DOUG Talks to LAURA GRIMSHAW about a NEW UPCOMING BOOK On GARY GRIMSHAW'S ROCK ARTWORK & Memories of Detroit

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, Hi, they Detroit Wheels.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hello, this is Laura Grimshaw calling for Doug Podell.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, Laura, it's Doug and welcome to the Rock Doc podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh well, hi, how are you?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm doing well and it's good to have you on
the air here and it's going to be great to
talk to you about some of the upcoming events and
things you've got planned for the summer. But how was
your summer, Laura, how did how were things?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Well, it's been really focused on this book about Gary
Grimshaw that myself and a team of people have been
working on since October of twenty twenty two, and specifically
we wanted to talk to you about your encounters with
Gary or his work, or what your thoughts are about
Gary Grimshaw.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
About my thoughts, Well, my thoughts are that, you know,
he was maybe one of the best artists we've ever
seen out of the Motor City. Certainly his artwork is historic,
and you know, we had him do the original WLLZ
MotorCity Rocks albums back in eighty three, eighty four, eighty

(01:14):
five in there, so.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh my goodness, yes, I know that work all.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Right, Oh yeah, that was I mean, those albums are
still highly sought after at record shows and stores around town.
So you know, he was just fantastic. But let's let
people know that Laura Grimshaw, who's on the line here,
was the wife of Gary Grimshaw, who passed away a
number of years ago. How what year was that that

(01:42):
he passed away.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Laura, January of twenty for twenty fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Oh wow, God, it is yeah, eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Eleven years now.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Woo.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Just some time.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Flies, boy, you have got that right. I know that
at the time, both of you we're in a little
bit of a money struggle, but that benefit certainly helped.
And it looks like things have gone well for you
since then, right.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, yes, And as a matter of fact, that benefit
came up in conversation with Carl Lungren, another Grandy poster
artist who made a poster for that show along with
Dennis Lauren and the late Scotty D's drawing in the middle.
And he didn't know Scotty D. And he emailed me

(02:30):
and asked about that poster and that place. I know
it was called New York, New York at the time,
and that it changed its name right after that. They'd
already planned on a name change. I don't know what
the new name or maybe exchanged names again in eleven years,
but I think it is.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think it's been a Mexican restaurant and several restaurants
since then, but it is the premier center with the
Diesel inside I see. But yeah, that was an incredible
event when you think back now of the people who
we had on stage, Dick Wagner, who has sadly passed

(03:09):
away from Frost, and Gary Quackenbush, who was out there
and he was with SRC and he's passed away, thankfully.
Our buddy Scott Morgan is still around from the Rationals,
God bless him. But that was an incredible event that
was almost historic, Laura, I have to say, so, you know,

(03:31):
we all did a great job, and I think Gary
would have been proud as he looked down upon us.
So you have been. As a matter of fact, I
think I heard the other day, about a week or
so ago, that you were right here, because we broadcast
live from the Eastern Market now and I thought somebody
said that you were at Shed five the other day

(03:53):
at that record show that they had down here. Was
that true?

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Vinyl Fest? Yes, the people from BookFest put this was
their first year doing vinyl Fest and they invited me
BookFest people invited me before the first one, and I
have attended everyone since. And I'm so proud to say
next time that we have a book Fest in July,
third week in July next year, I will have a

(04:20):
book to promote a right. So yeah, basically they have
people at book Fest that periphery of actual books. Of course,
there's a ton of books. And I've just been so
proud and loved that event so much, and I've watched
it grow, grow, grow, and really really happy to be

(04:40):
a part of that. So when they mentioned vinyl Fest,
with Gary's work being music related, again, it all fits
into the same little boat. And so I was. I
took a day off work and I said, at Vinylfest,
met some great people there, really really great event. Very

(05:00):
not as not nearly as attended as BookFest, but it
was their first one and it was it was a
good one.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Oh that's excellent. Yeah, And I know people love to
come up to you and talk to you about Gary
and about the Grandy Ballroom days, and people should know
that most of the artwork that you see historically that
you know was a part of the rock scene at
the Grandy Ballroom and the East Town Ballroom as well,

(05:31):
was from your husband, Gary Grimshaw. And you continue to
sell reproductions of his artwork and posters. Do you still
have much of his original artwork?

Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, he died without a collection of his own work.
When the Watershed book The Art of Rock from Prosay
to Punk was made, a collector was a to get
everything from him. He had a pile of posters up
to his waist and sold it all to one guy

(06:08):
and actually didn't even keep one copy for himself. And
that at that time is right after that happened, is
when he and I met at the Michigan Gallery, which
is no longer there. But I did want to say, Doug,
I saw a very cool photo of you on Facebook

(06:29):
just this morning or yesterday, you know how the days
blurred together. I saw you were standing behind Johnny Bee's
Rockets drum kit. Yes, and that drum kit, Johnny Bee
informed me, which was stolen out of his van, was
his favorite drum kit and it was a Gary Grimshaw production.

(06:54):
He painted that himself, and that.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Was also the cover of the very first Rockets album. Yeah,
so he You know, it is amazing to me how
many albums Gary did that we really never knew or
talked about. At least he didn't talk about it, you
know when we would see him. I mean just yeah,
things are going well, and you know he wouldn't say, well,

(07:17):
I just did the album cover for Edgar Winner or
something like that, you know what I mean. So he
was a very humble man. He was a beautiful guy,
and his artwork, like I said, is really second to none.
The stuff that he did, the very first MC five
poster for the Grande. I mean, he worked with the

(07:37):
fifth Estate, the Ann arbor Son. So tell me now
about this project that you've been working on, this book.
What's who is who's helping you with it? And what
can we expect to see in it?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
A lot? Okay, who's helping me with it is Christy Pessick,
who started working with Gary when he started feeling poorly
before he died and he didn't really have time in
his life. He finally did embrace computers, but he really
didn't have time to become proficient, and so we had

(08:18):
Christie to assist him with creating the final files and
things like that on many projects before he died, and
she started out the whole reason she came on board
was to teach him how to use a computer graphics Photoshop,
et cetera illustrator. But we hadn't known until right about

(08:44):
eight months before he passed away that what we had
thought was a brain tumor where he had a operation
in ann Arbor at the VA Hospital, turned out that
later on, years later. He was sick for about six
years before he passed with various things, and so as

(09:05):
he was getting symptoms later on of neurological problems and
astute doctor at the VA went back to that brain
surgery and realized that he never had a brain tumor
that he had. All what he had done was had
suffered a series of strokes and they were never acknowledged,

(09:29):
that he never got any rehab on it, and so
just the fact that he continued doing art at all
looking back is kind of a miracle. And we even
had him driving cars after he had that brain surgery.
We never knew that it was strokes and so he okay.

(09:53):
So now we have Christy Pessick was with him helping
him at the end. And then we have a who
I'll just call Charles, who wishes to remain anonymous until
the time is right, who is actually funding the project
And so this is not a spec book that we're
going to be presenting in hopes to some publisher. This

(10:17):
is going to be printed at you Litho in ann Arbor,
at their very prestigious company. They work with U of
M and actually the d i A a lot of places.
They were recommended to me by a co worker at
the d i A. I'm a shop girl. I work
at the museum shop at the Detroit Institute of Arts.

(10:39):
And that's what's kept me that and paying off my
long past to more condo fees. When we had that,
when we had that benefit, we were so much in
the hole that the condo Association was, you know, rightfully
ready to put a link on this place. And and

(11:03):
that benefit bailed us out big time. I say us
at that time. We had planned that benefit before Gary died,
but it was pre planned and it didn't actually occur
until after his passing, where it became more of a memorial.
But I will say that it had been fully planned
before his passing.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, But it really paid off, didn't it. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Oh my goodness. You and I was just going to say,
you and your wife Oh, my goodness, the amount of
work that you put into Not only that benefit, but
I can name five others off the top of my head.
But you know, your contribution to the longevity of the
people who provide the entertainment in Detroit, Doug Podell, is

(11:53):
fabulous and we appreciate you so much. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh, I appreciate that so much. Well, you know, I
have to say that I'm almost kind of glad that
he didn't, you know, take to the computer art form,
because what we have from Gary Grimshaw in the end
is true artwork from the human hand. And I'm not

