March 5, 2025 • 46 mins
Today Harps and I are talking all things learning and learning potential.. The 61-year-old PhD candidate and the spontaneous, overnight pianist (that's me, apparently).
It's fascinating how much we can learn and evolve when we give things a shot and find ourselves in the right environment with the right learning style that engages us. Best part is it keeps us young, sharp and always growing! I loved this chat.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Get a team.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Welcome to another episode of Rob with the Punches podcast.
Thanks for tuning in. We are talking today to Craig Harper.
I'm your host, by the way, TIF Cook.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
If you are.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Listening for the first time, welcome, If not, welcome back.
And we're talking Harps today. We're talking about all things
learning and trying new things and learning styles. Because I
had the bright idea after watching a movie the other night,
I had a bright idea and raced out the next
day bought was self a piano.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So I am obsessed with a new hobby right now
and we're talking about that.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
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Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'll get a cook, I'll get a Harps. How are
you going very good? Thanks?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
As the fledgling as fucking hell. Every time I open
up Facebook or LinkedIn or That's or fucking Instagram, tif's
got a new a new thing, which usually lasts somewhere
between three hours and three weeks. So at the moment
(01:47):
she's taken up at the ripe young age of forty two,
she's taken up piano.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Play corrections one is forty two yet, so settle down.
May May the first, when you're ready to buy me
my that's when I turned forty two.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And secondly, the last, the last.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Thing lasted a good decade boxing I stuck out for
more than three hours or three mints.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That definitely was not the last thing.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, you've got it to be telling Harps, you've got
to you've got to give things to go. You just
never know what's going to grab you.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
You know what, I remember when you were going to
be the next Rembrandt. For about eight minutes, you started
sketching sixteen hours a day. That's right, you like, look
at me, look at me. I'm an artist. I'm an artist.
And then all this art's going up on social media.
Everyone's like, you're talented, you're talented now not doing it anymore,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Hard to get It's hard to get started because you
finish a you finish your sketch, and then there's so
much of the shit part of trying to draw something
until it starts to take shape.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And I'm really, really shit at that part of the process.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah. I also feel like you took up Brazilian jiu
jitsu for about eight minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, that was about eight minutes. That was two weeks,
two weeks for that. But I showed promise. I showed
promise there.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah, good, yep, Yep, you opned a couple of
a couple of gyms for about a month and a half. Yep,
you go that that a good crack.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I learned good lessons there. I learned good lessons things
to figure out what doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's my year.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I always say that, it's I call it anti goal setting.
You know, sometimes you've got to do shit or to
figure out what you don't want in your life. Sometimes
when I'm talking to people, I do look like a
train driver today, don't I.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You just don't get that hat right.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I'm just adjusting my hat everybody. But I often when
I'm talking to people who you know, they like they
know that they're not where they want to be, but
they don't know where that actually is clearly, you know.
In fact, I had a really big chat on Friday
with somebody who's quite well known to the podcast and
(04:00):
quite well known in general, and it's just obviously not
going to mention too, but yeah, just trying to figure
out like a few things have happened in this person's
life and just things are a bit blah. But it's
really hard when things are blah and you don't know
what the thing that you want is. It's not like
(04:21):
it's not like, oh look I've got to roll up
my sleeves and do all this work. It's like, I
don't even know what the fucking destination that I want is.
I don't know what. I just know it's not here.
So that's that place of not being where you want
to be in the moment, but also not sure where
you want to go. That's probably quite common.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Maybe, yeah, definitely, I reckon it is, and I think
it is hard to get the answer of what we
need and it comes down to try new things like
that was a pretty spare of the moment decision to
whip out and buy it. That was like that happened
in a twelve hours a year?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
People, what you did? So?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I watched well when I was in Tazzy. If I
wind it back, when I was in Tazzy, I was
thinking to myself, I would like I would like a
hobby or an interest that is unrelated to fitness boxing.
Boxing really ticks a big box for me when I'm
competing and when I'm not. It doesn't have that sense
(05:23):
of purpose. And that's what I like about the idea
of a hobby or an interest that has a sense
of purpose, of challenge, of getting better, of a reason
to push through when things are difficult. And I didn't
know what that would look and feel like. And what's
even funnier is about a month ago I got a
new client and he said to me, I could I
(05:46):
could give you piano lessons if you want, randomly out
of nowhere, And I was like, really interested in learning
the piano. And then I watched this movie on Netflix
on Saturday night. I took Saturdays off. Now it's a
new thing. Watched a movie it was about a drummer
and this music teacher reminded me of my boxing coach,
(06:10):
who's quite brutal, probably a ramped up version I'm and
this guy was quite hard and abusive and rough.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
But JK. Simmons, that old ball dude who's the Yeah,
he's a motherfucker And that isn't it?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah? Yeah? Great? I really And by the end of
the movie I was just loving it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But and I guess because I saw my boxing coach
in that film, and then maybe it shifted my relationship
with the idea.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Of learning music. And so by the next day I
was out.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I'd done a hard dive research into pianos and went
out and bought myself a digital piano and I'm playing it.
I'm playing that bad boy. I just played something like
what is It Someone You Love? By Lewis Capaldi. I
just learned that today, just saying but can you read music?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No? But I'm only no, I cannot.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
There's But you know what the great thing is, I've
gone out chat GPT had gave me the ability to
actually learn what I need in a piano because I
was like, oh, I We'll just go buy keyboard for
fifty bucks. Once I started asking questions in chat GBT,
I've got heaps of clarity about what's important, what do
I need, what should I look for? How much am
(07:21):
I going to spend so I've got the right piece
of equipment.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And then there's apps that teach.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You, you know, how to you can play along with
them and they give you lessons, and so I'll learned
to read music along the way. And in the interim
you can kind of just google different songs that you
can learn to play, just so that you can play
something that you don't not just doing boring scales or
trying to bang the right key at the right time.
It's really fun. I wanted to, you know. And I
(07:49):
also and punched into chat GPT what are all the
benefits because this is the stuff I'll fall back on too.
How good it is for your brain, how good it
is for your mind creativity, like your ability, So it's
all those transferrable skills. It's like, well, I got frustrated
and I decided to put work boundaries in because I
(08:11):
feel like my creativity is stifled because I don't have
time and I'm you know, all of that jazz and well,
now I can do a hobby that cultivates creativity and
that will come in handy with what I do.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
So it's all that cool stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It's amazing we're using. I think it's the left hemisphere
of your brain as logic right as creative, so you
kind of and if you're not, I mean you're pretty creative.
I'm quite creative. I reckon I'm a bit of an
anomaly because I'm probably more creative than logical, but not
(08:47):
maybe even Stephen. But I'm not really cut out for academia,
which is hilarious for somebody to doing the shit that
I'm doing. But when you told me you were doing that,
I was thinking apart from the fact that you're learning music,
which is I love music, I mean I learned. I've
still got three guitars. I've still got a guitar that
(09:08):
just sits at the end of my bed in my bedroom,
and I still pick it up once a week and
fuck around with it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
But I learned my band.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, I could fuck everyone's going to flock to see
you and me out of tune, just wailing on like
fucking cats. But there's something very for me anyway, very
therapeutic about like I learned guitar for about ten years,
and I'm still like I can play. I'm not a
(09:35):
brilliant guitarist, but I can pick up a guitar after
I can not touch a guitar for two years and
pick up and play something reasonably well. But I'm never
I don't think I've ever even spoken about that on
this show. But there's something that happens to your nervous
system and your brain and depending on you know what
kind of music you're playing. You know, your heart rate
(09:58):
and your blood pressure and all that great shit, when
when you just get lost a little bit, and the
more that you play, the less you're using your mind,
so to speak, and the more it becomes just an
autonomous process where you know, like you drive somewhere and
you get this somewhere. You get to somewhere and you
can't remember turning on indicators or pushing in the clutch
(10:21):
or change it or depending on what kind of guy
you drive, but like you just get there without thinking
too much because it's something that you do naturally. And
it's like that with music too. You just get into
that place without having to focus on where do I
put my fingers, where do I put my fingers. Next,
how do I strum this? How do I hold this string?
Or how do I hit this? You know this sharp
(10:42):
key and this minor key on the piano or whatever
it is. You know, So what how did you figure
out what kind of So it's an electric piano, So
it's a keyboard on a stand kind of right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, So there's there's electric pianos or digital piano as
they call them, and you can so basically, and what
I was looking for was an eighty eight key digital
piano that had weighted keys, which replicate a real piano.
So key A lot of keyboards will either have soft
touch keys.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
And then playing it feels like a piano. Yeah yeah,
and what okay, did you buy a new did you
buy a secondhand wedge buy? How much did it cost?
I mean, these are the things everyone wants to know.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I did a little hunt on marketplace. That's where I started.
