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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, this is 2024
trends in worker safety, so I
think Top five.
Top five.
So I think OSHA put outsomething around September of
2024.
This is not that.
So this is what we havespecifically seen and what we
kind of think might becontributing factors to what
OSHA put out, which was theirmost cited.
So here we go, let's go.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
All right, welcome
back.
Go, let's go there, we go.
All right, welcome back.
It's 2025, it's january and wethought, you know what a great
that we could do would be tojust do a recap let's do some
risk.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, here we go.
Number one risk we saw bar noneneeders absolutely lockout, you
name it.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It's my response,
don't matter whatever that is,
it's like we have a piece ofpaper, but who validated it?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
who created it?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
it's not accurate.
We don't know who created it.
The person who created it andreviewed it.
It didn't have a clue what wasgoing on.
We didn't have the right peopleinvolved, not the correct
stakeholders helping guide us inthat creation is like we have
this document, we check theblock but it means nothing and
we can't use it for anything didyou do the annual lockout
verification?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
yes, how'd you do it?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I dated it intern, an
intern who's never worked in
this industry before it.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's something like
that you got to have people who
know the operation of thatequipment and what it really can
do.
Be the one to help with these.
Even if we write procedures, wedon't do it by ourselves.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Absolutely.
So hang in there.
We gave you just a real quickone, but we're going to give all
of our solutions at the end.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
We're not just going
to leave you kind of wondering
like, okay, that uh.
We're not just going to leaveyou kind of wondering like, okay
, that's great, what do we doabout it?
What's, what's your big idea?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
we'll give them at
the end so here we go, so we're
going to run through these, andthere's some that'll reference
each other, because they just dothey do.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, they tie in.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Some of them do tie
in, yes, any normal job that not
really normal, like outside thebuilding, the tractor running a
lawnmower.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So we have production
and then we have all the
support.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Clearing out snow on
the driveway.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, we have a lot
of support functions that go
into it.
So when I'm thinking likewastewater, rendering truck,
wash truck shop.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Somebody changing out
trash cans maybe?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, maintenance of
the outside grounds.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's right.
Some plants literally have anoutside cruise.
That's all they do.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
We have a phenomenal
job of maybe onboarding
production folks.
We have nothing and noprocedures.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
No training.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
No list of things
that they do.
We haven't evaluated them inany way for hazards or PPE.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
really, oh, we did a
tornado drill.
What about those people?
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We forgot to count
those people.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
They got to go
somewhere.
If they're way over there,where are they going to go
account?
They got to go somewhere.
If they're way over there,where are they gonna go?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
yeah, it can't just
be going the hallway here at the
plant.
And this gets particularlyinteresting when we have
multi-employer work sites or wehave several groups, maybe kind
of sharing a building, or we'renot really sure.
Is that a part of our company?
Well, not really.
Well, that's a different llcover there, or get over.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
This is my spot.
Yeah, I need to take shelteryeah, so there's there.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yeah, that can get
like who is really checking on
those people if we've gotmultiple llcs in one area.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So that's what
happens.
We always see that one personthat seems to be down the hall
doing something.
You find out a few days lateroh, that's a contractor.
Because you don't think aboutit.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
They're not employed
by us.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
But there's no
manager there, there's nobody
managing them, or they actuallyare employed.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So security,
sometimes it's ours.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Absolutely.
Sanitation, sometimes it isSometimes one year.
It is one year, it isn't, orsometimes it's both.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Sometimes we have
folks doing specific job tasks
that might be classified assanitation, but they're actually
employed by us on day shift.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's correct.
So that's the normal jobs, butthe one-offs a little.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Yeah, so think about
the entire property and checking
on some of those support.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
We lost a lot of
knowledge when it came to the
turnover and the people retiringand we didn't capture all the
data yeah I'm gonna change tireson this piece of equipment.
Go to a place.
Say who did it.
Fred did.
Fred worked there for 30 years.
Where's fred?
Now he retired?
Who do you train to change outthe tires?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
right, so we don't
anybody that's coming to us.
We're all thinking when we hirean individual oh, they've got
knowledge they know like I'mhiring for a safety role,
actually actively hiring rightnow, and I'm getting a whole
flood of folks coming to me andthey have safety backgrounds,
but not in food.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
And not for the job
we're looking for.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Yeah, and not
specifically.
You know, got the list ofthings worked in a food plant
extra years, sanitation, PSM,understand refrigeration,
understand all of the detailedand the technical things that
are required from the ag side,the farm side.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
If you're a safety
manager and your job is to write
confined space for a mill andyou never wrote confined space
and been part of it, how can youwrite it?
How can you be the manager ofit?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, so I think the
biggest thing here is just
understanding that we need toreevaluate what our onboarding
options are and what that lookslike, because no one's there 30
years now and gets promotedthrough the rank.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We hire them at that
level now.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Lots of gaps, Lots of
gaps of every two, three years.
