Less Estrogen, Less F*$ks to Give... Mastering Menopause | Angela Cousel - 895

Menopause gets a bad rap... and rightly so! But it's not all doom and gloom, in fact, not at all if we can prepare for it and get our bodies thriving at this time of our lives. And as this episode title proudly boasts, with less estrogen comes the wonderful state of less giving a f*$k, which can be quite liberating for us women who have lived our lives giving far too many of them along the way.

So, buckle up as we dive into a topic that doesn’t get nearly enough real talk. Menopause. And who better to guide us through it than Angela Counsel, naturopath, menopause coach, and all-around legend in the space?

Now, menopause isn’t just hot flushes and mood swings like we can often mistakenly believe... it’s a whole-body, whole-life transition, and Angela’s here to tell us why it doesn’t have to be the horror story we’ve been conditioned to expect. In fact, she’s got a whole different perspective.

We get into the nitty-gritty of how hormonal changes impact everything from weight to energy levels to mindset. Angela shares why some women sail through menopause while others hit what feels like a hormonal brick wall, and the surprising role that genetics, lifestyle, and stress play in all of it.

If you’re staring down the barrel of menopause, already in the thick of it, or just want to be better prepared, this episode is packed with insight, practical advice, and a whole lot of real talk.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Get everyone.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome back to the show This is Wrong with the
Punches podcast and I'm your host, Tiv Cook, and today
I am speaking to Angela Counsel, and she is all
about embracing menopause. We're having a big conversation about all
things managing menopause. That is, everything from perimenopause all the

(00:31):
way through and how to actually thrive throughout the process.
So it's a great chat and I hope you enjoy it.
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com dot au. Angela Counsel, Welcome to Roll with the Punches.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Thanks for having me. I'm looking forward to this.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh me too, me too. You might drag some of us,
the people in my world and all the world. I'm
going to be entering soon and maybe I'm dabbling in
the beginnings of it at times. But yeah, the lassies
out there rocketing towards menopause. I thought it was time.

(01:44):
It's been a while since I've had a conversation about that,
so I dug you out, I found you. I thought,
there we go. We haven't spoken to Angelie yet. Your
name come from someone, someone said you should get this
chick on. I can't remember, really can no. I don't
think it was because when they said it, I hadn't

(02:04):
put two and two together and realized that you were
also in the pH three sixty epigenetics community.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
So I don't know. Oh well, obviously my reputation goes
before me.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
So if that person's listening, my apologies for not recalling
who you were, but thank you for tagging you or
dropping your name.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Thank you too.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Do you want to introduce yourself to the listeners? What
do you do? What do you what's your thing? How
do you describe yourself?

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay, well, my thing is metopause. I am a natchpath.
I've been nutchpath now for nearly twenty years, and in
that time I've worked in various women's health with women
with different issues to help women have babies.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Get their cycles back.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
But when I reached this stage of life, I was
really really unprepared, and I was surprised as I thought
I knew all about women's health until I got here,
and all of a sudden, I was experiencing all these
different symptoms because I just thought menopause was hot flushes,
maybe putting on a little bit.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Of way, maybe get a bit cranky. It's so much
more than that.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
And so as I went on a journey and had
to learn what was going on, and yes, I found
the pH three sixty at the same time and started
to work through all of that, I went other women
need to know this, And I then went on a
deep dive to learn as much as I could and
to firstly understand what happens to women as they come

(03:36):
through this stage of life.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
What's changing with their hormones.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Now I understood cycles and all of that and hormones,
but why is that so different when we come through menopause,
And also why is it when we go back and
we look through history that women did this relatively easily,
Like being this stopping your periods, getting to the NUF
your fertility is a natural way of being. That's the

(04:01):
way women are meant to be, So why are we
struggling so much? And that kind of that's where I was,
and that's where I started to learn more and I went, Okay,
this is stuff I need to take to other women
because it could.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Be scary and particularly.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
You know, if I could get women in their thirties
to understand this before they got to perimenopause menopause, I
would love to do that because I think when we're prepared,
it doesn't have to be so bad, because not everybody struggles.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
At this time of life.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
And that was also the thing, is like why are
some people struggling and why are others not?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
And I'm going, well.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Is it because they have a certain diet? And I
was asking older women and they all had different diets,
all different genetics too. I since learned after that it's like, okay,
but why is someone get this symptom? And someone gets
this symptom because we're all different. And that's what makes
it really difficult for women because there is no there's

(04:59):
no single solution because there's no single problem because menopause
in itself is a transition.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's not a problem. It's not a health condition.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
It is a transition as we move from one stage
of life to another, the same as we did when
we came through puberty.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I call it puberty in reverse because really your hormones
are winding back to where they were pre puberty. Just
we're bringing a whole pile more baggage with us that
we didn't have when we were only twelve.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
So that's kind of.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Why I do the work I do and why I'm
in this space, and I solely now work with women
to support them through this time of life, and women
basically women who choose not to be on hit or
who are on hit and want to come off it.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
It's so interesting to me. I was reflecting, just as
you introduce that, how everyone that's working in this space
is kind of coming from the same story as it's
in some way, they were already in a space where
you would assume they have a fair understanding and they're
prepared for them, and the next minute, bam, they're in

(06:02):
the middle of a shit storm and they're like, oh,
this is a thing. As you were saying it, I
was thinking of my last couple of years of how
my own relationship with recovery and training, and like, I've
had some ups and downs where I'm like, Okay, I'm
not the same. Something at some point is starting to shift,

(06:22):
and it's that same question is this hormonal or is
this Have I just been burning the candle a really
long time? Or you know, there ends up so many
questions and boxes to tick, but no one just rolls
out prepared and in this space until they face the fire.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
And then there's women who go through this time of
life with no.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Problems at all.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
And I think we have to be careful of dumping
everything into a menopause bucket, because menopause is kind of
the thing to be talking about at the moment. It's
having a moment, as they say, But when we just say, oh,
I actually just want to clarify. When I say menopause,
I'm also talking perimenopause. So menopause is a transition that starts,

