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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Ride Home
Rants podcast.
This is your special guest,host Fitty, and today we bring
you the NFL season recap, wherewe recap the season with five
fantastic guests talking abouteverything that happened and
what the future may hold.
The guests today all come fromdifferent backgrounds and, in
sports and as fans, they'regoing to give you a great
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insight to their opinions onwhat this season was all about
and it was a surprising season,to say the least.
Before we get into the show,make sure you peep all the
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support and love, just likethey show the Ride Home Rants
their support and love.
Without further ado, I'm goingto introduce our Fab Five coming
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to you from all over, really,the country, here.
They're going to give you theirname, what they currently do or
what they've done, and thentheir favorite non-alcoholic
drink.
So, mike, let's start with you.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hello, fetty Mike Worrell.
Here I've been a lot of places.
I'm from Ohio, so I've been alot of places.
I'm from Ohio, so I've coachedat Ashland University, college
of Worcester, illinois, collegeBethany, for a couple years and
currently I'm sitting inJacksonville, illinois, just
north of St Louis, not reallydoing much of anything.
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And I was a Mountain Dew guyfor years.
Now I've switched to Dr PepperCream, Soda.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Nice.
Okay, and for people that don'tknow, I'm going to brag on Mike
here for a second.
Mike is the only coach in NCAAhistory, regardless of
classification, to coach over400 basketball games, have the
national slam dunk dunk champion, regardless of classification,
and be the only coach from adivision three school to beat a
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division one school.
So mike has that over that'sawesome.
Coach k eight.
Uh, coach rup um calhoun,everybody, mike whirl has him
beat on that.
Now, jj, you have to followthat up Well that's a tough act
to follow.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Jj Phillips live in Austintown, Ohio, currently
working as a quality inspectorat Exoloy, and my favorite drink
would have to be eitherstrawberry or raspberry lemonade
.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Okay, okay, drew.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
What's up guys?
Drew McLaughlin here, Currentlya fourth grade ELA and social
studies teacher and I'mcurrently the office coordinator
at Low Bowl High School.
And my favorite non-alcoholicalcoholic drink gotta be I'm
basic coke.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I'm a coke guy okay all right, coach garth how you
doing, bill garvey, I'mcurrently the offensive
coordinator at thomas moore umin kentucky.
Really, cincinnati of your youknow um, you know, being
specific to it, favoritenon-alcoholic drink, I guess
(03:09):
I'll say Diet Mountain Dew, butI've grown to Celsius now
because I'm getting old and oldand trendy.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Coach, you're not old man.
I've only known you for almost20 years now, so you know you're
not getting old.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Now you're making me older.
I've only known you for almost20 years now.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So you know, you know you're not getting old, You're
making me older.
You know that makes me old, andCoach Garvey is too humbled to
admit this, but as an offensivecoordinator at Bethany College,
during his time there he setclose to 100 school records
individually and as a as a team.
So I'm going to brag on CoachGarvey there a little bit and
then, Dave, you want to roundthis out here.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
I'm going to brag on Coach Garve there a little bit,
and then, dave, you want toround this out here.
Yeah, dave Frank, I'm theoffensive line coach of McDowell
High School in Erie,pennsylvania, and yeah, my
favorite non-alcoholic drink hasto be coffee, preferably black
and strong, and definitely notany sort of cream or sugar, any
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of that stuff, just black.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay, my favorite non-alcoholic drink.
I mean, I'm pretty plain, Idrink water and I drink coffee.
There really ain't much inbetween there, so that's kind of
always been me.
So we're going to go Mike, JJDrew, coach Garve and then Coach
Frank rounding us with thequestions here.
So, really, first question Iwant to ask you guys Mike,
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you're going to start us out,because you were on the Super
Bowl preview show Were yousurprised at the results of the
Super Bowl, with how the Chiefsgot dominated by the Eagles?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yes and no.
I think I predicted an Eagleswin, but I also predicted an
Eagles win going down to thewire.
I'm not surprised that they won, but surprised at the
domination of the game that day.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
JJ.
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I was surprised.
I was expecting the Chiefs towin in a close game.
I was expecting the Chiefs towin in a close game.
I was really surprised on how Iknew the Chiefs would go in and
try to stop the run, which theydid.
I wasn't expecting Jalen Hurtsto have such a big game.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, drew, what was your thoughts of the game?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, I was really surprised.
When you have a chance to dohistory and three-peat and all
that and to come out the waythey did completely flat was
almost shocking to me.
In a sense, I knew it'd be agood game the Eagles had a
loaded roster but to have thechance to make history and the
way they came out was kind ofreally shocking to me.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
What about you, coach Garth?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, I'm not sure I'm shocked about the winner.
I think it's the Super Bowl, Ithink can go either way, but
certainly the dominance of theone team or, I guess, lack of
competitiveness in that game, Ithink was more the surprising
aspect of the whole thing whatabout you, coach Frank?
Speaker 6 (06:01):
yeah, so, uh, the Eagles had the formula to beat
the Chiefs, and that's beingable to only rush four and their
, uh, their front fourtremendous in Philadelphia.
And uh, they were able tocontrol the ball on offense.
The time of possession wasalmost two to one and that's the
recipe to beat Pat Mahomes keepthem off the field.
And uh, you know, kudos to AndyReid.
They've been keeping togetherwith popsicle sticks and duct
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tape all season long, with close, you know, less than one score
victories all year long.
And, um, you know they, theyjust ran into, they ran into a
big bully in the Superbowl.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know, and I was thinking about this watching the
game, you know, and PatrickMahomes, two Superbowl losses
were of just utter devastationwhere he just really really
could not elevate them toovercome Tom Brady and the bucks
, and and and and the Eagles andJalen hurts.
So for me, I think, this thenwe're not going to get into this
topic, but I think this is adamper on my homes because he
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couldn't elevate them anddominate the way.
To an extent Tom Brady did insuper bowls, but to what Joe
Montana did during histhrashings of other teams when
he was quarterback in the 49ers.
So I think to an extent maybeit might have, you know,
tarnished what Mahomes has doneand shown that he's truly can't.
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He can't elevate other peoplearound him, he just makes them
better, if that makes sense.
Second question going off ofthat Superbowl.
You know Nick Sirianni, in fourseasons, has two NFC
championship appearances, twoSuperbowl appearances, one
Superbowl win, two NFC Easttitles.
Where does Nick Sirianni rankright now in the NFL as a coach?
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And Mike, I know you're goingto say what you're going to say,
but let's all hear it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I'm going to stick to my usual Fiddy.
Right now he's the best, butafter next season.
You know, going into the SuperBowl preview, andy Reid was the
greatest of all time and Mahomeswas one of the greatest
quarterbacks.
You know they're the top two orthree in each man.
So right now Sierra Sirianni isnumber one.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay, JJ.
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
The top coaches coaching right now in the league
.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, if you compare them to the 32, the 32 head
coaches right now.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'll put them in the top five.
I will still have reed abovehim, a couple other coaches
above him, because that eaglesteam is just.
I mean, it's stack is loaded onboth sides of the ball, so he's
top five okay, what do youthink drew?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
yeah, you know, um, he's definitely top five.
You can't.
You can't deny what he's done.
Like you said, all hisaccolades that he has.
You can't deny it.
I will say, you know, thepeople say Ryan Day was born on
third base.
I think Nick Sirianni was bornhalfway to home.
He really inherited a greatroster and it'd be hard not to
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mess that up, but he did it andyou've got to give him the
credit.
So top five.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Okay, what do you say ?
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Coach Garf.
As much as it pains me to saythis because of the connection
to it, I agree with Mike.
He's the best one right nowBecause, again, I think it's a
little bit more than people givecredit for the management of
those situations and thoserosters right, and certainly the
media piece of it.
I mean everyone was calling himhow bad he was.
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He almost got fired last year.
Guy just won a Super Bowl, wentto one three years ago,
whatever it was, you know, andmanaging those players and
managing two guys that they paida ton of money and all of a
sudden they signed some guy andthey're running the ball over
close to 30 times a game andthose guys aren't getting it and
everyone wants to blame thequarterback.
And that didn't tear apart thelocker room, that's.
(09:51):
That's a lot of work rightthere and that's a hell of a job
okay, when?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
what are your thoughts on this?
Uh, coach, frank yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
So you know, I think a nfl is a what have you done
for?
Meately kind of league and Ithink Sirianni's got to be below
all those guys that have thepedigree of doing this over a
long period of time Guys likeHarbaugh and guys like Reid and
even a guy like Mike Tomlinwho's never had a losing season.
You know, because if you lookat Philadelphia, sure you had a
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guy like Doug Peterson came in,won a Super Bowl with a backup
quarterback and then they ranhim out of there a short time
later.
Sirianni was 2-2 after fourgames this year.
He had to shave his head andrally the troops and get
everything put back togetherjust to make the run this year,
and they only lost one gameafter that.
So I say good on him.
He's on a great careertrajectory.
I don't know, with his style,his fire of coaching, if that's
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something that that's got thesort of longevity that they can
match some of these other guyswho are or, you know, have done
it for five, eight, 10, 12 years, you know.
So I put them on that next step.
You know he could prove mewrong and come out and win a
couple more super bowls, but Ithink right now he's below the
rest of those guys.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Okay, and just a fun fact for everybody, if they
don't know this in four seasonsas a head coach, nick Sirianni
has the most wins in NFL historyin those four years, over all
those all-time great coaches.
Wow, yeah, there's your funfact of the day.
So I'm going to go to this onenext, because we kind of
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mentioned it here.
You know I give Mike Tomlin alot of flack.
I'll be the first one to admitthat and everybody knows, knows
that, but I'm I want to talkabout this Um, and we're going
to get your guys' opinions, buthear me out on this.
So Mike Tomlin, in his 18 years, has 12 playoff appearances.
He has seven AFC North titlesthat are a record of 103, 183,
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107, and two, so that those arekind of the accolades of things.
Mike Tomlin has only won aplayoff game in four out of 12
appearances and four out of 18total seasons in a Superbowl
championship team.
18 out of 22 starters weredrafted or signed by Bill Cowher
, including the Superbowl MVP,antonio Holmes.
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He also inherited five men whomay be in the Hall of Fame, if
not, will be in the Hall of Fame, and Troy Polamalu, hines Ward,
big Ben Roethlisberger, alanFanica and potentially James
Harrison.
Mike Tomlin also has the thirdworst winning percentage in
playoff history, right behindMarty Schottenheimer and Chuck
Knox, with a record of 7-11.
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In Bill Cowher's final sixseasons with the Steelers, bill
Cowher won 63-32, with three AFCCentral and North championships
, five 8-8 seasons or better,three AFC Championship
appearances, a Super Bowl winand seven playoff wins over four
appearances, with winning agame each season.
With that being said, there'sthe twofold question Is Mike
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Tomlin a top 10 head coach ofall time, considering that the
following coaches all won two ormore Super Bowls Belichick,
reed, flores, gibbs, parcells,Walsh, seifert, coughlin, knoll,
shula, landry, lombardi, jimmyJohnson and Mike Shanahan, and
then these four three guys havewent to four Super Bowls but
lost all of them Bud Grant, danRees with two teams and Mark
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Levy with four in a row Is MikeTomlin a top 10 head coach of
all time?
