May 3, 2025 • 61 mins
What really happened with Shedeur Sanders in the NFL Draft? Is Travis Hunter the next two-way superstar? And who actually makes the final call in draft rooms across the league?
The Fab Four panel dives deep into these burning questions from the 2025 NFL Draft in an unflinching, no-holds-barred discussion that reveals the complex realities behind draft day decisions. When Sanders unexpectedly fell to the fifth round, was it truly about his on-field performance at Colorado, where he went 13-11 as a starter? Or did NFL teams balk at the media circus that follows him? Our experts offer radically different perspectives – from questioning his fundamental ability to allegations of league-wide bias.
Travis Hunter's selection at #2 overall sparks passionate debate about his ceiling as both a wide receiver and cornerback. While the panel universally acknowledges his generational athletic gifts, they question whether Jacksonville can properly harness his talents and if his slight frame can withstand the punishment of playing both ways at the professional level. As one panelist boldly states, "It would be more surprising if he wasn't a Hall of Famer."
The conversation shifts to the inner workings of NFL draft rooms, exposing the power dynamics between coaches, general managers, and owners. Drawing from insider knowledge, our experts reveal how successful franchises operate versus struggling ones – "Some teams draft for clicks, we play for wins." This distinction perfectly encapsulates why certain organizations consistently draft effectively while others repeatedly miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Ride Home
Rants podcast.
This is Fitty filling in thisweek for Mike Bono, and today we
bring you the 2025 NFL DraftRecap with four very special
guests.
We got the Fab Four here todayrecapping all the things about
the NFL Draft, where we have thesix pack of questions coming
(00:20):
right at you for the hottesttopics out there post-draft.
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(00:40):
the show.
So, without further ado, I'mgoing to have our guests
introduce themselves and thenthey're going to tell you if
they've ever ridden a horse andwho is tougher Olympic
heavyweight wrestlers or proheavyweight boxers.
We're going to start with CoachGarvey.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
All right, bill Garvey, hello everybody.
Yes, I've ridden a horse horse,I think, twice in my life, a
hundred years ago um, not as a,an adult.
So I mean just, I guess it's ahalf a yes, but not as a
full-grown human being.
No, I have not and probablynever will.
Um, and then who's tougher?
(01:18):
That's a tough one, but I thinkI'm going wrestler.
Right, I think wrestling is itsown entity.
You're a different type ofperson.
I know, getting punched squarein the face is really hard, but
wrestling is just, it's adifferent gig.
Um, I just, I don't know, I gowrestler okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Uh, we're going to go with Drew.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
What's up guys?
Drew McLaughlin here.
I have not ridden a horsebefore, although I'd love to try
it.
It seems like it'd be awesomeand, in regards to the question,
I'm going to pro boxer.
Those dudes beat the crap outof each other for 45 minutes and
it's bloody and it's disgustingand it's real and I think
(02:05):
they're tough.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Okay, tony, my name's Tony and I have never ridden a
horse and I have no intentionsto at all.
And as far as who's tougher proboxers or pro wrestlers I will
say pro wrestlers.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And this is not because pro, pro heavyweight
boxers or Olympic heavyweightwrestlers.
I will say pro wrestlers, andthis is not because pro pro
heavyweight boxers or olympicheavyweight wrestlers oh, uh.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I would have to say olympic wrestlers.
I mean, you got one that becamea pro wrestler eventually and
another one that dabbled in it,so I'm still gonna go with pro
wrestlers.
It's not because I've watchedwrestling for two years olympic
wrestlers.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's not because I've watched wrestling for two years
.
Olympic wrestlers Alright,Chris, you're next.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
As Christopher Marsco here, I have had the
opportunity to ride a horsebefore and I'm going to have to
say boxers.
I think it's not as physicallydemanding, but if you could
stand in there and take thephysical abuse that you take,
you got to be one tough son of agun.
So I'm gonna say the boxer youknow it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
It's a hard thing to debate and we're not going to
debate it on the nfl recap.
But here's what I'm going tosay.
When you're a boxer, you're aheavyweight boxer.
All you know is boxing, right.
When you're an olympic wrestlerof that caliber, an olympic
heavyweight wrestler, you haveto know like grappling you've
probably dabbled in jiu-jitsu alittle bit and probably some
muay thai or something of thatbut also you're just super,
(03:36):
super strong, right, you have aton of endurance and the
physical toughness of getting onthat mat and getting thrown in
the air and body slammed on yourhead, you know, can probably
maybe a little more painful ofgetting punched in the face.
Plus and I love boxing, you knowI'm a big boxing fan nobody won
a boxing heavyweightchampionship with a broken neck.
(03:57):
Kurt angle won an olympic goldchampionship with a broken neck.
So that's where I give the nodto that.
But either way, I don't want tomeet Kurt Angle in an alleyway,
and I sure don't want to meetTyson Fury in an alleyway either
.
So I don't.
I think everybody can agree onthat.
So we're going to go right intothe questions here.
We're going to go what aboutthe horse?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Did you ride a horse?
Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
no, I I'm scared to death of horses.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm scared to death of horses.
I'm surprised you didn't onyour honeymoon or something.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
That's what I would do no, no, absolutely not.
I wouldn't ride a baby horsefrom here to the wall.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's a pony.
That's a pony.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, a baby horse, a pony?
I wouldn't even ride my littlepony.
So, no, I think horses arehorses are majestic, and I think
they're pretty, but I wouldnever get on one.
I think there's just too manythings that would could go wrong
.
Um, definitely could go wrong,but we're gonna go.
Coach garvey drew tony andmarsco on the answers of the
(04:59):
questions here, so first we'regonna have a little bit of fun,
though.
But if you had an expansionteam and you got to pick one
player from this NFL draft tostart your expansion team, with
any player, any school, anyposition, who are you picking,
or who would you have picked?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
He's the first person on the team.
Yeah, first person on the team.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, first person on the team.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
We have no other members right, nobody else.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
You're starting the team with this draft pick sugar.
I gotta ask you first.
You're the most tenured coachon the podcast I know, but this
is a tough one.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Um, I'm gonna stick to my guns of what?
Who I thought was the bestplayer in the draft, I'm.
But this is a tough one.
I'm going to stick to my gunsof who I thought was the best
player in the draft.
I'm going to Abdul Carter.
That's who I would pick.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Okay, okay, drew.
What about you on this, ifyou're at the expansion team and
you're picking one player tostart at the team with?
Who are?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
you picking.
As that guy, I'm picking oneplayer and he's my first player,
right, yeah, then I'm goingstraight for culture and setting
a culture of the team.
And if that's the case, I'mgoing from that dude from LSU
that the Patriots picked Camelsis his last name, right, the
lineman.
That dude is like he came outof the womb with the football in
his hand.
He is all about it.
(06:22):
He's all about the team.
When he said that quote, likehe's going to protect, he's
going to fight and die toprotect Drake May, I almost
became a Patriots fan just fromhearing that come out of his
mouth.
So I'm going with the cultureguy, I'm going with the dude
with the Patriots pick.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Okay, okay.
What about you, tony?
Who would?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
you have picked.
You can never go wrong with agreat two-way player and a
hardworking athlete, travisHunter.
You got somebody that can playwide receiver and can play
cornerback.
He can do it all.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Kick returner he could be the next say Devin
Hester or something.
Okay, okay.
What about you, marsco?
What are you saying on?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
this.
I was worried about everyonestealing my answer but I guess
I'll go with the chalk here.
I'm taking Cam Warren.
You address the quarterback,you address the leadership, you
address the culture.
You know, as a Browns fan, Idon't mind being in the light
right now as we are takingShadur and trading back from
(07:24):
Hunter and just the controversythat we've stirred.
But I think one of the grosslyunder-talked about things how
good Cam Ward is.
I think the Titans hit a homerun there, so he's a defensive
minded guy and what a greatquarterback to do.
To you taking Cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay, you know, for me I would say you gotta set the
culture but you gotta have asafe pick that even if they are
not phenomenal, they still willbe a good player and I think
that's a D tackle for Michigan.
Mason Graham, I think, becausehis ceiling is probably a pro
but his floor is probably reallyreally good.
(08:01):
You know, and have an 8 or 10-,12-year career and he's won a
national championship.
He played under an nfl coach in.
Jim harbaugh played under thatguy who's won a national
championship.
I think he's a tone setter.
Um, I think he'd be a good guyto go with that.
So that would just have beenbeen my guy with that.
But let's go back to coachgarvey on this one coach who do
(08:22):
you think had the best draft outof all the teams.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh, that's a good one I mean I think there were a lot
, honestly I mean, but the bestone I mean I mean honestly, I
think the issue that I have ahard time with is the other free
agent moves too right, which isstill in the back of your brain
(08:48):
, which is not the question,right, so it shouldn't really be
there.
So I think I'm going Cleveland.
Okay, so you got a lot of value.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Okay, I don't disagree with that.
You got a lot of value.
Okay, what are you saying, drew?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, I think this is a really deep draft.
So I think, like Coach Garveysaid, I think a lot of teams
improved over the weekend justby how deep this draft is.
It wasn't really star-studdedbut there's a lot of good
players in the fourth round, thefifth round, even the sixth,
seventh round.
But you know, I got to bebiased.
I do.
I think the Titans really had areally good draft and I was
(09:29):
really skeptical going into itbecause I know how they draft in
the past and it's been horrible.
It's been really bad.
But I mean, you got yourquarterback of the future.
You got a really good D end outof UCLA.
You got a top-tier safety outof Penn State.
You get a really good D and outof UCLA you got a top tier
safety at a Penn state.
You get two really goodreceivers and a minor and a dude
from Florida and even in yourlate rounds you get that running
(09:52):
back from Michigan who is abell cow.
You got a lot of guys thatcould fill in some spots here
with the team.
That's so bad.
These guys are going to getplaying time almost immediately.
So I really think they stuck totheir board and every pick they
had I was pretty excited aboutokay, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Um tony, what are you saying?
Who's that team that had thebest draft this year?
I?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm gonna have to say the browns had a pretty decent
draft this year.
You gotta need a defense to beto go with miles.
Garrett, you're gonna have oneof your rookie quarterbacks, so
they've more than exceeded theirquarterback need, and you got
another running back.
I believe they drafted tworunning backs, memory serves me
(10:39):
right.
So it looks like they'reprobably going to be in the
stages of a rebuild or somethinglike that, but I got to say the
Browns did pretty decent.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Okay, what about you, chris?
Who are you saying had the bestdraft?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
You know I'd love to say the Browns and Homer it up a
little more, but this is kindof sacrilegious in my family.
Unfortunately I'm going to haveto say the Baltimore Ravens.
I thought getting MalachiStarks as late as they did,
being a former number oneoverall recruit and very
battle-tested and proven atGeorgia, thought that was a
(11:14):
tremendous pick.
Mike Green fell to them in thesecond round for Marshall.
Reportedly he had characterissues but you know you put him
in that Ravens culture andthat's kind of exactly what they
put outside on the 3-4.
And then you look at somebodylike Emery Jones, who they got
all the way in the third round.
I mean he's a great linemanthat played a lot of games at
(11:35):
LSU.
So I think on those first threepicks alone, I mean they, they
just do what they do.
When you're a good team you getto pick from the back and take
whatever falls to you.
Damn, they're good at scoopingthem up.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You know, I think there's three, really probably
three, teams that you can makearguments for.
I would say probably numberthree is the, the Titans Cause
they didn't get a lot of depth.
So I will give you credit onthat drew.
I don't know if I'm real crazyabout the pick of cam war trying
to lead your franchise though,uh, long term um, but I thought
that everybody else they've had.
(12:10):
They got some great depthpieces that can probably help
them sooner than later.
Um, I think the browns wouldprobably be number two, um, but
I'm gonna say probably thegiants had the best draft, and
the reason is you probably gotthe best overall player in Abdul
Carter in that aspect, but yougot Jackson Dart.
