May 11, 2025 • 18 mins
Michelle Collins lost her husband to suicide. Then her mother.
That kind of grief doesn’t just hurt it shatters you.
But instead of staying broken, Michelle turned her pain into power—and now helps others walk out of the dark.
This episode isn’t about healing in theory.
It’s about how to survive when your life has exploded and you’re still expected to function.
Inside this episode of Rising From the Ashes, Michelle strips it down:
🔥 What grief really feels like when the world moves on and you’re still stuck in pain
🔥 The brutal truth about dating again after death (and what no one talks about)
🔥 Why “healing” doesn’t mean you’re happy all the time it means you recover faster
🔥 The divine downloads that became her books and lifelines for survivors
🔥 The words that saved her life: “You will not always feel the way you do now.”
This isn’t just a personal transformation podcast it’s a damn emotional healing activation.
If you’ve ever loved someone… and lost them…
This episode will rip you open, hand you the tools, and say:
“You’ve got this. Let’s rise.”
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🔗 Share with someone who’s quietly falling apart. It might save their life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to part two of Rise from the Ashes, an
episode that I can neverremember the name of, but I'm
here with Michelle Collins.
This is part two.
As I said In part one, we heardhow she lost her husband, she
lost her mum and had a verychallenging time.
We're at the time now of anascent for her, where she took
(00:24):
all the trials and tribulationsand, as many people do, come
rocking out the other side likea fucking phoenix, and this is
why I love michelle, because shedid just that, and one of the
things that I like to ask people, because I really want to get
(00:46):
the audience and the people whoare listening to this to know
who you are.
So, what really lights you up,michelle?
Before we go into what you do,what is the one thing that
really does light you up?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I am so incredibly fortunate because what lights me
up is what I do.
When I am working with a groupclient, a one-to-one coaching
client, when I provide a toolthat eases their suffering, when
I see that light bulb moment ofyou mean I could just be nice
(01:21):
to myself.
You mean I could just be niceto myself, I could just forgive
myself.
Or oh, this person wasn't beingmean to me because of anything
I did, it's because they're hurtand hurt.
People hurt people.
That's one of my things.
That's what lights me up,because I feel like a freaking
magical fairy or something.
(01:43):
I feel the good witch rightWith my wand or maybe the bat, I
don't know the witch.
I feel like I gifted somemagical thing to someone and
their life gets better for it,and then that ripple effect is
endless.
To be honest, it's my work, butit's my passion, it's my
purpose and that's what lightsme up but it's my passion, it's
(02:07):
my purpose and that's whatlights me up.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You said something there I like when you said the
gift.
I'm going to reverse that andgive you the you know card and
just acknowledge that you arethat gift because you make other
lives possible and other routesof healing and a deeper and
awareness, a deeper awarenessand understanding possible,
michelle.
So you are the gift and please,in times of challenge, don't
(02:33):
ever forget that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I appreciate that and there are still times of
challenge.
People think when they listento a podcast like this and they
hear my story, they hear yourstory, they think, oh, she's
joyful all the time.
You know what?
My life still sucks a lotsometimes.
There are still really deepdivots.
The difference is I know how totake care of myself, I know how
(02:59):
to observe the situation, knowwhat I need to get through it,
and the down times are muchshorter and not quite as far
down, but they still happen.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Before we go into the book and what you do, how you
help people, let's do a bit of adating show, because someone
might listen to this and say Ineed to date, I need to get hold
of you.
You, this is not a dating thing, all right, but I'm just
offering it out there.
If you were looking for aperson today, what would the
criteria be for that person?
(03:32):
You mean then take note as alife partner.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
This was a dating no, no, but we're to have an
opportunity here.
I made you a little bit of fun.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Interesting.
People ask me all the time whyI'm single.
Glenn died nine years ago and Ihave not really essentially had
a relationship since then.
I did, ironically, start todate someone for the first time
last year and then he died.
I don't want to go into it.