And should distillers havemoved on from Mike Tomlin this
offseason?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Mike, if everybody didn't already know, phinitty is
kind of obsessed with thissubject.
I can tell you that firsthand.
That's firsthand knowledge.
I don't know about the rankings, fitty.
I know he's won a lot of gamesand he's been in the playoffs a
lot of times.
To me that signifies that he'sdone a good job and coached a
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lot of good teams and they'realways competitive.
And I know you want to talkabout Marty Schottenheimer's
playoff record.
Marty was always competitive,had good teams and was almost
always in the playoffs.
So I don't know where tomlinfits on a list, but I but I know
he's probably a hall of famerwith that many wins, that many
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playoff appearances.
And I'm just one that doesn'tbase how great a coach is off
that one big game, that superbowl game.
I mean there's a lot of otherstuff that goes into being a
great coach in my opinion.
And I'm not a Steelers fan, soI have no opinion if they should
move on from him or not.
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I know what answer you'd likefor me to give.
No, I do want you to give yourhonest answer.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
But I will throw out this.
This is also the Steelers'longest playoff drop without a
win since pre Chuck Knoll in theearly 1960s.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So you're saying they're in a drought of some
sort?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
They're definitely in a long drought.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I'm still not sure what the question was, but I
don't know where to rank him andit was.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So is he just top 10?
Is he top 10, yes or no?
And then, should the Steelershave fired him, yes or no?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I can't.
I'm not that close and thatinvolved with the Steelers
situation.
I'm not that close and thatinvolved with the Steelers
situation being at our Browns.
We have enough to worry aboutbeing 3-14 this year.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Don't worry, mike, we're getting to the Browns here
soon.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
All right, top 10,?
I don't know.
I just know he's won a lot ofgames and he's probably on a
list of I'm sure he's top 20all-time in wins.
Already he's 12th, he's 12th,he's 12.
I don't know if I reallyanswered you, but that's my
answer.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Okay, jj, what do you got?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Well, I am a Steelers fan, so I would say he's not a
top 10 coach.
I'll put him in the top 15, top20, somewhere in there, but not
top 10 right now.
And I definitely don't think weshould have fired him this
offseason.
I mean you got to have somebodyto replace him.
I mean, we have winning seasons.
(16:04):
We're this close to making agood playoff run.
We just got to make a fewchanges and I think we'll be
good.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Okay, what do you got , drew?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, I've known you a long time and I know you.
I know you don't like miketommy, but man, that was, that
was deep stuff right there.
There's some note taken there.
Um, top 10, I I don't know.
He's won a super bowl.
Um, not a lot.
Not too many people can saythat.
Uh, he's probably.
If you want to rank him between8 and 17 in my range, he's not
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the best there, but he's not theworst by far.
Should they fire him?
I'm going to say no, and here'swhy I'm going to say no.
I'm staring at my wall rightnow and I have a Tennessee Titan
fathead staring at my wall andI still can't believe.
The Titans fired Mike Brable andit's been a year later and I'm
still going to feel this way,probably 10 years in my future.
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There has to be some stability.
It could be a lot worse, trustme.
It could be a lot worse.
You can have the Will Levisfiasco.
You can have Brian Callahan notgetting plays in and getting
delayed games.
It could be a lot worse.
Like, like James said, theSteelers are right there.
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Now's not the time to cleanhouse.
Now's the time to make minorchanges and make a run for it.
So my answer to that is no,stay at the course.
And Tennessee, please get MikeBrable back.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
All right, all right, coach Garf, what do you got?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Top ten coach?
Probably not, I think, as wesit here right now.
No, If he wins another SuperBowl, he's in the conversation.
Should you fire him?
No, but that doesn't meanshould change not happen?
You know what I mean.
Things get stale.
But I think a better questionto ask is because really nobody
knows this who's making thedecisions on personnel?
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That's to me the question to beasked.
You know, I mean the guy's notwinning playoff games because of
the quarterbacks in hisconference and he doesn't have a
quarterback and hasn't in fouryears.
And when did Roethlisbergerretire?
Are we talking four or five?
He retired Again.
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It's a quarterback-drivenleague.
It's a quarterback-drivenleague.
They don't have one.
They're taking second-rate guys.
Clearly right that nobody elsewanted their original teams
wouldn't sign them.
One guy got kicked out of townin another place.
So I mean, who's making thosedecisions?
Speaker 6 (18:43):
We don't know that.
No one knows that.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Is it a true GM making those decisions,
ownership making that decision,the CF saying that you know
who's ever making that decision?
That person should be firedfirst.
Fair enough, cause they blew itFirst round is terrible draft
pick and now they're choosingguys who no one else wants.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
That's fair and for everybody that doesn't know,
kenny Pickett was the backupquarterback who nailed the ball
in the Super Bowl for the Eagles.
That was a Pittsburgh startertwo years ago.
So just throwing it out there,kenny Pickett now has a super
bowl since he left Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Oh my God, come on, dave.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Dave, what do you?
What do you got on this one,dave?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
That comment was handpicked to make me incensed,
because the Cunningham clipboarddraft pick was the single
biggest FU that Kevin Colbertmade on the way out the door to
echo coach Garvey's commentabout you know the guy that was
shopping for the groceries.
You really have to go back topre arm injury for Ben
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Roethlisberger before you reallyhad a and it's a quarterback
driven league.
Like coach Garvey said, gosh,stealing some of the thunder for
this response.
However, if you're talkingabout a top 10 quarterback of
all time I mean if you'relooking at right now obviously
the answer's no.
However, I can remember back in2004, when they were willing to
fire Bill Cowher after six and10 season, they drafted Ben
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Roethlisberger and all of asudden they were 15 and won the
next season and you know, thewhole franchise was reborn.
If Bill Cowher doesn't winSuper Bowl, the Super Bowl XL in
Detroit, does he go to the Hallof Fame?
Probably not.
So I don't think that you canreally write Tomlin's story
without having the whole youknow, without having the whole
portfolio here.
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In addition to that, you knowyou want to talk about should
they fire Tomlin?
You know, I think that there'ssome changes that need to be
made.
I have questions about theiroffensive line coach being given
blue chip prospects and notbeing able to develop them
properly and guys that he hasgotten that have had gone on to
have success elsewhere, and thattells me that maybe that's a
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simple.
That's part of the problem.
If you're going to get rid ofTomlin, you know what you better
have somebody that's going tocome in, that's going to be
electric in, somebody that'sgoing to come in and be really,
really good.
If you're going to ask that guyto walk out the door which
which, by the way, three dayslater he's at he's going to have
a job somewhere else If hewants.
He could also go on TV and makea bazillion dollars too.
However, you know, unlessyou've got Sean McVay coming
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through the door I'm sorrythere's absolutely no reason to
fire Mike Tomlin.
You know, some adjustment withthe staff, I get it, but until
they get a quarterback, itreally doesn't matter.
Anyways, you know, if theyre-sign Justin Fields this
season and decide to go thatroute, awesome.
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I heard todayiel jones coming topittsburgh.
Those aren't.
Those aren't guys that aregoing to be um, you know, super
bowl winning quarterbacks foryou and in a division where
you've got um, two other teamsthat have reasonable
quarterbacks and then a hotdumpster fire.
That's the browns.
I mean, you really have to toto look at that aspect of it.
You don't have a quarterback.
You're not going to win in thisleague, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Which is a great segue into this question, aaron
Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers has played a yearand one game for the Jets and
will be cut here eventually.
Aaron Rodgers, though, thisseason threw for 3,897 yards,
with 28 touchdowns and 11interceptions.
So, being a jets fan andsuffering for all 38 years of my
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life being a jets fan, this isactually a very historic season
for Aaron Rogers in New Yorkjets quarterback history, which
is pretty pitiful in the grandscheme of things.
So Aaron Rogers wants to return, it seems like, to the NFL.
Has Aaron Rogers tarnished hiscareer by not retiring, and
where do you see him playingnext year, because rumor was
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today it was the PittsburghSteelers Mike.
Has Aaron Rodgers tarnished hiscareer and if, if so, or
however you're going to go withthis, where is he playing at
next year?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
in my opinion he has not tarnished his career.
30, 3800 yards is a pretty goodseason for an nfl quarterback.
Um, I guess there was talkabout him and daniel jones going
to cleveland last week.
Um, then coaches said, I didn'tknow that about daniel jones
maybe going to pittsburgh, but,um, it wouldn't be the worst
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quarterback pickup the Brownshave made recently.
But you know what I mean.
But the Jets lost some.
I know Coach Garvey likes theJets.
They lost some close games thatwere out of his control.
I wouldn't say it was Roger'sfault.
So I don't know.
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I don't.
I don't think his legacy istarnished.
He's still one of the greatestever and if he can still play at
42 years old, I I'm all forthat.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
So where do you think he's at next season, Mike?
I have to take a guess.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I have no idea.
I just heard talk at Clevelandand I don't know who's desperate
to bring in somebody at Brownsor desperate, but there's
probably five, six other teamsdesperate to have somebody and I
but I just not sure where he'sgoing to end up they were
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talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
If the Steelers don't resign fields, should they sign
Rogers, even though Wilson'ssix years younger?
So, JJ, what are your thoughtson what Aaron Rogers has done?
You know he went six and 12 thepast two years, missed 15 games
with Achilles injury and then,you know, had a five and 12 year
for the jets this year.
Where, where's his legacy atright now and where's he going
to be at next season?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I don't think he's tarnished his legacy at right
now.
And where's he going to be atnext season?
I don't think he's tarnishedhis legacy.
I'm big on players playinguntil they don't want to play
anymore.
I mean their life.
They want to go out there andplay till they're a hundred
years old.
Just let them play.
If they're still able to do it,he's still capable, very
capable quarterback.
I mean, I probably see him.
He seems like he might end upon the Raiders.
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Honestly, I'm thinking theRaiders, please don't come to
Pittsburgh.
No, I don't want to.
We already have enough headcases there.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Drew, what do you got on this one?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Yeah, I've seen a lot of places where they he wants
or they say he's going.
I think they're saying everyspot, except the guys that have
really good quarterbacks rightnow.
Um, in regards to his legacy, Idon't think it's tarnished at
all, really.
Um, he goes to the jets on thefourth snap.
There he tears his achilles,doesn't smell the field the
whole year.
And then this past year withthe disaster that was going on
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there, firing your coach and allthis hearsay, he still had a
pretty good year.
So you can't say it's tarnishedquite yet.
Um, I now I do think this is ahuge decision for him.
Or he wants to go, like peopleare saying, to go to tennessee
and play for my titans.
That would be the worst thinghe can do because he'll just
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ride off into the sunset inNashville.
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I'msitting down with whoever I sit
down with and I'm asking myselfthree questions Could I win
there?
Is it indoors and do I have agood defense?
And I think the answer to allthree of those is the Minnesota
Vikings.
Sam Darnold's going to beleaving.
He's going to get his cashelsewhere.
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Jj McCartney, is he ready yet?
Probably not.
So follow the Brett Favrefootprint Go to Minnesota Play
in the Dome.
You have stability, you havegood weapons, you have a good
defense and there you go.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And the Jets were such a dumpster fire.
Robert Sala was such a gooddefensive coordinator and
terrible head coach and thatjust happens.
