When life handed Justine Mader lemons, she didn't just make lemonade—she started a global lemonade empire. This episode is a riveting tale of resilience, as Justine, a former dentist turned virtual entrepreneur from Minnesota, shares her moving story. She opens up about battling postpartum depression, facing a terrifying medical scare during her second pregnancy, and how these experiences propelled her to redefine her life's purpose. Her narrative isn't just about survival; it's about finding meaning and the importance of service to others, all while juggling the roles of motherhood and entrepreneurship. Justine's philosophy of taking charge of what we can control and savoring the seasons of life will leave you inspired to embrace your own journey with a renewed sense of purpose.
Buckle up as we traverse the landscape of personal growth and overcoming setbacks, with Justine as our guide. She introduces us to the concept of nurturing the soul through simplicity and resilience, inspired by none other than Mother Teresa. We'll discuss how tools like the Headway app can be a lifeline for personal development in the chaos of everyday life, and the potent wisdom of tackling one task at a time. Justine's approach to collaboration and delegation as a means to 'figure-outable' solutions is a masterclass in empowerment. As our conversation winds down, Justine leaves us with an openhearted invitation to connect and a tease of the exciting opportunities 2024 holds, reinforcing her commitment to being part of our own stories of triumph and transformation.
Friends, our time together is coming to a close. Before we part ways, I sincerely thank you for joining me on this thought-provoking journey. I aim to provide perspectives and insights that spark self-reflection and positive change.
If any concepts we explored resonated with you, I kindly request that you share this episode with someone who may benefit from its message. And please, reach out anytime - I’m always eager to hear your biggest aspirations, pressing struggles, and lessons learned.
My door is open at my Denver office and digitally via my website. If you want to go deeper and transform confusion into clarity on your quest for purpose, visit ceoimpactzone.com and schedule a coaching session.
This is Baz Porter signing off with immense gratitude. Stay bold, stay faithful, and know that you always have an empathetic ear and wise mind in your corner. Until next time!
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Baz Porter (00:00):
Ladies and gentlemen , people of the world, welcome
to another episode of Rise inthe Ashes.
My next guest is a phenomenalhuman being.
Her name is Justin and she hasa huge experience and story
behind her, and I asked her tocome on today to really share
(00:20):
her knowledge, wisdom and herlove and light with you all.
So, without further ado, pleaseintroduce yourself to the world
, justin.
Justine Mader (00:29):
Oh, baz, thank you so much for having me.
Hello everybody at Rise fromthe Ashes podcast family, so
grateful to be here.
As Baz shared, my name isJustine.
You can probably hear in myvoice I'm from Minnesota.
I've got a strong accent but Itry to live up to the whole
Minnesota nice.
I love being able to impactpeople across the globe through
the ability of virtual work.
(00:50):
So I've been servingentrepreneurs for over five
years and that has led methrough many great experiences,
opportunities including DeanGraziosi, tony Robbins, sharon
Lecter and other names that youprobably know and love, and so
it's brought me into rooms.
Baz and I love being able toshare my journey of motherhood,
(01:11):
business and just real life asan incredible human or striving
to be an incredible human right.
It's a day in progress, but nowso grateful to be here.
Thank you for having me.
Baz Porter (01:21):
And thank you for sharing.
I really appreciate people likeyou who have served at some of
the highest levels in the worldbut still remain in their hearts
.
It's sometimes a rare commodityto come across.
That's just true.
Some of our little lot of ourlisteners are inspired by tales
of overcoming adversity in theirlives, but that adversity and
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that significant challenge canbe changed into growth, strength
and turnaround into anopportunity.
Is there anything in your lifethat you've allowed to be a
challenge but ultimately turnedit around and served you to do
what you do today?
Justine Mader (02:01):
I've been blessed with many adversities, a lot of
them stemming from things thatwere outside of my control, and
so that's one of the greatestlessons I think this life has
taught me is to embrace what youcan control and let go of what
is not yours, and to give youguys some examples of what that
looks like.
I gave birth to my first son in2019 and dislocated a tailbone.
(02:23):
For the next three months, Iwas in chronic pain, had
terrible postpartum depressionagain, things that weren't
necessarily things I couldcontrol and I had to go back to
what brought me joy.
I had left the dentistry field,which is where my experience
and my love for serving patients, bringing people back to
smiling, was filled.
That cup of just joy was trulyfilled through that experience,
(02:46):
and so here I am with a newbornchild that only has me, hasn't
done anything wrong in the world.
Is it innocent, priceless?
And motherhood was the greatestgift I could have ever asked
for in this life.
But I was just distraught.
I was so, so down, so lost, andso I asked myself what brought
me the light in my previousyears, and it was serving at a
(03:08):
volunteer dental opportunitycalled Mission of Mercy.
I started as a student, and itwas one of those things that I
was brought on the line to takecare of people that were far
less fortunate than myself, andwe sent them on their way from
not only frown but pain to justa smile that couldn't be tamed,
and so I was like how do I getback to that level of serving
(03:29):
again?
It's not going to look the same, I'm not in the same position,
but what can I do to do that?
And that sent me on the journeyof searching, and I found
remote work.
I started as a VA and was nottoo proud to be like I need to
learn.
These aren't skills that I have.
This is what I can start with.
And the crazy thing is, in 2020,I got knocked down again due to
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not having doctors listening tome.
I had an appendicitis and theytold me it was pregnancy pain
with my second child, and Iended up going from a
appendicitis again something notin my control that burst 10
minutes before I was put on thesurgery table in the heart of
COVID in 2020.
And so I had to transfer someof my clients to someone else.
(04:10):
I said I don't know thelongevity of this.
I'm going to get you to someonethat can care for you.
So I had to again.
What can I control?
The experience and thetransition for my clients is
absolutely important.
My health and my family comefirst, and being able to realize
that wasn't a failure, thatwasn't me.
This was happening for a reason.
I didn't love it.
I was terribly painful in moreways than one, but that cycle
(04:33):
didn't stop.
I ended up having a kidThanksgiving day at 31 and 6.