Now, the great thing about thatis and even though we're just
(12:33):
talking strictly about the draftthere is no pressure on him to
play because you're behindWinston and you're behind
Russell Wilson.
So, to get that type of playerand let him sit, this could
almost be the Chad Pennington2.0.
Now, a lot of you guys are youngand Coach Garvey and I remember
, though, chad Pennington comingout.
You know he sat behind, likeRay Lucas and Vinny Testaverde,
(12:54):
for a couple years, basicallytwo years then went on, I had a
really really good career.
I think this can be the samething with Jackson Dart, but
then to get, like DariusAlexander, the big D tackle of
the Toledo Rockets, in there inthe third round.
And then you've got Cam Scadabo, who can show that he's a
really really good running backwith what he did in the college
football playoffs.
(13:14):
Maybe a little bit of PeytonHillis 2.0 in there as well.
I think the Giants got fourimpact players right away that
can play right away if needed.
Maybe Dart if he got press intoaction, but really maybe three
guys in that sense.
So, um, you know, we'll see,though I I think it was the
giants.
So talking about quarterbacks.
So it leads me into the nextquestion um, did the steelers do
(13:37):
the right thing by not draftinga quarterback early in the
draft while they wait on thedecision of aaron rogers?
Coach Garvey, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That was going to be my comment you bringing up the
Giants and having quarterbacks.
If the Steelers get Rodgers oreven Kirk Cousins and I know
Kirk Cousins failed bad inAtlanta but he's still certainly
a very capable quarterback theSteelers, I think, getting that
conversation to have a heck of adraft because of what they
picked up free agent-wise, butthat wasn't the question.
(14:07):
To that point I think so and Iguess that's kind of a cop-out
answer.
But if they get Aaron Rodgers,yes, because they addressed a
bunch of issues up front thatthey needed on defense and I
think they did it with a lot ofquality.
The one thing I'll give themright, just, they don't fold
(14:28):
under the pressure.
They stick to their thought andtheir and and what their belief
is, and they do it.
So I say yes just because ofthat.
Okay, they don't make them tillthey don't make the playoffs
and have a losing record, thenI'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
If they do that, then Mike Tomlin gets fired and I'll
be the happiest guy in theworld.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But I give them credit for sticking to their
belief.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It's hard to do.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I'll talk about it, though, but I'm not in
disagreement with you, Drew.
What do you say?
Did the Steelers do the rightthing by not drafting a
quarterback early to wait onAaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I cannot wait to hear your response to this.
I knew there would be asealer's question here at some
point.
I just can't wait to hear it.
Um, yeah, I, I think so as well.
Like coach garvey said, theygot a standard there and they
got a culture and they reallystick by to that culture through
and through, no matter what.
Um, you know one thing thingbeing a Titans fan, I knew how
you really kind of studied thisquarterback class and there
(15:29):
really wasn't any starters otherthan Cam Ward in the class.
I truly believe you know a lotof backups, but I don't think
there's too many starters.
So you know they probably satthere and thought you know, what
are we really gaining by takinga Shador Sanders right now?
What are we gaining by taking aJackson Dark, dylan Gabriel?
(15:50):
I don't think they reallythought the value was really
there and they didn't do it.
And I also think they got toknow Aaron Rodgers is coming.
If they're not going to do itfirst off.
Second off Will Howard in thesixth round.
I thought he was not that great, but I didn't think he'd go in
the sixth round.
I thought he'd go four or five.
So taking a flyer on him, younever know what's going to
happen, what he can do in a goodspot with good coaching.
(16:14):
But to your point I say no.
I think they did good by nottaking a quarterback early.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Okay, what about you, tony?
What's your answer to this?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I will have to say I think the sewers made the right
move and all signs are pointingto aaron rogers somehow finding
the signing with the steelers,somehow finding the mountain of
youth and like tom brady, andmaking the steelers top dogs
potentially.
But then again, the standardhas been the standard for the
(16:46):
past few years and if theSteelers didn't go under 500,
with all the drama and all thehead cases on their team, I
can't see them going under 500this year.
It's just the standard.
It's just the standard.
But they're gonna have to dosomething.
As far as tj watt goes, becausehe's gonna want some big boy
(17:09):
money soon okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
What about you, chris ?
What do you got on this?
Speaker 5 (17:14):
well.
As a browns fan, I'm disgustedbecause I I think they're a
great organization and they knowexactly what they're doing.
So both both scenarios here ifthey do get Aaron Rodgers or
Kirk Cousins because they didbypass a quarterback in the
draft, I don't think either ofthem have any tread on the tire
left anyway, and even though thestandard is the standard and
(17:36):
the culture is great, I thinkMike Tomlin and Steeler Nation
are finding out that when youdon't have a quarterback, it
doesn't matter how great you are, you can't go to a meaningful
level in the playoffs.
You can be good and compete andput out a good product, but you
can't compete with the Mahomesand Allens of the world when you
can't put up the points, whenyou don't have a lead
quarterback play.
(17:56):
So they're positioningthemselves this year by not
taking one of these quarterbackswhich I agree with Drew.
I didn't think any of them werethat great after Cam Ward anyway
, and I think they're settingthemselves up to draft one of
these guys next year.
I think whether they tooksomebody like the Browns took
(18:18):
Marcus Mariota I don'tunderstand that one.
Instead of doing something likethat, I think they're going to
go the veteran route.
It's a smart move nationally.
It's going to be perceived bythem and I don't think they're
going to be that good anyway.
So I think their draft pickwill be in a spot where you take
a good quarterback I mean, bigBen was what?
10, 12, somewhere in there soyou don't necessarily have to be
(18:41):
in that top five slot to getone.
So no, I think they werevalidated in what they did and
you'll see the fruit of theirdecision next year.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You know, here's what I'll say.
You know, as we've seen, whenguys leave the Steelers they've
really, really shown their truecolors Le'Veon Bell, Antonio
Brown, the way george pickensbehaves, juju smith schuster,
the issues ben roethlisbergerbrought to the team during those
(19:11):
young tomlin areas, pouncy, um,his, his issues as well.
The one thing about tomlin hekept a lot of it under wraps.
Now, whether that was himreally just getting on his guys
or the security personnelkeeping all that down or
whatever they had going on.
They did for the most part apretty good job.
(19:32):
But if you don't draft ShadurSanders, it talks about Mike.
Tomlin probably found him to beuncontrollable and the
organization couldn't controlhim.
So it says something because alot of those other guys faced
serious criminal charges oncethey left the Steelers.
So you know things were goingon there.
So I think Tomlin did the rightthing.
(19:54):
If he doesn't think he couldhave controlled him and
controlled the narrative behindwhat Sanders brings, I think
they did the right thing.
I also think that Mason Rudolphdid lead you to the playoffs a
couple years ago at the end ofthe season, so I'm pretty sure
he thinks he can probably winnine games with him.
Personality, his dad lack ofwinning, only going 13-11 in two
(20:14):
years at Colorado, or was itsomething else?
We're going to be honest andupfront and raw with this one.
So you know, Coach Garvey,you've coached a long time.
You've coached NFL caliberplayers.
(20:35):
You've coached quarterbacksthat have went to the NFL.
You've coached Division IIIplayers.
You know.
So you've seen it all in a long, long time of coaching.
What was it with Sanders inyour opinion?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I think it first starts number one with his
ability.
I just don't think it was a top10 ability.
I think I said that on thepre-draft show I questioned
whether or not he was actuallygood enough.
I think we believed he was goodenough because certain channels
tell us he is right, um, andbecause he's a good story and
(21:12):
because people tune in to watch.
I I firmly believe that.
Um again, I don't believethere's that much um to the to
to his dad thing.
I I don't believe that for asecond.
Again, I think that's 100% mediadriven.
What I do believe that couldhave turned him off is the
(21:33):
interview process.
I do 100% believe that becausethere's been enough cases now
because of social media, becausewe know so much and because all
that information is there, thatother quarterbacks go in, have
bad interviews and then theystill get picked and they don't
work out that they have learnedfrom their mistakes as a league.
(21:55):
That's the only thing that Ithink dropped him as low as he
is.
I mean I still don't think.
Do I think he's a first-rounddraft pick?
I don't know.
I'm saying no and I kind ofbelieved that before the draft.
But again, I'm in no place to.
I didn't evaluate the guy,right, I watched him play on
(22:16):
highlights because you're noteven watching that play that
much, because they're playing at12 o'clock in the afternoon or
late late at night, right, sothey're not the prime time game.
So for me to sit here and saythe value from evaluation
standpoint, I didn't evaluatethe guy.
What I watched, I thought hewas maybe slightly above average
for an NFL quarterback, right,I think he is very accurate.
(22:38):
I think he does have a littlebit of that quote unquote.
Maybe it factor like he is awinner.
There's no question about that.
I don't think his arm strengthis is nearly good enough.
But again, I sometimes dobelieve that that can be also
overrated.
As long as your arm's not weak,there's a difference.
(22:59):
But so that's what I think.
I think it's one is because,again, when was the last time an
NFL team really worried aboutmorals and ethics?
When, never, never.
It's never really happened.
We act like it does.
Joe Mason got drafted.
He punched a girl square in theface on film, right.
(23:22):
I mean, the only person whotruly got it.
There's two people in the NFLthe running back from Rutgers
for what he did, yes, and a guywho took a knee, rutgers for
what he did.
Ray Rice, yes, and a guy whotook a knee.
That's it, yeah, the only twothat I know of.
There's other ones, but theonly two mainstream, you know,
(23:45):
high-profile people that I canremember.
I could be very wrong, butthat's it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Let me ask you this, coach Garvey, just in your
opinion and for nobody thatknows the listeners and the
guests on here, coach Garveycoached Ryan Fitzpatrick at
Harvard.
Was, in your opinion, justwatching Shadur Sanders
highlights and seeing firsthandRyan Fitzpatrick is?
Is Shadur Sanders sealing RyanFitzpatrick?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
um, yeah, I think he could be there, but they
different players.
Ryan Fitzpatrick is way moreathletic than him.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Runs way better.
You know, shador might haveagain not evaluated in the men.
I mean, fitzy's arm wasn'tgreat, but it wasn't terrible.
What Fitzy was, I think, has alittle bit of that it type of
personality.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He's a guy, he's a guy, he's a guy, okay, okay, I
was just curious.
You know, think, thinking ofthat.
So, um drew, what about you?
What, what's what?
What is your thoughts, in allseriousness, about sanders and
what happened?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
yeah, just um, from you know, being a football fan
and being, you know, involved init and having the Titans
picking so high, the first kindof inkling I saw is when now we
all knew Tennessee was sayingCam Ward, but they can still
play the part and cross theirT's and dot their I's and do
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their top 30 visits and all that, and they didn't do anything
with Shador Sanders.
Now they went to his pro daybut they never brought him into
the facility and usually ifyou're going to be a top five
guy or a first-round guyquarterback-wise, still they'll
at least bring you in and havethat visit.
And they never did that.
So I thought that was kind ofweird and everything I've read
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or watched since it kind of camedown to the fact that what I
said before is there reallywasn't any starter potential in
this quarterback class.
There really wasn't.
You had Cam Ward who was thatguy, and everybody else was
viewed as a backup up now, whatit kind of came down to, what
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I've seen and think happened wasyou know, you bring eshador
sanders in and he's the, he'sthe guy in the room where he
brings, so he has so much withhim, not baggage, but he has so
much that carries with his name,he has so much that carries
with himself that he's going tobe the spotlight of it all as a
backup quarterback.
And they kind of said you don'twant your backup quarterback to
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be the front guy, you want himto be a guy that buys into the
culture, so on and so forth.
And they compared to, like that, tim Tebow when he was in new
England or wherever he was, likeyou know, he was getting the
interviews and everyone kind ofwas had the attention on the
back of quarterback, you know.
