Global Poo Etiquette (And Other Deep Life Lessons) | Patrick Bonello - 894 - Roll With The Punches

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're talking to Patrick Baronello.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
He's a regular guest on the show and we are
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It's a fun chat that always is. I love talking
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Speaker 1 (01:28):
Patrick Bonnillo, welcome to Roll with the Punches.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Hate if it's so nice to see you.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I mean, I feel like this is a really good
time to chat because we've just done a previous podcast.
But you know, it's there's another bloke that gets in
the way of it. Intert me it is his show,
I guess, but I just feel like, you know, I
see you sitting in my little chat window and you
don't stay an awful lot, but I see you there,

(01:53):
and then when I get a chance to jump in
on your show, I feel like I've got your undivided detention,
and it feels so much more intimate and fun like
we're hanging out as buddies.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
It's so funny because we literally hang up from a
call and talking for an hour. I hang up log
into a new zoom Oh went and got myself a
little coffee from the kitchen, not from the cafe, and
then I'm like, oh, how are you?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
And I'm like, what a weird thing to say.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
You've just been talking to Patrick for an hour, But
I haven't because it's different.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
It's weird, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
It is different, and we kind of tell things that
we probably don't normally talk about. And you know how
I slipped in today and I felt that the previous
podcast was just the warm up to this.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Podcast, and tell us elaborate more on the sleeping in process,
because that was going somewhere fun.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Okay, So I stayed at a friend's place last night,
and it may be somebody that we both know, and
I know, look, it's funny when you've stayed someone's the
place for the first time.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
And it was a really hot day.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
And I got over there and we were sitting downstairs
and I know you know the house because I know
you've been there as well. And then we went upstairs
and he's got two air conditioners, right, but he hadn't
turned them on, and so it was stiflingly hot. I mean,
I get up and it say, oh, this is really warm,
and I want to go to bed, and I go
into the spare room.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's like, oh, I can just crank the window open.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
And I don't open that window because it looks straight
over the neighbor's house and you know, see he can't
open the window. I'm thinking, well, how am I going
to get air and oxygen to survive. I'm a person
who has to have their window open. Did you have
to sleep with the window open?

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I haven't cracked open yet, But well, I.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Live in the country, so I don't get all the
traffic noises. What I like to hear is the bird noises,
and I just I And because I have a window
right over my bed at nighttime, even on a hot night,
you get a light breeze and it feels just great,
you know, the little gusts.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Of wind that kind of blow through. So for me,
I love that.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
And going into a room without a window that you
can open is almost psychologically struggling. So yeah, I go
into this stiflingly hot room and I can't open window.
None of the air conditioners are on, and you don't.
And the thing is, there's no air conditioner in the
room anyway, So I guess you'd have to have turned
the air in the office.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
And hope that the air would flow through the room.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
But then you'd have to open the door. And I
can't sleep with the door open.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Oh god, I can't.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Be out of sorts.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
I sound like a bit of a princess because then
and then and the pillows were too high, so I
felt like I was sleeping with my head at ninety
degrees for the whole night.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
So hang on, was this last night?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah? It was last night and before so before.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Because you're telling me that you woke up five minutes
before the podcast, but then I'm going hang on them
and you weren't at your house.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
But it's funny.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
I shouldn't bitch because someone very kindly took me in
as a wake off the street. I had no fixed
a dress for the night, and they took me and
let me stay at their house and they gave me
a measured cup of almonds, of toasted almonds, and a
cup of tea.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's so true, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
The person we're talking about, that's what they're going to
offer you your rock up and it's like of almonds,
it wasn't measured, fifty grand toasted, so nice, and a
selection of teas.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
I had a green tea, which is nice to go
to bed with.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's super fun and lovely conversation. That's the caffeine. A
bit of caffeine in that green tea before bed.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I had you sleep.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Oh well, not well obviously, nowhere condition green tea, plenty,
pillows that were too big, all that I had to
stay closed.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
You were telling me I was more interested in enlightening
the audience with your this morning's pre sleeping and free
podcast preparation.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Absolutely so, I very.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Rarely sleep in, and in fact I never sleep in,
and normally I go to bed and five hours later,
almost to the time to the actual exact five hours,
I wake up and then at that point I either.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Try to psych myself into going back to sleep. So
we're talking, I wake up at one or two am
in the morning, depending on what time I go to sleep,
and then I try to get back into the zone.
And what I've.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Discovered is if I concentrate on my previous because I
dream a lot, I have lots of dreams, which I
love because I have so many adventures in.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
My dream I love dreaming.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
And the more you focus on dreaming, and I think
this is actually recognized, the more you think about dreaming,
or if you write them down and acknowledge them, the
more you'll remember them. So people who say that I
don't dream, try to focus on the first thing you
remember when you wake up, and then your mind kind
of flicks over into a mode that recognizes that you're
trying to remember the dreams. So if I try to

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remember my previous dreams of the last five hours, I
can go back to sleep again. So that's my insomnia
way of going.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Back to sleep. But if I think about the day.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
What's coming up the next day, all the things I
have to do, worst possible thing and even worse than that,
is doom scrolling. But the other thing I've discovered recently
is so I put on my audio book, I can
set it for blocks of either five, ten, fifteen minutes.
I find that I can go to sleep to that
as well. But what I did the other night in
the you know, the hard pillow hot house with no

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windows and doors, what.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Happened was I kept a prison. Well it should bedroom
doors have locks on the outside.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Maybe if you're on the inside, maybe it's the safest
way to be, oh dear.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
But what I did was I forgot to set the
timer on my podcast, and then when on my podcast,
I was listening to an audiobook and I went back
to sleep, and then obviously I fell asleep after five minutes,
and in the morning and the book's gone like for
four hours. Like shit, Now I'm going to keep tracking
back to work out where I was. But so short
of it is, I had not the best night sleep

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the previous night, and then last night went to bed,
got up early, but then managed to go back to
bed because I did my whole focus on dream thing,
which is my new technique for getting back to sleep,
and I just had a whole array of dreams and
I woke up and I thought, I'm feeling so refreshed.
And then I look at the time and it's quarter two,
and it's like shit, I've got two podcasts back to back.

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I've got to talk for two hours, and oh man,
what are you Okay, I've got things I need to do.
I've got to prioritize. So you go into mad panic
priority mode. So what's the most important thing you work
back for me?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Right?

Speaker 4 (08:31):
So mentally I think, okay, So I've got to go
down to the studio space. I've got to turn on
the computer, get the camera working because it's been playing up.
I've got to make sure the audio is working, turn
on all the equipment. Now I know that's going to
take me about three and a half minutes. I've then
got to also send a copy of all my notes,
which I haven't already sent, so that's got to go
to the other person we were talking about, and I've

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got to do that, and that's going to take me
at least two minutes. I've got to boot up the
computer first, then I can send the notes. So this
is about six and a half minutes of work I've
got to do before I log into zoom. Now Zoom
is going to take me a minute to find the link,
so that's seven minutes. And now I've only got right,
eight minutes to decide. Okay, I've got to put clothes

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on because I'm standing in my room with the jocks,
and I've got to put clothes on and get ready,
and that's probably a two minute thing for me to
stumble around because it's dark. So now I've added two
minutes to my seven minutes. That's nine minutes. So now
I've got six minutes to decide. I really need to
go to the bathroom, but I don't have time to
do a number two. I've only got so for a

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number one, So I've got a triage here. This is
what goes through my head, is this a scary thing
tip the natural normal people actually think this shit up
when they're running late.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
I think they do.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
What's hilarious is I've kind of pooh shamed you a
little bit, so I didn't give you time for pooh.
But between podcasts I said, when where we saw enough
from Harps? I said, I'll send you a link. I'm
just got to go have a Wii, which was a
lie because I needed to go poo.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
And then I went.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
As I went on my mission, I thought, now I
have just dogged myself in for a Wii.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Is this going to be a smooth.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Sailing expedition where I can get this out in a
timely manner? As you can tell, very efficient. Came back
in no time and only up to it as we speak.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
The secret to a quick pooh is don't take your
photed with you.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Just get the task done. Stay focused, Stay focused.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Do you I'm going to ask some ridiculous questions if so.
Years ago.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
When I went to China for the first time, I
went into a bit of a panic because I thought,
I don't know how to use a squat toilet, and
I know we're going to be traveling through some rural areas,
and we're going to be in public places where I'm
going to need to go to the toilet. And I'm
a pretty regular person, so I like to do my
poo in the morning and then I'm okay for the

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rest of the day. But what if I get stuck
somewhere in some backstreet of I don't know, Beijing and
I need to go to the toilet and it's a squat.
So I went onto YouTube and learnt how to squat.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
I had to.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
So there's youtubes on how to go to Asian countries
and when happens. Do you know how to use a
squat toilet? If you ever use a squat?

