212: Doug Gordon on the Peoplemover Future: Life After Cars, Disney Style

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SPEAKER_22 (00:46):
Good morning, Rise and Runners.
This is Denise.
Good morning, it's Angela, andwe're from Hickory, North
Carolina.
And we are rising and running onthis beautiful Saturday morning.
Happy running.

SPEAKER_16 (01:00):
Denise and Angela greeting us on a sunny morning
in Carolina.
Welcoming you to episode 212 ofthe Rise and Run Podcast,
friends.
We're tickled to death thatyou're here with us.
I'm Bob, and this week I'mjoined by Jack.

SPEAKER_05 (01:21):
Hiya.

SPEAKER_16 (01:22):
By Lexi.

SPEAKER_05 (01:23):
Hello.

SPEAKER_16 (01:24):
Alicia's here too.

SPEAKER_05 (01:25):
Hello.

SPEAKER_16 (01:26):
As is John.
Hey, how you doing?
And Greg.
Hey, hey, hey.
It is a full house in this weekbefore wine dine.
Yeah, baby.
Hey, our guest this week, ourbuddy Doug Gordon, is a
co-author of a book titled LifeAfter Cars.

(01:50):
Kind of interesting.
We talk with Doug about hisbook, about some of the ideas,
and kind of relate it to DisneyWorld and Disneyland a little
bit.
We hope you enjoy that.
In the race report spotlight, abunch of friends joined us to
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SPEAKER_16 (02:58):
Hey Jack, anything new on YouTube?

SPEAKER_07 (03:01):
So it's not necessarily new, but it's still
really, really good informationand still pretty relevant.
Um, we do have an episode on ourYouTube channel that says 16
tricks and tips for wine anddine weekend.
And if this is your first wineand dine run Disney weekend,
that is a great resource to kindof watch before you head out to

(03:21):
um the race weekend.
So if you want to go ahead andcheck that out, go ahead and
check out our YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_16 (03:26):
Good.
Thanks, Jack.

SPEAKER_17 (03:27):
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(03:49):
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SPEAKER_16 (04:30):
I think that's excellent advice, Greg.
Hey, let's take a look at thetraining schedule.
Wine and dine mentioned it atthe top of the episode.
I don't need a menu, you knowit.
We're a week away, my friends.
Golly, I know every after everyspringtime surprise we look and

(04:51):
we go, oh, it's gonna be a longtime until we're all back at
Disney World again.
And while the Disney race seasonhas begun at Disneyland, a lot
of us head over to the Floridalocation.
So one week from today is ExpoDay.
We'll see you there.
Now, you've done your longtraining.

(05:12):
Most of the training's behindyou.
You heard Coach Twiggs say thatlast week.
But you've still got four milesthis weekend.
Get out there and do it.
Don't just stop.
Get out there and do it.
You'll have uh you'll have sometraining runs the week of the
race.
I like to get that first one in.
The second one, I don't know.

(05:34):
I may skip it, but by that timewe're okay.

SPEAKER_17 (05:37):
Hey, listen, with the amount of walking you're
gonna do just at the expo alone,you're gonna get a couple of
miles on your feet.

SPEAKER_16 (05:43):
I love the expo, man.
Maybe we'll talk about thattonight.
Maybe.
We'll see.
We got a lot of other things todo.
Marathon weekend, Disney WorldMarathon Weekend.
It's 12 weeks away.
That's coming up fast.
Week 16 on the trainingcalendar.
17 miles is your long run ifyou're doing the marathon.

(06:05):
And in a departure from previousGalloway training schedules, if
you're doing goofy or dopey, itshows a 4 to 6 mile training
run.
So I guess you get to pick.
Now, coming up, and it's it'snot too far away, it's after we
get back.
Early November is advanceddining reservations for marathon
weekend.
We'll remind you of that again.

(06:26):
Disneyland half marathon weekendout in Anaheim, the last race
out there for a while.
15 weeks away, you're intraining week three.
Your long run is three miles.
Hey, we don't we occasionallycomment on other than Disney
runs.
I want to make a comment thatSpace Coast, Space Coast over in

(06:49):
uh the eastern coast of Floridais now a little over six weeks
away.
It's right after Thanksgiving.
That's a great event.
There's still time to get intoit.
So if you can, just look it upand check it out.

SPEAKER_20 (07:02):
I know it's a question people are gonna ask
us.
Uh I'm doing wine and dine thenext week.
Can I s can I swap my 17 milesfor marathon weekend and add
them to that day?
That that's a perfectly goodoption.
So if you're doing them, ifyou're doing marathon weekend
and then and you know you'regonna get the 13 next week, you

(07:22):
can push that back a week and doit the week of the uh marathon
of uh the half marathon for wineand dine.
So in this add the extra couplemiles.
So you're not if you don't wantto do 17 and then 13 the week
after.

SPEAKER_17 (07:37):
John, that's a really good point.
And the other thing I'll bringup um based off of that is if
you are one of those people thathas been training exclusively on
the wine and dine trainingprogram, but are doing the
marathon during marathonweekend, but you haven't been
following the marathon trainingschedule, the Galloway team on

(08:02):
the Run Disney website undertraining actually has a very
specific plan for people goingfrom wine and dine to the
marathon.
So if you need a resource, thatis a perfect one to follow.
And it talks a lot about thosethings that Coach Uh Twiggs
brought up last week about theidea of you know supplementing

(08:24):
that mileage that you quoteunquote missed by breaking it up
as a walk and then also doingthe run walk so you're not
pounding your legs for so manymiles.
So if you happen to fall intothat situation, definitely take
a look at that training plan.

SPEAKER_16 (08:37):
All right, let's talk about training updates.
Let me start out.
I uh let's see.
I saw the surgeon on Wednesday,which is the day before we
released the day after werecorded, and got a terrific
report.
I like that guy.
He's really, really been, Imean, he's made a difference in

(08:59):
my life.
And uh we were chatting a littlebit.
It was it was a six-week post opreview.
There was supposed to be athree, a six, and a twelve.
Uh he told me I didn't need tocome back for the twelve because
everything looked so good.
He gave me a bunch of littleexercises he wanted to see me do
while we were there in theexamination room, and I ripped

(09:20):
through those pretty quickly.
And he says something which Ilove.
He says, uh, Man, I want to belike you when I get older.
I thought that was a really nicething to say.
But what he was commenting onwas staying active, and so
there's a goal for all of us tostay active for as long as we
can.
Bottom line, I still have to bea bit careful, but in terms of

(09:46):
getting back into running now, Ican concentrate on getting back
into run, walk, run.
Uh I'll be walking most of uh ofWine and Dime weekend, but
that's just from conditioning.
And then after that, we'll startworking on getting back to uh
condition to do the HonoluluMarathon and to do the marathon

(10:08):
at Walt Disney World.
So this whole thing could nothave gone any better than it
did.
And a big part of that, and Ihope I hope that you who are
listening believe this, a bigpart of that was the support
that I get from this family,because it means that much to
me, and it genuinely,positively, absolutely helps me

(10:31):
keep going.
So thank you.

SPEAKER_17 (10:34):
Uh, in terms of my training update, uh, something
that I have learned in the lasttwo weeks is uh I think I'm
falling in love with speed work.
Which is something that I Idon't think I would have ever
said before.
Uh yeah, so when I had thatcrazy magic half mile that I did

(10:56):
the other week, that flooredcoach, it you know, like I said,
it gave me the confidence to goout and I signed up for a race.
So I'm doing the uh the Rockyrun 10 miler in the beginning of
November.
And I I told Coach, I said, Iwant to run it for time.
And you know, as soon as youutter that phrase to him, that
automatically puts speed workinto your training calendar.

(11:18):
But because it's so close to therace, what we have to do is
essentially my drill run is nowgetting replaced with the speed
work, okay, and then stillfocusing on the long runs then
on the weekend.
So the last two Thursday runsthat I've had, uh, I've done

(11:41):
speed work and doing eighthundreds.
And again, it was a it's a scarynumber, and I'm like, all right,
because it's in theory, youknow, not too much slower than
what I was running my magic halfmiles in.
So, but I've done over the thecourse of the last two weeks,

(12:02):
I've done eight of these eighthundreds, and I I think I've hit
the time on seven out of eightof them.
So it's so it's giving me a lotof confidence.
Now, I'll be, you know, again,you always do your speed work
faster than you do your, youknow, what would be your race
pace, you know, to help buildthat confidence in you.

(12:22):
So that I think that's reallyhelping me out, you know,
mentally get prepped.
You know, and I'm thinking tomyself, okay, you know, because
usually when I do four eighthundreds, by the time you do a
warm-up and a cool down, I'm I'mpretty close to five miles.
And I'm like, okay, and I lookat down my watch and it's under
an hour, and that that makes mehappy.

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And I'm like, okay, if I justdoubled that, that's pretty
close to a PR for me.
So the fact that, and you know,I'm doing recovery walks builds
into that as well, too.
So that's it's really startingto help build.
I'm not trying not to, you know,get overzealous or get cocky or
anything like that, but it it'sit's giving me the confidence in

(13:04):
the right way that hopefully Ican go um you know, smash this
thing.
I can you know go you know 10rounds with Apollo Creed on this
course, and you know, I gonna Ican have Mick in the background
telling me that you know womenweaken legs and I can just chase
around chickens for 10 miles.
Yeah, so I'm excited.

SPEAKER_16 (13:24):
All right, good great stuff, Greg.
That's wonderful.
Thanks.
Keep it up.
I'm excited for you.
I can't keep up with youanymore, but you know, you'll
wait for me when you're done.
I know you will.
I will.

SPEAKER_07 (13:35):
No, I know I haven't been running, but I've been
doing repay replacing my runningwith walking.
And as you guys know, I've beenum training with Tom since June.
So here's an update on that.
I sent him a message thismorning.
I went on the scale and I waslike really nervous because I'm
like, I haven't weighed myselfin a hot second, especially the

(13:56):
bachelorette, because I know Iate lots of good food at Disney.
But um, but yeah, so um sincestarting back up with Tom, since
June, I've lost 7.1 pounds andI've lost an inch and a half
around my waist.
Yeah, and I'm like, okay, sowhen I try, because I know I fit

(14:17):
into my wedding dress the lasttime I tried it, uh when we
picked it up, but it was likereally, really it was tight.
I like it zipped up, but it wastight.
So I want to breathe.
So I'm hoping that like when Igo and put it on again um soon
when I do my fittings, I'm gonnabe like, ah, that extra inch or
a half an inch is gonna beextra.
Sorry, words are hard, but inchand a half is gonna be great.

(14:40):
So, yay! So I just wanted anupdate on that.
Hopefully, I'm gonna startrunning soon.
I have the um, it's called theAleth Aletha or Aletha.
It's like the mark that theysell.
It's like a hip hook, and I'vebeen doing that consistently for
a week.
Um, I'll probably end up doing aproduct review on YouTube for

(15:01):
that if you guys are curious ifyou've been having some hip
issues um with it beingextremely tight.
Um I think it's doing some good.
I think I still need to figureout how to use it a little bit
more.
I'm having some help from somefrom some friends, but um
hopefully it gets me back torunning because I would really
love to run the marathon inJanuary.

(15:21):
But if I'm not running byprobably after the first week of
November or second week, I thinkI might just call it and just
say, hey, I'm gonna cheer.
Because I I the marathon, youhave with all the races, I mean,
I'm just gonna say this.
It's just like you have torespect the distance.
And if I'm not doing the mileageto be able to train for that

(15:45):
kind of distance, then I shouldrespectfully know that I should
probably say, you know what, I'mnot ready for it, my body's not
ready for it.
Right.
And this is coming off aninjury, and I'd really rather
not aggravate that if I alreadyknow I'm gonna be riding a
Disneyland races, the 5K and 10Ka few weeks later.
And that is something I reallywant to do because that is the

(16:07):
last time.
Who knows when?
So um, if that's the case, thenyou know it is what it is.
I'd rather be safe than sorry.
And I you know what?
I've had a track record too.
For whatever reason, every othermarathon a weekend, every other
race weekend with that, likemarathon 2019, amazing year,
2020.

(16:27):
It was a good year, but youknow, like it's it's like I have
a really good year every twoyears.
It's really weird.
And I'm hitting that odd year.

SPEAKER_20 (16:36):
Oh, okay.
It's like it's gonna be an evenyear, Jack.
It's gonna be 2026.

SPEAKER_07 (16:41):
Well, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_09 (16:42):
Odd look, John.

SPEAKER_16 (16:45):
Yes, we did.
And John John did too, but youknow, he likes to mess with you.
Ah, he likes to mess with you.
But yeah.
I was gonna say, if you wantedto, you could walk the marathon
with me.

SPEAKER_07 (16:56):
I've I've definitely thought about that.
Um, I do know we have to drivehome after the race.
Um, yeah, so that's the otherpart of it.
Um I will let you know though,Bob, for sure.
I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_16 (17:12):
Oh, great, Jack.
I mean, I uh I know you're stillhaving that hip problem, but
hopefully it's getting a littlebetter for you.
It sounds like it is, and I hopeyou get to get back for training
and and and get get a chance torun that marathon because you
don't want to hang around withme.

SPEAKER_12 (17:31):
Caution runners, change of topic ahead.

SPEAKER_16 (17:36):
With wine and dine coming up, there are a couple
things to talk about, but Ithink I'd like to start over
here with John's list of the top10 things to look for at Wine
and Dine Race Weekend.

SPEAKER_17 (17:54):
John, I have a question for you.
Is this a David Letterman top 10or just like a regular top 10?

SPEAKER_20 (18:00):
Well, it's like a David Letterman type top 10.
Because I always know I got intothis whole YouTube rabbit hole,
and then somehow Stacy shot popsup.
Remember Stacy?

SPEAKER_16 (18:10):
Oh, yeah, sure, sure.
The Disney spokesperson, yeah.

SPEAKER_20 (18:14):
Stacy, the top things to do with Disney.
And then Letterman, I'm like, ohwow.
I love that.

SPEAKER_17 (18:20):
That's that's a heck of an algorithm, you know.
Oh, my algorithm.

SPEAKER_14 (18:25):
It's awesome.

SPEAKER_17 (18:26):
All right.
Well then it so if it if it isinspired by David Letterman,
does this list come from thehome office in Omaha, Nebraska?

SPEAKER_20 (18:33):
Actually, no, it does not.
It comes from the home it comesfrom the home office in the
Epcot parking lot.

SPEAKER_17 (18:38):
Oh, okay, there we go.

SPEAKER_20 (18:40):
Okay, so coming in at number 10.
Top 10 things to look for atWine and Dine Race Weekend from
the home office in the Epcotparking lot.
Number 10, that magical bus rideat 2 a.m.
where strangers become instantbest friends over costume tips.

SPEAKER_16 (18:56):
Yeah.

unknown (18:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (18:57):
Number nine awake.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_20 (18:59):
Number nine, the start line DJ convincing
thousands of sleepy runners thatdancing at 3 a.m.
is a great idea.
It's a good idea.
Number eight, character stopswhere you're questioned, waiting
five minutes for Remy is worthmissing a PR.

SPEAKER_07 (19:16):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (19:19):
Yeah, it's worth missing a PR.
It's not worth getting passed bythe balloon ladies, though.