(07:08):
you know, the transition itself generally starts late thirties, early
forties and goes through basically for the rest of your life.
The first ten to thirteen years is kind of the
perimenopause state, so you're still having a cycle. Then you
go for a year without any period, and that is
kind of that's kind of like your late perimenopause. And

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then twelve months after your last period is like the
line in the sand, and that's what they call menopause.
After that, you're postmenopause. So when I'm using the term menopause,
I'm talking about the full transition.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
So where was I?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, so many women don't. They don't understand what's going on.
And if they go to their doctor or someone says, oh,
that's just menopause, that's just normal, that's menopause. If we
keep putting everything into that bucket, we're not looking to
find out what's really going on. Because what's really going
on could be your eye in deficient, that's why you're
really really tired. Your sleep's not you know, you're not

(08:07):
getting a good night sleep because you've got poor sleep habits.
You could have an issue with your thyroid. That's why
you know you're putting on weight, So there could be
something else going on. So we have to be very
careful about not dumping everything into the menopause bucket because
if we just see menopause as a transition, what everyone
else is going on. Yes, hormones are shifting. We need

(08:28):
to look below the hormones to find out exactly what's
going on. The change in hormones impacts every single system
in our body. But the change in hormoness naturally supposed
to happen because we're no longer producing eggs every month,
so we don't need as much estrogen to support an.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Eggs our eggs.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
For those that don't know that when you release an
egg that the progesterone comes from the egg, I'm keeping
it really simple here. So our progesterone levels come up
at the second half of a cycle, and you're not
releasing an egg, your progesterone levels are low, So it's
the first hormone that starts to come down because once
you come into this perimenopause stage is that you're not
releasing eggs every month, so your progesterone levels are lower.

(09:12):
So but that's natural because we no longer are preparing
the body to be pregnant every month. So the body
has backup systems that's designed to take over when the
ovaries stopped producing the hormones and the egg stop producing hormones.
We've got adrenal glands and they produce the hormones as well.
So there is supposed to be a shift in hormones.

(09:35):
But when hormones come down, starts to show. To be honest,
how we haven't been looking after our cells before, How
we've been overworking ourselves. How we've been stressing ourselves because
we've lost that protection of the higher level of hormone.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
Now, all of a sudden, we're getting symptoms because our
adrenal glands can't keep up because we're so.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Stressed doing everything else, living this the twenty first life,
that our drenal glands are going, Oh my god, I
don't have time to produce adrenal hormones as well as
reproductive hormones. I don't need reproductive hormones to stay alive.
I'm only going to focus here on adrenal hormones that
keeps me alive.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
So that's now when we've got these hormonal imbalances going on.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
MAHD the hell. It's not all that bad though, because
we understand that. But when you start to know that
and you learn that, then you go okay. So because
really what happens now it's now your responsibility to look
after your health. You can't be relying on having those
hormones do that. I mean, obviously, yes, you can go
on take bioidentical hormones, but every body system is still

(10:43):
being impacted. And to me, it's a bit of a
you know, it's a bit of a wake up call
for women who really haven't been looking after themselves as
well as they could be because they're so focused on
raising children's, having jobs, running businesses, being partners, all of
that that comes with our busy lifestyles. All of a sudden,

(11:03):
it's like, well, okay, it's time for me to look
after me. And that's one of the key things that
I teach women is how to actually start to look
after themselves again because they haven't for many many they
probably haven't for their entire adult life because they've always
been looking after someone else.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, what is it typical? I suppose there's not typical,
But what are most women when they come to you?
What are they thinking, feeling and expecting the process to
be and then what are they actually getting walked through
and learning?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Okay, so the majority of women that come to work
with me tend to come because they're holding weight. So
they're holding excess weight and doesn't matter what they do,
they can't lose it. And this is very very typical
of women as they come through this stage of life
once again. Because estrogen levels have started to drop. Estygent
actually stores in fact tissue and so when our levels

(12:02):
are starting to drop, my body will hold onto fat
because it's got estrogen sitting in it. And the other
side of that is that this fat that sits around
the belly is all generally cortisol or insulin resistant fat.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
So because women.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Are so stressed, corter sool is putting this fat on
around the belly, which the body won't release because it's
got some estrogen in it. But then we've also got
insulin resistance going on because the women that I work
with tend to be of the genetic type that they
tend to have more insulin resistant, which is why they're
holding onto weight. So they come to me to start

(12:37):
with to lose weight. That's why they come. By the
time they finish doing my program, because I have a
ten week program, they have discovered who they are, they
have got their confidence back, they are now more in
alignment and understanding how their body works. They've got information,
they've got knowledge, and yes, do they lose weight, yep.

(12:58):
But it becomes a secondary thing because now they've got
their health back, they're starting to feel better, they're sleeping better.
Many of them also have body aches and pain, so
that's a big one. Some will have hot flushes, but
body aches and pains and wait are probably the two
biggest ones. And quite a few also have high blood
pressure and are medicated, and also high cholesterol are medicated

(13:19):
on that.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
So and then by the end of the program they're.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Off their medications because we get them back in alignment
and get them understanding who they are and what their
body requires. And many of them, because of their genetic type,
you know, it's for a slower start in the morning,
and many of them go, oh, my god, I just
thought I was lazy, and as I know, that's the

(13:42):
way your body was designed. So all of a sudden
they've been given permission to be themselves. And then when
they are themselves, then their body will respond so quickly
because it's like it's like takes this big side of
you know, breath and goes, oh, finally, finally someone's listening.
So yeah, So they get so much more out of