General pregnancy goes between36 and 40 weeks, so we were in
NICU for 40 days.
So as a Catholic, it felt verymuch like a lent or an advent in
preparation for some of thejoys, and so it really just drew
me back to what is this lifeall about?
For me, it's legacy.
(04:53):
For me, it's family.
For me, it's about makingimpact in the lives of people
that you touch, and because ofvirtual opportunities, I've been
able to touch so many more.
But people would see me comeand go, and come and go.
They're like what keeps yougoing when we see you disappear,
and I'm like I'm notdisappearing.
I'm honoring my season, and forme this is how it looks.
(05:16):
I don't feel the necessity tohave a persona online 24 seven.
I don't need that validation.
Yes, there are benefits forbusiness strategy.
Yes, I teach a lot of thosemarketing things and you can
have automations and systems todo that.
That's great.
I could do that To me.
I actually appreciate the factthat people can tell it's me and
not a robot.
They know when I show up on,whether it's a TikTok video or
(05:38):
something else.
They see my face, they hear myemotions and, yes, some general
FAQs and different things can beautomated through AI and all
sorts of great stuff.
But people never doubt when theysee me or when they hear from
me in a message, that it's meand that's because, regardless
of what adversity that I've everfaced, I've always come back
(06:00):
stronger.
I've never changed the goal,I've changed the approach, and
so I can say very confidentlyover five years later three kids
, incredible life that Iwouldn't change a thing.
But the adversities changed meand they changed me to be the
person that I was striving for.
It never was anything you couldanticipate, but I think if
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anybody's listening and theyfeel like the world's against
them, the mountain is justgrowing ever taller.
It's not the end goal really.
It's about the person youbecome along the way, and I know
that leaders have beenpreaching that forever, but when
you have those crosses to carry, it's never more present in
your life than that.
(06:41):
So I just want to give you theencouragement and Baz has always
been about that to be like, hey, there's the next level of you
that's waiting.
You just have to show the heckup and that's who I am.
That's what I do, and if I cando it, heck, yeah, you can, and
I expect you to, especiallyafter listening to this podcast.
Oh God.
Baz Porter (06:59):
One of the things I love.
You said the love.
What you said there is.
You were blessed to have thechallenge.
That isn't just a belief,that's a complete new identity
for somebody.
Most people go into oh, thishas happened to me, not for me.
So what you just said was verykey.
So it's about people's languageand how they present a subject,
(07:22):
and the key is listening.
The key is identifying wheresomebody's at, not what they say
, but the emotions and how theysay it.
It uncovers so much and themicro distinctions between I was
blessed to have, or this ishappening to me our night and
(07:44):
day.
So thank you for sharing thatand, by the way, congratulations
on your children.
They are a blessing, Thank you.
Justine Mader (07:50):
They truly are.
Baz Porter (07:51):
They are.
Justine Mader (07:52):
And a handful, but that's okay, I'm here for it
.
I'm here for it.
Baz Porter (07:55):
It's growth, that's all it is.
When we look at growth and inthat, sometimes habits form in
that growth, is there any habitsthat really you've even
stumbled across or that havebecome a ritual in your day?
Some people go to meditation,some people go to the gym
religiously, so I would say ahuge Please, yeah, absolutely.
Justine Mader (08:16):
I would say that a huge part of my habit have
just been structure, and what Imean by that when I teach women
to really be intentional withtheir life.
There's a huge trend right nowout there talking about balance.
I don't believe in it.
I believe in intentionality.
So the way that I teach and theway that I try to approve that
in my life, you're living proofof what you do, and it's the
(08:36):
proof is in the pudding, it'sjust who you are and what you
have accomplished.
But is integration, and byintegration, the priorities that
you need to honor in your life,the responsibilities that you
have in your life and the goalsthat you'd like to see yourself
achieve.
And so for me, as a wife andmother, there are some pretty
great alarm clocks that I'vecreated personally.
So the 4 am morning is not aforeign thing to me at all.
(09:00):
Children, however, it's not theideal.
I don't get to do necessarily acold plunge every day before
the kids wake up.
I don't necessarily get to havea single time by myself for an
expectation every single day.
So what I have encouragedpeople to do is set a list of
habits that you need to havethroughout your day in order to
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keep you growing and keep yougoing.
So that means, yes, physicalexercise.
If it's in the gym, great, ifit's not, no problem, no excuses
.
Stay physical for your mentaland your physical wellbeing.
I definitely am striving toimprove my faith, so meditation
for me as a Catholic is therosary, so the daily rosary, not
only as myself.
It's a lot easier to say byyourself, but I say it with my
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children and really get theminvolved because, again, the way
that we live our life issomething that we are able to
pass on to our children.
So them seeing me make goodeating habits, cooking things
from scratch and encouraging thefamily dinner, the ecosystem of
the family is really important.
So I would say those would behabits, strategically, that I
implement in the personal sideof my life.
(10:01):
But when it comes to business,I would say the real intentional
part of my life is focusing onrelationships and being able to
structure.
My business has been purely offof relationships, referrals,
conversations like this, whichI'm so grateful for, and it's
allowed me to serve and speakwith some of the greats.
So I was on the team for WorldSummits, I've had shows with
(10:24):
Steve Sims and Sharon Lecter andI couldn't be more grateful
because a lot of those humansthat I found myself able to
connect with, they realized thatthey're humans just like me,
and so when I think about thehabits, it's drinking water,
just like Baz, just like Tony,just like anybody else, and
doing the things that we knowwe're supposed to do
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consistently.
It doesn't have to be at 4 am,it doesn't have to be at a
specific time, it has to be doneconsistently.
And so I think people such asmyself, perfectionism is a real
thing.
Don't focus on perfectionism,don't focus on balance.
Instead, find a healthyrelationship with the
integration of your priorities,goals and responsibilities, and
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yours in mind may look different, because I'm a solo parent
right now with kids.
My husband works out of thehome and he's gone for weeks.
That's just our way right now,but that may make my scenario
different than Sarah's, and soon and so forth.
So the comparison game onlineis retarded.