SPEAKER_20 (19:24):
Number seven, that spectator with a sign that says,
You're crushing this like Aliciacrushes grapes.
Number six, that wine and dineshuffle walk back to your resort
where your legs say nope, butyour body says yes.
Absolutely.
Number five, runners debating ifEpcot margaritas count as proper

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hydration.

SPEAKER_17 (19:48):
Oh, it's a liquid.
Yeah.
There's got to be a little bitof water in there.

SPEAKER_07 (19:54):
You can put the salt rim, sodium.

SPEAKER_17 (19:57):
Okay.

SPEAKER_20 (19:58):
There we go.
Number four, characters soobscure you Google the mid-run
to figure out who they are.

SPEAKER_07 (20:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_20 (20:08):
Number three, spaceship Earth glowing in the
distance, which is your beaconto the finish line.
Yeah, it is.
Number two, the gospel choirnear the finish, bringing you
into the final stretch.

SPEAKER_16 (20:23):
Oh, yeah, that's a serious one there, man.
That's a good one.

SPEAKER_20 (20:27):
And the number one thing to look for at Wine and
Dine Race Weekend, the finishline, where sweat, smiles, and
friends make it all all themiles worth the while worth the
while.

SPEAKER_08 (20:36):
Absolutely.
Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_16 (20:38):
Good job, John.
I like it.
I do.
It's fun.
So there you go.
There you go, friends.
If you haven't been before,there's your top ten things to
look for.
And let's while we're talkingwine and dine, let's talk about
a couple other things.
Um stitch shoes are the newshoes breaking out for race

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weekend.
Who's buying a pair of stitchshoes?

SPEAKER_20 (21:05):
Uh I will probably have to buy a set of stitch
shoes for my granddaughterbecause that is her favorite
character.
Well, that's a good reason.
But I am not telling her aboutthem until we get in there, so
she is surprised.

SPEAKER_17 (21:17):
But what if she listens to this podcast?
Then you just ruined it.
She ain't listening to thepodcast.
She's not a subscriber, John.
What is wrong?
Come on.
What kind of grandfather areyou?
I know.
I'm surprised she's not aPatreon.

SPEAKER_06 (21:31):
You gotta train them up right, John.

SPEAKER_16 (21:34):
Yeah.
Elise, are you buying stitchedshoes?

SPEAKER_03 (21:37):
So I wear adrenalines and these are
glycerins, which I've nevertried before.
So I I may have to try on theglycerins and see how they feel
on my feet.
I don't think they would be arunning shoe necessarily, but I
love stitched, and so I thinkthey're super, super cute.
Um, so possibly.

SPEAKER_16 (21:55):
Yeah, I'll tell you, glycerins are nice shoes.
Uh I the first pair of glycerinsI wore was the first marathon I
did at Disney World.
And I remember coming out,that's back when we would come
out of ESPN, right?
About mile 22 or 23, whatever itwas.
And I I literally rememberwearing those glycerins and

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thinking to myself 23 miles intothe run, boy, these are really
good shoes because my feet wereso comfortable.
Uh I will not be buying a pairof stitch shoes, but I think
they're I think they're great.
I have, in fact, as we'rerecording here, I'm wearing my
Mickey Mouse shoes, which areghosts, not glycerins.
Glycerins are even uh softerthough, even more cushioned.

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So they're a comfortable shoe.
And for what it's worth, I think175 is the list price of the
stitch shoes.
Yeah, but if you go on theBrooks website to buy a pair of
glycerins, just their regularpair, they're 165.
So it's not like it's a not likeit's a big plus.

SPEAKER_07 (23:04):
I've never bought uh Brooks shoes before.

SPEAKER_16 (23:07):
Well, and not that this is a shoe episode, but
Brooks and New Balance both selltheir shoes in widths, and
that's a big deal to me.
So I can get a wide shoe fromBrooks.
So I wear those two brands quitea bit.
So I'm pretty f familiar withthem.

SPEAKER_17 (23:27):
Well, here's a conversation I'd like to have
with you guys about this, andthat is obviously we are still
we're still a week out, sothere's still time for Brooks to
uh you know make uh anannouncement about a specific
wine and dine shoe.
Based on this news, now Iunderstand why Brooks made this

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announcement because obviouslywhen you go throughout any
Disney park, there is stitchmerchandise everywhere.
The live action remake madeDisney over a billion dollars
this summer, so obviously thatcharacter is a cash cow for
them, or in this case, I guess acash alien.

(24:09):
So do we think do we think thatsince we haven't heard about a
race weekend shoe, do you thinkthey're moving away from that
idea?
And and if so, are they maybegoing the the old school new
balance route?

(24:29):
And as opposed to shoes themedaround a weekend, do you think
we're gonna see more shoesthemed around characters?

SPEAKER_06 (24:37):
The only thing that I have to say about that is back
whenever we first had the shoerelease, there was a picture
that had the four that we gotand only like four spaces left
for the season.

SPEAKER_17 (24:52):
Okay.

SPEAKER_06 (24:53):
That were like question marks.
So I'm kind of thinking this maybe the only one for wine and
nine.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_16 (25:04):
No, we don't know, but that's okay.
It's a good guess as any.

SPEAKER_07 (25:07):
Honestly, I'm guessing that's probably based
off of sales of previous uh raceweekend shoes because if they
thought it was gonna be a hugehit and then they had a plethora
left behind, um, not saying thatthey're bad shoes, but like I'd
probably be more inclined towear a character shoe than I
would a race weekend shoe.
Um, especially if it's likedated or anything, you know,

(25:30):
like 2025 or but like I don'tknow.

SPEAKER_06 (25:35):
I yeah.
Um I'm the opposite.
I would rather a race weekendshoe because at least with the
colors, I mean, I don't know.
I'm I'm let personally I'm lesslikely to wear a character
unless it's one that I am like ahuge fan of.
You know, I'm not a Stitch fan,so um, there's no way I'm gonna

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buy the shoes.
But if they came out with a Chipand Dale shoe, heck yeah, I
would be buying that.

SPEAKER_16 (26:01):
You could have Chip on the left and Dale on the
right.

SPEAKER_06 (26:05):
Right, wouldn't it be so cute?

SPEAKER_16 (26:08):
Yeah, well, I mean, if you'd like it, sure.

SPEAKER_20 (26:11):
Sure.
I think getting away from therace weekend shoes gives them
more of a chance to get a biggerstock out there, also so that
they don't have to say, okay,oh, if I have you know extra
shoes, I could keep selling themand not have to worry about not
have to worry about, yeah, I gotall these extra wine and dine

(26:32):
shoes that no one wants to buy.

SPEAKER_07 (26:34):
Yep, the race weekend's already gone.
So if anything, if it's afterthe race weekend, then it'd feel
like you know, I should probablyput them on sale because it's
after the fact, it's not duringthe race.
So I feel like what John'ssaying is more prevalent with
you can sell it all year orhowever long you want.

SPEAKER_17 (26:50):
So I think I'm of the camp that we could see them
going away from the weekend shoeper se and moving towards the
character shoe for the solereason that I think Disneyland
Halloween was their transitionperiod because when you look at
the shoe that they released forthat race, it was cute.

(27:12):
The shoe itself was mostlyUrsula themed, but obviously
they put the Disneyland logo onthe back of the shoe, and in
theory, that was the onlyindication of it being the race
weekend shoe.
You know, it's not like itfeatured other villains and

(27:34):
such.
So I I like I said, I thinkthey're probably taking um a
page out of you know old school,you know, new bounds back when
you know those shoes were flyingoff the shelves back you know
ten plus years ago.
Uh and I it should be aninteresting business venture if
that's the uh decision theydecide to go in.

SPEAKER_16 (27:52):
Yeah, I just think it's funny that you said the
sole reason when you weretalking about shoes, and we all
let you go on it, but let's movealong.
Um wrapping up a couple of oddsand ends about uh wine and dine
weekend, expo passes should beout on Monday.
That's always fun.

(28:13):
Just another step along the way.
Get your expo pass, you get yourbib number.
You won't know what your corralis, but it'll be fun because
everybody on the socials will bespeculating which bib numbers go
in which corrals.
And a lot of times they'repretty close.

SPEAKER_06 (28:30):
Bob, did you say step along the way to transition
from the SHIEU talk?

SPEAKER_16 (28:35):
I did.
I did that on purpose.
I'm glad that was very astute ofyou to pick up on that.

SPEAKER_06 (28:39):
I didn't want to let that one go too.

SPEAKER_16 (28:41):
That was good.
That was good.
You should be getting an email.
In fact, by the time you'relistening to this, you should
have it.
An email with your$15 gift cardcode that has to be used pretty
much before you leave.

(29:02):
It has a short expiration dateon it.
It might be the week after therace or so.
But it's fifteen bucks.
Just tell yourself to use it.
It's so easy to forget, but it'syours.
You paid for it.
So use it, use it at the afterparty.
How heck, use it the firstafternoon that you're there at

(29:22):
uh the food and wine festival.
Use it at the expo.
Yeah, can you use it at theexpo?

SPEAKER_20 (29:29):
Yeah, it's a gift card.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (29:32):
You can use it anywhere that you can use a
Disney gift card, but reminderthat that's for individuals
doing the half marathon or thechallenge.

SPEAKER_16 (29:39):
Yeah, right, right.
It's it's just like the afterparty.
Which, by the way, you shouldhave your after party tickets by
now.

SPEAKER_12 (29:46):
Caution runners, the topic is about to change right
now.

SPEAKER_16 (29:51):
This is a good time to ask What would Alicia do?

SPEAKER_03 (30:00):
Well, Bob, I think that's a great transition.
Um, because, well, my what wouldAlicia do this week is kind of
twofold.
So the first part is to trustyour training.
We're coming into a raceweekend, which is super
exciting.
Um, so trust that training thatyou've done and make sure that
you're still continuing to trainup until we get to those races.

(30:21):
But then also our friends whoare doing marathon weekend, I
know we're getting into thosereally, really long miles.
Um, so trusting that training.
Um, but on the other side of it,I know we've talked to you, Bob,
about um having surgery and kindof recovering from that.
And John, you had mentioned lastweek that your knee was
bothering you, and Jack, yourhip.

(30:43):
And then myself, um, the otherday I woke up and my ankle has
been bugging me.
Um, so being mindful of yourbody and listening to what it
needs.
So, John, you had mentioned umthat you cut your run short.
I am able to walk.
Um, and Jack, you said you wereable to walk as well for your
injuries.

(31:04):
Um, to just listen to what yourbody needs so that it doesn't
turn into anything serious.
Um, yeah, trust in your trainingand listen to your body are the
biggest takeaways.

SPEAKER_16 (31:16):
Get to the start line.

SPEAKER_03 (31:18):
Yes.

SPEAKER_16 (31:19):
Yeah, there's two lines you want to finish, but
you gotta there's two lines youwant to cross.
But you gotta cross that startline if you're gonna cross the
finish line.
Absolutely.
So good advice.
Good advice, Alicia.
Thanks.
And that by golly, that's whatAlicia would do.

SPEAKER_12 (31:36):
Caution runners, change of topic ahead.

SPEAKER_20 (31:41):
You might know our next guest as the host of the
New York City Rise and RunMeetup featuring the Will Run
for podcast.
Or you might recognize him atRun Disney events with his
trademark purple hat.
But today we're going to talk toauthor Doug Gordon, co-author of
Life After Cars, FreeingOurselves from the Tyranny of
the Automobile.
Doug Books challenged us is toimagine a world that moves a

(32:03):
little more like Disney World,where the streets belong to the
people, not traffic, andtransportation feels more like
the monorail than the morningcommute.
Doug, welcome aboard.
Oh, I love that intro.
That was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (32:15):
That was like a better summary of the book than
I ever could have come up with.
All right, good night.
Good night, everybody.

SPEAKER_20 (32:21):
Right.
Yeah, that's it.
So, Doug, what inspired you tostart this book?

SPEAKER_00 (32:27):
Well, um, I've been a safe streets activist in New
York City for a really longtime, um, focused on pedestrian
issues and cycling issues andthings like that.
And um started a blog a longtime ago.
I've been writing about theseissues for a long time.
My background is in televisionproduction.
And um in 2016, my co-hosts andI um we had talked about

(32:52):
starting a podcast.
It it you know how these thingscan be.
It didn't really pick up until2018.
We're like, let's finally do it.
And um, we started a podcastcalled The War on Cars, which is
a sort of tongue-in-cheekreference to the things people
say when you try to repurposestreet space away from
automobiles and towardspeople-centric uses like

(33:12):
cycling, walking, and transit.
And um, so we've been doing thatfor a really long time.
And then in 2022, 2023, both aneditor and a uh pair of agents
came to us and said, Have youever thought about writing a
book?
It's like, it seems like there'ssomething about this subject
that's kind of in the zeitgeistright now, you know, especially

(33:34):
post-COVID, where people hadbeen, you know, picking up
e-biking and a lot of cities hadturned to outdoor dining to get
them through the pandemic.
Um, so we, you know, put ourpens to paper or fingers to our
keyboards and started working onthis book.

SPEAKER_16 (33:50):
Now we understand the the premise of the book, but
you gotta, I think that theremust be times when you feel like
you're tilting at windmills hereor that it's a real challenge.
You have to get people.
So how do you envision arealistic transition to a
post-car society?

SPEAKER_00 (34:10):
Yeah, and I should be clear that like the book is
called Life After Cars, but it'snot life without cars.
Like the idea of the book isthat we understand that, you
know, 99% of the United States,you need a car to get where
you're going.
And even in the places where youcan get around with good transit
and walking and cycling, I livein Brooklyn, you know, like I

(34:31):
have two subway stops within afive or 10-minute walk of my
house.
I don't own a car.
I have, you know, more bikesthan children.
Um, then like even in anenvironment like this, there are
people, elderly people or peoplewith mobility issues, who need
access to an automobile, eithertheir own or someone else's, to
get to the places they need togo.

(34:52):
So the argument we're sort ofmaking in the book is not so
much like, no cars, never.
It's more that like in the USspecifically in North America,
really, we have overdeployedcars and we want to envision a
world where maybe you are in atwo-car household, but you could
envision yourself, like, what ifwe could get what rid of one of

(35:12):
those cars, right?
What if one of us in, let's say,a married couple or in a family
or just roommates, right?
Could say, like, I'm gonna workfrom home and then I'm gonna
e-bike to the grocery store justto get that gallon of milk
instead of taking the FordF-150, right?
Like doesn't really make a wholelot of sense.
Um, we want people to haveoptions.

(35:32):
Um, that's really sort of thegoal of the book is to envision
a life where, you know, it saysfreeing ourselves from the
tyranny of the automobile.
And that's a pretty deliberatechoice and a provocative one to
say that.
But if you think about what likethe word tyranny means, it's
sort of like an environment or asystem in which you can never
stop thinking about this thingthat dominates your life.

(35:56):
And for Americans, that's thecar in many ways, right?
Like you take the kids to schoolin the car, you go grocery
shopping in the car, you a lotof people listening to this
probably have to get in the carto go someplace where they can
start to go running, forexample.
Um, you know, our whole livesare centered around the car.