(14:04):
it than just the weight loss, And the vast majority
will say, yes, I lost some kilos, but that wasn't
what it was all about.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I found out who I was, I.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Got my confidence back, I've got more my ability, my
pain's gone, all of that. So that's really what they
get out of it.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Isn't it fascinating? How like you just imagine And I
imagine some of this comes from the fact that we
don't recognize or feel necessarily the stress that we are
under until we snap or until we come out of
it and go, oh, it was really stressed back then.
But isn't it interesting how resilient we are against that

(14:45):
and how much we have to push until we're wearing it,
until we're confronted with, oh, my body is looking different
and people can see that, and I feel and we
have a whole range of emotions about that totally.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
And this is where women put their worth in the
way they look in the mirror and it's like their
body's been telling them all along. But and I think
this is the thing with menopause, because because hormones are messengers,
they send messages all around to different bodies systems. So
when hormones change, our body changes. And I have so

(15:22):
many womenesses. I just want my twenty year old body back. No, sorry,
that's not going to happen because you can't get your
twenty year old body back because you're not twenty anymore.
I mean maybe plastic surgery. You're good, but you're not
twenty anymore. Because your hormones are no longer the hormones
of a twenty year old.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
There are the hormones.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Of a fifty year old or whatever age you are.
So you've got the age appropriate hormones and your body
is going to respond to that. Does that mean we
all need to be just sitting now butts do nothing
and you know, put on weight. No it doesn't, but
we can become a healthy version of our age. You can,
you know, you can still be mobile. I'm sixty three,

(16:03):
actually realized in six weeks time. I hike, I climbed mountains.
I do all of these things that I couldn't do
in my younger, younger years because now I understand how
my body works. When I first came into menopause, I
had my children late in life. I had my second
and forty five, so I didn't really know about perimenopause.
I was still breastfeeding, so it's like I.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Just thought all about it.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Busy mumming.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
That's right. I just thought that was part of having
two children under the age of three. And I was
feeling terrible. And then as the years went on, and
the weight just started to come on and come on
and come on. And in the past, I would just
go on a kido diet and I would drop the
weight wasn't working anymore, and I'm going, Okay, it's not working.
Why is it not working? And then I'm starting to

(16:48):
look and I put out on twenty four kilos and
didn't matter what I was doing. And then I was
in pain, as which meant I couldn't exercise because the
more I exercised it was taking long run to recover.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
I couldn't sleep because I was in so much pain.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
It was just it was a complete mess with two
young children and running a business. So it was a
complete and utter mess. And then then I discovered personalized
health and then started to make some changes based on
my genetics, and there all of a sudden, it's like
it was like that's the missing piece to the puzzle
because I changed the way I lived my life.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Instead of doing everything.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Early in the morning, I slowed down and moved the
bulk of my intense work to the afternoon and night.
You know, the weight dropped off, the pain disappeared, I
started to sleep again. It's like it's like this big
light bulb. I've been doing everything back to front from
my entire life. But it wasn't until I got to
menopause that basically the curtains opened because I lost the

(17:49):
protection of the.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Hormones and I go, no, this is what my body
really needs.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Because I was living opposite, completely opposite to the way
my body was designed, and I was burning myself out.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I burn out four times.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
I used to run a program about reducing stress for mums.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
I didn't know anything. Now I know what it takes.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
It's like because what I do now, even with the
women I work with is my program. They might think
they're doing weight loss, they might think they're doing all
these things. We're reducing stress. And that's the key of
what I do is I reduce stress on all levels,
the physical, the emotional, the energetic, the spiritual. Because when

(18:32):
we can reduce stress, then our body comes back into
alignment and then we find out who we are and
everything rebalances itself.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
It will do that naturally if we allow it.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
We just have to give it time, and we have
to support it and just listen to what the body wants,
because the body's always telling us. But as women, many
of us have lost connection to our bodies that in
a intuition, we don't have it anymore. When we were
very young, we were basically taught to stop listening to

(19:05):
our intuition. And women very few have in a wisdom
about how their body works, and there are even few
I have any wisdom about how their hormones work, which
I'm out on a mission to change.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
But when we.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Start to know that we don't really need an app,
we don't need a book, we don't need anything to
tell us what we need. We just need to listen
to our bodies. But we need to learn how to
do that first, And it's kind of what I teach
using the tools that I've got and sharing the knowledge
that I've got.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I love that, and I love the utilization of pH
three sixty, which is for listeners. It's the platform that
we use to understand epigenetics and personalization. And I'm very
much the same as like I refer back to that
and then I am always trying to tap in to Okay,

(19:57):
I've made some changes and feeling burned out. I changed
a lot, especially this year, I changed a lot. I'd
stopped boxing for a bit. I'm like, okay, I'm feeling
very wired all the time. It's time to cheer out
a little bit and take steps. And then once I
could come back into those more intense workouts in the
mornings and do it naturally, but do it for shorter times,

(20:21):
and just like it was just it was like, I
feel like me again. But there was there's these stages.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Where I'm going.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I know that I know that this is for my
body type, this is where we're at, but I also
know I've loaded too much up at the moment and
now I'm not responding to it and I've got to
got to recalibrate.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, And I think that's that's the beauty of having
a tool like this and having and having the knowledge,
because you know, there are times when I'm completely out
of alignment with my profile. You know, because I hike
quite often. You know, everyone when I go away, everyone
starts really really early with not great, so great for me,
but I know other things I need to do. But

(21:00):
the time I come back from a hike, I know
that I have to get back into alignment with my
biology because things are starting to change, and you know,
I feel bloated, my energy levels are down, I'm not sleeping,
and as soon as I start having those type of symptoms,
I get hop flushes every so often. So when I
start having those type of symptoms, it's like, Okay, where

(21:21):
am I not in alignment with what my body requires?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
What do I need to do to get back into alignment?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
And generally it is most times for me, it is
about food, making sure that I'm back eating the foods
that nourish my body rather than ones that just kind
of fill a quick gap when I'm stressed.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, yeah, what where else have you found? Or I guess,
who are you looking to when you were learning about
the menopause journey? Who were the people you were referencing?
Where were you getting the knowledge that you were then
bringing back in and integrating with what you know about

(22:02):
personalized health?

