Grief, Growth & G-Strings | Loz Antonenko - 931

Holy snapping ducksh*t, buckle up for this one. Loz Antonenko (aka the Mojo Mentor) brings a full buffet of life stories, wisdom, wild twists, and unfiltered gold. We kicked off with reminiscing bonding over our matching fancy-pants and somehow landed on grief, burnout, bodybuilding, trauma, transformation, 3D-printed butts, and the radical power of not half-assing your habits.

Loz is one of those people who has lived – and I mean really lived – through some stuff that would crumble most, but she’s come out with more colour, clarity, and joy than ever. This convo was a rollercoaster of feels, perspective shifts, deep chats, and lots of laughs. She’s lived a hundred lifetimes in one and turned it all into a roadmap for reclaiming your mojo... one small, powerful habit at a time. You're going to bloody love her!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
She said, it's now never I got fighting in my blood.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
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(00:54):
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Speaker 3 (00:56):
What an honor and a pleasure tip. I can't wait
for this conver station. We are two random peas in
a pod.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Oh mate, and you've popped up on the screen. And
as soon as you did, I had envy. I had
envy because you You've got like a walking treadmill thing
going on. Yeah, and I'm so jealous because you get
to wriggle around and I have to sit here in
a chair and fidget.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
You too, could do this though it's only one eBay
purchase away at eleven twenty nine on a Friday night.
It's all it takes, just say, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
So I did with this stand up desk that I'm
currently sitting at. Love sitting at my stand up desk.
It's all right, we've all been there, no judgment, but
it's perfect setup.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Was that a random animal?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
That was my cat who's been sitting here silently sleeping.
And the moment she realized that I'd hit record and
this was now the podcast, she was like, ah, I
could get up and play up right now, I could
get in the way. In fact, you might see her
push the banner behind me over. I love that time.
I love that.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I've had worse things happen. I've had a dog drag
someone's back drop out of the frame during a podcast episode,
like legitimately a puppy and you just watch this backdrop
move and move and move an inch by inch it
gets dragged out the door. We kept the tape rolling though,
So yeah, spontaneity. I think we're all for that.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh good, good look. If anyone can handle it weekend,
we can. We met recently at the event in Queensland,
the speaking event that I went to. What an awesome
room of humans, right, and we connected over our matching pants. Yeah,
so gad way to start a friendship, right, Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
In some spandex in Leopard, Prince Spann, because you went
and presented a story. You you actually got up for
a story. Slam never met you, and I remember seeing
you on stage. I'm like, ay on, and I looked
down at what I was ory, I look at your
where I'm a nobody else wears these pants only fit people.
And then that was our initiation and the icebreaker and

(03:07):
here we.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Are and I'm so proud of that investment because they
were a brand new investment I had. That was the
first time i'd warn them. I was like, I'm gonna
get some of these pants and oh, really them? And
I thought, I've got to wear these pants at this conference.
And there you go.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
It was. It was the calling that you didn't need you, No,
you needed I've got I've got about eleven pairs of
those now in various types. Oh they're the best because
if you've got glutes and thighs and you know, thunder thighs,
thick thighs, NERVs, then you need stuff that's not going
to clap out at your waist and so yeah, those

(03:42):
pants are the bomb. We won't mention it because there's
no sponsorship there.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
But if they want to, I might reach out to
them and we be like, Okay, we've got something to say.
Sponsor us.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
We're open for business.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, open for business, reach out tell us, introduce yourself
to my audio.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah. Well that's a great question. Some las Antonenko and
I reckon I've had more trauma plot twists in my
life than i've bringeworthy Netflix series. Actually, if trauma and
pushing through earned frequent flyer points, I definitely have been
hand picked for a spot right next to Katy Perry

(04:22):
skyrocketing around space. At this point, I call myself a
Moojo mental And the reason I call myself that tip
is that for a really long time, I didn't really
know where I was in my life. I have an
IT degree, believe it or not, and started my first
business at fifteen years old, But I think I don't

(04:43):
think I realized that I've always been a solutions orientated person.
Was diagnosed with add There it goes. Look at that
right on you saving the day I was diagnosed with
ADD before it was even cool, and here we are
saving the day the background, so yeah, we know that
that we know it is an actual background, not a

(05:04):
virtual one.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Everybody, hold off, I'm going to throw the cat out
of here because she is going full tilt into destruction mode.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
It's all right, and I'm going to entertain you with
a dance.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Dirder dirta dir.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
There you go, we go that intermission song. I don't
even know where do we even get to? Oh? Who
were we?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
You're yeah? And you're ADHD diagnosis?

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Oh yeah, yes. I got diagnosed with ADHD in the
late nineties, before it was cool and before it was
a thing. And I remember being diagnosed and not really
knowing what it was. And I was medicated with a
thing called dex amphetamine. And I haven't grown since then.
I'm forty now, exactly the same size I was when
I was thirteen. Finally enough. But most of my life
I solving problems, had an IT degree, so very like

(06:03):
solutions orientate, a very pragmatic and living a very average life.
And then there was a series of events that occurred
over a very short period of time that completely changed
the trajector my life. If you had ever told me
that I would be in the fitness and the health
and the well being industry. I would have completely lost
my shit at you and told you were stupid. But

(06:24):
it's like this life and this path kind of found me,
and it came through suffering, it came through grief. The
first thing that happened was I was diagnosed with a
brain tumor in two thousand and fourteen, So Benine, I
called it Steve, because you're a libyance be renting space

(06:47):
in my head. You're getting it a name, So I
have Steve living him ahead. And then I got diagnosed
with a condition called ulcer of collidis halfway through my
university degree or very very sick and was pooping blood.
Thought I had bow cancer and got too about forty
kilos and so here I was thinking I lived a
pretty average life. But I ended up in hospital on

(07:11):
the brink of death, very very unwell, and was told
that I had this horrible disease, I had some genetic defect,
and that there was a susceptibility for me genetically to
be diagnosed with a whole heap of other things like
multiple sclerosis and and closing spondylighters. I didn't really understand
what that meant at the time. So I was slapped
on the bum with a whole heap of drugs and

(07:32):
sent home on a gluten free diet, and then over
six months, I gained about twenty six and a half kilos.
I felt like shit. I started self medicating with alcohol
and marijuana, but then was living just this sideways life
for a really long time. And the three biggest life
changing events which would sort of formulate my path to