So I think the teams, the teamsreally want to deal with that?
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Probably not.
Would they rather take a DylanGabriel and have a guy just buy
into what you want?
Probably, but at some pointsomeone got to take a flyer on
the guy.
I mean, he is talented, nodoubt about it, and the Browns
was that team that did it.
I just think teams didn't wantto deal with what came with it
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in the end.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Sure, and to go back to your point about Tim Tebow,
that was when he got traded tothe jets it.
It created a circus.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Tim Tebow was the downfall of the New York jets,
not Rex Ryan, it was Tim Tebow.
It was Tim Tebow because hebrought the circus along with
them and, and and.
We haven't seen a circus quitelike Tim Tebow circus until
Shadur Sanders.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So right now, who wants to?
Who wants to deal with that?
You know what I mean.
Who wants that to be a theproblem?
And so winning games it's.
When's he gonna play?
Now, say, like he's with thebrowns.
Now, who's gonna start?
Joe flacco?
As soon as joe flacco throws apick, it's the place he's gonna
go nuts.
Put him in.
Put him in.
Put him now.
You know, I know coaches don'tlisten to it.
Buy into it, but at some pointit's gonna become an issue I
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agree, and I'll give my opinionon this at the end.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But, tony, we're going to go to you next.
What's your opinion on this?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Full disclosure.
I want Shigeru Sanders tosucceed in this.
I really do.
I'm happy that the Browns gothim.
But here's what I'm going tosay the kid's got to start being
humble.
The kid's got to tone it down alittle bit.
You know, there's nothing wrongwith the whole roly, roly roly
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celebration, but, like one of mygood friends said on a podcast
I was ironically listening toabout the nfl draft earlier this
morning, so this is actuallyperfect timing if he this roly,
roly, roly roly stuff, it worksif you're in college, it works
if you're starting, but not whenyou're the face of an NFL
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franchise.
You are being selected out of 32different teams to potentially
be the face of their franchise.
Now don't get me wrong.
His father was that dudebaseball football.
His father was that dudebaseball football.
His father was that dude.
And I have a lot of respect forcoach for, for coach prime.
But he's got to stay.
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He's got to step back and letshadur you know shadur's got let
shadur grow.
I mean, he can definitely giveshadur advice and stuff like
that.
But you can't say, oh, my sonisn't gonna go to this team, my
son isn't go to this team.
Dion said it best.
Like he said he wasn't gonnafall to a certain level because
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Dion was that dude who knew hewasn't because Dion was that
player.
It's like comparing DaleEarnhardt Sr to Dale Earnhardt
Jr.
Dale Sr 76 wins.
Seven-time champion.
Dale Earnhardt Jr was a fanfavorite 29 wins.
I believe people are going tohate me for missing the amount
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of wins he had in his career,but that's kind of like
comparing the two.
I want Shadur to succeed Him.
Speaking at my parents' almamater, john Marshall, up in
Cleveland, speaking to the youththere, that's a great start.
That really is a great startand what I'm hoping is that he
definitely takes this, that heputs the work in and proves why
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he was worthy of being drafted.
Were his stats the best?
I'm gonna say no.
He didn't exactly have the bestrecord at colorado, but I will
say I hope he succeeds and Idon't think there's been any
kind of collusion to not takehim.
He's just got to get better atinterviews.
(30:34):
When he showed up unprepared toan interview, that says to a
potential team do we really wantto take on this guy and
everything that he comes andbrings if he's not prepared?
I mean, look at his teammate,travis hunter.
Travis hunter is on the sameteam.
He went number two in the draft.
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He's a guy who's a widereceiver and cornerback.
He just keeps his.
People will talk all kind ofstuff about his girlfriend and
stuff like that, but that's allbeside the point.
Travis Hunter is a greatfootball player.
He kept his head down and justlearned to play the game.
And there have been QBs thathave had baggage before the
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Browns.
Have you know?
They had Jameis Winston.
He had baggage.
Cam Newt had baggage.
Baker Mayfield had baggage.
Some guy named Johnny Manzielhad flea flopped.
Josh Rosen first round.
He's out of the league in fouryears.
There was no, he wasn't.
Did not get Josh Rosen firstround.
He's out of the league in fouryears.
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There was no, he wasn't did notget picked in the first round
because there was some collusionto just not take him because of
his dad.
It's just.
I don't know why people aregoing to go with that.
If that was true, then Cam Wardwouldn't have been taken number
one.
That's what I gotta say aboutthat.
It wasn't collusion against him.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Okay, okay.
What about you, chris?
What are you saying on this?
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Now, Fetty, I don't know your opinion yet.
I love everybody on this panel,but I'm going to say some
things and they haven't beenreceived well in my friend
circle, so I'm just going tothrow out that.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Oh, here you go.
We've got the controversialtopics on the ride home rant.
I am not a conspiracy guywhatsoever.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
I feel like you reap what you sow and, much like Bill
stated at the beginning, I didnot evaluate him.
I used to in high school studyhall and in college and when I
didn't have a family and kidsI'd break down the film and I'd
have a real strong opinion onhim as a player.
I'm going to leave all of theplayer talk aside for this.
I just want to look at theperson Because ideally, what
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you're drafting here as an NFLquarterback is the face of your
franchise.
So, playing aside, I think wecould all agree he should have
been drafted somewhere.
Maybe.
Day one was a little lofty,really feeling my heart of
hearts.
Day two probably should havebeen somewhere in there.
Really stunned, he made it tothe fifth round.
He has never reportedly doneany drugs.
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He has no drinking problem.
He donates his time to go talkto kids, tony mentioned.
As soon as he got to Clevelandhe went and did it.
He's never been in trouble withthe law.
There's no videos of himrunning from police getting
tackled.
I hate saying this, but you knowwho runs the NFL and I'm not
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trying to make it racial, butit's 32 old white men.
What don't old white mentypically like Change flair.
Your mouth right in checks soyour butt hasn't cashed yet,
right?
They don't want a video crewaround.
They don't want his brotheraround shooting tape.
They don't like all the bling,the dancing, his dad saying some
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of the things he said pre-draft.
Now the bad interviews yeah, Imean a bad job interview should
dock you.
Like we talked about.
There's some real, less thansavory men that play in the NFL.
It is not a choir's club ofgood dudes.
And for me to sit here and seeTyler Shuck what the hell is
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Tyler Shuck one?
All he's done is get hurt.
But he's tall and has a big arm, so we're going to take a flyer
on him.
Good luck with that.
That's a joke to me, and again,not the player.
Maybe Tyler Shuck is morephysically talented than Shadur,
but you're going to tell meeverything that this kid's
accomplished.
He's a fifth-round pick.
That doesn't sit well with meIf you want to talk about.
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He's not good enough physically.
There's no elite trait.
I'll sit here, get a cup ofcoffee.
I'll get a beer.
I'll listen to that.
You cannot tell me that as aCEO type for your franchise,
he's no more valuable than afifth round pick.
I'm yelling collusion all theway home and, to be honest with
you, whether the Browns got himor not, I really think if no one
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traded up for him that he wasgoing to go undrafted so the
league could try to prove apoint to him.
So I'm happy the Browns did endup with him.
As long as it wasn't theSteelers or Ravens I'd be
cheering for him regardless, butI would really take some
convincing to tell me otherwise.
That he's worthy of afifth-round pick and not higher.
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Just with his record and howflawless it is really rubs me
the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Okay, so we've got four different opinions on that,
so I'm going to round this outand we're going to move on to
another topic here.
We're going to finish with thefinal two and the six pack of
questions.
But here's my thing.
You went 13-11 as a starter atColorado.
You were sacked the most in theNCAA in two seasons.
You did not elevate your teamto be better.
Right, great quarterbackselevate teams to be better in
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college and they will physicallydominate when they have the
physical traits.
So to Coach Garvey's point thatRyan Fitzpatrick was probably
more athletic, you know that'svalid.
Johnny Manziel more athletic, alot of other guys more athletic
.
They elevated teams.
They made them better.
If you look at who Sandersplayed, though, at Colorado,
outside of Oregon two years ago,they he played very, very
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little teams that had NFL talent.
You know what his stats wereagainst that bloodbath with the
Oregon game 23 of 33, 159 yardsand one touchdown, and he took
11 rushes for a negative 49yards.
They lost 42 to six.
He didn't elevate people aroundhim.
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I think the telltale sign ofhow overrated he was as a player
was the beatdown against theStorm and Mormons of BYU in the
bowl game, because you can'ttell me you're a great player
when BYU did not have anyoneforecasted to be drafted until
at least the fourth round andyou lost 36-14 by going 16-23
for 208 yards, two touchdowns,two interceptions.
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If you can't succeed in theteams you're playing in college
and dominate, you aren't in theBig 10, right, you're not in the
SEC, so I get it.
But if you can't dominate inthe Big 12, how are you going to
dominate in the NFL or be supersuccessful?
Speaker 5 (37:13):
So yes, Chris Real quick, wanted to chime in
because I forgot this.
He had nobody blocking for himin his leading rusher.
Both years at Colorado had 300yards for the year.
It's like asking Tim Couch tobe good in Cleveland with no
weapons.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
For sure, I'll give you that.
But you can't have a Heismanwinner on your team and only win
13 games in two years.
I hear you on that In the Big12, not the SEC, the Big 12.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
In addition, he lost to a Kansas team that had seven
losses and a Nebraska team thatalso had seven losses.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
To go against that point.
They were probably the worstcollege football team when he
got there.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I was going to say the same thing, sure.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
We'll take out.
I understand what you're sayingtoo.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Evaluating film, everyone's evaluating who he's
playing against as well.
No question, no question aboutthat, right.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I learned this Coach I was under not Coach Garvey,
but one of the other guys I wasunder told me this it's not how
good you are, it's how good iseverybody else, and everybody
else.
He played wasn't that goodoutside of Oregon and that
beatdown of BYU, but we're goingto kind of leave it at that.
So a couple different opinions.
We'll see what time says,though, about chander sanders,
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no doubt.
So, speaking of colorado, we'regoing to go with this one.
Coach garvey, what's travishunter's ceiling?
Is he as good as everyone says,and what do you think he's
going to do in the nfl?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I think he is as good as everyone says, might even be
better.
Um, it will be very interestingto see how many snaps a game he
can play at that level.
Because, again, to your pointof they didn't play anybody, yes
, he's playing both ways andplaying so many snaps His
competition was less right.
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So from that evaluationstandpoint now he is a
phenomenal, phenomenal athlete,better than his mentor, I think.
Right, because his mentor isprobably the best athlete that's
ever lived in sport, ever.
Right, bo Jackson, I guess,would be the only other one.
And maybe there's some greatbasketball player that too,
maybe Michael Jordan's close,but not really, because he
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couldn't play baseball like Dion, or Bo Jackson for that matter.
So the one thing is is thathe's a very slight human being,
but he does never take a shotsquare ever, ever in his life.
I don't think he has.
Um, so, man, I do think hisceiling is probably higher than
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what we think it is okay he's adynamic, dynamic person.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Okay, Drew.
What do you think TravisHunter's ceiling is in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I think he is.
I am amazed by what he does ona consistent basis offensively
and defensively.
Now we had this argumentyesterday in our staff locker
room what's easier?
Would you rather him be anoffensive guy and minor in
defense or a defensive guy andminor in offense?
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And we talked, we argued aboutthat for an hour and people are
throwing out.
You know it's easier to.
You know it's harder to learnan offense and where to go and
where to line up and what routeyou're running on this formation
and this play and on defense.
Hey, go man up back at and manthem up and that's it.
And then the other argument wasdefense is so much hard Coach
(40:47):
Marsco can back me up on thisdefense it's so much harder to
know scheme and fit and you knowno calls and coverages and
where you're rolling, and allthat in an offense.
You can say hey, just go run aseven seven route, go run a flag
, go run a nine.