First time last year and thenhe died.
(04:08):
I don't want to go into it, butI'm a little bit hesitant.
But, to be honest, I don't needsomeone to.
I don't need anything Like.
I am a whole, complete person.
I would love to have a partner,though I'd love to have a more a
playmate, someone who just I'dlove to have a more a playmate,
someone who just let's giggle atthese cat videos, let's go lay
on a beach in Hawaii, let'spaddleboard on the Willamette,
(04:30):
which is the river by my home.
It's just someone to have funwith, someone to share the joy
that I've worked so hard to beable to connect with in life.
And it would have to also be agrownup, someone who's been
through their stuff and bygrownup I don't mean anything
bad.
I just mean that they'veapologized, They've taken
(04:52):
ownership of the shitty thingsthey've done in their life, and
all of us have.
I'm sorry, but you have.
And if you're listening and youthink you haven't.
You're wrong, but you takeownership of it, you forgive
yourself, you ask forforgiveness of others, like your
own 12 step program.
That's what I would want.
So if I can get a partner whichI would like I said I would
(05:12):
love to have he would also needto enjoy Broadway, musicals and
music of all types, butespecially Broadway and songbook
kind of music and just be kind.
Just be kind, oh, and he wouldhave to love my dogs, Not my cat
my cat's an asshole, but hewould have to love my dogs.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I like you Men.
I'm married, I'm out of thequestion, I'm happily here.
I've fucked that up many timesand come back, but people are
like no Men.
Please take note, get incontact with her.
Go to her website on LinkedIn.
Do not stalk her, becauseyou'll have me to deal with if
you do that.
So the book what you Do isconnected to everything.
(05:59):
It is the foundation andcornerstone of who you are, your
purpose and how you give valuein the world.
Can we talk about the book fora moment and the process of not
just writing it but releasing it, how that helps people?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
yeah, sure, thank you for that question.
So so actually I started trying.
I was actually writing booksbefore I even met Glenn, none of
which ever made it to birth.
It's kind of like a pregnancy,maybe a pregnancy that just went
away Just lots of creativeideas, but nothing that ever
(06:37):
came out into publication.
And then, after Glenn died ayear after he died, when I was
spreading his ashes in Hawaii,actually I got a message from
the universe Say how you willspirit God.
Somebody spoke to me and saidyou need to write a book about
how to survive your spouse orpartner's suicide, and this was
(07:00):
2017.
And I was so strongly rejectingthat idea I couldn't talk about
it.
I couldn't think about it andthen it.
But if you get a message fromthe universe like that, I
recommend not ignoring it,because you will never talk
(07:20):
about hounding, talk aboutstalking Spirit or my conscience
or whatever you want to call.
It is not going to let me offthe hook for that one.
So a year later, I found a bookcoach and started writing and
stopped and started and stoppedand started, and I actually was
asked by one of my yoga therapyfriends to contribute a chapter
(07:43):
to her book.
So my first book was actuallycalled Awakening the Divine
Feminine, and I have a chapterin that.
My second book you're going tolove, I have a chapter in.
It's called Phoenix Rising andit's all about people going
through difficult times.
And then my third book is youcan't make this story up another
(08:04):
chapter I contributed to abouthow life bounces you on your
head until you figure it out.
And then, finally, in 2023,january of 2023, I was able to
release a book about howmindfulness can help you survive
spouse or partner suicide, butI skipped over a part, but
(08:26):
you're going to love this.
So in August, I was done withthe book.
I was done with all therewrites.
It was time to send it off fortypesetting, editing, whatever I
don't know, the stuff that Idon't have to worry about,
because the publisher does that.
The night I handed her themanuscript which, of course, you
don't do stuff that I don'thave to worry about because the
publisher does that.
The night I handed her themanuscript which, of course, you
don't do you hit send.
I went to bed that night and Igot another message from the
(08:48):
universe.
I'm like are you kidding?
