honest with you, um,for me, I think I go through
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this world in a state ofspiritual starvation.
I have such a deep need for theLord, such a deep need that if I
am not sitting at his feet uh inone form or another multiple
times a day, and I don't meanlike I'm a monk on a hill or
something, but I mean I I dofeel like I need to open myself
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to the Lord, invite him in, andask him to fill me up, ask him
to satisfy me.
Holy Spirit, flood all the emptyplaces, the cracks and crevices
of my heart.
And you know, scripture tells usthat when we ask for the Holy
Spirit, God the Father is goingto grant him to us.
Now, granted, we already havethe Spirit in us, but that
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overflowing, filling up thatsense so often is eroded by my
own choices that I make, whetherit's a sin issue in my life or
whether it be just settling forless than what God has for me,
or um just not taking the time,even.
I want to be flooded full of theSpirit's presence so that every
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empty crack, crevice, and holein my heart and mind, whatever,
is jammed full of his lovelylife-giving presence.
So for me, that's yeah, that'swhat God has taught me in those
moments.
And you know, my hunger, it'sreally helpful if you know your
hunger signal, but there aretimes when my hunger signal can
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be very confusing at this stageof my life.
For whatever reason, I dobelieve it's got something to do
with hormones, but I think thatGod knows.
He knows if I am a have aphysical need for fuel, and he
also knows when I'm spirituallystarving and how to best eat
whatever the need is for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
He does, he does.
Okay.
So we want to look at this interms of hunger.
Hunger is not the enemy, okay?
It's not the enemy.
It's it's really an invitationto connect with God.
SPEAKER_02 (30:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:22):
So the next time that you feel a craving that
doesn't match your body'sphysical hunger, pause, take a
little break, don't condemnyourself.
Get curious, get prayerful, andask, Lord, what do you want to
show me through this craving?
And then let him nourish you indeeper ways than food ever
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could.
SPEAKER_02 (30:48):
Yeah.
That sounds like a good idea.
Okay, so if you, listener, arewalking through a season where
your hunger feels confusing, wehope that there's something here
in this episode that has offeredclarity.
And if not clarity, then hope,maybe a bit of both would be
awesome.
Awesome.
Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (31:08):
We are so glad that you've been here today, and we
hope that you will join us forour next episode of Revelation
Within on the Go.
SPEAKER_02 (31:24):
Bye now.
Have a beautiful rest of yourweek.
Hi, and welcome to our podcast, Revelation Within
on the Go.
I am Heidi Wilton Epherson, oneof your hosts, and the owner and
lead coach of theRevelationWithin.org industry.
SPEAKER_00 (00:12):
And I'm Christina Motley, your other host, also a
Revelation Within coach, andHeidi's partner in all things
Revelation Within.
We are so happy to invite you tojoin us for this episode of
Revelation Within.
SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
Well, we are so glad you're here.
What we have on top for youtoday is a pretty deeply honest
episode.
Because let's face it, let'sjust say it.
Sometimes we think we're hungry,but it's actually not our bodies
asking for food.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
Yes.
Anybody in the room anybody inthe room, hands are going up.
All the hands are going up.
All the hands are going up.
SPEAKER_02 (01:03):
Um and so today we're talking about what happens
when our hunger is emotional orspiritual or just plain not
rooted in physical need.
Um and to be honest with you,Christine and I both know from
decades of being connected withthis ministry in some way or
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another, this can be one of themost confusing and discouraging
aspects of this journey forpeople.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (01:31):
Would you say so?
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
And I think about when I came toThin Within now, Revelation
Within, emotional eating, eatingfor any kind of emotional
reason, that was my biggeststumble, stumbling block or
obstacle.
Or I mean, I struggled with thatevery day, many times a day,
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many times a day.
Um, whether it was, you know,sadness or stress or
procrastination or I mean anynumber of things, exhaustion,
whatever, I would eat over itall the time.
We're gonna talk about thattoday, which hopefully will
really be so relevant for all ofus.
Here at Revelation Within, wealways, always, always start
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with God.
And here's always and here's thequestion he's been asking since
the Garden of Eden from Genesis3:9.
Where are you?
SPEAKER_02 (02:33):
I'm sitting in my chair at my desk in my office.
SPEAKER_00 (02:36):
Yes, and I'm sitting in my little office in in
Colorado as well.
But where are you?
Where's your heart?