It does not serve you.
Please shut off social.
We were just talking beforecamera too.
(11:29):
Limit social media as much aspossible so that you can focus
on truly what you want and notbe clouded and integrated by
what other people are trying topreach on you.
So that's a habit too.
Maybe I didn't realize.
Maybe that's one that we shouldencourage listeners to.
Baz Porter (11:44):
Yeah, I love that.
I was told I like his.
Consistency is the key andrepetition is the mother of all
skill.
You mentioned compared me thereto Tony.
We always like I'm not six footseven, I don't have hands.
Justine Mader (11:58):
Like Sharan, I'm all of five feet, okay?
No, he would literally rest hiselbow yeah.
Baz Porter (12:04):
I love Tony, steve Simza, I know personally Sharon.
I know personally these peopleare inspirations and leaders.
I aspire to these people.
There's always another level tospeak.
Justine Mader (12:18):
Absolutely.
Baz Porter (12:20):
When I'm looking at leaders, and this actually leads
very well into this nextquestion is there any?
Leaders that you've aspired tobe like.
I know you mentioned a couple,but has anyone really resonated
with you that kickstarted youwho you are today, from a very
core foundation?
Justine Mader (12:36):
It's a great question and I'd love to share.
I'm going to start with Teresa,and Mother Teresa for me is and
for those of you that maybehaven't heard of Mother Teresa
right.
She was one of the greatleaders in third world countries
that just really led with aspirit of love and for
sentiments, we're not thingsthat were great.
(12:58):
She said you can even do thelittle things with great love
and you can make a hugedifference with great love, even
in a small Zoom meeting and alarge world summit in a you know
personal email sequence.
For me, I don't need thevalidation of some great big
thing, because I know everythingI touch and every person I talk
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to is not only a human, butit's someone deserving of love
and understanding.
And I think this world is sofast, immediate gratification,
that we have forgotten how tolove and how to bless each other
.
And so when you ask who drivesme from the foundation of who I
am, so much of my inspirationcomes from someone that had
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nothing.
She had so little.
They basically were splittingone rice bowl between 80 orphans
.
It's not even something I cancomprehend truly, but when you
think about something as simpleas nourishing your body, I want
to get back to nourishingpeople's souls, and it starts
with even part of my lesson.
(14:00):
As a wife and mother has beenmaking sure that my cup on video
, guys, you can see I have myhand.
There's not an amount of waterthat will fill a cup that has
cracks the size of my fingers.
Right, there's not enough waterin the oceans.
But if I heal and make sure topreserve who I am and what my
goals and my mission and myvocation is in this life, then I
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have the ability to overflowinto the lives of other people,
and I think Mother Teresa didthat, so she is absolutely an
inspiration to me.
Baz Porter (14:30):
But there are other types of things that I love that
shows and exudes yourauthenticity within this, and
this is why this podcast existsbecause of people like you.
In this fast paced world andthe learning is never ending Is
there anything that stood outfor you where you can recommend
(14:52):
a go to book, a podcast, aplatform that you've really
absorbed information that'sgrown your not just education,
but your personal growth as well?
Justine Mader (15:04):
That's a great question.
I think so much of what I havecome to appreciate is, honestly,
probably cliff notes as a wifeand mom.
I'll be honest, I'm lucky if Iget 10 minutes a day to read
something, to grow beyond whatI'm doing.
So I'll be looking up blogs,I'll be looking up different
marketing and things to improvemy offer and the way that I
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serve my clients Absolutely.
But in addition to that, I wantto read the extensive libraries
of books, and so one of Ibelieve it's called Headway is
actually the app that I utilizeProbably should have an
affiliate link.
Didn't get that.
So you can see I'm not totallydriven for money guys.
I don't have it all together,but is a great way for me to do
10, 15 minutes a day and I willget through.
(15:49):
I think one of the ones I justread recently was the power of
one, or the power of now, andit's just one of those things
where, for me, I am living mymotherhood life in a fast pace
too.
My children are growing, I amgrowing.
So what do I do to keep goingin that right direction?
Because, right, if you don't dosomething and you're stagnant,
you're actually not stagnant,you're going backwards.
So we're not about that.
(16:10):
So, in order to stay up to datewith some of that self
development that I've investedso many years into already, that
is one of the ways that Iallocate my time and intention
to, and I would say, the biggestkey not platform, not anything
else is to not multitask,monotask and monotask.
Well, and one of the seasonsthat I'm stepping into is really
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delegating and allowing otherpeople into my space.
For those that don't know, I'vebeen in and out of the game,
burned several times, had someunfortunate scenarios.
I definitely don't wish them onany of you, but I want to
relate to you in case you'relike oh, this isn't for me.
All I'd ever do is get screwedover.
Everybody's just trying to useme.
There is unfortunate evil inthis world and I'm so sorry that
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has been your experience.
But when it comes to how youcan heal through that fail
faster, move through it andsomething as simple as headway
to keep your brain and yourmindset in the right place has
definitely been something thatI've implemented in 2023.
And I think I truly believe ithas made a difference for me.
(17:19):
But then, when we come to likeplatforms and things like that,
I'm still searching and I'm onthe maybe trajectory to create
my own mastermind of the rightpeople, and so I guess I think
if it's not a platform, it's notwho, it's not what it's who.
So I would come to some of mySEO experts and all that kind of
(17:40):
stuff.
That's not my top notch.
I know enough to be dangerous.
I know who the top dogs are, soI go to them.
So, for me, if someone were tobe like oh, what's your favorite
platform?
What's your this or that?
It depends.
What's your goal?
What are you striving?
What's your motivation platform?
Are you a coaching platform?
Are you a product platform?
And you need to go more down.
E-commerce, right, I don'tthink it's a matter of what,
(18:01):
because all the tools work.
Somehow.
Tech genius people make thathappen.
I'm not one of those and that'sokay.
I'm totally okay to say that.
However, I will bring up theleaders next to me and be like
talk to them, let's get thosepeople in the room.
So I think, instead of focusingon knowing all the things, don't
know all the things.
