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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, hither Detroit Wheels.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey is it Rod, It's Rod?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yep, all right, Rod Brandon on the line.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
He's an organizer of many of the record shows that
some of you may attend, or maybe you have it
yet and you're about to And uh, I wanted to
talk to you Rod for the longest time now because
people come up to me all the time and they go, Doug,
whatever happened to that east Side record show? So that
(00:31):
was the one that you were doing in Clawson, Yes,
So what did happen to that one?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Rod?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, they couldn't couldn't keep the building up. They didn't
have enough members and they had to put it up for sale.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Oh wow, Well that kind of happened. That kind of
happened before when Al Campbell was doing record shows.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Rod.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I don't know if you remember that. I used to
do a few in the mid nineties.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yep. I did Rosego all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
That was a great place.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, you know, when I was losing class and I
went back up that a way and almost directly across
the street, there was another hall there and I'm looking
for the old hall and it had been bulldozed, I
mean it was gone.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Oh well, yeah, I guess they did something with it.
They turned it into a parking lot, that's what they did. Yeah,
how long have you been putting on these record shows
around town?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Now?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I've been I started with ann Arbor and I've been
doing them for about running them for about thirty five
years something like that, No kidding, So you're doing them
longer than that.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You were doing record shows when they were popular, when
they weren't popular, and then when they were popular again, right.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yep, yep? I mean in the in the in the
early days, you know, when when we had the Inn
Arbors show at the Elks Lodges on Eisenhower Parkway. You know,
it was nothing for us to bring in six eight
hundred people every show. Sometimes more so, it's just insane.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
What's the calendar look like now for you for upcoming
record shows? And I understand you have one coming up
this weekend this Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
This is the one that kind of replaced the Claws
In show, right, So tell us a little bit about this.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, it's the at the Monihan Banquet Center on seven
Mile in Farmington Road in Malvonia, and we're in our
second year there and it's just doing great it's been
the move. When you move a show, you know a
lot of times you lose roughly twenty five percent of
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of your base. And the very first show, we had
a TV station out there, and uh, it just it
just went crazy for the first show. So it's been
great and it's and it's been a good place, a
great place to have the show. You know, there's tons
of parking there and everything. And the folks that run it,
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you know, they're they're wonderful to work with.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
That's probably half the battle, right is finding a good
not only a good space in a in a great area,
but you know, and then have the working people around
you kind of get it right so that that always, Yes,
I'm sure that helps.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I looked for two over two months trying to find
a good location to move that show to.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
A lot of people will say, Rod that you know,
that's really isn't the east Side, Lavonna? I mean, that's
not exactly the east Side. So are you still continuing
to look for, you know, an area around the.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
East Side that might be able to house a record.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Show at this time? No, because I scoured the east
Side looking for a good place. Wow, you know, and
I found the one in Roseville, and it sounded real promising.
You know, I offered to sign three year contracts with him,
and then he found out he didn't or figured out
that all of his tables were broken and he didn't
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want to order new tables, and so we didn't get
the hall. Oh and that was a letdown because that
would have been perfect. Yeah, it would have been perfect.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So I know, this isn't the only record show that
you do. Where else do you have him?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Kalamazoo, Lancing and ann Arbor? Wow, those are the shows
that I run.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, so who would you say has the best attendance
out of all of those shows?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You know, it's a real toss up between ann Arbor
and the Metro Detroit show in Lavonia.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Okay, I remember doing the ann Arbor shows, but it
seemed like people were looking more for dollar albums there,
And you know in the Roseville show that I used.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
To do there on grass It they were looking for
more of the expensive stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
So I guess each place has its own identity, and
each area has its own kind of you know consumers.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Right right right, And and ann Arbor is is not
a dollar album record show by any means. Yeah, you'll
find you know a boxer two or you know something
at dealer tables. But for the most part, no, it's
it's a it's a much better show. And and we've
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been at Weber's for I think right around thirty years,
so roder So it's well known.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Who do you have selling records at your shows? Now?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Are they mostly guys who own record stores like John
from Village Vinyl or Bob from Rock Rock of Ages
or or are they just collectors like guys like me
who uh, you know, had too much stuff and needed
to get rid of some of it.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Most of them are are just collectors. You know. One
of the shows that does uh ann Arbor and and
Metro Detroit both is Jeff from Record Graveyard and ham Trammick.