And Joe Douglas should bebanished from the NFL as the
worst general manager in NFLhistory and it was pretty bad.
It was pretty pretty.
He was right up there with MattMillen as a terrible GM and
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that was pretty bad.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
All right, coach Garb , you gotta put blame on the
owner to an extent, yeah, andWoody's not not great either,
but if Jerry Jones wasn't inthis league, he'd be the worst
owner in football.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I would I would, I would agree with you on that I
would.
I would agree.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Because he can't get out of his way, because he
refuses to shut his mouth.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, no, I would, I would, I would agree with you, I
would definitely.
But we can have a whole episodeon why the jets are a dumpster
fire and that can last like sixhours.
So, coach Gargo, you're thequarterback whisperer.
You've you've coached RyanFitzpatrick.
You've coached record setters.
He did not tarnish.
His legacy has not tarnishedhis legacy.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
If it goes, if he does not resign, does decide to
retire, all.
If he does not resign and doesdecide to retire, all we're
going to say is he hung on toolong.
You can't take his stats away.
You can't take that period ofwhere he may have been.
That little five year, probablysix year span may be the best
quarterback ever to play thegame.
He's got that little careerthere.
It just wasn't a long timecompared to what we're seeing
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out of other people ie Tom Brady, ie probably Patrick Mahomes
and those types of people but heis just as good as anyone
probably has ever played thegame, because what he can do
with his feet that Achillesclearly is a problem for him
because he cannot attack theline of scrimmage like he used
to for sure.
Where is he going?
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God bless it, I don't know.
Minnesota is very, veryinteresting, minnesota's very,
very interesting, minnesota'svery, very interesting.
Like you said, drew, theRaiders make sense, but I don't.
I don't see him and PeteCarroll being on the same page.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Personally, you know what, though, they're both so
hippie like and they want to besurfers and yeah, but you know,
but there's, they're they'redifferent hippie.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah, they want to be surfers and yeah, but you know,
but there's, they're differenthippie.
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Aaron Rodgers is like .
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Aaron Rodgers is just a weird dude.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
He's a weird dude.
I would agree with you on that.
He wants to go into a tent andhave hot coals around, and a
social media wasn't around andTV shows.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I don't think we would have a conversation about
him tarnishing his legacy andeverything.
But I think there's enoughhatred because of the world we
live in, where people want tohate him so bad because of the
things he says and they take itpersonally okay and for
everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
And for everybody that doesn't know and I was
saying this earlier coach Garveycoached Ryan Fitzpatrick at
Harvard.
Shout out coach Garvey havingthat connection.
And a special shout out tocoach Garvey's good friend, dan
Quinn, on another spectacularseason as a head coach, taking
two teams to the playoffssomething Mike Tomlin has never
done.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
So only been a head coach for one team.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Right, right, right, right, uh, but no, uh, in all
seriousness, that we'll, we'llsee.
You know, dave, you're a formerum.
You know former head coach atthe high school level.
You know you're an offensiveline coach.
You know now, at the highschool level.
You know where I'm going to getyour opinion on this.
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You know where where is thisAaron Rogers things falling?
Is it?
Did he tarnish his career?
Was it the offensive line forthe jets?
You know what was it exactlyand you know where's he at next
year.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
John, I feel like you've been taking some of Aaron
Rogers ayahuasca with yourhatred for Mike Tomlin.
I'll tell you this you know, ifyou dig down at Aaron Rogers
numbers a little bit furtherthis season, his last five games
this year he was excellent, butthat's the equivalent of
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hitting, you know, a home runwhen you're down seven and in
the seventh inning.
You know he put a lot ofgarbage time numbers up this
year, which is great if you playfantasy football, but it wasn't
.
You know he put a lot ofgarbage time numbers up this
year, which is great if you playfantasy football, but it wasn't
.
You know they were in gamesthat were relatively meaningless
.
You know.
I think that as long as AaronRodgers talent outpaced his
personality, he was fine.
However, I think the other oneis caught up to the other.
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I think Aaron Rodgers next yearwill not be playing in the NFL.
Aaron Rodgers will be afull-time contributor to the Pat
McAfee show.
You know teams have been reallyturned off by that.
That's something that he reallywanted to do and something he
really wants to continue to do,and he's going to try to jump on
this whole Jason Kelsey, travisKelsey, the whole podcast, you
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know, creating a sort of ofoutside of the game you know
revenue stream to continue longafter the game of football goes.
I mean, it used to be, guyswould retire and they'd have to
go over like into the booth tomake any money.
And now you know this isn't DanMarino with isotonic gloves.
I mean, these guys can go andmake real money here and I I
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just I think that Aaron Rogers,to answer your question has he
tarnished his legacy?
I think the garbage timenumbers that he put up in the
last five weeks of the seasonsort of rescue that this year,
you know they can blame theAchilles for the previous season
.
However, if he goes somewhereelse, particularly to one of
these also ran teams like theRaiders, you know it's going to
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be all fine and good, he's goingto get paid, but it's really
it'll look poor.
This, this is Franco Harrisplaying for the Seahawks.
This is, you know, his best betis to just latch on a McAfee
and ride that rocket ship toretirement.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Okay and which leads me into you know this, because
we talked about it too, and youknow you're talking about
legacies and coaches and thisand that Kevin Stefanski and
Andrew Barry run the DumpsterFire Cleveland Browns.
And it is a dumpster fire, youknow, during the time that
they've been there since theWatson trade, Watson is 9 and10
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as a starter.
The Browns are 20-31 as anorganization, with one playoff
appearance in three years, ledby Joe Flacco.
In the meantime, the HoustonTexans, because of the trade
with them, inherited 10 players,five of which are starters,
five of which are backups, plusthe defensive rookie of the year
a few years ago, Will Anderson,and Baker Mayfield has went on
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to take the Buccaneers toback-to-back playoff appearances
and back-to-back divisiontitles.
Who is more at fault for theBrowns?
You can't blame Jimmy Haslam.
Is it Andrew Berry or Stefanski?
Or should they both be equallyto blame, Mike?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Before I attempt to answer that, fetty, the Browns
have never recovered since theyfired Marty Schottenheimer in
1988, in my opinion, and alsowe've never thrown this out
Marty Schottenheimer took threeteams, three different teams, to
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the playoffs, won divisiontitles with three different
teams and almost a fourth team.
I just want to throw that outthere, fetty, alright.
Next, I don't know who made thedecision to bring Watson in.
I don't know if it was acollaboration between the GM and
Stefanski and Haslam all threeof them but they set up Houston
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for the future and reallycrushed the Browns for the next
several years.
So I can't really answer it.
It's like Coach Garvey wassaying earlier, like who makes
the decisions?
We don't know.
I still don't know.
I'm assuming Stefanski is stillthere because he didn't want to
bring Watson in and he's notgetting the wrath or the blame
(34:34):
for that.
But who knows?
So I can't.
It's just a mess right now.
I don't know how to answeranything really about the Browns
right now.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Well, the thing is, you can't fire the owner, as we
know as jets fans with uh, withWoody there.
So, uh, somebody got to pay thePiper with the Browns.
Should it be Stefanski, orshould it be Barry, or should it
be both?
Jj, what's your thoughts on theBrowns?
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Ah man, um, hot dumpster fire.
They probably both should befired.
Whoever made the decision thatDeshaun Watson traded?
This is just crazy, becausethey were on their way up with
Mayfield and they were buildingaround him and it was.
They were on their way up andthen they just totally just cut
their legs out from under himwhen they made that trade, like
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there.
I mean, I don't know whatthey're even going to do for the
future, like they're just.
They're just going to be theBrowns for as long as I'm alive,
probably.
So, yeah, they both can befired.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You know, and the thing is, because of that trade
you also the ripple effect of,of, you know, miles Garrett, now
one, two, two leaf, and evencosting them more talent going
out the door.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
They can save it.
So they trade miles, Garrett.
But whoever they trade them to,they say you have to take
Watson too.
That's part of the deal.
So they can save it.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
That's a that's that's interesting.
That is a that is definitelyinteresting, drew.
What's your, what's your takeon this?
Barry Stefanski or both?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, you know I'm not a Browns fan, but I know a
lot of people that are, and Iknow a lot of my Browns fans
when that trade went down, wereprobably the happiest people in
the world.
To say they are now not so much, but you know, is what it is.
Yeah, to say they are now notso much, but you know, is what
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it is.
If you're going to fire one ofthe two, you're probably going
to say Barry, you get to lookwhat Kevin Stefanski has done in
his tenure with the Browns.
He's two playoff appearances, aplayoff win.
I mean, when was the last timea Browns could say anything of
that nature at all?
He's done it twice with twodifferent quarterbacks, almost
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probably two different teams.
I know, as a Titans fan, I wouldlove stability.
I know Browns.
That's.
One thing they do need isstability.
You can't get rid of their headcoach that has taken two
different teams like that andmade the playoffs twice.
You got to stay pat with him.
He knows how to do it, he'sdone it.
And if you're going to fire oneof the two, it's hard to even
(37:10):
say Barry.
I know it's a bad trade, butall these GMs make bad trades.
He's brought a lot of goodtalent into Cleveland.
Like I said, it's somethingthey haven't seen in a long time
.
So if you had to pick one,you'd probably pick Barry.
You need to try with Stefanskiuntil he says no, because he's
he's brought you there.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Okay, Coach Garth, what's your opinion on this?
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Yeah, I think it's Barry right, even though he has
brought in some talent.
But it's not about the talent,like what Obviously Deshaun
Watson bring him in.
You're saying that guy'stalented, but it was the money
piece of it where it was areally bad decision.
Miles Garrett's their onlysavior, right?
They need to trade his ass andget a lot of capital for him and
start over.
(37:52):
They have no choice.
To me, right?
I mean they are not.
You got to look at them asthey're almost a two-year
project Really one year, becauseif you get enough capital out
of miles garrett, you can flipit sure, sure.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Okay, dave, what's your opinion on this?
Speaker 6 (38:09):
the cleveland browns are a team of tragedy.
They wasted the career of hallof fame joe, hall of famer joe
thomas.
They have wasted the career ofnick chubb.
They are wasting the career ofmiles garrettb.
They are wasting the career ofMiles Garrett.
Baker Mayfield did nothing buttry to play through a season
with a separated shoulder andgut it out for the team.
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And what did they do?
They ran him out of town.
That's unforgivable.
It's a situation where talkingto Browns fans in that offseason
was the Steelers were in ashopping for a quarterback as
well and it was hey, cool, let's, we're interested, but let's
not mortgage the farm.
Well, not only did the Brownsmortgage the farm in the terms
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of draft capital, with numberone draft picks and number two
draft picks and number threedraft picks, they also mortgaged
the the farm by, with hissuspension, putting off all of
that money into guaranteed money.
They're on the hook for thenext two seasons for $72 million
against the cap.
That means literally one.
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Whatever fifth of your capapproximately is going to be
dedicated to a guy who's notgoing to contribute to your team
.
Now, if they get them on thisdancing thing, is is part of his
recovery and they can recover alittle bit of it perhaps next
year, then he's only a $45million cap hit or something
like that, but at the end of theday, this is the worst trade,
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double down with the worstcontract in professional sports
history.
The Cleveland Browns are a teamof tragedy and I'm going to be
honest.