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Know your task, know yourself,know your offer, know the value
you bring to the table and focuson keeping yourself in the
right headspace throughsomething like a tool like
headway or a good podcast likethis.
You guys, it doesn't have to becomplicated.
Maybe it's once a week whenagain, that goes back to your
question on habits it doesn'thave to be huge, it has to be
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consistent.
Maybe it's something that youcatch yourself slipping on the
mindset I need to turn on apodcast.
Okay, great, I'm sorry, todaywas a rough day, didn't make the
progress that I was looking for.
Okay, let's put on a good book.
Let's talk about how to getunstuck.
Whatever the case is right.
Okay, I think, as many of youhave probably heard Marie
Forleo's just even her booktitle everything is figure
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outable.
So if it's not a matter of what, in my experience it's been a
matter of who, and that allowsfor incredible collaboration
over competition and a realtransformation of the people
that you work with.
Baz Porter (19:18):
Yeah, all of that definition and the distinction.
If you'll listen to this nowand you're thinking, oh my God,
what the hell is this?
Go back to the very beginning.
Justine Mader (19:26):
Yeah, we're having too much fun Failure.
Baz Porter (19:29):
I don't want to go really in depth with this
because this is a verycomprehensive question.
Failure has really played apart in everybody's life.
Can you give some advice on theperceived overcoming of failure
and how one major incidentturned into not just an
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opportunity for you, but itchanged your entire life.
It encompassed where you werepivoted your business, your life
mindset, your lifestyle,everything.
Justine Mader (20:00):
That is such a great question.
So two things.
I came from a strict upbringing, grateful for my parents,
grateful for my family, but noone is perfect, and in my season
of college and education, I waspretty much told, if I didn't
have a 4.0 or else and so it wasone of those things that the
level of perfection that I puton myself was not healthy.
(20:21):
However, it was something thattaught me the discipline of
working hard.
I not only had a 4.0 straightthrough college, but I also got
to sing the national anthem atthe graduation ceremony, which,
side note, I love to sing, andthe national anthem is the
world's best song.
And so, again, shout out toveterans I would sing it for any
and all of you if ever I could.
But when it comes to what thatlesson taught me, it was the
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thought of failure if, if Ididn't do my best.
So instead, some of thesecollaborations came my way
through good intending peoplethat went south.
When I looked at the overallpicture, it was a stark, obvious
failure.
However, I was able to sleepwell at night, knowing I did my
best.
I didn't screw anybody over, Imade recommendations to people
(21:08):
that were scammed, and actuallyone this would be one.
So one of these guys purchasedfrom one of my business partners
in a digital marketing companyand, unbeknownst to me, he never
was delivered the product.
We had a split.
I was under the impression thathe was taken care of and I
actually only had thisconversation three months ago
(21:30):
and this was over two and a halfyears ago that this happened
and I was catching up with himand somehow it came out that he
never actually got that productthat we committed to him and I
was like why wouldn't you havetold me that?
Now I felt like a true failure,he said because you didn't fail
.
It wasn't you.
And so the whole picture showedme a failure.
(21:52):
But behind the scenes, wasthere anything I could have
changed?
Nope.
Did I show up to ever andcommit to everything that I was
responsible for?
Yes, did it still go south?
1000%, and it sucked.
When it comes to somebody goingthrough that phase in life, as I
would say, do some real, honestsoul searching.
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Did you show up?
Did you give it what youcommitted to?
Did you follow through withwhat you said you were going to
do?
And if you didn't, that's thelesson.
But if you did, the lesson isthat things can still go a
different direction that youanticipate, but there's always a
reason, and so one of thereasons that I believe happened
(22:34):
was I got to know one of my sohe's my CTO at my business now.
I wouldn't have got to know himif I didn't have the failed
collaboration, because he was apart of that and we realized
that we were both showing up andanother partner was not.
So that relationship onlyhappened through hardship and
it's been one of the biggestblessings because, again, guys,
(22:55):
full transparency tech is not mything, so it's one of those
things for me that when you lookat the clouds, the storm is
rolling in.
There's always a silver lining,there's always a reason, and
what is life without a couple ofthunderstorms?
I love a good boom, I love agood clap, but that's what makes
the flowers grow.
So it's just.
Again, I think that comes backto mindset, it comes back to
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perspective, and you can eitheruse it to serve you or really
sell yourself to somethinglesser than you were called to
be and you were born to be.
And it's not easy.
I'd love to just tell you, guys, it was easy, but I'd be lying
to you.
What's easy is when you committo it and you're like, hey, this
is who I am, this is what I'mdoing, and gosh darn it, if it
(23:37):
doesn't happen, we're gonna haveproblems, that's, it's easy
when you've reached that pointand I'm great at these
challenges and these experienceshave brought me to that place
where, yes, I've been able toshow up because this is who I am
.
That part of me is never gonnachange, and I think that to have
that at the young age that I amis truly a grace.
And I don't take it for granted, because there's so many people
, like you said before too,we're unhappy, searching for
(23:58):
something, and money's not theissue, and I'm so grateful they
have you because of your giftsand your ability and your talent
to serve them to their nextlevel.
But, guys, this life is sofreaking short.
There's no good reason I shouldbe here for so many different
health reasons.
Regardless, I'm obviously herefor a reason.
I'm still on the journey tofigure out why, but you may be
(24:19):
in that same scenario.
And so, when it comes to thefailure, god didn't ask you to
be perfect.
He asked you to be faith.
Baz Porter (24:25):
Yeah, that's the difference.
I love that.
Do you have any parting wordsfor the audience?
Do you either send themsomewhere or would you like to
give a free gift and anopportunity for people inside of
you?
Oh my gosh.
Justine Mader (24:36):
I would love to connect with anyone that said
you're in your sphere of theworld.
I would love to connect withyou on LinkedIn, because that's
where Baz hangs out.
So you can find me on LinkedInat Justine Mater, and if you let
me know that this was a podcast, I will absolutely make sure to
bless you in a way that I won'tshare publicly.