Speaker 2 (11:25):
No?

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Okay, Gary, Like I don't even know which direction to
face him. And the other thing is Asian people are
really amazing at squatting down because we tend to stand
on to kind of when we squat down, we use
our toes and we don't flatten our feet. It's very
hard to get into a position that's comfortable for a
Westerner average Westerners and be comfortable in that squatting position

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without putting pressure on your toes, whereas a lot of
Asian people that I know, and obviously when you go
through Asia and China, because they've been squatting, they can
flatten their feet perfectly well and balance and be able
to use a squat toilet. So these are things that
I think about before I traveled the China, and I
was really quite nervous about using squat toilet. So I

(12:09):
jumped onto a YouTube and there's this guy who had
lived in China and he's giving you directions on how
to squat out a squat toilet. So I was doing
squat practicate practice before I left. And then in my
deep dive of using Google to use squats, I suddenly
stumble across some information that says using a squat toilet
is much better for bowel movements because it orients your

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bow much better because your legs in are a better
position and your whole body isn't. So when we sit down,
our bow was kinked. And so if you sit on
a normal toilet with your feet in the normal position,
it's actually not the best position to go to the toilet.
So I then invested in it. I found out there's
a little.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Stool that you can put squatty body.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Squatty potty, said, I use a squatty potty.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Well, I think it's a good So recently one of
my I take it one fitness class a week and
at PCYIC and one of my clients we were training.
He's Asian and we were training the other day and
I was like, Joe, your squat is amazing low Jo
gits and He's just like, Yeah, I'm Asian, squat like

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this on the toilet every days. I spend five minutes
on the toilet like this every morning. And I'm like,
that is so good. That is so good for your body,
like his mobility. Yeah, So I'm thinking of I might
get a squatty body. We've talked about it a few times.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
It's a big investment. It's a great investment. Bugger all
that don't cost a lot. And I use it every
day because and then when you go somewhere and you
have and you don't have one, you're looking at where
you can hook your legs up to try to get
into the same position.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
I've done that before. I'm thinking, what can I put
my feet on to get my legs up so that
I can squat better.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Ah, I've plugged it into Google as we speak. I'm
gonna get I'm going to look, there's one for sixteen
dollars there from COGD.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm going to grab that. I as I was.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Thinking about I think about toileting overseas.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
I've never used the bidet.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I've never used the washing system, and oh yep, I'm
equally torn. Like when I think of comparing both to cleanliness,
the fact of just dragging dry toilet paper over an
unclean area seems pretty rank.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
There was a French influencer, yeah, a French influencer who
was saying that bidets are then absolute must have to
be used. And she basically said, if you had to
pick up a piece of feces on the ground with
your hand, right, would you just use paper to clean it?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah? Yeah, it's gross.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Of course you wouldn't even a good thorough washing. And
that's what you're saying every time you go to the toilet.
That's why because in Europe. This is a funny story.
TIF when I went to Europe for the first time.
My parents are from Malta, and when I went to
Europe for the first time, I would have been I
think I was eleven and I turned twelve.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I went for six weeks.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
It was one of the most amazing adventures of my
life because for me as a young kid, it's probably
still my most vivid memories because it was a big
adventure flying on a plane for the first time.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
It was an.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Alataria jumbo jet that I reckon, struggled to get off
the ground. The engines went into turbo charge mode, and
it was a big adventure for me as a kid
to fly over there. And the first I get out
of the airport and I'm busting, like I'm gonna wet myself, bustin' right,
because I've always had this thing as a kid, hated
to go into public toilets. I just hated going to

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public toilets. So anyway, I get to my Auntie's house
and I go upstairs. I said, I need to go
to the toilet. I go upstairs and there are two
toilets to what is an eleven year old kid. So
there's a big day on one side and a normal
toilet on the other side, and thinking which one do
I use?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Is one for poo in one for poo?

Speaker 4 (15:57):
Well, I was too embarrassed to ask which to toilet
to use, and so I kind of go to the
bidet and I turned the velve and this is jet
of water that squirts up. It's like, Git, don't want
to go near that one, so I go to the
other toilet. So but but I've got friends now who
swear by them and are retrofitting their toilets. You can

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go to Bunnings and buy a bidet to put onto
your toilet, and you don't even I think you. You
still need to plumme it in obviously, and you need
a PowerPoint to plug it in.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
But friends of mine swear by them for the cleanliness.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah, but still like just hosing yourself to hosing yourself.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Down, You're still not really you know, like this is
that effect.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Okay, I've got to have those.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I'm a toilet white girl. I like to have yes,
you know the toilet. Yeah, that's the only way for me.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Now, I save you some money, yes, okay.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
So I had a dermatologist who said to me once,
rather than using those wipes, you can get a non
so kind of cleaning thing. I think set of Fill
is one of the brands. So it's no fragrance, no soap,
and it's a cleaning It's for people who have problems
with the dermatological problems. So they might have rashes and
stuff like this. And because it's quite a pH neutral soap,

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it means you can use it. But if you just
fold the paper in fours and you use this thing,
then you don't have to use the wipes. You just
consist a large tub lasts forever and you get a
whole year out of it or something, and it's just wipes.
Set of phil ct A p h I L And
it's a set of pil clean.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah. Yeah, I can send you a picture of the
one that I ease.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I've got a lot of things in my.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
And believe it or not, Tiff, I have a small
bottle that I take with me when I go away places.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
That is so hard because there's nothing worse than being
somewhere I am.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
This is getting really kind of hygienic here.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
But what I do is I get two pieces and
then you've got to get two pieces of paper because
one's too thin, and you go through it and then
I folded in fours so you get this extra layer
of thickness, put a little squirt on it, and then
you do that for you so you do the dry
wipe that you did the wet wipe.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's so interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
When I was in India, obviously they have their own methods.
And I remember I was when we were eating somewhere
and talking about them eating with one hand. I can't
remember I left or right because they toilet with the
other hand, and it's I was just like, I can't,

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just like, I can't just use that one hand when
I'm eating, But I really want to if anyone glances
at me, I just want to out loud say I
haven't touched my poo with the other hand, like I
want to clarify that I'm not using that.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
And that's a lot of the Middle Eastern countries as well,
and I think that's because of the dry temperature and
all that sort of stuff. But yeah, you have one
hand for cleanliness, and it makes perfect sense that culturally
you use.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
One hand and I don't even know which one it is.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
You use one hand for wiping in one hand for eating,
And it does make a lot of sense if you
don't have proper hygienic practices for whatever reason, may be
because you don't have a lot of water, you're in
a desert region, and you use one hand to eat
with in the other hand. But yeah, but then because
in some countries it's quite acceptable to use your hands
to eat.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
With, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, But then I just think in my mind, I'm like, oh,
then I just associate, well, that other hand is just
covered in pooh?

Speaker 1 (19:27):
What are we touching with that? Is that just is that?
If it's too we can't touch our food with it?
Then how dirty is that hand?

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah? And which handy you used to pick your nose with?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
All right, well how did we end upy?