I mean, what's their best bet?
It was Flacco Now.
Now it's what Kirk cousins?
Uh, to come in and rescue thefranchise.
They have some pieces and partsaround them, but, um, you know,
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the Browns are in for another.
What is coach Garvey?
You said two years.
No, they're five, six yearsaway from being relevant again
and it's going to take a lotteryticket at quarterback in order
to make it happen.
It's.
It's sad for the people ofCleveland, like they deserve
better than this.
The Browns fans are loyal.
They show up in the Muni lotevery week, and so what are the
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Browns going to do?
They're going to continue tosuck and they're going to try to
move the team to Berea andbuild a dome Like uh, uh, who's
in charge of this?
To broad from major league,like it's the absolute most idea
ever.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
All right, Now next one.
Now you're right, Mike.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Go ahead.
No, no, he's really got medepressed after that.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
All right.
The next one is just a yes orno answer.
Will Mike McCarthy be a headcoach again in 2026?
Mike.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Not 2025.
You said 2026 in 2026.
Yes I'm not sure, but I'll sayno okay jj, yes, all right drew
probably not, but he should okay, coach garth.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yes, all right, coach frank, absolutely okay, I think
he will too.
He said he was going to sit outthis year.
You know he's a SuperBowl-winning coach out.
There Could be somebody for theBrowns, could be somebody for
the Steelers, if they do decideto go away from Tomlin.
Could be a lot of guys, giants,you could fit out a lot of
different places Titans.
(41:40):
All right, two questions left.
I think they're the big ones alot of people talked about.
So, speaking of the cowboys,they were linked to deon sanders
in the offseason.
Now deon sanders coached um.
You know the past few years atthe college level, um.
Should deon sanders have beenthe cowboys next head coach?
(42:00):
Now, before you answer, thinkof this.
He's going to have two out ofthe top five draft picks at um
at Colorado.
Go in the NFL draft.
Two out of the top five.
He went eight and four and gotcrushed by the storm and Mormons
of BYU in a bowl game notforecasted to have one player
drafted in the first four rounds.
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Should the on standards havebeen the Cowboys' next head
coach, mike?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
This is cut and dry for me and I'm biased.
I'm saying no, MartySchottenheimer's son Brian, I'm
a Schottenheimer guy.
Cut and dry, that's it.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
All right, jj.
What are your thoughts?
Should Deion Sanders have beenthe next head coach of the
Cowboys?
Speaker 4 (42:46):
My personal opinion no.
But if Jerry Jones reallywanted him to sell tickets and
everything because Jerry doesn'tcare about winning anymore, he
just wants to make money thenyes.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
That's valid.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
That is valid.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
That would have made a lot of money off of that.
Drew, what's your opinion?
Should Deion Sanders, losingfour games, two top five nfl
draft picks, getting annihilatedin the bowl game?
Should he have been the cowboys?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
head coach.
I tell you I can't get over thestorm.
And mormon, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I don't know where you came up with that one.
No one's ever heard of thestorm and mons.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Um, I, I don't know, Probably not.
There's quite a lot more guysthat are qualified for it, but
his name playing there did whathe did there.
This relationship, Jerry Jones,carries some weight.
Um, I don't know how far God, Idon't even know if they talked
or they interviewed or what.
What.
What have you?
Um, I would say no, but if theydid do it, I think that stadium
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would explode.
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I think if, if Dion can win maybe 10 or 12 games or
a national championship over thenext couple of years
consecutively, have some successlike that, I think he can make
a nice transition to the NFL.
But just not right now.
Coach Garth, what's youropinion?
No, that's pretty dry.
What about you, coach Frank?
Speaker 6 (44:11):
Yeah, he, he's, uh, he's all hat and no cattle.
Um, when you're talking aboutDion Sanders, there's only one
place where that would work andthat's a place where the, the,
the show is the show, and that'sLas Vegas.
And that's if he would havewent to the Raiders and, instead
of Pete Carroll, and thendrafted his son and they would
have taken their show on theroad.
Uh, uh, just just down thehighway from Colorado to to
(44:34):
Vegas.
Um, you know, dallas is.
Uh, the offensive players onthat staff almost to a man, were
excited that Schottenheimer wasgoing to be the new guy.
And is it the perfect hire?
Absolutely not, but every oncein a while that works out for
you.
And again, until Jerry Jonessteps away as a general manager,
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that also is going to continueto be a dumpster.
Fire, they're paying $65million to Dak Prescott to be
the guy.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, fire, they're paying 65 million dollars to Dak
Prescott to be to be the guyyeah and I, and I think you know
, I do think, like I said, he'llbe in a couple years away.
I think to me, if there's all,if there is going to be a hot
shot college coach making theleap in the near future, in my
opinion, I think it's going tobe Dan Lanning from Oregon.
That's just my opinion on thatLast question.
(45:24):
We're going to round it outwith this and the big question.
There was a lot of talk, a lotof excitement, yet a lot of
flack behind Josh Allen winningthe MVP this year.
I personally thought Barkleywas the MVP of the league, mike,
in your opinion, did the NFLget this right with Josh Allen?
Was he the MVP, or shouldsomeone else have gotten it?
(45:46):
My vote went to Barkley, mike.
What's your opinion?
Speaker 2 (45:50):
I never really came up with an MVP.
I thought there were about fourguys.
You know the Ravens quarterbackAllen Barkley, even Joe Burrows
, even though the Bengals didn'tmake the playoffs.
So I could have lived with anyof those guys being named with
it, so no controversy for me.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Okay, JJ.
What about you?
What was your thoughts aboutJosh Allen getting the MVP?
Should he have got it?
Should somebody else have gotit?
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (46:22):
My personal opinion, barkley should have got it, but
it's a quarterback award now, soit's between him and Lamar
Jackson, and so Lamar Jacksonhad the better numbers.
So I know they were probablyfatigued of him winning it, so
they just gave it to Allen justto have somebody different.
So technically I think LamarJackson should have won, but I
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understand why they did it, butyeah.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Okay, Drew.
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yeah, you know I don't know, man, I hate this MVP
stuff.
I really don't pay anyattention to it.
Josh Allen had a good year.
I guess he's going to get it.
It's how they value it, howthey look at it, and based off
numbers, I guess he was one ofthe top sake ones up there as
well, but my MVP is the centerfor the Philadelphia Eagles.
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It takes the beating when theydo the touch push every day.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Coach Garve, I want to get your opinion on this
because, for people that don'tknow, Coach Garve again coaching
some of the most prolificoffenses in Bethany history,
from the Mackermar days of himrunning the ball to him going
into a passer, to Eric Walker toLincoln Reyes the many
different changes in Coach Garve.
You've coached quarterbackswith a ton of different skill
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sets.
Was Josh Allen the MVP of youknow of this year, or should it
have went to somebody else?
Speaker 5 (47:48):
That's a good question.
Now, he's certainly valid ofthat MVP, because you take him
off that team, they lose games,plain and simple.
The question I think you haveto ask is if you take the next
best guy and put him on theEagles and hand him the ball, do
they still win games?
And I think the answer to thatquestion is probably yes,
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compared to replacing Josh Allen.
So therefore, I think it'sright.
Okay, can Barkley win it?
Sure, he almost rushed for 2000yards and really probably
should have.
But the world we live in, youcan't get that guy hurt because
he is that valuable.
So maybe that answers thequestion that he is the most
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valuable player because theydidn't play him Okay, okay, I
don't think there's either rightor wrong answer, but but I
think if you take Josh Allen outof that lineup, they lose games
, I think, no matter who theyreplace him with, even if they
replace him with the next bestguy, right?
I just think it's different,that dynamic position is
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different.
If you replace the running back, can they still win games with
the next best guy?
I think the answer to thatquestion is yes, because it's
just a different dynamic.
Okay, because of the five guysin front of them.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
We did talk about that on the Super Bowl preview
show.
Could the Eagles still havemade it without Barkley or not?
It was a pretty interestingtopic on that.
So you know, dave, your opinion.
You know, being an O-line guy,all right, I want to hear this
is josh allen deserving of themvp, or should I've went to
somebody else?
Speaker 6 (49:27):
so I I think that the nfl needs to more clearly
define the criteria for namingtheir mvp, because you have
saquon barkley wins the, theoffensive player of the year, uh
, but not the mvp.
So so mean, is he not a player?
Also, I think that a guy likeSaquon's penalized because he's
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on such a talented roster withthe Eagles, a guy like Lamar,
whose passing numbers, if youlook at him, nobody's ever had
those passing numbers and notwon the MVP.
And oh, by the way, if you lookat his rushing numbers, he also
was a Pro Bowl running backwithin that same criteria.
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So for me personally, if it'sLamar and Josh Allen, it was
Lamar.
Josh Allen won it because theyviewed him as the most valuable
cog on his team.
But I'm going to argue, ifthat's the argument that you're
going to make, the Bills roster,as it's currently composed, is
far greater than the person whoshould have been the MVP, if
that's the criteria you're using, and that's Jaden Daniels,
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because the commanders wereabsolutely terrible.
Daniels came in totally flipthat roster upside down, did so
with only one legitimatereceiver in Terry McLaurin and
an old man in Zach Hertz.
The defense was, you know, okay, but you know if you're
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comparing apples to apples here,you know Allen versus Daniels.
I think it should have beenDaniels, so my one vote would
have been Lamar.
But if you're looking at it,most valuable person to their
team, I think Daniels was morevaluable to the commanders
versus Alan to the bills.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Okay, that's valid.
Now we're going to have onebonus question for everybody out
there.
Mike game is on the line.
Two minutes and 30 seconds togo.
You got to go 90 yards for thewinning touchdown, no timeouts.
But you got the two-minutewarning.
You got Mahomes, john Elway orJoe Montana.
You just got to pick one ofthem.
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No explanation.
Who are you picking?
2.30 to go, no timeouts, 90yards, game-winning touchdown.
You need it.
Joe Montana, john Elway,patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Montana.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Okay, jj, who are you taking?
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Taking Montana.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Okay, drew.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
John Elway.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Okay, coach Garth Mahomes.
Okay, coach Frank.
Speaker 6 (52:05):
Ben Roethlisberger.
Wait, that wasn't one of theoptions.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Who'd you say, coach Frank?
Speaker 6 (52:14):
Joe Montana.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Okay, I was just thinking of that too.
And you know, mike, I know JohnOwey ripped your heart out on
two different occasions in theeighties.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
I was at the game and the dog pound during the drive.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I will say one of the more underrated quarterbacks of
the lifetime of a lot of us isJohn Elway, so five-time Super
Bowl starter, second most SuperBowl appearances ever as a
starter, behind Tom Brady, joeMontana and Terry Bradshaw,
second most winning Super Bowlquarterbacks in NFL history.
So that was a lot of fun, guys.
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Thank you so much for coming onand talking about the NFL recap
season and diving into somestats and some rants and
everything in between, but itwas a very exciting.
2024 season that is now overand now we prepare for the draft
and we'll see what happens toMike JJ, coach Garve, drew and
and Dave.
Thank you so much for coming onand making this episode of the
ride home rants another specialone.
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Welcome everybody to another episode of the Ride Home
Rants podcast.
This is your special guest,host Fitty, and today we bring
you the NFL season recap, wherewe recap the season with five
fantastic guests talking abouteverything that happened and
what the future may hold.