Speaker 1 (22:03):
To start with, I was asking other women around me.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
That's where I started.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I was lucky to have some in some networking groups
and groups that I was part of. I had older
women who were who I could see were thriving.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
And I've got a couple of sister and laws.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Who were who are quite a bit older than me,
and they kind of went menopause.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
So I started to ask them a few questions. And
it's hard because women don't talk about menopause a lot.
And it's becoming more of an open conversation now, but
in the past, it was really hard to get people
to talk.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
And I wasn't necessarily talking about menopause.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
I was just kind of looking at the food they
were eating, and you know, one would be a vegetarian,
but the other one would be a media I'm going, yeah,
but it's not the diet. So I just really I
don't think there was anyone specific. I just started, you
know how when all of us when I don't know
when Facebook's listening to you or whatever, but the ra is.
But once you start to be aware of a topic,

(23:04):
all of a sudden, you start to see different things.
So for me, once I started to think about menopause
more and think there's other women going through the same
thing as me, because I spoke to women who were
the same age as me and they were going through
similar things. You know, you know, not knowing what's going on,
feeling confused, feeling overwhelmed. So the more I started to

(23:25):
kind of look, then all of a sudden, different things
came up, you know, in my Facebook feed or I
get invited to different seminars. So just for me, because
of my genetic type, it's all about learning. I just
want to learn, So take in as much knowledge as possible,
reading as many books. Lara Bryden is who's written a

(23:45):
couple of books, I've got to learn a lot from her.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
And I actually when I.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Was back training to be an atropath many many years ago,
I did my clinical hours with Lara, and now Lara's
doing a lot of work in that menopause space. Doctor
Christianne Northrup, and I read her book when I was
once again back studying, and she had a book called
Women's Women's Wisdom something like that, I can't remember that,

(24:10):
and that was just on women's health to start with.
And then she did one on Goddess There's Never Age,
So I read that book, and then she did another
one I think, called The Wisdom of Metapause.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
So I read a lot of her stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I was listening to her and then doctor Aviva Rom
these Christiane Northrop and Aviva Rom are both in the States.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
But once again, when I was studying to be a.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Naturopath, I did a lot of Aviva Rohm's work because
she was an obstetrician, she was also herbalist a naturopath,
so she.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Combined the herbs.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
So I did that with women's health and then started
learning from her as well.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
So there were many.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Different places I was getting my information. I tend for me,
I've always tended to stick towards how can the body
do this naturally? So I was looking at herbs, I
was looking at nutrition as opposed to what medicines can take.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
I know that the body knows how to heal itself.
I have known that my entire life.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I don't know where they came from, because I didn't
grow up with, you know, a family where we're into
natural health or anything like that, and everyone used to
doctors and all of that. But I've always had this
innate knowledge that the body knows what to do, we
just need to give.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
It the tools.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
So that's all I did is I basically just started
to learn from older and wiser women that had done
this before. And the beauty of being the age of
women who are in particularly postmenopause is a wisdom. We

(25:42):
have a wisdom, a wisdom to share with the world.
The world's not ready to hear from all of us yet,
but that doesn't mean that we should stop sharing that wisdom.
And that's you know. I used to have a I
used to publish an online magazine called and unfortunately the
name got hijacked by some orange person over in the States.

(26:06):
But it was called The Marga Woman, and which is
over there. It's now called Make America Great Again. But
Marga in itself the origins of that woman, of that word,
it's ancient word and it comes from magicians, so that
men it was a magician, and for women it was Margaret.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
It means wise women.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
And that's what I wanted was to create a community
of wise women. But unfortunately, as I said, the name
got hijacked, so then I had to kind of take
that word away.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
That's right, And.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Because then people were kind of going, oh, I don't
want anything to do with that, because it's a you
know that, And this was like eight years ago. So
but women have got a wisdom, and older women have
got a wisdom that when we are in alignment with
ourselves on a physical level that emotionally and spiritually, we
can bring that out. And that's what I want women

(27:02):
to find, is to find that in a wisdom and
then show younger women what's possible. I don't want women
to be afraid of menopause, but there's a lot of
fear mungering going on.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
And if I can take the.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Women of my vintage and show them that there's something different,
then what I say to the end of every program
is you've learnt this, and you have to go out
and tell people do this, do this, do this, go
out and share your wisdom, because you've got a wisdom,
you've got.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Knowledge, you've got experience.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Go out and share the wisdom, and then they will
follow you and they'll want to know what did you do?
You know that's you know, the more we can share,
then younger women won't be afraid.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
I don't want women to be afraid, and so I'll
just sick my head in the sand and not this
isn't going to happen.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
It's going to happen. If you've ever had a period,
you're going to go through menopause. Okay, so that's just
a given. You can't avoid it. It doesn't go away.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
You can't medicate your way out of it.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
It is going to happen.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
It's your choice, the journey you're going to take through that,
and how you're going to experience it. It is possible
to thrive in menopause. I know that you choose how
you're going to do that. And there's so many options
these days.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
What implications do you find when working with people who
have already taken and maybe to a degree settled into
either hormone replacement or some form of medication to manage
a set of whatever the symptoms they are experiencing. Is
it harder for you to come back to a baseline