So I started just looking at keyboards. I was like, sweet,
there's a fifty dollar keyboard up in Corfield. I'll go
grab that tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And then I.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Started asking questions.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Then I just started doing comparisons on the types that
I found in marketplace, asking chat GPT to give me comparison,
does these great breakdowns, giving me graphs and what's better
and why and who should buy this particular model. And
that's kind of where I landed with the research. And
then I found the one that I wanted, which was
(11:58):
a role in FP. They're about five six hundred dollars
for one with a stand second hand, and I just
reached out to a bunch of people, basically the first
one that could say yes to me. I was about
to pick that bad boy up and is in good Nick,
It's in great Nick, It's in great what's funny with pianos?
(12:18):
A lot of people seem to there must be it
must be a thing. I went to pick it up
and this chick had a garage full of pianos, and
one of the other guys I was inquiring with I
could tell that he had several pianos listed as well. So, yeah,
it must be a weird thing where they just don't
buy and sell pianos and make a fortune.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Oh really, yeah, I wonder how, and so what do
they retail at those.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I think I've got lots of numbers in my head.
I think that you can get a stand and like
the package I got which was on a stand with
a stool. Then you get it for about just under
a thousand, and.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
What do you pay it?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And I paid six hundred.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Oh good, it's good. Good.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well, we will be the audience and I will be
checking in in about a month just to see how
the musical. Of course it will be flourishing, it'll be
playing dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You might all be buying tickets to my concert by then.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I can't you and Lewis Capaldi just doing a team effort,
at joint effort.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
To contact him. How good is he?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I love him? And people don't know him. Yeah, he's
just like I'm sure a lot of our but some
of our older audience might not know. But he what's that?
What's his mental issue? Like he suffers from direct and
also like real anxiety and stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
In fact, they've got a Netflix documentary on him that's
worth working.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Watched it. Yeah, And sometimes like there's been a few
times where he kind of freezes or loses a bit
on stage and the audience sings for him and they
love him so much.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's so good. That gives me goosebumps thinking of that.
That was the most powerful that went viral that clip
where he just kind of froze and forgot is what
I couldn't couldn't sing and the whole like millions of
put them well, I don't know thousands of people at
least just.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Seeing thousands of that. And but how I mean, how
gifted is he? How great is his music? How great
it is, and how much of a natural is he?
Like like it goes to show you like his and
I mean with this full I mean this with respect.
He's like almost the anti hero because he doesn't give
(14:41):
a fuck. Like there's no image, there's no makeup, there's
no you know how everybody's like manicured within an inch
of their life. Yeah, like just walking out t shirt pants,
just hanging out, talking shit, laughing. Yeah. So I love that.
Just a musical prodigy, Isn't it good?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Now? How with you know, the way Netflix and documentaries
and that have gone that we actually get access to
seeing the reality behind the scenes that everyone struggles and
some people didn't start off, you know, like Ed Sheeran,
how not talented he was to begin with, and you
just go, oh, wow, that might be me, Harps.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That's what I'm saying, bro.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
That could be you. You could be the latest fucking
musical prodigy, the latest blooming musical. No, I think prodigy
is somebody that's young. You actually, well, no, what I
mean is generally when someone talks about a prodigy, a
musical or sporting prodigy, it's somebody that's very young. Now,
I'm I'm not saying that you're not going to be,
you know, the next big thing. I'm fully expecting that
(15:45):
you are good good, I'm not holding my breath. But
at the same time, but you don't like that, I
mean you, You and I have spoken about this, maybe
once on air, but a few times off. Fair Like
the thing that I've I've always been I've wanted to
(16:05):
do but never been brave enough to do is comedy, right, because,
by the way, everyone, I don't think I'm fucking hilarious
at all, right, but I've been told many many times
by people, you should do some comedy because you're a
bit amusing, right. And when I do my gigs, when
I do workshops or keys, you know, you're literally in
front of an audience. But the beauty of that, the
beauty of that environment is nobody's there going all right, Well,
(16:29):
it's your job to be funny. Because there's no expectation
or pressure for me to be funny. Then it allows
me to be funny and tell a funny story, or
be inappropriate or do something fucking stupid. But the few times,
probably honestly more than a few times where I've been whatever, inappropriate, funny,
(16:49):
and all of a sudden you look up and there's, however,
many people, like a whole room of people laughing at
some shit you just said, Fuck it's fun I'm like, yeah,
I could understand, like where you've got a whole lot
of like a whole room of people. One day at
Deacon when we had about seven hundred, I remember looking up.
I can't even what I've done, told one of my
(17:12):
stupid stories, but I just remember looking and seeing essentially
seven hundred people laughing their asses off and just an
auditorium full of happy faces and smiles, And I thought, fuck,
this is this is like a social narcotic, Like this
could be very addictive, no wonder, no wonder, comedians love
(17:36):
get that, Like I could see how that would be
somewhat mentally and emotionally intoxicating, But I just and it's funny.
All the shit that I've done, you know, like TLLY
Radio podcast standing in front of like, I've done a
live gig in front of four thousand people. I would
rather do a live gig in front of ten thousand
(17:56):
people speaking gig than Hey, Craig, here's seven strangers. You've
got to walk out and be funny for five minutes.
That terrifies me.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
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a deep dive learning obsession, I end up going in
so hard that my brain feels absolutely smashed. So I
want to share with you all secret weapon that I
have been trying recently and I love it. It is called
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(18:27):
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to try that too. It is this tiny, little green
shot and it's got lines, maine, mushrooms, vitamins, c d ashwaganda,
all of the good stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Pretty much.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You might call it rocket fuel for overachievers. Best part
don't have to open six different bottles to get everything,
because that's what makes me not take things. Just pop
it out of the fridge. Jack it down the hatch
and boom ready for the day. Anyway, I love it.
I reckon you should give it a shot, and so
what I did there, give.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It a shot. Link will be a tool in my
show notes. Have a look.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
It is the most it'd have to be the most
resilient type of art performing artist. I remember, I feel
pretty recently. I think it was Geraldine Hickey. I think
she's quite funny. She's a really good comedian. I've seen
her a couple of times live and I must have
seen a real of hers that was from way back,
and it was quite clunky and kind of reminds you that, Yeah,
(19:32):
even the best comedians, they start out because it's all
in the delivery and the like. Sometimes you pick apart
what they say and it's just in their mannerisms and
their delivery, which is what they have to perfect. And
you can't perfect that at home, writing it down and practicing.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
In the mirror.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You have to do that in front of people. It's
really just a test of resilience.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Ah, yeah, I don't have it. I'm too scared. It's
like I like to some times think I'm a fucking
alpha male warrior. I'm definitely not I'm a big baby.
But you know who's brilliant at what you're talking about?
From there are many but Carl Baron.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Oh and because like some of the shit he says,
it's just like it's four out of ten funny, but
his face and his timing and his body language and
the bullshit he does all that physical comedy with his body,
it's a fifteen.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Out of ten. But then the combination of the reasonably
good kind of content or jokes, but then his delivery
and the way that he does it, like you couldn't
teach someone to do his act, Like if another comedian
did his act, wouldn't be funny.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, yeah, he is so funny. I love him. It's
something about also a lot of really funny comedians like
that they really play on almost like making dumbing themselves down.
So they're really smart people, but often they you know,
they're playing stupid in a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well, think about all the moving parts in that one.
You've got to have pre prepared content material of course,
but also there's going to be there's going to be
an element in every show, well with good comedians anyway,
where there's ad live, there's interaction, there's some pissed bloke
in the fourth row giving you shit, and then you've
(21:27):
got to navigate him or her, And then you've got
to like not get pissed off, because imagine if you
got angry, like that's going to make everything very unfunny,
and then you've got to deal with that. You've got
to stay on tracks. You've got to not get derailed
for the You know, if you're at say I don't
know the palais, and you're a comedian, there's two thousand
(21:47):
people there and one bloke's being a fucking idiot, you've
got another nineteen hundred and ninety nine that are not
being an idiot. It'd be easy to get derailed depending
on what's going on and trying to navigate all of
that and just be like, tell shit like you've never
told it before it as well, yeah, like imagine how
(22:08):
many times some of them have told those same jokes,
and to bring the right energy where it's like I've
never told this before, but no, you've told that the
last three hundred nights in a row.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah I should give it a crack.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
No, definitely not, but thank you. But what I do
like is I like I like the idea, and I
guess maybe this could. We don't need a theme for shows,
we're just having to talk. But what I love is
that at forty one, let's be honest, forty twoish, at
forty two, wish you are doing something that's brand new.