I couldn't have one night off.
Seriously, you have to write acompanion book.
And the companion book, whichcame out the same day, january
of 2023, is supporting asurvivor of spouse or partner
suicide.
Because what I learned from myexperience, from my grief
(09:10):
educator training, from coachingpeople in grief, is a lot of
times people around us don'tknow how to behave and they can
make your trauma and your griefworse by interjecting themselves
into it.
Everybody has feelings about it.
Great, if you have a friend whowent through a trauma, you do
(09:35):
not help them if you are intrauma, so you go get help and
then you come when you can bewhole and there for the person.
And that's what the second bookis, and they really are very
similar in concepts and lessons,but one is directed towards my
friends and family essentiallynot my friends and family, but
(09:57):
in that respect, friends andfamily of someone, co-workers
Because in our society, grief islike a disease.
People they're like oh, I don'twant to catch that.
People stop talking to me.
After Glenn died, you haven'tbeen returning my calls.
I'm sorry, I can't even put mypants on right now and you're
(10:17):
mad at me because I didn'treturn your calls.
So that second book is for allthe people who are supporting
someone and they don't know whatto do.
And then a lot of the feedbackI got from my books is write a
more general book.
So put all these concepts in,but don't make it just for
spouse or partner suicide loss,so that one's in the works.
(10:42):
I am not even going tospeculate on the publication
date.
I've learned better and theaudio book for my books is
coming out this year Interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I love the audio book because that'll be great for a
lot of people, because yeah alot of people don't read books.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I've got that a lot of people that said, oh, I want
to hear your book but I don'tread books.
Yeah, the audio books, I'm donerecording them and they'll be
out.
I'm also not going to say thedate because they'll be out when
they're out, hopefully,hopefully this year.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I love this conversation.
I think what you do, michelle,is so unique because you've
actually lived this.
This isn't coming from anacademic or a theoretical point
of view.
This is real-life experience.
This is real life experienceand in my own experience, from
(11:35):
spending more money than I careto imagine or even say on the
podcast on personal development,on people that don't deliver
what they said they're going todeliver and all sorts of other
crazy stuff the best people Ifind to help others with
(11:55):
specific situations are thepeople who've gone through it
themselves, who have gonethrough the fire and they've got
burnt, they've kicked.
I call it going to kiss thedevil and coming back and he's
never a good kisser, I'll assureyou.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I haven't heard that one, but I like that I can see
what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But these people like yourself, they make this
podcast worthwhile.
You make this podcast what itis.
It's not me.
I'm just the steward of goingtell me, give me the information
, because it's your message,it's your experience that's
going to help another personchange their life.
(12:30):
I can't do what you do.
Certainly I wouldn't have thebrains or even the concepts to
do that.
I stick in my lane and you dowhat you do, which is also
incredible.
What you do is I haven't got thepatience to do what you do.
Frankly, I don't.
And the way you show up withcompassion, with love, with
(12:52):
empathy, quite frankly I don't.
And the way you show up withcompassion, with love, with
empathy, with real under.
I'm going to frame it like thisreal inner standing, not
understanding, and it's a wholedifferent concept.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I like that.
If I wanted to get your bookwhich I'm going to because I'm
just greedy and I like to do allthese things where do I go?
Is it Amazon?
Is there a specific site?
Where do you want me to go,personally?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I have an author page on Amazon.
That's probably the easiestMichelle Ann Collins.
I put my middle name in thereas an author, because there is
another author named MichelleCollins, totally different genre
, but just to make me easier tofind.
And then you can also orderthem from my website if you want
me to write something in them,and that's inhabitjoycom.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
That's inhabitjoycom.
The links will be below Beforewe go and I don't want to go,
but before we have to, becauseotherwise it will just go on Is
there anything you want to leavethe audience with other than
your book and everything else?
(14:00):
What advice would you givesomebody now going through a
challenging time, through theloss of somebody in their life?