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or manage the natural flow of hormones and health.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Not really, if they've chosen to work with me and
do my program.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
And I have many women who are on HRT when
they come into my program, and they generally come in
because they want to get off the HRT. But if
women don't have to because what I do?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Can I just ask for what reason do women want
to come off HRT?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Some women never really want it to be on it
to start with, but it was a way to deal
with some symptoms. Some just don't want to be on
it long term, and they just everyone has different reasons.
And there's women who can't take HRT for health reasons
you know, DVT so a threat of thrombosis or so

(29:26):
blood clotting or cancer risk. But then there's women who
just choose that they don't want to.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
That they want to do this naturally.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
So, but women do come in to the program, some
of them on HRT, and as I said, some have
blood pressure medications, some are on cholester allowing medication.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
They might be on any medications.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
But because the work I do is about rebalancing their
body and getting it back in alignment through food and
lifestyle choices, it doesn't overly interfere with whatever medications they're taking.
I'm just getting them help. And you know, when it
comes down to it, even if you're taking hormones or
it's called MHT these days, but everyone still calls it HRT.

(30:08):
But if you're still taking hormones, it's not addressing.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Your longevity.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
So it's not getting you healthy, because yes, it might
be improving some symptoms, but that's not going to give
you a long, healthy life even if you continue to
take HRT. If you're not looking at your underlying health.
So if you're taking HRT and drinking a bottle of
wine every night and eating crab food and never moving, well,

(30:40):
you're not healthy, and so that means you're higher risk
then of other diseases, you know, blood pressure, diabetes, cholesterol,
all of that which they leads to heart disease and
all of that. So when women come into my program,
it's about getting the foundations right. And when we get
the foundations right, many go, well, Okay, I'm feeling great.

(31:02):
Now I'd like to come off the HRT. And you
do need to wean off HRT, particularly estrogen. You can't
just stop it because otherwise the symptoms will slap you
back in the face really really fast. But if we've
done that foundational work, the risk of getting all of
those symptoms back again is minor. And if you do,

(31:25):
it's just a little bit as because you've weaned off,
you've come off too quickly. The majority of women basically
just come off the hormones and they are healthy and
vital for the rest of their lives.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Wow, And what's the period of time that most people
take to find themselves in a good place and maybe
be hormone or medication.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Free once they've done my program you're talking about, Yeah,
within a few weeks. I normally recommend it depends. It
does depend on what they're taking, how often they're taking.
Because if some are only just putting a patch on
once a week, well then they could go to a
half dose patch. Some doctors say it's okay to cut
a patch in half, but they've got to do that

(32:07):
with their doctors. So if they're just putting a patch on,
then they may just halve that dose and then you
halve it again and they're down. Some are on gels,
so they just do a lesser gelous, and some are
not doing it every day, so they might just do
it instead of every third day, they'll do it every
fourth day, then every fifth, So only takes a couple
of weeks to wean that off. That's for the hormones,
not other medications. Antidepressants and things like that need to

(32:29):
take longer, but generally it doesn't take long. And if
you've done all the work underneath, like the foundational work,
it becomes a pretty easy thing to do.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
And what does mindset play in all of.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
These massive absolutely massive?

Speaker 1 (32:47):
And that's one of the key things is because as
I said, you know, women come in and they come
in more for the physical. I want to lose weight,
I want to get out of pain, I want to
you know, stop hot flushes.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
So they're talking about the.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Physical, But the mindset is I think even more important.
If you think you're going to have a crappy time
in menopause.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
You will. It's a given.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
If you're going to think this is the worst time
of your life, it will be. But if you can
see menopause as a time of changes, of time of growth,
as a time of opportunity, that all of a sudden
you're now actually seeing what your body needs, and be
grateful that your body's giving you those messages. If you
can see that even through the tough times, and it

(33:35):
can be hard, I've been there. I've been there for
like you know, for nearly two years, I didn't sleep
because it's in so much pain. And I know how
hard that is. I mean, pain is unbearable and it's
like it really brings your mood down. But it's just
remembering every single day, what is my body teaching me here?
What have I got to learn here? So mindset is

(33:56):
like over and above the most important thing of the
whole journe me is seeing this as an opportunity, seeing
menopause as an opportunity to step into the next.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Stage of life.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
And what do you need to be to be healthy
and vital and mobile and to be able to do
live the life that you want. Or you can sit
there going this is crap. I hate it. Worst time
of my life. You know, It's like there's just such
a different energy. And I'm very, very very big on now,
let's just change the mindset. And when I have you know,

(34:30):
I run free workshops every self and I have women
coming in there going this is.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Crap, blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
The first thing I talk about is their mindset. We
need to change that mindset. In my programs, I'm very
much on mindset and having a bigger vision.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
For what is possible, what the potential is.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
So I don't in my pay programs, no one gets
away with negativity for very long. They get they get
invited to reframe very very quickly, because we need to
do that. And yes, we're going to have some crappy days.
There's always going to be crappy days. That's fine. Tomorrow
is the next another day, and let's look forward. What

(35:09):
can I do differently? If my body speaking to me
like this today, what did I do that gave me
that message? What can I do tomorrow that's different to
get a different answer. It's just being curious?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, yeah, how do you How challenging do you find
it to achieve that? I guess even the self talk,
the self narrative of people, Well.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
To join my program, they not anyone can join my program.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
They actually have to apply.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
So yeah, so I am when I run my program,
I only have a relatively small number, and I am
committed to showing up for every single woman that's in
the program to help them get their results that they want.
I expect them to be one hundred percent committed as well.
And when they come to I want to join the program,
and they have to have an interview with me.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
And this is part of the conversation that I have.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
And it's not that you have to get certain you
and be committed to getting results.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
You have to be.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Committed to being open to trying and being curious. And
there are women who are not ready, that are not
ready and they're not there yet, so they can't join
my program. I give them the opportunity to come back
and do it again later. But I work with women
who I can see, even if they're not completely there yet,
who I can see have that potential to get the

(36:31):
result that they want and to be able to adopt
the mindset. And our first couple of calls is all
on mindset. Before we even set a profile up, before
anybody even knows what their food looks like, we talk
about mindset.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, so say you and I. I've applied and we've
just had our conversation, and you're telling me right now, TI,
if you're not ready, what does that look like? And
what do I go away and do.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Well?