The guests today all come fromdifferent backgrounds and, in
sports and as fans, they'regoing to give you a great
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insight to their opinions onwhat this season was all about
and it was a surprising season,to say the least.
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Without further ado, I'm goingto introduce our Fab Five coming
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to you from all over, really,the country, here.
They're going to give you theirname, what they currently do or
what they've done, and thentheir favorite non-alcoholic
drink.
So, mike, let's start with you.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Hello, fetty Mike Worrell.
Here I've been a lot of places.
I'm from Ohio, so I've been alot of places.
I'm from Ohio, so I've coachedat Ashland University, college
of Worcester, illinois, collegeBethany, for a couple years and
currently I'm sitting inJacksonville, illinois, just
north of St Louis, not reallydoing much of anything.
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And I was a Mountain Dew guyfor years.
Now I've switched to Dr PepperCream, Soda.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Nice.
Okay, and for people that don'tknow, I'm going to brag on Mike
here for a second.
Mike is the only coach in NCAAhistory, regardless of
classification, to coach over400 basketball games, have the
national slam dunk dunk champion, regardless of classification,
and be the only coach from adivision three school to beat a
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division one school.
So mike has that over that'sawesome.
Coach k eight.
Uh, coach rup um calhoun,everybody, mike whirl has him
beat on that.
Now, jj, you have to followthat up Well that's a tough act
to follow.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Jj Phillips live in Austintown, Ohio, currently
working as a quality inspectorat Exoloy, and my favorite drink
would have to be eitherstrawberry or raspberry lemonade
.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Okay, okay, drew.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
What's up guys?
Drew McLaughlin here, Currentlya fourth grade ELA and social
studies teacher and I'mcurrently the office coordinator
at Low Bowl High School.
And my favorite non-alcoholicalcoholic drink gotta be I'm
basic coke.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
I'm a coke guy okay all right, coach garth how you
doing, bill garvey, I'mcurrently the offensive
coordinator at thomas moore umin kentucky.
Really, cincinnati of your youknow um, you know, being
specific to it, favoritenon-alcoholic drink, I guess
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I'll say Diet Mountain Dew, butI've grown to Celsius now
because I'm getting old and oldand trendy.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Coach, you're not old man.
I've only known you for almost20 years now, so you know you're
not getting old.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Now you're making me older.
I've only known you for almost20 years now.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So you know, you know you're not getting old, You're
making me older.
You know that makes me old, andCoach Garvey is too humbled to
admit this, but as an offensivecoordinator at Bethany College,
during his time there he setclose to 100 school records
individually and as a as a team.
So I'm going to brag on CoachGarvey there a little bit and
then, Dave, you want to roundthis out here.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
I'm going to brag on Coach Garve there a little bit,
and then, dave, you want toround this out here.
Yeah, dave Frank, I'm theoffensive line coach of McDowell
High School in Erie,pennsylvania, and yeah, my
favorite non-alcoholic drink hasto be coffee, preferably black
and strong, and definitely notany sort of cream or sugar, any
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of that stuff, just black.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay, my favorite non-alcoholic drink.
I mean, I'm pretty plain, Idrink water and I drink coffee.
There really ain't much inbetween there, so that's kind of
always been me.
So we're going to go Mike, JJDrew, coach Garve and then Coach
Frank rounding us with thequestions here.
So, really, first question Iwant to ask you guys Mike,
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you're going to start us out,because you were on the Super
Bowl preview show Were yousurprised at the results of the
Super Bowl, with how the Chiefsgot dominated by the Eagles?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yes and no.
I think I predicted an Eagleswin, but I also predicted an
Eagles win going down to thewire.
I'm not surprised that they won, but surprised at the
domination of the game that day.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
JJ.
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I was surprised.
I was expecting the Chiefs towin in a close game.
I was expecting the Chiefs towin in a close game.
I was really surprised on how Iknew the Chiefs would go in and
try to stop the run, which theydid.
I wasn't expecting Jalen Hurtsto have such a big game.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, drew, what was your thoughts of the game?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, I was really surprised.
When you have a chance to dohistory and three-peat and all
that and to come out the waythey did completely flat was
almost shocking to me.
In a sense, I knew it'd be agood game the Eagles had a
loaded roster but to have thechance to make history and the
way they came out was kind ofreally shocking to me.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
What about you, coach Garth?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah, I'm not sure I'm shocked about the winner.
I think it's the Super Bowl, Ithink can go either way, but
certainly the dominance of theone team or, I guess, lack of
competitiveness in that game, Ithink was more the surprising
aspect of the whole thing whatabout you, coach Frank?
Speaker 6 (06:01):
yeah, so, uh, the Eagles had the formula to beat
the Chiefs, and that's beingable to only rush four and their
, uh, their front fourtremendous in Philadelphia.
And uh, they were able tocontrol the ball on offense.
The time of possession wasalmost two to one and that's the
recipe to beat Pat Mahomes keepthem off the field.
And uh, you know, kudos to AndyReid.
They've been keeping togetherwith popsicle sticks and duct
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tape all season long, with close, you know, less than one score
victories all year long.
And, um, you know they, theyjust ran into, they ran into a
big bully in the Superbowl.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
You know, and I was thinking about this watching the
game, you know, and PatrickMahomes, two Superbowl losses
were of just utter devastationwhere he just really really
could not elevate them toovercome Tom Brady and the bucks
, and and and and the Eagles andJalen hurts.
So for me, I think, this thenwe're not going to get into this
topic, but I think this is adamper on my homes because he
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couldn't elevate them anddominate the way.
To an extent Tom Brady did insuper bowls, but to what Joe
Montana did during histhrashings of other teams when
he was quarterback in the 49ers.
So I think to an extent maybeit might have, you know,
tarnished what Mahomes has doneand shown that he's truly can't.
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He can't elevate other peoplearound him, he just makes them
better, if that makes sense.
Second question going off ofthat Superbowl.
You know Nick Sirianni, in fourseasons, has two NFC
championship appearances, twoSuperbowl appearances, one
Superbowl win, two NFC Easttitles.
Where does Nick Sirianni rankright now in the NFL as a coach?
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And Mike, I know you're goingto say what you're going to say,
but let's all hear it.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I'm going to stick to my usual Fiddy.
Right now he's the best, butafter next season.
You know, going into the SuperBowl preview, andy Reid was the
greatest of all time and Mahomeswas one of the greatest
quarterbacks.
You know they're the top two orthree in each man.
So right now Sierra Sirianni isnumber one.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Okay, JJ.
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
The top coaches coaching right now in the league
.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, if you compare them to the 32, the 32 head
coaches right now.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
I'll put them in the top five.
I will still have reed abovehim, a couple other coaches
above him, because that eaglesteam is just.
I mean, it's stack is loaded onboth sides of the ball, so he's
top five okay, what do youthink drew?
Speaker 3 (08:40):
yeah, you know, um, he's definitely top five.
You can't.
You can't deny what he's done.
Like you said, all hisaccolades that he has.
You can't deny it.
I will say, you know, thepeople say Ryan Day was born on
third base.
I think Nick Sirianni was bornhalfway to home.
He really inherited a greatroster and it'd be hard not to
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mess that up, but he did it andyou've got to give him the
credit.
So top five.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Okay, what do you say ?
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Coach Garf.
As much as it pains me to saythis because of the connection
to it, I agree with Mike.
He's the best one right nowBecause, again, I think it's a
little bit more than people givecredit for the management of
those situations and thoserosters right, and certainly the
media piece of it.
I mean everyone was calling himhow bad he was.
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He almost got fired last year.
Guy just won a Super Bowl, wentto one three years ago,
whatever it was, you know, andmanaging those players and
managing two guys that they paida ton of money and all of a
sudden they signed some guy andthey're running the ball over
close to 30 times a game andthose guys aren't getting it and
everyone wants to blame thequarterback.
And that didn't tear apart thelocker room, that's.
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That's a lot of work rightthere and that's a hell of a job
okay, when?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
what are your thoughts on this?
Uh, coach, frank yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
So you know, I think a nfl is a what have you done
for?
Meately kind of league and Ithink Sirianni's got to be below
all those guys that have thepedigree of doing this over a
long period of time Guys likeHarbaugh and guys like Reid and
even a guy like Mike Tomlinwho's never had a losing season.
You know, because if you lookat Philadelphia, sure you had a
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guy like Doug Peterson came in,won a Super Bowl with a backup
quarterback and then they ranhim out of there a short time
later.
Sirianni was 2-2 after fourgames this year.
He had to shave his head andrally the troops and get
everything put back togetherjust to make the run this year,
and they only lost one gameafter that.
So I say good on him.
He's on a great careertrajectory.
I don't know, with his style,his fire of coaching, if that's
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something that that's got thesort of longevity that they can
match some of these other guyswho are or, you know, have done
it for five, eight, 10, 12 years, you know.
So I put them on that next step.
You know he could prove mewrong and come out and win a
couple more super bowls, but Ithink right now he's below the
rest of those guys.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Okay, and just a fun fact for everybody, if they
don't know this in four seasonsas a head coach, nick Sirianni
has the most wins in NFL historyin those four years, over all
those all-time great coaches.
Wow, yeah, there's your funfact of the day.
So I'm going to go to this onenext, because we kind of
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mentioned it here.
You know I give Mike Tomlin alot of flack.
I'll be the first one to admitthat and everybody knows, knows
that, but I'm I want to talkabout this Um, and we're going
to get your guys' opinions, buthear me out on this.
So Mike Tomlin, in his 18 years, has 12 playoff appearances.
He has seven AFC North titlesthat are a record of 103, 183,
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107, and two, so that those arekind of the accolades of things.
Mike Tomlin has only won aplayoff game in four out of 12
appearances and four out of 18total seasons in a Superbowl
championship team.
18 out of 22 starters weredrafted or signed by Bill Cowher
, including the Superbowl MVP,antonio Holmes.
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He also inherited five men whomay be in the Hall of Fame, if
not, will be in the Hall of Fame, and Troy Polamalu, hines Ward,
big Ben Roethlisberger, alanFanica and potentially James
Harrison.
Mike Tomlin also has the thirdworst winning percentage in
playoff history, right behindMarty Schottenheimer and Chuck
Knox, with a record of 7-11.
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In Bill Cowher's final sixseasons with the Steelers, bill
Cowher won 63-32, with three AFCCentral and North championships
, five 8-8 seasons or better,three AFC Championship
appearances, a Super Bowl winand seven playoff wins over four
appearances, with winning agame each season.
With that being said, there'sthe twofold question Is Mike
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Tomlin a top 10 head coach ofall time, considering that the
following coaches all won two ormore Super Bowls Belichick,
reed, flores, gibbs, parcells,Walsh, seifert, coughlin, knoll,
shula, landry, lombardi, jimmyJohnson and Mike Shanahan, and
then these four three guys havewent to four Super Bowls but
lost all of them Bud Grant, danRees with two teams and Mark
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Levy with four in a row Is MikeTomlin a top 10 head coach of
all time?
And should distillers havemoved on from Mike Tomlin this
offseason?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Mike, if everybody didn't already know, phinitty is
kind of obsessed with thissubject.
I can tell you that firsthand.
That's firsthand knowledge.
