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May 2, 2022 • 14 mins

Simon and Suzanne discuss why all the romantic things in the Romantic Things app are gender-neutral, and in the review of romantic things for the episode, Simon reveals the romantic thing he just won't do!

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Suzanne (00:00):
In this episode, we discuss gender neutral, romantic
things, and Simon shares thefirst romantic thing he's
refusing to do

Simon (00:34):
Welcome to the romantic things podcast.
I'm Simon Davison,

Suzanne (00:37):
And I'm Suzanne Davison.

Simon (00:39):
Let's start with the app status.
Uh, we're chasing down the bugs,uh, the Mo too, most probably,
uh, problematic being an issuewith the reminders being off by
an hour.
Um, and the updated subscriptionmechanism isn't working exactly
as expected.
Uh, we're frustratingly close,but development turnaround times
have been long.
So fingers crossed, uh, we'llhave both issues addressed by

(01:00):
the end of the next episode.

Suzanne (01:01):
Got it.
So the app isn't available yet,but we'll be in the app store
soon.

Simon (01:06):
Correct.

Suzanne (01:07):
So Simon, some of the romantic things that are in the
app are gender neutral, right?
So why don't you have just maleand female romantic things.

Simon (01:18):
Okay.
Let's try something as quicklyas you can name all of the
romantic things that men can dofor women.

Suzanne (01:28):
open a door,

Simon (01:31):
Uh, but women can do that for men.

Suzanne (01:33):
Oh.
That only women can do right.
Or only men can do for women.
Exactly.

Simon (01:38):
I mean, if we're talking gender specific, giving, giving
flowers and chocolate, theclassic yeah.
Male giving to a woman gift ofromance.
Right, right.
But what are the others I'm I'vethrough actually looking I've,
I'm inclined to say there arenone.
There are.
Other than that one example,that's been marketed to hell by,

(01:59):
uh, all of the people that arein the love business,
realistically.
Uh, there's no reason that anygender can't do the romantic
gesture.
Yeah.
That's being done for,

Suzanne (02:10):
For so that, so it's good that everything in the app
is gender neutral.

Simon (02:14):
Um, I'd like to think so.
Um, it makes, uh, well, for onething, it makes my life a little
bit easier.
But aside from that, everybody'sit, it's not so much about who
you are being romantic with.
It's the romantic gestureitself.
That's the most important thing

Suzanne (02:29):
Agreed.

Simon (02:30):
Okay.
With that said, let's move on tothis episode, romantic things.

Suzanne (02:35):
Well, I have one more question.
Like how many romantic thingsare in the app.
Like

Simon (02:42):
I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.
Um, we have, we have over 475romantic things in the app.
Okay.
At the moment.
And of those 475, uh, plus about90 or so of them are perfect
things free and zero effort.

Suzanne (03:04):
So you could literally do a romantic thing every day
and still not run out of thingsin the app.

Simon (03:10):
Yeah, absolutely.
For, for a year.
Absolutely.
We actually want there to besome repetition cuz we think
there are some romantic gesturesthat need to be done a little
bit more often than others.
So for example, going to B Bora,that's gonna be a once in a
lifetime event kind of thing.
We don't expect that to happenmore than once if it does.
Fantastic.
Good for you.

(03:31):
Yeah.
Good for you for sure.
Uh, but when it comes to thingslike, uh, as you said earlier,
opening the door for somebody,uh, that's a nice romantic
gesture, uh, that shouldn't bedone once that should be done as
often as possible.
Right.
So, so those kind of gestures orthose romantic things will
surface up a little bit moreoften just because we think they
need to be done more often.

Suzanne (03:50):
Got it.

Simon (03:51):
Okay.
So yeah.
Okay.
So for this episodes, uh, thingswe're gonna start off with one
that was suggested to, and Icame across it, uh, while
looking for some romanticsuggestions for the app and
it's, it's called a progressivetransportation date and it's
similar to a, I don't know ifyou've ever heard of a

(04:12):
progressive dinner date, whereyou start, where you have an
appetizer in one restaurant, youhave, uh, the main course in
another and you have dessert ina third.
Well, this is a slight riff onthat.
And the idea is you, uh, take ataxi to, uh, say the park at
lunchtime, you then take a ride,share to the restaurant for

(04:33):
dinner, and then you take a limoto a baseball game or a football
game or whatever, some other, orsome other event.
Now that it's been surfaced tome as something that I should do
or could potentially do.
I'm deciding that I'm not gonnado this.
I don't, I don't seethis as being romantic.
I could see how some peoplewould like the,

Suzanne (04:55):
Think it depends on how much you're gonna drink in each
one of those areas.
Well, I

Simon (04:58):
Think what it comes down to, I, I guess the amount of
effort for romance in this case,and I don't think there's much
romance happening here.
I think it's more the spectacleof the event than it is about
the partner and being romanticto them.

Suzanne (05:15):
Got it.