So we thought we we probablythere for an hour is arguing
about it.
But in the end of it all, ifyou're having the topic about
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him doing both, he got to be anextraordinary athlete and an
extraordinary player and I amreally, really, really, really
upset that Jacksonville took himbecause I got to see him twice
a year now on both sides of theball when he plays the Titans.
So I'm not happy about that.
But you know he's a relevantplayer.
He's going to bring a lot ofbuzz to Jacksonville and even
though I'm a Titan spin, I can'treally wait to watch what they
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do and what he does, because ithasn't been seen in a long time
okay, tony, what?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
what are your thoughts on travis hunter in the
nfl you?
Speaker 4 (41:41):
want you get a once in a lifetime player like that
that can succeed not only onoffense and defense.
And the thing is, as I statedearlier, he's had some stuff
that has surrounded him.
People have been talking allkind of mess about his
girlfriend and stuff, his soonto be wife and stuff like that,
which he he's blocked out allthat noise, which is good for
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him to block out all that noiseand just focus on playing the
sport he loves.
And one of my good buddies upin wayne county he actually got
a chance to take photos of theirwedding or of their take their
engagement photos, which iswhich is really awesome.
I was hoping that travis wouldend up coming with cleveland,
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but you know he's got he's withjacksonville now.
I'll say, as long as he justkeeps his head down, stays
focused, doesn't get distractedand doesn't get injured, he can
have a really solid career.
He's just got to just stayhealthy and just keep his mind
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straight and surround himselfwith the right people, because
if you don't surround yourselfwith the right people, it
doesn't matter how talented youare, you can crash out in a
matter of three to four yearsand you'll be looked at as one
of the biggest nfl draft bustsof all time, which I hope that
travis hunter does not becomeokay, okay, uh.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
What about you, chris ?
What do you say on this?
Speaker 5 (43:15):
I mean tony.
Tony made great points.
I want to mention them before Iforget them.
If he keeps the right peoplearound him and keeps a level
head and, god willing, he couldstay injury free.
I think it would be moresurprising if he wasn't a Hall
of Famer.
The body control he has to beable to go high point the ball
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to be able to catch it fallingdown.
His hand strength, his abilityto snap off defenders, his
ability to you know on defensehow many corners go up.
And high point a football Imean as a defensive-minded guy
myself.
I mean normally you put yourguys that can't catch a corner
because they can still run andcover.
This guy could actually go getthe ball and turn it over for
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you.
And I find it really funny thatno one chooses to acknowledge
not you guys, just in generalthat he played in Colorado and
went both ways.
Where is there a harder placeto train, be an athlete, try to
breathe than Colorado?
He's doing all those plays inColorado, my goodness.
Now I do think he needs to bulkup a little bit because the
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league does wear on you.
It's a league of giants.
But if he could do all thosesnaps up in the elements in
Colorado and you're on theoutside like that.
You're not banging every playlike alignment, it's a lot of
seven-on-seven type stuff.
You're not necessarily in therun fit a bunch as a corner.
I don't see why he can't playboth ways.
Eight, ten years in the league,I think as you gave him a rough,
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obviously he's got to slam oneway and kind of what Coach
McLaughlin mentioned.
I think it would be harder forhim to do defense because, like
offense, you could screw up theroute.
The scramble drill there'salways a way to get you the ball
jets defense, you roll thewrong way at six and then three
people look like a jackass.
So I think it it's going to beharder for him to do defense but
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if everything falls in line hecould stay healthy.
I think he's a hall of famerokay.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Well, I'm going to throw out a couple different
things here.
So coach garvey talked about,um, you know some of the more
athletic people of all time.
So, um, you may.
People may laugh on this,people may not know, but don't
forget john elway was a secondround draft pick in major league
baseball for the new yorkyankees and was a first round
nfl draft pick, uh, during histime, and we all know what john
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elway did.
So when we're talking aboutmost athletic professional
sports people ever don't forgetJohn Elway and brilliant went to
Stanford.
So when you come from Stanford,you're built a certain type of
way because the academics comefirst there and that guy was a
two-sport standout at Stanford.
So remember that when we'retalking about super athletic
people.
So just throwing that out therefor our older fans on the
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podcast.
The second thing I'm going tothrow out is when you're
thinking about Travis Hunter,though think he's on a very,
very bad team.
He went second overall.
When you go second overall,you're not going to usually a
good team, so where is he goingto have more of an impact?
Corner ain't winning youfootball games when you're a bad
team.
Wide receiver with thequarterback they have maybe will
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help you win games.
If he's playing corner, heain't helping you win games.
You're going to be four and 13.
So what's more importantWinning games, playing wide
receiver and maybe dabbling incorner, or playing corner and
losing games because you have nooffense?
So that's the way you have tofigure it out too.
Um, I would say you know henever really went against elite
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receivers in college outside ofmaybe oregon with the offense
they had there.
Now I don't know his statsstats against oregon, but to
lose 42 to 6, I'm probably sureyour stats weren't very good,
especially if sand Sanders didnot throw very much that game.
So that's kind of a tell of thetape on that.
He had a little bit moresuccess against the BYU game
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offensively, maybe defensivelytoo.
So I think you've got to saytoo it's a tell of the tape of
who you're playing.
I think he can be very, verygood.
Is he going to play both waysfor his whole career?
Probably not, because guys likeChris Gamble tried that, played
at Ohio State against muchhigher competition.
Chris Gamble couldn't hold upin the NFL doing that built the
same way, and probably one ofthe last guys to do it out of
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necessity was Troy Brown duringthe Patriots playoff runs way,
way back in the day, and TroyBrown was a receiver first and a
DB second.
So time will tell.
I think he'll be good on bothsides of the ball, but I think
if he wants to be great, heneeds to be a wide receiver for
the Jaguars.
Nobody pays attention tocorners on four and 13 teams.
So one of the last things I'mgoing to ask in your honest
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opinions, in your honestopinions and Tony's in the media
and Drew coaches and Chris hasbeen at YSU as a student coach
and has seen some NFL guysaround and, of course, coach
Garvey is Coach Garvey and hasseen guys come and go with the
NFL in college all around.
Who's really pulling thetrigger on the draft for NFL
players when you're with a team?
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Is it the GM, is it the owneror is it the coach who's really
drafting these guys and whoseword really matters?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Coach Garvey, we're going to go with you first oh, I
just I think it's a teamorganization thing.
Honestly, I know again, it'sprobably not a very good answer.
It's probably not answering thequestion.
I think every, every singleorganization is different, um
with where the input comes from,and then who makes the final
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decision?
Because I don't.
Did you say the owner too?
I mean, yeah, right.
I mean, when it comes down toit, I wonder, like everyone said
, again, it's something mediadriven.
Did Cleveland take?
You got all the social mediaposts of the GM and the head
coach just like kind of slowlycheering when they picked Shador
and didn't look real happyabout it?
I didn't know if that was real,I have no idea, but it
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certainly doesn't look good.
Right.
So they're saying the owner didit right.
I don't know, I I.
I think it depends on theorganization.
I think organizations havemoved from the Bill Belichick
era of I'm in charge, I doeverything to build Parcells
series, all those.
I think those days are gone.
I think there's um series, allthose, I think those days are
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gone.
I think there's um.
There's too much liability inthe whole thing.
You know what I mean, um.
But but when it comes down toit, if it's a good organization,
everybody with the owner andowners with the less, say
because you hired people to do ajob, you would hope.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
But you're also in charge.
Okay, Drew.
What do you think?
Who do you think truly ismaking these decisions for NFL
teams?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, it's a good question and actually I'm a big
Mike Braybill fan, being aTitans guy and an Ohio State guy
, and last year when he was withthe Browns he kind of did a
little media tour and did somepodcasts here and there, cause
he had the time to do it and hedid.
He was with a PFT and thoseguys and they almost asked a
very similar question that youasked like when you're in those
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draft rooms, you know what'sgoing on and he gave a pretty
honest answer and he saidessentially you have an idea of
who you want.
Everybody does and you alwayshave to have the owner sign off
on it.
You can want the scouts, thehead coach, all the coaches, the
GM to be on the same page, butif the owner doesn't sign off on
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it, you might be looking atdifferent directions.
So it seems like this is justthe Titans.
They can be different.
That's one.
The Titans, they can bedifferent.
You know that's one of 32 bedifferent anywhere else.
But it seemed like there youknow, not, you know it's Amy
Armstrong it didn't seem likeshe had any input and said you
know, put her fist down, but shehad to be okay with what they
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did, and you know that.
I think that's what it comesdown to, and you know these
owners are putting the money up,so they probably want to have
their final sign off on it, soit seems like that's the case
okay, you know, it made me thinkof this and and I'm gonna, I'm
gonna throw this out, but itmakes me think of, like, this is
nfl franchise one.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
This is superior nfl franchise two.
A lot of it goes back to whatDan Lanning said when they
played Colorado.
They play for clicks, we playfor wins, and there's NFL
franchises that draft for clicksand there's NFL organizations
that draft for wins.
Absolutely when you're worriedabout clicks and media headlines
(51:36):
, jets, browns, all the dumpsterorganizations in the nfl.
You don't care.
That's all you care about media, media, media, media.
When you make behind the doorpicks, you know that are quiet
ravens, you know steelers,falcons, teams like that.
Those are teams that care aboutwins and I think that is all
dependent on the owner.
But I think what Dan Lanningsaid people play for clicks and
(51:59):
people play for wins it is validwith NFL owners too.
But, tony, what would you say?
Who's making the draft picks?
Speaker 4 (52:06):
I would have to say the organization, the GM, talks
to the owner and says, hey, wewant to see what this guy's like
, because you definitely, inaddition to talent, in a way you
definitely have to takecharacter into consideration,
because this player that you'regoing to draft is going to be
the potential face of yourfranchise.
Not that the NFL is full ofchoir boys, but you want to get
(52:31):
somebody who at least comes theclosest to a choir boy because
they're going to be there for atleast four, four years minimum,
with the option to pick up afifth year if they do good
enough.
So I would have to say, the GMtalks to the owner and then you
definitely get the coach's inputand then you just go from there
(52:51):
.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Okay, okay, you know, I think the last choir boy the
NFL had was probably RogerStolbach, who was probably the
most clean cut person to evercome into the NFL Right out of
the Navy.
You know, clean-shaven,buzz-cut, just straight military
all the time, and that was along, long time ago.
People may not even know whoRoger Stolbach is anymore.
So, coach Garvey and I do,though, because we're old.
(53:14):
But you know another thing, andbefore Chris answers this, and
going back to Coach Garvey'spoint, you know the famous Bill
Parcells, top 10 coach of alltime, better than Mike Tomlin.
I will argue that to the day Idie.
Bill Parcells did say, thoughhe goes, if they want me to cook
in the kitchen, they got to letme at least buy groceries, and
what he meant was if you want meto be successful on the field,
(53:36):
you, if you want me to besuccessful on the field, you've
got to let me get my own players.
So just, you know saying ofwhat Bill Parcells used to say,
though, too.
So, chris, round us out on thisto end this show.
Speaker 5 (53:45):
I think the truth lies somewhere in between.
Everything I mean, I kind of Ithink we all said it it's an
organizational thing.
It's like flavors of ice cream.
Ice cream is great.
I think we could all agree onthat.
There's a variety of differentways for it to be great.
So I think, though, to answerthe question, I think the way
the most successfulorganizations have it set up is
(54:07):
that the GM is hired to pick theplayers.
He should work in footstep andlockstep with the coach.
He should present before thepick hey, we're down to these
one or two guys, what's yourpreference?
But at the end of the pick, hey, we're down to these one or two
guys, what's your preference?
But at the end of the day, it'sthe GM's final call.
And you know, I kind of look atthe owner and all this is the
grandparents sitting in therocking chair giving them the
(54:28):
five bucks to go get the icecream.