(22:45):
It's not like, oh, yeah, you used to play piano
and you've had a couple of decades off.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Right, it's very I like that you do seem to
get pretty good at things pretty quick. I mean, you
took up boxing at twenty nine and ended up winning
a whole bunch of professional, well sanctioned fights. Right, it's
not like, you know, and you'd never thrown a punch
in anger, well not in that kind of sense anyway,
(23:12):
until you're almost thirty, which is very late to start
a very high demand, bhusyical full contact sport. And then
I don't know when you started drawing, but the first
time I've known you for a long time before I
saw you draw anything, then I'm like, and it was
fucking brilliant, which is very annoying. So I'm genuinely interested
(23:38):
to see how good you can get playing keyboards before
the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, it's once there's an interest. I am straight down
the rabbit hole, like once I've got an interest in
something I can and like I said before, there's a
mechanism to understand the value beyond so that when I
get annoyed at this or you know, I've got to
practice a certain part of it, I know the other
(24:04):
reasons I'm doing it like it was shit turning up
to boxing are plenty of the time getting punched in
the face and punched in the face, and punching the
face and always feeling the shittest and never thinking you're
good enough and never being fit enough and getting punched
in the face and getting punched in the face because
you're always put in with people better than you, because
that's the point, And so you have to understand your
reasons behind it in order to keep doing it.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And so I.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Feel like I highlighted enough of those to myself in
learning the piano to warrant going out with this bright
idea twelve hours after thinking of it to invest in
a piano.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But you know, what's a real contradiction with you, and
I'm going to throw you under the bus, But you
know what I'm about to say is true, So you
know you can do this, you can go, fuck, I
just watched a movie about this brilliant musician and this
beautiful kind of this amazing coach who I'm going to
become a musician. So within twenty four hours you go
out and buy a new instrument that never played, do
(25:01):
the research, get the instruments, start playing it, and within
twenty four hours you're posting shit on social media if
you playing the piano, which is fucking hilarious and by
the way, if someone who's never played reasonably impressive. But
if you've got to do a speaking gig in three weeks,
you won't give it any fucking thought until you're driving there,
and then you'll ring me up in a panic, going
(25:24):
I was thinking of doing this. What do you think
about that? I'm like, here's an idea. You've known, you've
had it for fucking six months. Why don't you channel
some of that piano energy on this speaking gig. You've
got like you can be so focused or so completely
a dog with three dicks who's just like out.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Of control, and do you like I have learned that
there's so much of that erraticness that I just need
to accept and find my own way of rain because
I've hated parts of that for a long time and
(26:04):
gotten mad about it and been like I'm just shit,
I'll never I'll never be this or that, And it's like, Okay,
this is a hardwired part of me. There's the part
of this is a blessing. I just need to understand
for me, what's the best way for me to work
around this, what's the best way for me to learn
how to plan or prepare for something? Because I think
(26:25):
I need I think it's that level of enthusiasm and
excitement that actually makes things work when I do do them.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But what happened, what happens when it like for our listeners,
I think, by the way, and forget the musical destiny,
who of course you're with biggest things and slice bread,
as Mary harpists, whatever the fuck that means? Oh, bigger
than slice bread, because slice bread is huge. What was
in the forties when Mary was grown up? What a
(26:57):
revelation that was? What an innovation that was in the kitchen?
Put away your knife, it's already sliced. Fucking who knew?
Call the Herald's son, Call the cops, look at what
we've got? Slice bread? Well, you know, And in twenty years,
there's going to be a thing called television. Mary, so
bat down the fucking hatches. I don't know what I've got, no,
(27:22):
just the fact that doing new things and like my
version like very different. But my version of you know,
like diving in this process was or part of it
was my PhD, where I'm like, everyone's like, what are
you doing that for? You don't need to do that.
I go, yeah, I know, oh no, but I want
to and we'll see how we go. And you know,
(27:43):
and how many people said to me but by the
time you finished, should be sixty one, And I said, yeah,
well I'll be sixty one anyway in five years, so
I'll be sixty one with a PhD or sixty one without.
So it's like it's a silly reason to not learn. Yeah,
And the thing, the thing is that you.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Like you.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I don't know. I know it sounds nath and I
know we say it too much, but like the rate
at which you age or don't age, you know, cognitively, emotionally, physiologic,
like we can mitigate it. We can we can even
turn it around to a degree depending on our starting point.
So I love the fact that you're doing different shit.
(28:25):
I love the fact. I love it when people message
me and I reckon, not because of me, but because
they've taken the initiative. I reckon. At least one hundred
people who listen to the You Project at least have
have begun or even finished a degree. They've started a degree,
anything from undergraduates to PhD. I remember Nicole that we
(28:49):
had on the show that You and that You met
up with. Remember Nicole Winsland. Yep, you know she started,
she did her undergrad degree and then she did honors
and now she's doing a doctorate. And that you know,
part of that was through the support and encouragement. And
she did all the work, she made the decisions, she
did the hard stuff. But you know, now she's a
(29:11):
woman heading towards her fifties who's literally better than she's
ever been, happier or fulfilled, more confident, more knowledgeable, like
and growing like a metaphoric weed. You know, in the
middle of this process that most people would avoid because
they're too old, you.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Know, to use a cliche term, the journey, not the destination,
Like why not do something just because you might be old?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Like I thought to myself, No one I'll walk around
day to day and no one all, well, they will
know because I'll tell them. But if I didn't, no
one would know that I had the skill of playing
the piano one day. But it's like to have something
that relaxes me, like I've never had an interest that
isn't full tilt. Like that feels so good. I'm struggling
(30:03):
with recovery and this is the first thing where I'm
fully engaged and relaxed at the same time.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, yeah, how do you go? How do you and
your ADHD go with something that requires sitting still and
being focused and being because it's a very different type
of demand on your body.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
It is so cognitively overwhelming, and like my hands were aching.
Within two minutes, I was like, oh my god, this
it aches. It aches to press the buttons. And then
five minutes into a little lesson on the app that
I downloaded, I'm learning. I'm looking at music that I
(30:45):
can't read, but I'm getting cuesed for it that occasionally
has finger numbers. So there's finger numbers, there's notes, there's
two lines, there's fucking a line of music for your
right hand and a line of music for your left hand.
And your fingers are numbered one to five, but then
five to one on the other hand, So all of
these calculations as this little thing is playing through when
(31:06):
you're trying to press the right buttons at the right times,
because it hears it when you play it and gives
you a reading that you're getting it right. I was
just like, oh my god, there is a lot happening
here and I don't understand it. But I also am
aware because it was the same with boxing, that as
I do it, it's all falling into my subconscious and one
(31:29):
day it'll just make sense. One day I'll know exactly
what that note is that I'm pressing and which finger
presses it, and I'll be like, oh, I know that now.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Well, think about I don't know whenever. It was about
a year ago when you got your motorbike, right, yeah,
right now. I remember what I remember riding down Sath
Road with you after you'd just got it and you
could ride, but it wasn't your natural habitat you were like,
(32:00):
well of out of ten concentrating. Yeah. I've literally been
riding on the road for forty three years and I
ride seven days a week, and you know, for me,
it's like scratching my nose and I'm riding next um
looking and then you know I rode with you not
that long ago. Yeah, completely different. I mean, you know
you still like time on you know, on the bike.
(32:23):
But yeah, so like so much less effort for such
better performance because it's just it's just doing reps, like
doing reps in the gym, doing reps on the bike,
doing reps on the piano, like doing reps with research
and study. It's like, you can't get good at the
thing you're not doing, So what's the thing that you
need to be doing. And you know, so many people
(32:43):
are reluctant to start because they're bad at it. Well,
of course you're fucking bad at it. You've never done it.
Like embrace being bad because you know. And it's like
how much of I improved as a writer in the
last year zero? How much have you improved? Eighty percent?
(33:05):
Do you know what I mean? And that's the thing is,
you know wherever you start, especially if you're coming from
a lower base like with piano or you know whatever,
Like if you and I got in a boxing ring,
I'm bigger and stronger than you, but you well, you
definitely punched me in the head at least five times.
If I got a hold of you, you'd be fucked.