What is the one thing you wouldalways go to in this situation?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
yeah, thank you.
I'm going to say two, eventhough you asked for one.
One is you will not always feelthe way you do now.
I'm not going to say it's goingto go away or you'll get over
it or be fine, but you won'talways feel the way you do now.
Things will change and you getto guide that change by reading,
(14:27):
studying, getting a coach,getting a therapist.
You get to decide what thatchange looks like.
But it will change.
So that's number one.
Notice how I didn't say timeheals all wounds.
I think that's crap.
Number two is just and this isfor everyone you don't have to
be in grief or trauma oranything.
Just be nice to yourself.
Just once, treat yourself theway you would like your best
(14:51):
friend to treat you, because youdeserve it.
And we are so mean to ourselves.
If you ever and this issomething mindfulness taught me
if you ever take a minute tolisten to that voice in your
head, it's it can be so meanmore mean than your worst
teacher that you ever had, moremean than your terrible sibling,
(15:12):
if you have one and if you do,I'm sorry that voice in your
head.
So, like mindfulness, traininghelped me to be able to hear
that voice and go oh yeah,thanks for that.
See you later, guy, just getand just I'm enough.
Like you're wearing thissweatshirt today, you are, are
enough.
That was one of my mantras thathelped me overcome that nasty
(15:35):
self-criticism that can reallybe one of the most painful
things in your life, because younever can get away from that.
Well, with mindfulness andsweatshirts like you are enough,
you can.
So that would be my biggestthing is just quit picking on
yourself.
You're really a good, useful,valuable, amazing human being
(15:57):
and if you talk to yourself thatway, you're going to feel a lot
better thank you for sharingthat information.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And now, michelle, I want to thank you for your time,
your love, your energy and yourpassion for helping other
people.
It really, really is needed atthe moment in the world.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
And.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I think every single level will always be needed.
So thank you for doing what youdo For my listeners.
Please share the message.
You will change someone's life.
I guarantee it.
Just a simple click and a share.
It also helps the podcast helpsme grow, helps get that message
out there to somebody else whomay need it.
For myself, I'm baz porter.
(16:37):
It has been an honor and aprivilege to serve you, michelle
, and get your message out here,and I hope to have future
conversations with you thank youso much.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I really enjoy you, baz.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I appreciate what you do I appreciate you greatly for
my listeners until next time,which will be next week at some
point.
I'll see you then and have agreat day, Be blessed, be well
and remember yes, you are enough.
Talk to you soon.
Welcome back to part two of Rise from the Ashes, an
episode that I can neverremember the name of, but I'm
here with Michelle Collins.
This is part two.
As I said In part one, we heardhow she lost her husband, she
lost her mum and had a verychallenging time.
We're at the time now of anascent for her, where she took
(00:24):
all the trials and tribulationsand, as many people do, come
rocking out the other side likea fucking phoenix, and this is
why I love michelle, because shedid just that, and one of the
things that I like to ask people, because I really want to get
(00:46):
the audience and the people whoare listening to this to know
who you are.
So, what really lights you up,michelle?
Before we go into what you do,what is the one thing that
really does light you up?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I am so incredibly fortunate because what lights me
up is what I do.
When I am working with a groupclient, a one-to-one coaching
client, when I provide a toolthat eases their suffering, when
I see that light bulb moment ofyou mean I could just be nice
(01:21):
to myself.
You mean I could just be niceto myself, I could just forgive
myself.
Or oh, this person wasn't beingmean to me because of anything
I did, it's because they're hurtand hurt.
People hurt people.
That's one of my things.
That's what lights me up,because I feel like a freaking
magical fairy or something.
(01:43):
I feel the good witch rightWith my wand or maybe the bat, I
don't know the witch.
I feel like I gifted somemagical thing to someone and
their life gets better for it,and then that ripple effect is
endless.