(12:21):
you know, I'm not putting down graphic art work at
all or computer art work, but certainly the stuff that
Gary did was passionate. It was from the heart and soul,
and you can see it in the work that he
left behind. So in that regard, I guess, I guess

(12:43):
I'm glad that, you know, we still have the human
artwork from one of the best. But isn't some of
his original work hanging in museums at least, if not
here around the country.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Well, I'm not sure about his original works. There many
of his original posters, So the original art that goes
with the posters were sold off years ago as we
lived in Oakland and San Francisco. He sold a lot

(13:19):
of original art. I have a few pieces, and the
book is going to reveal how a few pieces came
to me with his heavenly intervention after his death. Very
interesting stories, okay, and yeah, and so the book to
get back to that question. For a long time we

(13:42):
were planning the book and we had everything in neat
little categories, you know, things that people didn't know he did,
Like the comics. He did more than just Goose Lake gags.
He actually did quite a few comics, and Carl Langren
and he cooperated on many comics together. He did a

(14:02):
little bit of fine art. He did album covered CD covers,
he did book covers. mL Leebler did a book called
The Wide Awake in someone Else's Dream, and that book
cover won the Michigan Book Award for I'm sorry, I
can't think of the organization at this time, but it
won a book award, the top prize in that year

(14:24):
that it was done. So Gary's work was more than
just the Grandee and more than just posters. And this
is what the book will reveal. Now. For years we
worked on it in little, like I say, tight little categories,
and we were having sort of challenges in that, you know,

(14:46):
some of the chapters would be super thin and others
would be super thick, and it didn't seem to flow
the way that we were looking. And so also I
am I'm a decent writer. I'm more of a poet,
how ever, and so I would have had to learn
how to write and then make the all the writing

(15:08):
in the book happen until last year when the MC
five book was released by Jan yu Lensky and Brad
you might remember his last name, Brad by Jan and
Brad Danielskin, Yes, yes, right, and Ben Edmunds. Of course,

(15:34):
all of these were based on Ben Ben Edmunds interviews
with the people involved, and that's how that book came about.
It was more of a matter for those two to
call through this treasure trove and create that book. But
when I was reading that book, of course, I haven't

(15:55):
read the whole thing, I'm sorry to say, but I
jumped ahead and read all of Gary's pieces. Of course,
it really inspired me for a new direction for our book.
And in June of this year, I went away on
a small retreat in mid Michigan and had a suite
to myself and spread the whole thing out on the

(16:17):
ground and I started rearranging, and what I came up
with was more now of a timeline. It's not going
to be chapters, it's now sections and so of Yeah,
the part that starts at the Grandee and goes all
the way to the publication of the Art of Rock,

(16:37):
of course, that's the meat of the sections. But again,
we're going to talk about things that have happened since
his passing in the past eleven years. We're going to
talk about things that happened after the when we were
in California for those we spent fourteen years living there.
You know, he did stuff. Now we can't print the

(17:01):
Fillmore and Avalon stuff because that's owned by someone else,
but we can talk about it, you know. And also
he worked for a company that did rock and roll
posters on the West Coast, and you know, we're not
sure whether we'll be including those, but we can talk
about it. So these we're gonna throw in everything. But

(17:25):
Michael Earlywine, who is from the Prime Movers, if you
recall that band, actually where for a minute Iggy Pop
was part of that band. Those brothers gave Iggy his
nickname because previous to that band, he was in the Iguanas,
and so when he joined the Prime Movers, they just

(17:47):
nicknamed him Iggy and it stuck like big time. So
and by the way, Iggy also mentions Johnny b and
his small contribution to the book. So Johnny Bee's name
has been Johnny Bee is another constant in Gary's story.