But do you know what I mean? It's like, yeah,
(33:28):
it's like it's just different. You're starting from a different
spot and that's okay. And whether or not it's building
a business or doing that undergrad degree that we spoke about,
or you know, like creating some kind of online service
or whatever it is, well, of course you're going to
be no good at the start. That's literally how it works.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
The best thing about being shit at something is the
percentage of improvement is massive. I'm like, I'm smashing putting
videos out the first two days because to be an
absolute beginner that's had a piano for twelve hours and
has just learned a bit of one song and could
get it right, I was like, I'll never have that
(34:08):
level of improvement again because once I learn a little bit,
it'll be a long time before people will go, oh,
that's noticeable improvement because you get better and then the
margins of improvement are a lot smaller. It's like doing
chin ups. If you can do four, you've got to
get twenty five percent better to do one more.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, it's funny fun Yeah. Yeah, but even like using
that as an example, how many people have I taught
over the years to do chins who when they started,
like the majority couldn't do a chin. Yeah, so we
just start with hanging, just body weight hold, and some
(34:48):
people couldn't hot. I mean some people literally couldn't hold
their weight for two or three seconds, so we had
to use a band, you know, or they had to
hold for one second and then stay on a bench,
and then eventually three step seconds, then step on a bench,
and then eventually, over time they'd build up to a
minute and then we'd step off a bench and they'd
(35:10):
do an eccentric kind of chin where they're lower their
you know. But over time, the person who couldn't hold
their body weight ends up doing chins. And it's the
same person with the same genetic potential, but now they've
they've done the reps, and their body is not the
same anymore. You know, They've got the same potential, but
they're using more of what they had, you know. So
(35:32):
that it's funny speaking of I'm jumping around a little bit,
but like about learning in general. Right, So there was
a guy that comes in the morning to the cafe
often brings in his kids, and he bought his little
three year old this morning, who was fucking doing laps
of the Hampton's like a maniac. I'm like, yeah, good
(35:54):
luck with him, Champ, and he laughs like great kid. Yeah, yeah,
they're not loving him at I'm like, why is that?
And he goes, ah, you know, like they wanted to
talk to us about Well, He's like when when they're
all sitting, they're meant to be sitting on the floor,
like quiet and paying attention, Like he's not very good
(36:16):
at it. I'm like, well, one, he's a boy. Two
he's fucking three. Of course, It's like, of course he's
bad at that. What do you think? You know, I
think the thing is expecting some people to you know,
I'm probably being I don't know, fucking sexist when I
(36:39):
say this, but I think girls are typically better than
three year old boys at being still and not always.
Of course you probably were a maniac, But I mean
my point is that we all learn differently, and we're
all you know, like we all are suited to different things,
(37:00):
but being able to go oh, well, you know, Tiff
needs to learn to be calm, and maybe she doesn't
maybe Tiff doesn't need to fucking sit still or maybe
maybe you know it's like maybe you do, maybe you don't.
But I think the thing is finding, you know, finding
the thing that for you, you know, where there's joy
(37:21):
and there's growth and there's hopefully there's some fun. But
you know, it could be learning piano, or it could
be bloody figuring out I don't know how to join
the Space program doesn't matter, you know, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I want.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I'm a really motivated self learner. I know that I love.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Like when I did the sketching, I didn't want to
do courses because I uncovered this I don't know disability
to just see things and replicate them. And I was like, well,
I just want to develop whatever that like. I don't
understand what makes that achievable. I don't understand and what
that is. Is it a talent or a skill. But
(38:04):
I don't want to do what someone else says and
gloss over it in you know what I mean? Like,
and I feel like I want to play with the
piano first before want to get some lessons at some point,
but first I just want to play with it and
see what I can figure out myself with obviously online courses,
but jumping around do some YouTube ones do a bit
(38:24):
of an app well?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I think also like people are naturally gifted at things
that you know, like how many how many actors famous
actors have never had an acting lesson? Like more than
people would think, right, Like how many times have I
(38:48):
spoken to an audience and been paid thousands? How many
speaking workshops did I do? Zero?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Did I? You know? Like which, I've written a bunch
of books. I've never done a one hour writing course.
I've never done any speaking training. I've never done any
media training. I worked in radio for twenty years, and
I'm not saying, oh I brilliant. I'm not. But you know,
I don't know that that some training is always is
(39:18):
necessarily going to get the best out of you. Like
for me, I'm very intuitive, instinctive. I think communication is
one of my few gifts. And the way that I
speak and interview and interact and present ideas and information
and stories and do what I'm doing right now, Nobody's
taught me to do that. But also I don't necessarily
(39:39):
think the way that I do it would be the
best way for another person, you know, So it's trying
to figure out. Yeah, I don't know, Like I definitely
think like I went to one of those things, Toastmasters.
Is that what it's called, Yeah, where people go and
they basically it's it's like a group of people who
(39:59):
get together correct me if I'm wrong, TIV. And it's
like people who want to do public speaking not necessarily
become professional speakers, but a few of them do. And
there's a group and you have some kind of mentors
who teach you how to speak in front of a
group of humans. Well, I'm going to tread lightly when
(40:20):
I say I don't know that all of the advice
is amazing. I went to one of these to speak
to the group about me going as a professional speaker
to speak to the group. And so what I did
was I just got up and spoke for maybe twenty
minutes on just general you know, the stuff I talk about,
(40:41):
and then spoke a bit about you know, what I
do and how I do it and why I do
the things the way that I do, which is again
not to say this is how I do it, therefore
you all should be doing what I do at all,
and then just interacted with them and answered questions and
so it was probably forty minutes all up, and they
were like, how do you just get up there and
do That's like saying to me, how do you just
(41:06):
eat your breakfast?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
How do you do that?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I'm like, this is so not hard. There's so many
things that are hard for me. So, you know, I
think it's a mix of For some people, really having
that training and that coaching and that kind of education
is going to be a real asset. But I don't
think everyone all the time. Like one of my best
friends in the world, Greg who you remember, Greg used
(41:30):
to do a bit of editing with us. He plays
about twenty instruments. He's had zero musical lessons, you know,
He's produced albums, singer, songwriter, master musician. Give him any instrument,
he'll play it by tomorrow. But he plays, you know, keyboards,
he plays drums, he plays guitar, he plays bass, he
(41:53):
plays lead, he plays rhythm, he plays like everything, and
nobody taught him, and he's awesome at all of it. Again,
there's not you know, there's not one way. But I
think sometimes there's that creative genius that if you just
lean into that, you might you might pick up bad habits,
but also you might not.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
But there's things if you just get if you just
get it.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
And you don't necessarily understand it, like I didn't just
get boxing. So I find I believe that I am
a really good teacher for beginners because I had to
break that down and really understand it, because I wasn't coordinated.
I had to really work at it and get the
understanding of what it feels like and what do.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
You mean by that?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
And how do I move my body like that? How
do I make this? How do I punch from the shoulder,
or how do I you know? And I think, like
when I was doing that little app and reading the music,
it's like when you have to focus on something new,
you can't focus on the rest. So when you're walking
up onto a stage at toast Masters as a beginner
(42:57):
with a task, they're telling it, they're teaching you out.
Your head's filled with the task. You're thinking about that
you can't connect with an audience. But if people just
get it, like you just get it, so you don't
need to be taught how to interact and meet the
room where it's at.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
And that's the challenge you're right with something like toast Masters.
By the way, I don't think it's bad. I actually
think for the most part it's a good idea and
it gives people a platform and there's a lot of
good to come out of it. But you're right. One
of the challenges is if you want to do a presentation,
you've got to pre prepare. Obviously, then you've got content.
And then with for a lot of people, they've got slides,
(43:37):
you know, or they've got a set presentation. There's this bit,
then this bit. There's ten bits, and bit four comes
after bit three, and bit three comes after bit two,
and you know, and then at the end there's a
conclusion and then there's Q and A. And the problem
is that if you're on part two of your ten
part presentation and the audience are lost, and now you're
(43:59):
in the middle of like a fucking interpersonal catastrophe because
people are looking at their phone and checking their fucking
social media and you don't have the capacity to figure
that out in real time and go, fucking hell, I've
lost the group, but I don't know what to do
because I'm halfway through point two and point three is
(44:21):
next on my slide show. Then not only is that
going to be a disaster for the group, and for you,
it's probably going to fuck your confidence forever. That organization
is never going to get you back to speak to
them because it was terrible. So it's this synergy and
this synthesis of yes, you need content and preparation. But
(44:44):
and it's tough because the only way you can get
that confidence as you the only way you can get
confident in the ring is by being in the ring.
You can fucking shadow box around the lounge room until
you're ninety two, but until some motherfucker hits you on
the gob in the ring, how you like? You know,
it's like, dude, you there are certain skills you cannot
acquire until you're at the cold face, and so you
(45:05):
just got to go there be as well prepped as
you can. But also, you know, try to be mindful
of what's happening in front of you, because if you're
creating disconnection not connection and you don't know it, you're
opening up a world of hurt. Yeah all right, well,
I feel like we've banged on. I'm going to go
(45:26):
and do some work.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I'm going to go and bang some keys.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Are you going to bang some keys? O?
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Hell?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
I'm could you rather than posting every eight minutes. Could
you just could you and go, oh, look, I've got
three new chords. Hey do you reckon? You could just
like once a week put up something and go, okay,
week five, this is what I'm looking like.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I could probably work with that.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
I don't think we need hourly updates on your musical prowess, so.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
I don't want you to miss out.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah no, we're okay, okay, where okay? Where okay? And
then how excited? Will you be? All right? Have a
good day, TIV. Thanks everyone, Thanks
Get a team.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Welcome to another episode of Rob with the Punches podcast.