(07:56):
becoming this mojo mental, which is an entire title than
I made up, was that my husband my father. So
we were in business together. We were selling mobility equipment
like scooters and wheelchairs and things to wipe your ass
with and things to turn on taps with. We had
a physical altercation in our workplace which resulted in him
back handing me across the face. He doesn't know that

(08:17):
he calls about fifteen thousand dollars worth of damage to
my jewel. He then proceeded to make my life a
living hell, split from my mother, broke up my family,
and then my husband committed suicide six months later. My
dad blamed me for that. Becoming a widow. Two days
after your thirty first birthday, don't recommend it. But a

(08:40):
month after that, my grandfather died and so, as somebody
that's lived in a very yang energy space all of
my life, the three biggest male role models that I
had gone, and I completely lost my sense of purpose
and identity. But I will tell you here that the

(09:01):
suicide of my husband was actually the best thing that
ever happened to me, because it forced me to realize
that if my life was going nowhere, then that's exactly
where it would end. And if I was continuing down
this path of sideways, average page vanilla life, which was
highly predictable, highly engineered, that's exactly where it was going
to end. And so I found myself in a gym.

(09:25):
Now it wasn't because I wanted to go to a gym,
but at the time I had a great psychologist, thank god,
and she said, Lauren, that's actually my name. All of
these things that you're going through right now, they're going
to take time to process and to move through, but
you need to go find something that you can do
every day. And I thought, I've got this gym membership

(09:48):
that I never use, I might as well go to
the gym. And so this is before we had a
twenty four to seven gym where I lived. I went
to a PCYC Pausilice Citizens and Youth Club and I
went eight thirty right and I would go on the
treadmill and I was pretty average, like I didn't like,
I wasn't fit, hat oversized clothes, don't fucking look at me,

(10:09):
stare on my face, and I'll go on the treadmill
half an hour before closing time. So I did that
for a few weeks and then one day, this lovely volunteer,
he was really good friends with my husband, he saw
me and he said, why don't why don't you come
and lift weight? So I mean, I see you there
all the time, and you look really lonely. And I
looked out at the gym floor and now at a
pc Y, I see you on a weekday. The only
people who occupy a gym at eight thirty at night

(10:31):
are male palstyle individuals, sweaty, grundy, stinky, groaning, grunting of
men who are baled.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
And I was just like, oh, I don't know, like
I don't want to look like that, and he goes,
you know what, like you can't like you would need to
take hormones you.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Will feel strong in tone. I'm like, ah. And so
the next night, instead of going to the treadmill, I
went to the gym floor and he literally grabbed a
set of one kila dumb bells and he taught me
how to do something called Arnold Press's okay old school exercise.
And I had no idea what I was doing. I
felt like a complete gummy. And over a course of time,

(11:13):
I started improving and getting stronger, and I moved down
the dumbell stat because the dumbells sit in a tree.
And then I started talking to these blots and realized
that they were actually really cool. And I started having
conversations about things I'd never spoken about with anybody that
was in my circle. I speaking about goal setting and
personal development and nutrition and like these radical ideas. Like

(11:33):
I was like, because my world was like quite small
and predictable, and here I am, like learning about all
this other shit and I'm talking about nutrition. And so
I developed the sense of belonging and culture. And over
six months, my body changed, my mindset started changing. I
went and did some tiny robin stuff. I walked on
hot coals, I did rara, and I tried some really

(11:54):
extreme things, but I started to shift this sense of
identity and so, to cut a long story short, I
decided to do a bodybuilding show. My husband, he was
Chinese Ukrainian, gorgeous guy, biceps bigger than my thighs, and
he wanted to do this stuff himself, but he never
had the confidence, which is what undid him in the end.

(12:15):
When his cultures that he came from, there were never
cultures where you could talk about your feelings. It was
always about saving face. And so I thought, I'm going
to do something a legacy. You can't have die for nothing,
and so I decided to do a bodybuilding show. What
that turned into was thirteen shows in fourteen months. I
developed an eating disorder ADHD. I just completely threw myself in.

(12:38):
Now most people do one show every two to three years,
and I basically thought that if I just keep going,
I don't have to feel anything. And I became this
grief shape productivity machine. I ended up hiring staff and
my business put on my big girl pants, and you know,
my business was doing multi seven figures by this stage,
so my business was sort of thriving. The mobility business

(12:59):
I took over after MyDD and I had that physical altercation,
and I kept it going, and it was kind of
my safety net, this business that I had. But then
I ended up burning out. I end up back in hospital.
I burned out three times. I got two more things
happened to my body, like I ended up froounding a
heart whole and got heart surgery. And then at the
end of the mote, at the end of the thirteenth show,

(13:22):
I don't think I realized how toxic the fitness industry
was that I was sitting in because I was still
sort of to the side of the fitness industry. I
was sort of in it, but I wasn't participating in
it as like I am now. And so I remember
the last night before my last show, and I'm sitting
on the balcony of this penthouse before I stepped on
stage next day, and I really wanted a glass of wine,
and my coach said to me, Babe, why don't you

(13:44):
think about snorting cocaine because there's no calories in that.
And I had this penny drop moment, and I remember
sitting there going, what the fuck am I in? Like
all these athletes are like injecting themselves with drugs and stuff.
I was a natural athlete. But I kind of just
went cold turkey. I was like, this is totally messed
up this space. I've got to go learn and unpack
what I've just been through. So did a whole heap

(14:07):
of personal development. I started studying to become a personal trainer.
I then became a nutritional advisor connie behavioral therapy practitioner.
I studied thirteen things in fourteen months, so there's a
rule of thirteen rat But I didn't do it because
I wanted to become a coacter or a mentor. I
actually did it because I needed to understand, as this
adh neurodivergent person whose process and solutions orientated, what the

(14:29):
fuck went wrong? Where did this start falling apart from me?
How did I go from this life? How did I
zig so far in one direction that I had to
zag an equal amount in the opposite direction. But I
realized that you have to do that sometimes the pendulum
must swing to equilibrate into the middle. And so at
the end of this personal development process, which shook a
little bit of time, I had all these people, like

(14:51):
my body change and all of my social media change,
my messaging started changing with who I was and my
identity that I was assuming I started calling myself Laws
instead of Lauren. People like started to notice and they're like,
holy fuck, like how did you how did you go
from that person to this person? How are you so
aligned authentically with the person in the essence that you are?
And I'm like, I don't know. But then I realized