He's there all the time. And and we'll get a
store in and out occasionally. Look at the next Kalamazoo show,
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we get satellite records they're coming in and setting up.
And ann Arbor we don't get any of the stores
of ann Arbor.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
The well, they probably have a pretty good built in
audience out there.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Ann Arbor you would think.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Has always been such a musical area, you know, especially
for bands that they probably don't feel they need to
do that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
How how are record shows doing these days?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Are they still as popular as they were when I
was doing them, say ten years ago, or has it
fallen off a bit?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Or is it picked up?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
No, it's it's it's good. They're all good. There was
a time that I actually considered shutting down at different
times the Lancing Show and the Kalamazoo Show, and then
all of a sudden, boom, it just attendants picked right
up and we sell the shows out every every time
for dealers, and we just we have a good audience,
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you know, all four of them. Now. It's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So so are you usually sold out? I mean, is
it possible at all?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Or uh, let's say a new collector to contact you
and get a couple of tables for a show, or uh?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Is there a waiting list these days?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Usually a waiting list? But you know, the every every show,
you know, there'll be a dealer or two or three
that can't make it my regular dealers, you know, okay,
and you know sometimes that happens, and you know, get
I get on the phone and I call the folks
that are on the waiting list, you know, and they're
always happy to get in. So you know, there's I
(08:18):
would say never, say never, because never doesn't materialize. You
can get in from time to time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Well, it sounds like this is pretty much a full
time job for you, right, I mean organizing this, going around,
trying to find these places, negotiating with these people, and
then you know, having dealers call up and say, hey,
I can't make it. You got to get a replacement.
So that's it sounds to me like it's a pretty
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hefty job, right.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It is. Sometimes they can be a bit taxing, you know,
but it's it's just what I love. I mean, I
started at ten years old than all my allowance buying records,
and it's never stopped.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So you were a collector that just had too much
stuff too right Yep? Yeah, yep, I still have too
much stuff, Rod, So I may see you sooner than later.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, so do I I mean, holy cow, And I'm
trying to work and so I can get my get
my own space straightened up and get I mean I
have boxes of records in the floor, I have boxes
the record stacked off, and I have a and I
have a large space, and it's like, oh my god, man, why.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, yeah, No, I'm with it, you know, I am
with you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Plus, I've got toys and cassettes and eight tracks and
forty fives. I used to take a little bit of everything.
But what what's the best what's the best course of
action there?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Rod? Is it better to just you know, stick to
one thing, like you know.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Like my but he and our friend Greg ALKI uh,
when I used to see him out at Beatlefest in Chicago,
I mean, it was nothing but beatles, right, and he
still kind of specializes in that. But if I were
to say, you know what's Greg's specialty, it's probably sealed
you know, albums. Everything is very pristine and mint. So
(10:21):
what's the better course? Is there any rhyme or reason
or is it just you know, the pick of.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
The day kind of the pick of the day, I guess.
I mean I've even started taking from time to time,
I'll take cassettes into the shows and always sell them,
you know, and CDs. CDs not so much anymore. People
(10:50):
are people into the vinyl again, you know, and I
love seeing that because there's no better way to listen
to something than on vinyl. None.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, I am going to debate you on that.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
A little bit because I am a collector and I
have fallen in love with my real to reel tapes.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Oh yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I mean if anybody, even my wife, will say, were
you listening to that on real to reel? Because it
just sounds thicker, you know, it sounds bigger from the
basement where I am down there. So there is a difference.
I think there is, you know. And they're hard to
find and they're expensive, so you know, yeah, and they're delicate,
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and there.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Is a difference. They are good that the reels sound good.
I used to have one, yeah, and I played it
quite a bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I love my real to reel tapes. But you know,
I've got everything. I've got eight tracks, like I said, cassettes, forty.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Fives, you know, and that.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And like my buddy Frank Pettis, I think Frank does
your shows right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, Frank does, does the Metro Detroit show, so he.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Has always a wide variety of stuff. I bought eight
tracks from him. I bought rock photographs, so uh. It
is always cool to come in and see the different dealers,
the different setups and uh and what they have and
it gets competitive in there at times too. I mean
a lot of guys, you know, they have their set
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prices and and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But I always dicker deal.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I know.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I always felt that if you're picking it up and
you're looking at it, I'm gonna try and sell it
to you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, what are people buying these days?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Rod?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
What are you seeing people buy? Heavy metal? British Invasion, pop,
Taylor Swift records? What is it out there?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I believe or not. I do sell a lot of
Taylor Swift. Metal is always a big seller. I think
Floyd and Zeppelin are always big sellers. Oh yeah, you know,
and just the general rock stuff and the psych stuff.