Where's your mind?
Where are you?
So when I feel a craving thatisn't physical hunger, what's
really going on inside of me?
Is it loneliness?
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Is it boredom?
What about fatigue, insecurity?
I mean, I could probably list ahundred reasons why I have eaten
for so many years that it hasnothing to do with physical
hunger.
SPEAKER_02 (03:09):
Seriously.
I got your beat.
I think I could list 200.
Oh, so true.
So much of what we try to fix orsatisfy with food is actually a
longing for something so muchdeeper.
Yes.
And food is only a temporaryfix.
It's not even a fix, temporaryor otherwise, for what that
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deeper longing is longing for.
You know, it may numb us out orsoothe us for a second, but food
will never fill the ache in oursoul that is there.
There's other things that weneed to get in the habit of
turning to to fill that holethat might be present.
So let's start by looking atsome scripture together.
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Great.
Isaiah 55, verse 2.
Why spend money on what is notbread and your labor on what
does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, God says,and eat what is good, and you
will delight in the richest offair.
Well, that really hits home.
SPEAKER_00 (04:12):
Is that really in the Bible?
SPEAKER_01 (04:16):
Really?
SPEAKER_02 (04:16):
That's amazing.
It's like it's like God isasking me in this passage, why
are you settling?
Oh, yes.
You know, I mean, think aboutthat.
Emotional eating is reallytrying to buy satisfaction from
the wrong store.
It's it's a store that sellssomething else.
Oh, and God, though, is offeringreal soul-satisfying food.
SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
That's a really, really good way to look at it,
Heidi.
I like that.
Um, John 6 35 says, Then Jesusdeclared, I am the bread of
life.
He called himself bread.
I love that.
I know.
Whoever comes to me will nevergo hungry, and whoever believes
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in me will never be thirsty.
SPEAKER_02 (05:04):
So I mean, you notice those words, never in
there.
I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
Exactly.
And bread and hungry andthirsty.
But what is he really talkingabout?
Is he talking about, well,sourdough or wheat bread or I
mean, what's he talking about?
Is it gluten free?
It's not wrong to be hungry, butwe need to ask: okay, what kind
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of hunger is this that I'mexperiencing?
And then what kind ofnourishment does this hunger
really need?
SPEAKER_02 (05:38):
You know, that's so true.
I mean, really, the only kind ofhunger that physical food will
satisfy is physical hunger.
Yep, it's true.
All the other kinds of hunger.
We gotta do something different.
SPEAKER_00 (05:52):
But I've tried so hard over the years to fill that
need with food.
I've tried so hard.
Right.
It doesn't work, it doesn'twork.
It actually causes me to feelworse.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Talk about beating myself upafter, yeah.
You try to satisfy a longingwith physical food, and that
longing is not a physicallonging.
And really, we end up beatingourselves up on top of that
sideways step.
So here at Revelation Within,those of you who are listening
might know we teach about theintentions of spirit-led eating.
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Yes.
And of course, these are includethings like continuing to do my
life until I have a clear hungersignal, inviting God into my
eating experience, choosing foodthat honors my body and blesses
and honors him.
But what happens when there's nophysical hunger, just an ache of
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some kind, or maybe physicalpain?
I know a lot of us havedifferent aches and pains, and
sometimes it feels like food isthe answer to that.
Because the truth is, it doesmake us feel better for a
minute.
SPEAKER_00 (07:06):
Yeah, even half a minute, really.
I think it's about half aminute.
So that's such a good question,Heidi.
What do we do?
And I was never taught, youknow.
I mean, um, nobody taught mewhat do you do?
How do you deal with youremotions in a healthy way?
And it's like, well, ouremotions are important.
It's uh so okay, maybe I'll justdistract myself and I'll just
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like shove all the emotionsunder a rug.
And is that gonna help?
No, that doesn't help either.
So, what what is the key tothis?
And it's what we call therenewing of the mind.
SPEAKER_02 (07:41):
We I bet you've heard that before.
SPEAKER_00 (07:44):
Every single podcast we talk about mind renewal
because it is that it islife-changing, it is
transformative, and it's it'sGod's answer to this, um, which
is where we really, really wantto go.
We want to invite God in, notjust to help us eat better, but
to see more clearly what'sreally going on and to speak
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truth over the lies that havedriven us to food for years and
years and years.
SPEAKER_02 (08:14):
Yeah.