(36:16):
And I have lived in verycar-centric places.
I've lived in Atlanta, I grew upin a suburb north of Boston, and
it, you know, not every placehas to be Brooklyn or Manhattan.
Things can be your sort of moretraditional American Norman
Rockwell-esque main streets, um,Main Street USA, where um, you
know, you don't need to get in acar for every last thing that

(36:38):
you do.
And that's sort of the argumentthat we're we're making.
Um, cars have their place,they've just been placed in
probably too many places, ifthat makes sense.

SPEAKER_16 (36:47):
It does.
It does make it does.
We yeah, we are you're alreadygetting into some Disney
parallels for us, uh, MainStreet USA being one of them.
How many, you know, and I'm offthe board here as far as the
book, but I think people don'trealize sometimes they stop and
think about it, how manydifferent modes of

(37:07):
transportation there are at WaltDisney World aside from your
car.

SPEAKER_00 (37:12):
Yeah, and it's really funny because like part
of why I'm a Disney Parks fan isbecause of the urban design and
my fascination with how theyjust move so many people.
And for those of us who do runDisney, of course, that's never
more evident than on a racemorning where you wake up and
you walk outside of your hoteland there are 10 buses lined up,

(37:34):
you know, if you're a popcentury, like you know, and
they're ready to um just get youall to the start line.
And then as soon as you're done,usually you can pop back on a
bus and then get on the Skylinerand walk through Epcot or get on
the monorail.
Like there's so many differentways.
There are ferries and all therest.
Um, and you know, a lot of thatis for many Americans, right?

(37:57):
Their only experience withtaking any sort of public
transportation um to get wherethey're going.
It's funny, I feel like the busgets a bad rap at the Disney
resorts.
I love the bus because I'm justso used to taking them in New
York City.

SPEAKER_05 (38:11):
I love the bus too.

SPEAKER_00 (38:12):
Yeah, I think the buses are great.
I think some people, you know,obviously prefer the monorail
resorts or being able to walk tothe front of Magic Kingdom from
contemporary.
But uh, yeah, like that is kindof the fascinating thing.
And something we talk a littlebit about in the book is that we
intuitively understand that alife with fewer cars in it is

(38:33):
better.
And the revealed preferencethere is where we choose to go
on vacation.
Usually, except for you know, aroad trip that takes you across
country or like out into natureto go camping, you you tend to
not center your vacationdestinations around the need to
drive every day.
Um, you go to Disney and youditch the car at the front gate,

(38:54):
you know, in the lot or at thehotel, um, and you rely on the
transportation there.
You go to a boardwalk town andyou rent a bicycle and you, you
know, or go for a stroll on theboardwalk at the beach.
You go to like Mackinac Islandin Michigan, right?
Which is a car, mostly car-freeisland, or you go to Paris or
Amsterdam or London, you know,any of the great European

(39:17):
cities, and you don't ever walkaround those places and think,
oh man, I wish I had spent moretime sitting in traffic.
You know, you think you thinkstrolling those places is
incredible.
Um, and that's so we intuitivelydo understand that the problem
we have as Americans is likeenvisioning how could we bring
some of that back to where welive, you know, so that I didn't

(39:38):
have to get into a car for everylast thing that I do.
And again, I like to drive, youknow, like I I have owned cars
in the past.
I love like the road trip.
I drove across America after Ium graduated college, and it was
really great to see the countrythat way.
Um, but you know, not having todo it for every last trip is is
sort of what we're getting at.

SPEAKER_16 (39:57):
I was just thinking about uh I'm heading to a cruise
here.
You talked about I'm not gonnatake my car on the boat.

SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
So no, that would not work if you took your car on
the boat, nor would it work ifeveryone tried to park on Main
Street USA for sure.

SPEAKER_16 (40:10):
You know, carrying on just a little bit further
with this, Doug, the idea ofDisney and Epcot and the way
Walt, who never lived to see itopen, of course, but the way he
originally envisioned it.
I remember seeing a piece on uhDisney Channel, I guess, where
Walt was doing some planning forthe New York World's Fair.

(40:32):
He's in New York City and helooks over and he sees uh the
plans for the transportationsystem, the subway, and the
highways that are being built inand around New York City, and he
goes, That's the way to movepeople around.
And that's what I want to do inmy experimental prototype

(40:55):
community of tomorrow, which weknow didn't turn out exactly
what Walt wanted, but that wasthe direction he was going on
that.

SPEAKER_00 (41:03):
Yeah, it's really interesting because when you
look at the history of theDisney parks, they're
intricately tied totransportation, right?
Like you can go all the way backto Walt's childhood and his
upbringing and his fascinationwith railways, right?
And um, and how much thosefactor into the design of
Disneyland and Walt DisneyWorld, you know, right?
They're encircled by theDisneyland Railroad, for

(41:25):
example.
Um, and so they do play a bigpart.
And Disneyland's location inAnaheim is part partially chosen
because that's where two newhighways were converging that
could bring people, you know,basically from elsewhere in
California down.
So like cars and transportationare just part and parcel of the
Disney Parks story.

(41:45):
And also, you know, at the timethat Disneyland opened, and at
the time that the World's Fairwas happening, where what where
Disney was doing stuff with uhthe Ford Motor Company, for
example, um, you know, cars wereseen as the wave of the future.
They were this sort of likehighways where you could whisk
people in and out of cities atat high speeds.

(42:08):
That was kind of seen as the waythings were gonna work for the
next hundred years.
There's a reason Autopia, acar-driven attraction with
gas-powered cars, which we lookat as like almost antiques in
the electric vehicle age, is inTomorrowland in Disneyland,
right?
Because at the time in 1955, itwas seen as the wave of the

(42:32):
future.
Um, and interestingly, I'mworking on an episode for the
podcast about Disney's plan toswitch those vehicles to
electric, hopefully next year.
Um, and yeah, and then you know,you switch to Walt Disney World
and you know, moving the parksort of away from like being
surrounded by highways and roadsand all of the bad negative

(42:56):
things that that was associatedwith.
That was part of the plan.
But yeah, you know, Epcot, um,there's a really great film that
you can find on YouTube, it'sprobably included in what you
were watching, Bob, of WaltDisney talking about the plans
for Epcot.
And it was supposed to be likethe city, the Progress City,
USA.
It was supposed to be a city ofthe future with monorails and

(43:17):
people movers, where you wouldleave your cars on the periphery
of the city and take a peoplemover or a monorail into the
center, which would becompletely car free.
Your houses wouldn't havegarages, and you would live in
this experimental prototype cityof tomorrow.
And in his version of the cityof tomorrow, it involved very
few automobiles.

(43:38):
Um, and it's funny because thereis actually, I looked up a great
quote from Walt Disney, which islike this could be taken
straight out of our book.
He said, I'm not against theautomobile, but I just feel that
you can design so that theautomobile is there, but still
put people back as pedestriansagain.
You know, and and what we sortof get at in the book is, you
know, think about when WaltDisney was born and where he

(44:00):
lived.
He lived in a life he lived alife before cars, right?
And he would have seen the worldget better in some ways as cars
grew, but worse in a lot ofother ways, with injuries and
deaths and pollution, especiallyin California where he was
living.
And um, so he would have known,like, yeah, we can return to

(44:23):
traditional values, notsacrifice technology, because
Epcot was supposed to be loadedwith new technology, but have
fewer cars in there.
So yeah, you know, unfortunatelythat vision didn't pan out.
Um, and now it's more of a sortof permanent world's fair or
IP-based park, but it's, youknow, the DNA is still there.

SPEAKER_03 (44:44):
So you just mentioned something about um the
injuries that can happen.
And in the book, there's a lotof different facts on how um
injuries of car accidents andthen also pedestrians being hit
um happen throughout the timethat cars have been a thing.
Um and I wanted to ask you,looking at the book, what is the

(45:06):
way that um people can give uptheir cars but also be safe with
doing that, with being um acyclist?
Or I mean, we know as runnersthat like when we're out there,
we have to be hyper-vigilantbecause there are cars.
Um so if somebody wants to kindof move away um and move into a
less car world, how can they dothat safely?

SPEAKER_00 (45:29):
Yeah, it's a funny question.
And um, first of all, I justwant to say I didn't say like
thank you just for having me onthe show because this is a
departure of topics of sorts foryou.
But I think, you know, cars andthe relationship to us as
runners is is like you'resaying, Alicia, very important.
I was before I was preparing forthis, I was thinking of you all
heard the story of that superrunner, Fuja Singh, who was like

(45:52):
allegedly 114 years old and diedin India.
Um, he was still runningmarathons, apparently.
He died, he was hit by a driverin a hit and run.
Um, you know, what a way to goafter 114 years and being that
physically active.
But yeah, you know, so we do allthe things, right?
Like we wear reflective clothingand bright clothing, or we have
lights on our sneakers orheadlamps when we go out early,

(46:13):
especially now as the clocks areabout to change and it's getting
darker, depending on where youlive.
Um I, as an advocate, tend tofocus more on systemic solutions
to these problems, right?
There's a lot of, um, asAmericans, we're often, there's
a lot of rugged individualism.
You're responsible for your ownhealth and safety.

(46:34):
And I think, yeah, you know,that's a it's good advice to
tell someone when you're runningon a busy road, you know, run
opposite of traffic, make sureyou're really being safe.
A lot of drivers are looking attheir phones and not expecting
to see people on the side of theroad, cyclists or runners.
And so, yes, you do have to takesome individual responsibility.

(46:55):
But the message we're puttingout in the book is actually more
that there are systemicsolutions.
So that can be, you know,advocating in your community for
sidewalks, you know, finding apopular running route, right?
Where and saying, hey, wait aminute.
Like, we know dozens of peoplelove to use this road for their
regular training or for walks.

(47:16):
Like, could we get a sort ofwider shoulder there?
Could we get some sort ofseparation that the town or city
could install so that driverscan't hit a person or that they
have enough space to beseparated from them?
Um, could the speed limit bedropped?
Because we know that, you know,a pedestrian hit at about 20

(47:36):
miles an hour has a fairly goodchance of um just walking away
with minor injuries.
And that goes up exponentiallyas the speed of the car goes up.
And with the size of cars thesedays and SUVs, um, you know,
getting hit by a car at 40 or 45miles an hour is almost
certainly a death sentence formost people.

(47:58):
So, you know, lowering the speedlimit has been a really
effective thing in places,especially where you expect
there to be a lot ofpedestrians, you know, near
schools, um, near parks, nearsenior centers, those are really
that's a really effective way todo it.
Um, sometimes you need to do alittle more than just put up a
new sign that says 25 miles anhour instead of 35 miles an

(48:20):
hour.
You need to actually buildthings into the road that will
slow drivers down.
But that's that's my biggestadvice to people is like if you
love running and you loverunners' safety or cycling and
training, like you kind of haveto be a little bit of an
advocate.
You know, find out who's incharge in your city and ask them
like, why is this road wherepeople love to run on or bike on

(48:41):
or just walk on to get to schoolor whatever?
Why is it so dangerous and whatcan we do about it?

SPEAKER_06 (48:46):
So bringing it back to Walt Disney World, um, in a
lot of ways, the Disney parksshow us that people can rely on
other kinds of transportationbesides cars.
Um, and you know, they have theskyliner, the monorail, the
buses.
Do you see the Disney parks aslike a real world model for a

(49:11):
car-free future?
Or um, you know, something tobase it off of?

SPEAKER_00 (49:17):
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I think it's
sometimes helpful to to thinkabout how Disney sees itself,
right?
Like a lot of attractions aresponsored by major corporations,
even Tron, I think, is sponsoredby Enterprise, a rental car
company.
Um, so like even they expect youto go to the park and take
something home, right?
And like when you then need torent a car, when you go on your

(49:39):
next vacation, not to Disney,they're like, oh, Enterprise.
Like, like there's somethingabout the Disney parks, right,
that influence our lives whenwe're not in it.
Um and Disney has always beenthat way, whether it was the
original version of Epcot, wherethese were all sort of like
science and education-basedpavilions that wanted to teach
people stuff.
And many of those were sponsoredby big corporations, include, if

(50:03):
you're old enough, you rememberlike Universe of Energy, right?
Um, and things like that.
And people do take those lessonshome.
Um, Tomorrowland was reallysupposed to be like this is the
vision of the future.
Um, the various ways in which wetransport ourselves around, the
monorail.

(50:23):
While Disney, um, they had hehad visions of monorails up and
down California to get peoplefrom LA and various places
outside of Anaheim to the parks.
It wasn't just going to be thissort of like hotel loop that it
does now or into Tomorrowland.
Or in Disney World, you know,the monorail was meant to be

(50:44):
expanded and was when Epcotopened.
Um, the people mover, you can goto the Houston airport and you
can find the only other Wedway,I think Wed, you know, the only
other imagineering designedpeople mover, I believe, outside
of Disney World is at the air,one of the one of the airports

(51:04):
in Houston.
I can't remember if it's Hobbyor George Bush, but there is the
same technology that moves thepeople mover in Tomorrowland in
Walt Disney World.
It's a slightly differentdesigned vehicle, but it's the
same sort of like magneticsquares that push the vehicle
forward.
And there was this idea thatlike they would sell this
technology to other cities.

(51:25):
I think on the individual level,like I, you know, people get
familiar with using the bus orthey get on a train, they
understand, like, oh, I have toget up for the old person who
needs to sit down on the bus.
Like stuff that I take forgranted as a New Yorker.
It's fun to watch people do atDisney World.
I was also thinking about justhow much we walk at Disney

(51:46):
World, you know, um, I theaverage person in Disney World
gets between 15,000 and 30,000steps per day, as opposed to
three to 5,000 steps at home,which is far less than the sort
of conventional 10,000 stepsthat we often are told to do
every day.
So, you know, even I, as a NewYorker who walks everywhere, I

(52:08):
go to Disney World and my stepcounts are just not even
including the races, are justincredible.
So I think it does teach peoplelike, huh, like I can lug a
stroller, you know, onto a bus.
I can take a mobility scooteronto the monorail.
Like maybe I don't have to get acar for every last thing that I
that I do.

SPEAKER_06 (52:28):
I think about like whenever I'm traveling, um
albeit Europe or Japan or DisneyWorld or anything like that, you
know, how different my stepcount is, um, like you were
mentioning, but you know, alsoconversely, how difficult it is

(52:49):
to even get 10,000 steps in aday at home.
Um, and how you have to make aconscious effort to, okay, I
have to go walk somewhere sothat I can get steps.
And I mean, I live in Atlanta,and I'm trying to think of like,
you know, how can we take theworld that I live in where yeah,

(53:13):
there are sidewalks, but I kindof have to use my card to get
around, you know, and as much asI wish that you know, where I
live was like New York City andI could walk everywhere, that's
not what that's not realisticfor me.
Um so like you mentioned earlierbeing an advocate, but like how

(53:39):
with the life, you know, aftercars and not having cars, with
that mindset, how do youtransform that into suburbia
suburbia?