Speaker 1 (37:02):
If generally, so, if I have an idea of which
health type they might be, I might give them a
couple of things to take away and try, but generally,
and sometimes I might give them a journaling exercise to do.
It really depends on the individual and what is what's
holding them back. Sometimes for some women it's they've got

(37:24):
a lot of things going on. You know, I've had
women you who've got children, who have cancer, who've got
you know, all these other things going on. I'm going
this just isn't the right time for you, because if
we put this, you do this program. They're doing the
program because they're kind of going, oh, they're looking for
a lifeline, and very much it is. But when they've
got so much more going on in their life doing

(37:48):
a program that's possibly going to change the food they eat,
change the time that they do things, and then they
then have to make a decision between spending time with
a sick child or sick partner, a sick parent, and
looking after themselves. All it's going to do is give
them more stress. And I don't ever want my program
to put more stress on them, So I will say,

(38:10):
this isn't the right time for you. And as I said,
if I know what type they are, I might give
them a couple of simpler things that they can do
that will kind of just keep them going, and say
I put them on a wait list for the next program.
It's like, because it's not doing any service to me
or them, because if they join the program, what will

(38:30):
happen is within two weeks it's too hard and they're out.
And so then they're out of going all that program
didn't work for me. Or they pay and then they
say it doesn't work and they want their money back.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
So that's a real negative energy, so I don't want that.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
So it's really I do it with it from a
place of this isn't the best thing for you right now,
and I say, my next program is running in three
months time, things in your life may have changed, and
then you're going to have that space for yourself to
be able to focus on yourself for ten weeks. But really,
if you're highly stressed and you come to me and

(39:05):
you've got a six million things going on, particularly there
are things that you can't do anything about, and that's
generally around family.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
There is no point in.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Joining a program that you're you're not going to succeed
at because really, I might make money, but you're you're
going to you're not going to be able to do
it because it's going to be too hard, because it's
too stressful.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
I really admire that because understanding that the psychology of yeah,
if I, if I weren't ready and I but I
chose to pay money and do it with some expects
even though I'm not going to adhere to it, I'm
still going to get to the end of it, and
I'll have crossed off what would have one day still
be an incredibly useful resource. But I've just thrown into

(39:51):
the hole and I'm not going to go back to it.
I'm going to go with that that I didn't like it.
It's going to have a negative energy just like you said,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
They're going to think it doesn't work. And you and
I know it works. There is no doubt it works.
And you know even with you know that's one part
of what my program is. But everything else that goes
in my program, I know it works, and I know
that women commit to it. I get one hundred percent
success rate for women who commit to the program. Yes so,

(40:19):
and I want to keep that. If they commit to
the program and they follow their profile and they get
the coaching and ALP, they will get results one hundred percent.
They will get results. I don't want women coming in
who are so stressed that they can't get the results
that they want.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I want them.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
I am invested in them getting results. So it's like yeah,
so for me, it's a hard It is really hard
for me to say no to people. It is really
hard for me to say no people. But it's the
best thing I can do for them is to say
no and give them a little thing to do, and
then if they are really really keen, they.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Will come back.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
And I've had women who've come back and said, thank
you for not letting me do the program then, but
I am ready now.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Love that. That's so good. What are some of the
positive what are some of the some of the things
that people experience afterwards that are unexpected to them or
maybe even are unexpected to you or yourself, Like, what
what do you feel experience or are you capable of
now that you never thought you would correlate with this
or this time of your life?

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Oh for me personally, yeah, I have. I had a
hip replacement done a couple of years ago, six months
after having a hit out of walking out of hospital
having a hit full hit replacement. I was standing on
top of a volcano in Iceland.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
And I could only have done that. Yes, I had
a hip replacement because I was very limited mobility. But
I could only have done that because before I went in,
I was healthy. I knew exactly what my body needed
to recover. I did physio, and I did specific physio,
and I did the training. But I could do that
because I knew what my body needed. I knew, you know,

(42:06):
I knew the right time to exercise. I knew the
right foods to eat, so within six months I was
able to stand on top of that volcano in Iceland.
And hiking Iceland is not an easy, easy hike. It's
a very, very challenging hike. So and I've since done that.
I've done great Ocean road. I've just come back from
New Zealand climbed Roy's Peak, which is you go from

(42:29):
basically zero to one thousand meters in six kilometers. It's
like it just up.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
And we did that in full sunlight because we did
at one o'clock in the afternoon. So that's what I've
been able to achieve.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I've had one woman who joined the program and she
was and I'm not so much into sailing, but she
was a sailor.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
She used to crew on big sail boats.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
And when she was just starting when she joined the program,
and she wanted to lose weight. But her big thing
was she wanted to be on the four deck crew.
Apparently to be on the four deck crew, she had
to weigh a certain amount, but she had to be
strong and she had to be confident. And she sent
me an email not long after the program finished, and