Thanks for tuning in. We are talking today to Craig Harper.
I'm your host, by the way, TIF Cook.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
If you are.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
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Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'll get a cook, I'll get a Harps. How are
you going very good? Thanks?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
As the fledgling as fucking hell. Every time I open
up Facebook or LinkedIn or That's or fucking Instagram, tif's
got a new a new thing, which usually lasts somewhere
between three hours and three weeks. So at the moment
(01:47):
she's taken up at the ripe young age of forty two,
she's taken up piano.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Play corrections one is forty two yet, so settle down.
May May the first, when you're ready to buy me
my that's when I turned forty two.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
And secondly, the last, the last.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Thing lasted a good decade boxing I stuck out for
more than three hours or three mints.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That definitely was not the last thing.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, you've got it to be telling Harps, you've got
to you've got to give things to go. You just
never know what's going to grab you.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
You know what, I remember when you were going to
be the next Rembrandt. For about eight minutes, you started
sketching sixteen hours a day. That's right, you like, look
at me, look at me. I'm an artist. I'm an artist.
And then all this art's going up on social media.
Everyone's like, you're talented, you're talented now not doing it anymore,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Hard to get It's hard to get started because you
finish a you finish your sketch, and then there's so
much of the shit part of trying to draw something
until it starts to take shape.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
And I'm really, really shit at that part of the process.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah. I also feel like you took up Brazilian jiu
jitsu for about eight minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, that was about eight minutes. That was two weeks,
two weeks for that. But I showed promise. I showed
promise there.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah, good, yep, Yep, you opned a couple of
a couple of gyms for about a month and a half. Yep,
you go that that a good crack.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I learned good lessons there. I learned good lessons things
to figure out what doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
That's my year.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I always say that, it's I call it anti goal setting.
You know, sometimes you've got to do shit or to
figure out what you don't want in your life. Sometimes
when I'm talking to people, I do look like a
train driver today, don't I.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
You just don't get that hat right.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
I'm just adjusting my hat everybody. But I often when
I'm talking to people who you know, they like they
know that they're not where they want to be, but
they don't know where that actually is clearly, you know.
In fact, I had a really big chat on Friday
with somebody who's quite well known to the podcast and
(04:00):
quite well known in general, and it's just obviously not
going to mention too, but yeah, just trying to figure
out like a few things have happened in this person's
life and just things are a bit blah. But it's
really hard when things are blah and you don't know
what the thing that you want is. It's not like
(04:21):
it's not like, oh look I've got to roll up
my sleeves and do all this work. It's like, I
don't even know what the fucking destination that I want is.
I don't know what. I just know it's not here.
So that's that place of not being where you want
to be in the moment, but also not sure where
you want to go. That's probably quite common.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Maybe, yeah, definitely, I reckon it is, and I think
it is hard to get the answer of what we
need and it comes down to try new things like
that was a pretty spare of the moment decision to
whip out and buy it. That was like that happened
in a twelve hours a year?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
People, what you did? So?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I watched well when I was in Tazzy. If I
wind it back, when I was in Tazzy, I was
thinking to myself, I would like I would like a
hobby or an interest that is unrelated to fitness boxing.
Boxing really ticks a big box for me when I'm
competing and when I'm not. It doesn't have that sense
(05:23):
of purpose. And that's what I like about the idea
of a hobby or an interest that has a sense
of purpose, of challenge, of getting better, of a reason
to push through when things are difficult. And I didn't
know what that would look and feel like. And what's
even funnier is about a month ago I got a
new client and he said to me, I could I
(05:46):
could give you piano lessons if you want, randomly out
of nowhere, And I was like, really interested in learning
the piano. And then I watched this movie on Netflix
on Saturday night. I took Saturdays off. Now it's a
new thing. Watched a movie it was about a drummer
and this music teacher reminded me of my boxing coach,
(06:10):
who's quite brutal, probably a ramped up version I'm and
this guy was quite hard and abusive and rough.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
But JK. Simmons, that old ball dude who's the Yeah,
he's a motherfucker And that isn't it?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah? Yeah? Great? I really And by the end of
the movie I was just loving it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But and I guess because I saw my boxing coach
in that film, and then maybe it shifted my relationship
with the idea.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Of learning music. And so by the next day I
was out.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I'd done a hard dive research into pianos and went
out and bought myself a digital piano and I'm playing it.
I'm playing that bad boy. I just played something like
what is It Someone You Love? By Lewis Capaldi. I
just learned that today, just saying but can you read music?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
No? But I'm only no, I cannot.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
There's But you know what the great thing is, I've
gone out chat GPT had gave me the ability to
actually learn what I need in a piano because I
was like, oh, I We'll just go buy keyboard for
fifty bucks. Once I started asking questions in chat GBT,
I've got heaps of clarity about what's important, what do
I need, what should I look for? How much am
(07:21):
I going to spend so I've got the right piece
of equipment.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And then there's apps that teach.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
You, you know, how to you can play along with
them and they give you lessons, and so I'll learned
to read music along the way. And in the interim
you can kind of just google different songs that you
can learn to play, just so that you can play
something that you don't not just doing boring scales or
trying to bang the right key at the right time.
It's really fun. I wanted to, you know. And I
(07:49):
also and punched into chat GPT what are all the
benefits because this is the stuff I'll fall back on too.
How good it is for your brain, how good it
is for your mind creativity, like your ability, So it's
all those transferrable skills. It's like, well, I got frustrated
and I decided to put work boundaries in because I
(08:11):
feel like my creativity is stifled because I don't have
time and I'm you know, all of that jazz and well,
now I can do a hobby that cultivates creativity and
that will come in handy with what I do.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
So it's all that cool stuff.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It's amazing we're using. I think it's the left hemisphere
of your brain as logic right as creative, so you
kind of and if you're not, I mean you're pretty creative.
I'm quite creative. I reckon I'm a bit of an
anomaly because I'm probably more creative than logical, but not
(08:47):
maybe even Stephen. But I'm not really cut out for academia,
which is hilarious for somebody to doing the shit that
I'm doing. But when you told me you were doing that,
I was thinking apart from the fact that you're learning music,
which is I love music, I mean I learned. I've
still got three guitars. I've still got a guitar that
(09:08):
just sits at the end of my bed in my bedroom,
and I still pick it up once a week and
fuck around with it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
But I learned my band.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, I could fuck everyone's going to flock to see
you and me out of tune, just wailing on like
fucking cats. But there's something very for me anyway, very
therapeutic about like I learned guitar for about ten years,
and I'm still like I can play. I'm not a
(09:35):
brilliant guitarist, but I can pick up a guitar after
I can not touch a guitar for two years and
pick up and play something reasonably well. But I'm never
I don't think I've ever even spoken about that on
this show. But there's something that happens to your nervous
system and your brain and depending on you know what
kind of music you're playing. You know, your heart rate
(09:58):
and your blood pressure and all that great shit, when
when you just get lost a little bit, and the
more that you play, the less you're using your mind,
so to speak, and the more it becomes just an
autonomous process where you know, like you drive somewhere and
you get this somewhere. You get to somewhere and you
can't remember turning on indicators or pushing in the clutch
(10:21):
or change it or depending on what kind of guy
you drive, but like you just get there without thinking
too much because it's something that you do naturally. And
it's like that with music too. You just get into
that place without having to focus on where do I
put my fingers, where do I put my fingers. Next,
how do I strum this? How do I hold this string?
Or how do I hit this? You know this sharp
(10:42):
key and this minor key on the piano or whatever
it is. You know, So what how did you figure
out what kind of So it's an electric piano, So
it's a keyboard on a stand kind of right.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, So there's there's electric pianos or digital piano as
they call them, and you can so basically, and what
I was looking for was an eighty eight key digital
piano that had weighted keys, which replicate a real piano.
So key A lot of keyboards will either have soft
touch keys.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
And then playing it feels like a piano. Yeah yeah,
and what okay, did you buy a new did you
buy a secondhand wedge buy? How much did it cost?
I mean, these are the things everyone wants to know.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I did a little hunt on marketplace. That's where I started.
So I started just looking at keyboards. I was like, sweet,
there's a fifty dollar keyboard up in Corfield. I'll go
grab that tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
And then I.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Started asking questions.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Then I just started doing comparisons on the types that
I found in marketplace, asking chat GPT to give me comparison,
does these great breakdowns, giving me graphs and what's better
and why and who should buy this particular model. And
that's kind of where I landed with the research. And
then I found the one that I wanted, which was
(11:58):
a role in FP. They're about five six hundred dollars
for one with a stand second hand, and I just
reached out to a bunch of people, basically the first
one that could say yes to me. I was about
to pick that bad boy up and is in good Nick,
It's in great Nick, It's in great what's funny with pianos?