Speaker 4 (19:44):
I don't know, as me sleeping in Sorry, sorry to
everybody who listens to this podcast.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Think I might name the show.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
I might name this episode Global poo Etiquette.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Well, there must be lots, and thank God for toilet paper,
because otherwise we're using dried leaves and moss.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I remember going in two years ago when I went
to Vietnam and did our cycling tour, and we were
cycling around and one of the ladies partway through obviously
different food over there, and she had a bit of
an upset tummy and we had no toilet. She's like,
because anyone got any tissues or anything, because I need

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to I need to go.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I've got an upset tummy and nobody did.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
So then when we had to stop and wait for her,
you've just got that thought of like what is.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Going on with that? Like how is that playing out
for you?

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Well, I think everybody has a Pooh story that causes
you to cringe. A girlfriend of mine who I absolutely adore,
one of my tai chi sisters because when you do
tai chi, it's funny. The first time I went to
China to do tai chi, you suddenly realize the language
they use is the tai chief family. So if you

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like you have a tai chi brother, and the connection
with some people is almost familial and even more than familial.
So if you're part of a tai chi group, and
it's a bit similar to say a dojo, if you
were in a karate group, but the relationship between the
members is thought of as a family in a real sense.
So if you're an elder sister or you're a brother,
or in the thai chif family, you're accepted instantly. And

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because we have a tai Chiese school that we're affiliated
with in China, it's amazing feeling. It's a really special
feeling because you're absolutely a brother or a sister of
that family. So one of my Tai Chiese sisters who's
here in Australia, and we went to China and we
were walking along the Great Wall, and there are some
parts of the Great Wall of China that are very

(21:48):
tourist oriented, so they even have little toilets like the
order potty toilets, the portaloos or whatever. And this friend
of mine was in the same situation as your girlfriend
who went writing with had real stomach problems. But so
she's she's disappeared from our group and no one noticed,
and I thought, oh, where's that person. I'm not going

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to say her name, where is she? And I'm looking around,
I'm thinking, oh, I'm concerned here. We're on the Great
Wall of China and I can't find her. And then eventually,
twenty minutes later, we find her. And so she's gone
into one of these toilets, but she's.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Just absolutely had difficulties and anyway, and so she's then
tried to clean it up.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
These toilets are monitored by people's staff to make sure
they're always clean. Anyway, so she gets out and go
embarrassingly has tried to clean it up as much as
she could, but she can feeling sick and the guy
starts chasing her, what have you done with my toilet?

Speaker 3 (22:45):
In Jarna.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
She's so humiliated, the poor thing, and this guy's chasing
after her, like it's like, look, you've done my toilet.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Oh my god, so adding insults injury.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
I know because I know what you would have tried
to have cleaned up because you take your toilet paper
with you. That's the other thing. A lot of toilets
don't have toilet paper. Oh wow, you have to take
your supply with you. Yeah, that happens as well, So
you're going to make sure you've got enough toilet paper
with you.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
I feel so yeah, much shame for her.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I know, I felt so sorry for her. We do.
We died on that. We don't literally die on that story.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
That sounds gross, but we talk about that story a
lot my friends and I oh out.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
What was I thinking before? Well, like the idea of how.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Circumstances connect us, like when you talk about tai chi
and people, and it reminded made me think of when
I was in India and how you're in like one
of the busiest, most populated places ever where. Upon going
over there, I felt quite.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
I guess I was a little bit scared.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I was a little bit like people had told me
stories and I didn't feel like it was going to
be very safe for welcoming for me, and it was
quite the opposite. And how on the plane from Kulu
back to Delhi, I was sitting in front in next
to one guy from South India and his friends behind,

(24:26):
and once we started talking and he was sharing all
the places that I should go, and ends up telling
me if I come back and I want to go
to South India, that he would him and his wife
and his mother would accommodate me and cook for me
and show me these places that I simply have to go.
And I just remember thinking how in such a busy place,

(24:49):
for no reason, they give you this sense of belonging
and real care. And I was thinking of how we
seek that and find how special it is. I just
started a new hobby which I haven't told you about. Yeah,
I'm a pianist. Really, yeah, I went out and bought

(25:11):
a piano. And part of the reasoning like I wanted
a new hobby and a new thing and a new experience.
But also a big part of that decision making or
looking for something was, what's what's a thing that's not
like me and not like any of the people that
I spend my time with. Now, what's something that can

(25:31):
break me into a new whatever it might be. And
it's interesting because as soon as I have conversations with people,
you're connecting over something completely different, and it's like, oh
you oh a piano. You play piano, and it strengthens
the bond.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, yeah, that sense of connectedness. So did you what
type of piano did you buy?

Speaker 3 (25:52):
What?

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I bought a digital piano. It's called roll in FP ten.
I did my research. This played out in a probably
a twelve hour period.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I watched a movie.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
I had my first Saturday off, so I don't think
I've had a day. I was been a seven day
week chronic worker for years now, and I decided, after
coming back from Tazzy, a full day off on a
weekend and also a full week day to work specifically
on other parts of my business, not training and coaching people.

(26:26):
My attentions to split. So first Saturday off, had a
great day. Decided to watch Netflix that night, watch a
movie called Whiplash.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Have you seen it?

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Oh Whiplash?

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeare of the drama?

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, it's pretty intense in one of a lot of boards, didn't.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
It I don't even know. I just I didn't even
realize it was a popular movie.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
I think it is phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
By the end of that, I was like, there was
there was this the music teacher who was quite brutal, obviously,
but I guess that to a agree. That training philosophy
reminded me of my boxing coach and that dedication. And
I think by the end of it, I started decided,
I'm going I'm gonna buy a keyboard tomorrow. I would

(27:11):
just go and get one up the road for fifty bucks.
Then I went on down the rabbit hole of research.
Thanks chat GPT, because you can learn a lot a
lot of things that you don't know on that And
by the next morning I ducked out and bought myself
a digital piano.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Oh and they can do so much.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
They can emulate, they can the sounds are phenomenal and
it's a really good brand. Even me, who knows nothing
about them, knows the brand. Roland And have you ever
done music before? Did you get did you learn any
music at school? Have you ever played an instrument? No?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
I remember in high school choosing the piano. But I
was not a very applied student in high school, and
I didn't actually learn it, like I probably learned, like
obviously learned a bit of music, but I zero that
I could retain. So I look at the piano. I

(28:01):
don't know how to play it. I don't know how
to read music. I don't know how to so I'm
starting from absolute ground zero, which I love.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Yeah, and are you going to try to learn how
to read music as well and apply that to playing
so you've gotten down the proper educational path because there
is some very talented people who are able to play
by sound and can play a whole song without actually
reading music, which does my head in as well.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, I would like to learn to read musical I
want my first official lesson on Saturday this week.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
And I've just been I've been using an app and
I just found a new app that is very good
that I just started trying the last couple of days.
It has a music teacher and goes through a lot
of that stuff. So I'll do both ways. But yeah,
I really wanted to learn properly and learn. I treat
it like boxing, and boxing's come in so handy for

(28:54):
this because in the middle of doing something you know
nothing about and being shit at it, it's like, Okay,
just have to keep punching away at the keys, even
though it sounds ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Because it's too hard.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
I just keep throwing this left hook at the at
the c cord and eventually it will sound good.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Funny how those skills, though, that make you good at
boxing are exactly the same type of focal skills that
you apply to learning and something new, like learning how
to play a piano.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
The first thing I recall vividly after my first fight,
So I had this, I did this fight. It was
a twelve week experience it and it changed me. And
I remember getting changed after the event, standing in my
little yellow frock with a glass of wine in my hand,
watching the fights that fights after me, and I remember

(29:46):
thinking to myself, Oh, this is every goal you have
in life. You just put twelve weeks of constant and
intense disco like changing everything for this six minutes in
the boxing ring. That means a lot to you, but

(30:08):
that doesn't mean anything to all of these people here
supporting you. So it was just this lesson in goals.
What matters what work is required and what level of
discomfort for what ratio of a moment of meaning, And
so that really end the idea that I think. I
was very fixed mindset before that. And one of the

(30:30):
things I remember is going you can actually learn anything.
You don't have to wait to be told you good
at it. So if I wanted to which I'm terrible,
I can't hold a note. But I remember thinking to
myself at the time, if you wanted to learn to sing,
you could just learn to sing. You don't have to
be a good singer, because someone will teach you, just
like that they did with boxing.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
So is that funny? Because when COVID was on and
people started baking bread and learning how to dox sour dough,
I actually decided to do singing lessons. Did you always
wanted to sing? And I never had done it at school?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
I think in year year ten we may have had
a choir for one term or two terms, But.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I'd always wanted to learn to sing, and I just
never got round to it.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
And so that was my COVID new skill that I developed,
and then I joined a choir recently.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
So we're actually singing at.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
A festival called kraz Fest coming up in Creswick in
Regional Victoria, and there's the Bland Autumn Festival. We're going
to do some singing there as well, and there's a
few songs I've got to learn though, because I'm terrible
at remembering all the vocalers, so I've got to get
my head into that. But we're doing lots of little
songs and lots of little bits and pieces.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
But yeah, it's great. And I didn't.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Realize this, but I've got a really good vocal range
and I don't know if you know how.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I still don't know it fully, but have you heard
the term falsetto?