SPEAKER_00 (53:51):
Yeah, I mean, I think I used to live in Atlanta
and I had the same problem.
You know, I lived in a likerelatively new housing uh
apartment complex and there wasa pool and a fitness center.
But like once I was home fromwork, like I had to make if I
had to go get something, I waslike, oh, I need to get in the
car.
Like there was a sidewalk up tothe main road, but crossing that
main road to the grocery storewas like you were taking your

(54:14):
life in your hands if you triedto do that.
And so it was just easier todrive.
And that was what I defaulted toall the time.
And, you know, yeah, and and I Ido like to say it doesn't have
to be New York City, it doesn'thave to be Manhattan, it doesn't
have to be Chicago, you know,the loop or something like that.
When you think of liketraditional American suburbs

(54:35):
before World War II, like whatwe call streetcar suburbs, like
the Chicago suburbs.
I'm thinking of, you know,Alicia, you're in Minnesota,
like there are neighborhoods inMinneapolis that are like
perfectly walkable, but stillhave single family homes.
Um, it can be things, it reallycomes down to zoning, you know,
making sure that like it doesn'thave to be that there's like a

(54:55):
massive downtown, you know,around the corner from you where
you have everything you need.
But what if there was like alittle market, you know, just
walking distance.
So you didn't have to cross thatbig road.
So when you needed eggs becauseyou forgot them and you're
baking something, you don'tthink to yourself, oh, you know,
I gotta get in the car.
I gotta go find parking, I gottathen drive back.

(55:16):
And oh, it's five o'clock on aFriday and it's the traffic.
I think a lot of it comes downto zoning.
Um, and we can repair a lot ofthose places.
Something we talk about a lot inthe book is the concept of
repair.
You know, Atlanta, there areneighborhoods where like just a
few little tweaks, they wouldn'tturn into Manhattan, but they
might make it a little morepossible for you to drive, let's

(55:39):
say, 10 to 15% less, right?
Um, and that's that's sort ofwhat we're going for.
I I sometimes liken the activismthat I do to like a meatless
Monday sort of um activism whereyou know you're not telling
people to who love cheeseburgersand a good steak to quit it
entirely.
You're just saying, like, whatif you made little tweaks to
your lifestyle?

(56:00):
Or what if you went to the citycouncil meeting and said, how
come this road is so dangerous?
There's a school on one side anda park on the other, and no way
for the kids after school to goto the park without driving.
That makes no sense.
And so just fixing oneintersection, you know, I think
especially now where theproblems our country and our
world face are so big and itjust feels like nothing can be

(56:24):
fixed, and our politics are sobroken.
What I love about Safe Streetsadvocacy is like you can fix
that corner that is dangerous.
You you can be a squeaky wheeland get a safer crosswalk or a
traffic light put in.
And it's very rewarding.
And it's the kind of activismthat kids can do, that older
people can do, and that benefitseveryone.

(56:44):
So it's sort of a long-windedanswer of like, yeah, like
Atlanta's not, it took, youknow, it took a long time for
Atlanta to look the way that itlooks today, and it will take a
long time for it to look likesomething different.
Um, and it probably won't looklike anything we can imagine
right now, but there are ways tofix it.

SPEAKER_16 (57:03):
Interesting, Atlanta.
I know you don't have to go far.
Go to Peachtree City, justoutside of Atlanta.
Yep.
And people are driving golfcarts.

SPEAKER_00 (57:12):
Or the villages in Florida, right?
You know, like same same conceptas well.
Right.
Golf carts.
And and that's the thing.
It's like sometimes thismovement gets reduced to like,
oh, you want everyone to ride abike and not everyone can ride a
bike.
But like, yeah, golf carts andother mobility devices are a
really good option for people.
You know, the average trip um inthe United States is under three
miles.

(57:32):
I think something like about sixabout 50 to 60 percent of most
of the trips that we make areunder six miles, and most of
them are under three.
And for most able-bodied people,that is a walkable distance, a
bikeable distance, or ane-bikeable distance.
Um, and yeah, you know, thereare things you have to consider
like weather and terrain andthat kind of stuff, and it has

(57:53):
to be a safe route in order foryou to want to get into the golf
cart or the e-bike.
But these are distances we've,especially this community of
runners, um, can do.

SPEAKER_16 (58:04):
A favorite comedian of mine whose name is escaping
me right now, DeadpanDeliveries, every place is
walking distance if you haveenough time.

SPEAKER_00 (58:14):
That's gotta be Stephen Wright, right?
Stephen Wright, yeah.
Stephen Wright, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (58:19):
Yeah, yeah.

unknown (58:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (58:20):
That's a good one.
Uh and there is an element tothat too.
I mean, um, my supermarket's aneasy walk distance for me, but
even at a good pace, it's gonnatake me 30, 35 minutes to make
that round trip.

SPEAKER_07 (58:33):
Whereas if I get get in the corner, and depends on
how much you're buying and stufftoo.

SPEAKER_00 (58:38):
Yeah, and you want the walk to be pleasant, right?
It's not just about how farthings are.
Like something can be veryclose, right?
It can be less than a mile away.
But if what's between here andthere is either a dangerous road
or just kind of an unpleasantwalking environment, even if
there are sidewalks, you don'twant to do that, you know.
Right, yeah, you know, likethere's all sorts of reasons.

(59:00):
And again, that's why it's notan absolute movement, right?
It's like there, I I use a carevery now and then, like to get
to the airport early in themorning, like I'm I'm calling
Uber, right?
And like, because there's nopublic transportation that's
gonna get me where I need to goand the time I need to do it,
even here in New York.
And um, so again, it's not anabsolutist movement at
whatsoever.

SPEAKER_20 (59:20):
If Epcot was built as Walt imagined, right?
With people movers, monorail,and no personal cars, do you
think it could have changed howAmerica's cities were developed?

SPEAKER_00 (59:31):
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, I think part of thereason you're seeing, like I
said, this is a kind of likezeitgeisty book.
It's really in the ether rightnow.
Part of the reason you're seeingso much interest in this isn't
just because of like COVID, andas I was mentioning, you know,
the uptake in e biking andoutdoor dining, but um we're all
traveling again post COVID,right?

(59:52):
And you know, people do go toEuropean cities or they ride a
train in Japan and they think,oh man, like that's amazing.
So we have Have these real worldexamples, um, this being the
United States where everything'slike a little more based in
capitalism and corporateculture, the idea that like if
we had Walt's vision of Epcotwith like corporations switching

(01:00:13):
out appliances in your home andyou know, new transportation
technology, you can totallyimagine it being a place where
urban planners would come totoday to like test stuff out in
a controlled environment beforeunleashing it in the streets of
you know Minneapolis or Atlantaor Miami or something like that

(01:00:33):
or a small town somewhere.
You you can absolutely see likeall the driverless car
technology that we're seeingbeing tested out in Arizona or
San Francisco or a city near yousoon, that like they would
partner with um Waymo orsomething like that to have cars
running around Epcot and testingout new people mover technology.

(01:00:54):
And you could see it being likea learning hub for urban
planners and politicians andelecteds.
Thankfully, like I said, I thinkpeople are you can go to
Montreal, right?
And you can see bike lanes thatare being used all winter long
and a hilly city with wherepeople bike, and um, you know,
Minneapolis is building some ofthe best bike infrastructure in

(01:01:14):
the country.
Again, a very cold city, um, andyet really hardy people who use
the infrastructure because it'ssafe.
Um, so I think like the answeris yes, and like we would
probably go to Epcot for all thereasons I've decided, but there
are so many examples now aroundthe world that people can point
to, including my own backyard ofNew York, where we're just like

(01:01:37):
putting in new bike lanes, newbusways, new pedestrian plazas,
it seems like every day.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:42):
So if you could design a new Disney park or land
inspired by life after cars,what would it look like?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:49):
I mean, I think it would mostly just look I love
the radial design of um MagicKingdom and Disneyland.
Like I love this idea that youwalk in and it's like a movie
set and it just opens up andspreads out before you, and you
always have the anchor of thecastle to come back to.
So I wouldn't, you know, if itain't broke, don't fix it.
I wouldn't go too far from that.

(01:02:13):
You know, maybe I'd update somestuff, but I'm just such a
classic lover of that park andhow it's designed that I don't
know if I would change much.
Like maybe that's not asatisfying answer.
I wish I'd thought about it moreahead of time.
Um, you know, if you reallythink about Main Street USA,

(01:02:33):
there are cars on Main StreetUSA, right?
There's the omnibus and there'sthe horse-drawn trolley, and
there's like the old timeysmaller car.
And you either take that becauseit's just fun.
I've ridden those because it'slike it's just so cool to be in
those.
And, or because they're therebecause like if you need a
little help walking down thestreet, you know, um, you can

(01:02:54):
have that as an option for you.
Or you can take the train andjust bypass Main Street
altogether.
Um, so it's kind of perfect inits own way.
You know, you think about thedesign of the buildings.
I was talking about earlier,that like it matters what's
between here and there.
When you walk down Main Street,a lot of those stores, I think

(01:03:15):
especially like on the rightside of the street, like there's
nothing in them, right?
They're just facades.
Um, and on the left side of thestreet as you're walking down,
it's like all just one big sortof, they used to be separate
stores, but now it's just likeall one big continued arcade,
essentially.
Um, but the the experience ofwalking down that street is
great because there's so much tolook at, right?

(01:03:36):
There's so much, there's so manyother people to see.
That's part of the fun of goingto Disney World.
That's what it means to buildgreat places.
It's like, what is a place thatjust feels good to walk in?
And we all know it when we're atDisney World because we the
places we like to all be in arethat.
They have a lot of cool andinteresting things.

(01:03:56):
And there are places to sit.
That's the other piece of likein a city.
We're talking a lot aboutwalking, about running, about
cycling.
But part of what makes a reallygreat city a great city is when
you have the ability to linger.
And, you know, we don't reallyhave the ability to linger in a
lot of American cities becausethe experience of traffic
whizzing by and the noise andall the rest makes lingering

(01:04:20):
unpleasant.
Um, but that's not the case.
Like there's that one place inDisney World where we can sit
off on the right on Main Streetand like sit on a bench, you
know, and just watch.
That's incredible.
I that's a great place to sit.

SPEAKER_06 (01:04:33):
You know, the way that Main Street was created
with the stores and everythingwas a marketing reason.
Um, because whenever you'rewalking, uh typically you walk
on the right side of the street.
And when you're coming into WaltDisney World, you're more
focused on getting to thecastle.
But whenever you're exiting thepark on what will what then

(01:04:53):
would be your right side, that'swhere all the shops are.
So that you can see the case.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:56):
They want you to pick up some souvenirs on the
way out.

SPEAKER_16 (01:04:58):
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:00):
That's how they get you.

SPEAKER_16 (01:05:01):
Um and you know why we walk on the right side?

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:04):
Because that's where we drive.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Like taking the escalator in theUK, you you you do it the
opposite way.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (01:05:13):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 (01:05:14):
Um, I I do have an additional question.
Um, what are your thoughts onCarsland replacing the Liberty
Square, like the Liberty umbook?

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:27):
I love the Carsland in Disneyland.
I actually think it's like oneof the best designed new areas
of any Disney park that I'vebeen to.
And um, so I'm I am on the onehand looking forward to new, a
new piece of the park, you know,new something new coming in.
Um as it's funny, I am anadvocate and I often come up

(01:05:49):
against people who are very likeagainst change, right?
You're putting a bike lane on mystreet and you're gonna ruin it.
I've lived here for 50 years andwe never needed a bike lane
before, and it's ugly and Idon't like it, or like City Bike
is gonna ruin New York City,pedestrianizing Times Square is
gonna ruin New York City.
So I've heard all of thesethings before.

(01:06:09):
So when I when I hear thereaction to what's coming to um,
you know, the the rivers ofAmerica and that the cars area
is gonna take that over, Idefinitely understand the folks
who are like, you're gonna ruinDisney World.
I've been coming here for 50years, why do you have to change
this?
But at the same time, like inmuch in the way I think cities
should be dynamic, like the parkcan be dynamic too.

(01:06:32):
I I'm bummed to lose the riversand the view of like looking out
and seeing, you know, ThunderMountain and the reflection in
the water and all of that.
I think, and there's someargument to be made that like in
Florida, having water nearby isnice because it makes it a
little cooler sometimes.
But things change, citieschange, Disney was always
designed to change.

(01:06:53):
That was always Walt'sphilosophy of sort of, and it's
very much the New York Cityphilosophy.
There's a great E.
B.
White quote that like New Yorkwill be a wonderful city if
they're ever finished with it.
Um, and I think that that my dadused to joke that like as soon
as they finished fixed the thebeat the Bronx Cross Express,
the Cross Bronx Expressway,they'd have to start over and

(01:07:13):
finish again.
And that's what Disney is,right?
Like it's always in a state ofrepair or construction or
something new.
So I don't know.
I I I like change.
It's it's fun to experience newthings.
Okay, Doug.

SPEAKER_20 (01:07:26):
So uh your book, uh, what's the name of it again?
And where can we get it?

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:30):
Uh it's called Life After Cars
from the Tyranny of theAutomobile.
Uh it's I've written it with twoother co-authors, and you can go
to lifeaftercars.com.
Um, it will be available atevery bookstore you can imagine.
Ask for it.
We really love independentbookstores.
If you can support them, um, goask for it at your local
bookstore, walk, bike, or evendrive there.

(01:07:51):
It's okay.
Um, you can ask them for the forthe book.
In fact, it might even make itmore fun if you drive there and
get this book.
So, yeah, lifeaftercars.com.
And another question, which isreally important when are we
going to see you again down atDisney?
Um, not soon enough because Ilove all of you guys, and I'm so
thankful that I like was able tosee you in tiny form on my

(01:08:13):
screen tonight.
But I will be at um marathonweekend.
I'm doing my second dopey.
And then because of Book Tour,I'll be in Florida in February.
So I'm gonna pop over forPrincess, and I'm just doing
just the half.
And then I can't miss springtimesurprise, so I'll be there for
that.
So this will be a big 2026 RunDisney season for me.

SPEAKER_16 (01:08:33):
Yeah.
So we're just missing you atWine and Dine.
We get the rest of them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:37):
That's I will be cheering on a bunch of Run
Disney runners here in New YorkCity and hosting the once again
the Rise and Run Meetup.
Sorry, yeah, the Rise and Runmeetup host featuring the hosts
of uh we'll run for because Mikeis running.
Michael is running New York.
Yep.

SPEAKER_16 (01:08:57):
Hey Doug, thanks for joining us, man.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:58):
We appreciate the time.
Uh, I appreciate all of you somuch.
Thank you.

SPEAKER_12 (01:09:02):
Caution runners, the topic is about to change right
now.

SPEAKER_16 (01:09:08):
Doug's a good guy.
That's a good book.
And you can decide if you'reinterested or not.
He makes a lot of good points.
And I just looked it up onAmazon.
It is uh it's number one in uhwhat did I say in urban
development or something.
Anyway, it's number one insomething.
And what I really wanted to tellyou was there's an audiobook

(01:09:31):
available also.
And I know Doug and one of hisco-authors recorded part of it.
So we hope you enjoyed that.
Something to think about, huh?
Hey, uh back on wine and dine alittle bit.
Our meetup.
The cookie lady was workingtoday.
She had the Keebler Elves overhere helping her.

(01:09:53):
They are we're we're going to beheading over a bit early.
So cookies are in production forour meetup on Saturday at 3 p.m.
in the food truck area at DisneySprings.
And by gosh, guys, I just hopethat the weather is close to

(01:10:14):
what it is right now in Florida.
It's just about perfect.
It's really, really pleasant.
It's still high in the 80s inthe middle of the day, but you
get up in the morningtemperature in the 60s, the dew
point is down to 61, 62.
It just feels very nice rightnow.
So hopefully that will remain.