To be honest, it's my work, butit's my passion, it's my
purpose and that's what lightsme up but it's my passion, it's
(02:07):
my purpose and that's whatlights me up.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You said something there I like when you said the
gift.
I'm going to reverse that andgive you the you know card and
just acknowledge that you arethat gift because you make other
lives possible and other routesof healing and a deeper and
awareness, a deeper awarenessand understanding possible,
michelle.
So you are the gift and please,in times of challenge, don't
(02:33):
ever forget that.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I appreciate that and there are still times of
challenge.
People think when they listento a podcast like this and they
hear my story, they hear yourstory, they think, oh, she's
joyful all the time.
You know what?
My life still sucks a lotsometimes.
There are still really deepdivots.
The difference is I know how totake care of myself, I know how
(02:59):
to observe the situation, knowwhat I need to get through it,
and the down times are muchshorter and not quite as far
down, but they still happen.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Before we go into the book and what you do, how you
help people, let's do a bit of adating show, because someone
might listen to this and say Ineed to date, I need to get hold
of you.
You, this is not a dating thing, all right, but I'm just
offering it out there.
If you were looking for aperson today, what would the
criteria be for that person?
(03:32):
You mean then take note as alife partner.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
This was a dating no, no, but we're to have an
opportunity here.
I made you a little bit of fun.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Interesting.
People ask me all the time whyI'm single.
Glenn died nine years ago and Ihave not really essentially had
a relationship since then.
I did, ironically, start todate someone for the first time
last year and then he died.
I don't want to go into it.
First time last year and thenhe died.
(04:08):
I don't want to go into it, butI'm a little bit hesitant.
But, to be honest, I don't needsomeone to.
I don't need anything Like.
I am a whole, complete person.
I would love to have a partner,though I'd love to have a more a
playmate, someone who just I'dlove to have a more a playmate,
someone who just let's giggle atthese cat videos, let's go lay
on a beach in Hawaii, let'spaddleboard on the Willamette,
(04:30):
which is the river by my home.
It's just someone to have funwith, someone to share the joy
that I've worked so hard to beable to connect with in life.
And it would have to also be agrownup, someone who's been
through their stuff and bygrownup I don't mean anything
bad.
I just mean that they'veapologized, They've taken
(04:52):
ownership of the shitty thingsthey've done in their life, and
all of us have.
I'm sorry, but you have.
And if you're listening and youthink you haven't.
You're wrong, but you takeownership of it, you forgive
yourself, you ask forforgiveness of others, like your
own 12 step program.
That's what I would want.
So if I can get a partner whichI would like I said I would
(05:12):
love to have he would also needto enjoy Broadway, musicals and
music of all types, butespecially Broadway and songbook
kind of music and just be kind.
Just be kind, oh, and he wouldhave to love my dogs, Not my cat
my cat's an asshole, but hewould have to love my dogs.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
I like you Men.
I'm married, I'm out of thequestion, I'm happily here.
I've fucked that up many timesand come back, but people are
like no Men.
Please take note, get incontact with her.
Go to her website on LinkedIn.
Do not stalk her, becauseyou'll have me to deal with if
you do that.
So the book what you Do isconnected to everything.
(05:59):
It is the foundation andcornerstone of who you are, your
purpose and how you give valuein the world.
Can we talk about the book fora moment and the process of not
just writing it but releasing it, how that helps people?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
yeah, sure, thank you for that question.
So so actually I started trying.
I was actually writing booksbefore I even met Glenn, none of
which ever made it to birth.
It's kind of like a pregnancy,maybe a pregnancy that just went
away Just lots of creativeideas, but nothing that ever
(06:37):
came out into publication.
And then, after Glenn died ayear after he died, when I was
spreading his ashes in Hawaii,actually I got a message from
the universe Say how you willspirit God.
Somebody spoke to me and saidyou need to write a book about
how to survive your spouse orpartner's suicide, and this was
(07:00):
2017.
And I was so strongly rejectingthat idea I couldn't talk about
it.