So, all right, let I'll bite.
Let what lies might be lurkingthere?
What lies might be lurkingthere?
So here are some.
And um, we've seen these liessneak into our lives when we're
emotionally or spirituallyhungry.
Okay, how about I deserve this?
Oh, really?
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Oh, um, yeah, well, I won't Iwon't act that one out because
it's obvious.
I need a treat.
Yeah, how about this will makeme feel better?
Okay, and that's tricky becauseyou know what?
It kind of is like an upgrade towhatever's going on in my life,
but it's an upgrade with a realhefty price.
(08:56):
Yeah, and then another lie thatkind of sneaks in I'm not loved.
The sleeve of cookies is gonnamake me know I'm loved.
Yeah.
No.
No.
But we tried, we've tried.
SPEAKER_00 (09:12):
If it would have worked, we would have known.
Yeah, we've really experimentedwith this for decades.
SPEAKER_02 (09:18):
Yeah.
How about I'm all alone?
God doesn't care.
Oh my goodness.
This feeling will never pass,it'll always be this way.
Oh boy, those are depressing.
SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
Yeah, they're awful.
But these lies, I mean, they areso strong, aren't they?
When they come to us in thesemoments, we are longing for
these lies to be answered withtruth.
So here comes the truth.
Let's get to the truth.
Let's not dwell on those liesbecause they are just gonna take
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us down, down, down.
But what is the truth?
Psalm 34, 18.
The Lord is close to thebrokenhearted.
That is the truth.
He's close to the brokenhearted.
So if you want to eat becauseyou're feeling brokenhearted,
the Lord is close.
He's our source for comfort.
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He's he's the best source,really the only source for the
depth of comfort that a personwho is brokenhearted needs.
And Heidi and I both get thatvery, very much.
Here's another one, Psalm 107,verse 9.
He satisfies the longing soul.
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There it is.
Yeah, I mean, this is God'sanswer.
God's answer is actuallyhimself, his answer is his own
presence for us.
Oh, that's beautiful.
How about Hebrews 13:5?
You are not alone, he will neverleave you.
And that's all over the Bible.
(10:58):
There's so many places that ittalks about God being close and
God being with us in whatever itis that we're dealing with.
He is with us, we are not aloneever.
And then Romans 8:1.
There is no condemnation inChrist.
We are not being condemned.
We are not.
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We are free from condemnation,we are free from shame.
We are free.
SPEAKER_02 (11:25):
And I don't know about you, but I have never been
able to hate myself into apositive change.
Like we sure have trials, yeah.
Why do I keep eating like thiswhen I'm sad or whatever it
might be?
And you know, just so there'scontext here, let's you and I,
Christina, rattle off some ofthe trials we've experienced in
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the last 11 years that we'veknown one another.
Oh.
And have been in this together.
All right, you name one thatyou've uh had to endure.
SPEAKER_00 (11:56):
Caregiving for my parents.
My mom had Alzheimer's 10-yearjourney.
SPEAKER_02 (12:02):
Yeah, caregiving of my very what is a good word for
it, my mother-in-law, who wasvery uncooperative.
Let's put it that way.
SPEAKER_00 (12:13):
Also caregiving for um my mother-in-law until she
passed in our home.
SPEAKER_02 (12:18):
Mm-hmm.
And uh the dissolution of myfirst marriage.
SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
Um, chronic Lyme disease.
I have had it for almost 12years.
SPEAKER_02 (13:44):
Mm-hmm.
And a massive health crisis andlosing the use of my legs and my
athletic ability and so on.
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
A very difficult season with my youngest daughter
who was struggling withdepression and anxiety and
illness.
SPEAKER_02 (14:00):
Yeah, wow.
We could we could go on.
I mean, there were parents whowere sick, there were kids who
were sick, there are in ourlives family members who want to
transition.
And I mean, that really the listgoes on and on.
And every single one of those,well, I got married, I bought a
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house.
I mean, like all even those goodthings can have uh emotional
reactions for me that make mewant to run to food.
Sometimes I want to run to foodbecause of any kind of change,
whether it's difficult or happyor whatever.
Anyway, so we can identify withfeeling sad, feeling emotional,
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and so on.
Sometimes what we call emotionaleating, I have to really reel
this truth in.
Sometimes what I have calledemotional eating is actually
spiritual starvation.
Wow, that's so, so powerful.