Simon (05:16):
Okay.
That make sense.
It does.
Okay.
So as a result, this one, uh, II'm, I'm mixing, I didn't bring
this one to your attention.
I,

Suzanne (05:25):
No, it came up and you're like, I'm not

Simon (05:27):
Gonna do it.
I'm not doing that.
I don't, I don't think that's,

Suzanne (05:29):
I mean, or you could save it for later, right?
Like you can.

Simon (05:32):
Yeah.
I mean, I, maybe one day we'llwe'll need to get to two or
three different locations andit'll be an excuse to have three
different types oftransportation.
But, um, I don't want to go outof my way to set up that
scenario just for the sake ofdoing

Suzanne (05:47):
It.
Okay.
So that seems like that's toomuch effort for you

Simon (05:50):
For, I I'm willing to do something to pay, but like that
the, the right.
Share the taxi and limousine forone day.

Suzanne (05:58):
Well, if you were in San Francisco, that would be
easy to do, but where we're atand that you wouldn't
maybe need to do all of that orsomething.

Simon (06:08):
Yeah.
Well, I, I, but that's the, thedate is the three things.
Okay.
All together.
And I'm not saying you're notworth it.
I think you are worth it.
I just, I just don'tthink it's a particularly
romantic thing to do.
Some people might see theromance in it, but I don't.
I, what do you, I mean, do you,does it sound romantic to you?

(06:30):
Were you like, oh, that soundsCinderella.

Suzanne (06:33):
You didn't mention a carriage or a pumpkin.
Well,

Simon (06:36):
Li limousine that's about his close to carriage as

Suzanne (06:38):
We're getting, um, I just, I guess it would depend on
what events you were doing inbetween each of those rides.

Simon (06:44):
Well, like I said, uh, park dinner game,

Suzanne (06:50):
But if it's a whole day out, that might be romantic.
Okay.
Still refusing to do it.
Yeah.

Simon (06:54):
Tough.
You're not getting it.


Suzanne (06:55):
Still refusing to do it.
Yeah.
Okay.

Simon (06:59):
Okay.
So let's go and move on tonumber two.
Um, so number two is, uh, castshadows artwork by Emily front.
Um, this is, we have, uh, a few,uh, pieces of art, which we
surface up in the app.
And the, the idea is thatcouples decide whether or not
they'd like to add this piece ofart to their, to their collect.
Um, in this case, for those thataren't familiar with the piece,

(07:22):
it shows a man and a womanagainst a wall he's holding her
hand and she's kind of not, notquite returning his gaze.
Um, but there's a it's up litfrom the bottom.
And it, as a result, there's a,it casts long shadows.
Hence the name of the, the titlecast shadows.
It's very striking photo,realistic piece, Suzanne and I
talked about this, um,realistically we've just bought

(07:45):
some, some artwork, so we're notreally in the market for, for,
for new pieces, but I like,

Suzanne (07:52):
It's a cool piece.
I mean, it's,

Simon (07:53):
I, I like to, but you didn't, it, it didn't cool out
to you as much as it did to me.
No,

Suzanne (07:57):
It didn't.

Simon (07:58):
No, I, so what was it about, what was it, what was it
that you didn't like?
I mean, was it because it a bitof a go

Suzanne (08:04):
More the look of on their faces?
It just didn't seem, I don'tknow, like I'm looking for
desire or what, but it didn't, Ididn't seem to have that for me.

Simon (08:12):
Okay.
All right.
Fair enough.
Well, let's move on to numberthree.
Um, number three was a moviesuggestion.
Um, and somehow Suzanneand I haven't Matt actually got
around to watching this movie,but it's the silver linings
playbook, which has been out fora long time now.
And I have no idea what it isthat, about that movie that I

(08:33):
never got around to watching itor wanting to watch it, but

Suzanne (08:37):
Yeah, but we did just watch it, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We just, we had, hadn't gottenit around to watching it.
We haven't, but we have now,

Simon (08:42):
But we have now gotten around to watching it.
It was good.

Suzanne (08:45):
It was really good.

Simon (08:46):
But, um, I, I don't know how much romance and love I saw
it was a very contentiousrelationship.
I mean, yeah, right.
It wasn't, there were, thereweren't many tender moments in
that movie,

Suzanne (08:58):
Right?
Yeah.
But it was, well, it was a lovestory.
It just, yeah.

Simon (09:03):
Pat, pat, Tiffany then to characters.

Suzanne (09:05):
Yeah.
Kind of a, just a darker lovestory.
Yeah.
But I mean, you don't suggestwatching what I would call a
chick flick very often.
So it was chick lick

Simon (09:17):
Maybe it is.
I don't know.

Suzanne (09:19):
Yeah.
Well, I think any love sappythings are probably putting into
the category of a chick lick.

Simon (09:25):
Oh, fair enough.