(01:10:35):
Now, before every race, uh weget together, we congregate by
the bleachers.
As you I'm gonna I'm gonnaaddress this to folks who
haven't been there before.
You get off the bus or you getout of your vehicle driving into
Epcot, you go through Epcotsecurity.

(01:10:56):
Just follow the crowd, it'll goaround, it'll go through the
area where all the names are onthe wall, and it'll take you,
and it'll take you into we cancall it the family reunion area,
but that's for after the race.
It's the same place, it's thegathering area before before you
go into the corrals.
So when you get there, you looktowards the stage, and uh set

(01:11:22):
back quite a little ways fromthe stage, there are a series of
bleachers.
We are, as you're looking at thestage, we hang out on the left
side of those bleachers.
So come by, say hello, uh I'llbe there, Alicia will be there,
John will be there.
We are we'll be excited to seeyou, and we'll be excited to

(01:11:44):
introduce you to the rest of theRise and Run family that'll be
hanging out there.
That's before each race.
And heck, maybe you can meet upwith somebody and do the race
with them.
That might be fun.
All right, as you know, Facebookdecided to end group chats.
We don't know why.
I I wish they hadn't becausethey're a big part of our

(01:12:05):
Facebook page and a big part ofwhat's helped to build this
family.
Regardless, they're gone.
What we're working on is settingup equivalent chats on the
Discord server.
We are working on that.
We'll have more information foryou as soon as we get a chance
to test it out.
We want to make sure everythingis just right before we release

(01:12:29):
that.
Okay, no Zoom this week.
The next scheduled Zoom would benext week, but we're going to be
at Disney World for that.
So the next Zoom meeting thatwe'll have will be the Thursday

(01:12:50):
after we get back from DisneyWorld.
And I don't know, we'll have tofind something to talk about,
but I think we'll be able tofigure something out.
Coming up next week, episode213.
Why, that's the one where we areat Disney World, and mostly
we'll be talking about wine anddine weekend.
And now, please stand clear ofthe door.

(01:13:14):
It's time for a race report.
The race report, sponsored byour friend Thomas Stokes of
Stoked Metabolic Training.
You heard Jack say she had justgotten back with Coach Tom.
I need to do that too.
I was I had to I had to stop,but I can get back now, and I'm

(01:13:40):
gonna do it after we get backfrom wine and dot.
I want to get back to heading tothe gym.
I'll have to be careful, but Ican do some strength training
again.
And I'm actually looking forwardto getting back and being part
of that also.
So Stokes.fit slash rise and runcoaching for more information,
or just take a look in ourfeatured section on the Facebook

(01:14:04):
page.
Well, as you know, friends, itwas Chicago Marathon weekend,
and Rise and Run was wellrepresented in the Chicago
Marathon.
I thought that was awesome.
And the are we are also wellrepresented here in the race
report spotlight.
We got a bunch of friends who'vejoined us, and I am going to ask

(01:14:25):
them to introduce themselves,starting with Jake.

SPEAKER_18 (01:14:27):
Hey, uh it's Jake Walker from Boston.
I uh this was my first worldmajor and my second marathon of
the year and of my life.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:36):
Um, my name is Mike Norton, um from Wrightsville,
Pennsylvania.
Um, this is my sixth marathonand second time doing Chicago
and third major.

SPEAKER_19 (01:14:47):
Hi, I'm Taylor Thompson.
I'm from Winchester, Virginia.
And this was my seventhmarathon, um, but first world
major.

SPEAKER_21 (01:14:56):
Hi, I'm Natalie O'Malley.
I live in Omaha, Nebraska, butoriginally hail from the
Chicagoland area, which you canusually tell by the way I say
Chicago.

SPEAKER_14 (01:15:05):
Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_21 (01:15:05):
This was my first world major and first non-Disney
marathon.
I've done the Walt Disney WorldMarathon three times.

SPEAKER_16 (01:15:12):
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
What happens if people try toput uh ketchup on a hot dog in
Chicago, Natalie?

SPEAKER_21 (01:15:17):
Not safe for work.

SPEAKER_15 (01:15:20):
All right, let's continue on.

SPEAKER_09 (01:15:22):
Hi, uh I'm Jennifer.
Um, from originally fromChicago, and no, you don't put
ketchup on a hot dog.
Secondly, um, this was my ninthmarathon, second time doing
Chicago.

SPEAKER_16 (01:15:34):
Um, and I guess Jennifer and Natalie, I'm not
from Chicago, but I would notput ketchup on a hot dog either.

SPEAKER_02 (01:15:42):
Hi, I'm Heather Cohen from St.
Cloud, Florida.
This was my um second Chicago,fourth world major, and
somewhere between 25th and 30thmarathon.
I'm not quite sure.

SPEAKER_23 (01:15:55):
Hi, I'm Dan Kelly.
I live in Lyle, Illinois, whichis a suburb about 30 miles west
of Chicago.
Not originally from there.
I grew up in the centralMichigan area.
Uh, but I'm also team no catchup on a hot dog, by the way.

SPEAKER_15 (01:16:10):
All right, you shouldn't.
Just for the record.

SPEAKER_23 (01:16:11):
You can see this this was my fifth marathon,
third marathon this year, firsttime doing Chicago, first world
major, and this was only mysecond non-Disney marathon.

SPEAKER_08 (01:16:26):
Hey, I'm Katie Mulkhi.
I'm up in Fishers, Indiana.
Um, this was my second marathon,first world major.
Um, but technically I put anasterisk next to my first one
because it was the marathon 2020in Disney, and I was far enough
back that I got cut a little bitof a coarse you know, cut.

SPEAKER_15 (01:16:46):
So the heat, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:16:48):
Yeah, so this one was my first full full, if you
will.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16:52):
Tracy Corus Howard, I'm in Altamont Springs,
Florida.
This is my sixth marathon, myfirst world major for Chicago.
Um, and yeah, just was superexcited to do that.

SPEAKER_16 (01:17:04):
Well, great.
All right, that's all the timewe got for tonight, guys.
Thanks a lot.
Appreciate you joining us.
It's a big crowd.
I'm glad you're all here.
Uh thanks.
Well, look, I let's take thingssequentially.
Uh, we're represented prettywell from throughout the
country, but how let's startwith uh the uh world major

(01:17:26):
marathon expo in Chicago.
And Natalie, anything specialabout the expo that you'd like
to talk about?

SPEAKER_21 (01:17:36):
There's a lot going on there.
Um, I'm used to you know theDisney of it all with our expos.
And uh it was in the best way.
There were so many differentvendors.
Um, I haven't been to theMcCormick place in a really long
time.
So it was great.
I loved the excitement andenergy in the room, the constant

(01:17:57):
cheering, the uh all thedifferent photo ops.
That was very Run Disneyreminiscent.
Um, every time I saw a differentperson in a Run Disney shirt, I
felt at home.
It's like, oh, okay, friend,dopey shirt, friend, uh, zippity
t-shirt, friend.
Um, so it was great.
It was great to see people, itwas great, uh, all kinds of

(01:18:18):
different every vendor you couldpretty much think of, uh, it was
fantastic.

SPEAKER_16 (01:18:22):
Any any great giveaways, Dan?

SPEAKER_23 (01:18:24):
You know, Bob, they had some good samples.
I honestly didn't spend thatmuch time at the expo.
Funny story, I was actuallythere twice because I went the
first time unplanned and decidedto try and go in early.
I was getting a little antsy, alittle FOMO.
So Friday afternoon I scooted inthinking I was gonna get in
there and get my bib and get theexpo experience, but I had a

(01:18:48):
work call I needed to jump on,and I got really stressed about
like getting in and out.
So I kind of just got my bib andmy shirt and walked around a
little bit on Friday.
But was so worried about it.
I forgot to pick up this itemthat I had pre-ordered a couple
of months ago.
So then I got an email onSaturday morning.

(01:19:10):
Hey, come pick up your thing, orwe're gonna put it back and
charge you a restock.
So I was like, okay, well, guesswhat?
I was gonna meet up with someRun Disney friends uh for dinner
on Saturday night anyway, so Ijust went in a little earlier
Saturday afternoon and got achance to go in, pick that up.
A tip for everyone don't get theFOMO.

(01:19:31):
The the merchandise is not likeat Disney where it sells out
quickly.
There was lots of merchandisethat I saw the whole time, and
frankly, it was a lot less busyon Saturday afternoon.
Much more chill experience onSaturday afternoon than it was
on Friday.
Um and I actually bumped intoRun Disney Zone with Carissa

(01:19:53):
Galloway at the expo on Fridayafternoon.
Yeah.
I would also say that the expoexperience there bib pickup and
shirt pickup was a breezecompared to at Run Disney.
It was much more efficient andquick.

SPEAKER_16 (01:20:10):
They've done this before.

SPEAKER_23 (01:20:13):
Just a few times.
47 times, I believe.

SPEAKER_16 (01:20:15):
Mike, had you been to Chicago before?

SPEAKER_01 (01:20:17):
Yes, I have been to Chicago.
I did uh the marathon there lastyear.
Um that was my first major umlast year.
Um and um it was quite theexperience last year because I
had never done a big majormarathon like that.
So it was a little biteye-opening, the amount of
people um that we saw.

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And this go-around was a littlebit different.
I was less stressed um than Iwas last year, and this year
also my wife um had her ownbooth at the expo, so we kind of
added on to that.
I was running and she wasrunning a booth.

SPEAKER_16 (01:20:57):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Yeah, I remember seeing that.
I remember that post.
That's that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:02):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 (01:21:02):
So it was it was you can put a you can put a plug in
if you want.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:06):
Yeah, uh her company, her side business, I
should say, is uh called GoldLeader Displays.
Um, she creates custom metaldisplays.
Um, and I don't they'rebeautiful.
Um, and it it was different.
Um, she was nervous.
We were ner I mean, we werenervous because it didn't know
how it would go, but we had alot of great conversations with

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people.
We got a lot of interest, andjust it was it was just a really
good time, I think.
It was a different side ofthings being on a convention at
that large scale, um, and justthe amount of people that it
that there was.
Um, but it was quite fantastic.

SPEAKER_09 (01:21:49):
I was just gonna add on to the the bib pickup system,
like that was quite efficient.
Like that was Disney efficient,like better than.
Like you put your IDs at onepoint and then you walked over
to a number tent and the ladyalready had your envelope for
you.
It was it was it helped the flowreally fast because 53,000

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runners, you know.
And even though you had aspecific time, I don't remember
what I had signed up for a monthago.
Um but as you know, Bob, thismorning I was an emotional mess.
I was an emotional mess theentire weekend.
I showed up, she handed me mybib, and I even posted, I have
cried twice getting my bib intwenty-three.

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I shouldn't have been there andthis weekend.
And then when my husband justkept looking at me, it's like,
Why are you crying?
I'm like, Because it's just beennine months of just you know,
all all the hard work, right?
And so I walked I walked intothat expo in tears.

SPEAKER_16 (01:22:46):
Well I know your story, but if you want to share
a little bit here about why thisthis is right, I was gonna say
you were the only one crying atthe expo, so you got a friend.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 (01:22:59):
Well, this you know, it's twenty years ago that I ran
this race.
Um and so that was a big deal.
I'm like, I wanna go back and doit.
It's twenty it's been twentyyears.
I want to try and see if I cankeep my time.
Yeah, okay.
Whatever.
But three years ago on the onthe 12th was when I got the
phone call from the doctor thatI was breast I had breast

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cancer.
And when then I wasn't supposedto do dopey.
I did dopey anyway.
Um so yeah, all the feels.
This was like this was the thebook end of that this story that
started three years ago.
Um so I think that's kind ofwhere all the emotion uh came
from.

SPEAKER_16 (01:23:36):
Oh, understandable.

SPEAKER_09 (01:23:38):
Yeah and for how the ending happened, and we will get
that when we get get there.
Um so yeah, that that's that'sthe that's the short crux of
that that story.
Um but I thought did pickup wasvery Disney um uh efficient in
that regard.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23:55):
So something unique about the expo at Chicago.
I did not take advantage, butit's actually an opportunity to
get a Paralympic classification.
They have a classification panelthat they hold um at the expo.
So I just thought that wasinteresting that they had that
opportunity there.

SPEAKER_20 (01:24:11):
Okay, so it's the expo.
You're done with the expo, but Iknow before the big race on
Sunday, there's a 5K onSaturday.
Did anyone do the 5K?
Taylor, tell us about it.

SPEAKER_19 (01:24:23):
Yeah, the 5K was really, really cool.
Something I really liked aboutthe 5K bib specifically was that
they had the country from whereyou were from on your bib.
And I loved looking around in mycorral and seeing where everyone
was from.
Like there was uh a dad and histwo sons from Norway, and then
there was another family fromCanada.

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I saw like the UK.
I saw a little bit ofeverything, but it was just
really cool to look around.
And you know, that's whatrunning's all about, brings
everyone together.
Um, so yeah, I did the 5K.
Um, it went by really fast.
I was like, wow, okay, this isgreat.
I'm ready for tomorrow.
I also did a shakeout on Friday,and I saw Connor Mance during my

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run.

SPEAKER_14 (01:25:04):
Oh no.

SPEAKER_19 (01:25:05):
Very excited about that.

SPEAKER_14 (01:25:06):
Oh bet, yeah.

SPEAKER_19 (01:25:07):
My fangirl, just just a little bit, but I didn't
stop him during his run becausehe's got important things to do.

SPEAKER_16 (01:25:12):
Oh, he probably was going by too fast anyway.

SPEAKER_19 (01:25:15):
He was in the opposite direction.

SPEAKER_16 (01:25:17):
Did he didn't he not send an American record?
Yeah, yeah.
He shattered that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:23):
Shattered, yeah.
I know when we talked to theBerlin folks, they did the 5K
ran part of the course.
Was that the case, Tracy, thatyou ran part of the course for
this one too?
Or was it a different course?

SPEAKER_04 (01:25:34):
I believe it was part of the course.
Uh so I have a horrible sense ofdirection, which is why I do
like 50 races a year.
So I just follow the lines, butI'm pretty sure, and somebody
else can chime in and say yes,I'm pretty sure it was part of
the course.
And it was just nice to get ataste of running around Chicago
and the weather was beautiful.
Um, one of the cool things Iliked about the 5K versus the

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marathon, the shirts for themarathon, I know we'll get
there, were terrible, like worsethan like the worst Run Disney
shirts.
Like, I'll never wear it.
But the 5K, they gave us theseawesome, like little hat beanie
things.
And I actually wore that duringthe run.
A lot of people did because itwas chilly enough for that.
So it was uh it was perfect tobe like I had a tank top and um
um a skirt on, like I normallydo, but the the hat kept the uh

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the heated enough to not need tolike wear pants for that.
So uh the hat is definitelysomething I couldn't wear again
versus the shirt that they gaveus marathon.

SPEAKER_02 (01:26:26):
Oh, I thought the 5k was amazing.
Um, they gave wheelchairs a headstart and there was only maybe
four or five of us.
So I was completely alone on thecourse for about a mile and a
half, which was just a reallyneat experience.
And then probably my favoritepart of the whole thing was the
other mile and a half.
Um, even though I was immersedin runners, I kept hearing lead
wheelchair, lead wheelchair,lead wheelchair on the radio.

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And to have that experience in aworld major was pretty cool.
That's and I think I set a 5kofficial race PR.