I don't know about the rankings, fitty.
I know he's won a lot of gamesand he's been in the playoffs a
lot of times.
To me that signifies that he'sdone a good job and coached a
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lot of good teams and they'realways competitive.
And I know you want to talkabout Marty Schottenheimer's
playoff record.
Marty was always competitive,had good teams and was almost
always in the playoffs.
So I don't know where tomlinfits on a list, but I but I know
he's probably a hall of famerwith that many wins, that many
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playoff appearances.
And I'm just one that doesn'tbase how great a coach is off
that one big game, that superbowl game.
I mean there's a lot of otherstuff that goes into being a
great coach in my opinion.
And I'm not a Steelers fan, soI have no opinion if they should
move on from him or not.
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I know what answer you'd likefor me to give.
No, I do want you to give yourhonest answer.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
But I will throw out this.
This is also the Steelers'longest playoff drop without a
win since pre Chuck Knoll in theearly 1960s.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
So you're saying they're in a drought of some
sort?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
They're definitely in a long drought.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I'm still not sure what the question was, but I
don't know where to rank him andit was.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So is he just top 10?
Is he top 10, yes or no?
And then, should the Steelershave fired him, yes or no?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I can't.
I'm not that close and thatinvolved with the Steelers
situation.
I'm not that close and thatinvolved with the Steelers
situation being at our Browns.
We have enough to worry aboutbeing 3-14 this year.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Don't worry, mike, we're getting to the Browns here
soon.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
All right, top 10,?
I don't know.
I just know he's won a lot ofgames and he's probably on a
list of I'm sure he's top 20all-time in wins.
Already he's 12th, he's 12th,he's 12.
I don't know if I reallyanswered you, but that's my
answer.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Okay, jj, what do you got?
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Well, I am a Steelers fan, so I would say he's not a
top 10 coach.
I'll put him in the top 15, top20, somewhere in there, but not
top 10 right now.
And I definitely don't think weshould have fired him this
offseason.
I mean you got to have somebodyto replace him.
I mean, we have winning seasons.
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We're this close to making agood playoff run.
We just got to make a fewchanges and I think we'll be
good.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Okay, what do you got , drew?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, I've known you a long time and I know you.
I know you don't like miketommy, but man, that was, that
was deep stuff right there.
There's some note taken there.
Um, top 10, I I don't know.
He's won a super bowl.
Um, not a lot.
Not too many people can saythat.
Uh, he's probably.
If you want to rank him between8 and 17 in my range, he's not
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the best there, but he's not theworst by far.
Should they fire him?
I'm going to say no, and here'swhy I'm going to say no.
I'm staring at my wall rightnow and I have a Tennessee Titan
fathead staring at my wall andI still can't believe.
The Titans fired Mike Brable andit's been a year later and I'm
still going to feel this way,probably 10 years in my future.
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There has to be some stability.
It could be a lot worse, trustme.
It could be a lot worse.
You can have the Will Levisfiasco.
You can have Brian Callahan notgetting plays in and getting
delayed games.
It could be a lot worse.
Like, like James said, theSteelers are right there.
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Now's not the time to cleanhouse.
Now's the time to make minorchanges and make a run for it.
So my answer to that is no,stay at the course.
And Tennessee, please get MikeBrable back.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
All right, all right, coach Garf, what do you got?
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Top ten coach?
Probably not, I think, as wesit here right now.
No, If he wins another SuperBowl, he's in the conversation.
Should you fire him?
No, but that doesn't meanshould change not happen?
You know what I mean.
Things get stale.
But I think a better questionto ask is because really nobody
knows this who's making thedecisions on personnel?
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That's to me the question to beasked.
You know, I mean the guy's notwinning playoff games because of
the quarterbacks in hisconference and he doesn't have a
quarterback and hasn't in fouryears.
And when did Roethlisbergerretire?
Are we talking four or five?
He retired Again.
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It's a quarterback-drivenleague.
It's a quarterback-drivenleague.
They don't have one.
They're taking second-rate guys.
Clearly right that nobody elsewanted their original teams
wouldn't sign them.
One guy got kicked out of townin another place.
So I mean, who's making thosedecisions?
Speaker 6 (18:43):
We don't know that.
No one knows that.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Is it a true GM making those decisions,
ownership making that decision,the CF saying that you know
who's ever making that decision?
That person should be firedfirst.
Fair enough, cause they blew itFirst round is terrible draft
pick and now they're choosingguys who no one else wants.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
That's fair and for everybody that doesn't know,
kenny Pickett was the backupquarterback who nailed the ball
in the Super Bowl for the Eagles.
That was a Pittsburgh startertwo years ago.
So just throwing it out there,kenny Pickett now has a super
bowl since he left Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Oh my God, come on, dave.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Dave, what do you?
What do you got on this one,dave?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
That comment was handpicked to make me incensed,
because the Cunningham clipboarddraft pick was the single
biggest FU that Kevin Colbertmade on the way out the door to
echo coach Garvey's commentabout you know the guy that was
shopping for the groceries.
You really have to go back topre arm injury for Ben
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Roethlisberger before you reallyhad a and it's a quarterback
driven league.
Like coach Garvey said, gosh,stealing some of the thunder for
this response.
However, if you're talkingabout a top 10 quarterback of
all time I mean if you'relooking at right now obviously
the answer's no.
However, I can remember back in2004, when they were willing to
fire Bill Cowher after six and10 season, they drafted Ben
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Roethlisberger and all of asudden they were 15 and won the
next season and you know, thewhole franchise was reborn.
If Bill Cowher doesn't winSuper Bowl, the Super Bowl XL in
Detroit, does he go to the Hallof Fame?
Probably not.
So I don't think that you canreally write Tomlin's story
without having the whole youknow, without having the whole
portfolio here.
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In addition to that, you knowyou want to talk about should
they fire Tomlin?
You know, I think that there'ssome changes that need to be
made.
I have questions about theiroffensive line coach being given
blue chip prospects and notbeing able to develop them
properly and guys that he hasgotten that have had gone on to
have success elsewhere, and thattells me that maybe that's a
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simple.
That's part of the problem.
If you're going to get rid ofTomlin, you know what you better
have somebody that's going tocome in, that's going to be
electric in, somebody that'sgoing to come in and be really,
really good.
If you're going to ask that guyto walk out the door which
which, by the way, three dayslater he's at he's going to have
a job somewhere else If hewants.
He could also go on TV and makea bazillion dollars too.
However, you know, unlessyou've got Sean McVay coming
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through the door I'm sorrythere's absolutely no reason to
fire Mike Tomlin.
You know, some adjustment withthe staff, I get it, but until
they get a quarterback, itreally doesn't matter.
Anyways, you know, if theyre-sign Justin Fields this
season and decide to go thatroute, awesome.
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I heard todayiel jones coming topittsburgh.
Those aren't.
Those aren't guys that aregoing to be um, you know, super
bowl winning quarterbacks foryou and in a division where
you've got um, two other teamsthat have reasonable
quarterbacks and then a hotdumpster fire.
That's the browns.
I mean, you really have to toto look at that aspect of it.
You don't have a quarterback.
You're not going to win in thisleague, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Which is a great segue into this question, aaron
Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers has played a yearand one game for the Jets and
will be cut here eventually.
Aaron Rodgers, though, thisseason threw for 3,897 yards,
with 28 touchdowns and 11interceptions.
So, being a jets fan andsuffering for all 38 years of my
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life being a jets fan, this isactually a very historic season
for Aaron Rogers in New Yorkjets quarterback history, which
is pretty pitiful in the grandscheme of things.
So Aaron Rogers wants to return, it seems like, to the NFL.
Has Aaron Rogers tarnished hiscareer by not retiring, and
where do you see him playingnext year, because rumor was
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today it was the PittsburghSteelers Mike.
Has Aaron Rodgers tarnished hiscareer and if, if so, or
however you're going to go withthis, where is he playing at
next year?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
in my opinion he has not tarnished his career.
30, 3800 yards is a pretty goodseason for an nfl quarterback.
Um, I guess there was talkabout him and daniel jones going
to cleveland last week.
Um, then coaches said, I didn'tknow that about daniel jones
maybe going to pittsburgh, but,um, it wouldn't be the worst
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quarterback pickup the Brownshave made recently.
But you know what I mean.
But the Jets lost some.
I know Coach Garvey likes theJets.
They lost some close games thatwere out of his control.
I wouldn't say it was Roger'sfault.
So I don't know.
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I don't.
I don't think his legacy istarnished.
He's still one of the greatestever and if he can still play at
42 years old, I I'm all forthat.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
So where do you think he's at next season, Mike?
I have to take a guess.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I have no idea.
I just heard talk at Clevelandand I don't know who's desperate
to bring in somebody at Brownsor desperate, but there's
probably five, six other teamsdesperate to have somebody and I
but I just not sure where he'sgoing to end up they were
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talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
If the Steelers don't resign fields, should they sign
Rogers, even though Wilson'ssix years younger?
So, JJ, what are your thoughtson what Aaron Rogers has done?
You know he went six and 12 thepast two years, missed 15 games
with Achilles injury and then,you know, had a five and 12 year
for the jets this year.
Where, where's his legacy atright now and where's he going
to be at next season?
Speaker 4 (24:35):
I don't think he's tarnished his legacy at right
now.
And where's he going to be atnext season?
I don't think he's tarnishedhis legacy.
I'm big on players playinguntil they don't want to play
anymore.
I mean their life.
They want to go out there andplay till they're a hundred
years old.
Just let them play.
If they're still able to do it,he's still capable, very
capable quarterback.
I mean, I probably see him.
He seems like he might end upon the Raiders.
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Honestly, I'm thinking theRaiders, please don't come to
Pittsburgh.
No, I don't want to.
We already have enough headcases there.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Drew, what do you got on this one?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Yeah, I've seen a lot of places where they he wants
or they say he's going.
I think they're saying everyspot, except the guys that have
really good quarterbacks rightnow.
Um, in regards to his legacy, Idon't think it's tarnished at
all, really.
Um, he goes to the jets on thefourth snap.
There he tears his achilles,doesn't smell the field the
whole year.
And then this past year withthe disaster that was going on
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there, firing your coach and allthis hearsay, he still had a
pretty good year.
So you can't say it's tarnishedquite yet.
Um, I now I do think this is ahuge decision for him.
Or he wants to go, like peopleare saying, to go to tennessee
and play for my titans.
That would be the worst thinghe can do because he'll just
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ride off into the sunset inNashville.
If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I'msitting down with whoever I sit
down with and I'm asking myselfthree questions Could I win
there?
Is it indoors and do I have agood defense?
And I think the answer to allthree of those is the Minnesota
Vikings.
Sam Darnold's going to beleaving.
He's going to get his cashelsewhere.
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Jj McCartney, is he ready yet?
Probably not.
So follow the Brett Favrefootprint Go to Minnesota Play
in the Dome.
You have stability, you havegood weapons, you have a good
defense and there you go.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And the Jets were such a dumpster fire.
Robert Sala was such a gooddefensive coordinator and
terrible head coach and thatjust happens.
And Joe Douglas should bebanished from the NFL as the
worst general manager in NFLhistory and it was pretty bad.
It was pretty pretty.