(18:07):
There's so many others involved in Gary's story. And as
you said, Gary was kept to himself. He didn't talk
about himself much. He and I didn't sit around talking
about his rock and roll days or you know, the
White Panther stuff. We didn't sit around talking about that stuff.
I wish we had more now, but we always talked

(18:28):
about the idea of doing it, but never did it,
Gary and I. And so now I'm picking up where
where Gary and I didn't do and I'm relying on
interviews from others to tell the story, and those interviews
will be inters first with what Michael early Wine really

(18:54):
insisted on it. And we had a little bit of
a trouble picturing, but now that we've got the timeline going,
it fits in so perfectly. We're also going to be
talking about the venues the places that Gary did work for,
and he did a work for a lot in ann

(19:15):
Arbor and Southeast Michigan in general in Detroit, So there's
going to be kind of a little book within the
book about the venues.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
It really sounds like a fascinating book, Laura. I mean
the amount of the amount of information that you've just
you know, talked about right there, along with photographs and memories.
I mean, it is going to be a special book,
There's no question about it. And you're a special person, Laura,

(19:47):
for handling and taking care of and continuing the legacy
of somebody who has been so important to Michigan, to
the Motor City and to rock music in general. To
keep this legacy alive, it is a beautiful thing to see.
And I just can't wait until the book comes out

(20:10):
to read it and put it on my coffee table
and enjoy it. I know it's going to be great.
Has the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame ever reached
out to you, if, if at anything, just to display
some of his work, But really he should be This
is a person and this is a category, and maybe

(20:32):
it's something that the Rock Hall needs to take a
look at. But the artists of the rock world could
be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
maybe Jack White or you know some of these Detroit
artists like Bob Seger and Alice Cooper, who have you
know been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

(20:55):
Could you know, put that word out there to the
Rock Hall because they do have new peace people now
who are more sensitive to the sixties and seventies and
have more passion for the rock of that era. So
have they ever reached out to you.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Well, yes, short answer is yes. It also involves a
little bit because Gary was there for the opening of
the Rock Hall, and they've always had some of his
artwork in their displays, but formally. And this was answered
last year when I got my second personal tour of

(21:36):
their archives. I always wondered why they didn't use artwork
more prominently, why they always leaned towards costumes and everything
else but posters in the past. In the past, but
lately they've been adding more posters. And that answer came

(22:00):
because I asked it. When I spoke with the director
of the archives, it was explained to me that it's
taken all these years to fully archive, and the curators
just didn't know what was available to put in their displays.
In other words, yes, the art of the Hall of

(22:23):
Fame has had the art of Gary Grimshaw. They have
a real nice collection and they've had it the whole time.
They haven't used it because the curators who create the
displays were not aware of what was in their own.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Collection, of course.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
And so that that's the simple answer, and it is.
It is kind of a cry and shame, you know.
They could write a song about that. But they do
have a wonderful They've got a wonderful staff over there.
They've embraced me with open arms. And I have the

(23:02):
phone number of the president of the Rock Hall of Fame,
Greg and he will pick up the phone and talk
to me if I call him. And that feels good.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
And when I last was there, I saw a lot
more of Gary's work out there.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Oh that's great, that's excellent.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I did not know that.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
So that's fantastic. Laura, look at you are. You are
a human dynamo.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I wanted to say. One other thing is that when
the MC five was inducted in the Rock Hall of Fame,
they used each of the little each of the bands
or each entertainer, they get a little movie made about them.
Very short. It's an intro movie, and I think it's

(23:48):
the little movie they show while the people are walking
to the stage or something. Right well, way before when
the MC five first was inducted, they called me and
they licensed some of Gary's work to go in that
little movie. And as a result of that, I was
able to take Christie and invite Gary's son from right

(24:11):
now he lives in Tennessee and his wife and the
four of us went to the actual induction ceremony in
Cleveland last year, and that's when I had my tour,
my second tour of the archives, and it was wonderful,
and yes, Gary's work was like you could count the

(24:32):
seconds one, two, three, four or five and that was it,
you know. But they treated me like a queen, and
you know, we're very happy to have Gary's work in there.
They were able to give us those four tickets gratis
in lieu of you know, giving me any money, and
I was so happy. I love that trade that we

(24:55):
did with the Rock Hall of Fame. Now that was
actually with the production company. It does the movies the
little films. The Rock Hall is not. They're not the
ones who produced that. In fact, the Rock Hall is
separate entity from the New York Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame overseers. You know, they have an office in