Yeah, it's like I go intostarvation mode, only it's I
don't mean it physically.
My soul is just depleted.
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If I haven't spent time lettingGod fill me up, I want to fill
the void with almost anything tokeep me from feeling.
That's been a really stronghabit in my life.
Is uh it may not be food asoften as it used to be, but
scrolling or shopping or doinganything mindless so I don't
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have to feel.
But certainly it sometimes issnacks as well.
SPEAKER_00 (15:40):
Yeah.
So I mean, many of you arerelating to us, I'm thinking,
and I'm thinking, well, that'sme, well, that's me, well,
that's been me for so manyyears.
But we don't want to shameourselves for it because that's
not of God, and that goesabsolutely nowhere.
We are nowhere, nowhere good atall.
And again, there's nocondemnation in Christ.
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So get that shame out of there.
That is not from the Lord.
Let's let what is happening be asignal to go deeper with God
when we're feeling such a pullto food or to something that is
numbing us, or like you said,it's mindless.
And then afterwards, we oftenfeel worse because we spend all
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that time on something mindless.
Instead, ask, Lord, what do Ireally need right now?
But God, what do you want me togive me instead?
What's going on?
Why am I feeling this way?
And sometimes that's hard.
I mean, we get it.
It can be really hard to stop inthe moment, especially when
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we've had the same response to acertain emotion or maybe all the
emotions for so many years.
But the more you practice, themore you will see that it's
really life-giving to stop andcheck in with the Lord.
What's going on?
I wasn't drawn to food at allyesterday.
Today I want to eat everythingin the kitchen.
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What's there?
There's something there.
There's a reason for that.
SPEAKER_02 (17:13):
You know what I'd like us to do?
Let's take a moment right now,Christina, and share maybe one
or two favorite tools thatconnect us with the Lord in a
way that feels like it's fillingus up.
And, you know, asking thesequestions of the Lord, what do I
really need right now?
What do you want to give meinstead?
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Is really a wise place to start.
But you know, sometimes I havefound, and I bet you have too,
that when I'm in that placewhere I just want to scroll or I
want to eat or snack or whateverit might be, that I'm not as
willing to open my Bible andjust say, okay, God speak.
I'm not as willing.
So I've got to have somethingthat is kind of its own reward
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in some ways.
And and to be honest with you,that's one reason why we
encourage people to build anemergency kit.
Yeah.
So that when you find yourselfbacked up against a wall, going,
I want to eat my way through thehouse and the kitchen and
everything else, you havesomething you can turn to.
How would you describe theemergency basket?
SPEAKER_00 (18:17):
Yeah, that's such a great idea.
It's a wonderful tool that wehave.
So, and it doesn't have to be abasket.
It can be anything, butbasically it's a go-to, it's
something that's already there,something you prepared ahead of
time when you were notemotional, when you were not
struggling.
And so you can go to that basketand find whatever is life-giving
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for you there.
Maybe it's uh, maybe it's aspecial devotion.
Maybe it's little little cards,and you're gonna write cards of
encouragement to somebody.
Um, maybe it's, you know, wehave those adult coloring books.
Some of us like to do that.
I've been doing those during myinfusions at the hospital.
You know, it can be any numberof things.
I like to put things in therethat bring happy memories and
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joyful feelings, pictures, cardsfrom people, those kinds of
things.
Um, what do you like to put inyour emergency kit, Heidi?
SPEAKER_02 (19:11):
Yeah, I definitely like if I receive a note from
somebody that's encouraging,I'll slip it in there and reread
it during those times.
And it really helps with some ofthe lies that we were talking
about earlier to refute them.
Like, I'm all alone, nobodycares, that sort of thing.
And yet, here's a note from anyone of our amazing women,
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usually in our community,speaking truth to me about the
value they place on what weteach.
And it feels so validating andaffirming.
And also reminds me of what Ireally stand for.
So that's helpful for me.
Uh, I also like to have uh afavorite mug, and maybe I will
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put even a packet or two of myfavorite tea.
I don't like tea normally, butthere's one kind of tea I do
enjoy.
I might put it in there becausethere's something about holding
a warm mug of something that isjust so comforting and it fills
those empty places as well.
God uses that.
I think it comes back to whatdoes He use to satisfy me?
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Of course, I love having afavorite version of the Bible in
there that I don't use as oftenas the one I use regularly.
So, like I might have um, Idon't know, a living
translation.