But, yes, there's a lot ofopportunities for consulting and
I have a network that isblessed with some of the best.
(24:57):
So if it's not something I cangive you directly, when I hear
what you're working on or whatyou're working towards, I will
get you to who I can and helpbless you along the way, because
2024 guys oh, it's gonna beawesome, it's gonna be great,
and I'd be so blessed to haveyou in my network.
If you have anything to do withBaz, please come and I would
love to support you and be apart of your world.
Baz Porter (25:18):
Justine, thank you very much for your time, your
love and your patience.
Justine Mader (25:23):
Thank you.
Baz Porter (25:24):
This will be shared and I will boot put, but in it
out, as I said before, tovarious platforms and thank you
and get your message out there.
Justine Mader (25:32):
I can't wait to get to know your community, baz.
Thank you so much.
Baz Porter (25:36):
From myself.
Thank you very much for joiningme today.
It's always a blessing to haveyou here.
Please share this message andinspire somebody else's life
today From me.
Live with purpose and inspirewith legacy.
My friends have a blessed.
Ladies and gentlemen , people of the world, welcome
to another episode of Rise inthe Ashes.
My next guest is a phenomenalhuman being.
Her name is Justin and she hasa huge experience and story
behind her, and I asked her tocome on today to really share
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her knowledge, wisdom and herlove and light with you all.
So, without further ado, pleaseintroduce yourself to the world
, justin.
Justine Mader (00:29):
Oh, baz, thank you so much for having me.
Hello everybody at Rise fromthe Ashes podcast family, so
grateful to be here.
As Baz shared, my name isJustine.
You can probably hear in myvoice I'm from Minnesota.
I've got a strong accent but Itry to live up to the whole
Minnesota nice.
I love being able to impactpeople across the globe through
the ability of virtual work.
(00:50):
So I've been servingentrepreneurs for over five
years and that has led methrough many great experiences,
opportunities including DeanGraziosi, tony Robbins, sharon
Lecter and other names that youprobably know and love, and so
it's brought me into rooms.
Baz and I love being able toshare my journey of motherhood,
(01:11):
business and just real life asan incredible human or striving
to be an incredible human right.
It's a day in progress, but nowso grateful to be here.
Thank you for having me.
Baz Porter (01:21):
And thank you for sharing.
I really appreciate people likeyou who have served at some of
the highest levels in the worldbut still remain in their hearts
.
It's sometimes a rare commodityto come across.
That's just true.
Some of our little lot of ourlisteners are inspired by tales
of overcoming adversity in theirlives, but that adversity and
(01:45):
that significant challenge canbe changed into growth, strength
and turnaround into anopportunity.
Is there anything in your lifethat you've allowed to be a
challenge but ultimately turnedit around and served you to do
what you do today?
Justine Mader (02:01):
I've been blessed with many adversities, a lot of
them stemming from things thatwere outside of my control, and
so that's one of the greatestlessons I think this life has
taught me is to embrace what youcan control and let go of what
is not yours, and to give youguys some examples of what that
looks like.
I gave birth to my first son in2019 and dislocated a tailbone.
(02:23):
For the next three months, Iwas in chronic pain, had
terrible postpartum depressionagain, things that weren't
necessarily things I couldcontrol and I had to go back to
what brought me joy.
I had left the dentistry field,which is where my experience
and my love for serving patients, bringing people back to
smiling, was filled.
That cup of just joy was trulyfilled through that experience,
(02:46):
and so here I am with a newbornchild that only has me, hasn't
done anything wrong in the world.
Is it innocent, priceless?
And motherhood was the greatestgift I could have ever asked
for in this life.
But I was just distraught.
I was so, so down, so lost, andso I asked myself what brought
me the light in my previousyears, and it was serving at a
(03:08):
volunteer dental opportunitycalled Mission of Mercy.
I started as a student, and itwas one of those things that I
was brought on the line to takecare of people that were far
less fortunate than myself, andwe sent them on their way from
not only frown but pain to justa smile that couldn't be tamed,
and so I was like how do I getback to that level of serving
(03:29):
again?
It's not going to look the same, I'm not in the same position,
but what can I do to do that?
And that sent me on the journeyof searching, and I found
remote work.
I started as a VA and was nottoo proud to be like I need to
learn.
These aren't skills that I have.
This is what I can start with.
And the crazy thing is, in 2020,I got knocked down again due to
(03:50):
not having doctors listening tome.
I had an appendicitis and theytold me it was pregnancy pain
with my second child, and Iended up going from a
appendicitis again something notin my control that burst 10
minutes before I was put on thesurgery table in the heart of
COVID in 2020.
And so I had to transfer someof my clients to someone else.
(04:10):
I said I don't know thelongevity of this.
I'm going to get you to someonethat can care for you.
So I had to again.
What can I control?
The experience and thetransition for my clients is
absolutely important.
My health and my family comefirst, and being able to realize
that wasn't a failure, thatwasn't me.
This was happening for a reason.
I didn't love it.
I was terribly painful in moreways than one, but that cycle
(04:33):
didn't stop.
I ended up having a kidThanksgiving day at 31 and 6.
General pregnancy goes between36 and 40 weeks, so we were in
NICU for 40 days.
So as a Catholic, it felt verymuch like a lent or an advent in
preparation for some of thejoys, and so it really just drew
me back to what is this lifeall about?
For me, it's legacy.
(04:53):
For me, it's family.
For me, it's about makingimpact in the lives of people
that you touch, and because ofvirtual opportunities, I've been
able to touch so many more.
But people would see me comeand go, and come and go.
They're like what keeps yougoing when we see you disappear,
and I'm like I'm notdisappearing.
I'm honoring my season, and forme this is how it looks.
(05:16):
I don't feel the necessity tohave a persona online 24 seven.
I don't need that validation.
Yes, there are benefits forbusiness strategy.
Yes, I teach a lot of thosemarketing things and you can
have automations and systems todo that.
That's great.
I could do that To me.
I actually appreciate the factthat people can tell it's me and
not a robot.
They know when I show up on,whether it's a TikTok video or
(05:38):
something else.