Speaker 4 (31:52):
When I have heard that, I can sing falsetto right well,
really deep range as well.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
The only reason ILL with that term is because I'm
currently reading John Farnam's biography and talk about his faults voice.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yeah, yeah, so men who can sing at that high range.
It's amazing when you hear a vocalist who can do that.
And it's a skill like anything. As you know, you
know you're going to take time to practice. So Tuesday
nights is our choir practice night. We do ninety minutes
and we do warm ups and things like that, and
it's a.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
But the other thing is, it's really quite an interesting
thing that I was reading recently that attending and going
to a choir has an amazing connectedness with people when
you sing together with people, even as opposed. You know,
people have coffee groups and hangout groups and whatever, you know,
to go to the gym together. But there's something about
singing that is a really lovely communal thing. And yeah,

(32:49):
I kind of read this article after I joined the
choir and thought, oh, yeah, that's really cool that. You know,
I know I'm getting something out of this. You're getting
new skills, but there's also a sense of almost elation
when you're singing with someone and you're putting your voice
out there. So I've got a real lot out of
doing that. I really enjoyed it, and hopefully the music
will be the same for you.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
That doesn't surprise me, especially with the singing that because
you're creating a resonance and you're expressing, which I think,
even just metaphorically for me, the power of expression, Like
I would love to be able to sing, and but
starting i'd be starting from a real awkward place with that,

(33:32):
Like I am not I lip sync Happy birthday, you know, like,
I'm pretty bad. So you know, what I'd love to
think is that I'm starting to understand music and with
my ears, because I don't even have that, Like, I
don't have any aptitude with music at all, aside from

(33:54):
just listening to song and going, oh, I like it
or I don't. So I'm I'm interested to see how
much relationship with understanding the sound of music as I'm
playing it starts to make sense, and whether or not
any of that translates into what you sound like.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
You hear the term tone deaf and when you wonder
whether that can be trained out of you.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Someone said recently, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
They must have been talking about singing, and they said
that nobody's tone deaf.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
And I'm like, mate, wait till your birthday. I'll come
around and prove you wrong.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
If you're jumping out of a cake, it won't matter
what you sound like.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
But it's the idea. And this applies to every topic.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
And I used and I eventually have to apply it
to music as well. You go, like, anything that I
don't understand is stuff that I've never paid attention to
the learning process, and for me, that was quite a
few things.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
At school.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Like I was, I would pick things up very quickly.
Some of my teachers hated me because I was not
hated me, but frustrated with me because I'd pay zero atten.
But I picked it like maths class, just the most
disruptive little fuck in the class, always getting sat outside
on a bloody desk because it was like shut up.
But then we'd do exams or we'd do tests and

(35:11):
I'd be a plus and I'll be finished in not time,
and they're like, you don't even deserve these marks.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
At the end of view twelve, my biology teacher took
me aside and he said to me, he said, you know,
you had the potential to be the best biology student
I've ever had, said if you would put the effort in.
And I said, but I've got a's And he said, yeah,
I know, but you could have tried harder.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
It came so naturally to me. I just absorbed.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I think I've always been interested in tech and biology
and how things work, whether it's on a biological scale
or a technological scale. You know, I made friends before
I went to primary school. I made friends with the rubbishmen,
you know, the guys that collected the rubbish pets in
those days, they would hand throw the rubbish into the

(35:58):
rubbish bins and and I made friends with them, and
I'd wait at the gate and they would give me
toys and stuff that people had thrown away, and it
would take them apart. And I vividly remember one day
Mum inviting one of the rubbishmen in because I turned
an old broken toy. I had a motor with a
propeller on the top, and I'd made a helicopter and
connected a battery.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
And that was before.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Primary school, so it would have been pre primary school,
so I would have been what five four and a
half or something, And so I was one of those
kids that just loved to take things apart con so
I had to know how it worked. And I think
I've told this on I'm not sure if I've told
it on your podcast, But do you remember the first time,
and you're not old enough, probably I remember our first

(36:40):
video recorder. It was an Achi video recorder, and they
were so expensive people had to save up so much.
Was over one thousand dollars, and we're talking one thousand
dollars in the early eighties, right, So really really really expensive,
and so Mum and dad and we were working class.
You know, Dad worked at a factory, Mum had a
job cleaning at night. So it was very very working

(37:02):
class Coburg. And they'd invested in this Achi video recorder
because everybody was getting them in video libraries were starting
to open up, and you know, everybody had to get
a video recorder.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
So you could go and hire a video and that
was the big thing.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
And so Mum and Dad bought this thing with They
had it for a week and it was Saturday morning
and they were about to drive off to go do
the shopping, and I'm looking at it, and for the
whole week I'm looking at it. It's looking at me,
and it's like, I need to take you apart. I
have to take you apart. I can't sit there and
look at you and watch the cassette go in and

(37:36):
not know how it works.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
So for the whole week.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Before this, I'm thinking, I have to take the cover off,
I have to look inside.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
This is a burning desire that I've here.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
So anyway, Mum and Dad pull out of the driveway,
I'm home by myself, and I reach for the screwdriver
and I start unscrewing all the screws on this over
one thousand dollars AI video recorder. So I'm standing there
with all the screws in my hand, the cover off,
and Mum and Dad pulled back into the driveway. Mum's
left her purse at home, so shit, So I throw

(38:11):
all the screws in my pocket and just loosely put
the cover back on the video recorder and try to
act innocent, because of course they're going to know. You know,
you've got some guilty look on your face. Anyway, they
come back and they, you know, Mum gets her purse,
and then they drive off again. And so yeah, I
take the cover off and I'm looking at it and
I'm thinking, oh yeah, the tape goes here and it
extends over the playhead and I I had to, I

(38:33):
just I had to see how it worked. It was
and I did put it back together again, and there's
always one extra screw.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
I don't know how that works. I put it together
and it's like I put all the screwsy in, but
I've still got this one screw. Maybe they just build
this shit.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
With it and it was a spare. I just found
this s where the spare.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
One for the whole of my life. With most stuff
I took apart, there was always an extra screw. Anyway,
I put it back together again, and you know, thank goodness,
worked and it still worked. And then years and years
and years later they upgraded their video recorder and I
moved out of home and they gave me the old
Aki and I think I had it for a few
years before it eventually died.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
But yep, so first week I take it apart, put
it back together again.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I remember when I was seventeen, I had my first motorbike,
which was a z z R two point fifty. I
remember getting that out in my driveway and pulling it
apart and pulling my plugs out and just playing with stuff.
Same with my car. I had a Hyundai Xcel. Doesn't
sound cool, it was very cool. I ended up getting
mirror tinted blue windows all over it and did not

(39:39):
get booked for years until I moved to Melbourne and
parked it at the train station and then bang, but
I pulled the wheels off that I painted the drums myself,
like I just I was such a little I'm going
to watch this all about I'm going to do it.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
It's two things I'm impressed with. One is that you
took everything apart and you were able to put it
all back together. That again.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
But the other thing I was impressed with was he
actually pronounced the word correctly.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Hyunda.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
One peras it words says it correctly. If you've noticed
that people don't pronounce it Hyundai. They said they hi Yundai.
Oh yeah, that sort of stuff, because when they first
marketed in Australia, it was say high to hi Yundai.
But the actually is not how they pronounced the name.
So they had this whole marketing campaign incorrectly pronouncing the
name of their company. And then later because I was

(40:26):
working in radio, I was doing voiceovers and I had
to do an ad and so I learned how to
pronounce it because it was Hyundai, and that's what they
Eventually their marketing went to Hyundai. But even now I
find I reckon fifty percent of people don't know how
to say Hyundai.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Do you know what's funny? When you said that.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
As you were talking, I'm thinking if you would have
put that word in front of me and said how
do you pronounce this?