SPEAKER_16 (01:26:56):
All right, good for you.

SPEAKER_18 (01:26:59):
It's really, it was really a neat way to be able to
involve family in, you know, noteveryone obviously can do the
marathon, but um, there were somany families there who had
their their kids with them,spouses.
It was really um a great eventon on Saturday morning.
Weather was perfect and uh a lotof fun.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:19):
All right.
So we've gone through the expo,we've gone through the 5K.
Now let's get to the big day.
Um, we have the marathon.
How did that go, Katie, for you?

SPEAKER_08 (01:27:29):
Yeah, um, I was so excited the week leading up to
this race.
Um, I think I annoyed people atwork.
I think I annoyed my family.
I just kept saying, like, I'm soexcited for the unknown.
I think for the first time for arace, I felt fully trained.
I went to that 29 miles that shetold me to.

SPEAKER_14 (01:27:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 (01:27:50):
Um, and so I was so excited.
And then the morning I woke upand I was angry.
I didn't want to be there.
I was mad that I was doing it.
I was in such a weird headspace,um, which is so unfortunate.
Um honestly, I stayed in anegative headspace for the
majority of the race.
So it wasn't my personal bestrace day.

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Um, I had to push through a lotmentally, and then the physical
pain came on naturally.
Um, but by mile, once I hit mile24, I knew I was gonna make it.
I was coming close to the end.
Um, so it's one of those raceswhere I feel like I don't know
if I have much to celebrate, butI did do it.

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I didn't earn a star.
Um I started in the last corral,um, which I'm not typically in
the last corral in a Disneyrace.
Um, no shame though.
But I think for the first time Inoticed firsthand a course being
torn down while there's stillrunners out there.

SPEAKER_14 (01:28:50):
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_08 (01:28:51):
And it's just so disheartening to see.
Um, and I feel awful for thepeople who were behind me and
who were being chased by garbagetrucks picking up the water
stations and things like that.
Um, and so that was theunfortunate piece.
But the back of the Packers wereso strong together.
And I hope that if anyone elsewas in that back of the pack,

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like you felt the heart fromeveryone back there.
So I mean, it was a good day,like the weather was good until
it warmed up a little bit.
Um, but like personally, it justwasn't my day.

SPEAKER_16 (01:29:25):
Well, look, congratulations.
You still knocked out a worldmajor marathon, and that's one
more than I've ever done.
So, and a whole lot that's onemore than most of the rest of
the world has ever done.
So, good for you.
Natalie, how did it go for you?

SPEAKER_21 (01:29:38):
Well, um, so to take just things back, I ran for the
American Cancer Society as partof the big villains team.
And uh that was the perfect, andthat's the reason I decided to
join was that I saw it was thelast push was oh, it's a bunch
of Run Disney people?
I'm in uh in terms of joiningthe fundraising charity team.

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So Starting the race and youknow, having a walkout to the
corral from the Palmer House, awhole pre-race based space, your
own private gear check.
It just took the enorbity of arace with 53,000 of your closest
friends and then sort of shrunkit into, okay, here's like a
small group because there werealmost a thousand determination

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athletes.
And it was it was great.
Um, in terms of how my racewent, I didn't quite have the
best day for me.
I had a really good first half,and um I learned that the
Gatorade Endurance on the courtsand I are not friends.
So um, all things considered,and you know, taking it back to

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the purpose for which I ranAmerican Cancer Society and um
actually yesterday, by the timeeveryone's hearing it, is my
dad's uh passing aversary, deathaversary from pancreatic cancer
11 years ago.
So taking it everything back tothe purpose for which I was
doing it, I was like, I can dealwith a little tummy trouble.
And taking it back to like thegrit and the determination that

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I had to personally have andwhat I try, you know, I'd say it
wasn't the race I trained for,but it was a tough training
block.
And I had all that mentalresilience and I pushed through
it.
I pushed through everything Ineeded to do.
So, and I was still withinpretty good spitting distance of
my PR, which considering,considering everything that went
on, you know, I think, you know,it was electric.

(01:31:27):
It was amazing.
I had my family out on thecourse.
They all had uh these fat headsof both my childhood dogs and
the most current dogs because Iran up and I was like, oh, that
really looks like Cali.
And she's named after Cali RiverRapids.
And I go, wait, that is Cali.
And I like ran past my family.
Um, my in-laws and my husbandwere there too.

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It was my husband's first timespectating a marathon.
They all had Mickey ears andposters, like Disney themed
posters on, and they caught me acouple times on course.
And it was fantastic to have thesupport of, you know, other
friends from college who havematriculated back to Chicago,
other just friend people I know,like, oh, I saw you.
And it was great.
So even though it it might nothave been the day I like wanted,

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but it was the day that kind ofit invigorated my soul in a lot
of ways, and it really it mademe feel, you know, despite it
not being what I wanted out ofit.
Um it was it was one of theproudest marathons I'll ever
I'll I'll be proud of myself forbecause I gridded through that.
And now I just have, you know, alittle redemption tour that I'll

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have to make.

SPEAKER_15 (01:32:36):
Very good.

SPEAKER_02 (01:32:36):
So kind of like Natalie, I always do my majors
with Achilles International.
It's a great organization and itreally takes a really large
event and um brings it down tosomething more manageable,
particularly for some of us whohave a difficult time navigating
uh large cities like that.
Um, I do have to say our weekendstarted out a little bit rough.

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We learned Friday morning that ateammate who was supposed to be
racing with us um had beenkilled during her last training
push on Thursday.
Um, she was struck by a truckand um sadly lost her life.

SPEAKER_14 (01:33:13):
Yeah, that's awful.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:14):
It it's absolutely horrible.
And she would have been thebiggest cheerleader out there,
but we took that and instead ofletting it ruin our weekend, we
took it as motivation.
And um, I don't know if this iswhere you want this in the
report, but I use that asmotivation to attempt to PR.
My goal was to get sub four, andI got 350-59, which was a

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15-minute PR.
So even though I was a littletearful on the course, you know,
a little heavy hearted, um, Ithink she would have been proud
of me for that.

SPEAKER_16 (01:33:45):
Oh, yes, yes.
Uh, I I have no doubt that shewould have.
Well, what was let's uh let'ssay her name, please.

SPEAKER_02 (01:33:52):
Uh her name's Corey Peterson.
Um, she's a Marine Corps veteranwho races in a pushroom like me
with Achilles International.

SPEAKER_16 (01:33:58):
Yeah, we're so sorry that happened, but I I'm sure
you're right.
I'm sure she's proud of you.
I'm sure she wouldn't would havewanted you to continue and push
as you did.
So thanks for sharing that.

SPEAKER_23 (01:34:10):
I felt my training block for this one went really,
really well.
I felt strong, I felt readygoing in.
What I didn't realize was wasjust the immensity of the event,
really.
And also that world majors,especially, and this this I
talked about this morning on thecustomized call with Coach

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Twiggs.
His opinion, which I now shareaf after having experiences, is
that world majors are notnecessarily always lined up to
be the best races to go haveyour absolute fastest.
Oh, right.
It doesn't mean it doesn'thappen, but it's very difficult
to do, especially if you're notfrom a privileged position at

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the very front of the race.
You know, I started in eight, soI was kind of in the middle, you
know, towards the end of wavetwo.
Um, you know, but I went inhaving worked so hard and really
focused on my training, I feltlike I was ready to go.
I thought I was gonna go out andjust crush it.
My magic mile said one thing,and then I kind of had like a
secondary goal.

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And in the end, I you know, Iwhen I I think really when I
when I realized I wasn't goingto meet my primary goal, not
that I gave up on the secondarygoal, but it became less
important to me because theother side of the coin was I
also realized, hey, you'rerunning a world marathon major,
you need to experience this too.
And so I kind of leaned intothat pretty quickly.

(01:35:36):
Like, you know, I just when Iwas like, look, if I'm not gonna
go out there and blow this outof the water, I'm gonna make
sure that I enjoy what I'mdoing.
And the crowd did notdisappoint.
I mean, I don't know if anybodywould disagree with that, but I
don't know how you could becauseholy smokes, the crowd, the the
the whole thing, there was not adead zone on the course.

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It's like I've told a couplepeople today and yesterday as
well that at worst, it was kindof like if you were in a smaller
race and there was just sort oflike people every so often along
the street.
There was never anywhere wherethere was nobody, never anywhere
where there was nobody.
And most of the course, theatmosphere was just electric.
I could not believe it.

(01:36:19):
And you know, I mean, all thedifferent neighborhoods having
lived in the Chicago area nowfor gosh almost 15 years, like
it just I have a newappreciation for the city and
the people that live here andthe support that they showed for
all these runners being outthere.

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And you know, some of the youknow, some of the different
areas with some of the differentneighborhoods, I was a little
concerned based on certainthings going on, like whether it
would be as good as it was, butit was outstanding.
And that's my biggest takeawayfrom the whole thing.
It's just you know what, I wentout there, I got a star, I
completed a world marathonmajor, and oh my god, do I love

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this city and the people thatare in it?
And it's it was just aremarkable experience that I'll
never forget.

SPEAKER_16 (01:37:09):
What's fun here, Dan, is that because I can see
everybody, we all can see oneanother, is that you're saying
as you're saying uh howwonderful the crowd support was,
I'm watching nine heads just bobup and down.
Yeah, so that was great.

SPEAKER_18 (01:37:21):
I just I would echo what Dan said, and and we had
very similar experience,slightly different times, but
differ uh a different similarexperience in that I realized
about I had a great first half,second half didn't go as well as
I wanted, or I was training formaybe for the same reasons Dan
was just talking about.
But there came a point at justabout mile 19 or mile 20.

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It's the the Pilson neighborhoodof Chicago.
And I'd lived in Chicago for ayear, many years ago.
I didn't really know theneighborhood, but it's a
neighborhood with a lot of umMexican immigrants, and it was I
got unbelievably emotional, youknow, um running through there
because it was the most vibrantuh you know group of people

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cheering on um all kinds of uhpeople trying to hand out, you
know, not not aid stations thatwere approved, but just people
who brought, you know, uh gummyclusters and and uh you know
their own water or alcoholicdrinks or whatever it was that
were um you know uh just beinggenerous and playing bands

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playing and music, and it wassuch a celebration.
And after a week of listening tosome of the stuff that that Dan
was talking about and peoplebeing afraid, it was such a
delight to be a part of, youknow, uh that neighborhood being
able to celebrate and have somefun and and release and let
loose.
And it just made the whole thingworth it to me.

(01:38:50):
I I I got such a boost at thatuh mile 20.
It was really, really a hell ofan ex a heck of an experience.
Awesome, awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (01:38:58):
So this was a redemption marathon for me.
Uh it was my sixth marathon, butI've only really run one just
for myself before that.
And that was my first marathonwhere I was in Baltimore in 21.
I kind of trained myself.
I didn't have a coach, you know.
I mean, I I went with a plan andeverything, but um I had bad
knees and I I didn't really dostrength training like I did for
this marathon.

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I did everything right for thismarathon.
The last one, I think I couldhave done a sub-five, but I did
a 533.
My left knee went out on me atmile 16 on a downhill in
Baltimore, a lot of big hills,and I had to power walk the last
10 miles.
So it was rough.
And so I've been waiting for achance to run for me, and that
was this race.
And I did everything right thistime with Coach Twiggs, and

(01:39:41):
maybe I didn't totally followit.
I only went up to 20 miles, butI know my body and I knew that I
couldn't do more than thatbecause I I my knees and stuff,
and it all worked out.
I um I PR'd by 36 minutes.
I did a 457.
My goal was to go under fivehours.
I ended up running the wholetime.
I just felt great, like an11-minute mile.

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I was just pretty steady all theway through, all 26 miles.
I walked, my watch said likefive minutes like through some
water stops.
Um my my calf seized up a littleor my um quad seized up a little
bit around mile 21, and I was alittle nervous, but uh the
biofreeze stations were awesome.
They had like a spray spot wherethey just sprayed you down and
like taking advantage of that,like got me through and and um

(01:40:25):
um salt stick shoes.
Oh my god, they were the best.
So I did everything I wanted todo and I felt great.
I was taking stairs like achamp.
I I did eight miles walkingaround the city yesterday.
So everything just lined up forme, the strength training,
especially, but the electriccrowds were were really what did
it.
I mean, I I knew a lot of peoplethere um that were cheering, but

(01:40:47):
I hugged the right side becauseI thought I was gonna do walk
breaks and I didn't get to see alot of my friends, but you would
have thought everybody was myfriend.
I took people's advice and Iwore a shirt with my name on it,
and everybody was cheering.
Oh, Tracy, you got this, likethe whole way.
So it felt like everybody wasout there for me.
It was the most amazing thingI've ever experienced, and I
would recommend it to anybody.
I'd heard all this and that'swhy I wanted to do it, and

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nothing disappointed.
And the weather was perfect.

SPEAKER_19 (01:41:10):
Um, this was an awesome race for me personally.
Um, I this was my seventhmarathon, as I said in the
beginning.
I've done four Disney marathons,all part of Dopey.
So you guys know how that goes.
You don't try to PR yourmarathons in the middle of
Dopey.
That just is not a thing.
And I've rode Everest twice.
So, you know, we're we're justthere for vibes and having fun.

(01:41:33):
I've done two standalonemarathons.
My first was Marine Corps in2023, and it was 80 degrees.
It was really warm.
They cut the course early, thegauntlets all shut 30 minutes
early.
Um, I made it througheverything, but it was very
warm.
So I finished in just under sixhours.
And then last year I didRehobith and it was six degrees.

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I was not very excited aboutthat one and also struggled a
lot just because it was asmaller course and it was also
mostly an outback on like atrail type surface.
And me and trails are just notfriends.
So that's okay.
I'll I leave it to the ultrarunners.
I'll stay on my road.
That's totally cool.
Um, so after that, I knew that Ireally, really, really wanted to

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do Chicago.
So I was able to I put in forthe lottery.
I did not get accepted through alottery, but I went in anyways
and um went in with girls on therun.
Um, and I started my runningjourney with girls on the run
when I was 10 years old.
And every single chance I get, Itry to give back to them because
I don't think I would be where Iam today without girls on the

(01:42:39):
run.
Um, so it was it was incredible.
Um, I had a rough start to mytraining block.
I got injured in May and I wasjust having like some glute and
hip stuff, and it just would notgo away.
After six weeks, I finally wentand saw a sports medicine um
doctor, and they gave me some PTfor two weeks, and all of a

(01:42:59):
sudden I was cured.
I should have done that.
Right.

SPEAKER_12 (01:43:01):
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_19 (01:43:02):
Um, and learned all the things.
You know, I'm also a coach and arunning coach, and I just really
thought I knew, and I was like,you know what?
I'm gonna seek out theprofessionals for this one.
So um I was really glad Ilistened to my brain to finally
go in and get it.
So I officially started trainingum around the middle of July,
really.
Um and of course, as most of youknow, when we've done marathons

(01:43:25):
before, we know how it feels.
The harder miles are gonna beharder as you keep going the
longer miles.
Um, but every single trainingrun from mid-July went amazingly
for me.
I did tiny little circles aroundmy neighborhood and on Strava.
I found out you can go 15 milesin my neighborhood on the
sidewalks without repeating asingle one.