They see my face, they hear myemotions and, yes, some general
FAQs and different things can beautomated through AI and all
sorts of great stuff.
But people never doubt when theysee me or when they hear from
me in a message, that it's meand that's because, regardless
of what adversity that I've everfaced, I've always come back
(06:00):
stronger.
I've never changed the goal,I've changed the approach, and
so I can say very confidentlyover five years later three kids
, incredible life that Iwouldn't change a thing.
But the adversities changed meand they changed me to be the
person that I was striving for.
It never was anything you couldanticipate, but I think if
(06:21):
anybody's listening and theyfeel like the world's against
them, the mountain is justgrowing ever taller.
It's not the end goal really.
It's about the person youbecome along the way, and I know
that leaders have beenpreaching that forever, but when
you have those crosses to carry, it's never more present in
your life than that.
(06:41):
So I just want to give you theencouragement and Baz has always
been about that to be like, hey, there's the next level of you
that's waiting.
You just have to show the heckup and that's who I am.
That's what I do, and if I cando it, heck, yeah, you can, and
I expect you to, especiallyafter listening to this podcast.
Oh God.
Baz Porter (06:59):
One of the things I love.
You said the love.
What you said there is.
You were blessed to have thechallenge.
That isn't just a belief,that's a complete new identity
for somebody.
Most people go into oh, thishas happened to me, not for me.
So what you just said was verykey.
So it's about people's languageand how they present a subject,
(07:22):
and the key is listening.
The key is identifying wheresomebody's at, not what they say
, but the emotions and how theysay it.
It uncovers so much and themicro distinctions between I was
blessed to have, or this ishappening to me our night and
(07:44):
day.
So thank you for sharing thatand, by the way, congratulations
on your children.
They are a blessing, Thank you.
Justine Mader (07:50):
They truly are.
Baz Porter (07:51):
They are.
Justine Mader (07:52):
And a handful, but that's okay, I'm here for it
.
I'm here for it.
Baz Porter (07:55):
It's growth, that's all it is.
When we look at growth and inthat, sometimes habits form in
that growth, is there any habitsthat really you've even
stumbled across or that havebecome a ritual in your day?
Some people go to meditation,some people go to the gym
religiously, so I would say ahuge Please, yeah, absolutely.
Justine Mader (08:16):
I would say that a huge part of my habit have
just been structure, and what Imean by that when I teach women
to really be intentional withtheir life.
There's a huge trend right nowout there talking about balance.
I don't believe in it.
I believe in intentionality.
So the way that I teach and theway that I try to approve that
in my life, you're living proofof what you do, and it's the
(08:36):
proof is in the pudding, it'sjust who you are and what you
have accomplished.
But is integration, and byintegration, the priorities that
you need to honor in your life,the responsibilities that you
have in your life and the goalsthat you'd like to see yourself
achieve.
And so for me, as a wife andmother, there are some pretty
great alarm clocks that I'vecreated personally.
So the 4 am morning is not aforeign thing to me at all.
(09:00):
Children, however, it's not theideal.
I don't get to do necessarily acold plunge every day before
the kids wake up.
I don't necessarily get to havea single time by myself for an
expectation every single day.
So what I have encouragedpeople to do is set a list of
habits that you need to havethroughout your day in order to
(09:20):
keep you growing and keep yougoing.
So that means, yes, physicalexercise.
If it's in the gym, great, ifit's not, no problem, no excuses
.
Stay physical for your mentaland your physical wellbeing.
I definitely am striving toimprove my faith, so meditation
for me as a Catholic is therosary, so the daily rosary, not
only as myself.
It's a lot easier to say byyourself, but I say it with my
(09:41):
children and really get theminvolved because, again, the way
that we live our life issomething that we are able to
pass on to our children.
So them seeing me make goodeating habits, cooking things
from scratch and encouraging thefamily dinner, the ecosystem of
the family is really important.
So I would say those would behabits, strategically, that I
implement in the personal sideof my life.
(10:01):
But when it comes to business,I would say the real intentional
part of my life is focusing onrelationships and being able to
structure.
My business has been purely offof relationships, referrals,
conversations like this, whichI'm so grateful for, and it's
allowed me to serve and speakwith some of the greats.
So I was on the team for WorldSummits, I've had shows with
(10:24):
Steve Sims and Sharon Lecter andI couldn't be more grateful
because a lot of those humansthat I found myself able to
connect with, they realized thatthey're humans just like me,
and so when I think about thehabits, it's drinking water,
just like Baz, just like Tony,just like anybody else, and
doing the things that we knowwe're supposed to do
(10:46):
consistently.
It doesn't have to be at 4 am,it doesn't have to be at a
specific time, it has to be doneconsistently.
And so I think people such asmyself, perfectionism is a real
thing.
Don't focus on perfectionism,don't focus on balance.
Instead, find a healthyrelationship with the
integration of your priorities,goals and responsibilities, and
(11:08):
yours in mind may look different, because I'm a solo parent
right now with kids.
My husband works out of thehome and he's gone for weeks.
That's just our way right now,but that may make my scenario
different than Sarah's, and soon and so forth.
So the comparison game onlineis retarded.
It does not serve you.
Please shut off social.
We were just talking beforecamera too.
(11:29):
Limit social media as much aspossible so that you can focus
on truly what you want and notbe clouded and integrated by
what other people are trying topreach on you.
So that's a habit too.
Maybe I didn't realize.
Maybe that's one that we shouldencourage listeners to.
Baz Porter (11:44):
Yeah, I love that.
I was told I like his.
Consistency is the key andrepetition is the mother of all
skill.
You mentioned compared me thereto Tony.
We always like I'm not six footseven, I don't have hands.
Justine Mader (11:58):
Like Sharan, I'm all of five feet, okay?
No, he would literally rest hiselbow yeah.
Baz Porter (12:04):
I love Tony, steve Simza, I know personally Sharon.
I know personally these peopleare inspirations and leaders.
I aspire to these people.
There's always another level tospeak.
Justine Mader (12:18):
Absolutely.