(12:18):
A lot of people seem to there must be it
must be a thing. I went to pick it up
and this chick had a garage full of pianos, and
one of the other guys I was inquiring with I
could tell that he had several pianos listed as well. So, yeah,
it must be a weird thing where they just don't
buy and sell pianos and make a fortune.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Oh really, yeah, I wonder how, and so what do
they retail at those.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I think I've got lots of numbers in my head.
I think that you can get a stand and like
the package I got which was on a stand with
a stool. Then you get it for about just under
a thousand, and.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
What do you pay it?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And I paid six hundred.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Oh good, it's good. Good.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Well, we will be the audience and I will be
checking in in about a month just to see how
the musical. Of course it will be flourishing, it'll be
playing dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You might all be buying tickets to my concert by then.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I can't you and Lewis Capaldi just doing a team effort,
at joint effort.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
To contact him. How good is he?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I love him? And people don't know him. Yeah, he's
just like I'm sure a lot of our but some
of our older audience might not know. But he what's that?
What's his mental issue? Like he suffers from direct and
also like real anxiety and stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
In fact, they've got a Netflix documentary on him that's
worth working.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Watched it. Yeah, And sometimes like there's been a few
times where he kind of freezes or loses a bit
on stage and the audience sings for him and they
love him so much.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's so good. That gives me goosebumps thinking of that.
That was the most powerful that went viral that clip
where he just kind of froze and forgot is what
I couldn't couldn't sing and the whole like millions of
put them well, I don't know thousands of people at
least just.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Seeing thousands of that. And but how I mean, how
gifted is he? How great is his music? How great
it is, and how much of a natural is he?
Like like it goes to show you like his and
I mean with this full I mean this with respect.
He's like almost the anti hero because he doesn't give
(14:41):
a fuck. Like there's no image, there's no makeup, there's
no you know how everybody's like manicured within an inch
of their life. Yeah, like just walking out t shirt pants,
just hanging out, talking shit, laughing. Yeah. So I love that.
Just a musical prodigy, Isn't it good?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Now? How with you know, the way Netflix and documentaries
and that have gone that we actually get access to
seeing the reality behind the scenes that everyone struggles and
some people didn't start off, you know, like Ed Sheeran,
how not talented he was to begin with, and you
just go, oh, wow, that might be me, Harps.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That's what I'm saying, bro.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
That could be you. You could be the latest fucking
musical prodigy, the latest blooming musical. No, I think prodigy
is somebody that's young. You actually, well, no, what I
mean is generally when someone talks about a prodigy, a
musical or sporting prodigy, it's somebody that's very young. Now,
I'm I'm not saying that you're not going to be,
you know, the next big thing. I'm fully expecting that
(15:45):
you are good good, I'm not holding my breath. But
at the same time, but you don't like that, I
mean you, You and I have spoken about this, maybe
once on air, but a few times off. Fair Like
the thing that I've I've always been I've wanted to
(16:05):
do but never been brave enough to do is comedy, right, because,
by the way, everyone, I don't think I'm fucking hilarious
at all, right, but I've been told many many times
by people, you should do some comedy because you're a
bit amusing, right. And when I do my gigs, when
I do workshops or keys, you know, you're literally in
front of an audience. But the beauty of that, the
beauty of that environment is nobody's there going all right, Well,
(16:29):
it's your job to be funny. Because there's no expectation
or pressure for me to be funny. Then it allows
me to be funny and tell a funny story, or
be inappropriate or do something fucking stupid. But the few times,
probably honestly more than a few times where I've been whatever, inappropriate, funny,
(16:49):
and all of a sudden you look up and there's, however,
many people, like a whole room of people laughing at
some shit you just said, Fuck it's fun I'm like, yeah,
I could understand, like where you've got a whole lot
of like a whole room of people. One day at
Deacon when we had about seven hundred, I remember looking up.
I can't even what I've done, told one of my
(17:12):
stupid stories, but I just remember looking and seeing essentially
seven hundred people laughing their asses off and just an
auditorium full of happy faces and smiles, And I thought, fuck,
this is this is like a social narcotic, Like this
could be very addictive, no wonder, no wonder, comedians love
(17:36):
get that, Like I could see how that would be
somewhat mentally and emotionally intoxicating, But I just and it's funny.
All the shit that I've done, you know, like TLLY
Radio podcast standing in front of like, I've done a
live gig in front of four thousand people. I would
rather do a live gig in front of ten thousand
(17:56):
people speaking gig than Hey, Craig, here's seven strangers. You've
got to walk out and be funny for five minutes.
That terrifies me.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I don't know about you, but when I go on
a deep dive learning obsession, I end up going in
so hard that my brain feels absolutely smashed. So I
want to share with you all secret weapon that I
have been trying recently and I love it. It is called
Magic Mind, and I first saw it on my favorite
(18:27):
Instagram account, which is lifelike Charlie. You should definitely go
and follow him. It brings me joy every day. He's
better on this and I was like, well, I'm going
to try that too. It is this tiny, little green
shot and it's got lines, maine, mushrooms, vitamins, c d ashwaganda,
all of the good stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Pretty much.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You might call it rocket fuel for overachievers. Best part
don't have to open six different bottles to get everything,
because that's what makes me not take things. Just pop
it out of the fridge. Jack it down the hatch
and boom ready for the day. Anyway, I love it.
I reckon you should give it a shot, and so
what I did there, give.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It a shot. Link will be a tool in my
show notes. Have a look.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
It is the most it'd have to be the most
resilient type of art performing artist. I remember, I feel
pretty recently. I think it was Geraldine Hickey. I think
she's quite funny. She's a really good comedian. I've seen
her a couple of times live and I must have
seen a real of hers that was from way back,
and it was quite clunky and kind of reminds you that, Yeah,
(19:32):
even the best comedians, they start out because it's all
in the delivery and the like. Sometimes you pick apart
what they say and it's just in their mannerisms and
their delivery, which is what they have to perfect. And
you can't perfect that at home, writing it down and practicing.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
In the mirror.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
You have to do that in front of people. It's
really just a test of resilience.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Ah, yeah, I don't have it. I'm too scared. It's
like I like to some times think I'm a fucking
alpha male warrior. I'm definitely not I'm a big baby.
But you know who's brilliant at what you're talking about?
From there are many but Carl Baron.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Oh and because like some of the shit he says,
it's just like it's four out of ten funny, but
his face and his timing and his body language and
the bullshit he does all that physical comedy with his body,
it's a fifteen.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Out of ten. But then the combination of the reasonably
good kind of content or jokes, but then his delivery
and the way that he does it, like you couldn't
teach someone to do his act, Like if another comedian
did his act, wouldn't be funny.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, yeah, he is so funny. I love him. It's
something about also a lot of really funny comedians like
that they really play on almost like making dumbing themselves down.
So they're really smart people, but often they you know,
they're playing stupid in a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Well, think about all the moving parts in that one.
You've got to have pre prepared content material of course,
but also there's going to be there's going to be
an element in every show, well with good comedians anyway,
where there's ad live, there's interaction, there's some pissed bloke
in the fourth row giving you shit, and then you've
(21:27):
got to navigate him or her, And then you've got
to like not get pissed off, because imagine if you
got angry, like that's going to make everything very unfunny,
and then you've got to deal with that. You've got
to stay on tracks. You've got to not get derailed
for the You know, if you're at say I don't
know the palais, and you're a comedian, there's two thousand
(21:47):
people there and one bloke's being a fucking idiot, you've
got another nineteen hundred and ninety nine that are not
being an idiot. It'd be easy to get derailed depending
on what's going on and trying to navigate all of
that and just be like, tell shit like you've never
told it before it as well, yeah, like imagine how
(22:08):
many times some of them have told those same jokes,
and to bring the right energy where it's like I've
never told this before, but no, you've told that the
last three hundred nights in a row.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah I should give it a crack.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
No, definitely not, but thank you. But what I do
like is I like I like the idea, and I
guess maybe this could. We don't need a theme for shows,
we're just having to talk. But what I love is
that at forty one, let's be honest, forty twoish, at
forty two, wish you are doing something that's brand new.