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Um, so that was fantastic.
And then getting to the race, umwe did a whole cross-country
trip to get there.
I have some family in Iowa andwe visited some friends in
Arkansas.
So it was a two-week-longadventure to finally get us to
Chicago.
And race day happened.
I was in wave three, um, CorralL.
So um I, yeah, L was the best.

(01:44:07):
There's people holding up signsor their hands saying, L this
way.
I had no idea what I was walkinginto.
And knowing Dun Disney, I justgo into my corral.
And that's kind of what happenedhere.
L was already had its own corrallike ready to go.
And then they I watched like atime-lapse video of them pulling
in all the corrals from all thedifferent spaces.
And it was really cool.

(01:44:28):
Like you said, I think they'vedone this a couple of times.
Um, but starting off the race,it felt really strong.
Um, and then a quarter mile in,my shoe came untied.
So I pulled over and um retiedmy shoe.
I was like, okay, if this is theonly bad thing that happens
today, then I'm totally okaywith um how that goes.
And like I said, my trainingwent really well.
It felt really strong.

(01:44:49):
So coming into this race, I hadhigh expectations for myself.
I really wanted to get a subfive.
I knew I could do it.
I just, you know, I just felt inthe back of my head, that's what
I wanted, my goal for a longtime.
Um, and I started off and athalfway I was at a 220 half
marathon.
And I was like, okay, yeah,we're we're doing this today.

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Like if I, even if I slow down,I did like the mental math in my
head.
I'm like, even if I slow downthis amount, this, I'm still
going to do this today.
And as the course went on, itgot hot.
But yes, the crowd was insane.
Um, I almost got overstimulateda little bit on the course, just
because it was just so much.
I like, I at one point I waslike mile like 17 or 18, and

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there was like one minute oflike everyone was silent.
And I was like, I need thisminute to myself right now, just
to like get myself back togetherto go complete it.
Um and yeah, it was great.
My husband and my four-year-oldwere out there on the course
cheering.
They got to see me quite a fewtimes.
They were a little upset I wasrunning so fast because they had

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a hard time reaching me at someof the points because the
transit was so crazy, filledwith a million people,
apparently, according to theChicago News.
Um, and my little brother livesum about an hour outside the
city.
So he came in with hisgirlfriend.
And my dad and my stepmom drovein from Iowa to come see me.
And that was the first time themseen me run a race like this.

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And so it was really special forme.
Um, and I came through thefinish line at just under five
hours, and it was a 60-minute PRfrom my previous record.
So I was really, really happyabout that.
So it for me, it was it was thebest day ever.
And I'm still like in disbeliefthat it actually happened.

SPEAKER_18 (01:46:35):
My son, who uh my wife told me um uh as they were
waiting for me uh at the at thefinish, I wish I wish my dad
were Connor Mance, so we'd onlyhave to wait for two hours
instead of five.

SPEAKER_15 (01:46:47):
That's pretty good.
Uh let's see, Mike, tell usabout your race.

SPEAKER_01 (01:46:52):
Okay.
Well, as I said earlier, I I diduh Chicago last year and um it
didn't end up how I wanted.
Um I was still able to finish itand and everything else.
And after that, I really wantedlike a redemption thing.
So I had qualified enough to doit again this year.
Um but I later on, uh earlierthis year, I had done Boston,

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and then two weeks later I didthe uh York marathon here in
Pennsylvania.
Um but then after that I wastrying to change my mindset of
just running in general and notbe so fixated on the whole
running because it can start toconsume you.
And the the summer trainingblock, um uh I had a little bit

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less load as as far as volumeand everything else.
And I'm trying to just changethe mindset.
And the whole my whole mottothis time for this training
block was chase happiness.
Um, because I'm not a pro runnerand won't ever be, but I'm a
family man, and you know, webalance family life and work and

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everything else, you know.
Prorunners that that is theirjob, and that's what you know,
they can dedicate all that timeto it.
So my goal was to just chasehappiness this summer.
Um, I had less uh volume formileage, and my whole I I've
always wanted to do a sub three,and um the weather was perfect

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um Sunday.
I mean it it was just so ideal.
Um started in Corral B, whichwas crazy, you know, to be up
there with you know everybodyelse.
It just I felt privileged.
Um and uh everything was goingsmooth until about mile 21.
And you know, then that's whenyour whole mind, you know,

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starts to uh become dark and itstarts messing with you, and you
really have to dig deep and youhave to take off that restrictor
plate, and you really have toshow what you're made of and and
dig really hard.
And I was able to do that, anduh I finished it in 258, uh 57.

SPEAKER_16 (01:49:09):
Wow.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:10):
Um, so uh that's awesome, buddy.
That's awesome.
That's awesome.
But I think it was like changingthe whole mindset of things, not
thinking about that sub three,and just like even not having
that higher mileage, it canstill work.
You don't have to have such ahigh mileage, but if you chase

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happiness, you'll get there,whatever you're striving for.

SPEAKER_16 (01:49:35):
I like that, Mike.
I like that a lot, andcongratulations on that sub
three.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_09 (01:49:39):
So I ran for Ronald McDonald House.
Um, and because I didn't get inon lottery, and I immediately
signed up for Ronald McDonaldHouse.
As you know, that that's theirhome is Chicago, and their team
has grown to 1,200 members.
Our group picture was huge.
They raised three milliondollars.
We raised three million dollars.
That that equated to 30,000nights for families at the

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Ronald McDonald House.
I highly, highly, highlyrecommend if you don't get into
Chicago and I won't do Chicagoagain, um but to run for them.
Their tent was second to none.
I didn't have to worry aboutbreakfast.
I didn't have to worry about myhusband eating lunch because I
had I had raised enough for himto get in the tent and have a

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huge bed of burgers and andpulled pork and oh my god.
I mean, it was just and therewas a DJ from the Blackhawks and
all the things.
I mean, and then come to findout my sorority sister hooked me
up with another sorority sisterthat works for 80 pie, and the
Ronald McDonald House, you know,did this whole deal.
So she sees me walk in, she'sgot her blue balloons, and oh my

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gosh, she totally took care ofus, and like seven or nine,
seven or eight of us othersisters that I had never met
before.
I guess they always have a smallteam of 80 pie sisters that run
because that's our philanthropy,is Ronald McDonald House.
I've been supporting them for 30years.
Anyway, so she took care of ourbag and and our private gear
check and all of that.
It was the if if if that's theone takeaway, because when I get

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here to my race, that's probablythat was probably the best part
of my day.
Was meeting news.
Um and and my race, I had likeeveryone, you know, I had my
training was was great.
I mean, I did what the coachtold me to do.
I don't think I missed aworkout.
Um and but and the weather wasperfect, things we can't

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control.
But it just wasn't in the cardsfor me.
Um I I went out probably toofast, and and when the holler
hypes came in, um one was like,Don't be don't be huffing and
puffing.
And I'm like, I did aself-check, I'm like, I was kind
of huffing and puffing, maybe Ido need to slow down.
Um and and then by mile nine, mycra I was like, Why are my toes?

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Why can't I feel my toes?
And so I was having severecramping and spasms in my leg to
my toes.
Um, and I had I did have acouple people meet me, you know,
see me on the course, and onewas another shorty sister um
that lives in Chicago.
So um, so that helped get myenergy going.

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Um, but it was the guy onWhacker with the hyperbolt
machine massage gun that helpedme get my calves back going.
With handing out pickle juice.
And oh my god, he must haveworked on both legs for about a
minute each.
He was good with that gun.

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And as I'm standing there,another person from home runs up
to me and sees me, and then werun for a little bit.
So I had some some some light inmy day of you know, struggle.
Um, even texted coach and heholler hide me.
Um some so some some tips, butit just I had I was trying to

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walk fast and the ending is likelike um Katie said, you know,
I've never seen, I've never feltso much pressure to to like keep
going because they were closingthe course on us.
And and I was telling this towhen I was finished that the
Chicago even yes, it's a worldmajor, it's not what it was when

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I ran it 20 years ago, that theywere not kind and respectful to
us in end to get finishedbecause when I crossed the
finish line, they were literallywouldn't let us walk down
Columbus.
I had to get back to my tentbecause that's where my gear
was, that's where my car keywas, and they wouldn't let me
through, and they wouldn't letany of us from John McDonald

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House through.
And one lady from the from therace said, Well, you're late,
and I lost it on her.
So the end of my race is thatthat's my last memory, is that
this lady was late, and I woundup paying my husband was pissed

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because we wound up getting ahundred dollar peddy cab to get
back up with Michigan Avenue tothe tent to get then I had to
fight to get back into GrantPark to get my stuff from the
tent where people were stillhanging out.

SPEAKER_16 (01:54:17):
Oh wow.

SPEAKER_09 (01:54:18):
So it's the end of my race um was not pretty.

SPEAKER_16 (01:54:23):
I'm sorry about that.

SPEAKER_09 (01:54:24):
And but you know, like you guys all said this
morning, you know, it I I didall the miles, I did all the
training, and um it just didn'tI mean I love I love Chicago.
I I and it the weather came camefor us, and yes, even the back
we still saw people passing outstuff even late in the day.

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Um and that was great.
And and I even thanked thosethat they were picking up the
the timing mats, leaving thelittle one for us.
And I everyone, I every timethey I you know, we cross over
that little section, I justthanked them like thank you for
leaving the timing mats out.
I mean, I get you need to cleanup the roads, but it just I I

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just felt so defeated um andthat they just did not give any
respect to us and end.

SPEAKER_16 (01:55:12):
No, I I understand, Jennifer, and I'm sorry that it
I'm sorry you had adisappointing finish, but again,
you should be proud of what youdid, and I know you are, so
congratulations for that.

SPEAKER_09 (01:55:23):
And and and I and cats off to Ronald McDonald
House.
I mean, if you ever don't get inChicago, try that route.
They are they're competitive toeven get into them.
Um they're they've grown, buttheir tent is uh second to none.

SPEAKER_16 (01:55:38):
Okay, outstanding.
Yeah, outstanding.
Well, that's good.
There you go.
We'll leave on an up note there.
Ronald McDonald House, second tonone.
Well, look, friends, uhwonderful event.
Chicago, you had great weather.
Uh, and I'm we're all proud ofyou.
So, congratulations on knockingout your world major and
dropping by to tell us about it.

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And we look forward to seeingyou all soon.

SPEAKER_19 (01:56:01):
Thanks, Bob.
Bye, Bob.

SPEAKER_16 (01:56:03):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_19 (01:56:04):
Thank you, Bob.
I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_16 (01:56:06):
All right, thanks everybody for participating.
Uh, before we leave the ChicagoMarathon, I want to recognize uh
folks who did the 5K.
Indra did it, it was extraspecial because it was her first
race back after having a baby inMay.
She lives right near the finishline.
So on Marathon Day at 6:30 inthe evening, they went out for a

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walk with the baby.
Saw a few marathoners still outthere finishing, and she thought
that was pretty exciting,motivating, happy to see it.
Uh, Margaret and John werethere.
Margaret continues to dominatein the costume category, even on
the 5K.
Uh, Tiffany ran this onecomfortably.
Uh, she ran a comfortable hardpace, finished in under 25

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minutes, second fastest 5K inthe year.
That's pretty cool.
Uh, we heard from Tracy,Jonathan was at the 5K also.

SPEAKER_17 (01:56:59):
You know, I know he might not be in marathon shape,
but does anybody know if PopeLeo was there?
Because isn't he from Chicago?

SPEAKER_16 (01:57:06):
He is from Chicago.
But uh, if he was, he did notput his name in the race report,
Greg.

SPEAKER_17 (01:57:12):
That's a shame.

SPEAKER_16 (01:57:13):
Yeah.
Uh let's take a look at otherswho ran the marathon.
I want to recognize them.
Ashley, we had two Ashleys.
Ashley L and Ashley R were boththere.
Second Ashley said she almostPR'd and comments, Chicago sure
knows how to party on thecourse.
Uh, Carolyn and Jen rantogether.

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Jen's fourth star.
Fought hard and they reachedtheir goal of five hours and a
24-minute PR.
Great weather, especiallycompared to Florida training
runs.
Had a great cheer squad tosupport him.
Christina did her first marathonever.
We know what that is.
That's a PR.

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DW was there.
Uh we heard from Heather whorolled through it.
Another friend Heather wasthere.
Jenna did her first world major.
Jeremy was there.
Jonathan was back for themarathon.
Julia was there.
Margaret was back.

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Mary.
Mary fell the day before.
I don't think she was runningthe 5K, but she fell.
She banged up her knee prettybad.
Still able to gut it out andfinish the marathon.
Monica.
Monica was there.
Tammy did her first non-Disneymarathon and her first world
major.
And knocked out a marathon PR.

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Tara and Carlos, first worldmajor for both.
We heard from Tracy, but we hadanother Tracy there.
Tracy doing her first non-runDisney marathon and first world
major.
Second marathon overall and a36-minute PR.
So there we go.

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That is all of our friends whoran the Chicago Marathon.
Alright, so let's go back to therest of the race report schedule
and start a week ago today, onThursday over in the UK.
Our friend Andy ran the Run theTyne Four Bridges event in
Newcastle upon Tyne, Andy'shometown.

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Interesting race.
The idea was that there's no setroute.
You just get objectives that youdon't find out about until
you've checked in about 30minutes before start time.
The rules are you've got toreach four checkpoints on the
four bridges that cross theriver Tyne.

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And he said he felt a little outof place.
I think he's talking about withthe format, not with the area,
because as I mentioned at thetop, that's his hometown.
But he's glad he challengedhimself to do something
different.
In the end, completed thisthing, took just about 3.6 miles
and Finished in just a littleless than 37 minutes.

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And he sounds like fun.
I bet you will be able to seemore about it on the roller
coaster of running on YouTube.
In Cincinnati, there was a raceweekend, and on Thursday they
did the Queen Bee Bass Shakeout5K.
Julie was there because Julie ispart of the Queen's Court.
How does that happen?

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Well, she's done every Queen Beesince it first started.
It's always a lot of fun, greatswag, cute medals.
You get the Snout Stinger medal,which we'll explain a little bit
more in just a moment.
In fact, here it is right here.
We come back on Saturday andwe'll start with that Queen Bee
half marathon in Cincinnati.

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Nikki was there, as was Julie.
Great weekend that the Pig Worksputs on.
That's the group that does theflying pig race.
And our friend Emmy is uh aworker for the Pig Works.
You've heard from her before.
Now, if you did a race duringFlying Pig Weekend, and then did

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one of these Queen Bee races, asJulie did, you earn the Snout
Stinger medal.
Not a road apple, but a snoutstinger.
Now, this race was hilly, notquite as hilly as the flying pig
marathon, uh, but the waterstops are just as much fun.

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There's so much to eat, so manytreats on the course that you
really can't eat everythingthat's offered.
And I remember commenting whilerunning the Flying Pig half that
this may be the only race that Irun where I'm going to gain
weight.
Julie wants to remind all of usthat Pigworks throws a great
race weekend, which they do.
And they'd love to see all of usthe first weekend in May at

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Flying Pig.
And I'm not sure you'll see allof us, but I'm sure you'll see
some of us.
Julie, it really is a good raceweekend.
In Shreveport, Louisiana, Laurendid the 10K at the Autumn Breeze
Road Race.
She was visiting family for theweekend.
Decided what the heck, might aswell throw in a race, need the

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training time anyway.
So her niece sent her on her waywith a good luck wish, and it
brought her another 10K PR.
For Lauren, four 10Ks, four 10KPRs.
This time she beat her previous,which had been set two weeks
ago, by over six minutes.