As long as there ain't no majorred flag and the coach and the
GM are on board with it, they'rea yes man.
Like you said, unless it's abad organization, we're worried
about clicks, and then they gorogue and go out on the road.
You don't see that from a goodorganization, so I don't know
much like a school runs oranything else.
You assign people to their role.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
They should communicate, but at the end of
the day, I think it should fallon the GM, Okay, okay.
Well, everybody, thank you somuch for for coming on today.
You know, uh, coach Garvey andcoach Marsco and coach
McLaughlin and Tony, you know,speaking from the media side of
things, uh, this was really,really great Our, our serious
six pack of questions.
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This is Fitty filling in thisweek for Mike Bono, and today we
bring you the 2025 NFL DraftRecap with four very special
guests.
We got the Fab Four here todayrecapping all the things about
the NFL Draft, where we have thesix pack of questions coming
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So, without further ado, I'mgoing to have our guests
introduce themselves and thenthey're going to tell you if
they've ever ridden a horse andwho is tougher Olympic
heavyweight wrestlers or proheavyweight boxers.
We're going to start with CoachGarvey.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
All right, bill Garvey, hello everybody.
Yes, I've ridden a horse horse,I think, twice in my life, a
hundred years ago um, not as a,an adult.
So I mean just, I guess it's ahalf a yes, but not as a
full-grown human being.
No, I have not and probablynever will.
Um, and then who's tougher?
(01:18):
That's a tough one, but I thinkI'm going wrestler.
Right, I think wrestling is itsown entity.
You're a different type ofperson.
I know, getting punched squarein the face is really hard, but
wrestling is just, it's adifferent gig.
Um, I just, I don't know, I gowrestler okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Uh, we're going to go with Drew.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
What's up guys?
Drew McLaughlin here.
I have not ridden a horsebefore, although I'd love to try
it.
It seems like it'd be awesomeand, in regards to the question,
I'm going to pro boxer.
Those dudes beat the crap outof each other for 45 minutes and
it's bloody and it's disgustingand it's real and I think
(02:05):
they're tough.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Okay, tony, my name's Tony and I have never ridden a
horse and I have no intentionsto at all.
And as far as who's tougher proboxers or pro wrestlers I will
say pro wrestlers.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And this is not because pro, pro heavyweight
boxers or Olympic heavyweightwrestlers.
I will say pro wrestlers, andthis is not because pro pro
heavyweight boxers or olympicheavyweight wrestlers oh, uh.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I would have to say olympic wrestlers.
I mean, you got one that becamea pro wrestler eventually and
another one that dabbled in it,so I'm still gonna go with pro
wrestlers.
It's not because I've watchedwrestling for two years olympic
wrestlers.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's not because I've watched wrestling for two years
.
Olympic wrestlers Alright,Chris, you're next.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
As Christopher Marsco here, I have had the
opportunity to ride a horsebefore and I'm going to have to
say boxers.
I think it's not as physicallydemanding, but if you could
stand in there and take thephysical abuse that you take,
you got to be one tough son of agun.
So I'm gonna say the boxer youknow it's, it's.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
It's a hard thing to debate and we're not going to
debate it on the nfl recap.
But here's what I'm going tosay.
When you're a boxer, you're aheavyweight boxer.
All you know is boxing, right.
When you're an olympic wrestlerof that caliber, an olympic
heavyweight wrestler, you haveto know like grappling you've
probably dabbled in jiu-jitsu alittle bit and probably some
muay thai or something of thatbut also you're just super,
(03:36):
super strong, right, you have aton of endurance and the
physical toughness of getting onthat mat and getting thrown in
the air and body slammed on yourhead, you know, can probably
maybe a little more painful ofgetting punched in the face.
Plus and I love boxing, you knowI'm a big boxing fan nobody won
a boxing heavyweightchampionship with a broken neck.
(03:57):
Kurt angle won an olympic goldchampionship with a broken neck.
So that's where I give the nodto that.
But either way, I don't want tomeet Kurt Angle in an alleyway,
and I sure don't want to meetTyson Fury in an alleyway either
.
So I don't.
I think everybody can agree onthat.
So we're going to go right intothe questions here.
We're going to go what aboutthe horse?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Did you ride a horse?
Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
no, I I'm scared to death of horses.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm scared to death of horses.
I'm surprised you didn't onyour honeymoon or something.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
That's what I would do no, no, absolutely not.
I wouldn't ride a baby horsefrom here to the wall.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
That's a pony.
That's a pony.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, a baby horse, a pony?
I wouldn't even ride my littlepony.
So, no, I think horses arehorses are majestic, and I think
they're pretty, but I wouldnever get on one.
I think there's just too manythings that would could go wrong
.
Um, definitely could go wrong,but we're gonna go.
Coach garvey drew tony andmarsco on the answers of the
(04:59):
questions here, so first we'regonna have a little bit of fun,
though.
But if you had an expansionteam and you got to pick one
player from this NFL draft tostart your expansion team, with
any player, any school, anyposition, who are you picking,
or who would you have picked?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
He's the first person on the team.
Yeah, first person on the team.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, first person on the team.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
We have no other members right, nobody else.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
You're starting the team with this draft pick sugar.
I gotta ask you first.
You're the most tenured coachon the podcast I know, but this
is a tough one.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Um, I'm gonna stick to my guns of what?
Who I thought was the bestplayer in the draft, I'm.
But this is a tough one.
I'm going to stick to my gunsof who I thought was the best
player in the draft.
I'm going to Abdul Carter.
That's who I would pick.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Okay, okay, drew.
What about you on this, ifyou're at the expansion team and
you're picking one player tostart at the team with?
Who are?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
you picking.
As that guy, I'm picking oneplayer and he's my first player,
right, yeah, then I'm goingstraight for culture and setting
a culture of the team.
And if that's the case, I'mgoing from that dude from LSU
that the Patriots picked Camelsis his last name, right, the
lineman.
That dude is like he came outof the womb with the football in
his hand.
He is all about it.
(06:22):
He's all about the team.
When he said that quote, likehe's going to protect, he's
going to fight and die toprotect Drake May, I almost
became a Patriots fan just fromhearing that come out of his
mouth.
So I'm going with the cultureguy, I'm going with the dude
with the Patriots pick.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Okay, okay.
What about you, tony?
Who would?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
you have picked.
You can never go wrong with agreat two-way player and a
hardworking athlete, travisHunter.
You got somebody that can playwide receiver and can play
cornerback.
He can do it all.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Kick returner he could be the next say Devin
Hester or something.
Okay, okay.
What about you, marsco?
What are you saying on?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
this.
I was worried about everyonestealing my answer but I guess
I'll go with the chalk here.
I'm taking Cam Warren.
You address the quarterback,you address the leadership, you
address the culture.
You know, as a Browns fan, Idon't mind being in the light
right now as we are takingShadur and trading back from
(07:24):
Hunter and just the controversythat we've stirred.
But I think one of the grosslyunder-talked about things how
good Cam Ward is.
I think the Titans hit a homerun there, so he's a defensive
minded guy and what a greatquarterback to do.
To you taking Cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Okay, you know, for me I would say you gotta set the
culture but you gotta have asafe pick that even if they are
not phenomenal, they still willbe a good player and I think
that's a D tackle for Michigan.
Mason Graham, I think, becausehis ceiling is probably a pro
but his floor is probably reallyreally good.
(08:01):
You know, and have an 8 or 10-,12-year career and he's won a
national championship.
He played under an nfl coach in.
Jim harbaugh played under thatguy who's won a national
championship.
I think he's a tone setter.
Um, I think he'd be a good guyto go with that.
So that would just have beenbeen my guy with that.
But let's go back to coachgarvey on this one coach who do
(08:22):
you think had the best draft outof all the teams.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Oh, that's a good one I mean I think there were a lot
, honestly I mean, but the bestone I mean I mean honestly, I
think the issue that I have ahard time with is the other free
agent moves too right, which isstill in the back of your brain
(08:48):
, which is not the question,right, so it shouldn't really be
there.
So I think I'm going Cleveland.
Okay, so you got a lot of value.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Okay, I don't disagree with that.
You got a lot of value.
Okay, what are you saying, drew?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, I think this is a really deep draft.
So I think, like Coach Garveysaid, I think a lot of teams
improved over the weekend justby how deep this draft is.
It wasn't really star-studdedbut there's a lot of good
players in the fourth round, thefifth round, even the sixth,
seventh round.
But you know, I got to bebiased.
I do.
I think the Titans really had areally good draft and I was
(09:29):
really skeptical going into itbecause I know how they draft in
the past and it's been horrible.
It's been really bad.
But I mean, you got yourquarterback of the future.
You got a really good D end outof UCLA.
You got a top-tier safety outof Penn State.
You get a really good D and outof UCLA you got a top tier
safety at a Penn state.
You get two really goodreceivers and a minor and a dude
from Florida and even in yourlate rounds you get that running
(09:52):
back from Michigan who is abell cow.
You got a lot of guys thatcould fill in some spots here
with the team.
That's so bad.
These guys are going to getplaying time almost immediately.
So I really think they stuck totheir board and every pick they
had I was pretty excited aboutokay, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Um tony, what are you saying?
Who's that team that had thebest draft this year?
I?
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I'm gonna have to say the browns had a pretty decent
draft this year.
You gotta need a defense to beto go with miles.
Garrett, you're gonna have oneof your rookie quarterbacks, so
they've more than exceeded theirquarterback need, and you got
another running back.
I believe they drafted tworunning backs, memory serves me
(10:39):
right.
So it looks like they'reprobably going to be in the
stages of a rebuild or somethinglike that, but I got to say the
Browns did pretty decent.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Okay, what about you, chris?
Who are you saying had the bestdraft?
Speaker 5 (10:53):
You know I'd love to say the Browns and Homer it up a
little more, but this is kindof sacrilegious in my family.
Unfortunately I'm going to haveto say the Baltimore Ravens.
I thought getting MalachiStarks as late as they did,
being a former number oneoverall recruit and very
battle-tested and proven atGeorgia, thought that was a
(11:14):
tremendous pick.
Mike Green fell to them in thesecond round for Marshall.
Reportedly he had characterissues but you know you put him
in that Ravens culture andthat's kind of exactly what they
put outside on the 3-4.
And then you look at somebodylike Emery Jones, who they got
all the way in the third round.
I mean he's a great linemanthat played a lot of games at
(11:35):
LSU.
So I think on those first threepicks alone, I mean they, they
just do what they do.
When you're a good team you getto pick from the back and take
whatever falls to you.
Damn, they're good at scoopingthem up.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
You know, I think there's three, really probably
three, teams that you can makearguments for.
I would say probably numberthree is the, the Titans Cause
they didn't get a lot of depth.
So I will give you credit onthat drew.
I don't know if I'm real crazyabout the pick of cam war trying
to lead your franchise though,uh, long term um, but I thought
that everybody else they've had.
(12:10):
They got some great depthpieces that can probably help
them sooner than later.
Um, I think the browns wouldprobably be number two, um, but
I'm gonna say probably thegiants had the best draft, and
the reason is you probably gotthe best overall player in Abdul
Carter in that aspect, but yougot Jackson Dart.
Now, the great thing about thatis and even though we're just
(12:33):
talking strictly about the draftthere is no pressure on him to
play because you're behindWinston and you're behind
Russell Wilson.
So, to get that type of playerand let him sit, this could
almost be the Chad Pennington2.0.
Now, a lot of you guys are youngand Coach Garvey and I remember
, though, chad Pennington comingout.
You know he sat behind, likeRay Lucas and Vinny Testaverde,
(12:54):
for a couple years, basicallytwo years then went on, I had a
really really good career.
I think this can be the samething with Jackson Dart, but
then to get, like DariusAlexander, the big D tackle of
the Toledo Rockets, in there inthe third round.
And then you've got Cam Scadabo, who can show that he's a
really really good running backwith what he did in the college
football playoffs.