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I probably would have hesitated.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Not known the other day on a podcast, Harps pulled
me up twice and then I think I said it
another three times jokingly, But I've been using a word
doesn't exist and I didn't even know. And when he
said it, I was like, Oh, did I say that?

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
I think I do say that, but I can't recall.
I'm like, that's not a word, though. It's weird how
we pick the word was happening, so I'm saying instead
of saying I having to do something, I'm going happening.
And I'm like, well, obviously someone says that. But when
I remember a few couple of years into the podcast,

(41:28):
I was editing one of my episodes and I'd use
this word. I'm like, what like an academic word of
some description that I've obviously picked up along the way,
and I googled it. I'm like, oh my god, I
better google and see I've used that correctly. And I like,
language is amazing how we pick up and evolve and
understand things. But in hearing it so in conversation, I

(41:49):
obviously was confident I knew it. I knew I was
but then when I've picked it up, I go, I've
better look up this word where if I learned it
when happening has one has slipped through the cracks on
it classic.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
So you've made up a word. Well, he use a
word now if you're.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Using it, I would say somebody's using because I'd be
mimicking it. Someone would I would use it, and I
just use it because of that.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
I'm thinking probably my mum.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
I think sometimes we use tazzy bloody, yeah, Bogan tazzy.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
We had lots of words that didn't exist.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
You know what a you know, a dandylion is, m Yeah,
well we didn't call them dandylions, you know, we called
them when we were growing up.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Well did he Dong's?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
What the fuck did that word come to?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Dong?

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Like? Yeah, So I remember someone saying to me, you know,
you know, name what this is, and it's like, I
don't know it's a dinny dong.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
It's like it's a dandylion. It's like I was an adult.
I didn't know what the word was.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
I didn't know what a dandylion was because I know,
maybe it was a baby word or something.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
It's like, what the heck.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I remember being at primary school and then my mum
used to call your lady bitsy blossom. And at our
primary school we had fucking blossom trees.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
And I remember we were walking down there. We were
walking down out the gates to go walk down to
the church. So I went to a Catholic promise.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
We were in a church and it was spring, so
the blossoms were out and someone said something about the
blossoms and I'm like blossom and no one laughed, and
I was like, oh, why is not anyone think that's funny?
Then I realized it wasn't a universal word.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
I reckon.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
I mean, you've heard of the website Urban Dictionary, haven't you, yea,
which is fantastic. I use it all the time because
I get presented with terms.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
And I have no idea what they mean.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
And even in a tech world and the tech slang
when things are used, I've kind found that I needed
to go to Urban Dictionary to work out what it is.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
I remember years ago had Tracy Bartram on the show.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
With Tracy How great is she? She's out there, She's
so out there.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I love Tracy so good and she'll pulls no punches,
and I remember teaching her about dingleberries.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
You know, I don't know what is a dingle berry.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
No, no, I've got to tell you.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Dictionary, it's the Yeah, it'll suit today's conversation.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I'm going to get the definition. What is a dingle
berry dingle bearry?

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Dingle beerry is a term to just use to describe
a small piece of poop cling to the butt of
human or an animal.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Oh that's Larius.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
It can also be used to informally refer to a
foolish or stupid person. Don't be a dingleberry Patrick.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Having a dag hanging on the back of a sheep if.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
You ever are.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Do you know the worst thing?

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I've tied that into my search engine and then it's
got explore with images and it's got no big picture
of a turd.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
It feels like that's an appropriate theme for the show today, though,
because we have unnaturally delved in the private places of
things that don't normally come out of the conversation. So
I hope people are being entertained by them. But you know,
we're talking about dinny dongs and things that get used
in phrases and terminology, and it's almost like when you

(45:35):
finally go to school, you need to be re educated
into how to speak so many words that get used.
I'm trying to think of other ones at home. I mean,
I grew up in a family where my parents, although
they're Maltese, they both spoke perfect English because in Malta
at the time they grew up when Malta was a
British colony, so they came out as British citizens and

(45:59):
the native to all the languages. That the native languages
of Malta are both English and Maltese. So even now
you know, if you go to Malta, every person speaks English.
And in fact, that's what helped a lot of Europeans.
Earlier Europeans coming out to Australia, Maltese people spoke were
bilingual or trilingual because they spoke Italian as well.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Malta was when they were growing up. I don't think
Maulta could afford.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Television stations, so they used to watch Italian television because
of Malta's right underneath Sicily. So most Maltese people speak
fluent English, Maltese and Italian, so they're trialing, which is
actually a really good skill. And when they came out
to Australia, a lot of Italians came out, a lot
of Greeks came out, particularly to Melbourne and a lot
of the big cities in Australia. And the interesting thing

(46:44):
is that a lot of Maltese had an advantage over
a lot of them because they were already fluent in
English and that made life a lot easier for them,
whereas the other people who came out had to struggle
to learn a language, and that's hard as an adult.
Young adults and people who came out here to escape
torn you know, ravaged World War two on torn Europe

(47:04):
and they looked for a new life. That would have
been so hard for them because they had to learn
something new. You're about to learn how to play the piano,
and it's harder to learn anything new from scratch as
an adult.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
It's a lot harder for us to learn. Our brain
plasticity isn't as plian, I guess.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
As what a young person is. You know, you've got
this empty sponge when you're a kid, but when you
get to our age, you've got this packed hard drive
and it's like I've got to I feel like I've
got to delete something to make room for the new
thing I'm learning.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, it's really it is interesting.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
As before we even said that I was thinking about
the how obvious it's been made that learning something from
scratch is an adult is a whole thing. When I
was looking for a teacher and I'm an adult saying hey,
I'm a complete beginner. So we go on to have
a chat and you know, like it's like, oh, how's this,

(47:55):
how's this different? Well, I'm just just because I'm grown
up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, And that's look.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
I teach tai chi, and I often say to my students,
and I struggle as well with learning new forms. I've
just finished spending a whole year learning a form called
the Wu form, and it's one hundred and twenty one moves,
so one hundred and twenty one unique moves that all
come together to form this form, and it takes like
twenty minutes to do the entire form. So if you

(48:23):
think of a choreographed dance sequence, taye chee is a
little bit like that. So tai Chee's a martial art.
You do lots of moves that are blocks and punches,
but they're done exceptionally slowly, which is great because it
means core stability. If you think of trying to throw
a kick and you're balanced, but you try try to
throw a kick slowly so all it focuses all your

(48:44):
weights on one foot. You kick out with the other foot.
Then you're using all your core to be able to
balance yourself. And if you're doing a form that takes
twenty minutes or so, learning all the moves and remembering
them in the sequence like some moves repeat, but you
still got to I guess it's like learning the chords
of a song you know, or you're playing something you know.
To try to remember all that you can't I mean,

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I guess.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
You use the notes and you can.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
I mean some people can just look at music notes
and be able to play at the same time.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
But for me, that's one of the biggest things.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Not only am I learning tiechie, but I'm teaching it,
so you need to know it so well. It's another
skill again on top of that to be able to
teach that to make sure it's so when you're in
the gym showing someone a move, you've got to be
really mindful that what you're teaching them is so anatomically
accurate because they could hurt themselves, particularly when they start

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pushing higher weights.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
So are they in the right position if it's a squad,
you know, where are their feet, where's their back, where
are they leaning? You know the biomechanics of doing that.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
And so as we get older, they say it it's
better for us to try to learn new things. What
you're doing is probably one of the best things you
could do for your brain. And I know with me,
I try to learn new things, and that's been a
real kind of push for me to be when I
was kind of encouraged to teach. You've got to learn
it to a whole degree more than when you just participate.