(15:13):
that maybe what I did and the process. I mean,
I have a PhD in pushing through let's be real, right.
And then last year at Christmas time, got diagnosed with
two more brain tumors I currently have to I have
Sheila and Barry now in my brain.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Fuck.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
But I'm fine, I'm fine, but you know, like I
realized that this is not normal, and like, so, yes,
I've had a pretty heavy load of plot twists, right,
But I realized, okay, well, what if I could deconstruct
my process, recreate it as something that's replicatable, and then

(15:48):
coach people on that. And so that's what I started doing,
And I started calling myself a sustainable life call coach.
And then people started calling me up thinking that I
built like ecologically friendly houses, and then people could have
pronounced my last name, and so then I was like Okay,
I can't call myself laws Antonenko. So I created a
brand called Law's Life, thought about getting my last name

(16:10):
changed by deed poll to Life, but not yet. And
so I structurally and pragmatically help people unfuck their habits.
And so what I realized through all of this stuff
is it wasn't the big grand gestures of transformation that
made the most impact in my life. Yes, I went
and did Tony Robbins, I downloaded the app, I read

(16:31):
every fucking book there is on personal development, on getting unstuck.
I did all of these things. And we tend to
tell ourselves at the bigger m, the more complex the solution,
the more powerful the transformation. But I call bullshit on that.
I think we live in a space where we're bombarded
with all of these things that we have to do.
We have to get up and have an ice bath
at four am and fucking do affirmations and do handstand

(16:51):
push ups and then do high rocks. And I'm going
to say, like, what if we actually bring ourselves back?
What if doing less more often was actually gave us
more mojo? And So from all of this, I've sort
of unpacked and created some really key things that you know,
I use now as a coach, and I talk about
handbrake habits and so like our five habits of our eating,

(17:15):
our breathing, our sleep, our movement, and how drape our hydration.
You know, we're already doing those things on a daily basis.
Most of us are driving around in our car, our
body with all of those handbrakes stuck on. Though most
people forfeit sleep in order to be productive. Most people
don't drink enough water because they forget. Most people don't
really know what right right, that's the cue. Most people

(17:35):
don't know what they're putting in their mouths. I don't understand,
like they've been brainwashed and green washed with advertising companies.
Most people breathe in adequately because their posture is so
messed up in a day and they sit like a
prawn at their at their stand up desk, and then
most people don't move mindfully. I feel detective, right right,
it's all right, calm now, I come up. But most

(17:57):
people do all of those things really inadequately. And what
I actually realizes that if we just bring ourselves back
to the things that we're already doing, those five handbrake
habits and focus on locking each of those. And what
you find is if you just on lot one, the
others were automatically unlocked because you get momentum. It's actually
far more sustainable to unlock not just our mojo, but

(18:18):
our actual potential. And so that is what a mojo
mental is. So in a big, shiny, glittery fucking rainbow nutshell,
that is who was Antonenko is holy shit?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah right, like beyond unexpected Thank you one. When I
laid eyes on you at the conference, you just exude
childlike joy and lightness, like just such an energy that

(18:53):
I could never have expected that number of and that
level of shit. Even though even though one of the
things I always say is when you look at somebody's
accolades and greatness and you want them, you have to

(19:13):
assume that there is something equally as dark on the
other side. They've overcome to get it. So even given
that fuck just hearing your the things that you have
lived through and been through.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
But we all have our thing to carry right tip
and like mine just happens to be visible on an
mir at the moment. I mean, the people that are
listening yours might be fucking doubt, it might be fit.
You might be hauling a grief case the size of
the national fucking debt through your life, right like every
single day, just hauling that mofo through your life. But
it's yours to carry. And I think that we think

(19:48):
we are unique and alone in our journeys of carrying
our shit and crawling through our lives, but we're not.
But you do actually get to choose how heavy the
thing is going to be. And I think, I mean,
there's no actual way you could have told me that
by forty years old I would have had all of
those things happen. I mean, there's been some really high
points as well. I've met the second love of my life.
He's fifteen years old. I'm a fucking g mar to

(20:10):
an eight year old. I love it. I love it.
I've climbed Mount Kilimanjaro like I've skied over glaciers. I've
built and sold a multi seven figure business, and I
actually am living my absolute best life. Like I'm on
a tremill in an office. I work three days a
week with clients, I have online programs. I have a
lot of freedom. I don't have a lot of stress.

(20:32):
But it's because I've taken the time to unpack all
of the shituations in my life that have just piled
up on top of me. When you think about like
lotus flowers, lotus flowers grow best in darkness like a lotus.
If you put heaves and shit on top of that
freking thing, that is when it actually normally is the

(20:54):
brightest and the biggest. And so I look at life
like that. Life doesn't happen to it happens for us.
And I think that that reframing and that constant feedback
that nothing is so hard and fucked that there isn't
a place of space, a time, or a face that
you can't share that with. Maybe it's not the right
place or the face, or the time or the place

(21:15):
right now, Maybe it's not it, but there will be
a point. And I think some of the deepest, most
honest and cathartic conversations I've ever had are with complete
strangers who have just become this spaceholder for whatever it
is that I was carrying. And I think that in
this synthesized reality that we live in where we don't
know the difference between augmentation and three D because we

(21:39):
have filters on everything, and you know, it's even getting
worse and worse day by day. We forget that the
human experience is accessible through conversation, and it's stuff like
this where you're sharing and you just connect with somebody.
There's an energetic connection and that oh okay, like I
have something in common with this person. But so many

(21:59):
of us are now coming wired to be introverted. And
as soon as somebody makes ar concert with like, oh,
get on my phone, get on my phone, get on
my phone, ignore ignore a boart, you know, like, and
I use it as a blessing because I wear the
pink clothes and the bright accords. I drive a hot
pink convertible.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
When my had filters, and I was like, you walk
into a room with literal like you look like literally
you've taken filters off the screen and gone, I'm bringing
these into real life. This is the real meat.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
It's yeah, awesome, yeah, and this is it like it's
it's going, I'm going to wear the things. And I think,
you know, I look at who I was as a child.
There was a time and a place in my life
when I was about seven years old and I used
to dance and I was wearing my sister actually pulled
up some footage just recently of an old video, and
I kind of I only had this realization about a
month ago, just before we met. Actually, she put up