Suzanne (09:26):
But I mean, I, yeah, you don't actually propose
watching those.
We're usually watching Marvel.
So it was a good change of paceto, to watch something a little
more romantic.

Simon (09:37):
Yeah.
There's always a good time towatch Spiderman.
Right.

Suzanne (09:40):
a good time to watch Spiderman.
That's a love story in the hacktoo.

Simon (09:44):
Exactly.
Right.
Okay.
So let's move on to number four.
Um, which was a question we havethese getting to know you better
questions in the app.
And, uh, this particularquestion is when they're down,
what makes them feel better?
This is a obviously zero effort.
Yeah.
Zero cost

Suzanne (10:01):
Conversation,

Simon (10:02):
Conversation piece.
But it was a question I haven'tactually gotten around to asking
you, so yeah.

Suzanne (10:07):
Yeah.
And, um, yeah, we discussed it,which is good because when you,
when I get down, it, it doestake a little bit to it out of
it.
I, um, I think that you weresurprised by my answer, which
was put on a really sad movieand just cry it seems
counter intuitive.

Simon (10:24):
Uh, but again, I've, I've, I've also heard of people.
If, if they, if they getemotional, I've heard of people
getting in their cars and justgoing for a cry in their cars.
Mm-hmm so, uh, I, Iguess watching a movie and cry,
forcing a cry just seemed,seemed like the same sort of
mechanism.
Just a different riff on it, Iguess.

Suzanne (10:42):
For sure.

Simon (10:44):
All right.
So let's move on to the, thelast question, uh, sorry for the
question.
The last, uh, thing that wecovered, which was a task for
me, which was to the towels intoan exciting shape for Suzanne,
um, and, uh, an exciting shape,an exciting shape

Suzanne (11:06):
Exciting

Simon (11:06):
Shape, an exciting romantic shape as well.
Cause there are, there are manyshapes you can shape.
As, as I learn, there are manyshapes you can shape a towel
into.
Okay.
But only two of them, I would aromantic or exciting

Suzanne (11:20):
okay.

Simon (11:21):
And those are swans and roses.

Suzanne (11:23):
Oh yeah.
And I got swans and I walkedinto the bathroom and the two
swans were in the shower, kindof looking at each other, making
a heart.
And I actually just startedlaughing.

Simon (11:37):
wasn't what I was going for.

Suzanne (11:40):
but the effort was good.
and I just startedlaughing.
Actually I will post a picture,um, with this podcast of my two
swans

Simon (11:51):
That you should

Suzanne (11:52):
Do.
Yeah.
It must have put a lot of effortin to make those, I did those
swans, which when I took my Swandown became like number seven
from raised by wolves became abig snake thing.


Simon (12:06):
Nice reference.
Yeah.
Uh, it it's actuallysurprisingly easy to make those
things.
Uh,

Suzanne (12:13):
Well maybe that's why you see it in all those
romantic, like places that,

Simon (12:17):
Well now I've gotta, I'm gonna learn how to make the rose
as well.
Cause they just seem like niceskills to have.
You could just go to a hotel andmake the, the, the bat out.
Look a little bit nicer for youwhen you come in.
Huh?
Yeah.

Suzanne (12:28):
With me.
So sweet.

Simon (12:29):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm okay.
Right.
So how do we do in this episode?
Uh, what were you leastimpressed with?

Suzanne (12:35):
Well, uh, since I didn't get one, I'm gonna say
that one I didn't evenknow about that one.

Simon (12:41):
Yeah.
And I guess you, it sounds likeyou might have actually wanted
to be taxied ride, she and limoaround

Suzanne (12:48):
It shows effort is what I'm gonna say.
It sounds like I got you hoppedout on that effort.
Um, and then I guess thepicture, I mean, I, we have the
kiss in our bedroom.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that is romantic.
Like if that would've been thepicture that you showed me, then
I would've been like, oh yeah,that's cool.
Yeah.
No, but we've already got it.
Yeah.
We already got it.
But yeah.

(13:08):
So I'm sure there's others, butyeah, my, the swans was my
favorite this week.

Simon (13:13):
This one's

Suzanne (13:14):
Time.

Simon (13:15):
Okay, good.
I, I like, I like this ones too.
Um, that was, uh,

Suzanne (13:19):
It, it was definitely a surprise cuz I walked in and I'm
like, oh my God, what is that?


Simon (13:24):
Yeah.
I, uh, when I heard the laughterI assumed that it was about this
ones.
Yeah,

Suzanne (13:29):
Yeah, yeah.
for sure.

Simon (13:32):
Okay.
Listeners, try some of the subJake's covered in this week's
episode with your partner andlet us know how things go at
romantic things.
App gmail.com.

Suzanne (13:41):
So that's romantic things, app gmail.com.
Exactly.

Simon (13:46):
And don't forget to share if you enjoyed the show and
we'll be back in the nextepisode

Suzanne (13:51):
And don't forget to be romantic.
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