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You can get away with a lot more when you're
just participating in a group and you just follow along.
So if you put yourself in the middle and you
see other people doing the form, it's like, oh, yeah,
that's where I'm up to now. But if you're out
there in front of everybody and you're suddenly performing in
front and you're there that I had a funny can
I tell you this story when I was in China.
So one of my second trip to China to train

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in tai Chi, I was in a hall.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
So our training.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Hall we had people from Japan, Korea, all over China
and Germany as well. As a big Australian contingent, So
we may have had maybe eighty to one hundred people
in the training hall, and they were all training in
a particular form that I'd never learned before. So I
decided I would go and just practice in another form

(50:49):
by myself, and I do a couple of tai Chi
sword forms, and this was a broadsword, so it's a
broadsword blade and it's a very slow movement with the
bl So I'm off in the corner doing my training
and I turn around and everybody has stopped and they're.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
All watching me. So what had happened was our grand master.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
So the hierarchical thing of tay Cheese that you have
a grand master who then has a students underneath them,
and that those students have their students, and so there
was literally four generations of students in tai Chi who
were there at the training hall. And here am I
just doing my wu sword and I turn around and

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everyone's looking at me because grand master must have turned
around and noticed me, you know, a I've grabbed one
of the weapons and I'm off their training by myself,
and I turn around and everybody's watching me, and it's
like holy shit. And so I keep doing it and
grand Master doesn't even speak English. And then I finished
the sword form, scared shitless because everyone's watching me all
of a sudden, and he turns to one of the

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translators and says, whoa, because he'd never.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Seen the form before.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
It was a form that he hadn't seen, but he
knew because there are four families of tai Chi, Wu, Chen, Sun,
and Yang, and so he knew the style of the
form that I was doing by the way I performed it.
So my tai chi teacher came back to me later
and said, oh, thank goodness, you did it perfectly. Everybody
was suddenly focused on me, and because of the way

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it's looked, see, there's a lot of respect. So if
I do a form really well, that's not just me
doing the form.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
It shows that my teacher has taught me the form correctly.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
So it actually, you know, the fact that I did
it properly said a lot about her and her ability
to teach. So there's a real sense of lineage. And
that's what's really interesting when you talk about martial arts.
So you know, so me being good reflected on my teacher,
and that was really interesting, and I got to tell
you another funny story if you've got time when I
was there. So I love a lot of the co

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And you were talking earlier about that amazing Indian family
who offered to virtually take you in.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
And show you around.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
And I love the connectedness and the sense of wherever
I've gone, a smile says a million words. You know,
you might not be able to speak the language, but
eye contact and body language are universal. So for me,
I've loved I've had these amazing moments where I've connected
with people through my tai chi, particularly in Asia where
I've done tai chi at an airport where I connected

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with this older woman, like an old lady, who then
joined me.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
And we didn't speak at all.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
We just did tai chi together in the middle of
an airport randomly at like two am in the morning,
and at the end of it, she just smiled this
beaming smile and bowed to me, and we just walked
out in our own separate ways. But when I was
in the training hall in China and I was training,
I turned to my one of my tai chi teachers.
So my master, my tai chi master, is an Australian guy.

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So I have a tai chi teacher. She's my larasher,
and then above her, her teacher is my tai chi master.
So she's my teacher, he's my tai chi master, and
he's tai chi teacher is my grand master.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
And that's kind of that lineage.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
And so there's this amazing scene of respect and saving
face in a lot of cultures.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
And I just.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Happened while we're in China to say to my tai
chi master, where's the washing?

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Where can I do my washing?

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Because everyone was washing their stuff in their showers, you
know when you travel and you just kind of washed
off of a night and then hang it up in
the shower the next day, you got your clothes to claim.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I think I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
It's I've saved up on my clothes and it's like,
where can I get some laundry done? Anyway, he says, oh,
I have a look for you. And we're in the
middle of the training hall. We're all in the middle
of this session, and all of a sudden, three blokes
walk in with a washing machine. They walk through the
training hall and we take the washing machine to the
showers and they unplug one of the showers and plug

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in the washing machine, get an extension lead, plug it
in and Grandma and they basically say, your grandmaster organized
for you to have a washing machine.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Oh my.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
I was so humiliated, Like everyone's looking at me. So
because I happen to ask about doing some washing, They've
gone out and got a washing machine from somewhere just
for me one load of washing. Oh my god. And
like they still dine out on that story here in Australia.
Everyone talks about that story so much. It's like Patrick

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asked for a frigging washing machine and got one.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
I walked in with a fucking washing machine, Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Because of course I knew straight away as soon as
I saw the four blokes with the washing machine. It's like,
oh no, oh, he's brought that in especially for me
to do my washing. And everyone says, looked at me
the dirty Isn't.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
That funny When you don't you don't realize a cultural
difference or something like that, and you make an inquiry
and then this whole thing plays out and you're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
This is because.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Because I was a visitor who needed to do washing
and I didn't have a place to do it, so
for them they were there was a sign of so
part of it was saving face to say, oh, you know,
we could organize a washing machine for you, that's no problem.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
I don't know how much trouble.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
I mean, what the hell someone got to their house
ripped out their bloody washing machines so that I idiot,
you know, visited from Australia, it's too bloody lazy to
do his washing in his shower and just ends up
with a washing.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Machine that purposely connected and brought in from some poor
bastard's house.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Oh god, when you were talking before about teachers and teaching,
and that's become.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Really apparent to me as well.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
And another crossover from boxing is like I started just
with an online thing, and I've got some friends that
are musicians that can play piano.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
A little bit that said, I'll show you a thing
or two.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
One of my new clients had he works at a
piano shop, and he had said, I could, I could
give you lessons, but he's self taught, and most of
these people are self taught, and I'm like, that's that's okay,
but I really want to do my lessons with someone
who teaches, even if they're self talk, I'll probably ever know.

(57:00):
Like it's hard to I don't know that. I'm not
in the world of music or pianos, but I would
like to train with someone because, like as a boxing
coach who's coached, who's trained under a lot of different coaches,
understand that there is different levels of understanding and different Yeah,

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it's just interesting.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
So I do you get that?

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Because I guess the thing is if you get taught badly.
Sometimes I jump onto YouTube and I see other people
and this sounds really arrogant, but I see other people
doing tai chi.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
And I think, oh, no doing where are your hands?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
And you don't know what? You don't know?