(22:45):
It's not like, oh, yeah, you used to play piano
and you've had a couple of decades off.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Right, it's very I like that you do seem to
get pretty good at things pretty quick. I mean, you
took up boxing at twenty nine and ended up winning
a whole bunch of professional, well sanctioned fights. Right, it's
not like, you know, and you'd never thrown a punch
in anger, well not in that kind of sense anyway,
(23:12):
until you're almost thirty, which is very late to start
a very high demand, bhusyical full contact sport. And then
I don't know when you started drawing, but the first
time I've known you for a long time before I
saw you draw anything, then I'm like, and it was
fucking brilliant, which is very annoying. So I'm genuinely interested
(23:38):
to see how good you can get playing keyboards before
the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, it's once there's an interest. I am straight down
the rabbit hole, like once I've got an interest in
something I can and like I said before, there's a
mechanism to understand the value beyond so that when I
get annoyed at this or you know, I've got to
practice a certain part of it, I know the other
(24:04):
reasons I'm doing it like it was shit turning up
to boxing are plenty of the time getting punched in
the face and punched in the face, and punching the
face and always feeling the shittest and never thinking you're
good enough and never being fit enough and getting punched
in the face and getting punched in the face because
you're always put in with people better than you, because
that's the point, And so you have to understand your
reasons behind it in order to keep doing it.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And so I.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Feel like I highlighted enough of those to myself in
learning the piano to warrant going out with this bright
idea twelve hours after thinking of it to invest in
a piano.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
But you know, what's a real contradiction with you, and
I'm going to throw you under the bus, But you
know what I'm about to say is true, So you
know you can do this, you can go, fuck, I
just watched a movie about this brilliant musician and this
beautiful kind of this amazing coach who I'm going to
become a musician. So within twenty four hours you go
out and buy a new instrument that never played, do
(25:01):
the research, get the instruments, start playing it, and within
twenty four hours you're posting shit on social media if
you playing the piano, which is fucking hilarious and by
the way, if someone who's never played reasonably impressive. But
if you've got to do a speaking gig in three weeks,
you won't give it any fucking thought until you're driving there,
and then you'll ring me up in a panic, going
(25:24):
I was thinking of doing this. What do you think
about that? I'm like, here's an idea. You've known, you've
had it for fucking six months. Why don't you channel
some of that piano energy on this speaking gig. You've
got like you can be so focused or so completely
a dog with three dicks who's just like out.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Of control, and do you like I have learned that
there's so much of that erraticness that I just need
to accept and find my own way of rain because
I've hated parts of that for a long time and
(26:04):
gotten mad about it and been like I'm just shit,
I'll never I'll never be this or that, And it's like, Okay,
this is a hardwired part of me. There's the part
of this is a blessing. I just need to understand
for me, what's the best way for me to work
around this, what's the best way for me to learn
how to plan or prepare for something? Because I think
(26:25):
I need I think it's that level of enthusiasm and
excitement that actually makes things work when I do do them.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
But what happened, what happens when it like for our listeners,
I think, by the way, and forget the musical destiny,
who of course you're with biggest things and slice bread,
as Mary harpists, whatever the fuck that means? Oh, bigger
than slice bread, because slice bread is huge. What was
in the forties when Mary was grown up? What a
(26:57):
revelation that was? What an innovation that was in the kitchen?
Put away your knife, it's already sliced. Fucking who knew?
Call the Herald's son, Call the cops, look at what
we've got? Slice bread? Well, you know, And in twenty years,
there's going to be a thing called television. Mary, so
bat down the fucking hatches. I don't know what I've got, no,
(27:22):
just the fact that doing new things and like my
version like very different. But my version of you know,
like diving in this process was or part of it
was my PhD, where I'm like, everyone's like, what are
you doing that for? You don't need to do that.
I go, yeah, I know, oh no, but I want
to and we'll see how we go. And you know,
(27:43):
and how many people said to me but by the
time you finished, should be sixty one, And I said, yeah,
well I'll be sixty one anyway in five years, so
I'll be sixty one with a PhD or sixty one without.
So it's like it's a silly reason to not learn. Yeah,
And the thing, the thing is that you.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Like you.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I don't know. I know it sounds nath and I
know we say it too much, but like the rate
at which you age or don't age, you know, cognitively, emotionally, physiologic,
like we can mitigate it. We can we can even
turn it around to a degree depending on our starting point.
So I love the fact that you're doing different shit.
(28:25):
I love the fact. I love it when people message
me and I reckon, not because of me, but because
they've taken the initiative. I reckon. At least one hundred
people who listen to the You Project at least have
have begun or even finished a degree. They've started a degree,
anything from undergraduates to PhD. I remember Nicole that we
(28:49):
had on the show that You and that You met
up with. Remember Nicole Winsland. Yep, you know she started,
she did her undergrad degree and then she did honors
and now she's doing a doctorate. And that you know,
part of that was through the support and encouragement. And
she did all the work, she made the decisions, she
did the hard stuff. But you know, now she's a
(29:11):
woman heading towards her fifties who's literally better than she's
ever been, happier or fulfilled, more confident, more knowledgeable, like
and growing like a metaphoric weed. You know, in the
middle of this process that most people would avoid because
they're too old, you.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Know, to use a cliche term, the journey, not the destination,
Like why not do something just because you might be old?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Like what?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Like I thought to myself, No one I'll walk around
day to day and no one all, well, they will
know because I'll tell them. But if I didn't, no
one would know that I had the skill of playing
the piano one day. But it's like to have something
that relaxes me, like I've never had an interest that
isn't full tilt. Like that feels so good. I'm struggling
(30:03):
with recovery and this is the first thing where I'm
fully engaged and relaxed at the same time.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, yeah, how do you go? How do you and
your ADHD go with something that requires sitting still and
being focused and being because it's a very different type
of demand on your body.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
It is so cognitively overwhelming, and like my hands were aching.
Within two minutes, I was like, oh my god, this
it aches. It aches to press the buttons. And then
five minutes into a little lesson on the app that
I downloaded, I'm learning. I'm looking at music that I
(30:45):
can't read, but I'm getting cuesed for it that occasionally
has finger numbers. So there's finger numbers, there's notes, there's
two lines, there's fucking a line of music for your
right hand and a line of music for your left hand.
And your fingers are numbered one to five, but then
five to one on the other hand, So all of
these calculations as this little thing is playing through when
(31:06):
you're trying to press the right buttons at the right times,
because it hears it when you play it and gives
you a reading that you're getting it right. I was
just like, oh my god, there is a lot happening
here and I don't understand it. But I also am
aware because it was the same with boxing, that as
I do it, it's all falling into my subconscious and one
(31:29):
day it'll just make sense. One day I'll know exactly
what that note is that I'm pressing and which finger
presses it, and I'll be like, oh, I know that now.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Well, think about I don't know whenever. It was about
a year ago when you got your motorbike, right, yeah,
right now. I remember what I remember riding down Sath
Road with you after you'd just got it and you
could ride, but it wasn't your natural habitat you were like,
(32:00):
well of out of ten concentrating. Yeah. I've literally been
riding on the road for forty three years and I
ride seven days a week, and you know, for me,
it's like scratching my nose and I'm riding next um
looking and then you know I rode with you not
that long ago. Yeah, completely different. I mean, you know
you still like time on you know, on the bike.
(32:23):
But yeah, so like so much less effort for such
better performance because it's just it's just doing reps, like
doing reps in the gym, doing reps on the bike,
doing reps on the piano, like doing reps with research
and study. It's like, you can't get good at the
thing you're not doing, So what's the thing that you
need to be doing. And you know, so many people
(32:43):
are reluctant to start because they're bad at it. Well,
of course you're fucking bad at it. You've never done it.
Like embrace being bad because you know. And it's like
how much of I improved as a writer in the
last year zero? How much have you improved? Eighty percent?
(33:05):
Do you know what I mean? And that's the thing is,
you know wherever you start, especially if you're coming from
a lower base like with piano or you know whatever,
Like if you and I got in a boxing ring,
I'm bigger and stronger than you, but you well, you
definitely punched me in the head at least five times.
If I got a hold of you, you'd be fucked.
