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What if intuitive eating feels impossible not because of a lack of willpower, but because the body is trying to stay safe? Together, we unpack how trauma, chronic stress, and shame can reshape hunger cues and turn food into a fast-acting signal of relief. We talk honestly about why “just listen to your body” can backfire when the nervous system is stuck in survival mode, making cravings feel urgent and satisfaction hard to reach. Drawing from lived experience and Scripture, we connect Isaiah 55 and Jesus as the “bread of life” in John 6 to everyday moments—right there at the fridge—where food is often asked to meet needs it was never meant to carry.

At the heart of the episode is a compassionate, practical path forward. We share simple tools you can begin using today: a body-scan prayer to notice hunger and emotion without judgment, short breath prayers to help calm the nervous system, and clarifying questions that gently reveal whether you’re hungry, lonely, anxious, or overstimulated. We talk about releasing timelines, replacing self-criticism with curiosity, and practicing steadying truths like: I don’t have to fix this alone, God sees every layer of my hunger, and peace is possible. Healing isn’t instant, but it is real—and as safety grows, intuition returns, and food can become peaceful again.

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SPEAKER_00 (00:01):
Hi friends and welcome back to Revelation
Within on the Go! I'm HeidiWiles McEpherson, one of your
hosts, and the other and thelead coach chief bottle washer.
Oh I tell you, Christina!

SPEAKER_01 (00:22):
That's exactly who you are.
And I'm Christina Motley, yourother host, also a Revelation
Within and Honey's partner, andall things included model
watching.
Revelation Within.
And we're so happy to invite youto join us for this episode of
Revelation Within.
All Mupp.

SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
Sounded like Fozzie Bear.
It was a cross between Fozzieand Animal.
Animal.

SPEAKER_01 (00:54):
Yeah.
Oh, I love it.
Love the Muppets.
Love, love the Muppets.
All right.
We're so glad to be here withyou for another episode where we
press into truth, grace, and thekind leadership of God,
especially when it comes tofood, eating, and body image.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
So today, you know, one thing we have learned in the
many years of doing this andinteracting with people who need
help doing this.
Yeah.
What is this?
You know, help with food eating,body image, is that there's
something really important.
It's often misunderstood.
It's that topic of quote,intuitive eating.

unknown (01:40):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:42):
Intuitive eating.
What in the world is that?

SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
Yeah, at first glance, intuitive eating sounds
so well, intuitive.
Right.
But you know what?
That's kind of easy.
It sounds so easy.
Yeah, you just eat when you'rehungry.
Hmm.
You stop when you're no longerhungry, when you're satisfied.

(02:06):
And you honor your body and youtrust your instincts and la la
la.

SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
Yeah, it sounds so so easy, but not really.
I mean, let's be honest.
If you've ever tried to followquote unquote intuitive eating
and found yourself confused,frustrated, what about binging
even more?
Yeah.
I mean, you're just you're notalone.

(02:33):
And we want you to know you'renot alone.
And here's why.
Intuitive eating assumes thatyou can hear and trust your
body.
Trust?
Trust your body.
Yeah.
But but wait a minute, what ifyou spent years or even decades
ignoring your body's cues?

(02:55):
I mean, I'm raising my hand.
That was me.
Decades, years, or worse,disconnecting from your body
because of trauma, shame,chronic stress, any number of
reasons.
I mean, that's where this getstricky.

SPEAKER_00 (03:11):
And it's where it gets real because there's
probably not a person listeningthat can't identify in some way
with trauma, shame, or chronicstress, or some thereof.
Yes.
You know, many of us haveexperienced trauma.
Even, I mean, let's be real hereagain.

(03:32):
We all lived through the COVIDthing, right?
Yeah.
That was a worldwide trauma.
Yes, it was.
When you go to the grocery storeand the food isn't on the
shelves, I mean, yeah, it's notjust capital T trauma like abuse
or well, I guess that was acatastrophic event.
That counts.

(03:52):
I also mean like when I saytrauma, it can be emotional
neglect.
Maybe it's being ashamed aboutyour body at some point in your
life, maybe as a child, butmaybe uh by somebody you were
even married to or are marriedto, or growing up in a household
where food was used as like areward or a punishment.