I have a message translation ofthe Bible that I might pull out.
Again, like Christina said,might be a devotional book or it
might even be a Bible study.
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My daughter used to work forIntervarsity Press, which I was
so spoiled when she worked forthat.
She would give me all theseamazing books and Bible studies,
and there's a certain kind thatI really like, and she bought
them all for me with herdiscount and as a Christmas
present one year.
Anyway, so those are some of thethings I like to put in there.
How about you?
Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_00 (20:58):
I was thinking maybe a nice smelling candle or lotion
for your hands or justsomething, anything to engage
you in the five senses, and justto turn your heart back to the
Lord when you're just feelinglike I want to grab at something
that is not life-giving.
And then you have this wonderfulbasket or tote bag, or maybe
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it's digital, maybe it's on yourphone.
Um, although many of us aretrying not to be on our phone as
much.
Right.
I have to stay off my phone.
But for some of you, it might bemore convenient to have like a
playlist on your phone of youknow, wonderful, beautiful,
encouraging songs that that turndirect your heart back to the
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Lord.
Or I have a ton of mind renewaltools on my phone.
And so I will often go to mynotes section and open something
up, and I can just, it's rightthere.
I can just read it out loud,pray through it, engage with the
truth.
And that will turn my heart inthe most beautiful way toward
the Lord.
SPEAKER_02 (22:05):
Thank you for sharing that.
And then for me, I have to haveat the ready, at the tip of my
brain, a favorite mind renewaltool that if I haven't yet
gotten to my emergency kit, Ican just rattle off, if you
will.
That sounds so uh rote.
And it kind of is at first, butmy favorite for helping me to
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enter into God's presence and toeven want to enter into God's
presence is Lord, I love.
And I do best when it's outloud.
You know, Lord, I love how funmy dog is.
He's so fun and so cuddly.
SPEAKER_00 (22:41):
He is.
What do you love?
Lord, I love that I have seenall of my adult kids this week
and I got to spend time withthem, enjoy them, watch movies,
have conversations.
Oh, I love that so, so much.
I love it.
SPEAKER_02 (22:56):
Yeah.
Lord, I love the beautiful oaktrees that are surrounding my
home.
SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
And Lord, I love taking a walk outside and
crunching all the leaves undermy feet.
I love that sound of thosecrunchy leaves.
SPEAKER_02 (23:11):
Yeah.
I mean, we could go on and on.
And so when I'm feeling moreresistant to setting aside what
I know isn't going to satisfy,like eating when I'm not
physically hungry, if I want tobe ready to want to go to God,
that Lord, I love, I can say Ilove pizza, I love cheese that's
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melted, I love my dog, I lovehow silly the turkeys are when
they flew into the apple tree toget the apples out.
Oh my god, it was silly.
There's so many things I love.
And what it does is it it kindof melts my heart.
And then I'm mindful of the factthat my very good and great and
loving Lord has provided allthese things for me that I love.
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So it gets me over that hump ofresistance.
Um, and then any of our othermind renewal tools, of course,
but we're not gonna list thembecause we do that elsewhere.
All right, so I'm gonna ask youa question, Christina.
Okay.
Can you remember a time when youfelt non-physical hunger?
Like it was beginning to nag atyou to the point where you knew
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you were gonna give in ifsomething didn't intervene and
what helped you get throughthat.
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Yes.
Okay, so last weekend, forwhatever reason, I hit a point
where I was just incrediblydiscouraged about how poorly
I've been feeling and how hardthis cancer treatment is that
I'm in, breast cancer treatment.
Um, and I just was really,really struggling.
Um, you know how that is.
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You get to a point, you'redealing with the discouragement
for a while, and then it justkind of takes you down.
Um and I felt that very stronglylast weekend.
For whatever reason, I wasn'teven feeling my worst
physically, but I was feelingthat way emotionally.
And so what were what can I do?
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What what could I do?
What were my go-tos?
I could go to food like I'vegone to for many, many, many
years.
I could pick up my phone andmindlessly scroll.
I could watch movies and showsor listen to books, and and
there's nothing wrong with thosethings.
But I can, I could have chosento go to any of those things.
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But what I know after years ofpractice with this is that if I
am so so struggling emotionallyand I don't deal with it, it's
gonna come back even strongerafter I numb myself or after I
do something mindless.
It's gonna come back evenstronger.