(25:17):
New York. They're independent from the Hall of Fame and museum.
I don't know the president of the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame in New York. Let me make that clear.
I'm talking about Cleveland. You know, I'm welcome in Cleveland.
And another time I visited with Billy Davis. I was
helping Billy Davis, who is a Rock Hall of Fame inductee,

(25:40):
and he got in on a because that was an
injustice that was righted. He got into the Rock Hall
of Fame, but not at the time that the induction
ceremony happened, and so they just send him later. It
was an author, Oh darn, I can't think of his name,
but he's very famous writer who wrote about Billy Holiday

(26:02):
and a lot of different people, and he had interviewed
Billy extensively. And a lot of people in Detroit were
upset that Billy wasn't included in the Hank Ballard and
the Midnighters because Billy was a midnighter. He wasn't just
part of the backup band. He was a midnighter. There

(26:23):
was Hank Ballard, there was the Midnighters, and then there
was the backup band, and Billy was part of the Midnighters. Okay,
but this is a funny story. The Midnighters, the Hank
Ballard people, they started out with one poster and through
the years they never changed the poster ever, Right, it

(26:45):
was always the same poster that they would use. And
Cal somebody was the musician, the guitar player on that poster.
He was the one who was inducted and he never
said a word about it aim on him. But anyway,
Hank was already passed away, so he couldn't have have

(27:07):
righted that wrong before it happened either. So what happened
was that when the Rock Hall of Fame was doing
their research, they came up with this I think his
name was Davis. I don't know why, but this guy
named let's just call him Cal Davis. Okay. So Cal
Davis kept on coming up all through these years on
that poster. And so when they tried to contact the musicians,

(27:30):
they contacted that guy. And what happened was early on
in the midnighters, that guy was arrested in Detroit and
taken to jail, and they needed somebody, and so they
got Billy. And then Billy was so great that they
kept Billy, and Billy toured with them for the majority

(27:50):
of the time. But he never said anything about you know,
Billy didn't pot. He was a little bit like Gary
in that he didn't push himself for right. And so
when I found out that that Billy had never been
to the Hall of Fame, I called up the president
of the Hall of Fame and I said, I'm bringing Billy,

(28:11):
you know, can you you know, show him a good
time or whatever? And that again they they treated us
like VIPs. And of course Billy was Now there's another
guy who was giving a talk at the Archives. It
just so happened that weekend we went Harvey kuber Neck,

(28:31):
and Harvey's from Los Angeles. He's a friend of Dennis
Lauren and Gary's been in several of his books, including
his book on Jimmy Hendrix. Gary's posters are in that book.
So at any rate, that's just all side stuff. We
went to Billy and I went to hear Harvey talk
on his book, which wasn't the one on Jimmy Hendrix,

(28:53):
it was a different one. And then they took us
all to this fancy restaurant, Billy and Harvey and my
self and Andy from the Hall of Fame. So I
got nothing but great things. I love the Hall of Fame.
I embraced Cleveland and they have treated Gary very well.

(29:15):
And yes, his posters are sprinkled all throughout well.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Billy Davis too is also rock royalty. He's a jewel
of the Motor City and Detroit and the Detroit music scene.
And you know, I mean a lot of people say
that Jimmy Hendricks stole Billy's gig, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
So no, no, no, no, no, he didn't. Billy and
I were working on a book as well. It hasn't
come to fruition. But no, no, that's not the story.
That's not correct. Jimmy came to a performance that the
Midnighters were doing in Seattle and it was a multi

(29:56):
night performance. They were there for about a week, I believe,
And you know, Billy was into women and booze and drugs,
you know, like all the rock and roller real big
time and he's friends with Sam Cook, and all these
stories are still in his head and he's written out

(30:18):
some of them. And at any rate, Jimmy was just
a kid, like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old, and he
hung around at the backstage there and said, I want
to meet the guitar player. And so one of the
band members went up to Billy, and Billy was in

(30:38):
the middle of, you know, getting it together with some lady,
and Billy said, I don't want to meet no guy,
you know, tell him to go away. So then a
few minutes later, the band member came back and he said,
he really wants to meet you, Billy, and Billy says,
get lost. So then the third time the guy came