(13:14):
Maybe a little bit of PeytonHillis 2.0 in there as well.
I think the Giants got fourimpact players right away that
can play right away if needed.
Maybe Dart if he got press intoaction, but really maybe three
guys in that sense.
So, um, you know, we'll see,though I I think it was the
giants.
So talking about quarterbacks.
So it leads me into the nextquestion um, did the steelers do
(13:37):
the right thing by not draftinga quarterback early in the
draft while they wait on thedecision of aaron rogers?
Coach Garvey, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
That was going to be my comment you bringing up the
Giants and having quarterbacks.
If the Steelers get Rodgers oreven Kirk Cousins and I know
Kirk Cousins failed bad inAtlanta but he's still certainly
a very capable quarterback theSteelers, I think, getting that
conversation to have a heck of adraft because of what they
picked up free agent-wise, butthat wasn't the question.
(14:07):
To that point I think so and Iguess that's kind of a cop-out
answer.
But if they get Aaron Rodgers,yes, because they addressed a
bunch of issues up front thatthey needed on defense and I
think they did it with a lot ofquality.
The one thing I'll give themright, just, they don't fold
(14:28):
under the pressure.
They stick to their thought andtheir and and what their belief
is, and they do it.
So I say yes just because ofthat.
Okay, they don't make them tillthey don't make the playoffs
and have a losing record, thenI'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
If they do that, then Mike Tomlin gets fired and I'll
be the happiest guy in theworld.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
But I give them credit for sticking to their
belief.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It's hard to do.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I'll talk about it, though, but I'm not in
disagreement with you, Drew.
What do you say?
Did the Steelers do the rightthing by not drafting a
quarterback early to wait onAaron Rodgers?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I cannot wait to hear your response to this.
I knew there would be asealer's question here at some
point.
I just can't wait to hear it.
Um, yeah, I, I think so as well.
Like coach garvey said, theygot a standard there and they
got a culture and they reallystick by to that culture through
and through, no matter what.
Um, you know one thing thingbeing a Titans fan, I knew how
you really kind of studied thisquarterback class and there
(15:29):
really wasn't any starters otherthan Cam Ward in the class.
I truly believe you know a lotof backups, but I don't think
there's too many starters.
So you know they probably satthere and thought you know, what
are we really gaining by takinga Shador Sanders right now?
What are we gaining by taking aJackson Dark, dylan Gabriel?
(15:50):
I don't think they reallythought the value was really
there and they didn't do it.
And I also think they got toknow Aaron Rodgers is coming.
If they're not going to do itfirst off.
Second off Will Howard in thesixth round.
I thought he was not that great, but I didn't think he'd go in
the sixth round.
I thought he'd go four or five.
So taking a flyer on him, younever know what's going to
happen, what he can do in a goodspot with good coaching.
(16:14):
But to your point I say no.
I think they did good by nottaking a quarterback early.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Okay, what about you, tony?
What's your answer to this?
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I will have to say I think the sewers made the right
move and all signs are pointingto aaron rogers somehow finding
the signing with the steelers,somehow finding the mountain of
youth and like tom brady, andmaking the steelers top dogs
potentially.
But then again, the standardhas been the standard for the
(16:46):
past few years and if theSteelers didn't go under 500,
with all the drama and all thehead cases on their team, I
can't see them going under 500this year.
It's just the standard.
It's just the standard.
But they're gonna have to dosomething.
As far as tj watt goes, becausehe's gonna want some big boy
(17:09):
money soon okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
What about you, chris ?
What do you got on this?
Speaker 5 (17:14):
well.
As a browns fan, I'm disgustedbecause I I think they're a
great organization and they knowexactly what they're doing.
So both both scenarios here ifthey do get Aaron Rodgers or
Kirk Cousins because they didbypass a quarterback in the
draft, I don't think either ofthem have any tread on the tire
left anyway, and even though thestandard is the standard and
(17:36):
the culture is great, I thinkMike Tomlin and Steeler Nation
are finding out that when youdon't have a quarterback, it
doesn't matter how great you are, you can't go to a meaningful
level in the playoffs.
You can be good and compete andput out a good product, but you
can't compete with the Mahomesand Allens of the world when you
can't put up the points, whenyou don't have a lead
quarterback play.
(17:56):
So they're positioningthemselves this year by not
taking one of these quarterbackswhich I agree with Drew.
I didn't think any of them werethat great after Cam Ward anyway
, and I think they're settingthemselves up to draft one of
these guys next year.
I think whether they tooksomebody like the Browns took
(18:18):
Marcus Mariota I don'tunderstand that one.
Instead of doing something likethat, I think they're going to
go the veteran route.
It's a smart move nationally.
It's going to be perceived bythem and I don't think they're
going to be that good anyway.
So I think their draft pickwill be in a spot where you take
a good quarterback I mean, bigBen was what?
10, 12, somewhere in there soyou don't necessarily have to be
(18:41):
in that top five slot to getone.
So no, I think they werevalidated in what they did and
you'll see the fruit of theirdecision next year.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You know, here's what I'll say.
You know, as we've seen, whenguys leave the Steelers they've
really, really shown their truecolors Le'Veon Bell, Antonio
Brown, the way george pickensbehaves, juju smith schuster,
the issues ben roethlisbergerbrought to the team during those
(19:11):
young tomlin areas, pouncy, um,his, his issues as well.
The one thing about tomlin hekept a lot of it under wraps.
Now, whether that was himreally just getting on his guys
or the security personnelkeeping all that down or
whatever they had going on.
They did for the most part apretty good job.
(19:32):
But if you don't draft ShadurSanders, it talks about Mike.
Tomlin probably found him to beuncontrollable and the
organization couldn't controlhim.
So it says something because alot of those other guys faced
serious criminal charges oncethey left the Steelers.
So you know things were goingon there.
So I think Tomlin did the rightthing.
(19:54):
If he doesn't think he couldhave controlled him and
controlled the narrative behindwhat Sanders brings, I think
they did the right thing.
I also think that Mason Rudolphdid lead you to the playoffs a
couple years ago at the end ofthe season, so I'm pretty sure
he thinks he can probably winnine games with him.
Personality, his dad lack ofwinning, only going 13-11 in two
(20:14):
years at Colorado, or was itsomething else?
We're going to be honest andupfront and raw with this one.
So you know, Coach Garvey,you've coached a long time.
You've coached NFL caliberplayers.
(20:35):
You've coached quarterbacksthat have went to the NFL.
You've coached Division IIIplayers.
You know.
So you've seen it all in a long, long time of coaching.
What was it with Sanders inyour opinion?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
I think it first starts number one with his
ability.
I just don't think it was a top10 ability.
I think I said that on thepre-draft show I questioned
whether or not he was actuallygood enough.
I think we believed he was goodenough because certain channels
tell us he is right, um, andbecause he's a good story and
(21:12):
because people tune in to watch.
I I firmly believe that.
Um again, I don't believethere's that much um to the to
to his dad thing.
I I don't believe that for asecond.
Again, I think that's 100% mediadriven.
What I do believe that couldhave turned him off is the
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interview process.
I do 100% believe that becausethere's been enough cases now
because of social media, becausewe know so much and because all
that information is there, thatother quarterbacks go in, have
bad interviews and then theystill get picked and they don't
work out that they have learnedfrom their mistakes as a league.
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That's the only thing that Ithink dropped him as low as he
is.
I mean I still don't think.
Do I think he's a first-rounddraft pick?
I don't know.
I'm saying no and I kind ofbelieved that before the draft.
But again, I'm in no place to.
I didn't evaluate the guy,right, I watched him play on
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highlights because you're noteven watching that play that
much, because they're playing at12 o'clock in the afternoon or
late late at night, right, sothey're not the prime time game.
So for me to sit here and saythe value from evaluation
standpoint, I didn't evaluatethe guy.
What I watched, I thought hewas maybe slightly above average
for an NFL quarterback, right,I think he is very accurate.
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I think he does have a littlebit of that quote unquote.
Maybe it factor like he is awinner.
There's no question about that.
I don't think his arm strengthis is nearly good enough.
But again, I sometimes dobelieve that that can be also
overrated.
As long as your arm's not weak,there's a difference.
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But so that's what I think.
I think it's one is because,again, when was the last time an
NFL team really worried aboutmorals and ethics?
When, never, never.
It's never really happened.
We act like it does.
Joe Mason got drafted.
He punched a girl square in theface on film, right.
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I mean, the only person whotruly got it.
There's two people in the NFLthe running back from Rutgers
for what he did, yes, and a guywho took a knee, rutgers for
what he did.
Ray Rice, yes, and a guy whotook a knee.
That's it, yeah, the only twothat I know of.
There's other ones, but theonly two mainstream, you know,
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high-profile people that I canremember.
I could be very wrong, butthat's it.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Let me ask you this, coach Garvey, just in your
opinion and for nobody thatknows the listeners and the
guests on here, coach Garveycoached Ryan Fitzpatrick at
Harvard.
Was, in your opinion, justwatching Shadur Sanders
highlights and seeing firsthandRyan Fitzpatrick is?
Is Shadur Sanders sealing RyanFitzpatrick?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
um, yeah, I think he could be there, but they
different players.
Ryan Fitzpatrick is way moreathletic than him.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Runs way better.
You know, shador might haveagain not evaluated in the men.
I mean, fitzy's arm wasn'tgreat, but it wasn't terrible.
What Fitzy was, I think, has alittle bit of that it type of
personality.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He's a guy, he's a guy, he's a guy, okay, okay, I
was just curious.
You know, think, thinking ofthat.
So, um drew, what about you?
What, what's what?
What is your thoughts, in allseriousness, about sanders and
what happened?
Speaker 3 (24:49):
yeah, just um, from you know, being a football fan
and being, you know, involved init and having the Titans
picking so high, the first kindof inkling I saw is when now we
all knew Tennessee was sayingCam Ward, but they can still
play the part and cross theirT's and dot their I's and do
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their top 30 visits and all that, and they didn't do anything
with Shador Sanders.
Now they went to his pro daybut they never brought him into
the facility and usually ifyou're going to be a top five
guy or a first-round guyquarterback-wise, still they'll
at least bring you in and havethat visit.
And they never did that.
So I thought that was kind ofweird and everything I've read
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or watched since it kind of camedown to the fact that what I
said before is there reallywasn't any starter potential in
this quarterback class.
There really wasn't.
You had Cam Ward who was thatguy, and everybody else was
viewed as a backup up now, whatit kind of came down to, what
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I've seen and think happened wasyou know, you bring eshador
sanders in and he's the, he'sthe guy in the room where he
brings, so he has so much withhim, not baggage, but he has so
much that carries with his name,he has so much that carries
with himself that he's going tobe the spotlight of it all as a
backup quarterback.
And they kind of said you don'twant your backup quarterback to
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be the front guy, you want himto be a guy that buys into the
culture, so on and so forth.
And they compared to, like that, tim Tebow when he was in new
England or wherever he was, likeyou know, he was getting the
interviews and everyone kind ofwas had the attention on the
back of quarterback, you know.
So I think the teams, the teamsreally want to deal with that?
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Probably not.
Would they rather take a DylanGabriel and have a guy just buy
into what you want?
Probably, but at some pointsomeone got to take a flyer on
the guy.
I mean, he is talented, nodoubt about it, and the Browns
was that team that did it.
I just think teams didn't wantto deal with what came with it
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in the end.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Sure, and to go back to your point about Tim Tebow,
that was when he got traded tothe jets it.
It created a circus.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Tim Tebow was the downfall of the New York jets,
not Rex Ryan, it was Tim Tebow.
It was Tim Tebow because hebrought the circus along with
them and, and and.
We haven't seen a circus quitelike Tim Tebow circus until
Shadur Sanders.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So right now, who wants to?
Who wants to deal with that?
You know what I mean.
Who wants that to be a theproblem?