Speaker 4 (57:39):
No, that's right because the beautiful thing about ty chee
is it's this beautiful flowing movement. But it can be
too flourishy because the basis is still martial arts. So
I might be blocking a kick and then throwing a punch.
So the idea is that you don't you know if
martial art application would be someone comes towards you to attack,

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you don't resist, you deflect. So if someone threw a
punch at me, So if you threw a punch at me,
I wouldn't try to resist the punch. I would grab
your arm and deflect it beside me. More energy is
being used against you. So the application is you throw
a punch at me, I just take your punch and
I deflect it to the side of me, and then
I bring up a knee as you go past. You know,

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it's that sort of application of what you would do.
So you would never directly resist the energy of the
other person. The idea is to deflect the energy away.
So a lot of the movements are about that movement balance,
standing to the side, grabbing the person and moving them
to the side. And then when you see someone doing
all these amazing flourishes and it looks like this great dance,

(58:44):
it's like, well, no, you wouldn't have your hand above
your head, wouldn't have your arms out wide, because now
you're vulnerable to an attack. And you know what it's like.
You've got your hands when you're boxing, they're up in
front of you. Your hand wouldn't be flying out the sides,
you know, And suddenly when you know the application. So
when I like to talk about tai chi, and and
I get taught by people in Taichi when they talk
about the martial art application and why you're doing what

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you do.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Then it makes sense to me, And I guess for you.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Learning something somebody who knows music and knows the notes
and knows how to sustain the note.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
And you know, so some notes you extend, so.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
It's not just playing it once, it's actually playing it
and holding the notes, so that extends further. So you know,
you could see a note on a page, but if
it's an extended note, then you've got to play it
for longer, you know, those sorts of things.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yeah, so it's fascinating. It sounds like you're on a
really interesting journey.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Bloody love it? Have you? Does taichi give you?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I always talk about boxing from the standpoint of it
introducing me to myself, like I learned a lot about
and I always learn And because I'm not training at
the moment and training when I'm not training competitively, I
missed that aspect of going into the fire to see

(59:58):
who you are, to learn who you are today? And
do you get that from tai chi? Because I always
relate it to in boxing, I'm forced into that fight
or flight environment, so there's no time to fall back
on a bullshit story. We make up, which we don't
always think we're making up, but we're kind of reason
making machines, like oh, I just do it like this,

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and the next minute there's no time because you're in
fight or flight and you either duck the punch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
And throw back or you fucking run away. There's no story.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
They can't tell another story about that bluffy wat You
blinked and you coward and you let them hit you,
or you didn't hit back, or you whatever happened happened.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
No with me with tai chi, I call it a
mindful meditation, moving meditation. When I I may not have
told you the story I picked up on tai chi
when I moved out of home. I went to Geelong first,
and I worked in Geelong as a kid and loved.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Being in there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:55):
And I did a short course in tai chi and
it really resonated with me, but the course didn't continue,
and so I went for this period where something about
it resonated. But it was only maybe ten years later
or longer that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
I was living in Melbourne.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
I'd moved to Brighton East and I kept seeing an
ad in the local paper for Taichi and something about
it made me think oh, I'm got to keep this
another go. And at the time I had a double mortgage.
I'd started my business, I had two staff, I had
a colleague and an employee. I was hemorrhaging money, like

(01:01:31):
it was. Interest rates were ridiculously high, and I was
a real crisis point in my life. I had to
make some decisions. I'd left radio and started my own business.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
But at the same time I had a breakup and
I had to buy out my partner. So I had
a double mortgage.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
At the time, rams were doing a no DOS loan,
not a low DOS loan, no docks, with ridiculously high interest.
And for a time there, I was just paying the
interest on my credit card, just paying the interest on
my mortgage, and I was hemorrhaging money. And by the
end of the day I was getting stress headaches. So
I just get to the end of the day and think, farck,

(01:02:05):
I've got so much to do tomorrow. I can't get
it done. And then I just rediscovered tai chi, and
for me being mindful and being in the moment, I
would get to class and then I'd be learning a
new form. So I'd have to focus on the moves,
focus on what I was doing, trying to remember them,
trying to practice them, and then the instructor and say,
now you do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
And then I'd get halfway through the class and I
think to myself, my head aches gone.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
And I've been mindful. And so for me, what I
love about Thai cheese for that moment. It might be
for fifteen minutes or half an hour. Normally I do
it almost a two hour session every Saturday morning, and
I love it. It's great fun. We laugh, but that
entire time, nothing else goes through my mind when I'm
doing that tai chi. Nothing else With my staff, I

(01:02:58):
try to do tai chi in the morning. In the afternoon,
we get off our desks and we do a little
simple form that I love to do because it's actually
a really good stretching exercise as well. And even for
that small amount of time, I really get a sense
of in a piece when I do tai chi.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
So that's for me, that's the focus.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
That's the moving meditation where nothing else in the world
exists except what you're doing, and that's mindfulness. You can
sit by a creek and watch the water and listen
to it and the sounds and smells and that for
some person might be mindfulness, but for me, mindfulness in
taichi is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
When I'm in the moment doing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
The form, and when you really know a form, and
I guess I know boxing is so freestyle because you're
reacting to the opponent, but when you're doing a form
where so the twenty four form is the most common
form done.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Around the year in the world. It's called the Yang
twenty four.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
And if you go to San Francisco and there's a
group of people doing tai chi, more likely than anything
they'll be doing the Yang twenty four or the Beijing
twenty four. And when I do it, because each who
flows to the next move, and because I've done it
so much, I don't have to think about what's coming
up next. So it's only twenty four moves, and I've
done forms that are more complicated, but the flowing into

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one move to another is almost a surreal experience for
me when I do it, and I can I've done
it in parks. You know, I might be going and
I might be somewhere where I think, you know what,
I'm just going to stop and do a little bit
of tai chi, and you just get into the moment
you start the movements and nothing in the world exists
for that six or five and a half minutes that

(01:04:31):
you do that form. So that's for me, is what
is the beauty of doing tai chi? And anybody can
do it at any age, which is great.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
It doesn't you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
If anything, the slow movements are actually really good for
your core stability and balance and focus. So there's mental
phos called focus, physical focus, balance and coordination.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
You know, I'm kind of doing a big up cell here,
aren't I.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
But I love it. I think I really love it,
and you can just keep doing it for your entire life.
A friend of mine, her daughter, grown up daughter, has
arthritis and it's really crippling. And there is actually a
form of tai chi for arthritis a couple name of
doctor Paul Limb, and he specifically designed tay chief forms

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for people with severe arthriters.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
How good is that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, it sounds there's so many similarities. I mean, I
guess with anything, really, but you talk about that and
I'm like, oh, yeah, that feels the same as you
get that in boxing, but in a different, different context.
Like most decisions, boxing is really complex because you're you're
training these instinctial reflexes so that you don't have to think,

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so that they just happen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
But at the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Same time as you'll always simultaneously need to be controlling
a different focus. So it's like if you train your
responses to things like what you see, you then have
an action too. So a punch comes to me, I
will slip and throw back slipping count it's count, right,
So that will just happen at the same time as

(01:06:03):
I'm looking after maybe what direction I am, or where
I am in the ring, or what you know, a
whole bunch of different things, which feels a little bit
like trying to play chords on my right hand and
play a fucking accompaniment or whatever it's called on my
left hand, Like doing two things at once so that
they become automatic, so that you can think about something

(01:06:24):
else at the same time, and that will just happen naturally.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
It's the left and right brain working in harmony, isn't
it controlling body? And that's a really amazing It actually
makes so much sense because you're developing the muscle memory
to a point where it's instinctual, so your reflexes have
to move.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
My Tai Chee teacher is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
This lovely little lady, gray haired lady called Patricia, and
she tells this story. Because all of our tai chi
movements are very slow moving, you can kind of you know,
I would never want to get into a fight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
In fact, I've.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
Always said that I've won all of my fights by
one hundred meters.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
That's I'm just not that sort of person.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
But we do do moves that require slow movements, that
are based on martial art movements. And my tie teacher
told me this one day that this little tiny lady
someone came up behind her in an alley and grabbed
her from behind, and instinctively she did a move that
we do entai chi, which is an elbow strike. So

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you bring your elbow back, which would go into the
solar plexus of somebody. So it's funny because the movement
is really slow and ti chie, you know, you bring
your elbow back, the hand flows out to the side,
and there's this move called repulse Monkey. It's a funny
movie called Repulse Monkey. I try to visualize the moves,
you know, clouded hands make sense, the hands move, but
repulse monkey, like, what the hell. So she's grabbed by

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this bloke and she's instinctively, without even thinking of it,
brought her elbow directly into his solar plexus and he
was doubled over and she ran off like she managed
to actually get away from him and say herself like
goods knowows what would have happened, But that was an
instinctive move that she'd from just tens of thousands of