(31:00):
up and said, Billy, this young man really really wants
to meet you, and he's really being a hassle. You
got to go there and meet this guy. So he
met Jimmy Hendricks at that time, at Jimmy Hendrick's real
annoying insistence, and so Jimmy said, I want you to

(31:21):
meet my dad. Come over to the house, and so
he did. He was there for a few days. He
went over and he met Jimmy's dad and they hung
out and he showed Jimmy some things on this what
he described as a pitiful guitar that Jimmy owned. He
let Jimmy play his guitar, and his dad was laughing because,

(31:43):
you know, he says, well, you know, Jimmy started out
with a broomstick in the in the from the closet
in the hallway. You know, That's how Jimmy Hendrick started
out as a kid. He was so into playing the
guitar that that he pulled out, you know, the broom
out of the and used it as a play guitar.
And that's you know. And so the thing about Billy

(32:09):
is he doesn't have it in him anymore, God love him.
He's over eighty. But he used to do great gymnastics,
incredible things on stage, most of which are lost and
many of which were picked up by Jimmy Hendricks. But
they kept in contact. And there's a whole little chapter

(32:30):
of Jimmy Hendricks wanted to record Billy in New York
years later after he had made it, and Jimmy said, well,
I got to go to Europe and do this gig,
and when we get back, we're going to go into
the studio and do this because Billy had been hanging
around the recording studio, but the management didn't like Billy

(32:52):
hanging around. They just wanted him to play with, you know,
the rock and roll guys. You know, Billy was just
not the didn't fit into their preconceived uh, you know,
ideas of what what Jimmy and they were in charge,
you know, but Jimmy said, no worries. He said, I'm
gonna I'm gonna get it all straightened out and we're

(33:15):
going to record. And Billy still has that song that
he wrote for Jimmy. I think he does play it
once in a while, and he might even say before
he plays it that it was for Jimmy. But that
was the trip where Jimmy was killed in Europe, and
so uh. Billy also wrote about how he found out

(33:36):
about that. Uh, he found out about it from a
headline on a discarded newspaper on the streets of New York.
You know. So, Jimmy Hendricks was really big in Billy
Davis's life, and Billy Davis was really big in Jimmy
Hendricks's life. It's just one of those unknown things because

(33:56):
you know, people like Gary and like Billy, they don't
go right on just telling people that you know, they're
not bragging kind of people.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Right now. That's a great story, Laura, that is an
incredible story. Thank you for sharing that and clearing up
a little bit about that. So is there a website
Laura that people can go just view if they want,
or maybe even purchase some of Gary's artwork.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Well, there's no website at this time, but Gary has
a Facebook page that's run by Rich Doris, who many
Detroiters will know his name, Big Rich. His brother ran
Geto Press and Ghetto Rags, and so they can they
can look at a lot of Gary's artwork there. And

(34:43):
I'll be contributing more to that Facebook page as time
goes on and we have things to share about the book.
But the posters at this time, right now, I'm happy
to say and sad at the same time to say
that they are exclusively available at the Detroit Institute of Arts.

(35:04):
It took me a while to get them in there,
but they are sold there at the DIA.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I love that. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, that is yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Well, thank you, thank you so much for spending some
time with us talking about Gary Grimshaw, talking about the
Detroit rock scene from the sixties and seventies era, but
most importantly about the new upcoming book that when do
you think that will be out? Laura?

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Well, I'm shooting to have March April of twenty twenty
six to go to the printer and on My goal
is that if it's not already out yet, that I
will launch it at the book Fest Detroit. Okay, yeah,
that's July, third week in July.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
All right. Well, exciting, very exciting for people who have
followed that scene throughout the years, and I would imagine
very exciting for you to be able to put out
something like this for Gary.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
And yeah, I look forward to thank you so much and.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I look forward to talking to you again when the
book comes out. How about that? Okay, hey, we'll do that,
all right, all right, well, Laura Grimshaw, thank you so much,
and thanks for joining us here on Detroit's wheels.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I appreciate you, guys,