But do you know what I mean? It's like, yeah,
(33:28):
it's like it's just different. You're starting from a different
spot and that's okay. And whether or not it's building
a business or doing that undergrad degree that we spoke about,
or you know, like creating some kind of online service
or whatever it is, well, of course you're going to
be no good at the start. That's literally how it works.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
The best thing about being shit at something is the
percentage of improvement is massive. I'm like, I'm smashing putting
videos out the first two days because to be an
absolute beginner that's had a piano for twelve hours and
has just learned a bit of one song and could
get it right, I was like, I'll never have that
(34:08):
level of improvement again because once I learn a little bit,
it'll be a long time before people will go, oh,
that's noticeable improvement because you get better and then the
margins of improvement are a lot smaller. It's like doing
chin ups. If you can do four, you've got to
get twenty five percent better to do one more.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, it's funny fun Yeah. Yeah, but even like using
that as an example, how many people have I taught
over the years to do chins who when they started,
like the majority couldn't do a chin. Yeah, so we
just start with hanging, just body weight hold, and some
(34:48):
people couldn't hot. I mean some people literally couldn't hold
their weight for two or three seconds, so we had
to use a band, you know, or they had to
hold for one second and then stay on a bench,
and then eventually three step seconds, then step on a bench,
and then eventually, over time they'd build up to a
minute and then we'd step off a bench and they'd
(35:10):
do an eccentric kind of chin where they're lower their
you know. But over time, the person who couldn't hold
their body weight ends up doing chins. And it's the
same person with the same genetic potential, but now they've
they've done the reps, and their body is not the
same anymore. You know, They've got the same potential, but
they're using more of what they had, you know. So
(35:32):
that it's funny speaking of I'm jumping around a little bit,
but like about learning in general. Right, So there was
a guy that comes in the morning to the cafe
often brings in his kids, and he bought his little
three year old this morning, who was fucking doing laps
of the Hampton's like a maniac. I'm like, yeah, good
(35:54):
luck with him, Champ, and he laughs like great kid. Yeah, yeah,
they're not loving him at I'm like, why is that?
And he goes, ah, you know, like they wanted to
talk to us about Well, He's like when when they're
all sitting, they're meant to be sitting on the floor,
like quiet and paying attention, Like he's not very good
(36:16):
at it. I'm like, well, one, he's a boy. Two
he's fucking three. Of course, It's like, of course he's
bad at that. What do you think? You know, I
think the thing is expecting some people to you know,
I'm probably being I don't know, fucking sexist when I
(36:39):
say this, but I think girls are typically better than
three year old boys at being still and not always.
Of course you probably were a maniac, But I mean
my point is that we all learn differently, and we're
all you know, like we all are suited to different things,
(37:00):
but being able to go oh, well, you know, Tiff
needs to learn to be calm, and maybe she doesn't
maybe Tiff doesn't need to fucking sit still or maybe
maybe you know it's like maybe you do, maybe you don't.
But I think the thing is finding, you know, finding
the thing that for you, you know, where there's joy
(37:21):
and there's growth and there's hopefully there's some fun. But
you know, it could be learning piano, or it could
be bloody figuring out I don't know how to join
the Space program doesn't matter, you know, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I want.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I'm a really motivated self learner. I know that I love.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Like when I did the sketching, I didn't want to
do courses because I uncovered this I don't know disability
to just see things and replicate them. And I was like, well,
I just want to develop whatever that like. I don't
understand what makes that achievable. I don't understand and what
that is. Is it a talent or a skill. But
(38:04):
I don't want to do what someone else says and
gloss over it in you know what I mean? Like,
and I feel like I want to play with the
piano first before want to get some lessons at some point,
but first I just want to play with it and
see what I can figure out myself with obviously online courses,
but jumping around do some YouTube ones do a bit
(38:24):
of an app well?
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I think also like people are naturally gifted at things
that you know, like how many how many actors famous
actors have never had an acting lesson? Like more than
people would think, right, Like how many times have I
(38:48):
spoken to an audience and been paid thousands? How many
speaking workshops did I do? Zero?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Did I? You know? Like which, I've written a bunch
of books. I've never done a one hour writing course.
I've never done any speaking training. I've never done any
media training. I worked in radio for twenty years, and
I'm not saying, oh I brilliant. I'm not. But you know,
I don't know that that some training is always is
(39:18):
necessarily going to get the best out of you. Like
for me, I'm very intuitive, instinctive. I think communication is
one of my few gifts. And the way that I
speak and interview and interact and present ideas and information
and stories and do what I'm doing right now, Nobody's
taught me to do that. But also I don't necessarily
(39:39):
think the way that I do it would be the
best way for another person, you know, So it's trying
to figure out. Yeah, I don't know, Like I definitely
think like I went to one of those things, Toastmasters.
Is that what it's called, Yeah, where people go and
they basically it's it's like a group of people who
(39:59):
get together correct me if I'm wrong, TIV. And it's
like people who want to do public speaking not necessarily
become professional speakers, but a few of them do. And
there's a group and you have some kind of mentors
who teach you how to speak in front of a
group of humans. Well, I'm going to tread lightly when
(40:20):
I say I don't know that all of the advice
is amazing. I went to one of these to speak
to the group about me going as a professional speaker
to speak to the group. And so what I did
was I just got up and spoke for maybe twenty
minutes on just general you know, the stuff I talk about,
(40:41):
and then spoke a bit about you know, what I
do and how I do it and why I do
the things the way that I do, which is again
not to say this is how I do it, therefore
you all should be doing what I do at all,
and then just interacted with them and answered questions and
so it was probably forty minutes all up, and they
were like, how do you just get up there and
do That's like saying to me, how do you just
(41:06):
eat your breakfast?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
How do you do that?
Speaker 3 (41:09):
I'm like, this is so not hard. There's so many
things that are hard for me. So, you know, I
think it's a mix of For some people, really having
that training and that coaching and that kind of education
is going to be a real asset. But I don't
think everyone all the time. Like one of my best
friends in the world, Greg who you remember, Greg used
(41:30):
to do a bit of editing with us. He plays
about twenty instruments. He's had zero musical lessons, you know,
He's produced albums, singer, songwriter, master musician. Give him any instrument,
he'll play it by tomorrow. But he plays, you know, keyboards,
he plays drums, he plays guitar, he plays bass, he
(41:53):
plays lead, he plays rhythm, he plays like everything, and
nobody taught him, and he's awesome at all of it. Again,
there's not you know, there's not one way. But I
think sometimes there's that creative genius that if you just
lean into that, you might you might pick up bad habits,
but also you might not.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
But there's things if you just get if you just
get it.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
And you don't necessarily understand it, like I didn't just
get boxing. So I find I believe that I am
a really good teacher for beginners because I had to
break that down and really understand it, because I wasn't coordinated.
I had to really work at it and get the
understanding of what it feels like and what do.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
You mean by that?
Speaker 2 (42:36):
And how do I move my body like that? How
do I make this? How do I punch from the shoulder,
or how do I you know? And I think, like
when I was doing that little app and reading the music,
it's like when you have to focus on something new,
you can't focus on the rest. So when you're walking
up onto a stage at toast Masters as a beginner
(42:57):
with a task, they're telling it, they're teaching you out.
Your head's filled with the task. You're thinking about that
you can't connect with an audience. But if people just
get it, like you just get it, so you don't
need to be taught how to interact and meet the
room where it's at.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
And that's the challenge you're right with something like toast Masters.
By the way, I don't think it's bad. I actually
think for the most part it's a good idea and
it gives people a platform and there's a lot of
good to come out of it. But you're right. One
of the challenges is if you want to do a presentation,
you've got to pre prepare. Obviously, then you've got content.
And then with for a lot of people, they've got slides,
(43:37):
you know, or they've got a set presentation. There's this bit,
then this bit. There's ten bits, and bit four comes
after bit three, and bit three comes after bit two,
and you know, and then at the end there's a
conclusion and then there's Q and A. And the problem
is that if you're on part two of your ten
part presentation and the audience are lost, and now you're
(43:59):
in the middle of like a fucking interpersonal catastrophe because
people are looking at their phone and checking their fucking
social media and you don't have the capacity to figure
that out in real time and go, fucking hell, I've
lost the group, but I don't know what to do
because I'm halfway through point two and point three is
(44:21):
next on my slide show. Then not only is that
going to be a disaster for the group, and for you,
it's probably going to fuck your confidence forever. That organization
is never going to get you back to speak to
them because it was terrible. So it's this synergy and
this synthesis of yes, you need content and preparation. But
(44:44):
and it's tough because the only way you can get
that confidence as you the only way you can get
confident in the ring is by being in the ring.
You can fucking shadow box around the lounge room until
you're ninety two, but until some motherfucker hits you on
the gob in the ring, how you like? You know,
it's like, dude, you there are certain skills you cannot
acquire until you're at the cold face, and so you
(45:05):
just got to go there be as well prepped as
you can. But also, you know, try to be mindful
of what's happening in front of you, because if you're
creating disconnection not connection and you don't know it, you're
opening up a world of hurt. Yeah all right, well,
I feel like we've banged on. I'm going to go
(45:26):
and do some work.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
I'm going to go and bang some keys.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Are you going to bang some keys? O?
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Hell?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
I'm could you rather than posting every eight minutes. Could
you just could you and go, oh, look, I've got
three new chords. Hey do you reckon? You could just
like once a week put up something and go, okay,
week five, this is what I'm looking like.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
I could probably work with that.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
I don't think we need hourly updates on your musical prowess, so.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
I don't want you to miss out.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Yeah no, we're okay, okay, where okay? Where okay? And
then how excited? Will you be? All right? Have a
good day, TIV. Thanks everyone, Thanks
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