And ann Arbor is a big jazz down Oh so
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you know it's a jazz sells and ann Arbor pretty well,
we do forty five. Market isn't what it used to be,
but some of the dealers do bring forty fives. I myself,
I haul anywhere's between four thousand and forty five hundred
records to each show. Hmm, helpiece.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, let's let's suck ab out all the other work
you do and then you got to load in and
load out. Yes, forty five hundred records Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
YEP, that's quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I may not bring that really if I ever do
another show, I think, I think I'll bring you know,
what I can what I can carry in the back
of my suv.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's about it.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
But what was one of the most expensive items you've
ever sold?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Rod?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Probably the Rationals fan Club album. There was only four
of those ever pressed, and I managed to get my
hands on one of them, and uh uh, I ended
up I got in a bind. I had three houses.
I got married and I had a house. She had
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a house, and then we had a house, and uh
it was getting a little bit tight, making three house
payments every month, and so I thought, well, all right,
this is it. And I knew someone that wanted to
buy it, and I said, come in and make me
an offer. Let's talk about it. And I ended up
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getting three thousand in cash and about five thousand in
trade out of that record.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Wow, that was just It's got Morgan in the raft. YEP.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
By the way, it was the fan Club album.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
One of my Detroit rock bands of all time. It
was actually Rod, the very first rock artist I ever
saw at Team club night at Saint Matthew's on the
east Side. So Scott Morgan has a special place in
my heart as it is.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But ten thousand bucks for a record, wow, yep.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And Scott he's just a phenomenal guy, he really is.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I wonder if who ever bought it got it signed
by Scott.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I mean, I know he'd sign it, but no.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I went to Scott and asked to put it out.
You know, I wanted to do a CD of it,
and I had three unreleased ascetates, so there's also and
you know, he says, well, you know you're gonna have
to go and talk to the guy that deals with Daddy,
goes if are you I just put it out?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, the slap on the wrist in the ten thousand
dollars fine later I don't know, but but yeah, No,
there's always somebody who has rights to something, don't they
I put out here At WLLZ, we collectively put out
two albums in twenty two and twenty three of local music,
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and it was like pulling teeth to get some of
these songs on the album. And you know, we weren't
expecting to make a whole lot of money. We didn't
print a lot of them, you know. But it was
just a matter of getting them out there, you know.
And some guys were into it, some weren't. But it
was good to do that project and get some good
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stuff out there like that.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And yeah, I mean I did. I did three different
CDs of Michigan garage stuff. It was just garage compilation.
And still the disks, I mean I filled them and numb,
you know, they're they're hanging around out there.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Got a few of those, I think I do.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, well, I'm excited for this upcoming show.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It's this Sunday, Farmington and seven Mile Road. Now do
you have food and drinks and stuff like that?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You can have drinks. They don't have food right now,
but I want to I want to make sure it's
it's the Monahan Banquet Center. Okay, it is an Elks lodge,
but it's the signage out front is Monahan's Banquet Center.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So that's that's good to know.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It was. Actually it's the k of C, notw the Elks.
That was a k C.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
All right, listen, good luck with this show.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
But we have to keep our our radar up and
continue to look for something just a little closer to
you know.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
The Royal Oak Troy. Uh, you know, Sterling Heights area.
Somewhere in there, there's got.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
To be a space, maybe someone and we'll hear this
podcast and coming forward with.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
A place. I know there was that VFW hall.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I don't know if it's a VFW, but a hall
in downtown Utica.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
That a good space for a record show.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I always thought that anyway, But I've never been inside
to see how large it is, so I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Know, right, yeah, I mean, you know, I'll never say no,
you know, I mean I'll never say never, right, you
just never know.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
So what's the cost to get in?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
The early admission begins at eight o'clock and that's fifteen
dollars to get in. Ten o'clock admission is three dollars.