Baz Porter (12:20):
When I'm looking at leaders, and this actually leads
very well into this nextquestion is there any?
Leaders that you've aspired tobe like.
I know you mentioned a couple,but has anyone really resonated
with you that kickstarted youwho you are today, from a very
core foundation?
Justine Mader (12:36):
It's a great question and I'd love to share.
I'm going to start with Teresa,and Mother Teresa for me is and
for those of you that maybehaven't heard of Mother Teresa
right.
She was one of the greatleaders in third world countries
that just really led with aspirit of love and for
sentiments, we're not thingsthat were great.
(12:58):
She said you can even do thelittle things with great love
and you can make a hugedifference with great love, even
in a small Zoom meeting and alarge world summit in a you know
personal email sequence.
For me, I don't need thevalidation of some great big
thing, because I know everythingI touch and every person I talk
(13:19):
to is not only a human, butit's someone deserving of love
and understanding.
And I think this world is sofast, immediate gratification,
that we have forgotten how tolove and how to bless each other
.
And so when you ask who drivesme from the foundation of who I
am, so much of my inspirationcomes from someone that had
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nothing.
She had so little.
They basically were splittingone rice bowl between 80 orphans
.
It's not even something I cancomprehend truly, but when you
think about something as simpleas nourishing your body, I want
to get back to nourishingpeople's souls, and it starts
with even part of my lesson.
(14:00):
As a wife and mother has beenmaking sure that my cup on video
, guys, you can see I have myhand.
There's not an amount of waterthat will fill a cup that has
cracks the size of my fingers.
Right, there's not enough waterin the oceans.
But if I heal and make sure topreserve who I am and what my
goals and my mission and myvocation is in this life, then I
(14:22):
have the ability to overflowinto the lives of other people,
and I think Mother Teresa didthat, so she is absolutely an
inspiration to me.
Baz Porter (14:30):
But there are other types of things that I love that
shows and exudes yourauthenticity within this, and
this is why this podcast existsbecause of people like you.
In this fast paced world andthe learning is never ending Is
there anything that stood outfor you where you can recommend
(14:52):
a go to book, a podcast, aplatform that you've really
absorbed information that'sgrown your not just education,
but your personal growth as well?
Justine Mader (15:04):
That's a great question.
I think so much of what I havecome to appreciate is, honestly,
probably cliff notes as a wifeand mom.
I'll be honest, I'm lucky if Iget 10 minutes a day to read
something, to grow beyond whatI'm doing.
So I'll be looking up blogs,I'll be looking up different
marketing and things to improvemy offer and the way that I
(15:26):
serve my clients Absolutely.
But in addition to that, I wantto read the extensive libraries
of books, and so one of Ibelieve it's called Headway is
actually the app that I utilizeProbably should have an
affiliate link.
Didn't get that.
So you can see I'm not totallydriven for money guys.
I don't have it all together,but is a great way for me to do
10, 15 minutes a day and I willget through.
(15:49):
I think one of the ones I justread recently was the power of
one, or the power of now, andit's just one of those things
where, for me, I am living mymotherhood life in a fast pace
too.
My children are growing, I amgrowing.
So what do I do to keep goingin that right direction?
Because, right, if you don't dosomething and you're stagnant,
you're actually not stagnant,you're going backwards.
So we're not about that.
(16:10):
So, in order to stay up to datewith some of that self
development that I've investedso many years into already, that
is one of the ways that Iallocate my time and intention
to, and I would say, the biggestkey not platform, not anything
else is to not multitask,monotask and monotask.
Well, and one of the seasonsthat I'm stepping into is really
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delegating and allowing otherpeople into my space.
For those that don't know, I'vebeen in and out of the game,
burned several times, had someunfortunate scenarios.
I definitely don't wish them onany of you, but I want to
relate to you in case you'relike oh, this isn't for me.
All I'd ever do is get screwedover.
Everybody's just trying to useme.
There is unfortunate evil inthis world and I'm so sorry that
(16:56):
has been your experience.
But when it comes to how youcan heal through that fail
faster, move through it andsomething as simple as headway
to keep your brain and yourmindset in the right place has
definitely been something thatI've implemented in 2023.
And I think I truly believe ithas made a difference for me.
(17:19):
But then, when we come to likeplatforms and things like that,
I'm still searching and I'm onthe maybe trajectory to create
my own mastermind of the rightpeople, and so I guess I think
if it's not a platform, it's notwho, it's not what it's who.
So I would come to some of mySEO experts and all that kind of
(17:40):
stuff.
That's not my top notch.
I know enough to be dangerous.
I know who the top dogs are, soI go to them.
So, for me, if someone were tobe like oh, what's your favorite
platform?
What's your this or that?
It depends.
What's your goal?
What are you striving?
What's your motivation platform?
Are you a coaching platform?
Are you a product platform?
And you need to go more down.
E-commerce, right, I don'tthink it's a matter of what,
(18:01):
because all the tools work.
Somehow.
Tech genius people make thathappen.
I'm not one of those and that'sokay.
I'm totally okay to say that.
However, I will bring up theleaders next to me and be like
talk to them, let's get thosepeople in the room.
So I think, instead of focusingon knowing all the things, don't
know all the things.
(18:22):
Know your task, know yourself,know your offer, know the value
you bring to the table and focuson keeping yourself in the
right headspace throughsomething like a tool like
headway or a good podcast likethis.
You guys, it doesn't have to becomplicated.
Maybe it's once a week whenagain, that goes back to your
question on habits it doesn'thave to be huge, it has to be
(18:43):
consistent.
Maybe it's something that youcatch yourself slipping on the
mindset I need to turn on apodcast.
Okay, great, I'm sorry, todaywas a rough day, didn't make the
progress that I was looking for.
Okay, let's put on a good book.
Let's talk about how to getunstuck.
Whatever the case is right.
Okay, I think, as many of youhave probably heard Marie
Forleo's just even her booktitle everything is figure
(19:05):
outable.
So if it's not a matter of what, in my experience it's been a
matter of who, and that allowsfor incredible collaboration
over competition and a realtransformation of the people
that you work with.