(04:14):
Oh boys, I know that one.

SPEAKER_01 (04:17):
Yeah, I think this is so important to talk about
because we have so many womencome mostly women, a few men,
but we have they come to us andit seems like such an easy
concept at first.
Listen to your body and you'llbe fine.
And then it's like, why is thisso hard?

(04:40):
And then we feel like, oh,there's something wrong with me.
And then, you know, then theshame comes up all over again
because we're struggling.
So I think this is so importantto talk about.
When trauma hits of any kind,our nervous systems adapt to
survive.
That's how our bodies weredesigned.
We may freeze, yeah, by God.

(05:02):
We may freeze, disassociate, orlearn to cope with the chaos
through food.
Eating becomes, and so many ofyou I know can identify with
this.
Eating becomes more than justfueling our bodies, it becomes a
way to feel safe, a way toregulate an overwhelmed system.

SPEAKER_00 (05:26):
This really is important, you know, when we
reach for food in these moments.
We're not being rebellious orundisciplined necessarily.
Oftentimes, our bodies arecrying out, I don't feel safe.
And food is really, when youthink about it, one of the most
accessible, self-soothing toolswe know of and have access to

(05:48):
it.
And that really makes intuitiveeating complicated.
So, like if you've ever triedstraight up intuitive eating, or
if you've tried one of thealternatives that's kind of like
an intuitive eating, whether itwas thin within or even our five
intentions of spirit-led eating,these are variations of

(06:09):
intuitive eating.
You know, recognize that it'smore complicated.
If it's hard for you, you'reokay.
Our cues have been rewired byour survival strategies.
Survival doesn't mean yeah, itdoesn't mean you're out in the
wilderness and you can't findanything to eat except mushrooms
or something.

(06:29):
It's not about that.
But emotionally, our bodies werewired for peace.
And when peace is missing, wereach for something, some way,
some inner strength or innerfalse strength, if you will, to
cope, to survive, to literallysurvive.
And if you have been in anydifficult relationships, whether

(06:52):
it's home life as a child orgrowing up in other ways as
you're older or in marriage.
I mean, marriage is tough foranybody, but you know what we're
talking about that if you feelthreatened in some way, unsafe
in some way, then you haveturned to food.
And maybe that was even 10 yearsago.

(07:12):
But now intuitive eating isstill just as hard.
Yes.
Well, let's take this straightto scripture.

SPEAKER_01 (07:21):
This is this is where we always we're always
ready to go to scripture.
Isaiah 55.2, because this isthis is our source, this is our
solid foundation, this does notchange.
It is always the same.
Isaiah 55 2 says, Why spendmoney on what is not bread and
your labor on what does notsatisfy?

(07:44):
Listen, listen to me, and eatwhat is good, and you will
delight in the richest affair.
That's in the Bible, by the way.
That's in the Bible.
Okay, this passage it speaksright to the heart of our
hunger, doesn't it?
Not just physical hunger, butalso emotional and spiritual

(08:07):
hunger.
We keep going to food and itkeeps not satisfying.
Why?
Because we're asking it to dowhat only God can do.

SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
Exactly.
Jesus also tells us in John 635, I am the bread of life.
Whoever comes to me will nevergo hungry, and whoever believes
in me will never be thirsty.
Michael and I are bingewatching, if you will, the
chosen.
We started at the verybeginning, and oh my god, it is

(08:43):
delighting my so much betterthan Stranger Things.
Oh yikes.
Michael will look at me and say,Well, are we gonna do the evil
show or the good show?
I can't not watch the good showanymore.
I just love the chosen and thewoman in the well um at the well

(09:05):
where we were, and where Jesusspoke about him being the water
of life, and that he will causeus to have water springing up
within us and never be thirsty.
Then you know that's not justpoetic, and it's not just the
chosen.
He really said that.
He really did.
It's really a deep truth, a deeptruth about what our souls

(09:28):
crave.
And we may eat emotionally,yeah, that's true, when our
nervous systems feel uhdysregulated, chaotic, uh
unsettled.
But what we truly long for,because we were wired for it, is
it's connection, it's comfort,it's safety, and you know, Lord
offers all of that.