Oh and under eighteen or free?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Oh okay, wow, oh well that's a good deal.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, the early guys, I think I remember that as
I'd be setting up, you know, I'd have this dude
standing there all already picking through my stuff. And then
you know, I made a few sales, so I was
okay with it.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I tell the dealers all the time, guys, you know,
loading begins at seven o'clock. Get here, you're missing the
serious buyer crowd.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well yeah, if you're paying to come in, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yep, yep. If you're doing that, you're there for a
reason and you're a serious buyer, you know. And I'm
not saying that the serious buyer waits until it's three
dollars either, they do, you know, but you just you really,
the guys like to come in at eight o'clock, the
early birds, and get first picked through everybody's new stock.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, I'm going to have to remember that for sure.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Well, Rod, listen, it was great talking to you about,
you know, these record shows. It's certainly a passion of mine.
I know of yours and and so many of my friends.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
My boss actually, Casey said yeah, tell them to find something.
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I used to go to that closs and show all
the time. So all of us around here are freaks
for vinyl, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So all right, Well you've covered every base, brother, and
that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Good luck, congratulations, and you know what, from all of
us who are vinyl freaks collectors, thank you so much
for doing this because it's a lot of work. You
don't have to, you know, you could just set up
yourself to somebody else's show, but you tend to take
it on and put them up all around town.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You know you're doing a service and it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Well. Thanks, I appreciate it. It is work, but show, but
it's a work of passion. I mean, I've been a
record collector all my life and it's just something that
I really like to do.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
All right, Well, is there a website that people can
keep up with your shows on?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
We have a Facebook page for each and every show.
For this one's Metro Detroit Record Show. We have an
all known for ann Arbor Record Show. Its same for
Kalamazoo Lancing. All right, absolutely hit the hit those Facebook
pages like it. We'll invite you to follow it and
I'll get you to keep track of all the shows.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
All right.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well this Sunday Farmington seven mile round to get over there.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And yeah, definitely all right.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Rod Well, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Rod Bram from one of the one of the main
organizers of record shows in Detroit, and we salute you brother,
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate it.
Yeah, hither Detroit Wheels.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey is it Rod, It's Rod?
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yep, all right, Rod Brandon on the line.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
He's an organizer of many of the record shows that
some of you may attend, or maybe you have it
yet and you're about to And uh, I wanted to
talk to you Rod for the longest time now because
people come up to me all the time and they go, Doug,
whatever happened to that east Side record show? So that
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was the one that you were doing in Clawson, Yes,
So what did happen to that one?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Rod?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Well, they couldn't couldn't keep the building up. They didn't
have enough members and they had to put it up for sale.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Oh wow, Well that kind of happened. That kind of
happened before when Al Campbell was doing record shows.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Rod.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I don't know if you remember that. I used to
do a few in the mid nineties.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yep. I did Rosego all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
That was a great place.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, you know, when I was losing class and I
went back up that a way and almost directly across
the street, there was another hall there and I'm looking
for the old hall and it had been bulldozed, I
mean it was gone.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Oh well, yeah, I guess they did something with it.
They turned it into a parking lot, that's what they did. Yeah,
how long have you been putting on these record shows
around town?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Now?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I've been I started with ann Arbor and I've been
doing them for about running them for about thirty five
years something like that, No kidding, So you're doing them
longer than that.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
You were doing record shows when they were popular, when
they weren't popular, and then when they were popular again, right.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yep, yep? I mean in the in the in the
early days, you know, when when we had the Inn
Arbors show at the Elks Lodges on Eisenhower Parkway. You know,
it was nothing for us to bring in six eight
hundred people every show. Sometimes more so, it's just insane.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
What's the calendar look like now for you for upcoming
record shows? And I understand you have one coming up
this weekend this Sunday.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
This is the one that kind of replaced the Claws
In show, right, So tell us a little bit about this.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, it's the at the Monihan Banquet Center on seven
Mile in Farmington Road in Malvonia, and we're in our
second year there and it's just doing great it's been
the move. When you move a show, you know a
lot of times you lose roughly twenty five percent of
(02:52):
of your base. And the very first show, we had
a TV station out there, and uh, it just it
just went crazy for the first show. So it's been
great and it's and it's been a good place, a
great place to have the show. You know, there's tons
of parking there and everything. And the folks that run it,
(03:14):
you know, they're they're wonderful to work with.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
That's probably half the battle, right is finding a good
not only a good space in a in a great area,
but you know, and then have the working people around
you kind of get it right so that that always, Yes,
I'm sure that helps.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I looked for two over two months trying to find
a good location to move that show to.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
A lot of people will say, Rod that you know,
that's really isn't the east Side, Lavonna? I mean, that's
not exactly the east Side. So are you still continuing
to look for, you know, an area around the.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
East Side that might be able to house a record.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Show at this time? No, because I scoured the east
Side looking for a good place. Wow, you know, and
I found the one in Roseville, and it sounded real promising.