(43:12):
she said, I'm on the four deck crew, and I'm
sailing on Sydney Harbor, which is to.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Be for sailing.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
That's a big thing to be sailing on Sydney Harbor
and on the four deck crew. So she got that
confidence to be able to do that. Yes, she dropped
the weight, but she got the strength, she got the
confidence to be able to be there. So it's like,
you know, for some women, their aim is just to
be able to get down on the ground and play
with their grandkids, or to be able.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
To run around with their grandkids.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I had one woman and she had younger kids. Her
kids were both under ten, and all she wanted to
be they are a family that liked to do things together.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
But she had put on so much weight.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
She lost twenty kilos doing my program, and that was
during COVID. But all she wanted to do was to
be able to run around with her kids. And so
by the end of the program she was on scootering
and she was doing all these things, and they have
these things where they jump on going down sand hills
on a bit of cardboard, so.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
All that type of stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
She could do that with her kids, and so she
was able to enjoy her kids again, and she was.
Then she was also doing exercise with her husband's other
regularly doing boxing or whatever. So you know, sometimes it's
not the big things, climbing mountains and things like that.
Sometimes it's just being able to spend time with kids,
with grandkids, being able to get down in the garden

(44:37):
for someone who loves gardening and be able to get
up and down and you know, not.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
Feel sore afterwards. So it's not always massive things.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
It's just everyone's different as to what is important to them.
But you know, there are so many different things that
women can do that they didn't think they were ever
going to be able to do. Again, you just reminded me.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I don't know if you've seen this video. It was
a real sort of ages ago, and it's this really
old man and he's in his dark little house by himself,
and he starts by picking up picking up, He ends
up his training program picking up petal bell and kind
of leaning one direction like weird. Anyway, it goes on
and on and on, and people walking past and laughing

(45:16):
at him and he's outside doing it, and then it
comes Chris, I've got goosebumps thinking about it.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah, right, I know the one you're talking about, I
do too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
So he gets a Christmas Day comes and he goes
into his family and he picks up the little girl
and holds her up to the Christmas tree and she
puts the star on top and it's off covered in goosebumps.
Now it's so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, And that's that's what it's about. We're all getting older.
You know that's not going to happen, but we can
choose how we get older. And for me, I mean,
I sit and look at my mother.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
Now, my mother.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Has no healthy shoes whatsoever. But she sits in this
little unit with her two dogs, and she barely moves, she.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Doesn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
And she goes, oh, but I've had a hit replacement
twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Say yeah, I've had two and I'm climbing mountains. It's like,
I choose not to live that way. For me, if
I go out falling off the side of a mountain
with hiking boots on, absolutely that's fine by me.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
I want to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I want to be hiking and getting out there and
being in nature and experiencing things as much as they
can for as long as they can, and nothing is
going to stop me doing that. I didn't travel when
I was younger. I went straight from school into a job.
I didn't do that when I was younger. I can
afford to do it now, afford to do it in
a lot more style than I would have when I
was ageen.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
And that's what I want to be able to do.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
I want to be able to get out there. And
I hike with other women somewhere in this late seventies,
and they're out doing these things. It's like, we don't
have to age and sit in a chair and do
nothing and have chronic illness. After chronic illness, it's like,
we can be active. Look you look at the blue zones,

(47:02):
which I'm sure you know.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
You know the blue zones are.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, so there are people who are over one hundred
and they are still out there doing full time jobs there.
They don't actually have that have cars. They walk, you know,
ten kilometers backwards and forwards every day to work and
work in the fields and all of that. And I
was like, and they're doing that and they're almost one hundred.
That's the way I want to be, not necessarily working
in the fields. But you know, and I still want

(47:26):
to drive my car. It's like, that's I don't mobility.
For me, freedom is a very high value of mine
and mobility comes with that. And I knew that with
my hips when I didn't have mobility. And the biggest
thing I found, particularly Iceland, Islam was life changing for
me because what it realized is the only thing that
limits me is what goes on between these two iss Yeah. Yes,

(47:51):
I had some physical things, but it was my mindset
that was limiting me.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
It wasn't the physical.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
I addressed the physical, and I knew at that stage
that I could do anything that I wanted if I
put my mind to it.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
I just had to decide.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
That's what I wanted to do, and that's what I
continue to do every single day.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Yeah. I remember, probably five, five or six years ago,
must have made some cheeky remark to my mum about
whatever crazy thing I wanted to get her into, and
she's like, I'm too old, and I was like, you
don't ever get to say that to me, because my
boxing coach is older than you and we do full
contact hard sparring and I try my very best to

(48:33):
punch him as hard as I can in the face
and he he puts me through the ring. So yeah,
and you know, like he was, he was in his
easily seventies and I'm like, you don't get to pull
the age card.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Nah and with me.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, And I think that was a thing of the past.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
It's like because women.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Did it, they did appear to age faster because they didn't.
They didn't have it.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
They didn't have these opportunities.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Basically they were they're there, they're a mother and the
kids left home. It's like, I've got nothing left and
they just basically seem to shrivel and do nothing as
get invisible. It's like, that's not the life we live now.
We have the opportunity so much to I mean, we're
living in an age where it's possible. I mean people

(49:23):
are women, and people are still working till there's you know,
late sixty seventies.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Is that many of them can't afford to give up work.
But we've got the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
We've got so much more opportunity now to choose whatever.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
It is that we want. An age not to be
a barrier.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah. Yeah, and we've got the privilege of seeing people
do it. Like you just said before, it was just
people having children, raising the family and the home. By
that by the time the kids move out, you have
these huge life transitions, then hormonal transitions, and you just go, well,
this is just what it is to be a woman.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, but we I don't have to be like that,
you know. And there are we you know, you're on Instagram.
You see these older women who were doing amazing things,
you know, and I sit there, I know which genetic
type they are, and I can see why they're doing that.
But you know, you don't have to be doing your
headstands and everything at eighty. It's like, what is it
that you want to do? Is it just getting out

(50:20):
there being in the garden but being mobile? Is it
about going hiking and you know, being in nature? Whatever
it is you can do it. Is it going traveling
to different parts of the world. It doesn't matter what
it is. But age shouldn't limit you. It's like when
I was in New Zealand a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Do you know what a via ferrata is?