(09:51):
He sure does.
So it's the way forward we caninvite God into our broken
places, of course.
We ask him to show us what we'veused food to cope with, and and
we let him begin to untangle theknots, not just in our minds,
but in our bodies too.
And now it might mean slowingdown to notice some things.

(10:15):
Am I hungry, Lord?
Or am I lonely?
Am I reaching for food orreaching for control?
Do I feel unsafe?
Do I feel unheard?
Do I feel overstimulated?
And then instead of numbing out,we want to bring it all to him,

(10:38):
all to the Lord, and say, Hereare my broken pieces, Lord.
I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_01 (10:44):
Yes.
Well, and this is where renewingour minds comes in.
Romans 12 2 style.
We're not just changing habits,we're letting God transform our
thoughts, beliefs, and nervoussystems from the inside out over
time.
And this that's important tosay, over time, true spirit-led

(11:07):
eating becomes more intuitive.
It really does.
But I know, I know you're in arush, and I know I was in a rush
for a long, long time, but I'mjust gonna challenge you not to
rush this because now we'relistening not only to our
stomachs, but to our souls, andour souls are learning to listen

(11:30):
to God.
That's really, really important,and it's worth it's worth the
process, it's worth the wait.

SPEAKER_00 (11:38):
Yeah.
You know, in the years that Iwas doing one-on-one coaching
for Thin Within, I came acrossthat quite a bit, where people
had a deadline.
They were kind of givingthemselves and giving God where
I've got to learn how to dothis, I've got to wait for
hunger.
I'm gonna eat when I'm hungry,I'm gonna stop when I'm not
hungry anymore, and I'm going tosit down when I, you know, all

(12:00):
these keys to conscious eating,which are great.
But they then ended up feelinglike failures because they
couldn't pull it off.
And they were in a hurry, like Ihave a cruise I'm going on in
two and a half months.
Well, you know, that's not verylong to learn a way of thinking
about food eating in my bodythat I haven't thought of ever

(12:23):
before or not very often.
And I've been doing somethingelse for decades.
Yes, and practicing, practicingsomething else.
Yeah, again and again, at leastthree times a day, many of us
more times than that every day.
We've been practicing grabbingfor food, and so of course, it's
gonna be challenging and it willtake time.

(12:45):
You know, if we walk with God,if we are spirit-led in our
living, it will be a little bitmore likely that we will learn
more quickly how to bespirit-led in our eating, but
still a process because youknow, our flesh is our flesh and
it sticks to us wherever we go,and it has a will and a way, and

(13:07):
it rears its ugly head and says,Give me me.
I want that, and I want that.
Yeah, sure does.
Yeah, if you've struggled withintuitive eating and felt like a
failure, like I have in my life,it's not because something's
wrong with you.
Nope, nope, nope, nope.
You're not broken.
You've lived in a broken worldand you've learned to survive,

(13:29):
and that's pretty cool thatyou've learned to and me too.
Jesus came exactly for that.

SPEAKER_01 (13:36):
Yes.
So don't give up, you know, andit's remember that it is not
only okay, but it's really bestto slow down.
Invite God in, let him teach youhow to hear your body again, let
him soothe your nervous system,let him retrain your reflexes

(13:59):
with his peace.

SPEAKER_00 (14:01):
Yeah, in fact, a lot of times when people are just
starting to maybe they want todo the five intentions of
spirit-led eating with us atRevelation Within or some other
kind of intuitive approach.
Um, a lot of times they theywill tell us, I don't know what
hunger feels like.
And we can describe it in themany different ways people have

(14:23):
described it for us over theyears and that we share with
others how it feels for us.
But God knows your hungersignal.
God knows what hunger is foryou.
In any given moment, He can tellyou when your body needs
fueling.
And the same is true for thatstopping place, that just
enoughness.
So we don't even need our ownintuition, we just need to tap

(14:46):
into him who is all wise.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (14:50):
So you don't have to muscle your way through this,
you're not alone, and healing ispossible.
Wait, say that again.
Healing is possible.