(01:08:07):
times in doing it in tai chi, it was an
instinctual move. She never practiced what we call hard martial arts.
So there's hard martial arts like kadate judo, and then
you've got soft martial arts like tai chi.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yeah, interesting, isn't it? That muscle memory it is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
You better tell people how they can get involved in
tai chi via your horror oh on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
This google it because there's tai chi groups everywhere. But
for me, I have a little website. I build a
website during COVID called tai Chi at Home, and I
did it because I wanted my students to still be
able to practice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
I've just got a number of exercises. It's all free, and.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Then there's a donate button, but I don't think anyone's
ever donated to it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
But it's really nice.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
But I need.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
I mean, I'll eventually update the videos and put some
new stuff on there, but there's enough there that if
you wanted to get a little bit of an inkling
of whether Thai cheese for you, or if you just
want to do some really lovely pass exercises. One of
my favorite exercises I was telling you that I do
with my staff is called chen bar Chun, and it's
this amazing stretching exercise. You know, you bring your body up,
you bring your hands over, reach behind you, kind of

(01:09:11):
reach down. But if you work at a computer all
day long, or do anything that's repetitive and you're not
moving around much, this simple, simple exercise it's about two minutes.
I do that twice with my with my colleagues and
it's great and we just get away from our desks
and we do this chen bu Chun movement.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
But that's a little exercise. On the website you can
follow along with Fritz is there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Little Fritzi is part of my my You know what
it was like during COVID, I put I got, I
bought all this black material.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
I put it in my lounge room, turn it into
a studio.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Got some signs made up came up with a website
called tai Chi at Home. I thought, oh, no one's
ever registered tai Chi at home. So if you go
to tai Chi at home dot com TODAYU, there's this
website that I created during COVID that hasn't really been
updated since. But it's got all this Thai cheese stuff.
It's got little videos of exercises you can do that
you can.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Follow along with. So if you to give it a go,
go to tai chie at home and check it out.
Ty che at home dot com today.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
I might give that a go. I'm hoping I it
with you live.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
You know that I would get in class with you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
I was Jess going to know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
What I was just going to say, is I have
that weird switch in my brain that's like if something
is live or recorded. If something's live, I'm fully engaged. Yeah,
but it's recorded. Even if it's an interactive like a whatever,
it doesn't have to be exercised. But there's something in
my mind that's wanting to hurry everything or rush through it,

(01:10:33):
or you're not in it with someone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
It's weird, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
I had a friend who was in lockdown in COVID.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
And came out to Australia for the Australian Open Tennis
as a journalist, and they had to do the two
weeks of being in lockdown in an apartment. Remember they
were hotel lockdowns, and so every day we would do
tai chee together, So get our phones out and I'd
set up the camera and we'd do tai chee together.
And I've done that with my sister in law in Canada. Well,

(01:11:00):
we were doing some tai chi together during COVID as well,
So I found that I was doing a lot of
that just with friends, just logging on and doing a
Zoom whatever it was. Because Zoom was free then as well,
you could do an unlimited or what that works as well,
you know, doing a little session. But I love doing that.
And when my colleagues work from home, we still do
tai chi. We do it remotely, so we jump on

(01:11:21):
and get the cameras going and we do a little
session together as well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah, I loved that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
I loved I was training the paramedics over that time
online and that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Kept me so fit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
And then after I think in the last lockdown where
my contract with them was finished and we weren't doing
them anymore. For a little while, I just continued doing
them for free because it made me train better, It
kept me fit, and I enjoyed the training because I
was doing it for other people, whereas just getting bundle

(01:11:53):
up in your bedroom doing your own fucking hit out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Well for me building this web site during the time
when none of my students were able to do classes,
it was great for me just to do that as
a gift to the students to keep them motivated as well.
It was just something that helped me get through it.
And that's still a surreal time for me, fill for
a lot of people it is. I think there's still

(01:12:18):
a lot of fall out for kids that went through
those landmark times in their lives, whether it was going
through school at a crucial time, so going from primary
to secondary school, or maybe doing year eleven and year twelve,
or just starting out in the workforce. But I kind
of feel for a lot of people who still have
the carryover effects.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Of what they were forced to go through.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
And I'm more I think more about kids I reckon,
you know, being in primary school, the first two years
of primary school on a camera, or going from year
seven and then going from primary school into year seven
and doing that with a screen in front of you.
My first day of year seven, I went into the
yard and I sat down next to this blonde kid
and I turned around and introduced each other, and his

(01:13:02):
name was Peter, and we ended up being best friends.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
Like we were in the same class.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
We didn't know this, and we ended up being in
the same classes for the entire time of secondary school.
And we were just the best buddies. And we just
met in the school yard that very first day at school.
We just happened to sit next to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
How good is that?

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Yeah? And so I still think I do think about
other people and what they were forced to go through
during COVID and how much of an impact, particularly young people.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I always think about experiences like that, and even for
myself because there's a level of fondness I have at
that time for me, and that was getting out of
getting out of an environment I didn't realize was really
negatively impacting me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Also, I assume.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Looking back, I have a perspective that there was a
sense of connection because we're all in this together. So
for someone that's completely independent and very I think if
I look at the perhaps the underlying things that challenge
me is hyperindependence, a bit of insecurity about the future,

(01:14:20):
a bit of abandonment stuff. It's like, oh, we're all
in this together, and I can and I will be
okay because I'll show you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
And I guess I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
And also the support, you know, it was like the
support that government helped small businesses so I had. It
was like, oh, the normal Tiff running in front of
a train on train tracks and never been able to stop,
which is kind of how I often feel in life.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
I can't stop. I can't stop.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
I can't stop, I can't We could just step off
the tracks, Tiff. Now I can't stop because I've got
to stay on the tracks because I can't get off track.
That was paused. It was like, okay, you can get
off the track and just reassess things, and there's this
support here for you to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
It's funny, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
How COVID affected many people in different ways, and I
was the same as you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
For me, it was a breath.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
I took a breath during a really deep breath, and
I reevaluated. And because I'm a really social person, I
teach regularly, I do stuff at night, so It's not
unusual for me to get up at five point thirty.
I'm out walking the dog and I'm doing stuff. I'm active,
and then at nighttime I work through I've got a
young guy who comes into the office after school and
then he works through it or six, and then from

(01:15:38):
six I go on to teach. So you know, there's
a few nights a week where I get up super
early and I'm not home till after eight o'clock, and
so it's really long days and I love that. But
COVID was a time just to take a breath, for
me to reevaluate, and because you were forced not to
interact with people, you know, as someone who does actually.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Like this space. But it's very socially.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
You know, I've got a friend staying over at the
moment and her boyfriend's coming down today. And these are
my close friends who actually live in Queensland, and they're
obviously all the dramas that are going on there at
the moment. They're worried about their home. But we're going
to hang out. We're probably going to go rock climbing
today because we all climb and it just indore.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
But you know, we've organized to do something tonight. We're
doing something tomorrow. You know, it's going to be a
hectic weekend and I love that. It's going to be
a hectic weekend, but it's going to be NonStop.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Sorry, you asked me to wrap things up and I
just kept talking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Well I'm thinking, I'm like, he's got friends over and
I'm making turning this into a bloody ninety minute chat.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Should let you go? Should let you go? Live your day?
I've also got a well I don't have to.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
I've got a friend's boyfriend is stranded in Melbourne at
the moment from Queensland, can't get back there. So I'm
going to reach out and see if he wants to
catch out for lunch today and just so that he's good,
so he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Meandering around the city going and nothing to do here.

Speaker 4 (01:17:01):
Oh that's nice of you. See that's great when you
can help friends out like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Yeah, so do try Tiede she at home if you
want to just join in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
It's a bit, but it was doing everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
Let's do it all right? Thanks Patrick always.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Yeah, I was going to say the same. It's lovely
hanging out with you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
We'll see each other in real life.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Soon.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
We keep saying that's been been months of saying that,
but it's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
I cant have to go and have a plane is
and my friend Kim because she's got a Wally Walter
is her whipper.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
I have Saturdays off now, so tradom.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Yeah, it's a bit of Okay, that's the date. How's that?

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Thanks Patrick,

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