Baz Porter (19:18):
Yeah, all of that definition and the distinction.
If you'll listen to this nowand you're thinking, oh my God,
what the hell is this?
Go back to the very beginning.
Justine Mader (19:26):
Yeah, we're having too much fun Failure.
Baz Porter (19:29):
I don't want to go really in depth with this
because this is a verycomprehensive question.
Failure has really played apart in everybody's life.
Can you give some advice on theperceived overcoming of failure
and how one major incidentturned into not just an
(19:49):
opportunity for you, but itchanged your entire life.
It encompassed where you werepivoted your business, your life
mindset, your lifestyle,everything.
Justine Mader (20:00):
That is such a great question.
So two things.
I came from a strict upbringing, grateful for my parents,
grateful for my family, but noone is perfect, and in my season
of college and education, I waspretty much told, if I didn't
have a 4.0 or else and so it wasone of those things that the
level of perfection that I puton myself was not healthy.
(20:21):
However, it was something thattaught me the discipline of
working hard.
I not only had a 4.0 straightthrough college, but I also got
to sing the national anthem atthe graduation ceremony, which,
side note, I love to sing, andthe national anthem is the
world's best song.
And so, again, shout out toveterans I would sing it for any
and all of you if ever I could.
But when it comes to what thatlesson taught me, it was the
(20:44):
thought of failure if, if Ididn't do my best.
So instead, some of thesecollaborations came my way
through good intending peoplethat went south.
When I looked at the overallpicture, it was a stark, obvious
failure.
However, I was able to sleepwell at night, knowing I did my
best.
I didn't screw anybody over, Imade recommendations to people
(21:08):
that were scammed, and actuallyone this would be one.
So one of these guys purchasedfrom one of my business partners
in a digital marketing companyand, unbeknownst to me, he never
was delivered the product.
We had a split.
I was under the impression thathe was taken care of and I
actually only had thisconversation three months ago
(21:30):
and this was over two and a halfyears ago that this happened
and I was catching up with himand somehow it came out that he
never actually got that productthat we committed to him and I
was like why wouldn't you havetold me that?
Now I felt like a true failure,he said because you didn't fail
.
It wasn't you.
And so the whole picture showedme a failure.
(21:52):
But behind the scenes, wasthere anything I could have
changed?
Nope.
Did I show up to ever andcommit to everything that I was
responsible for?
Yes, did it still go south?
1000%, and it sucked.
When it comes to somebody goingthrough that phase in life, as I
would say, do some real, honestsoul searching.
(22:13):
Did you show up?
Did you give it what youcommitted to?
Did you follow through withwhat you said you were going to
do?
And if you didn't, that's thelesson.
But if you did, the lesson isthat things can still go a
different direction that youanticipate, but there's always a
reason, and so one of thereasons that I believe happened
(22:34):
was I got to know one of my sohe's my CTO at my business now.
I wouldn't have got to know himif I didn't have the failed
collaboration, because he was apart of that and we realized
that we were both showing up andanother partner was not.
So that relationship onlyhappened through hardship and
it's been one of the biggestblessings because, again, guys,
(22:55):
full transparency tech is not mything, so it's one of those
things for me that when you lookat the clouds, the storm is
rolling in.
There's always a silver lining,there's always a reason, and
what is life without a couple ofthunderstorms?
I love a good boom, I love agood clap, but that's what makes
the flowers grow.
So it's just.
Again, I think that comes backto mindset, it comes back to
(23:16):
perspective, and you can eitheruse it to serve you or really
sell yourself to somethinglesser than you were called to
be and you were born to be.
And it's not easy.
I'd love to just tell you, guys, it was easy, but I'd be lying
to you.
What's easy is when you committo it and you're like, hey, this
is who I am, this is what I'mdoing, and gosh darn it, if it
(23:37):
doesn't happen, we're gonna haveproblems, that's, it's easy
when you've reached that pointand I'm great at these
challenges and these experienceshave brought me to that place
where, yes, I've been able toshow up because this is who I am
.
That part of me is never gonnachange, and I think that to have
that at the young age that I amis truly a grace.
And I don't take it for granted, because there's so many people
, like you said before too,we're unhappy, searching for
(23:58):
something, and money's not theissue, and I'm so grateful they
have you because of your giftsand your ability and your talent
to serve them to their nextlevel.
But, guys, this life is sofreaking short.
There's no good reason I shouldbe here for so many different
health reasons.
Regardless, I'm obviously herefor a reason.
I'm still on the journey tofigure out why, but you may be
(24:19):
in that same scenario.
And so, when it comes to thefailure, god didn't ask you to
be perfect.
He asked you to be faith.
Baz Porter (24:25):
Yeah, that's the difference.
I love that.
Do you have any parting wordsfor the audience?
Do you either send themsomewhere or would you like to
give a free gift and anopportunity for people inside of
you?
Oh my gosh.
Justine Mader (24:36):
I would love to connect with anyone that said
you're in your sphere of theworld.
I would love to connect withyou on LinkedIn, because that's
where Baz hangs out.
So you can find me on LinkedInat Justine Mater, and if you let
me know that this was a podcast, I will absolutely make sure to
bless you in a way that I won'tshare publicly.
But, yes, there's a lot ofopportunities for consulting and
I have a network that isblessed with some of the best.
(24:57):
So if it's not something I cangive you directly, when I hear
what you're working on or whatyou're working towards, I will
get you to who I can and helpbless you along the way, because
2024 guys oh, it's gonna beawesome, it's gonna be great,
and I'd be so blessed to haveyou in my network.
If you have anything to do withBaz, please come and I would
love to support you and be apart of your world.
Baz Porter (25:18):
Justine, thank you very much for your time, your
love and your patience.
Justine Mader (25:23):
Thank you.
Baz Porter (25:24):
This will be shared and I will boot put, but in it
out, as I said before, tovarious platforms and thank you
and get your message out there.
Justine Mader (25:32):
I can't wait to get to know your community, baz.
Thank you so much.
Baz Porter (25:36):
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