He was right up there with MattMillen as a terrible GM and
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that was pretty bad.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
All right, coach Garb , you gotta put blame on the
owner to an extent, yeah, andWoody's not not great either,
but if Jerry Jones wasn't inthis league, he'd be the worst
owner in football.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I would I would, I would agree with you on that I
would.
I would agree.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Because he can't get out of his way, because he
refuses to shut his mouth.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yeah, no, I would, I would, I would agree with you, I
would definitely.
But we can have a whole episodeon why the jets are a dumpster
fire and that can last like sixhours.
So, coach Gargo, you're thequarterback whisperer.
You've you've coached RyanFitzpatrick.
You've coached record setters.
He did not tarnish.
His legacy has not tarnishedhis legacy.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
If it goes, if he does not resign, does decide to
retire, all.
If he does not resign and doesdecide to retire, all we're
going to say is he hung on toolong.
You can't take his stats away.
You can't take that period ofwhere he may have been.
That little five year, probablysix year span may be the best
quarterback ever to play thegame.
He's got that little careerthere.
It just wasn't a long timecompared to what we're seeing
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out of other people ie Tom Brady, ie probably Patrick Mahomes
and those types of people but heis just as good as anyone
probably has ever played thegame, because what he can do
with his feet that Achillesclearly is a problem for him
because he cannot attack theline of scrimmage like he used
to for sure.
Where is he going?
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God bless it, I don't know.
Minnesota is very, veryinteresting, minnesota's very,
very interesting, minnesota'svery, very interesting.
Like you said, drew, theRaiders make sense, but I don't.
I don't see him and PeteCarroll being on the same page.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Personally, you know what, though, they're both so
hippie like and they want to besurfers and yeah, but you know,
but there's, they're they'redifferent hippie.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Yeah, they want to be surfers and yeah, but you know,
but there's, they're differenthippie.
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Aaron Rodgers is like .
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Aaron Rodgers is just a weird dude.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
He's a weird dude.
I would agree with you on that.
He wants to go into a tent andhave hot coals around, and a
social media wasn't around andTV shows.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I don't think we would have a conversation about
him tarnishing his legacy andeverything.
But I think there's enoughhatred because of the world we
live in, where people want tohate him so bad because of the
things he says and they take itpersonally okay and for
everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
And for everybody that doesn't know and I was
saying this earlier coach Garveycoached Ryan Fitzpatrick at
Harvard.
Shout out coach Garvey havingthat connection.
And a special shout out tocoach Garvey's good friend, dan
Quinn, on another spectacularseason as a head coach, taking
two teams to the playoffssomething Mike Tomlin has never
done.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
So only been a head coach for one team.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Right, right, right, right, uh, but no, uh, in all
seriousness, that we'll, we'llsee.
You know, dave, you're a formerum.
You know former head coach atthe high school level.
You know you're an offensiveline coach.
You know now, at the highschool level.
You know where I'm going to getyour opinion on this.
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You know where where is thisAaron Rogers things falling?
Is it?
Did he tarnish his career?
Was it the offensive line forthe jets?
You know what was it exactlyand you know where's he at next
year.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
John, I feel like you've been taking some of Aaron
Rogers ayahuasca with yourhatred for Mike Tomlin.
I'll tell you this you know, ifyou dig down at Aaron Rogers
numbers a little bit furtherthis season, his last five games
this year he was excellent, butthat's the equivalent of
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hitting, you know, a home runwhen you're down seven and in
the seventh inning.
You know he put a lot ofgarbage time numbers up this
year, which is great if you playfantasy football, but it wasn't
.
You know he put a lot ofgarbage time numbers up this
year, which is great if you playfantasy football, but it wasn't
.
You know they were in gamesthat were relatively meaningless
.
You know.
I think that as long as AaronRodgers talent outpaced his
personality, he was fine.
However, I think the other oneis caught up to the other.
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I think Aaron Rodgers next yearwill not be playing in the NFL.
Aaron Rodgers will be afull-time contributor to the Pat
McAfee show.
You know teams have been reallyturned off by that.
That's something that he reallywanted to do and something he
really wants to continue to do,and he's going to try to jump on
this whole Jason Kelsey, travisKelsey, the whole podcast, you
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know, creating a sort of ofoutside of the game you know
revenue stream to continue longafter the game of football goes.
I mean, it used to be, guyswould retire and they'd have to
go over like into the booth tomake any money.
And now you know this isn't DanMarino with isotonic gloves.
I mean, these guys can go andmake real money here and I I
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just I think that Aaron Rogers,to answer your question has he
tarnished his legacy?
I think the garbage timenumbers that he put up in the
last five weeks of the seasonsort of rescue that this year,
you know they can blame theAchilles for the previous season
.
However, if he goes somewhereelse, particularly to one of
these also ran teams like theRaiders, you know it's going to
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be all fine and good, he's goingto get paid, but it's really
it'll look poor.
This, this is Franco Harrisplaying for the Seahawks.
This is, you know, his best betis to just latch on a McAfee
and ride that rocket ship toretirement.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Okay and which leads me into you know this, because
we talked about it too, and youknow you're talking about
legacies and coaches and thisand that Kevin Stefanski and
Andrew Barry run the DumpsterFire Cleveland Browns.
And it is a dumpster fire, youknow, during the time that
they've been there since theWatson trade, Watson is 9 and10
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as a starter.
The Browns are 20-31 as anorganization, with one playoff
appearance in three years, ledby Joe Flacco.
In the meantime, the HoustonTexans, because of the trade
with them, inherited 10 players,five of which are starters,
five of which are backups, plusthe defensive rookie of the year
a few years ago, Will Anderson,and Baker Mayfield has went on
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to take the Buccaneers toback-to-back playoff appearances
and back-to-back divisiontitles.
Who is more at fault for theBrowns?
You can't blame Jimmy Haslam.
Is it Andrew Berry or Stefanski?
Or should they both be equallyto blame, Mike?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Before I attempt to answer that, fetty, the Browns
have never recovered since theyfired Marty Schottenheimer in
1988, in my opinion, and alsowe've never thrown this out
Marty Schottenheimer took threeteams, three different teams, to
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the playoffs, won divisiontitles with three different
teams and almost a fourth team.
I just want to throw that outthere, fetty, alright.
Next, I don't know who made thedecision to bring Watson in.
I don't know if it was acollaboration between the GM and
Stefanski and Haslam all threeof them but they set up Houston
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for the future and reallycrushed the Browns for the next
several years.
So I can't really answer it.
It's like Coach Garvey wassaying earlier, like who makes
the decisions?
We don't know.
I still don't know.
I'm assuming Stefanski is stillthere because he didn't want to
bring Watson in and he's notgetting the wrath or the blame
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for that.
But who knows?
So I can't.
It's just a mess right now.
I don't know how to answeranything really about the Browns
right now.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Well, the thing is, you can't fire the owner, as we
know as jets fans with uh, withWoody there.
So, uh, somebody got to pay thePiper with the Browns.
Should it be Stefanski, orshould it be Barry, or should it
be both?
Jj, what's your thoughts on theBrowns?
Speaker 4 (34:57):
Ah man, um, hot dumpster fire.
They probably both should befired.
Whoever made the decision thatDeshaun Watson traded?
This is just crazy, becausethey were on their way up with
Mayfield and they were buildingaround him and it was.
They were on their way up andthen they just totally just cut
their legs out from under himwhen they made that trade, like
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there.
I mean, I don't know whatthey're even going to do for the
future, like they're just.
They're just going to be theBrowns for as long as I'm alive,
probably.
So, yeah, they both can befired.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You know, and the thing is, because of that trade
you also the ripple effect of,of, you know, miles Garrett, now
one, two, two leaf, and evencosting them more talent going
out the door.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
They can save it.
So they trade miles, Garrett.
But whoever they trade them to,they say you have to take
Watson too.
That's part of the deal.
So they can save it.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
That's a that's that's interesting.
That is a that is definitelyinteresting, drew.
What's your, what's your takeon this?
Barry Stefanski or both?
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, you know I'm not a Browns fan, but I know a
lot of people that are, and Iknow a lot of my Browns fans
when that trade went down, wereprobably the happiest people in
the world.
To say they are now not so much, but you know, is what it is.
Yeah, to say they are now notso much, but you know, is what
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it is.
If you're going to fire one ofthe two, you're probably going
to say Barry, you get to lookwhat Kevin Stefanski has done in
his tenure with the Browns.
He's two playoff appearances, aplayoff win.
I mean, when was the last timea Browns could say anything of
that nature at all?
He's done it twice with twodifferent quarterbacks, almost
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probably two different teams.
I know, as a Titans fan, I wouldlove stability.
I know Browns.
That's.
One thing they do need isstability.
You can't get rid of their headcoach that has taken two
different teams like that andmade the playoffs twice.
You got to stay pat with him.
He knows how to do it, he'sdone it.
And if you're going to fire oneof the two, it's hard to even
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say Barry.
I know it's a bad trade, butall these GMs make bad trades.
He's brought a lot of goodtalent into Cleveland.
Like I said, it's somethingthey haven't seen in a long time
.
So if you had to pick one,you'd probably pick Barry.
You need to try with Stefanskiuntil he says no, because he's
he's brought you there.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Okay, Coach Garth, what's your opinion on this?
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Yeah, I think it's Barry right, even though he has
brought in some talent.
But it's not about the talent,like what Obviously Deshaun
Watson bring him in.
You're saying that guy'stalented, but it was the money
piece of it where it was areally bad decision.
Miles Garrett's their onlysavior, right?
They need to trade his ass andget a lot of capital for him and
start over.
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They have no choice.
To me, right?
I mean they are not.
You got to look at them asthey're almost a two-year
project Really one year, becauseif you get enough capital out
of miles garrett, you can flipit sure, sure.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Okay, dave, what's your opinion on this?
Speaker 6 (38:09):
the cleveland browns are a team of tragedy.
They wasted the career of hallof fame joe, hall of famer joe
thomas.
They have wasted the career ofnick chubb.
They are wasting the career ofmiles garrettb.
They are wasting the career ofMiles Garrett.
Baker Mayfield did nothing buttry to play through a season
with a separated shoulder andgut it out for the team.
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And what did they do?
They ran him out of town.
That's unforgivable.
It's a situation where talkingto Browns fans in that offseason
was the Steelers were in ashopping for a quarterback as
well and it was hey, cool, let's, we're interested, but let's
not mortgage the farm.
Well, not only did the Brownsmortgage the farm in the terms
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of draft capital, with numberone draft picks and number two
draft picks and number threedraft picks, they also mortgaged
the the farm by, with hissuspension, putting off all of
that money into guaranteed money.
They're on the hook for thenext two seasons for $72 million
against the cap.
That means literally one.
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Whatever fifth of your capapproximately is going to be
dedicated to a guy who's notgoing to contribute to your team
.
Now, if they get them on thisdancing thing, is is part of his
recovery and they can recover alittle bit of it perhaps next
year, then he's only a $45million cap hit or something
like that, but at the end of theday, this is the worst trade,
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double down with the worstcontract in professional sports
history.
The Cleveland Browns are a teamof tragedy and I'm going to be
honest.
I mean, what's their best bet?
It was Flacco Now.
Now it's what Kirk cousins?
Uh, to come in and rescue thefranchise.
They have some pieces and partsaround them, but, um, you know,
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the Browns are in for another.