And so winning games it's.
When's he gonna play?
Now, say, like he's with thebrowns.
Now, who's gonna start?
Joe flacco?
As soon as joe flacco throws apick, it's the place he's gonna
go nuts.
Put him in.
Put him in.
Put him now.
You know, I know coaches don'tlisten to it.
Buy into it, but at some pointit's gonna become an issue I
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agree, and I'll give my opinionon this at the end.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
But, tony, we're going to go to you next.
What's your opinion on this?
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Full disclosure.
I want Shigeru Sanders tosucceed in this.
I really do.
I'm happy that the Browns gothim.
But here's what I'm going tosay the kid's got to start being
humble.
The kid's got to tone it down alittle bit.
You know, there's nothing wrongwith the whole roly, roly roly
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celebration, but, like one of mygood friends said on a podcast
I was ironically listening toabout the nfl draft earlier this
morning, so this is actuallyperfect timing if he this roly,
roly, roly roly stuff, it worksif you're in college, it works
if you're starting, but not whenyou're the face of an NFL
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franchise.
You are being selected out of 32different teams to potentially
be the face of their franchise.
Now don't get me wrong.
His father was that dudebaseball football.
His father was that dudebaseball football.
His father was that dude.
And I have a lot of respect forcoach for, for coach prime.
But he's got to stay.
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He's got to step back and letshadur you know shadur's got let
shadur grow.
I mean, he can definitely giveshadur advice and stuff like
that.
But you can't say, oh, my sonisn't gonna go to this team, my
son isn't go to this team.
Dion said it best.
Like he said he wasn't gonnafall to a certain level because
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Dion was that dude who knew hewasn't because Dion was that
player.
It's like comparing DaleEarnhardt Sr to Dale Earnhardt
Jr.
Dale Sr 76 wins.
Seven-time champion.
Dale Earnhardt Jr was a fanfavorite 29 wins.
I believe people are going tohate me for missing the amount
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of wins he had in his career,but that's kind of like
comparing the two.
I want Shadur to succeed Him.
Speaking at my parents' almamater, john Marshall, up in
Cleveland, speaking to the youththere, that's a great start.
That really is a great startand what I'm hoping is that he
definitely takes this, that heputs the work in and proves why
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he was worthy of being drafted.
Were his stats the best?
I'm gonna say no.
He didn't exactly have the bestrecord at colorado, but I will
say I hope he succeeds and Idon't think there's been any
kind of collusion to not takehim.
He's just got to get better atinterviews.
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When he showed up unprepared toan interview, that says to a
potential team do we really wantto take on this guy and
everything that he comes andbrings if he's not prepared?
I mean, look at his teammate,travis hunter.
Travis hunter is on the sameteam.
He went number two in the draft.
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He's a guy who's a widereceiver and cornerback.
He just keeps his.
People will talk all kind ofstuff about his girlfriend and
stuff like that, but that's allbeside the point.
Travis Hunter is a greatfootball player.
He kept his head down and justlearned to play the game.
And there have been QBs thathave had baggage before the
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Browns.
Have you know?
They had Jameis Winston.
He had baggage.
Cam Newt had baggage.
Baker Mayfield had baggage.
Some guy named Johnny Manzielhad flea flopped.
Josh Rosen first round.
He's out of the league in fouryears.
There was no, he wasn't.
Did not get Josh Rosen firstround.
He's out of the league in fouryears.
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There was no, he wasn't did notget picked in the first round
because there was some collusionto just not take him because of
his dad.
It's just.
I don't know why people aregoing to go with that.
If that was true, then Cam Wardwouldn't have been taken number
one.
That's what I gotta say aboutthat.
It wasn't collusion against him.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Okay, okay.
What about you, chris?
What are you saying on this?
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Now, Fetty, I don't know your opinion yet.
I love everybody on this panel,but I'm going to say some
things and they haven't beenreceived well in my friend
circle, so I'm just going tothrow out that.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Oh, here you go.
We've got the controversialtopics on the ride home rant.
I am not a conspiracy guywhatsoever.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
I feel like you reap what you sow and, much like Bill
stated at the beginning, I didnot evaluate him.
I used to in high school studyhall and in college and when I
didn't have a family and kidsI'd break down the film and I'd
have a real strong opinion onhim as a player.
I'm going to leave all of theplayer talk aside for this.
I just want to look at theperson Because ideally, what
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you're drafting here as an NFLquarterback is the face of your
franchise.
So, playing aside, I think wecould all agree he should have
been drafted somewhere.
Maybe.
Day one was a little lofty,really feeling my heart of
hearts.
Day two probably should havebeen somewhere in there.
Really stunned, he made it tothe fifth round.
He has never reportedly doneany drugs.
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He has no drinking problem.
He donates his time to go talkto kids, tony mentioned.
As soon as he got to Clevelandhe went and did it.
He's never been in trouble withthe law.
There's no videos of himrunning from police getting
tackled.
I hate saying this, but you knowwho runs the NFL and I'm not
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trying to make it racial, butit's 32 old white men.
What don't old white mentypically like Change flair.
Your mouth right in checks soyour butt hasn't cashed yet,
right?
They don't want a video crewaround.
They don't want his brotheraround shooting tape.
They don't like all the bling,the dancing, his dad saying some
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of the things he said pre-draft.
Now the bad interviews yeah, Imean a bad job interview should
dock you.
Like we talked about.
There's some real, less thansavory men that play in the NFL.
It is not a choir's club ofgood dudes.
And for me to sit here and seeTyler Shuck what the hell is
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Tyler Shuck one?
All he's done is get hurt.
But he's tall and has a big arm, so we're going to take a flyer
on him.
Good luck with that.
That's a joke to me, and again,not the player.
Maybe Tyler Shuck is morephysically talented than Shadur,
but you're going to tell meeverything that this kid's
accomplished.
He's a fifth-round pick.
That doesn't sit well with meIf you want to talk about.
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He's not good enough physically.
There's no elite trait.
I'll sit here, get a cup ofcoffee.
I'll get a beer.
I'll listen to that.
You cannot tell me that as aCEO type for your franchise,
he's no more valuable than afifth round pick.
I'm yelling collusion all theway home and, to be honest with
you, whether the Browns got himor not, I really think if no one
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traded up for him that he wasgoing to go undrafted so the
league could try to prove apoint to him.
So I'm happy the Browns did endup with him.
As long as it wasn't theSteelers or Ravens I'd be
cheering for him regardless, butI would really take some
convincing to tell me otherwise.
That he's worthy of afifth-round pick and not higher.
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Just with his record and howflawless it is really rubs me
the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Okay, so we've got four different opinions on that,
so I'm going to round this outand we're going to move on to
another topic here.
We're going to finish with thefinal two and the six pack of
questions.
But here's my thing.
You went 13-11 as a starter atColorado.
You were sacked the most in theNCAA in two seasons.
You did not elevate your teamto be better.
Right, great quarterbackselevate teams to be better in
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college and they will physicallydominate when they have the
physical traits.
So to Coach Garvey's point thatRyan Fitzpatrick was probably
more athletic, you know that'svalid.
Johnny Manziel more athletic, alot of other guys more athletic
.
They elevated teams.
They made them better.
If you look at who Sandersplayed, though, at Colorado,
outside of Oregon two years ago,they he played very, very
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little teams that had NFL talent.
You know what his stats wereagainst that bloodbath with the
Oregon game 23 of 33, 159 yardsand one touchdown, and he took
11 rushes for a negative 49yards.
They lost 42 to six.
He didn't elevate people aroundhim.
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I think the telltale sign ofhow overrated he was as a player
was the beatdown against theStorm and Mormons of BYU in the
bowl game, because you can'ttell me you're a great player
when BYU did not have anyoneforecasted to be drafted until
at least the fourth round andyou lost 36-14 by going 16-23
for 208 yards, two touchdowns,two interceptions.
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If you can't succeed in theteams you're playing in college
and dominate, you aren't in theBig 10, right, you're not in the
SEC, so I get it.
But if you can't dominate inthe Big 12, how are you going to
dominate in the NFL or be supersuccessful?
Speaker 5 (37:13):
So yes, Chris Real quick, wanted to chime in
because I forgot this.
He had nobody blocking for himin his leading rusher.
Both years at Colorado had 300yards for the year.
It's like asking Tim Couch tobe good in Cleveland with no
weapons.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
For sure, I'll give you that.
But you can't have a Heismanwinner on your team and only win
13 games in two years.
I hear you on that In the Big12, not the SEC, the Big 12.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
In addition, he lost to a Kansas team that had seven
losses and a Nebraska team thatalso had seven losses.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
To go against that point.
They were probably the worstcollege football team when he
got there.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I was going to say the same thing, sure.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
We'll take out.
I understand what you're sayingtoo.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Evaluating film, everyone's evaluating who he's
playing against as well.
No question, no question aboutthat, right.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
I learned this Coach I was under not Coach Garvey,
but one of the other guys I wasunder told me this it's not how
good you are, it's how good iseverybody else, and everybody
else.
He played wasn't that goodoutside of Oregon and that
beatdown of BYU, but we're goingto kind of leave it at that.
So a couple different opinions.
We'll see what time says,though, about chander sanders,
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no doubt.
So, speaking of colorado, we'regoing to go with this one.
Coach garvey, what's travishunter's ceiling?
Is he as good as everyone says,and what do you think he's
going to do in the nfl?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I think he is as good as everyone says, might even be
better.
Um, it will be very interestingto see how many snaps a game he
can play at that level.
Because, again, to your pointof they didn't play anybody, yes
, he's playing both ways andplaying so many snaps His
competition was less right.
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So from that evaluationstandpoint now he is a
phenomenal, phenomenal athlete,better than his mentor, I think.
Right, because his mentor isprobably the best athlete that's
ever lived in sport, ever.
Right, bo Jackson, I guess,would be the only other one.
And maybe there's some greatbasketball player that too,
maybe Michael Jordan's close,but not really, because he
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couldn't play baseball like Dion, or Bo Jackson for that matter.
So the one thing is is thathe's a very slight human being,
but he does never take a shotsquare ever, ever in his life.
I don't think he has.
Um, so, man, I do think hisceiling is probably higher than
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what we think it is okay he's adynamic, dynamic person.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Okay, Drew.
What do you think TravisHunter's ceiling is in the NFL?
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I think he is.
I am amazed by what he does ona consistent basis offensively
and defensively.
Now we had this argumentyesterday in our staff locker
room what's easier?
Would you rather him be anoffensive guy and minor in
defense or a defensive guy andminor in offense?
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And we talked, we argued aboutthat for an hour and people are
throwing out.
You know it's easier to.
You know it's harder to learnan offense and where to go and
where to line up and what routeyou're running on this formation
and this play and on defense.
Hey, go man up back at and manthem up and that's it.
And then the other argument wasdefense is so much hard Coach
(40:47):
Marsco can back me up on thisdefense it's so much harder to
know scheme and fit and you knowno calls and coverages and
where you're rolling, and allthat in an offense.
You can say hey, just go run aseven seven route, go run a flag
, go run a nine.
So we thought we we probablythere for an hour is arguing
about it.
But in the end of it all, ifyou're having the topic about
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him doing both, he got to be anextraordinary athlete and an
extraordinary player and I amreally, really, really, really
upset that Jacksonville took himbecause I got to see him twice
a year now on both sides of theball when he plays the Titans.
So I'm not happy about that.
But you know he's a relevantplayer.
He's going to bring a lot ofbuzz to Jacksonville and even
though I'm a Titan spin, I can'treally wait to watch what they
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do and what he does, because ithasn't been seen in a long time
okay, tony, what?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
what are your thoughts on travis hunter in the
nfl you?
Speaker 4 (41:41):
want you get a once in a lifetime player like that
that can succeed not only onoffense and defense.
And the thing is, as I statedearlier, he's had some stuff
that has surrounded him.