You know, I offered to sign three year contracts with him,
and then he found out he didn't or figured out
that all of his tables were broken and he didn't
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want to order new tables, and so we didn't get
the hall. Oh and that was a letdown because that
would have been perfect. Yeah, it would have been perfect.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So I know, this isn't the only record show that
you do. Where else do you have him?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Kalamazoo, Lancing and ann Arbor? Wow, those are the shows
that I run.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, so who would you say has the best attendance
out of all of those shows?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
You know, it's a real toss up between ann Arbor
and the Metro Detroit show in Lavonia.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Okay, I remember doing the ann Arbor shows, but it
seemed like people were looking more for dollar albums there,
And you know in the Roseville show that I used.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
To do there on grass It they were looking for
more of the expensive stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
So I guess each place has its own identity, and
each area has its own kind of you know consumers.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Right right right, And and ann Arbor is is not
a dollar album record show by any means. Yeah, you'll
find you know a boxer two or you know something
at dealer tables. But for the most part, no, it's
it's a it's a much better show. And and we've
(05:41):
been at Weber's for I think right around thirty years,
so roder So it's well known.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Who do you have selling records at your shows? Now?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Are they mostly guys who own record stores like John
from Village Vinyl or Bob from Rock Rock of Ages
or or are they just collectors like guys like me
who uh, you know, had too much stuff and needed
to get rid of some of it.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Most of them are are just collectors. You know. One
of the shows that does uh ann Arbor and and
Metro Detroit both is Jeff from Record Graveyard and ham Trammick.
He's there all the time. And and we'll get a
store in and out occasionally. Look at the next Kalamazoo show,
(06:32):
we get satellite records they're coming in and setting up.
And ann Arbor we don't get any of the stores
of ann Arbor.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
The well, they probably have a pretty good built in
audience out there.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Ann Arbor you would think.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Has always been such a musical area, you know, especially
for bands that they probably don't feel they need to
do that.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
How how are record shows doing these days?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Are they still as popular as they were when I
was doing them, say ten years ago, or has it
fallen off a bit?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Or is it picked up?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
No, it's it's it's good. They're all good. There was
a time that I actually considered shutting down at different
times the Lancing Show and the Kalamazoo Show, and then
all of a sudden, boom, it just attendants picked right
up and we sell the shows out every every time
for dealers, and we just we have a good audience,
(07:34):
you know, all four of them. Now. It's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So so are you usually sold out? I mean, is
it possible at all?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Or uh, let's say a new collector to contact you
and get a couple of tables for a show, or uh?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Is there a waiting list these days?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Usually a waiting list? But you know, the every every show,
you know, there'll be a dealer or two or three
that can't make it my regular dealers, you know, okay,
and you know sometimes that happens, and you know, get
I get on the phone and I call the folks
that are on the waiting list, you know, and they're
always happy to get in. So you know, there's I
(08:18):
would say never, say never, because never doesn't materialize. You
can get in from time to time. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Well, it sounds like this is pretty much a full
time job for you, right, I mean organizing this, going around,
trying to find these places, negotiating with these people, and
then you know, having dealers call up and say, hey,
I can't make it. You got to get a replacement.
So that's it sounds to me like it's a pretty
(08:48):
hefty job, right.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
It is. Sometimes they can be a bit taxing, you know,
but it's it's just what I love. I mean, I
started at ten years old than all my allowance buying records,
and it's never stopped.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
So you were a collector that just had too much
stuff too right Yep? Yeah, yep, I still have too
much stuff, Rod, So I may see you sooner than later.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, so do I I mean, holy cow, And I'm
trying to work and so I can get my get
my own space straightened up and get I mean I
have boxes of records in the floor, I have boxes
the record stacked off, and I have a and I
have a large space, and it's like, oh my god, man, why.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, yeah, No, I'm with it, you know, I am
with you.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Plus, I've got toys and cassettes and eight tracks and
forty fives. I used to take a little bit of everything.