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I'm gonna have to deal with it.
I know that about myself.
And so I did a number ofdifferent things.
A couple of them I sent to you,Heidi.
The first thing I felt like Ineeded to do some grieving,
which is hard.
Grieving is hard, but the tearswere coming anyway.
So I thought, let's just do it.
So I actually wrote a list ofthings that I was grieving.
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And then I talked with God andprayed through the list.
And when I couple grieving withgratitude, it comes out
life-giving.
If I get stuck in the grief, umand I just go down, down, down,
that's not gonna be life-giving.
But if I couple each each thingthat I miss with gratitude, um,
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that's gonna bring me up andthat turns my heart toward the
Lord.
And so that's mind renewal.
That's turning to him in mygrief with gratitude, knowing
that he has a plan and he'sgonna pull me through this time.
That was one of the things thatI did.
Um, another thing was a praisefest.
And that is taking God'sattributes and praising him with
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who he is, no focus at all onmyself.
And one of my favorite ways todo that recently is, Lord, I
delight.
Lord, I delight in yourgoodness.
Lord, I delight in your timing,even though I don't understand
it.
Lord, I delight in yourpromises.
Lord, I delight in the way thatyou love me and my family.
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I can go on and on and on.
And I it turns my heart, itsoftens my heart toward him.
And then I'm dealing with myemotions in a way that is
healthy.
It's gonna bring me back up whenmy focus is on him instead of
me.
I have a question for you now,Heidi.
How do you recognize when yourhunger isn't physical?
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What has God taught you in thosemoments?
SPEAKER_02 (27:50):
I have to invite him in.
That's the answer to almost allof the questions that come to my
mind.
So true.
SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
So true.
SPEAKER_02 (27:57):
Yeah.
And there are years when Ididn't do that, hasn't been like
that for a while, but now it'smuch more almost natural for me,
supernatural, we'll call itsupernatural.
Yeah.
For me to ask him, what ishappening with me?
And I'll be honest with you, um,for me, I think I go through
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this world in a state ofspiritual starvation.
I have such a deep need for theLord, such a deep need that if I
am not sitting at his feet uh inone form or another multiple
times a day, and I don't meanlike I'm a monk on a hill or
something, but I mean I I dofeel like I need to open myself
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to the Lord, invite him in, andask him to fill me up, ask him
to satisfy me.
Holy Spirit, flood all the emptyplaces, the cracks and crevices
of my heart.
And you know, scripture tells usthat when we ask for the Holy
Spirit, God the Father is goingto grant him to us.
Now, granted, we already havethe Spirit in us, but that
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overflowing, filling up thatsense so often is eroded by my
own choices that I make, whetherit's a sin issue in my life or
whether it be just settling forless than what God has for me,
or um just not taking the time,even.
I want to be flooded full of theSpirit's presence so that every
(29:26):
empty crack, crevice, and holein my heart and mind, whatever,
is jammed full of his lovelylife-giving presence.
So for me, that's yeah, that'swhat God has taught me in those
moments.
And you know, my hunger, it'sreally helpful if you know your
hunger signal, but there aretimes when my hunger signal can
(29:46):
be very confusing at this stageof my life.
For whatever reason, I dobelieve it's got something to do
with hormones, but I think thatGod knows.
He knows if I am a have aphysical need for fuel, and he
also knows when I'm spirituallystarving and how to best eat
whatever the need is for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
He does, he does.
Okay.
So we want to look at this interms of hunger.
Hunger is not the enemy, okay?
It's not the enemy.
It's it's really an invitationto connect with God.
SPEAKER_02 (30:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (30:22):
So the next time that you feel a craving that
doesn't match your body'sphysical hunger, pause, take a
little break, don't condemnyourself.
Get curious, get prayerful, andask, Lord, what do you want to
show me through this craving?
And then let him nourish you indeeper ways than food ever
(30:46):
could.
SPEAKER_02 (30:48):
Yeah.
That sounds like a good idea.
Okay, so if you, listener, arewalking through a season where
your hunger feels confusing, wehope that there's something here
in this episode that has offeredclarity.
And if not clarity, then hope,maybe a bit of both would be
awesome.
Awesome.
Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (31:08):
We are so glad that you've been here today, and we
hope that you will join us forour next episode of Revelation
Within on the Go.
SPEAKER_02 (31:24):
Bye now.
Have a beautiful rest of yourweek.
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