(22:54):
this old footage of me dancing at a stage and
I was wearing hot pink and green and conflicting acra right,
and I'm on stage and I have no ffuck can
I do what I'm doing? And I actually skip off
the stage in the wrong direction. But after that point
in time, like I became, we moved and I got
bullied from the age of seven to seventeen, profusely bullied.
I didn't I didn't want to be a girl. I

(23:15):
didn't want to be alive. I hated who I was.
I became very dark and withdrawn from society. I had
to find my identity through achievement, because that's how my
could wire my dad to tell me that he loved me.
But it's like at a forty I have kind of
come back to that girl. I finally came home, And
I think that we have to give ourselves permission to

(23:36):
come home to the stage that we once occupied as
a small individual, when none of this shit that we
think matters actually mad, I have a tattoo that says
remember to remember. And it's a quote from a book
called The Secret, and it's not even a significant quote.
I just like I remember reading it and I was
just like, Wow, that really resonates deeply because we just forget.

(23:57):
We forget that once upon a time, like life was simple,
things mattered and we did what felt good, and as adults,
we put on these masks and these hats and these
filters of augmented reality, and we just forget how to
have joy. And so I'm hoping that by using the

(24:18):
terms mojo mental, that becomes this facilitation point of how
many people cultivate that sense of freedom and fun and purpose.
Because it's there and it's accessible, you're just going to
choose to put the glasses on and for the silver
linings in your life sometimes and people don't. They're just like, ah,
that's stupid. Had you know, let's take a pill or

(24:39):
an injection or some numbing agent. And you know, it's like,
we have this subsidized dependency that our culture is now
formulated on, and you know, I'm going to call a
bullshit on it, Like life doesn't have to be hard.
I say that from a fairly privileged position, but I
built that privileged position through hard work on certainty, pain

(25:00):
and suffering. Does that make sense? As have most people,
But I think we forget that, we get to own that,
take it for what it is.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Do you know? Like the most beautiful thing about that
is I don't even feel like you captured it or
meant it, but like you stand there right now with
Barry and fucking Chila or whoever is hanging out rent
free in your head, and you say life doesn't have
to be hard, like you're talking about some metaphorical hard thing,

(25:34):
and everyone else is listening, going, oh, you mean I
could get Barry and Chelas in my head and that's
still not a hard love. Like it shows the power
of perspective and gratitude and presence.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
But we all have access to that, right Tiff. And
I think I say this to my clients and a
regular basis, and this is this is me seeing and
hearing them and staring their face and truly holding space
of them. But sometimes your worst day isn't even someone's
best day. And I think when you I think being
in the mobility equipment industry, dealing with people who had

(26:13):
disabilities and people who were older and vulnerable, you know,
I did that for seventeen years. And before that, you know,
I would look after this young girl who had disability.
And you know, my first husband, he actually worked for
disability services. I've been around lots of different types of
people and it really puts your life into perspective. And

(26:35):
just when you think some shit is really fucking heavy
and really hard, you're there and you're it's service above self.
You're living in this moment of understanding that if we
can actually cultivate a gratitude attitude. And I never used
to be this person, like, let's be real, as an
absolute asshole. I was glasses half empty, atheist, cynical. Did
you ever see that show Diarrhia on MTV back in

(26:58):
the nineties, Oh go gole, Like there's dark check with
glasses and like long hair, wearing a turtle neck like
and I was just like I was at chick all
the time. And you know, I look at my life
now and it's like you can flip the script. But
you've also got to realize that sharing. People are scared

(27:21):
to share. People are scared to speak up and share
their truth and share their pain because they see it
as a sign of weakness. And you would see this
and what you do. But determination to push through, you know,
it is something that we have to learn only through challenge,

(27:42):
and so yeah, sure, like I could be having two
brain tumors right now and look they're fine, Like I'm
dealing with it. They're not they're not malignant, they're not
going to kill me. They fucked me up for a
real bit of time. Basically, couldn't string conversations together before
ten o'clock in the morning and after four o'clock in
the afternoon, which as a pet and a fitness instructor,
which a part of what I do, kind of.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Kind of sucks ideal.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Yeah, but you know, like I'm managing it through some
lifestyle changes, managing it through some biohacking interventions. I'm using
some supplementations. I don't take any medication I refuse, But
there is always a way. I think we're just going
to ask ourselves better questions. And so many of us
are welded to these questions like why me, Why does
this always happen to me? What's wrong with me? And

(28:25):
I think we need to start asking ourselves what can
I do, Who do I need? What do I want?
What matters to me? Right now? And I think the
quality of your life is dictated by the quality of
the questions you ask. And so instead of fucking going
back to chat GPT every goddamn day, wasting time creating

(28:46):
content pollution, let's ask ourselves as people, as human beings,
not human doings, what matters, what matters? And for me,
it's like spreading joy doing all the weird shit because
like it feels comfortable for me to be this nuance crazy,
like real loving bad us who shares memes as soon

(29:08):
as she wakes up, you know. And but it's but
it's actually like you, I am like it's it's there's
nothing fake about that. This is exactly I am in it.
We say what you see is what you get. It
abbregates to Wizzywig. I am Wizywig all over Wizzywig. But
we can all do this, but we've got to choose
to be vulnerable, be brave, be determined, be BUBLBD, be

(29:31):
courageous by sharing the pain and the suffering and the
bits that we kind of want to hide from the
highlight reel.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
When you talked before, I want to I want to
hear what you think or what you feel about that
idea of because because a lot of people like movement
and exercise is such a therapy, it's a process. It's
boxing itself is what reconnected me with my self in
order to reach in to the corners of my mind

(30:01):
and pull out stuff i'd suppressed because it was time.
And but equally, I've seen people, especially in something like boxing,
use it as a coping mechanism. One of my biggest
rants is doing the hard Sometimes doing the hard thing
is stopping the fucking hard thing that you're doing to
avoid whatever it is you're trying to avoid. Hear, So,

(30:24):
I'd love you to go on a little bit of
a tangent around how do how do we know if
we're processing or if we're using to suppress.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
I think people use a lot of external things as
crutches because, as you said, like they don't want to
face the thing, and so it becomes a distraction rather
than a cure or a process. I think there are
moments where you are going to distract yourself. I mean
like when my husband passed away, I showed up and
I was actually praised for how well I was coping.