Speaker 1 (50:40):
No, so it's very big in Europe. Basically it's like
iron holes that are in a mountain and you climb
up them. And I mean in the past I would
never have done it because I have a thing with heights.
But I went, not, I can do this mindset in
there did it climbing it.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
I was swing bridges. I normally can do swing bridges.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I was swing on these single swing bridges across and
we went up waterfall. We did a single wire across
the water wall and then all these swing bridges. I mean, yes,
we were hooked in and everything. But it's like in
the past, because I have this thing about hikes and
swing bridges, I would never have done that. I said,

(51:21):
I can't do that. That's too hard. I'll be scared.
And they put you on a practice rock first so
that you practice it, and I went, this is the
most fun I have had in such a long time.
I just because I felt strong in my body. I'm
so confident in my body because I have you know,
I trained for the hike. I'm really strong in my

(51:41):
body now. I have no doubts about my body. Now
I can do whatever it is that I choose to do.
And it just felt so good to be, you know,
hanging off this rock, holding onto these things like this
is like it was. It was absolutely amazing because I
wouldn't have done it in the past because my.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Mind would have stopped me.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I just said, no, that's too high, No way I
can climb up the side of a waterfall. No way,
I'm going on a single wire across the front of
a waterfall.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
No way. I wouldn't have done it. But now it's
like why not.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I love that so much.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
And I think that's also part of what metopause can
give you. As our estrogen levels go down, we kind
of get zero care factors about a lot of things,
so other people don't always worry us what they say,
so we kind of give zero fs about what's going on.
And that's actually the side effect of having lower estrogen levels,

(52:37):
because estrogen is like our people pleasing hormone, and when
we don't have quite as much, we're not always quite
as people pleases as we were before. Obviously we have
to put our genetic type on top of that. But yeah,
so it's like, nah, I just I do what I
want now and I enjoy life. But I am really

(52:58):
confident in my body. And that's why I've learned, is
to know that what my body can do.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
And that's what I want women to know, that their
body will do whatever they want so long as they
treat you.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Treat it, you feed it well, you move it, you
exercise it, you.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Live in there.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
I mean I live in an environment that's on ten
acres of land. I've got National Park at the end
of the street. Like I'm surrounded by nature all of
the time. And that's living under the Northern Beaches in Sydney,
which was totally different where everybody was kind of on
top of each other. So you know, living in an
environment where I'm going to thrive. I can do anything,

(53:34):
and anyone can do anything. Is when you understand what
your body wants. Menopause definitely doesn't have to hold you back.
It can be make life like life just opens up.
It just opens up and you get well. I know,
I just have so much more freedom. I mean, my kids,
don't they both live go They live in a state.
I ran away from them, so I moved states away

(53:57):
from men Well, for my youngest, I moved out at home.
Kids sold the house. When we're going to Queensland, you
can stay here, see y, it's all right. They had
six years warning on that one, so they knew what
was going to happen. The oldest had already left, so
I wasn't a probably end with the youngest. She's gone,
oh but I don't want to go to queens and said, fine,

(54:18):
you can stay here, go to any here.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
And we ran away from home.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
So yeah, I love it. I love it. And as
you were talking about that idea of doing feeling so
strong after getting on the wall or doing things that
scare you, I think about that when I take women
who have never done boxing and they throw a punch
and they have this visceral response with oh, I can

(54:44):
use my body and be powerful and strong. We're not
we're used to, I guess conditioning wise, as females were
often we're kept safe, we stay safe, we're nurturing, where
like there's a lot of that conditioning. So then when
we're such a height, it's such a high seeing a
woman throw a punch and look at it and like

(55:04):
that was amazing.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
I'm like, now you're in control.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
No one else is telling you, and it's like you're
in control of your body, and you are always in
control of your body. Even when it feels like you're
out of control because things are changing, know that you
can be back in control again that time. There will
be a transition period the brain's got to rewire itself.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
It's a transition period.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
It's not forever, you know, And even if you do
have times where you think, oh my god, this is
going to you know, this is the worst thing.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
It's going to go on for the.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Rest of my life, it's not most Menopausally, once you
get through that twelve months, life changes.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Honestly, it changes if you want.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
It can be amazing once you get through that transition.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Period of the up and down of perimenopause.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Perimenopause can be rocky, but the more you work on
the foundations of what does your body need with food, movement, sleep,
all of that, When you work on that, it becomes
less over rockiness, and then once you get to post menopause, honestly,
it is the best.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Time of life. It is the best time of life.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
If you had one piece of advice to give people
to help them, what would that one piece of advice be.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Don't see menopause as the worst time of your life.
See it as an opportunity, and that opportunity then allows
you then to look at what options are there and
what options you want to take in control. Don't just
go it's menopause it's my hormones. There's nothing I can
do about it. There is so much you can do

(56:41):
about it. You are in control, your hormones are not
in control. If you see it as an opportunity, it
can be one and you can create whatever it is
that you want.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
Every one of us wants something different. You're great.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
How do people reach out and get involved and hopeful
get through the process of the application with you?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
So my website is called Embracedmenopause dot com dot au.
Also just go there and there's lots of information. I
have a podcast called Menopause Conversations where I share lots
of different information about menopause.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
So that's over there.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Plus I'm on the socials as angela counsel through all
of the socials as well, so pretty easy to find.
Just Google me and you'll find you'll find me there.
And yeah, and I've got lots of free resources out
there as well, so you can you just grab one
of them and then you get on my database and
you'll learn where my next programs are being run.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Go run them three times a year.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
But I'm looking at maybe putting some more in in between,
the smaller ones in between, So I'm just looking at
a few other things at the moment.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Awesome. Well, thanks so much for today it's been it's
actually been awesome.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully your listeners
enjoy it as well.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Hopefully reach out, go give her a follow, check it out.
Be ready, be menopause ready, and you next time.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
See Yah.