But what what's the best what's the best course of
action there?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Rod? Is it better to just you know, stick to
one thing, like you know.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Like my but he and our friend Greg ALKI uh,
when I used to see him out at Beatlefest in Chicago,
I mean, it was nothing but beatles, right, and he
still kind of specializes in that. But if I were
to say, you know what's Greg's specialty, it's probably sealed
you know, albums. Everything is very pristine and mint. So
(10:21):
what's the better course? Is there any rhyme or reason
or is it just you know, the pick of.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
The day kind of the pick of the day, I guess.
I mean I've even started taking from time to time,
I'll take cassettes into the shows and always sell them,
you know, and CDs. CDs not so much anymore. People
(10:50):
are people into the vinyl again, you know, and I
love seeing that because there's no better way to listen
to something than on vinyl. None.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Well, I am going to debate you on that.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
A little bit because I am a collector and I
have fallen in love with my real to reel tapes.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Oh yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I mean if anybody, even my wife, will say, were
you listening to that on real to reel? Because it
just sounds thicker, you know, it sounds bigger from the
basement where I am down there. So there is a difference.
I think there is, you know. And they're hard to
find and they're expensive, so you know, yeah, and they're delicate,
(11:33):
and there.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Is a difference. They are good that the reels sound good.
I used to have one, yeah, and I played it
quite a bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
I love my real to reel tapes. But you know,
I've got everything. I've got eight tracks, like I said, cassettes, forty.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Fives, you know, and that.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
And like my buddy Frank Pettis, I think Frank does
your shows right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, Frank does, does the Metro Detroit show, so he.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Has always a wide variety of stuff. I bought eight
tracks from him. I bought rock photographs, so uh. It
is always cool to come in and see the different dealers,
the different setups and uh and what they have and
it gets competitive in there at times too. I mean
a lot of guys, you know, they have their set
(12:21):
prices and and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But I always dicker deal.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I know.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I always felt that if you're picking it up and
you're looking at it, I'm gonna try and sell it
to you, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, what are people buying these days?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Rod?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
What are you seeing people buy? Heavy metal? British Invasion, pop,
Taylor Swift records? What is it out there?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I believe or not. I do sell a lot of
Taylor Swift. Metal is always a big seller. I think
Floyd and Zeppelin are always big sellers. Oh yeah, you know,
and just the general rock stuff and the psych stuff.
And ann Arbor is a big jazz down Oh so
(13:08):
you know it's a jazz sells and ann Arbor pretty well,
we do forty five. Market isn't what it used to be,
but some of the dealers do bring forty fives. I myself,
I haul anywhere's between four thousand and forty five hundred
records to each show. Hmm, helpiece.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, let's let's suck ab out all the other work
you do and then you got to load in and
load out. Yes, forty five hundred records Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
YEP, that's quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I may not bring that really if I ever do
another show, I think, I think I'll bring you know,
what I can what I can carry in the back
of my suv.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's about it.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
But what was one of the most expensive items you've
ever sold?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Rod?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Probably the Rationals fan Club album. There was only four
of those ever pressed, and I managed to get my
hands on one of them, and uh uh, I ended
up I got in a bind. I had three houses.
I got married and I had a house. She had
(14:21):
a house, and then we had a house, and uh
it was getting a little bit tight, making three house
payments every month, and so I thought, well, all right,
this is it. And I knew someone that wanted to
buy it, and I said, come in and make me
an offer. Let's talk about it. And I ended up
(14:43):
getting three thousand in cash and about five thousand in
trade out of that record.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Wow, that was just It's got Morgan in the raft. YEP.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
By the way, it was the fan Club album.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
One of my Detroit rock bands of all time. It
was actually Rod, the very first rock artist I ever
saw at Team club night at Saint Matthew's on the
east Side. So Scott Morgan has a special place in
my heart as it is.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But ten thousand bucks for a record, wow, yep.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
And Scott he's just a phenomenal guy, he really is.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I wonder if who ever bought it got it signed
by Scott.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I mean, I know he'd sign it, but no.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I went to Scott and asked to put it out.