(30:57):
Right Like I planned the funeral, I you know, did
all the paperwork on everything, there's like a whole heap
of shit that you don't know you have to do,
which is totally messed up. And you know, I would
reply to everybody's messages with like thanks, I'm doing okay
with a smiley face emoji.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Right, But.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
What I was going through. Productivity is not the same
as peace. And I think that just because we do
a thing and the mechanical act of doing the thing
and the kinesthetic process of doing the thing, what are
we processing on the other side of that? And I
think distraction is useful at times. I think medication can
be useful at times. I think crutches are there to support.

(31:40):
But if you're not doing the work and going deeper
and unpacking what is actually going on inside your brain,
inside your life, while you continue to attract the same
cycles and the same patterns and the same people and
the same bullshit, no amount of punching it out of
an objects or pushing heavy weights, or going and being

(32:01):
addicted to personal development courses is actually going to solve
your problems. It's the implementation and the action and the
transferrable skill set probably more than anything that you take
from that, and the lessons that you learn about yourself
that you actually take back into your life. Like as
an instructor and a personal trainer, especially as as a

(32:22):
pilates instructor, and like a group coaching specialist. I teach
people a lot of skills, right. I teach them about
determination doing things like yoga posas like it's fucking hard work.
You're standing there but for way longer than feels comfortable deliberately,
But there's a peacefulness and a stillness that we have
to find. We need to find the ease in the resistance.

(32:42):
And I think that if we can bring ourselves home
to like, what is it that I'm feeling right now?
What is the resistance? Am I pushing through or am
I pushing with it? I'm going with it? Or am
I going against it? That is what brings us home
to the truth. And that's a transferrable skill set that
we can take from those mechanical things and bring it
back to our life. So, you know, I always talk
about finding the ease and the resistance, but I also

(33:06):
talk about empty fullness and full emptiness and all at once.
It's about feeling whole and feeling grounded and feeling aligned.
And you know, if you're just going to something because
it feels like it's a good idea because your mate
invited you do a boxing class. But you know you're
going home every night and you're still having arguments with
your partner, and you're coping through alcohol and just covering

(33:31):
up your life's challenges through this badge of honor that
you wear called busy on your sleeve every single fucking day.
Like chances are this is not a medicine. It's actually
become some form of punishment, and so there is a
difference there. I think for me, the gym became I mean,

(33:52):
I wish people would. I wish doctors would prescribe exercise,
movement and as medicine and food as medicine more than
they do pills and potions and jabbing yourself with a needle.
But I also think you're right, like there is a
form of escapism we use, and I think that Netflix
can be an escapism. I mean, I binge watch RuPaul's
Drag Race, not because I care, but basically because some

(34:14):
days it feels like it requires less brain cells than
you know, replying to some other email again in my
inbox that's typed in cats lock and comic sands You know,
like I would just be like, fuck this shit and
I'll get a glass of wine. I'll sit on the
couch and binge watch it. But you know, I'm doing
the work on the other side of that. So I
think it's a judgment call for people to make to
go Are there other things in my life that are

(34:35):
changing because I'm doing this thing or the other things
staying the same and I'm doing this thing. Does that
make sense?

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yes? Yeah, always talk about it. It's our relationship with
the thing that is more important than the thing, and
that is true of our traumas, as it is true
of the things that we have in our life.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Totally agree with you on that. Also, this isn't vodka,
it is water bottle.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
It does say absolute raspberry. So inclined to how do
you process the like what there must have been emotions
and beliefs and stories that you inherited through the experiences

(35:22):
that you've had. I have had a huge journey over
my life with the idea of shame. And I had
this incredible experience in the Himalayas late last year where
we burned that we left on the mountain what we
didn't want to take home. We had and it was profound,
and I went it was this moment where I went,

(35:43):
what the fuck? Like, what do you mean? I feel
like I've been trying to deal with shame my whole life.
No one told me. I just had to write it
down and burn it on a fucking mountain and it
would go. And it was like, did this happen overnight
or did this happen over years? What's your experience with
kind of trying to pro and even I guess recognize

(36:04):
some of those beliefs or meanings you might have made
from experiences to rewrite them.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I think what you're explaining is like this giant exile
that we have when we realize, oh my god, like wow,
this is what it feels like to not carry that.
But I think also when we talk about like processing
and belief systems and value and understanding what it is
that we are carrying through and what changes, I think
sometimes like turning to the journeys of other people can

(36:33):
be really powerful because you know, success leaves clues and
so if you are stuck, you know, my biggest advice
to people is like who do you need? What do
you need right now? Not what you don't need, Like
I don't want to feel like this blah blah blah.
Finding someone who's been on some journey of some type
before you, who's on that same pathway, but there's just

(36:54):
this further ahead on that path than you are. Sometimes
being inspired by them and their processes. It doesn't mean
you have to follow verbatim and exactly as they did,
but it can give you some insights into like the
power of change and conscious connection with other people through narrative.
For me, using things like so like when I was

(37:14):
at the gym that first time, when I went down
and I was taken down to that area and the
conversations about having were really foreign to me. One of
the things that was mentioned to me is like, go
listen to podcasts and like water podcasts. Water podcast I
don't know what that is. I didn't know what podcasts were.
Like this is going to like this is twenty sixteen,
right before podcasts were a thing. This is pre COVID,
And it's funny, Like the guy that I would end

(37:36):
up marrying as my second husband, he was like obsessive
podcasts and so because I had always been a book
reader more like like sort of novels and stuff like that,
and so going down that personal development round and like
reading stories and picking up material not just like tangibly,
but like audibly. That really was this empowering process where

(37:58):
it started to help me even I did if I
what my values and belief systems even were, because I
had no awareness around any of that stuff. These are
not conversations that people have on a daily basis. People
like us have these conversations. But like, they don't teach
you shit in school. You know, they teach you that
one plus one equals window takes us back, right, It
takes me back back to the same school we shorted

(38:22):
with the Superman logos like classes right, right, right, right,
so you know, like right, but we don't get taught
this stuff. And I think there's a real big gap
in the education system. I mean, there are systems of
education like Steiner education where kids are really educated on
this sort of stuff. And if you understand about Rudolph