We're having some turnover insome of these management roles.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
And the folks that
are coming to us have never
worked in the industry before ittakes them six to eight months
to learn that part.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Then you got an
annual review lockout in the
next year and by the third yearthey're gone.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, and I guess my
thing is, is that if the folks
that are stepping into some ofthose roles don't understand the
equipment, don't understand thecycle, don't understand some of
the PMs and the non-routines,and the sanitation and how we
have to do some of the specificjobs.
There's a lot of risk that'sgoing unchecked there, correct,
and now you compile that with oh, we may have all of our
managers have under a year atthis facility, under a year
(05:54):
within this industry, under ayear, all of my operators for
refrigeration.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Are we in a place
that had three or four months,
nobody knows, or none?
We've had some places with nooperators.
Now, yeah, I mean, we allcontract it now like every five
years is a pha.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
No one was there for
the last, no one was there for
the last compliance audit or thelast mechanical integrity or
some of these, these periodicthings.
So absolutely, we need to maybelook at some baseline
information and got to changeyour, change your onboarding a
little yeah, just check andvalidate we're all, at least on
this specific page, before wemove forward one and third shift
.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So third shift and
the off days like sunday.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
We always do this,
but no one's ever there to see
us always do that yeah, so wehave on routine tasks that we do
and now not normal hours maybeit's not my regular day shift
manager who has the most oh,let's put a new hire on these
shifts yeah, so we've got new,new managers managing it.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And we're not always
the best.
This kind of ties into numberone about the procedure part.
And so, because we don't havethe, this is the most efficient,
effective, safest way.
Here's all the hazards.
And, by the way, here's the PPEissue, where we don't have that
hammered out for a lot of ournon-routines.
Right, and theoretically we mayhave something like a pre-job
hazard analysis, but that onlyworks if you really understand
(07:12):
what the risk is and what how tofix it and sometimes you don't
know till you get into it.
I can tell you there's a lot ofprojects specifically around
this house where I'm like, oh,just do that real quick, and
then I get into it and it takesway longer or she has me do it,
and then it's never way moresteps than I thought and so,
again, you need someone whoreally has a very defined and
clear understanding of some ofthose non-routines to help you
(07:32):
fill out that form, to make sureyou're really capturing
absolutely.
I remember these are opinions,so yep, this is based on what
we've seen over the last 12months all right so seeing
through audits, safetyevaluations, training,
walkthroughs, acquisitions, justyou name it, all the things is
just what we have personallyseen ourselves.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So my fifth one is
the most interesting one.
It's all about the technology.
Yeah, I'm talking about robots,computer screens.
How do you lock out now if thecomputer screen goes down and
you can't lock it out?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, so we did a
while back a couple of episodes
on the robots and the AI comingin and how is that going to work
with safety?
But I think specifically whatwe're seeing is we used to have
some kind of non-regulated,non-psm related management of
change tool, something that wasa checklist.
(08:22):
Yeah, that was like hey, didyou update your emergency maps?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Did you do?
Speaker 1 (08:25):
did you get the
procedure?
Did you do the training?
Did you do the training?
Did you do a PPE evaluation Allthe people that would normally
sign off for something like amanagement of change, for
something that affects theammonia system.
We have that same type ofdocument.
We make any kind of change tomake sure that we're capturing.
Did we do a lockout?
Did we train people on thelockout?
Do we need to make sure thatthe lockout's accessible?
(08:47):
Maybe I need to figure out nowfolks are having to go to an MCC
room or whatever.
We just have to have a methodto capture that.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You can drive a new
forklift with the new computer
systems.
People think there's absolutesto them.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
You could override
them.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So you got to learn
the equipment.
You got to learn the equipment,yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And so that really
ties back into that onboarding
process of we're seeing morerisk than I think we ever have
before because we've got lots ofnew technology.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So is that our
biggest solution of all these?
I think, yeah.
I think all of them tie in toone thing you got to re-look at
your onboarding of the process.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Whatever that looks
like, I think people really have
to, yeah because we've got morerisk than we ever have, because
we've got new folks, new to theindustry.
Don't really understand allthat's involved all the time in
terms of like the utilities andthe maintenance and the
sanitation and the intensifiedcleaning and where they didn't
work five years and then move up, and then move up.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's not there.
So you've got to change that.
Now we've got new equipment.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Maybe we're
installing because of some of
the turnover new equipment.
We're not getting the rightdetails captured in the
procedures, or no procedure atall.
We're not getting the rightdetails captured in the training
, or maybe training at all.
So I think we really got to goback and look at the basic
foundation of our programs andinstead of just yep, I've got a
safety program.
It's kind of peace.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yep, I did angel
lockout yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I came and I'm going
to bring this.
I like this paragraph of myprograms.
I'm a third and now it's amixture of you got to back up
and look at it.
Yep and really make sure weunderstand the jobs, all of them
, the routine and thenon-routine.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Don't do it as a silo
.
Get people involved.
Get people involved.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And then make sure
absolutely the right
stakeholders are involved.
So safety may only be astakeholder in some things.
They may not be the person thatis in that program or those
procedures.
They may just work with and incombination with maintenance,
utilities, production.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Absolutely.
That's what we got today Allright.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well, that's our
opinion.
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