I couldn't think about it andthen it.
But if you get a message fromthe universe like that, I
recommend not ignoring it,because you will never talk
(07:20):
about hounding, talk aboutstalking Spirit or my conscience
or whatever you want to call.
It is not going to let me offthe hook for that one.
So a year later, I found a bookcoach and started writing and
stopped and started and stoppedand started, and I actually was
asked by one of my yoga therapyfriends to contribute a chapter
(07:43):
to her book.
So my first book was actuallycalled Awakening the Divine
Feminine, and I have a chapterin that.
My second book you're going tolove, I have a chapter in.
It's called Phoenix Rising andit's all about people going
through difficult times.
And then my third book is youcan't make this story up another
(08:04):
chapter I contributed to abouthow life bounces you on your
head until you figure it out.
And then, finally, in 2023,january of 2023, I was able to
release a book about howmindfulness can help you survive
spouse or partner suicide, butI skipped over a part, but
(08:26):
you're going to love this.
So in August, I was done withthe book.
I was done with all therewrites.
It was time to send it off fortypesetting, editing, whatever I
don't know, the stuff that Idon't have to worry about,
because the publisher does that.
The night I handed her themanuscript which, of course, you
don't do stuff that I don'thave to worry about because the
publisher does that.
The night I handed her themanuscript which, of course, you
don't do you hit send.
I went to bed that night and Igot another message from the
(08:48):
universe.
I'm like are you kidding?
I couldn't have one night off.
Seriously, you have to write acompanion book.
And the companion book, whichcame out the same day, january
of 2023, is supporting asurvivor of spouse or partner
suicide.
Because what I learned from myexperience, from my grief
(09:10):
educator training, from coachingpeople in grief, is a lot of
times people around us don'tknow how to behave and they can
make your trauma and your griefworse by interjecting themselves
into it.
Everybody has feelings about it.
Great, if you have a friend whowent through a trauma, you do
(09:35):
not help them if you are intrauma, so you go get help and
then you come when you can bewhole and there for the person.
And that's what the second bookis, and they really are very
similar in concepts and lessons,but one is directed towards my
friends and family essentiallynot my friends and family, but
(09:57):
in that respect, friends andfamily of someone, co-workers
Because in our society, grief islike a disease.
People they're like oh, I don'twant to catch that.
People stop talking to me.
After Glenn died, you haven'tbeen returning my calls.
I'm sorry, I can't even put mypants on right now and you're
(10:17):
mad at me because I didn'treturn your calls.
So that second book is for allthe people who are supporting
someone and they don't know whatto do.
And then a lot of the feedbackI got from my books is write a
more general book.
So put all these concepts in,but don't make it just for
spouse or partner suicide loss,so that one's in the works.
(10:42):
I am not even going tospeculate on the publication
date.
I've learned better and theaudio book for my books is
coming out this year Interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I love the audio book because that'll be great for a
lot of people, because yeah alot of people don't read books.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I've got that a lot of people that said, oh, I want
to hear your book but I don'tread books.
Yeah, the audio books, I'm donerecording them and they'll be
out.
I'm also not going to say thedate because they'll be out when
they're out, hopefully,hopefully this year.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I love this conversation.
I think what you do, michelle,is so unique because you've
actually lived this.
This isn't coming from anacademic or a theoretical point
of view.
This is real-life experience.
This is real life experienceand in my own experience, from
(11:35):
spending more money than I careto imagine or even say on the
podcast on personal development,on people that don't deliver
what they said they're going todeliver and all sorts of other
crazy stuff the best people Ifind to help others with
(11:55):
specific situations are thepeople who've gone through it
themselves, who have gonethrough the fire and they've got
burnt, they've kicked.
I call it going to kiss thedevil and coming back and he's
never a good kisser, I'll assureyou.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
I haven't heard that one, but I like that I can see
what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But these people like yourself, they make this
podcast worthwhile.