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We had a weekend event in AmeliaIsland in Florida.
Half Marathon weekend, but onSaturday, Trina ran a 5K with
her sister and brother.
This is a weekend event thatTrina's been looking forward to
for the last two years.
We'll hear more from her onSunday.

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Up in New England, the Boston10K for women.
Sophie and Lauren was there, aswas Heidi.
Heidi is very thankful for howthe race went.
For Heidi.
Lost her father this summer.
We're sorry to hear that, Heidi.
So running hasn't really been apriority, but somehow she

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managed to keep a good pace.
It was a struggle, but she'sglad she didn't give up.
And we're glad of that too, myfriend.
Even when life is hard, Heidisays, you can still do hard
things.
And Kirsten was at this eventalso.
On Jekyll Island in Georgia, theUnder the Oaks half marathon.

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Let's see.
Mel and Lisa and Megan werethere.
Now, there were two races onSaturday for Mel and Lisa.
We'll get to the other one in aminute.
Uh Lisa ran this one with Megan.
Lisa didn't finish this one.
Been having some anxiety issues,a bit of a panic attack, a

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little over nine miles in.
Decided to be smarter to dropout of this one.
Megan entered it at the lastminute as a catered training run
for the Marine Corps Marathon.
Now, Megan says it's a beautifulcourse.
Definitely want to add this oneto her must-do list.
That second race, this one inMiddleburg, Florida, was the

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Halloween Havoc at DunnCemetery.
And again, Mel and Lisa did thisone, and they did it as kind of
the sweepers for the race.
In fact, it's a four-mile, well,3.75, four-mile event in the
woods, in the dark.
And Mel and Lisa dressed up asthe balloon ladies, carrying

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balloons, and they walked trailfor the race.
In Lancashire, Illinois, the DesPlains River Trail half run.
David did this one.
Slow but beautiful fall halfmarathon, kicking off training
for Princess 2026.
Jared was in Windermere, Floridafor the Windermere run amongst

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the lakes.
And Noelle was in Milwaukee forthe spooky sprint half marathon.
Her first race back from a footinjury in June.
It was the same trail that shehurt her foot on, but this time
she paid attention, kept onefoot in front of the other.

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She says the course wasn'tmeasured properly, and a bunch
of runners were saying that.
She came across the finish linewith about 12.6 miles on her
watch, a time of 241.
At the finish, she was surprisedby her boys being there.
They picked her medal for her.
Again, this reminds me of a racewe talked about last week where

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runners were picking medalsbased on classic horror film
characters.
For this one, Nicole's boyspicked a Counterocula medal.
Let's go to Haynesport, NewJersey for the Haynesport
Endurance Run.
Kent was there.
Kent did the 12-hour event.
Two years ago, Kent had allsorts of problems, got a spinal

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infection, set him back for mostof the year.
So his first goal on this racewas to go 50 kilometers, shoot
for a PR at that distance, butthen he decided he could go all
the way to 50 miles.
Was hoping for 5 hours 30 in thefirst 20 miles, got five
thirty-four.

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That's more than a 40-minute PRfrom his last long run.
In all, he got a 66 minute 50mile PR of 10 hours 33 minutes
and 50 seconds.
That's good for 12 of 69 on the12-hour course and second of the

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12 on Sunday.
Our friend Michael from the WillRun for podcast was also at the
Haynesport event.

SPEAKER_17 (02:07:01):
And I believe he knocked out 100 miles.
Oh wow.
I believe.
I want to say he he shared heshared this beautiful video from
when he did this race last yearof Aaron bringing him in.
Uh because this was I guess thisrace last year was his first 100

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miler.
And uh so I think that was theimpetus, is that you know he
wanted to go out and and do itagain.
And yeah, I think he got 100miles and I think an average
pace of 15 minutes a mile.
So bravo.

SPEAKER_16 (02:07:35):
Yeah, yeah.
That's that's outstanding.
Michael, great job, buddy.
Up in Ashland, Wisconsin, Amyand Shauna did the half marathon
at the whistle stop half.
Caitlin was at the PottawatomieState Park in Door County,

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Wisconsin for the Run Wild 10K.
A beautiful day.
The finish line just a few stepsfrom the shoreline of Sturgeon
Bay, so the views werespectacular.
They had one big hill, but itwas the perfect opportunity to
walk and take in some fuel.
This is Caitlin's first 10Koutside of a Run Disney

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Challenge, but she still got aphoto with a bear and a PR.
Oh, the bear, by the way, thatyou had a photo with?
Uh Smoky Bear.
In Cumberland, Ontario.
Tara and her husband Phil didthe fall colors run.
This is Phil's first 10K.

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With the Hills and an extra longsurprise loop at the end, Phil
finished strong, although hecommented that it's more mental
than physical to finish thatlast mile.
Well, there you go, Phil.
You learned something.
That is that's the case.
That's the case on almost everyrun, my friend.
Uh Tara's real proud of Phil'saccomplishment.
Tara ran, but she didn't tell ushow she did.

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She just told us how Phil did,and that's cool.
So Phil's first 10K, that's aPR.
In Auburn Dale, Florida, abouthalfway between where I'm
sitting now and Disney World.
The Badge of Hope Haunted 5K atCamp Margaritaville.

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Morningstar and Sarah bothenjoyed this smaller race vibe,
the sunset start time, thecoarse decorations, and the
zombies.
Of course there were zombies,right?
It's a haunted 5K run.
Metals and real bathrooms, notjust porta potties.

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Michelle was in Taylor, Texasfor the Taylor Good Life Run 5K.
She PR'd this event.
Coming in in under 45 minutes.
She says she'd like to thankJeff Galloway for giving her a
doable and enjoyable runningmethod.

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Taylor, I hope you're going tobe at wine and I'm sorry,
Michelle.
Taylor is where she ran.
Michelle, I hope you're going tobe at wine and nine so you can
thank Jeff himself.
It means a lot to him, it reallydoes.
Let's wrap up Saturday in RockHill, South Carolina, where
Missy did the Rocktoberfest halfmarathon.

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She got to meet up with somefantastic ladies from a local
Run Disney group to run with.
Once again, she had to show upwith her sparkles.
That's great.
She may not run fast, but shesparkles the whole time why
she's out there.
Good job, Missy.
Moving to Sunday, heading toCanada, where Lori ran the

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Valley Harvest Marathon inWolfville, Nova Scotia.
This was a two-loop marathoncourse.
It was hard, it was hilly, butthe weather was great.
And she managed a nine-minute PRand finished under four and a
half hours.
Nicely done.

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Very nicely done.
Good enough for second place inher age group.
Lori is in search of a Bostonqualifying time.
She's only nine minutes and 47seconds away from it at this
point.
She feels confident.
We feel confident for you, Lori.
Good luck with that.
And congrats on your run.
In Washington, D.C., Kate andDivya were at the Army 10 Miler.

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The predictive reign for thisone held off.
Divya says she was a coupleminutes slower than last year,
but still had a great time.
Wants to thank everyone for allthe holler hypes, and that was a
theme of a lot of the racereports.
The hypes are reallyappreciated, friends.
Divya also always appreciatesthe Army service members giving

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up their time to help make thisan amazing event.
And the post-race swag ain't tooshabby either.
On Staten Island in New York,the New York Roadrunner Staten
Island Half, Brennan was there.
Brandy was in Sugarland, Texasfor the Sugarland Half.
So, alright.

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Mile nine, Brandy makes adecision.
She's joining the Yak and YetiClub and puking her guts up.
Took me a while to get the Yakand Yeti joke, Brandy, but I got
it.
I'm slow.
It takes a while.
Stopped her watch, sat down fora couple minutes, and had a long

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talk with herself about what's alegit reason for DNFing.
Decided that vomiting wasn't oneof them.
An injury, yep.
Losing your lunch, nope.
She was able to rehydrate, keptgoing much slower.
Gave a repeat performance atmile 12.
But come on, who's going to stopat mile 12?

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You gotta be crazy, right?
So she charges on, finishes thisone, this catered training run
for Dope.
Way to hang in there, Brandy.
We're proud of you.
In Falmouth, Massachusetts,Ashley ran the Cape Cod Marathon
Relay.
Fall arrived in New England,brought some rain and wind, but

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nothing could bring down thespirit on this relay team.
They finished this marathonrelay in three hours and 50
minutes, which was easily 40minutes faster than the
anticipated finishing.
Five different legs of differentdistances.
Navigating the course was alittle bit difficult, but it was

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a great day, a great race, and areally neat looking medal.
And it was, you get a chance tosee a photo of it, it's a nice
marathon medal.
In Ohio, the Youngstown PeaceRace 25K.
Megan did this one to celebrateher birthday and to run her
first ever 25K.
So that's a PR.

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Megan gave us a long racereport.
It's worth reading.
She talks about the dedicationinvolved in finishing last in a
small race like this, althoughshe still kept a pace good
enough to beat the balloonladies.
While there was no publishedcutoff time, they started
closing water stations down onher towards the end.
Not cool.

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On the positive side, though,the race crew did stay at the
finish line to help andcongratulate her at the finish.
She said a bunch of pre-racegoals met all but one of them, a
time goal she missed by only twominutes.
Megan, good job.
Good job hanging in there.
Congratulations.
Back to Amelia Island,Fernandino Beach, Florida, for

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the half marathon this time.
Nancy says it's a beautifulcourse.
Race is very well supported.
She started with the two-hour45-minute pace group and fell
back and teamed up with anotherrunner for a while.
And then almost caught back upwith that group by the end of
the race, finished in 245-51.

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That's a 12-plus minute PR.
Jen was at the event.
She paced the 330 group on thehalf.
Jenny and Cameron ran this one.
This was the second race of theweekend for Trina.
She ran with the three-hourpacers, but that was a little

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ambitious for her.
She continued the race a littleslower.
She spent a big part of heryouth in Yulee, which is in that
area.
And once she let go of theirtime goal and started looking
around, she really, really beganto enjoy the course.
Ended up finishing just a littleover three hours, so no
disappointment at all.
And Joy was at this one, halfmarathon number two for Joy.

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Life's been getting in the waylately, so she didn't train as
much as she would have liked.
We hear that quite a bit.
Her goal was 230, and thanks toChris and Lauren, the Galloway
Pacers, she was able to PR at228.
Now her hips and toes arecurrently still protesting, but

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it was worth it.
In Vancouver, British Columbia,Canada, the Royal Victoria
Marathon.
Melissa was there.
Melissa, as did many of ourrunners, wants to thank you for
all the holler hypes.
They really helped her, reallyhelped her, and you came through

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for her.
That was great.
An incredible feeling tosuddenly have that extra energy
for a few more kilometers.
Wasn't sure she'd finish, andalthough it was her slowest full
marathon, she's still very proudof this one at the finish line.
Lauren ran the marathon there,managed to hit a PR of just a

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little over four hours.
It was cold and wet, but a greatcourse.
Maybe the best she's seen in awhile, because the support on
the course itself was kind ofsparse.
It's the 45th anniversary ofthis event, so they got a jacket

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as a souvenir item.
That's really neat.
Christy was there.
Christy ran the half, had thelatest episode of the Rise and
Run podcast in her ears, whichkept her motivated and cruising
well under her goal paces.
Well, that's outstanding,Christy.

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Not a PR, but her fastest halfin 16 years, and a solid proof
of time for springtime surprise.
So congratulations, everybody inBritish Columbia.
In Mandeville, Louisiana, theNorth Shore half marathon, 10
miler and 5K.
Emily was there running the halffor her first race of the

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season, and it's a PR.
Hour 49 minutes and the half forEmily.
Great job.
A two-minute improvement overher spring PR.
Gotta love a flat course, just alittle smattering of locals out
to cheer on the runners.
Lisa was there doing the half,as was Mira.

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Mira wasn't going for a PR atall, but with attempts in the
60s after training in the summerheat, it'll do it to you.
She beat her previous half PR byseven minutes.
She's not upset about that atall.
Can't wait to see everybody atWine and Dine.

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There you go.
Summer training and all thatheat cools off.
Fall PRs.
And I'm probably going tomispronounce this one, but in
the Netherlands, Eindhoven, Ibelieve, the Eindhoffen
Marathon.
Danny did this one.
38,500 people over two days andfour distances at this race

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weekend.
This is Danny's first fulloutside of Dopey.
Course was relatively flat, hadsome overpasses.
Danny's A goal was 345, his Bgoal was under four hours.
That would have been a PR.
But at least he wanted to finishand have fun.
The course was fun with lots ofpeople watching.

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He ended up running a 13-minutePR of 354, breaking that
four-hour mark.
Way to go, Danny.
Jared did the you can finishdistance dare, a two-miler and a
five-miler at the University ofCentral Florida campus in
Orlando.
Where else would you have apumpkin spice 10K, 5K, and 1

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miler than Seattle, Washington?
Hira was there, as did Lace andher son Leon.
Lace said it's sweater weatherin Seattle.
Race began where you could enjoya warm cup of soup with real
cheese and not plastic cheese.

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Lace, I don't even know whatyou're talking about.

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That's downright blasphemy.

SPEAKER_16 (02:20:28):
I agree.
And she got a pumpkin spicebeverage at the end.
Now, Leon, Leon did get a new 5KPR and got to ring the PR bell
and gets to hear this PR bell.
Christina ran the half marathonnear the campus of the

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University of Georgia.
Weather was great this weekend.
So happy with how she ran thefirst seven miles, but around
mile eight, started to have alittle pain in the knee.
Knew the time goal wasn't goingto happen, but she persevered,
finished strong.
The last quarter mile is reallyfun because you get to run
through Sanford Stadium.

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Crowd support was great.
Hills were tough, especially inthe last three miles.
Down in Dania Beach, SouthFlorida, the Dania.5K Robbie,
our man in South Florida, didthat race.
The first sign of fall in SouthFlorida.
Temperatures are in the 70s.

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Nice flat course through theparking lot of an upscale mall.
In Cornwall, Connecticut, Rachelran the Mohawk Mountain half
marathon.
3,000 feet of elevation gain,including climbing up and down a
ski slope three times.
Sounds like fun.

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The views were great.
Weather was perfect.
Good practice run while trainingfor Dopey, including having to
be up super early to get to thestart line in time.
Now Rachel's in Connecticut.
This was town 164 of 169 forher.
And one more race, this one onMonday, which was Thanksgiving

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Day in Canada.
Phaedra did the Turkey Trot 10Kin Woodstock and set a new 10K
PR.
There we have it, folks.
Congratulations to our friendsin the race report for episode
212.
Alright, my friends.
And if you run, you know you areour friend.

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We made it.
We're here.
It's race season in Florida.
We can't say it enough.
John and I will be there withAlicia.
We're looking forward to meetingyou, whether we've met before or
we haven't.
We're excited about it.
It's the reason we go.

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It's one of the reasons.
It's the big reason I go.
It's one of the reasons we allgo.
So please come say hi.
Hopefully, we can see you at themeetup on Saturday.
As I mentioned, no Zoom thisweek.
We'll have a Zoom after we getback from Wine and Dine weekend.
But until then, my friends,happy running.

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