People have been talking allkind of mess about his
girlfriend and stuff, his soonto be wife and stuff like that,
which he he's blocked out allthat noise, which is good for
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him to block out all that noiseand just focus on playing the
sport he loves.
And one of my good buddies upin wayne county he actually got
a chance to take photos of theirwedding or of their take their
engagement photos, which iswhich is really awesome.
I was hoping that travis wouldend up coming with cleveland,
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but you know he's got he's withjacksonville now.
I'll say, as long as he justkeeps his head down, stays
focused, doesn't get distractedand doesn't get injured, he can
have a really solid career.
He's just got to just stayhealthy and just keep his mind
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straight and surround himselfwith the right people, because
if you don't surround yourselfwith the right people, it
doesn't matter how talented youare, you can crash out in a
matter of three to four yearsand you'll be looked at as one
of the biggest nfl draft bustsof all time, which I hope that
travis hunter does not becomeokay, okay, uh.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
What about you, chris ?
What do you say on this?
Speaker 5 (43:15):
I mean tony.
Tony made great points.
I want to mention them before Iforget them.
If he keeps the right peoplearound him and keeps a level
head and, god willing, he couldstay injury free.
I think it would be moresurprising if he wasn't a Hall
of Famer.
The body control he has to beable to go high point the ball
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to be able to catch it fallingdown.
His hand strength, his abilityto snap off defenders, his
ability to you know on defensehow many corners go up.
And high point a football Imean as a defensive-minded guy
myself.
I mean normally you put yourguys that can't catch a corner
because they can still run andcover.
This guy could actually go getthe ball and turn it over for
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you.
And I find it really funny thatno one chooses to acknowledge
not you guys, just in generalthat he played in Colorado and
went both ways.
Where is there a harder placeto train, be an athlete, try to
breathe than Colorado?
He's doing all those plays inColorado, my goodness.
Now I do think he needs to bulkup a little bit because the
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league does wear on you.
It's a league of giants.
But if he could do all thosesnaps up in the elements in
Colorado and you're on theoutside like that.
You're not banging every playlike alignment, it's a lot of
seven-on-seven type stuff.
You're not necessarily in therun fit a bunch as a corner.
I don't see why he can't playboth ways.
Eight, ten years in the league,I think as you gave him a rough,
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obviously he's got to slam oneway and kind of what Coach
McLaughlin mentioned.
I think it would be harder forhim to do defense because, like
offense, you could screw up theroute.
The scramble drill there'salways a way to get you the ball
jets defense, you roll thewrong way at six and then three
people look like a jackass.
So I think it it's going to beharder for him to do defense but
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if everything falls in line hecould stay healthy.
I think he's a hall of famerokay.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Well, I'm going to throw out a couple different
things here.
So coach garvey talked about,um, you know some of the more
athletic people of all time.
So, um, you may.
People may laugh on this,people may not know, but don't
forget john elway was a secondround draft pick in major league
baseball for the new yorkyankees and was a first round
nfl draft pick, uh, during histime, and we all know what john
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elway did.
So when we're talking aboutmost athletic professional
sports people ever don't forgetJohn Elway and brilliant went to
Stanford.
So when you come from Stanford,you're built a certain type of
way because the academics comefirst there and that guy was a
two-sport standout at Stanford.
So remember that when we'retalking about super athletic
people.
So just throwing that out therefor our older fans on the
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podcast.
The second thing I'm going tothrow out is when you're
thinking about Travis Hunter,though think he's on a very,
very bad team.
He went second overall.
When you go second overall,you're not going to usually a
good team, so where is he goingto have more of an impact?
Corner ain't winning youfootball games when you're a bad
team.
Wide receiver with thequarterback they have maybe will
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help you win games.
If he's playing corner, heain't helping you win games.
You're going to be four and 13.
So what's more importantWinning games, playing wide
receiver and maybe dabbling incorner, or playing corner and
losing games because you have nooffense?
So that's the way you have tofigure it out too.
Um, I would say you know henever really went against elite
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receivers in college outside ofmaybe oregon with the offense
they had there.
Now I don't know his statsstats against oregon, but to
lose 42 to 6, I'm probably sureyour stats weren't very good,
especially if sand Sanders didnot throw very much that game.
So that's kind of a tell of thetape on that.
He had a little bit moresuccess against the BYU game
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offensively, maybe defensivelytoo.
So I think you've got to saytoo it's a tell of the tape of
who you're playing.
I think he can be very, verygood.
Is he going to play both waysfor his whole career?
Probably not, because guys likeChris Gamble tried that, played
at Ohio State against muchhigher competition.
Chris Gamble couldn't hold upin the NFL doing that built the
same way, and probably one ofthe last guys to do it out of
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necessity was Troy Brown duringthe Patriots playoff runs way,
way back in the day, and TroyBrown was a receiver first and a
DB second.
So time will tell.
I think he'll be good on bothsides of the ball, but I think
if he wants to be great, heneeds to be a wide receiver for
the Jaguars.
Nobody pays attention tocorners on four and 13 teams.
So one of the last things I'mgoing to ask in your honest
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opinions, in your honestopinions and Tony's in the media
and Drew coaches and Chris hasbeen at YSU as a student coach
and has seen some NFL guysaround and, of course, coach
Garvey is Coach Garvey and hasseen guys come and go with the
NFL in college all around.
Who's really pulling thetrigger on the draft for NFL
players when you're with a team?
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Is it the GM, is it the owneror is it the coach who's really
drafting these guys and whoseword really matters?
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Coach Garvey, we're going to go with you first oh, I
just I think it's a teamorganization thing.
Honestly, I know again, it'sprobably not a very good answer.
It's probably not answering thequestion.
I think every, every singleorganization is different, um
with where the input comes from,and then who makes the final
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decision?
Because I don't.
Did you say the owner too?
I mean, yeah, right.
I mean, when it comes down toit, I wonder, like everyone said
, again, it's something mediadriven.
Did Cleveland take?
You got all the social mediaposts of the GM and the head
coach just like kind of slowlycheering when they picked Shador
and didn't look real happyabout it?
I didn't know if that was real,I have no idea, but it
(48:59):
certainly doesn't look good.
Right.
So they're saying the owner didit right.
I don't know, I I.
I think it depends on theorganization.
I think organizations havemoved from the Bill Belichick
era of I'm in charge, I doeverything to build Parcells
series, all those.
I think those days are gone.
I think there's um series, allthose, I think those days are
(49:22):
gone.
I think there's um.
There's too much liability inthe whole thing.
You know what I mean, um.
But but when it comes down toit, if it's a good organization,
everybody with the owner andowners with the less, say
because you hired people to do ajob, you would hope.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
But you're also in charge.
Okay, Drew.
What do you think?
Who do you think truly ismaking these decisions for NFL
teams?
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, it's a good question and actually I'm a big
Mike Braybill fan, being aTitans guy and an Ohio State guy
, and last year when he was withthe Browns he kind of did a
little media tour and did somepodcasts here and there, cause
he had the time to do it and hedid.
He was with a PFT and thoseguys and they almost asked a
very similar question that youasked like when you're in those
(50:09):
draft rooms, you know what'sgoing on and he gave a pretty
honest answer and he saidessentially you have an idea of
who you want.
Everybody does and you alwayshave to have the owner sign off
on it.
You can want the scouts, thehead coach, all the coaches, the
GM to be on the same page, butif the owner doesn't sign off on
(50:33):
it, you might be looking atdifferent directions.
So it seems like this is justthe Titans.
They can be different.
That's one.
The Titans, they can bedifferent.
You know that's one of 32 bedifferent anywhere else.
But it seemed like there youknow, not, you know it's Amy
Armstrong it didn't seem likeshe had any input and said you
know, put her fist down, but shehad to be okay with what they
(50:55):
did, and you know that.
I think that's what it comesdown to, and you know these
owners are putting the money up,so they probably want to have
their final sign off on it, soit seems like that's the case
okay, you know, it made me thinkof this and and I'm gonna, I'm
gonna throw this out, but itmakes me think of, like, this is
nfl franchise one.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
This is superior nfl franchise two.
A lot of it goes back to whatDan Lanning said when they
played Colorado.
They play for clicks, we playfor wins, and there's NFL
franchises that draft for clicksand there's NFL organizations
that draft for wins.
Absolutely when you're worriedabout clicks and media headlines
(51:36):
, jets, browns, all the dumpsterorganizations in the nfl.
You don't care.
That's all you care about media, media, media, media.
When you make behind the doorpicks, you know that are quiet
ravens, you know steelers,falcons, teams like that.
Those are teams that care aboutwins and I think that is all
dependent on the owner.
But I think what Dan Lanningsaid people play for clicks and
(51:59):
people play for wins it is validwith NFL owners too.
But, tony, what would you say?
Who's making the draft picks?
Speaker 4 (52:06):
I would have to say the organization, the GM, talks
to the owner and says, hey, wewant to see what this guy's like
, because you definitely, inaddition to talent, in a way you
definitely have to takecharacter into consideration,
because this player that you'regoing to draft is going to be
the potential face of yourfranchise.
Not that the NFL is full ofchoir boys, but you want to get
(52:31):
somebody who at least comes theclosest to a choir boy because
they're going to be there for atleast four, four years minimum,
with the option to pick up afifth year if they do good
enough.
So I would have to say, the GMtalks to the owner and then you
definitely get the coach's inputand then you just go from there
(52:51):
.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Okay, okay, you know, I think the last choir boy the
NFL had was probably RogerStolbach, who was probably the
most clean cut person to evercome into the NFL Right out of
the Navy.
You know, clean-shaven,buzz-cut, just straight military
all the time, and that was along, long time ago.
People may not even know whoRoger Stolbach is anymore.
So, coach Garvey and I do,though, because we're old.
(53:14):
But you know another thing, andbefore Chris answers this, and
going back to Coach Garvey'spoint, you know the famous Bill
Parcells, top 10 coach of alltime, better than Mike Tomlin.
I will argue that to the day Idie.
Bill Parcells did say, thoughhe goes, if they want me to cook
in the kitchen, they got to letme at least buy groceries, and
what he meant was if you want meto be successful on the field,
(53:36):
you, if you want me to besuccessful on the field, you've
got to let me get my own players.
So just, you know saying ofwhat Bill Parcells used to say,
though, too.
So, chris, round us out on thisto end this show.
Speaker 5 (53:45):
I think the truth lies somewhere in between.
Everything I mean, I kind of Ithink we all said it it's an
organizational thing.
It's like flavors of ice cream.
Ice cream is great.
I think we could all agree onthat.
There's a variety of differentways for it to be great.
So I think, though, to answerthe question, I think the way
the most successfulorganizations have it set up is
(54:07):
that the GM is hired to pick theplayers.
He should work in footstep andlockstep with the coach.
He should present before thepick hey, we're down to these
one or two guys, what's yourpreference?
But at the end of the pick, hey, we're down to these one or two
guys, what's your preference?
But at the end of the day, it'sthe GM's final call.
And you know, I kind of look atthe owner and all this is the
grandparents sitting in therocking chair giving them the
(54:28):
five bucks to go get the icecream.
As long as there ain't no majorred flag and the coach and the
GM are on board with it, they'rea yes man.
Like you said, unless it's abad organization, we're worried
about clicks, and then they gorogue and go out on the road.
You don't see that from a goodorganization, so I don't know
much like a school runs oranything else.
You assign people to their role.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
They should communicate, but at the end of
the day, I think it should fallon the GM, Okay, okay.
Well, everybody, thank you somuch for for coming on today.
You know, uh, coach Garvey andcoach Marsco and coach
McLaughlin and Tony, you know,speaking from the media side of
things, uh, this was really,really great Our, our serious
six pack of questions.
I'm packing the NFL draft herewith the fab four on this week's
(55:13):
episode of the Ride Home Rantspodcast.
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the time here.
So definitely check us out thissummer as we get past this show
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