(38:42):
Steiner and all the things he stood for, there was
some weird shit, but anyway, we won't go into that.
But the methodology that he follows is that we're whole
beings and so we need to engage with lots of
different types of activities whether it's cultural or social, or
creative or intellectually driven. But we kind of like, I'm
like a heart shaped peg in a square hole. And

(39:04):
so when you're continuously like trying to jam yourself into
this system, that just goes up against you. I mean,
if you're a bit of a chameleon because you've got neurodivergent,
neurospicy brain shit going on, you typically can find and
forward your way. But for people that have no awareness
around that, you know, it is quite a struggle. And
this is where finding what you need like go and
search for it. You know, it's a combination of me

(39:27):
search and research, right, like do it for yourself, but
do it also for this entire external world to open
up to you. Because I swear like having those conversations
with those guys in the gym, so I never would
have engaged with people like that ever, Like I never
would have had conversations. I forced myself through invitation to

(39:48):
have those conversations. But I'm of the opinion now like
stop fucking waiting to be invited to your life that
you desire, Like just like you better have just apologizing later,
Oh fu, sorry, I should have probably said that I
overset them up, in my opinion, But you know, apology
is so much easy to do than than not doing
at all. And I think when we understand what our

(40:10):
belief systems are and our value systems, it's also really
important to understand that we are not welder to them.
They're not firm and stone, these things that we carry
through our life. Like you, I remember carrying a lot
of shame and guilt. I was actually sexually assaulted after
a drink was spiked about three weeks after I met
my first husband, and I remember my dad like blame

(40:31):
me for that, And I carried that for a really
long time, and watching videos as a child, Like only
recently I'm actually listening to the commentary of my father,
Like every time he films me, he's like, no, we
don't show off, you know, stop doing that, Lauren. And
there's this qat of like belittling language that sort of
sets this narrative tone that you know, I'm not allowed

(40:52):
to be myself. I'm not allowed to be extroverted and
showing off because I'm an exhibitionist, like I've been like
a performer my entire life. My earliest memories are being
on like my neighbour's balcony. They were childless couple singing
about pussy wagons because I knew all the words to
the grease songs. Not really how inappropriate that is actually,

(41:13):
but they let me do it, and I would like
get dressed up, and I would like plan skits with
my friends, and my friends would come asleep by, and
we have like the plays and these skits that we
do for my parents. I like, learn all these songs
and mime and like. But then I'm told this voice, like,
not allowed to do that. We don't like show offs,
blah blah blah. And so that became this narrative that
kind of constructed this identity and value system. You're allowed

(41:34):
to stand out. You have to sort of blend in
with the back wall and be a bit of like
a fly on the wall, and you know, observe and
you know, just get smart, because like, people don't like
you because you're ugly and you fucking dress like a boy,
and you're a weirdo because you have a weird sense
of human like, all of those things and those layers
of values and identity then construct themselves over the top

(41:57):
of you. But it was when I actually started reading
and listening to Tony Robbins mainly male voices, but like
all these people and it's like Ashley like you can
break that shit. I'm like, fuck yeah, But then you've
got to work out what does I have to replace
that with? And so it's not a linear path by
any means, Like I mean, we think that this is

(42:18):
where we're stuck, and this is us to be unstoppable,
and it isn't just go like this. It's like a convoluted,
fucked up, broken, discombobulated path that kind of takes us
like this. And I think that we get this wrong
because we think that, oh, well, if I just do
this and this and then I pay for this other
course and then I do this project and then I
go and walk on hot coals and I read this book,
Oh my life is going to be fucking amazing, because

(42:40):
that person said that it would be. That's where we
get really stuck, because then we don't live up to
the expectations that we set us on ourselves, which were
false anyway, because we were trying to follow someone else's journey.
If we just take a whole bunch of people, I
look at little individual parts of every single one of
those persons journey and then like bring that together our

(43:00):
own journey. That is kind of the best solution in
terms of what I've experienced. To get yourself. It's like,
you want as much exposure to as many people's stories
and as many people's value systems and as many people's
beliefs and ideologies and theories about humanity and then just
make up your own shit, give yourself a fuck a

(43:20):
round them time to like Motormanto and I mean, gives
a shit, just be that person, like who cares.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
I love the idea of you know, doing things I
think later in life for me doing things that are
not like me, doing things that are totally out of
my life. Sometime last year, I did an improv workshop.
Never done something like that in my life. In fact,
I had a guest on my show I'd Never Hurt
someone referred to this and oh, they're the best improv coach,

(43:49):
one of the best improv coaches in the world. And
I was like, what the fuck's improv is? Improv? I
don't know, but I don't know what that word meaned.
To google it and I'm like, oh, I'm researching. I'm like,
so they pretend, yeah, like just make shit up and
play games, like that's what do they coach? Are they

(44:12):
coach for people and they do that as a method
or do they coach people?

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Like how is that a thing? Like how is that
even a thing? Like what care is that?

Speaker 2 (44:21):
And then I start talking to them and in my mind,
I'm picturing the metaphor of what boxing was to me
and my life, and I was like, I think that
I think that improv could be another boxing ring for me.
I think that I might learn something about going into
this space. But and when I did that, all of
a sudden, I'm around these people that like, here I

(44:41):
am with my fucking deltz and shit, hanging out in
my muscletop, and I'm hanging out with artie people and
weird people from other suburbs that aren't like me with
glasses hats and that have never thrown a punch in
their life or seen a fucking dumbbell. And I'm like,
this is liberating. The one is a big place, like
we just learned so much about ourselves, but we end

(45:04):
up in echo chambers all the time.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yeah, And there's space for everybody, right, and everybody can
forge your own uniqueness and everyone's just so much trying
to be like everybody else, Like all these influencers are
their ideas about exactly how you have to do your life.
I'm like, you are full of fucking shit. You are
full of shit. You don't live my life, you don't
understand my story. That's okay, I'm going to learn something
from you. But this is how cults get created. You

(45:27):
you know, I'm reading a book at the moment by
a guy called Mark Manson. He's the author of The
Subtle Art and Not Giving a Fuck. And the book
I'm reading is called Everything's Fucked, a Story about Hope,
and it's a blue book and it's very interesting. There's
a whole chapter on how to start your own religion,
and it's so funny because it's like, this is where
we've sort of pulled ourselves into which we just I mean,
we've got mirror neurons, right, and so we are programmed