What is coach Garvey?
You said two years.
No, they're five, six yearsaway from being relevant again
and it's going to take a lotteryticket at quarterback in order
to make it happen.
It's.
It's sad for the people ofCleveland, like they deserve
better than this.
The Browns fans are loyal.
They show up in the Muni lotevery week, and so what are the
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Browns going to do?
They're going to continue tosuck and they're going to try to
move the team to Berea andbuild a dome Like uh, uh, who's
in charge of this?
To broad from major league,like it's the absolute most idea
ever.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
All right, Now next one.
Now you're right, Mike.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Go ahead.
No, no, he's really got medepressed after that.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
All right.
The next one is just a yes orno answer.
Will Mike McCarthy be a headcoach again in 2026?
Mike.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Not 2025.
You said 2026 in 2026.
Yes I'm not sure, but I'll sayno okay jj, yes, all right drew
probably not, but he should okay, coach garth.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yes, all right, coach frank, absolutely okay, I think
he will too.
He said he was going to sit outthis year.
You know he's a SuperBowl-winning coach out.
There Could be somebody for theBrowns, could be somebody for
the Steelers, if they do decideto go away from Tomlin.
Could be a lot of guys, giants,you could fit out a lot of
different places Titans.
(41:40):
All right, two questions left.
I think they're the big ones alot of people talked about.
So, speaking of the cowboys,they were linked to deon sanders
in the offseason.
Now deon sanders coached um.
You know the past few years atthe college level, um.
Should deon sanders have beenthe cowboys next head coach?
(42:00):
Now, before you answer, thinkof this.
He's going to have two out ofthe top five draft picks at um
at Colorado.
Go in the NFL draft.
Two out of the top five.
He went eight and four and gotcrushed by the storm and Mormons
of BYU in a bowl game notforecasted to have one player
drafted in the first four rounds.
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Should the on standards havebeen the Cowboys' next head
coach, mike?
Speaker 2 (42:28):
This is cut and dry for me and I'm biased.
I'm saying no, MartySchottenheimer's son Brian, I'm
a Schottenheimer guy.
Cut and dry, that's it.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
All right, jj.
What are your thoughts?
Should Deion Sanders have beenthe next head coach of the
Cowboys?
Speaker 4 (42:46):
My personal opinion no.
But if Jerry Jones reallywanted him to sell tickets and
everything because Jerry doesn'tcare about winning anymore, he
just wants to make money thenyes.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
That's valid.
Speaker 4 (42:58):
That is valid.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
That would have made a lot of money off of that.
Drew, what's your opinion?
Should Deion Sanders, losingfour games, two top five nfl
draft picks, getting annihilatedin the bowl game?
Should he have been the cowboys?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
head coach.
I tell you I can't get over thestorm.
And mormon, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I don't know where you came up with that one.
No one's ever heard of thestorm and mons.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Um, I, I don't know, Probably not.
There's quite a lot more guysthat are qualified for it, but
his name playing there did whathe did there.
This relationship, Jerry Jones,carries some weight.
Um, I don't know how far God, Idon't even know if they talked
or they interviewed or what.
What.
What have you?
Um, I would say no, but if theydid do it, I think that stadium
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would explode.
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I think if, if Dion can win maybe 10 or 12 games or
a national championship over thenext couple of years
consecutively, have some successlike that, I think he can make
a nice transition to the NFL.
But just not right now.
Coach Garth, what's youropinion?
No, that's pretty dry.
What about you, coach Frank?
Speaker 6 (44:11):
Yeah, he, he's, uh, he's all hat and no cattle.
Um, when you're talking aboutDion Sanders, there's only one
place where that would work andthat's a place where the, the,
the show is the show, and that'sLas Vegas.
And that's if he would havewent to the Raiders and, instead
of Pete Carroll, and thendrafted his son and they would
have taken their show on theroad.
Uh, uh, just just down thehighway from Colorado to to
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Vegas.
Um, you know, dallas is.
Uh, the offensive players onthat staff almost to a man, were
excited that Schottenheimer wasgoing to be the new guy.
And is it the perfect hire?
Absolutely not, but every oncein a while that works out for
you.
And again, until Jerry Jonessteps away as a general manager,
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that also is going to continueto be a dumpster.
Fire, they're paying $65million to Dak Prescott to be
the guy.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, fire, they're paying 65 million dollars to Dak
Prescott to be to be the guyyeah and I, and I think you know
, I do think, like I said, he'llbe in a couple years away.
I think to me, if there's all,if there is going to be a hot
shot college coach making theleap in the near future, in my
opinion, I think it's going tobe Dan Lanning from Oregon.
That's just my opinion on thatLast question.
(45:24):
We're going to round it outwith this and the big question.
There was a lot of talk, a lotof excitement, yet a lot of
flack behind Josh Allen winningthe MVP this year.
I personally thought Barkleywas the MVP of the league, mike,
in your opinion, did the NFLget this right with Josh Allen?
Was he the MVP, or shouldsomeone else have gotten it?
(45:46):
My vote went to Barkley, mike.
What's your opinion?
Speaker 2 (45:50):
I never really came up with an MVP.
I thought there were about fourguys.
You know the Ravens quarterbackAllen Barkley, even Joe Burrows
, even though the Bengals didn'tmake the playoffs.
So I could have lived with anyof those guys being named with
it, so no controversy for me.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Okay, JJ.
What about you?
What was your thoughts aboutJosh Allen getting the MVP?
Should he have got it?
Should somebody else have gotit?
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (46:22):
My personal opinion, barkley should have got it, but
it's a quarterback award now, soit's between him and Lamar
Jackson, and so Lamar Jacksonhad the better numbers.
So I know they were probablyfatigued of him winning it, so
they just gave it to Allen justto have somebody different.
So technically I think LamarJackson should have won, but I
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understand why they did it, butyeah.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Okay, Drew.
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yeah, you know I don't know, man, I hate this MVP
stuff.
I really don't pay anyattention to it.
Josh Allen had a good year.
I guess he's going to get it.
It's how they value it, howthey look at it, and based off
numbers, I guess he was one ofthe top sake ones up there as
well, but my MVP is the centerfor the Philadelphia Eagles.
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It takes the beating when theydo the touch push every day.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Coach Garve, I want to get your opinion on this
because, for people that don'tknow, Coach Garve again coaching
some of the most prolificoffenses in Bethany history,
from the Mackermar days of himrunning the ball to him going
into a passer, to Eric Walker toLincoln Reyes the many
different changes in Coach Garve.
You've coached quarterbackswith a ton of different skill
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sets.
Was Josh Allen the MVP of youknow of this year, or should it
have went to somebody else?
Speaker 5 (47:48):
That's a good question.
Now, he's certainly valid ofthat MVP, because you take him
off that team, they lose games,plain and simple.
The question I think you haveto ask is if you take the next
best guy and put him on theEagles and hand him the ball, do
they still win games?
And I think the answer to thatquestion is probably yes,
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compared to replacing Josh Allen.
So therefore, I think it'sright.
Okay, can Barkley win it?
Sure, he almost rushed for 2000yards and really probably
should have.
But the world we live in, youcan't get that guy hurt because
he is that valuable.
So maybe that answers thequestion that he is the most
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valuable player because theydidn't play him Okay, okay, I
don't think there's either rightor wrong answer, but but I
think if you take Josh Allen outof that lineup, they lose games
, I think, no matter who theyreplace him with, even if they
replace him with the next bestguy, right?
I just think it's different,that dynamic position is
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different.
If you replace the running back, can they still win games with
the next best guy?
I think the answer to thatquestion is yes, because it's
just a different dynamic.
Okay, because of the five guysin front of them.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
We did talk about that on the Super Bowl preview
show.
Could the Eagles still havemade it without Barkley or not?
It was a pretty interestingtopic on that.
So you know, dave, your opinion.
You know, being an O-line guy,all right, I want to hear this
is josh allen deserving of themvp, or should I've went to
somebody else?
Speaker 6 (49:27):
so I I think that the nfl needs to more clearly
define the criteria for namingtheir mvp, because you have
saquon barkley wins the, theoffensive player of the year, uh
, but not the mvp.
So so mean, is he not a player?
Also, I think that a guy likeSaquon's penalized because he's
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on such a talented roster withthe Eagles, a guy like Lamar,
whose passing numbers, if youlook at him, nobody's ever had
those passing numbers and notwon the MVP.
And oh, by the way, if you lookat his rushing numbers, he also
was a Pro Bowl running backwithin that same criteria.
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So for me personally, if it'sLamar and Josh Allen, it was
Lamar.
Josh Allen won it because theyviewed him as the most valuable
cog on his team.
But I'm going to argue, ifthat's the argument that you're
going to make, the Bills roster,as it's currently composed, is
far greater than the person whoshould have been the MVP, if
that's the criteria you're using, and that's Jaden Daniels,
(50:36):
because the commanders wereabsolutely terrible.
Daniels came in totally flipthat roster upside down, did so
with only one legitimatereceiver in Terry McLaurin and
an old man in Zach Hertz.
The defense was, you know, okay, but you know if you're
(50:57):
comparing apples to apples here,you know Allen versus Daniels.
I think it should have beenDaniels, so my one vote would
have been Lamar.
But if you're looking at it,most valuable person to their
team, I think Daniels was morevaluable to the commanders
versus Alan to the bills.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Okay, that's valid.
Now we're going to have onebonus question for everybody out
there.
Mike game is on the line.
Two minutes and 30 seconds togo.
You got to go 90 yards for thewinning touchdown, no timeouts.
But you got the two-minutewarning.
You got Mahomes, john Elway orJoe Montana.
You just got to pick one ofthem.
(51:38):
No explanation.
Who are you picking?
2.30 to go, no timeouts, 90yards, game-winning touchdown.
You need it.
Joe Montana, john Elway,patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Montana.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
Okay, jj, who are you taking?
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Taking Montana.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Okay, drew.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
John Elway.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
Okay, coach Garth Mahomes.
Okay, coach Frank.
Speaker 6 (52:05):
Ben Roethlisberger.
Wait, that wasn't one of theoptions.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
Who'd you say, coach Frank?
Speaker 6 (52:14):
Joe Montana.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
Okay, I was just thinking of that too.
And you know, mike, I know JohnOwey ripped your heart out on
two different occasions in theeighties.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
I was at the game and the dog pound during the drive.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I will say one of the more underrated quarterbacks of
the lifetime of a lot of us isJohn Elway, so five-time Super
Bowl starter, second most SuperBowl appearances ever as a
starter, behind Tom Brady, joeMontana and Terry Bradshaw,
second most winning Super Bowlquarterbacks in NFL history.
So that was a lot of fun, guys.
(52:55):
Thank you so much for coming onand talking about the NFL recap
season and diving into somestats and some rants and
everything in between, but itwas a very exciting.
2024 season that is now overand now we prepare for the draft
and we'll see what happens toMike JJ, coach Garve, drew and
and Dave.
Thank you so much for coming onand making this episode of the
ride home rants another specialone.
So to all of our listeners outthere, whether you're old and
(53:18):
new, make sure you're tellingeveryone about the podcast,
because I bet they like the showeven a little bit more than you
, because we're the hottestthing out there.
So this is Fitty and we willsee you next week.
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