You know, I wanted to do a CD of it,
and I had three unreleased ascetates, so there's also and
you know, he says, well, you know you're gonna have
to go and talk to the guy that deals with Daddy,
goes if are you I just put it out?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, the slap on the wrist in the ten thousand
dollars fine later I don't know, but but yeah, No,
there's always somebody who has rights to something, don't they
I put out here At WLLZ, we collectively put out
two albums in twenty two and twenty three of local music,
(16:20):
and it was like pulling teeth to get some of
these songs on the album. And you know, we weren't
expecting to make a whole lot of money. We didn't
print a lot of them, you know. But it was
just a matter of getting them out there, you know.
And some guys were into it, some weren't. But it
was good to do that project and get some good
(16:43):
stuff out there like that.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And yeah, I mean I did. I did three different
CDs of Michigan garage stuff. It was just garage compilation.
And still the disks, I mean I filled them and numb,
you know, they're they're hanging around out there.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Got a few of those, I think I do.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, well, I'm excited for this upcoming show.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It's this Sunday, Farmington and seven Mile Road. Now do
you have food and drinks and stuff like that?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You can have drinks. They don't have food right now,
but I want to I want to make sure it's
it's the Monahan Banquet Center. Okay, it is an Elks lodge,
but it's the signage out front is Monahan's Banquet Center.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So that's that's good to know.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It was. Actually it's the k of C, notw the Elks.
That was a k C.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
All right, listen, good luck with this show.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
But we have to keep our our radar up and
continue to look for something just a little closer to
you know.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
The Royal Oak Troy. Uh, you know, Sterling Heights area.
Somewhere in there, there's got.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
To be a space, maybe someone and we'll hear this
podcast and coming forward with.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
A place. I know there was that VFW hall.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I don't know if it's a VFW, but a hall
in downtown Utica.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
That a good space for a record show.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I always thought that anyway, But I've never been inside
to see how large it is, so I don't.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Know, right, yeah, I mean, you know, I'll never say no,
you know, I mean I'll never say never, right, you
just never know.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
So what's the cost to get in?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
The early admission begins at eight o'clock and that's fifteen
dollars to get in. Ten o'clock admission is three dollars.
Oh and under eighteen or free?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Oh okay, wow, oh well that's a good deal.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yeah, the early guys, I think I remember that as
I'd be setting up, you know, I'd have this dude
standing there all already picking through my stuff. And then
you know, I made a few sales, so I was
okay with it.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I tell the dealers all the time, guys, you know,
loading begins at seven o'clock. Get here, you're missing the
serious buyer crowd.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Well yeah, if you're paying to come in, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yep, yep. If you're doing that, you're there for a
reason and you're a serious buyer, you know. And I'm
not saying that the serious buyer waits until it's three
dollars either, they do, you know, but you just you really,
the guys like to come in at eight o'clock, the
early birds, and get first picked through everybody's new stock.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, I'm going to have to remember that for sure.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Well, Rod, listen, it was great talking to you about,
you know, these record shows. It's certainly a passion of mine.
I know of yours and and so many of my friends.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
My boss actually, Casey said yeah, tell them to find something.
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
I used to go to that closs and show all
the time. So all of us around here are freaks
for vinyl, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
So all right, Well you've covered every base, brother, and
that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Good luck, congratulations, and you know what, from all of
us who are vinyl freaks collectors, thank you so much
for doing this because it's a lot of work. You
don't have to, you know, you could just set up
yourself to somebody else's show, but you tend to take
it on and put them up all around town.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
You know you're doing a service and it's a good one.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Well. Thanks, I appreciate it. It is work, but show, but
it's a work of passion. I mean, I've been a
record collector all my life and it's just something that
I really like to do.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
All right, Well, is there a website that people can
keep up with your shows on?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
We have a Facebook page for each and every show.
For this one's Metro Detroit Record Show. We have an
all known for ann Arbor Record Show. Its same for
Kalamazoo Lancing. All right, absolutely hit the hit those Facebook
pages like it. We'll invite you to follow it and
I'll get you to keep track of all the shows.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
All right.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well this Sunday Farmington seven mile round to get over there.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And yeah, definitely all right.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Rod Well, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Rod Bram from one of the one of the main
organizers of record shows in Detroit, and we salute you brother,
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate it.
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