(45:48):
to be like monkey, see monkey, you do like it is.
It is how we're energetically and genetically programmed to learn
and live and grow. But also we've got to a
point where, like, you know, you've got these really big
voices with really deep pockets and very large budgets who
then get in your feed and all up in your
grill telling you that you have to do it, this
is the only way to do it. But like, you know,

(46:11):
informed consent, right, Like, you don't need to buy into
that shit. You don't need another handbag or another workout
or another smoothie to change the quality of your life.
You just need to start asking yourself what it is
that you actually want, also what it is that you
don't want. I think that's equally important. But putting your
souls in those positions of really foreign spaces like improv

(46:32):
is amazing. I grew up doing improv. Like it's theater sports,
like where you're given LATAs and you're just going to
like rite it, like I have no idea what is
about to happen. And you've got a group full of
people who are all autonomous. I'm like, you've all got
to like work together, and so it's it messes your
brain up, yeah, but it's good. It's stretching them. It's
stretching the brain right, Like, And if we think about

(46:54):
ourselves as these neuroplastic creatures that have the capacity to
grow new synapses and find new routes, like people just
I don't think they give themselves the credit where the
credit is due of like, actually, how smart our bodies
are adapting to change. I just watched a documentary about
a plane that crashed in Colombia a few years ago,

(47:17):
and like three adults died, but four kids survived in
the jungle in Colombia for forty days. Shit like imagine right,
like and it was like a twelve year old with
three siblings and one including a baby. She kept them alive.
They ate like raw fish out of the river, like
just the sheer will to survive and not die. Like

(47:38):
how adaptable is the humans? I mean there were days
away from death when they got found. But you know,
I watched things like that, and I'm like, holy shit,
Like you know, we're so much bigger than our bodies
give us credit for. That's a line out of a
song by John Mayer. But you know, like it's I
think that we just forget, we forget that actually we are.
We're actually quite amazing, but we're kind of like tried,

(48:01):
like society tries to box us all in all of
the time, like literally and figuratively with you, And so
I think you're right. Sometimes you find yourself the most
in the weirdest and most obscure places, Like you're finding
yourself an improv me finding my dorky self with an
IT degree in a gym, Like what are the fuck
of those situations? Right? But like, yeah, you've got to

(48:22):
expand your consciousness and I think we can do that
through you know, the collective expansion of consciousness and that.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Decision to.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
You know, grow as a as a as a group,
as a community, as a culture. You know, we stilo
ourselves so much, and especially with work now, Like you know,
I think people don't want to work from home anymore.
They're like fucking sick of bean in the kitchen to
eat and to work. You know, people want to be social.
We are social beings, and so this is our power

(48:54):
of storytelling, coming back to that storytelling narrative, transition, change, growth, challenge, trauma,
you know, success, happiness, joy.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I think this relationship we have with ourself as in
the the entity, the part of our mind that it does,
like there's a part that we have control of. We
get to direct, get to direct, I get to choose
to observe thoughts. But those thoughts are a part of

(49:26):
my mind that I'm observing because it is like a
fucking runaway train, and we I think there's massive power
in like keeping that front and center and coming from
life from a place of not of like okay, like
my mind is like a naughty new eight week old puppy.

(49:47):
I bring it in and if I don't keep taking
it out to the grass, it's going to piss on
the carpet again and again and again and again. And
I yep, push the back drop down on my head
when I'm on a podcast, you know, and it's like,
that's that's our mind. It's like, we've got to I
gotta take it here. This is how we do this.
This is how we do this, and if we don't,
it's gonna shot on the carpet.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
But also there's a point of stillness that we need
to remember, we have to recognize, right because I don't
know about you, but sometimes the best ideas happen when
I'm not thinking about them. You can't normally think your
way to a solution. And so finding a place for
stillness in the busyness of modern life, I think there.
I mean, there is a lot more science that's emerging.
I mean, we fucking know it. We know it. I mean,

(50:29):
it's we know it, but then we've got the studies
that show it now. But you know, like bringing ourselves
to a place of stillness where we actually give ourselves
the emotional bandwidth to just sit in whatever the fuck
comes to us. Those are the times when we actually
get our best ideas. But I think so many of
us are, you know, just trying to run our lives

(50:51):
with our wheels just turning on the spot, with these
handbrake shammed on all the time, that we we get
mixed up, and that we think, think that movement is momentum,
but it's not. It's not when we need that momentum
in our lives to you know, keep us moving forward.
But I think it's really important to also take that

(51:12):
time to step away from yourself and look at the
bigger picture and have quiet moments. I mean, people are
scared of stillness. I used to be petrified of stillness, right,
especially people with minds that are neurodivergent, where we've got
like twenty thousand fucking tabs open all that once because
that we just run parallel projects all day long. Right.
My husband doesn't understand that. He's like, just do one thing,

(51:34):
but you know you can still do, you can still
satisfy all of your curiosities of life. Like I'm a
coach and a content creator. I'm also in a band now,
you know. I do backup vocals in bands. I freaking
you know, do a lot of fun stuff in my life.
But I give myself permission to try lots of things.
And I always just say yes and build the plane

(51:55):
while I'm flying it. You know, sometimes I say no,
and no is also a full sentence, and I think
realizing where your boundaries are, but then saying yes to
the things that feel like they're in alignment. Sometimes things
feel like icky, like doing your first aid every fucking
three years and refreshing your CPR, like I don't know,
I just have to do by it. I was like,
oh god, damn it, I got to send a whole
day doing that shit. But you know, but there's an

(52:17):
outcome there that I know is going to be important
to satisfy. But it's I think, also bringing ourselves back
to what those boundaries are, because you know, so many
of us are stretching ourselves so thin, because we're trying
to be all these things to everyone. Like I've got
this like life where I don't do things on weekends
typically unless they really are going to be important to

(52:38):
me and the goals that I have in the person
I want to become. I don't do things after hours.
I don't go to networking groups before a certain time
of the day, after a certain time of the day.
On certain days, I have certain days where I give
myself the opportunity to have conversations. But then that gives
me the freedom and the flexibility and the bandwidth and
the space for more awesome shit to drop into because
I haven't filled and overstretched myself, which is what I

(53:00):
used to do all the time and got burnt out
multiple times. And you know, burnout is such a torrib.
It's like it's a terrible thing. I mean, hospitalized multiple
times to burn out, and I do not recommend it,
but I think that realizing that we do have to
have opposing types of energy, like life isn't polarizing. It's

(53:21):
not all or nothing. It's where life happens. Is that
awesome cosmic space that sits between the dark and the night,
the love and the shame, the life and the death.
You know, it's a spectrum. And if we play in
the spectrum and all the colors and the glitter of
that spectrum. That's actually where we get those enriching expirences
that actually can change your trajectory of our lives and

(53:42):
help us become the people that we deserve to become.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Listen to you, fair bloody hours, mate, Just gold nuggets
dropping in every nugget. I did warn you nuggets, you did,
but you've over delivered nuggets.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
You're gonna be pink pink nuggets, pink glittery pink, not
even made out of goal some shitty fucking plastic nugget.
Carve it in cheap glitter, but it's biodegradable.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Did I say recently that you had three D printed
a model of yourself?