SPEAKER_00 (15:06):
It really is, really, really is.
Yeah, Jesus said to us with man,this isn't possible, but with
God, all things are possible.
Yes, so there's some things thatwe can do to kind of get on that
page this week, maybe.
I mean, we're not we don't wantto focus on our performance, but
of course, we want to availourselves to the Lord and say,
Lord, would you come into this?

(15:27):
It's really hard for me to dothis.
I'm not sure when to eat, not toeat, and all of that.
So pray Psalm 139 verses 23 to24.
I'm gonna say that again.
Pray Psalm 139 verses 23 and 24.
And that passage says, searchme, oh God, and know my heart.

(15:50):
Test me and know my anxiousthoughts.
See if there is any offensiveway in me and lead me in the way
everlasting.
And if it were me, uh I wouldeven elaborate on that a little
bit.
Search me, God, and know myheart.
You know when I need to fuel myphysical body, you know when my
heart needs something thatphysical food won't be able to

(16:13):
meet.
And Lord, you know my anxiousthoughts.
And would you please meet theneeds of my heart, of the of my
mind, of my body, and lead me inyour way.
I want to be spirit-led.

SPEAKER_01 (16:28):
Okay, so ask God to reveal what's underneath your
eating.
Yeah, I think He loves when weask Him to help us, He loves it
because He knows that this is anarea in our lives that has
caused us a lot of angst and alot of sorrow and frustration.
And He wants to help us withthis.

(16:49):
He is ready.
Another idea is to try a bodyscan prayer.
Pause during the day, sitquietly, and ask God to show you
where tension, hunger, oremotion lives in your body.
Just notice, no judgment at all.
Just notice.
Ask God to show you, and thenjust listen.

SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
I like that.
And then renew your mind.
Maybe with truths like these, Idon't need to fix this alone.
Another truth is God, you seeevery layer of my hunger.
Make aware of those layers,Lord.
You are my bread, you are mypeace, you are my healer.

(17:34):
And tell yourself that truth orthose truths or ones like them
again and again.
And remind yourself that thiscould take a while, but that God
is on it.
He is on it with you.

SPEAKER_01 (17:46):
Yes.
So healing from emotional eatingor food trauma, it doesn't
happen overnight.
We all wish that it did.
And maybe you've prayed thatprayer a hundred million times
like I did for years, but itdoes happen in the presence of a
faithful, gentle savior wholoves your whole body, your

(18:11):
whole self, who loves your wholeself, body, mind, and spirit.

And let's just say it again: healing is absolutely possible (18:17):
undefined
with God.
Absolutely possible.
Heidi and I have seen healing inthe lives of hundreds and
hundreds of people.
Healing is possible with God.

SPEAKER_00 (18:32):
That's right.
You know, he's not asking you toget it all right either.
See, now that's reallyimportant.
He's inviting you to come closeto him.
And and maybe every time youhave the thought of, I'm just
gonna paint a picture here,you're in the line at the
grocery store, and they they dostill have grocery stores,
right?

(18:53):
I haven't been to one in ages.
Yes.
I don't order mine and it'sdelivered anyway.
Um, and there's usually thistime of year in holiday time and
beyond, especially, I mean,early in January, there's all
these promises in these tabloidsand magazines that tell us what
we need to do.
And it's tempting to grab one ofthose.

(19:15):
But anyway, he's not asking youto get it all right.
He's leaning in when you feelyourself saying those words, oh,
I could start this in January,or I could start this next week
or on Monday, or whatever itmight be.
Think of that as God'sinvitation to you to come close
right now.
Right now.
Yeah, he's inviting you toinvite him in.

SPEAKER_01 (19:38):
Yeah, don't wait, don't wait.
You're just you're gonna lovethe journey with him, and he
will bring the healing that youlong for.
He will.
We are so glad that you've beenhere today, and we would love,
love to invite you to come toour next episode of Revelation
Within.
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