You make this podcast what itis.
It's not me.
I'm just the steward of goingtell me, give me the information
, because it's your message,it's your experience that's
going to help another personchange their life.
(12:30):
I can't do what you do.
Certainly I wouldn't have thebrains or even the concepts to
do that.
I stick in my lane and you dowhat you do, which is also
incredible.
What you do is I haven't got thepatience to do what you do.
Frankly, I don't.
And the way you show up withcompassion, with love, with
(12:52):
empathy, quite frankly I don't.
And the way you show up withcompassion, with love, with
empathy, with real under.
I'm going to frame it like thisreal inner standing, not
understanding, and it's a wholedifferent concept.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I like that.
If I wanted to get your bookwhich I'm going to because I'm
just greedy and I like to do allthese things where do I go?
Is it Amazon?
Is there a specific site?
Where do you want me to go,personally?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
I have an author page on Amazon.
That's probably the easiestMichelle Ann Collins.
I put my middle name in thereas an author, because there is
another author named MichelleCollins, totally different genre
, but just to make me easier tofind.
And then you can also orderthem from my website if you want
me to write something in them,and that's inhabitjoycom.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
That's inhabitjoycom.
The links will be below Beforewe go and I don't want to go,
but before we have to, becauseotherwise it will just go on Is
there anything you want to leavethe audience with other than
your book and everything else?
(14:00):
What advice would you givesomebody now going through a
challenging time, through theloss of somebody in their life?
What is the one thing you wouldalways go to in this situation?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
yeah, thank you.
I'm going to say two, eventhough you asked for one.
One is you will not always feelthe way you do now.
I'm not going to say it's goingto go away or you'll get over
it or be fine, but you won'talways feel the way you do now.
Things will change and you getto guide that change by reading,
(14:27):
studying, getting a coach,getting a therapist.
You get to decide what thatchange looks like.
But it will change.
So that's number one.
Notice how I didn't say timeheals all wounds.
I think that's crap.
Number two is just and this isfor everyone you don't have to
be in grief or trauma oranything.
Just be nice to yourself.
Just once, treat yourself theway you would like your best
(14:51):
friend to treat you, because youdeserve it.
And we are so mean to ourselves.
If you ever and this issomething mindfulness taught me
if you ever take a minute tolisten to that voice in your
head, it's it can be so meanmore mean than your worst
teacher that you ever had, moremean than your terrible sibling,
(15:12):
if you have one and if you do,I'm sorry that voice in your
head.
So, like mindfulness, traininghelped me to be able to hear
that voice and go oh yeah,thanks for that.
See you later, guy, just getand just I'm enough.
Like you're wearing thissweatshirt today, you are, are
enough.
That was one of my mantras thathelped me overcome that nasty
(15:35):
self-criticism that can reallybe one of the most painful
things in your life, because younever can get away from that.
Well, with mindfulness andsweatshirts like you are enough,
you can.
So that would be my biggestthing is just quit picking on
yourself.
You're really a good, useful,valuable, amazing human being
(15:57):
and if you talk to yourself thatway, you're going to feel a lot
better thank you for sharingthat information.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And now, michelle, I want to thank you for your time,
your love, your energy and yourpassion for helping other
people.
It really, really is needed atthe moment in the world.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
And.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I think every single level will always be needed.
So thank you for doing what youdo For my listeners.
Please share the message.
You will change someone's life.
I guarantee it.
Just a simple click and a share.
It also helps the podcast helpsme grow, helps get that message
out there to somebody else whomay need it.
For myself, I'm baz porter.
(16:37):
It has been an honor and aprivilege to serve you, michelle
, and get your message out here,and I hope to have future
conversations with you thank youso much.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I really enjoy you, baz.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
I appreciate what you do I appreciate you greatly for
my listeners until next time,which will be next week at some
point.
I'll see you then and have agreat day, Be blessed, be well
and remember yes, you are enough.
Talk to you soon.
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