Speaker 3 (54:17):
I haven't got it yet. Yeah, so I'm waiting for
that to come. Yeah. So the company reached out to
me because it was a big there's a bit of
a portion. There was like a bit of a trend
on socials of people like turning themselves into these boxed characters.
I don't know if you ever did that, people like
chap me into like a Barbie in a box or
some shit. And so I did that. I did that.
I just jumped on and like jumped on the bandwagon.

(54:37):
And then this mob like saw my photo and they're like,
oh my god, can we actually do this for real?
I'm like, oh, okay, I didn't know we could do that.
So I went into this little space. I have got
a real up of me doing this, and they're like,
they've got this space. It's in a hair salon. It's
really random. But inside this hair salon, I've got this
set up with eighty five cameras and you stand in
this space and it takes all these different photos of

(54:57):
you from different angles and then it prints you went
three D. So I'm waiting for that to come. I
was hoping it would come this week, but I think
it will be next week. They'll probably contact me so
I'll get some more content out when that. When that aris,
it's going to be very interesting.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Oh I definitely send me. I will be putting that
up with all of this episode.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Very random, Yeah, because there's the stuff you can say
yes too, right, Someone's like, okay, were three D print you?
I'm like, okay, why not? Why why would I say it?
Or something like that.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
When we were in at the conference, one of the
people in the course that I'm doing with Jacqueline. The
speaking course is Jacqueline's got the Blue Apple stress Balls brand.
They were like, I've got your I've got your thing.
You're you're what's it called. What's that ship called? We
call that stuff?

Speaker 3 (55:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Okay, merch the word of it. Merch you merch idea.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
She was like, oh, you have to see my merch.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Oh, show me, show me, show me. But oh that
is the bits.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Yeah, I have these. I call them stress but stress butzers.
But you're gonna find something on the lines. I say
this the reason I've got these, well, I call them
stressed buttsters because I always say, like, never do anything
half ass, always use your full ass. So I have
a hashtag which is like hashtag never half ass.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
So I got like playing in detail to the listeners
who can't see that image.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
So it is approximately a seven centimeter by five centimeter
by three centimeter stress ball that is an actual shape
of a butt, a giant booty wearing a plink G string.
So the G string is separate and so you can
flick the G string. So if you've got like sensory
of shit, oh my god, you squeeze these asses like

(56:47):
you squeeze asses. I have really random match, but you've
got it, like merch is hilarious, Like you can go
so weird with merch that represents your brand. But she's
got the app she's got the apples, and I've got butts.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Oh yeah, well I'm jealous.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Now you need like you need like some what are
you gonna what are you gonna do by steps?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Well, the suggestion was a bubblehead boxer to put it
on the coun on card dashboard.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
That's fire, it's freaking great. That's great, or like or
just like little boxing myths, like some really random because
you can get those sorts of things really cheap on masks,
like they're gonna be practical as well. But I think
a bubblehead boxer could be good. Bubbleheads are the best,
oh aren't they? Yeah? Yeah, but get you can get

(57:33):
yourself free printed into a three D printed into a
bubble head. You can, oh wait, let me know when
the merch shots.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Oh, I'll keep you posted. Tell my listeners where they
can find you, follow you and get more laws in
their life.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Well, I try and be everywhere, but the point of truth,
the single point of truth is my website, which is
lawslife dot com. If you put a dot au you'll
still fine. I'm internationals. I'm everywhere, but anywhere on social media.
So if you just start typing in l O z
A n T, it will automatically fill in the rest
of that because you won't know how to spell it
anton Enko. It's just like l O z A n T.

(58:10):
It's a bright yellow background of me. If you can't
see me, I have a face that looks like it's
not real. It looks like but yeah, you'll find me everywhere.
I'm on most social media platforms. I'm going to be
doing a lot more content on YouTube now. So my
YouTube channel is loss of Life, but Lot's Life is
the name of my business. Just because people can't spell Antonenko,

(58:30):
but you can still type in lots Antonenko dot com
and still get taken to shit as well. I've covered
all bases at this point.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
It's so weird because anton Enko is actually a really easy,
easy phonetic pronounced name. Is I get it like, I
had to look three times, and I had to look again.
I had to look because I copy this into my
diary and then I write it down and then I
opened the thing and I had to name the studio
self saves under your name. I'm Michael's it Anton. No,
I've got to get this right. And how do I

(58:58):
say that? I'm like, it's three. It's so freaking easy.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
I know, I know. Tell the lady at the post officer.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Oh, well you've been I mean on knew you were
going to be amazing, but even far more amazing than
I could have ever expected. Thank you so much for
coming on and chatting and sharing your life and your
story and your wisdom with us.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Well, look, I just appreciate you holding the space for
my chatterbox mouths here. It's been you know, it's been
great to share space with someone who's equally random and
to have a conversation. You know, it's two people that
just met at an event over a pair of pants.
Here we are, so how cool is that?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
My best one of my best mates used to be
my housemate, and we had this saying because we used
to train together and one of us would say, what
are you wearing shorts today? And the other would go,
if you wear shorts, I wear shorts, So that become
our saying you wear shorts, I were shorts and meant
were all going to do the same thing. So los
you wear pants, I wear pants.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Not don't normally wear pants, So you just have ago.
It's business at the top, party at the bottom. You
have no idea what I've got on. Oh God, over
and out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I feel like you are gonna be a replica of
that stress ball, but let's leave that to everybody's imagination.
Thank you so much, Thanks everyone for tuning, and go
check out Laws. She's amazing, she said.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
It's now never I got fighting in my blood.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
It